August 28, 2025 • 39 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin discuss whether Jerry Jones' tough negotiating stance ultimately cost him Micah Parsons, explain why the addition of Parsons still won’t be enough for the Green Bay Packers to vault to the top of the NFC North, and tell us why they agree with Jerry when he says the Dallas Cowboys are in a better position moving forward after trading Micah to the Packers.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
The Cowboys trading all pro Michael Parsons to the Packers.
They've agreed to a four year deal. So he got
the deal already one hundred and eighty eight million dollars
and that is going to be of course, including one
hundred and thirty six that'll be guaranteed, which makes it
an average of forty seven million per year Martin, which
will be the highest paid non quarterback in history. And also,
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if you are the Cowboys, they netted to first rounders
for the Cowboys. So just first and foremost, give me
your initial reaction. Kenny Clark and Kenny Clark and Kenny Clark,
no disrespect. Hold on, yeah, Kenny Clark, Kenny Clark, I'm
sitting there driving, you know, heading back this way. Boom,
We get the text. Boom is breaking it's all over
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sports radio. And this has obviously been the conversation since
Rob's been I'm pretty much all I had. I've had,
you know, Rob G's and you and he from and
this has been what folks have been talking about, how
Jerry and Mike are going back and forth, and not
to mention, in the middle of this, he drops America's team,
So the Cowboys are pretty much dominated to Jerry's You
know exactly what he wants the conversation. But Martin, this
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is something that I thought about last week. We had
this conversation when we were discussing and I said, you
just wonder, at a certain point would it backfire on
Jerry the way in which he's always conducted. We go back.
If you watch America's team, you go back to Emmett
had a holdout on the game too. Okay, fine, we
worked that deal out. You go back. Of course, with
some times with Michael Irvin, they had some deal with issues.
(01:50):
They work it out. He loves them. They're part of
the Dallas Hall of Fame and they're just part of
the guys. They're Cowboys. But then you fast forward a
little bit, you get Deack. We know what happened there
now is he's making sixty million. We know what happened
was see d Lamb now with Mike, And I was
telling rob G that I wonder if at a certain point,
especially when it started to get personal, right, you started
to make it like MICA's hurt more than he is
all these out six games. Mike's like, no, it was
(02:10):
four when you say, man, no, we already had deal
going on in the back room of a smoky club
and Vegas kind of vibe. I'm writing the deals on napkins,
that kind of a thing. When Mike's saying, hey, man, no, no, no,
my agent needs to be a part of this. Obviously,
you have to be a part of it. You can't
even make a deal without the CBA. So I was saying, then,
I just wonder at a certain point, doesn't backfire on Jerry,
all the showmanship, all the don't worry about at the
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end of the day, we're gonna get the deal done.
It always works out in my favor. Does it finally backfire?
And to me, I'm looking at this as it does,
because you never want to lose your best player, right,
It's if you lose one of your better Okay, it's
tough on Jay. It's a business. You gotta do what
you gotta do. You can't lose a twenty six year
old best player on your team who's still very much
at his prime and still missed four games and still
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comes back, still get your twelve thirteen sacks. So I
don't want to let that guy go. And I think
it got personal. I think it was. You know, this
is the same guy Michael Parsons Martin who said I
want to be here, I want to be a cowboy.
I don't care about money, want my agent to make
the deal. And I was upset what I'm doing, Fat,
because you want to make sure you get the best
deal you can get. Brother, your agent is, hey, hey, this
is what I'm here for. But at the end of
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the day, now with this trade, Man, I'm wondering if
Man did this back far because I'm looking at it
like this. Jerry Jones, if you watched the America's team
and just from what we know about him, even before
this doc, we know how he wants to win again,
A to just win B and maybe this is a
to say I did it without Jimmy Johnson, Right, I
did it on my own. I know, Barry Switcher, but
that was Jimmy's team. And I look at this as
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a setback in the sense of your defense was already struggling.
Your offense is good when it was at its best,
but now you don't have your defensive player. It's a setback.
And why go all in, Martin, go Why go all
in with Dak? Why go all in with CD just
to not be all in on the team and try
to win it, Because to me, this is a setback.
You just set your team back another year too, because
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you could have done this beforehand and gotten those two
first round earlier and did something with those two first
round picks. So I just wanted this finally backfired on Jerry.
The gambler, gambled wrong in the house won in this case, Michael,
you know, or the Packers because they got who they wanted,
the Packers winning this deal, and they finally Jerry can
look at itself at the mirror and say, I messed
that one up.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
So I think that Jerry looks at this right, you know,
I first of all, I guarantee you. John michol To
tweeted out that they're having an availability at the Star
and at six thirty Central. So just a couple of minutes,
I promise you two things that Jerry Jones will not say,
and well two things he will say. One of them
it won't be with Jesus that he bungled this deal.
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It's not going to be that. The other one he
will say is the last time everybody called me crazy
for trading a star defensive player. I won three super
Bowls herschel Walker, I mean a star star player, a
star player.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Everybody called me crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I won three super Bowls with the herschel Walker trade
to Minnesota and getting all of those picks back.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
He's I think he's gonna be wrong on both.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I don't see that this being This is not the
herschel Walker Hall and the Order of Operations.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
There's no defending it.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
If you're gonna trade Michael Parsons, whether you're gonna sign
Michael Parsons, whatever you're going we're going to do with
Michael Parsons, you should have done it two years ago,
that is. But Jerry's a gambler, right, And if you
are playing poker like me, I bet on games, right,
and I bet on games.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I don't play cards.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I'm not a card shark in that way because one
time that money stolen me playing talk in high school.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And that's the story for another day. But after that
I said, no more card. That is too much.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Right anyway, Jerry can't worry about the hands he's already lost.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
All he's got is the chips that he has in
his hand.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And when Michael Parsons went to go get that second
opinion on his back, which people will say is you know,
he's got a little case of contract itis in his back.
I get that, But Michael Parsons are playing high level
football for what the last ten years minimum, between Penn
State and then you know, khigh school, Penn State and whatever.
There's something in his back that an m RI will
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show that will be like, yeah, he probably he's got something.
He's got too high level football. They can find, they
can find, they will find something, right, And so there
was a real I think what was Jerry was staring
down the pipe of which I don't think he considered,
was the fact that Michael Barton's gonna have a legitimate
reason to both get paid and not play football, which
is something that I don't think I ever crossed the mind.
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That's when those trade calls started happening. You see, the
deal was not hard to negotiate. The deal was agreed
upon right, the deal was pretty much there, and there
were reports all the time that Jerry had offered a deal.
And it's not necessarily this one was kind of I mean,
this recess the market by a lot, but still a
deal that was, you know, relatively within reason.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
The felt like probably could negotiate off of that deal.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But you said something in your opening salvo that Jerry
Jones just completely ignored. He said, your agent said that's
what I'm here for. And Jerry Jones, at every step
of these negotiations has not said I don't want Michael
Parsons to be a cowboy, has not said I did
not offer Michael Parsons a contract, said both these under contract.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And offered him one.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
The issue in this entire time has been the go
between of the agent, which I don't know. A couple
of years ago, Lamar Jackson couldn't get a fully guaranteed deal.
That's because he didn't have an agent. Apparently this time
Michael Parsons can't get a negotiated deal because he does
have an agent. I'm not telling you this is what
I'm saying from now on, I don't care if an
NFL team is complaining about the way an agent is moving.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You're telling me it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Okay, Now, I think that's what it came down to
more than anything. Michael Parsons said he wanted to be there,
said money's not an issue, Jerry Jones, and every time
said I wanted him to be there, the contract's not
the issue. At a certain point in time, Jerry Jones
did not treat Michael Parsions with the business level of
respect of doing this the appropriate way. And that is
the reason why Michael Parsons is a Green Bay packer today.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
And that's where I come back to my point of
if I'm telling you I want to be here, and
we have a great relationship to the tune of me
going at other guys de Marcus Lawrence go good rittings,
you know, Michael jumping out on him like I'm such
a cowboy, and so in trench, I'm talking bad about
guys as they're leaving it. You we don't even get
onto you gang or you're not you gang gang or
you're not And so to me both sides, Jerry takes
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that for granted because Jerry looks at him. It still around.
Twenty five years later, you got Michael Irvan, all these guys,
they love them, they're still around, they have these great relationships.
And I think he just has this thing. Is hekl
Elliott spinning the block? Come on back? Sure? And I
think he just has this thing where because I treat guys,
you know Ryan, we all have this bond that no
matter what, Mike has come out and told me he
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loves it here, that it'll work itself out. But one
thing I just why, I was telling Rob g when
we were talking about this, there's a certain point where
there's disrespect, there's business, and I understand business can be difficult,
and anybody who has an agent, you know, that's why
they're there. Let me do the difficult things. Let me
be the jerk, let me be all that in it.
So you can say, hey, my name Bennett, I ain't
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in it. It's between them. But when you remove that
and then you don't know his relationship with his agent,
and all you keep doing is throwing my agent under
the bat.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Honestly, you can have there are trickles and if you
pay it like, we're way too in the weeds for this.
