August 29, 2025 • 36 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin explain why this trade should inspire Micah Parsons to reset his leadership style and cut back on all the public commentary, tell us whether Micah Parsons could actually come to regret leaving Dallas in the same way Tyreek Hill regrets leaving Kansas City and debate whether it’s fair to say that Arch Manning is part of Kardashian-ization of sports.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
I will start with this shout out to Rob because
me and Rob had many a conversations obviously about this Micau,
about this Jerry Jones, and my whole thought process was,
you know, hopefully if you're Jerry Jones, this is what
you do is part for the chorus. Blah blah blah.
They're gonna find a way. And I'm not in the
business of wanting to trade my best player. Rob would say, hey,
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if you can get a haul for him, you know,
you trade them. I think they ended up being split
somewhere down the middle because I don't think they got
a haul for one of the top maybe you know,
ten twelve players in the league. Sure, I don't think
you got a haul for that. I don't think you
got enough. And still stand that, and I think you
would agree we talked about it. That fine, if you're
gonna trade him, why trade him now when you could
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have traded him earlier, right around the draft and actual
and actualized those two first round picks, right you could
have hate we got these things, we could turn right
around and use them. And so you could have done
it earlier. You could have done it last year. Maybe
even got more as as far as actual players and picks.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
So to me, it split down the middle.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
He could have got much more if he were going
to trade them based on when he could have traded him.
So now, Martin, we hear this coming out, that this
was a unanimous decision to trade him, And so, according
to Nick Harris of Fort Worth Star Telegram, sources behind
the scenes, they basically said the relationship between the Cowboys
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and Micah had gotten so bad obviously over the last
few weeks with all the stuff going on, it was irreparable,
and that Jerry Jones and he confirmed it with other
people that listen, we're gonna have to make this trade,
and that you had the front office in, you had
some of the front facing players, some of the leaders
on the team that were consulting in this. They were
in and there was a unanimous decision once it got
(02:04):
to this point that it has the last couple of
weeks in including coach Brian Schottenheimer being involved in this
as well.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So to me, I look at this a couple of ways, Martin. One,
this is where we.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Got to I still stand a lot of the portion
is on Jerry Jones and the business and the way
he handled his business and the reasons why he.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Does what he does.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
That's how we got to this place where it became
a unanimous decision. So when you get when you don't
trade him when you had the opportunity, as we mentioned it,
well now you're kind of forced to get what you
can get, right, I will just take what we can get.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
When you could have had.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
More people who were throwing out offers, had you talked
about this a few months ago, or even before the draft,
more teams jump in right, Hey, well shoot, Micah's up.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I'll give you.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
This could have had much more a bigger feel to
choose from.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
So Number one, I blame that on Jerry and the
way handle it.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
You could have traded him a couple of years ago
when your front office and your team came to you. Hey, man,
if we're gonna trade Michael right now. You know, we
gotta pay him at some point. We don't want to.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It's'ld be a great time to do it. He's youngest,
twenty four, he's in all pro.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
We can get a lot for him. Nah, we're gonna
keep him a couple of years. I'nna sign him. That
doesn't happen. You don't sign them, you trade, you don't
get that much. So of course you forced your hand
to where now you can't go back. Michael's upset. Micah's
causing a fuss. He's laying on the training table. He's
eating popcorn. He's telling Atlanta Falcons fans to call him.
You're over here yelling it. You're going at it with
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the agent. You've got to the place so there is
no return. Now, since we're here, let me offer you this, Martin.
When a relationship ends, you've been in a relationship. Hopefully
the one you're in never gonna end because you just
got married. Congrats again, thank you. But you've been in
ones that have We all have. And and by the way,
relationship don't have to be romantic. You can be business
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and partners. It could be homeboys, your friend and that
is a two sided coin. I say that to say,
all right, here we are, now this relationship ended. Well, Michaeh,
let me offer you this. This is a chance for
you to hit reset. This is a chance for you
to say, well, dang, if everybody's saying I'm crazy, maybe
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I am. And what I mean by that, Michael Martin,
is that if everybody, Jerry, get it right, Michaeh, Yeah,
you're not crazy. Yeah, let me get back this where
you are a little crazy on you know, part time
on Tuesdays and Thursdays. But look, if we get reports
that they're questioning his leadership right his own team, if
we get reports that you had many many come to
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the coaches and say, hey, man, I don't know what
to do with this guy.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Hey, this guy's getting a little beside himself.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
We have his own players coming out on podcasts saying
they don't like what he says on podcasts.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And we know what he's done. He's jumped in other
people's money.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That's one of the things all athletes tell you, and man,
don't talk about my money.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
That's between me and ownership.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You don't jump in another man's money and putting opinions
out there on that. He's done that. He's talked about
his own coaching staff. He's questioned them when they lost
in the playoffs. Sagreen, Hey calling them out. I'm not
the one putting me out there, y'all, man, I'm a linebacker.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
They too it. I don't call the players up.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
When you have all of these things starting to happen,
you have you're supposed to be the best player in
the leader. Now it's time to self reflect, right, Okay,
so wipe your hands clean.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I'm going to Green Bay. What do I need to do?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Because there's two parts, two reasons why our relationship beens.