I'm not expecting the guy driving home from work today
to be necessarily on this. David Mullaghetta is Michael Parson's agent,
and Michaeh has not afraid to say things. Michael Parsons,
by any stretch, has complimented his agent several times for
the record setting deals he's gotten. Yep, he has shown
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that is obviously the same level of support for his
agent that he does for the Cowboys type of thing.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
But Michael Parsons is the type of guy.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
If he feels like you're in his corner, he's going
to ride for you in public.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
You can tell that's him, right, That's just him at
his course. So when when you're going at me, oh man,
I mean he could just get hit by a train. WHOA, Okay,
that's weird. Oh yeah, I mean he missed six games anyway. WHOA?
First off, I didn't because now that's the type of stuff.
You know this, you've been covering sports. If I'm nothing else,
I'm at least all in right. I'm here, I'm giving
my best. And when you start making like I'm not
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here in my availability, I don't know. I mean, he
can get hit by tr he's not even there. You
start to question that, and then you throw my agent,
who I have a relationship where then personal and professionally,
I think that was the thing for Mike was like, nah,
I'm willing to move on there. And then he started
to do the scoring XT, you know, scoring x and
start taking scrubbing Boo off the post social media post
and doing all that. And so now we find ourselves
in this situation. And again I think, if you're Dak
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Prescott to me, I'm the one sitting here like, yo, man,
the pressure's on me because you we're gonna say this.
Me and Martin are gonna talk about this for the
next two hours and forty five minutes, and then you
got the next show. It's gonna come on the next show,
and then tomorrow morning. Everybody, you know, the even a
Smith's gonna have a field day with it and all
this stuff. Jerry's not going anywhere. I'm the owner. We've
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loved him, we've hated, and we've laughed, we congratulated, doesn't matter.
He's the owner. Dak Prescott's the one who's gonna have
to sit here and say he's that good. Why can't
he get it? Done. Why can't he do this? And
this season maybe his offense good and his defens isn't.
We just saw that with Joe bra I'm not saying
it's gonna be that efficient, but my point is to me,
I'm the one that has to me be the podium
king as the quarterback, you know what I mean. And
now my team keeps being handicapped, if you will, and
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I got to be the one to sit there and
be a part of it.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Now my reputation, you would think that in any other organization,
the podium king is generally the quarterback. Not in Dallas,
the podium king is actually outside the podium on the scrum,
as Clarence Hill and everybody else is holding the microphone
in front of Jerry as he's holding court outside the
locker room. The thing about this that you just touched
on is with all of this, Jerry Jones now is
(11:28):
back into He is back in charge. He is he
has cleared the decks of people that are gonna be
because think about who's got who. Just just now again,
I was out on I was in the south of
France the last two weeks, so I make a chance
to get But I have to say I saw Brian
Schottenheimer several times as I'm on a vacation of reading
this at four o'clock in the morning in the water closet,
(11:48):
He's saying, uh uh, you know, you know, I think
Michael Parkson is gonna be here week one. I'm gonna
have a conversation with Michael. He'll be here week one.
Dak Prescott, I'm gonna have a conversation with Michael. We've
been here before. I think Michael will be here week one.
Stephen Jerry Jones, I think on a stephn A Smith,
Michael Lervin something or other said the trade is not happening.
The pressure to me lies squarely on Jerry Jones, because
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Dak Prescott got a no trade clause. He ain't going
nowhere either. Ceedee Limb's cap hit isn't saying he ain't
going nowhere either. The pressure to me is on Jerry Jones.
And the happiest man in Dallas is Nico Harrison.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Man. Let me tell you some Dallas fans going through
it right now.
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Speaker 1 (13:40):
Jerry's been going at it since this thing started about
fifteen minutes ago, and we'll get some sound for the
guys at that in just a minute. But there's another
side of that, and that is the other side is
the Packers gave up a couple of first rounds picks
and that had been on the radar Martin for about
a week or so have been the reports that the
Packers have been interested in getting Micah in his services.
(14:00):
So a couple of reason why this is interesting. One,
the Packers don't like to pay a bunch of money
to free agents.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Okay, ends table in comparison, Okah, because they go ahead,
yes in comparison, yeah yeah, in comparison to other teams,
they don't typically spend like other teams do.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And of course historically they've had a bunch of success,
so you can obviously point, you can say, well, look
we do pretty dog on well doing things our way.
So going to get him another thing that makes us
interesting for the Packers is they're the younger, one of
the youngest teams in the entire NFL, and then they
get a guy who's only twenty six and he's still
just really entering his prime and it can be a
remarkable force for them. So when you're the Packers, you're thinking,
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you got your guys sold up. You got Jordan Love
by the way, signed to the same agent, and now
you got these two guys on the same team. We'll
talk about that a little bit later. You gotta be
feeling good and you're in the division where some people
say it's the Lion Some people say, man, the Vikings
is gonna be right back where they were even with
JJ because the defense is too good. All he has
to do is manage it. Some people hiring the Packers
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some even after Bears being much much better than they
were last year. When you look at that division, to me,
in this new signing of Micah, do I think it
makes it difficult at times for the Lions. Yes, and
that's the team I still feel who is the best
in the division, even with the acquisition of Micah. For
the Packers, I think the Lions, Yes, they lost some
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coordinators big time, that's a big deal. I'm not gonna
belittle that. However, they didn't lose any core of that offense.
They still got Laporter, they still got the running back
combination that has been deadly for now a handful of years.
They still got Williams Jomo, they still got im and
around Saint Brown, who's one of the best safety blankets
in the entire NFL and can still score a bunch
of touchdowns. And I think they also have a Jared
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Goff who was ticked off of how he performed in
the postseason against a rookie, and Jaydon Daniels. So I
still look at Leandrea head coach too, who creates the
the the kind of the mantra, the vibe, the the
ethos of the team. So I still look at the
Lions as the team to beat in that division. Stand
JJ McCarthy. I am not as high on JJ, even
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though from an Ubert Michigan not as high as other
people are. So to me, the Lions, this is yours
to lose. Do I think you go fifteen and two. No,
you may go back a couple of games thirteen or
twelve even but I think it's their division. I think
the packers did what they're supposed to do and trying
to secure it. And also think what they did with
this Martin was say, Jordan Love, we didn't gave you
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the bag. We didn't got arguably one of the best one,
two three defenders in the league. This is your run
to do what your predecessors have done. Brett Favre got
a ring, went to a couple of Super Bowls. Aaron
Rodgers a couple of super Bowls, got one. This is
your run. We got you the money early. We got
a guy on your on your you call like a
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record lay who he's on your your saying an agent,
We've got some young talent around you, who hopefully should
be growing and getting better. This is the run way.
Let's go. And I think they say, now you're in
your run way that we've done with Aaron Rodgers, we
did for Brett Farv you're up.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I think that this is definitely a bet on obviously
a big bet on Jordan Love, which the biggest bet
of Jordan Love was giving him all that money. As
you said, both of these players repped with by David Mulagetta.
So obviously when you have a relationship with an agent Dallas. Jerry,
I know you're talking right now, but when you get off,
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if you catch the podcast, when you have a relationship
with an agent, is easier to get deals done.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
It's football GM in one on one.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
I know you've been there longer, Jerry, but you know,
sometimes fresh eyes can help see a scenario. But for me,
I had real questions about the other. To me, every
team in the NFC North has major questions. And it
was the best division in the NFC last year when
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you look at the top of the teams, and then
even Green Bay when I only won one game in division, but.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
You know, every we'll talk about them, was a pretty
good team.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And then Chicago obviously dumpster fire last year in terms
of coaching and everything else, but promising young rookie and
Kayleb Williams, and you got a head coach in Ben
Johnson who a lot of people are very very high on.
So reasons for you know, optimism in Chicago. Although they
would be like, if you're just looking at the record,
be like why the buy one hundred beers? The Lions
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losing both their coordinators. To me is this is the
most important offseason in Lions history. This has also been
the most prolonged success the Lions have had in thirty years, right,
and this is the first real time where you are
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paying the price for success. So which kind of head
coach is Dan Campbell? Is the answer we are going
to get this season because to me, one of the
things that completely is over i mean under raided in
Kyle Shanahan's career is his ability to both highre and
fire coordinators. Every single year when they were really on
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their hot streak, really on their run, he was losing
passing game coordators, offensive cooridators, defensive coordinators. And it didn't
matter because Shanahan was continued to hire people and he
was like he kept hitting out of the park. And
the one time that they made the mistake at defensive coordinator,
they lost in the Super Bowl in overtime.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Okay, now, did it as a resulted in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
No, But there's a lot of teams Jerry Jones right
now would trade a whole lot to have the success
the forty nine has had in the postseason over the
last five years compared to what he has. Are you
the forty nine ers or are you the Eagles? The
Eagles lost both They went to the Super Bowl, and
everybody says Jalen Hurts had a great game in that game.
He did have a fumble six in the game that
they lost by a touchdown, Right, but they were still
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in the Super Bowl, a team that had a super
Bowl level type of roster. They lose both their coordinators,
fall off a cliff second half of the season, one
and nine get dog walked in the playoffs, losing the
wild card to Tampa, and then all of a sudden boom,
make the right hires again in the.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Super Bowl, win the Super Bowl? Right now?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Forty nine ers had some injury dis reprecies there too.
Lion should have everybody back. What type of coaches, Dan Campbell,
that's the answer that we get right here, because I agree,
fifteen wins, I don't need to see that, But I
need to see a team that is still a top
of the NFC Nord because this roster, to me, is
the best in the NFC North Minnesota too many questions
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at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I went to Michigan.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I was clapping and standing on the table when they
ran the ball for the twenty seventh straight time against
Penn State. You know, oh, I was just so excited
because that's just type of football a that I love
to watch. But also I thought JJ McCarthy put the
ball at risk. I know he didn't throw a lot
of interceptions. Watched the Rose Bowl, Caleb down Shua and Shorter.
That's a pick, Marcus May, that's a pick, right, he
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would just overthrow easy Patty. He just he wasn't that
we're jumping up the tenth to get that guy. I
think that's what was shocking for me.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I think speaking for you too, where nobody say he
can't be a late first round All he did was win,
But the jump up the tenth was like, wait, did
I miss something? Because I swear I thought I saw
just about every pass in his career. Did I miss something?
So we're gonna find out who he is.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
But one of the most interesting to me sliding door
moments in the last sliding door moments where if one
thing went a little differently, the whole league would have
been in a different spot. Aaron Jones ran for like
one fifty something in that wildcard game when Green Bay
was Remember they were the first I believe seven seed,
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the first extra wildcard team to win a playoff game.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
They go into Jerry's world.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
They beat Dallas and Aaron Jones runs all over him.
The Packers let Aaron Jones walk to Minnesota, make Jordan
Love at that point the highest paid quarterback in football.
And Michael Parsons was on that roster for Dallas and
got crushed for being quote unquote invisible in that postseason game,
dak to play terribly as well. Jerry Jones today just
(22:03):
said one of the things that we need to show up,
we need to be able to stop the run.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And I know he's thinking about that game in this moment.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And if you in fact think, if you're Jerry Jones,
and you in fact think that Michael Parsons is not
worth this money, not worth this type of deal, because
even though there's a discrepancy in what he was offered
compared to what like ultimately so there was a big
gap of a five million dollars there, which is pretty significant.
But I again, if there had been like maybe just
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regular negotiations here, who probably could have found a middle ground.
Because Michael was his son advised to stay in doubts,
he said he wanted to stay Jerry. I can't imagine
Jerry's not thinking about those playoff games, thinking about how
Michael Parsons wasn't quite there and if he thinks that
this is a massive overpay, then good job by you,
because the Lions.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Are gonna be really good in this division.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
The Vikings have a great roster and that they hit
on this quarterback and they Kevin O'Connell, depending on how
you you listen to him saying, oh, I love the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You look at the Auf Steason moves.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
He was on the phone with every other quarterback and
seemed so see how it actually plays out. And then
you have the Packers like and then you have the
Bears rather who just hired Ben Johnson and they expect
to have a lot of success. This might be a
team that gets beat up in the division regardless of
what they did well.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
They're gonna get beat up regardless. To me, I've already
told Rob g that I think the Commanders are gonna
be right about the same back.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And know what I'm saying, the Packers might be a
team that get beat up in their division. If everything
the way the NFC North plays out, you might have
got some pretty high first round picks here just in general.
And you know, and I'm not saying I don't think
they're gonna have.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
A terrible year.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
But no, I picked the Packers to be third in
the in the North. Probably still third in the North.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
They're nine and eleven games to me, somewhere around there
between nine and eleven. The thing that I think also
helped Jerry sleep at night tonight is that he can say, well,
look at the other guys who've gotten paid in that
same you know type of position, TJ Watt, Well, TJ.
What have you done for me lately? Oh? That's I
know that's coming today. They haven't done anything in the
(24:00):
sason with TJ. Watt. They haven't won a game eight
nine years. Miles Garrett got all the money, hasn't really
done anything. I know they got one with Joe Flacco.
But point is it's not. Their perennial defense isn't great.
They're always in the postseason. So I think that's one
thing that Jerry Jones, when he hit that melatone in
the night and he sleeps good, he's going to be
able to say, man, I know he's good. I know
(24:20):
he's great. But one defensive end, you know, outside linebacker,
doesn't change the game like this. He ain't Lawrence Taylor,
Max Crosby, Max Crosby spectacular. Everybody wanted him to get
traded last season. Go to it to the Lions, you know,
because they were hurt with a Hutchinson. So I think
that is something he can sell himself and say, great
(24:41):
as these guys are, they're not making that much of
a difference. And those types of guys really only make
a difference when they become kind of the hit man
for hire. And we'll talk about that a little bit
later on. Just some teams that maybe could have jumped
in there as well.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
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Speaker 1 (25:05):
Jerry Jones traded Michael Parsons to the Green Bay Packers
couple of first round UH picks. There, he's getting one
hundred and eighty eight million dollars forty seven annually, one
hundred and thirty six guaranteed the highest paid non quarterback
in history, which, by the way, I mean, how long
is that gonna last? We do that every time somebody
gets it the highest paid non quarterback, then we'll be
doing it again, I don't know Bud because forty like
(25:29):
he's the highest paid nine quarterback by struck by a
look at look at me, look Abdul Carter. In about
two three years, we're gonna be saying the same conversation.
It's you know, it's an absurd amount of money. However,
if I'd have told you this ten to fifteen years ago,
we'd been you know, uh, Khalil Mack money was crazy money, aid, Yeah, yeah, Hutchinson,
he's about to get paid. It was that that's some money.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Now that is an underlying interesting third day of this
topic story, real quick, Aiden Hutchinson is up next. Now,
the guy in your division is the highest paid not
quarterback by a large margin, and they play the same position.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And he was in VP, not defensive. He was in
VP candidate before he got hurt. All right, a couple
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you been wanting to get in. We've been We've had
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so all this news, so we appreciate you hanging out
(26:49):
with us with that. All right, So Mark, let's get
to some sound from Jerry. He had a lot to say.
We haven't had a chance to hear too much. So
here's Jerry Jones on what happened today.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Oh, we have the highest paid player in the NFL
at quarterback, and we made that commitment last year and
we're proud we made it and had everything to do
with this decision. Everything it is. Give us every opportunity
with Dak, Press Good and Lamb and the base that
we've got to win.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Now.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
This gives us a better chance to be a better
team than we have been the last few several years
since Michael's been here. Not any negative on Michael, but
we're trying to get better. We're trying to stop the
run and stay in the hunt.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I don't disagree that. Potentially long term, yes, because obviously
there's a greater sum than just one meeting. You got
all these picks, and then who knows what they do
with the picks, you might get more players. I understand that.
I guess my frustration would be and I'm not a
Cowboy fan, but if I'm a Cowboy fan, if not, now,
then win? How many years do I have to hear? Well,
what this is going to do?
Speaker 7 (27:54):
This?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Well, how you don't even know we're about to do
I got these watch when we do it. My son
is twenty I'm making it up. He's never seen it
NFC Championship game. Sure, my twenty two year old son
has never seen us in the Great America's Team documentary
with him It and Michael Irvan and Troidman at the Triplets,
and I I saw, like I'm telling old fable tales,
(28:15):
wives tales to him, to my son or my daughter.
Is what I think. You know, a true Cowboy fan
can be feeling. So Yes, I understand that if he
were a general manager who had a long amount of
years ahead of him. You know, he's fifty five, and
I've got a whole lot of going on your Brad
Holmes in Detroit. You know we're doing this for the
(28:36):
long term. I understand it, Jerry Man. I mean, like
I said, if you're trying to he's eighty two years old,
and I keep bringing it up, only be saying if
he's trying to win now and he's trying to get
the monkey off his back. To me, you did not
do that giving up your best player team, not just
a really good DEFENSI player, He's the best player on
your team and one of the best in the league.
And so doing that to me just set you back,
and you just don't know what it does to the
(28:57):
team as a whole. Do guys start to kind of
what a.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Lot of guys have said about how they're not they
don't like the leadership, the timeline, not necessarily, I mean
the Twitter or x timeline.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
And they've been saying they're not happy about this because
guys want to win. Because I don't know, man, these
contracts are guaranteed. I'm trying to win now. You just
never know. Maybe this is my last year and I'm
trying to win and you just got rid of the
guy that gave me another chance to win. So yes, Jerry,
I totally hear you. In the long run, maybe just maybe,
but you know what else could have happened. You get
a couple of draft picks in the first round and
(29:29):
they ain't all that, they are seeds. They end up
being CC plus. You got an eight plus guy who
won't know nothing but twelve sacks every year period, and
you you hope that they'd come out to be that.
But how many times have we seen guys be a
bus or maybe not even a bus? Just all right,
Jadavian County cool, he's good.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I would shaw the Cowboys historically over the last give
it like I mean, obviously, finding Dak in the fourth
round that is a strong win, and.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Rest a lot of these guys to get the second deals.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
But some of these first early round picks for the
Cowboys were good and really like played well. I don't
think the Dallas misses a ton early in the draft.
Ironically enough, though, one of them Mizzie Smith, a Michigan
former defensive tackle. He has been obstensibly now a mess
that you're trading for Kenny Clark, and you have again
(30:22):
can't stop the run, and that's job's job.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Don't think that what Jerry just said is necessarily incongruent.
The issue that everyone has, and the issue that I
have as well with this, is the order of operations.
If you made this deal, if Jerry Jones had traded
Michael Parsons the day before the draft and gotten two
(30:52):
first rounders, one gott whatever the Cowboys pick was this year,
and then eighteen from green Bay and then green Bay's
next first rounder, I think that we'd be looking at
this in a much different light because now you're adding
two players, like if the Bengals with Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Part of the reason why theoretically.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
They could have let Trey Henderson walk or not extend
him past this upcoming season because you were drafting Shamar Stewart.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
In the first round. Now, part of the problem is
they took forever to de sign him those deals.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
But that's at least intellectually congruent with the plan. We
don't like where our pass rusher is headed, even though
he's had record production. We don't want to offer him
a long term deal. We'll get a guy behind him.
That's the way you build a roster in the NFL,
whether you have the machinations of what the actual payment was,
obviously was the hang up there with this, with this move,
(31:46):
Jerry's looking at this roster. He made the point, and
I was telling Soccer just off. It's like Jerry is
not about the jaysban to come out here and say,
I got the highest paid quarterback of football. I got
one of the high favorite receivers of football. We think
we got. We need to win today, and I don't
think that that's a crazy statement to make when you've
got the highest paid player, like you cut that deal,
(32:07):
whether we think it was a good deal or not.
Jerry clearly did because he cut it. Do you see
what I'm saying? He gave him that no trade clause.
And so if you think that that is true, then
paying the highest paid quarterback the third or fourth highest
paid receiver to maybe second to Ceed Lamb.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I forget the exact numbers.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
No, he's got to be the least start but third
and fourth highest paid receiver in Ceede Lamb, thank you high,
but all again highest when they signed the deal. If
you're gonna make that you're the triplets all three highest paid,
you can't fill off the rest of your roster, you
gonna look like the Lakers playing Magic Laver off the
bench in Game five because you got nobody else your trust.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
But here's the thing. I didn't have to make him
the highest paid because if I do the deals earlier,
then they don't have to And with Dak, I don't
have if I don't have to wait, if I just
do it early, if that's your guy, there's something to
identifying what you need early. You go Packers. They paid
a bunch of money, but in the long term, it's
gonna be great. Remember we were having these conversations four
or five years ago, whatever it is, maybe with Patrick Mahome,
(33:05):
maybe five or six. Oh, he just got on that
four hundred some million. Well that looks pretty good now
because it looked good. Thing when you exactly when you
stretch that thing out, you knew, well, shoot, I ain't
gonna lie the way he looking throwing no look passes,
behind the back, passes, left hand passes. All he's doing
is winning a bunch of games and MVP. Yeah, that
money is gonna be good. And so to me, when
(33:26):
you have that long term view, when you're a prognosticator.
I can look a little in the future. I can
have the wear withthal and some foresight to say this
is gonna make sense. You know what, Dak is good.
He may not be Joe Montana. Hey, he may never
have the career Troy Aikman, but David, we might be
able to win one with him. Let's sign him now.
But then you mess around and play and now you
(33:46):
gotta pay him sixty when he should have been a guy.
He should have been rock purttyish because Rock Party can
look in Dak and say, you ain't done nothing like
I've done already. Sure you've done nothing I've done to
warrant you making well, you know, sixteen seven eighteen million
dollars more than me. So you took care of him.
Then he gets a Trevor Lawrence like deal. We all said, whoa.
I mean, he hadn't really done, but okay, your future, Okay,
(34:09):
forty something million for your guy that you're gonna ride
this thing out with. Okay, I'm not mad at that.
Sixty is crazy. Sixty was crazy last year, year before
next year. In the next year, you can't get the
deal where it's gonna be crazy for five years, it
has to be crazy, Like it has to be crazy
for a year two you can't have signed a deal
where it we're permanently gonna think that deal was wild.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
So I agree with you. I am not knocking at
Dak Prescott two at his best. I think if Dak
Prespott was the quarterback of the Packers and not the Cowboys,
we talk about an entirely different light because of this.
The attention that the Cowboys get. Dak Prescott at his
best has been a player who received MVP votes in
this league, a guy who finished second in MBP voting
(34:51):
I believe, or at least for second up until week
fifteen or whatever, like he was right there and then
the next year kind of fell off on the cliff.
But just conception, this team wasn't getting it done. You're
gonna look at this postseason. This team hasn't been getting
it done. And if again, if you had traded Michael
Parsons at any point prior to now, it would have
(35:13):
been a better time to do it. But if you
just go back to the Gambler, which again I didn't
call Jerry that.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
He called himself that.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
An eighth part Netflix documentary and I've lost enough money
in poker to know. You lost the first big hand, right,
You thought you had a good hand. You went into
the negotiation with Dak Prescott, you got hose.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
You lost the second big hand.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
You thought you had a better hand with Ceedee Lamb,
you got hosed in that negotiation.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
How many hands can you afford to lose in a row?
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Jerry folded the cards in said I'm gonna keep my
chips in my pocket and try to continue to stay
at the table, as opposed to saying I'm gonna go
all in again on this roster and with a team
that we all have as a collective media have thought
the Cowboys are going to be a disappointment this season,
(36:02):
and all of us thought that Michael Parsons was going
to be on that roster Week one.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
You've given out a lot of passes. You throwing a
lot of bail because we've been giving up five or
six instances where he could have done this diff He
could have signed Dak Prescott earlier, save somebody used that
money for some other things. Maybe I'm putting more guys around.
Micah Cede Lamb the CD was trying to play a
little big game let me see who's gonna get signed,
and we see who the market is. But he was
playing around. But maybe you signed him earlier. Again, and
(36:26):
my point is you trade Rember. The story reports come out,
they came to Jerry said, but you know we can
trade mikeel right now, two years ago. So he all
of these missteps continue to be why you're always a
few guys short, because it could be not to have
to be a huge signing, but maybe you just find
a nice cornerback, a nice linebacker for a nice salary.
Nothing crazy. Shore adds to the team. Because of that
(36:47):
money you saved with Dak If you were paying him
forty five instead of sixty, that's fifteen. We could spress
that out, spread that out a little bit. And to me,
these little small miscalculations that ultimately make him look cool
because he looks like I'm the big spender her the team.
And that's why we are where we are. We're after
a couple of injuries. The Lions had a bunch of injuries.
Now it bought them. It been been the butt finally
(37:08):
in the postseason, but they were at the depth and
they were able to withstand that. It still go fifteen
to two and still beat down the Vikings a couple
of times when they weren't supposed to.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I don't think that Jerry looked I don't think that
at this time last year, as the DAK deals and
cd LAMB deals were getting done, I don't think that
Jerry felt like he looked cool with being the big spender.
I know that it was a headline, but like, just
because I'm really thinking about this this morning, man, if
I was all ready for Jerry versus Salary Cap Part three,
(37:36):
salary Cap wins again, right, Jerry would be getting dragged
across the board for getting this deal done because of
the timing. Now, whether or not, I don't think the
deal is even that crazy for a guy like Michael Parsons.
I think it's a good contract, right, Like if it's
a contract that if I was Jerry, I would have
offered this contract to them. But Matt Moseley said it
(37:57):
and that, and Matt Mosley and Edward are to plugged in.
Most Dallas guys that you'll ever find listened to the
podcasts at the bottom of the first hour to be
able to catch that when you listen to all of it.
And I'm sure it'll be a part of in the
Best of too. But Matt Mosley said it. He said
Jerry was shick of getting beat up on these deals.
And Jerry, if he had signed this deal with Michael
Parsions the next day, everybody would have came out and
(38:19):
said Jerry was two years too late on this deal,
and that's why the Cowboys aren't gonna win anything.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Now he's gonna come out and say.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
At least, and here's the thing, if the Cowboys do,
if they do win something, now, let's say it. I mean,
nobody predicted that Washington was gonna be what they were.
Let's say the Cowboys go on a run and have
the magical season and they win thirteen games. Jerry Jones
by week ten will be doing those post games with
his feed up saying, I told y'all I had what
(38:47):
it took to win. I didn't need to pay Michael
Parton's a lot that money. He goes back to being
the star of the show and honestly put to seem
in a better salary cap position than it was yesterday. Now,
not that it was two years ago, but today today,
in this situation, I can get it, and I get
what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
While his feet would be up, it might as well
be Groundhog's day, because they'll go thirteen to four and
losing in the first round or the second round obviously,
and then it will be having these same conversations because
he at this point he's created himself where it's only
a super bowler bus. Most teams do that, Lamar Jackson,
It would make sense, Josh Allen, makes sense somehow the
Cowboys are in super Bowl or bus when they don't
(39:27):
have it. It's not even warranted because they don't even
get close regularly enough to be that man. Just like
those guys. Yeah,
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
The Cowboys trading all pro Michael Parsons to the Packers.
They've agreed to a four year deal. So he got
the deal already one hundred and eighty eight million dollars
and that is going to be of course, including one
hundred and thirty six that'll be guaranteed, which makes it
an average of forty seven million per year Martin, which
will be the highest paid non quarterback in history. And also,
(00:47):
if you are the Cowboys, they netted to first rounders
for the Cowboys. So just first and foremost, give me
your initial reaction. Kenny Clark and Kenny Clark and Kenny Clark,
no disrespect. Hold on, yeah, Kenny Clark, Kenny Clark, I'm
sitting there driving, you know, heading back this way. Boom,
We get the text. Boom is breaking it's all over
(01:07):
sports radio. And this has obviously been the conversation since
Rob's been I'm pretty much all I had. I've had,
you know, Rob G's and you and he from and
this has been what folks have been talking about, how
Jerry and Mike are going back and forth, and not
to mention, in the middle of this, he drops America's team,
So the Cowboys are pretty much dominated to Jerry's You
know exactly what he wants the conversation. But Martin, this
(01:28):
is something that I thought about last week. We had
this conversation when we were discussing and I said, you
just wonder, at a certain point would it backfire on
Jerry the way in which he's always conducted. We go back.
If you watch America's team, you go back to Emmett
had a holdout on the game too. Okay, fine, we
worked that deal out. You go back. Of course, with
some times with Michael Irvin, they had some deal with issues.
(01:50):
They work it out. He loves them. They're part of
the Dallas Hall of Fame and they're just part of
the guys. They're Cowboys. But then you fast forward a
little bit, you get Deack. We know what happened there
now is he's making sixty million. We know what happened
was see d Lamb now with Mike, And I was
telling rob G that I wonder if at a certain point,
especially when it started to get personal, right, you started
to make it like MICA's hurt more than he is
all these out six games. Mike's like, no, it was
(02:10):
four when you say, man, no, we already had deal
going on in the back room of a smoky club
and Vegas kind of vibe. I'm writing the deals on napkins,
that kind of a thing. When Mike's saying, hey, man, no, no, no,
my agent needs to be a part of this. Obviously,
you have to be a part of it. You can't
even make a deal without the CBA. So I was saying, then,
I just wonder at a certain point, doesn't backfire on Jerry,
all the showmanship, all the don't worry about at the
(02:32):
end of the day, we're gonna get the deal done.
It always works out in my favor. Does it finally backfire?
And to me, I'm looking at this as it does,
because you never want to lose your best player, right,
It's if you lose one of your better Okay, it's
tough on Jay. It's a business. You gotta do what
you gotta do. You can't lose a twenty six year
old best player on your team who's still very much
at his prime and still missed four games and still
(02:54):
comes back, still get your twelve thirteen sacks. So I
don't want to let that guy go. And I think
it got personal. I think it was. You know, this
is the same guy Michael Parsons Martin who said I
want to be here, I want to be a cowboy.
I don't care about money, want my agent to make
the deal. And I was upset what I'm doing, Fat,
because you want to make sure you get the best
deal you can get. Brother, your agent is, hey, hey, this
is what I'm here for. But at the end of
(03:15):
the day, now with this trade, Man, I'm wondering if
Man did this back far because I'm looking at it
like this. Jerry Jones, if you watched the America's team
and just from what we know about him, even before
this doc, we know how he wants to win again,
A to just win B and maybe this is a
to say I did it without Jimmy Johnson, Right, I
did it on my own. I know, Barry Switcher, but
that was Jimmy's team. And I look at this as
(03:39):
a setback in the sense of your defense was already struggling.
Your offense is good when it was at its best,
but now you don't have your defensive player. It's a setback.
And why go all in, Martin, go Why go all
in with Dak? Why go all in with CD just
to not be all in on the team and try
to win it, Because to me, this is a setback.
You just set your team back another year too, because
(04:01):
you could have done this beforehand and gotten those two
first round earlier and did something with those two first
round picks. So I just wanted this finally backfired on Jerry.
The gambler, gambled wrong in the house won in this case, Michael,
you know, or the Packers because they got who they wanted,
the Packers winning this deal, and they finally Jerry can
look at itself at the mirror and say, I messed
that one up.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
So I think that Jerry looks at this right, you know,
I first of all, I guarantee you. John michol To
tweeted out that they're having an availability at the Star
and at six thirty Central. So just a couple of minutes,
I promise you two things that Jerry Jones will not say,
and well two things he will say. One of them
it won't be with Jesus that he bungled this deal.
(04:43):
It's not going to be that. The other one he
will say is the last time everybody called me crazy
for trading a star defensive player. I won three super
Bowls herschel Walker, I mean a star star player, a
star player.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Everybody called me crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I won three super Bowls with the herschel Walker trade
to Minnesota and getting all of those picks back.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
He's I think he's gonna be wrong on both.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I don't see that this being This is not the
herschel Walker Hall and the Order of Operations.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
There's no defending it.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
If you're gonna trade Michael Parsons, whether you're gonna sign
Michael Parsons, whatever you're going we're going to do with
Michael Parsons, you should have done it two years ago,
that is. But Jerry's a gambler, right, And if you
are playing poker like me, I bet on games, right,
and I bet on games.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I don't play cards.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I'm not a card shark in that way because one
time that money stolen me playing talk in high school.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And that's the story for another day. But after that
I said, no more card. That is too much.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Right anyway, Jerry can't worry about the hands he's already lost.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
All he's got is the chips that he has in
his hand.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And when Michael Parsons went to go get that second
opinion on his back, which people will say is you know,
he's got a little case of contract itis in his back.
I get that, But Michael Parsons are playing high level
football for what the last ten years minimum, between Penn
State and then you know, khigh school, Penn State and whatever.
There's something in his back that an m RI will
(06:05):
show that will be like, yeah, he probably he's got something.
He's got too high level football. They can find, they
can find, they will find something, right, And so there
was a real I think what was Jerry was staring
down the pipe of which I don't think he considered,
was the fact that Michael Barton's gonna have a legitimate
reason to both get paid and not play football, which
is something that I don't think I ever crossed the mind.
(06:27):
That's when those trade calls started happening. You see, the
deal was not hard to negotiate. The deal was agreed
upon right, the deal was pretty much there, and there
were reports all the time that Jerry had offered a deal.
And it's not necessarily this one was kind of I mean,
this recess the market by a lot, but still a
deal that was, you know, relatively within reason.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
The felt like probably could negotiate off of that deal.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But you said something in your opening salvo that Jerry
Jones just completely ignored. He said, your agent said that's
what I'm here for. And Jerry Jones, at every step
of these negotiations has not said I don't want Michael
Parsons to be a cowboy, has not said I did
not offer Michael Parsons a contract, said both these under contract.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And offered him one.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
The issue in this entire time has been the go
between of the agent, which I don't know. A couple
of years ago, Lamar Jackson couldn't get a fully guaranteed deal.
That's because he didn't have an agent. Apparently this time
Michael Parsons can't get a negotiated deal because he does
have an agent. I'm not telling you this is what
I'm saying from now on, I don't care if an
NFL team is complaining about the way an agent is moving.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You're telling me it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Okay, Now, I think that's what it came down to
more than anything. Michael Parsons said he wanted to be there,
said money's not an issue, Jerry Jones, and every time
said I wanted him to be there, the contract's not
the issue. At a certain point in time, Jerry Jones
did not treat Michael Parsions with the business level of
respect of doing this the appropriate way. And that is
the reason why Michael Parsons is a Green Bay packer today.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
And that's where I come back to my point of
if I'm telling you I want to be here, and
we have a great relationship to the tune of me
going at other guys de Marcus Lawrence go good rittings,
you know, Michael jumping out on him like I'm such
a cowboy, and so in trench, I'm talking bad about
guys as they're leaving it. You we don't even get
onto you gang or you're not you gang gang or
you're not And so to me both sides, Jerry takes
(08:15):
that for granted because Jerry looks at him. It still around.
Twenty five years later, you got Michael Irvan, all these guys,
they love them, they're still around, they have these great relationships.
And I think he just has this thing. Is hekl
Elliott spinning the block? Come on back? Sure? And I
think he just has this thing where because I treat guys,
you know Ryan, we all have this bond that no
matter what, Mike has come out and told me he
(08:36):
loves it here, that it'll work itself out. But one
thing I just why, I was telling Rob g when
we were talking about this, there's a certain point where
there's disrespect, there's business, and I understand business can be difficult,
and anybody who has an agent, you know, that's why
they're there. Let me do the difficult things. Let me
be the jerk, let me be all that in it.
So you can say, hey, my name Bennett, I ain't
(08:57):
in it. It's between them. But when you remove that
and then you don't know his relationship with his agent,
and all you keep doing is throwing my agent under
the bat.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Honestly, you can have there are trickles and if you
pay it like, we're way too in the weeds for this.
I'm not expecting the guy driving home from work today
to be necessarily on this. David Mullaghetta is Michael Parson's agent,
and Michaeh has not afraid to say things. Michael Parsons,
by any stretch, has complimented his agent several times for
the record setting deals he's gotten. Yep, he has shown
(09:26):
that is obviously the same level of support for his
agent that he does for the Cowboys type of thing.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
But Michael Parsons is the type of guy.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
If he feels like you're in his corner, he's going
to ride for you in public.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
You can tell that's him, right, That's just him at
his course. So when when you're going at me, oh man,
I mean he could just get hit by a train. WHOA, Okay,
that's weird. Oh yeah, I mean he missed six games anyway. WHOA?
First off, I didn't because now that's the type of stuff.
You know this, you've been covering sports. If I'm nothing else,
I'm at least all in right. I'm here, I'm giving
my best. And when you start making like I'm not
(09:57):
here in my availability, I don't know. I mean, he
can get hit by tr he's not even there. You
start to question that, and then you throw my agent,
who I have a relationship where then personal and professionally,
I think that was the thing for Mike was like, nah,
I'm willing to move on there. And then he started
to do the scoring XT, you know, scoring x and
start taking scrubbing Boo off the post social media post
and doing all that. And so now we find ourselves
in this situation. And again I think, if you're Dak
(10:19):
Prescott to me, I'm the one sitting here like, yo, man,
the pressure's on me because you we're gonna say this.
Me and Martin are gonna talk about this for the
next two hours and forty five minutes, and then you
got the next show. It's gonna come on the next show,
and then tomorrow morning. Everybody, you know, the even a
Smith's gonna have a field day with it and all
this stuff. Jerry's not going anywhere. I'm the owner. We've
(10:39):
loved him, we've hated, and we've laughed, we congratulated, doesn't matter.
He's the owner. Dak Prescott's the one who's gonna have
to sit here and say he's that good. Why can't
he get it? Done. Why can't he do this? And
this season maybe his offense good and his defens isn't.
We just saw that with Joe bra I'm not saying
it's gonna be that efficient, but my point is to me,
I'm the one that has to me be the podium
king as the quarterback, you know what I mean. And
now my team keeps being handicapped, if you will, and
(11:03):
I got to be the one to sit there and
be a part of it.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Now my reputation, you would think that in any other organization,
the podium king is generally the quarterback. Not in Dallas,
the podium king is actually outside the podium on the scrum,
as Clarence Hill and everybody else is holding the microphone
in front of Jerry as he's holding court outside the
locker room. The thing about this that you just touched
on is with all of this, Jerry Jones now is
(11:28):
back into He is back in charge. He is he
has cleared the decks of people that are gonna be
because think about who's got who. Just just now again,
I was out on I was in the south of
France the last two weeks, so I make a chance
to get But I have to say I saw Brian
Schottenheimer several times as I'm on a vacation of reading
this at four o'clock in the morning in the water closet,
(11:48):
He's saying, uh uh, you know, you know, I think
Michael Parkson is gonna be here week one. I'm gonna
have a conversation with Michael. He'll be here week one.
Dak Prescott, I'm gonna have a conversation with Michael. We've
been here before. I think Michael will be here week one.
Stephen Jerry Jones, I think on a stephn A Smith,
Michael Lervin something or other said the trade is not happening.
The pressure to me lies squarely on Jerry Jones, because
(12:11):
Dak Prescott got a no trade clause. He ain't going
nowhere either. Ceedee Limb's cap hit isn't saying he ain't
going nowhere either. The pressure to me is on Jerry Jones.
And the happiest man in Dallas is Nico Harrison.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Man. Let me tell you some Dallas fans going through
it right now.
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Speaker 1 (13:40):
Jerry's been going at it since this thing started about
fifteen minutes ago, and we'll get some sound for the
guys at that in just a minute. But there's another
side of that, and that is the other side is
the Packers gave up a couple of first rounds picks
and that had been on the radar Martin for about
a week or so have been the reports that the
Packers have been interested in getting Micah in his services.
(14:00):
So a couple of reason why this is interesting. One,
the Packers don't like to pay a bunch of money
to free agents.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Okay, ends table in comparison, Okah, because they go ahead,
yes in comparison, yeah yeah, in comparison to other teams,
they don't typically spend like other teams do.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And of course historically they've had a bunch of success,
so you can obviously point, you can say, well, look
we do pretty dog on well doing things our way.
So going to get him another thing that makes us
interesting for the Packers is they're the younger, one of
the youngest teams in the entire NFL, and then they
get a guy who's only twenty six and he's still
just really entering his prime and it can be a
remarkable force for them. So when you're the Packers, you're thinking,
(14:41):
you got your guys sold up. You got Jordan Love
by the way, signed to the same agent, and now
you got these two guys on the same team. We'll
talk about that a little bit later. You gotta be
feeling good and you're in the division where some people
say it's the Lion Some people say, man, the Vikings
is gonna be right back where they were even with
JJ because the defense is too good. All he has
to do is manage it. Some people hiring the Packers
(15:01):
some even after Bears being much much better than they
were last year. When you look at that division, to me,
in this new signing of Micah, do I think it
makes it difficult at times for the Lions. Yes, and
that's the team I still feel who is the best
in the division, even with the acquisition of Micah. For
the Packers, I think the Lions, Yes, they lost some
(15:22):
coordinators big time, that's a big deal. I'm not gonna
belittle that. However, they didn't lose any core of that offense.
They still got Laporter, they still got the running back
combination that has been deadly for now a handful of years.
They still got Williams Jomo, they still got im and
around Saint Brown, who's one of the best safety blankets
in the entire NFL and can still score a bunch
of touchdowns. And I think they also have a Jared
(15:43):
Goff who was ticked off of how he performed in
the postseason against a rookie, and Jaydon Daniels. So I
still look at Leandrea head coach too, who creates the
the the kind of the mantra, the vibe, the the
ethos of the team. So I still look at the
Lions as the team to beat in that division. Stand
JJ McCarthy. I am not as high on JJ, even
(16:04):
though from an Ubert Michigan not as high as other
people are. So to me, the Lions, this is yours
to lose. Do I think you go fifteen and two. No,
you may go back a couple of games thirteen or
twelve even but I think it's their division. I think
the packers did what they're supposed to do and trying
to secure it. And also think what they did with
this Martin was say, Jordan Love, we didn't gave you
(16:27):
the bag. We didn't got arguably one of the best one,
two three defenders in the league. This is your run
to do what your predecessors have done. Brett Favre got
a ring, went to a couple of Super Bowls. Aaron
Rodgers a couple of super Bowls, got one. This is
your run. We got you the money early. We got
a guy on your on your you call like a
(16:48):
record lay who he's on your your saying an agent,
We've got some young talent around you, who hopefully should
be growing and getting better. This is the run way.
Let's go. And I think they say, now you're in
your run way that we've done with Aaron Rodgers, we
did for Brett Farv you're up.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I think that this is definitely a bet on obviously
a big bet on Jordan Love, which the biggest bet
of Jordan Love was giving him all that money. As
you said, both of these players repped with by David Mulagetta.
So obviously when you have a relationship with an agent Dallas. Jerry,
I know you're talking right now, but when you get off,
(17:24):
if you catch the podcast, when you have a relationship
with an agent, is easier to get deals done.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
It's football GM in one on one.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
I know you've been there longer, Jerry, but you know,
sometimes fresh eyes can help see a scenario. But for me,
I had real questions about the other. To me, every
team in the NFC North has major questions. And it
was the best division in the NFC last year when
(17:53):
you look at the top of the teams, and then
even Green Bay when I only won one game in division, but.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
You know, every we'll talk about them, was a pretty
good team.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And then Chicago obviously dumpster fire last year in terms
of coaching and everything else, but promising young rookie and
Kayleb Williams, and you got a head coach in Ben
Johnson who a lot of people are very very high on.
So reasons for you know, optimism in Chicago. Although they
would be like, if you're just looking at the record,
be like why the buy one hundred beers? The Lions
(18:24):
losing both their coordinators. To me is this is the
most important offseason in Lions history. This has also been
the most prolonged success the Lions have had in thirty years, right,
and this is the first real time where you are
(18:45):
paying the price for success. So which kind of head
coach is Dan Campbell? Is the answer we are going
to get this season because to me, one of the
things that completely is over i mean under raided in
Kyle Shanahan's career is his ability to both highre and
fire coordinators. Every single year when they were really on
(19:08):
their hot streak, really on their run, he was losing
passing game coordators, offensive cooridators, defensive coordinators. And it didn't
matter because Shanahan was continued to hire people and he
was like he kept hitting out of the park. And
the one time that they made the mistake at defensive coordinator,
they lost in the Super Bowl in overtime.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Okay, now, did it as a resulted in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
No, But there's a lot of teams Jerry Jones right
now would trade a whole lot to have the success
the forty nine has had in the postseason over the
last five years compared to what he has. Are you
the forty nine ers or are you the Eagles? The
Eagles lost both They went to the Super Bowl, and
everybody says Jalen Hurts had a great game in that game.
He did have a fumble six in the game that
they lost by a touchdown, Right, but they were still
(19:49):
in the Super Bowl, a team that had a super
Bowl level type of roster. They lose both their coordinators,
fall off a cliff second half of the season, one
and nine get dog walked in the playoffs, losing the
wild card to Tampa, and then all of a sudden boom,
make the right hires again in the.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Super Bowl, win the Super Bowl? Right now?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Forty nine ers had some injury dis reprecies there too.
Lion should have everybody back. What type of coaches, Dan Campbell,
that's the answer that we get right here, because I agree,
fifteen wins, I don't need to see that, But I
need to see a team that is still a top
of the NFC Nord because this roster, to me, is
the best in the NFC North Minnesota too many questions
(20:33):
at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I went to Michigan.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I was clapping and standing on the table when they
ran the ball for the twenty seventh straight time against
Penn State. You know, oh, I was just so excited
because that's just type of football a that I love
to watch. But also I thought JJ McCarthy put the
ball at risk. I know he didn't throw a lot
of interceptions. Watched the Rose Bowl, Caleb down Shua and Shorter.
That's a pick, Marcus May, that's a pick, right, he
(20:58):
would just overthrow easy Patty. He just he wasn't that
we're jumping up the tenth to get that guy. I
think that's what was shocking for me.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I think speaking for you too, where nobody say he
can't be a late first round All he did was win,
But the jump up the tenth was like, wait, did
I miss something? Because I swear I thought I saw
just about every pass in his career. Did I miss something?
So we're gonna find out who he is.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
But one of the most interesting to me sliding door
moments in the last sliding door moments where if one
thing went a little differently, the whole league would have
been in a different spot. Aaron Jones ran for like
one fifty something in that wildcard game when Green Bay
was Remember they were the first I believe seven seed,
(21:37):
the first extra wildcard team to win a playoff game.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
They go into Jerry's world.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
They beat Dallas and Aaron Jones runs all over him.
The Packers let Aaron Jones walk to Minnesota, make Jordan
Love at that point the highest paid quarterback in football.
And Michael Parsons was on that roster for Dallas and
got crushed for being quote unquote invisible in that postseason game,
dak to play terribly as well. Jerry Jones today just
(22:03):
said one of the things that we need to show up,
we need to be able to stop the run.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And I know he's thinking about that game in this moment.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And if you in fact think, if you're Jerry Jones,
and you in fact think that Michael Parsons is not
worth this money, not worth this type of deal, because
even though there's a discrepancy in what he was offered
compared to what like ultimately so there was a big
gap of a five million dollars there, which is pretty significant.
But I again, if there had been like maybe just
(22:32):
regular negotiations here, who probably could have found a middle ground.
Because Michael was his son advised to stay in doubts,
he said he wanted to stay Jerry. I can't imagine
Jerry's not thinking about those playoff games, thinking about how
Michael Parsons wasn't quite there and if he thinks that
this is a massive overpay, then good job by you,
because the Lions.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Are gonna be really good in this division.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
The Vikings have a great roster and that they hit
on this quarterback and they Kevin O'Connell, depending on how
you you listen to him saying, oh, I love the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You look at the Auf Steason moves.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
He was on the phone with every other quarterback and
seemed so see how it actually plays out. And then
you have the Packers like and then you have the
Bears rather who just hired Ben Johnson and they expect
to have a lot of success. This might be a
team that gets beat up in the division regardless of
what they did well.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
They're gonna get beat up regardless. To me, I've already
told Rob g that I think the Commanders are gonna
be right about the same back.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And know what I'm saying, the Packers might be a
team that get beat up in their division. If everything
the way the NFC North plays out, you might have
got some pretty high first round picks here just in general.
And you know, and I'm not saying I don't think
they're gonna have.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
A terrible year.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
But no, I picked the Packers to be third in
the in the North. Probably still third in the North.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
They're nine and eleven games to me, somewhere around there
between nine and eleven. The thing that I think also
helped Jerry sleep at night tonight is that he can say, well,
look at the other guys who've gotten paid in that
same you know type of position, TJ Watt, Well, TJ.
What have you done for me lately? Oh? That's I
know that's coming today. They haven't done anything in the
(24:00):
sason with TJ. Watt. They haven't won a game eight
nine years. Miles Garrett got all the money, hasn't really
done anything. I know they got one with Joe Flacco.
But point is it's not. Their perennial defense isn't great.
They're always in the postseason. So I think that's one
thing that Jerry Jones, when he hit that melatone in
the night and he sleeps good, he's going to be
able to say, man, I know he's good. I know
(24:20):
he's great. But one defensive end, you know, outside linebacker,
doesn't change the game like this. He ain't Lawrence Taylor,
Max Crosby, Max Crosby spectacular. Everybody wanted him to get
traded last season. Go to it to the Lions, you know,
because they were hurt with a Hutchinson. So I think
that is something he can sell himself and say, great
(24:41):
as these guys are, they're not making that much of
a difference. And those types of guys really only make
a difference when they become kind of the hit man
for hire. And we'll talk about that a little bit
later on. Just some teams that maybe could have jumped
in there as well.
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Speaker 1 (25:05):
Jerry Jones traded Michael Parsons to the Green Bay Packers
couple of first round UH picks. There, he's getting one
hundred and eighty eight million dollars forty seven annually, one
hundred and thirty six guaranteed the highest paid non quarterback
in history, which, by the way, I mean, how long
is that gonna last? We do that every time somebody
gets it the highest paid non quarterback, then we'll be
doing it again, I don't know Bud because forty like
(25:29):
he's the highest paid nine quarterback by struck by a
look at look at me, look Abdul Carter. In about
two three years, we're gonna be saying the same conversation.
It's you know, it's an absurd amount of money. However,
if I'd have told you this ten to fifteen years ago,
we'd been you know, uh, Khalil Mack money was crazy money, aid, Yeah, yeah, Hutchinson,
he's about to get paid. It was that that's some money.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Now that is an underlying interesting third day of this
topic story, real quick, Aiden Hutchinson is up next. Now,
the guy in your division is the highest paid not
quarterback by a large margin, and they play the same position.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And he was in VP, not defensive. He was in
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you been wanting to get in. We've been We've had
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so all this news, so we appreciate you hanging out
(26:49):
with us with that. All right, So Mark, let's get
to some sound from Jerry. He had a lot to say.
We haven't had a chance to hear too much. So
here's Jerry Jones on what happened today.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Oh, we have the highest paid player in the NFL
at quarterback, and we made that commitment last year and
we're proud we made it and had everything to do
with this decision. Everything it is. Give us every opportunity
with Dak, Press Good and Lamb and the base that
we've got to win.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Now.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
This gives us a better chance to be a better
team than we have been the last few several years
since Michael's been here. Not any negative on Michael, but
we're trying to get better. We're trying to stop the
run and stay in the hunt.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I don't disagree that. Potentially long term, yes, because obviously
there's a greater sum than just one meeting. You got
all these picks, and then who knows what they do
with the picks, you might get more players. I understand that.
I guess my frustration would be and I'm not a
Cowboy fan, but if I'm a Cowboy fan, if not, now,
then win? How many years do I have to hear? Well,
what this is going to do?
Speaker 7 (27:54):
This?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Well, how you don't even know we're about to do
I got these watch when we do it. My son
is twenty I'm making it up. He's never seen it
NFC Championship game. Sure, my twenty two year old son
has never seen us in the Great America's Team documentary
with him It and Michael Irvan and Troidman at the Triplets,
and I I saw, like I'm telling old fable tales,
(28:15):
wives tales to him, to my son or my daughter.
Is what I think. You know, a true Cowboy fan
can be feeling. So Yes, I understand that if he
were a general manager who had a long amount of
years ahead of him. You know, he's fifty five, and
I've got a whole lot of going on your Brad
Holmes in Detroit. You know we're doing this for the
(28:36):
long term. I understand it, Jerry Man. I mean, like
I said, if you're trying to he's eighty two years old,
and I keep bringing it up, only be saying if
he's trying to win now and he's trying to get
the monkey off his back. To me, you did not
do that giving up your best player team, not just
a really good DEFENSI player, He's the best player on
your team and one of the best in the league.
And so doing that to me just set you back,
and you just don't know what it does to the
(28:57):
team as a whole. Do guys start to kind of
what a.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Lot of guys have said about how they're not they
don't like the leadership, the timeline, not necessarily, I mean
the Twitter or x timeline.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
And they've been saying they're not happy about this because
guys want to win. Because I don't know, man, these
contracts are guaranteed. I'm trying to win now. You just
never know. Maybe this is my last year and I'm
trying to win and you just got rid of the
guy that gave me another chance to win. So yes, Jerry,
I totally hear you. In the long run, maybe just maybe,
but you know what else could have happened. You get
a couple of draft picks in the first round and
(29:29):
they ain't all that, they are seeds. They end up
being CC plus. You got an eight plus guy who
won't know nothing but twelve sacks every year period, and
you you hope that they'd come out to be that.
But how many times have we seen guys be a
bus or maybe not even a bus? Just all right,
Jadavian County cool, he's good.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I would shaw the Cowboys historically over the last give
it like I mean, obviously, finding Dak in the fourth
round that is a strong win, and.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Rest a lot of these guys to get the second deals.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
But some of these first early round picks for the
Cowboys were good and really like played well. I don't
think the Dallas misses a ton early in the draft.
Ironically enough, though, one of them Mizzie Smith, a Michigan
former defensive tackle. He has been obstensibly now a mess
that you're trading for Kenny Clark, and you have again
(30:22):
can't stop the run, and that's job's job.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Don't think that what Jerry just said is necessarily incongruent.
The issue that everyone has, and the issue that I
have as well with this, is the order of operations.
If you made this deal, if Jerry Jones had traded
Michael Parsons the day before the draft and gotten two
(30:52):
first rounders, one gott whatever the Cowboys pick was this year,
and then eighteen from green Bay and then green Bay's
next first rounder, I think that we'd be looking at
this in a much different light because now you're adding
two players, like if the Bengals with Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Part of the reason why theoretically.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
They could have let Trey Henderson walk or not extend
him past this upcoming season because you were drafting Shamar Stewart.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
In the first round. Now, part of the problem is
they took forever to de sign him those deals.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
But that's at least intellectually congruent with the plan. We
don't like where our pass rusher is headed, even though
he's had record production. We don't want to offer him
a long term deal. We'll get a guy behind him.
That's the way you build a roster in the NFL,
whether you have the machinations of what the actual payment was,
obviously was the hang up there with this, with this move,
(31:46):
Jerry's looking at this roster. He made the point, and
I was telling Soccer just off. It's like Jerry is
not about the jaysban to come out here and say,
I got the highest paid quarterback of football. I got
one of the high favorite receivers of football. We think
we got. We need to win today, and I don't
think that that's a crazy statement to make when you've
got the highest paid player, like you cut that deal,
(32:07):
whether we think it was a good deal or not.
Jerry clearly did because he cut it. Do you see
what I'm saying? He gave him that no trade clause.
And so if you think that that is true, then
paying the highest paid quarterback the third or fourth highest
paid receiver to maybe second to Ceed Lamb.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I forget the exact numbers.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
No, he's got to be the least start but third
and fourth highest paid receiver in Ceede Lamb, thank you high,
but all again highest when they signed the deal. If
you're gonna make that you're the triplets all three highest paid,
you can't fill off the rest of your roster, you
gonna look like the Lakers playing Magic Laver off the
bench in Game five because you got nobody else your trust.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
But here's the thing. I didn't have to make him
the highest paid because if I do the deals earlier,
then they don't have to And with Dak, I don't
have if I don't have to wait, if I just
do it early, if that's your guy, there's something to
identifying what you need early. You go Packers. They paid
a bunch of money, but in the long term, it's
gonna be great. Remember we were having these conversations four
or five years ago, whatever it is, maybe with Patrick Mahome,
(33:05):
maybe five or six. Oh, he just got on that
four hundred some million. Well that looks pretty good now
because it looked good. Thing when you exactly when you
stretch that thing out, you knew, well, shoot, I ain't
gonna lie the way he looking throwing no look passes,
behind the back, passes, left hand passes. All he's doing
is winning a bunch of games and MVP. Yeah, that
money is gonna be good. And so to me, when
(33:26):
you have that long term view, when you're a prognosticator.
I can look a little in the future. I can
have the wear withthal and some foresight to say this
is gonna make sense. You know what, Dak is good.
He may not be Joe Montana. Hey, he may never
have the career Troy Aikman, but David, we might be
able to win one with him. Let's sign him now.
But then you mess around and play and now you
(33:46):
gotta pay him sixty when he should have been a guy.
He should have been rock purttyish because Rock Party can
look in Dak and say, you ain't done nothing like
I've done already. Sure you've done nothing I've done to
warrant you making well, you know, sixteen seven eighteen million
dollars more than me. So you took care of him.
Then he gets a Trevor Lawrence like deal. We all said, whoa.
I mean, he hadn't really done, but okay, your future, Okay,
(34:09):
forty something million for your guy that you're gonna ride
this thing out with. Okay, I'm not mad at that.
Sixty is crazy. Sixty was crazy last year, year before
next year. In the next year, you can't get the
deal where it's gonna be crazy for five years, it
has to be crazy, Like it has to be crazy
for a year two you can't have signed a deal
where it we're permanently gonna think that deal was wild.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
So I agree with you. I am not knocking at
Dak Prescott two at his best. I think if Dak
Prespott was the quarterback of the Packers and not the Cowboys,
we talk about an entirely different light because of this.
The attention that the Cowboys get. Dak Prescott at his
best has been a player who received MVP votes in
this league, a guy who finished second in MBP voting
(34:51):
I believe, or at least for second up until week
fifteen or whatever, like he was right there and then
the next year kind of fell off on the cliff.
But just conception, this team wasn't getting it done. You're
gonna look at this postseason. This team hasn't been getting
it done. And if again, if you had traded Michael
Parsons at any point prior to now, it would have
(35:13):
been a better time to do it. But if you
just go back to the Gambler, which again I didn't
call Jerry that.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
He called himself that.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
An eighth part Netflix documentary and I've lost enough money
in poker to know. You lost the first big hand, right,
You thought you had a good hand. You went into
the negotiation with Dak Prescott, you got hose.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
You lost the second big hand.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
You thought you had a better hand with Ceedee Lamb,
you got hosed in that negotiation.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
How many hands can you afford to lose in a row?
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Jerry folded the cards in said I'm gonna keep my
chips in my pocket and try to continue to stay
at the table, as opposed to saying I'm gonna go
all in again on this roster and with a team
that we all have as a collective media have thought
the Cowboys are going to be a disappointment this season,
(36:02):
and all of us thought that Michael Parsons was going
to be on that roster Week one.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
You've given out a lot of passes. You throwing a
lot of bail because we've been giving up five or
six instances where he could have done this diff He
could have signed Dak Prescott earlier, save somebody used that
money for some other things. Maybe I'm putting more guys around.
Micah Cede Lamb the CD was trying to play a
little big game let me see who's gonna get signed,
and we see who the market is. But he was
playing around. But maybe you signed him earlier. Again, and
(36:26):
my point is you trade Rember. The story reports come out,
they came to Jerry said, but you know we can
trade mikeel right now, two years ago. So he all
of these missteps continue to be why you're always a
few guys short, because it could be not to have
to be a huge signing, but maybe you just find
a nice cornerback, a nice linebacker for a nice salary.
Nothing crazy. Shore adds to the team. Because of that
(36:47):
money you saved with Dak If you were paying him
forty five instead of sixty, that's fifteen. We could spress
that out, spread that out a little bit. And to me,
these little small miscalculations that ultimately make him look cool
because he looks like I'm the big spender her the team.
And that's why we are where we are. We're after
a couple of injuries. The Lions had a bunch of injuries.
Now it bought them. It been been the butt finally
(37:08):
in the postseason, but they were at the depth and
they were able to withstand that. It still go fifteen
to two and still beat down the Vikings a couple
of times when they weren't supposed to.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I don't think that Jerry looked I don't think that
at this time last year, as the DAK deals and
cd LAMB deals were getting done, I don't think that
Jerry felt like he looked cool with being the big spender.
I know that it was a headline, but like, just
because I'm really thinking about this this morning, man, if
I was all ready for Jerry versus Salary Cap Part three,
(37:36):
salary Cap wins again, right, Jerry would be getting dragged
across the board for getting this deal done because of
the timing. Now, whether or not, I don't think the
deal is even that crazy for a guy like Michael Parsons.
I think it's a good contract, right, Like if it's
a contract that if I was Jerry, I would have
offered this contract to them. But Matt Moseley said it
(37:57):
and that, and Matt Mosley and Edward are to plugged in.
Most Dallas guys that you'll ever find listened to the
podcasts at the bottom of the first hour to be
able to catch that when you listen to all of it.
And I'm sure it'll be a part of in the
Best of too. But Matt Mosley said it. He said
Jerry was shick of getting beat up on these deals.
And Jerry, if he had signed this deal with Michael
Parsions the next day, everybody would have came out and
(38:19):
said Jerry was two years too late on this deal,
and that's why the Cowboys aren't gonna win anything.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Now he's gonna come out and say.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
At least, and here's the thing, if the Cowboys do,
if they do win something, now, let's say it. I mean,
nobody predicted that Washington was gonna be what they were.
Let's say the Cowboys go on a run and have
the magical season and they win thirteen games. Jerry Jones
by week ten will be doing those post games with
his feed up saying, I told y'all I had what
(38:47):
it took to win. I didn't need to pay Michael
Parton's a lot that money. He goes back to being
the star of the show and honestly put to seem
in a better salary cap position than it was yesterday. Now,
not that it was two years ago, but today today,
in this situation, I can get it, and I get
what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
While his feet would be up, it might as well
be Groundhog's day, because they'll go thirteen to four and
losing in the first round or the second round obviously,
and then it will be having these same conversations because
he at this point he's created himself where it's only
a super bowler bus. Most teams do that, Lamar Jackson,
It would make sense, Josh Allen, makes sense somehow the
Cowboys are in super Bowl or bus when they don't
(39:27):
have it. It's not even warranted because they don't even
get close regularly enough to be that man. Just like
those guys. Yeah,
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