It ain't just them. How do you improve? So to me,
this reset Micah is a great time for Micah to
look in the mirror and say, I got to become
a better leader. There's ways I can get better defensively,
And just because I can doesn't mean I should have
a podcast. Because I'm hurting my teammates feelings and putting
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things out there for fodder that comes back at them.
I'm dak Is all of a sudden getting shots thinking
I'm taking a shot to him because I don't mention
him in the top ten quarterbacks and now dak is
sitting there coming out of practice. We should be talking
about what happened on the practice field. I got to
answer questions of these. So you had your fun a
few years of the podcast, you did some good things
with it.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Great.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Now it's trying to buckle down, bunker down. And to me,
it's okay for you to reset, it's okay for you
to reassess, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
For you to switch up how you've been doing things.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
And to me, I look at this opportunity for Micah
as well, because you don't come off this thing scathe.
They're you know, free and spotless and flawless. You've got
some things you need to change.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
So I think what's fascinating is because we all were
looking at this again this trade shout out to Ricky
Schmokes or Scoops or whatever his name was on Twitter
a few days ago, but before that, it was before that,
and then Brian Cooton goes kind of not just out
really laughing and said, are you guys are listening to
Twitter trolls?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Don't you know?
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Let's eat Line's app and kind of giving it like
not not a non answer.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
It's like Wait a minute, is this real?
Speaker 5 (06:47):
So we all kind of thought that the deal was
gonna get done this entire time.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
And one of the.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Things that I've made me feel different about this the
whole time I've been I've been working for people who
have been locked in to every move of Jerry Jones
for almost the last ten years.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I've seen.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
I saw that I've covered the Zeke negotiations from Afar
in a national scale. I'm not saying I'm in the
Star are there every day? But I covered two DAC
everyday news cycle. How are we getting this done? Covered
the Zeke one. The one that made this different is
when you looked at just the last four to three
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years of the Cowboys, especially the last two years of
the Cowboys, as Michael Parson's star began to grow bigger
than the one that was just on his helmet. Right
when Michael Parsons was drafted, you remember he had sat
out his COVID year, so he was kind of and
it was like the eleventh picking the draft or twelfth
picking the draft. So people were high on him as
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a prospect, but it was kind of like, oh, does
he love football? All the things that people will say
about any draft picked. Then he comes in and I
remember Tej hous Manzada, who's on this network, told me
after two games Michael Parsons should never drop back in
the coverage again.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
That boy is a hall of fame. At Rusher, I
was like, oh, TJ, you've been a little no, no.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
No, he's he's like that, right, he's like that, and
to that point, Michael Parsons since that point has been
like that. But the Cowboys, Jerry is the one whose
name's on front of the check, right. Jerry's signing in
front of that thing, not the back. He's not endorse.
He the check to cash, and Jerry's the one who's
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signing the front of it. And you can deal with
a little bit of noise from the man in charge, right,
because demand in charge is demand in charge. But by
Wednesday of the Cowboys week, it's about what Michael Parson's
had to say. And a lot of times Michael Parsons
will say, well, Jerry said, we're all in.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Where's the all in? Do you know?
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Like this type of situation, there is no Tuesday owner
conversation in Green Bay. Michael Parsons will be the story.
If you can tell us this podcast along the Way.
I don't see it stopping for the record. But I
also don't see like Michael Parson's ostensibly, in my opinion,
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has gotten a bit of a pass for the things
he has said along the way because Jerry is the
foil on the other side of this thing. It's like
if a first, it's like if jj Reddick had went
on and won a championship in year one, nobody would
have gave him the credit for it because everybody said, well,
he's the Bronz guy, even if jj Reddick was instrumental
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in developing the talent and drawing everything up. And it's like,
you can directly point to why jj Reddick did all
these things that Darvingham couldn't, so on and so forth.
Everybody that's Lebrons guy. You know he's gonna win it anyway.
That's kind of how it probably would sound. That's just
not that that foil, that other big personality doesn't exist
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in Green Bay. Michael Parsons is the big personality. He
is going to be. He's taking his star to Green Bay,
and there's nobody who even comes close to rivaling When
Michael Parson says something, he's going to be the biggest
voice in the organization.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
See absolutely.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And that's why to me, Mark, if he were to
go there doing all that, it could backfire in the
sense of if you're if.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Also, I don't want to cut you off, but let's
just say you say if I don't think anything about
Michael Parsons says he's going to stop do you no?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
But there's a massive butt though.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
There's a point in everybody's life where you're offering an
opportunity to say, maybe I can mix it up a
little bit, maybe I do the podcast in a different form.
Nobody's saying, don't ever speak about things. But the idea
that you're speaking about your teammates behind their back is
kind of crazy. And what I mean is we just
lose the game. You go on your podcast. We shouldn't
have did that.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I don't like I ain't the one.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
That's different than if he goes to the podcast say
with me and you and him and we're talking about
Marvel movies. So nobody's saying you can't do a podcast.
It's in the sense of the way in what you're
doing and can conduct a business, you're throwing coach.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Under the bus.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Nobody like dude, we're supposed to be all in the
bunker hole together, right, Me and you, Me and you
were doing the show. Obviously, me and Rob Parker do
the show. We all we gotta be in his bunker together,
and we gotta havesh some stuff out, all right, Yo,
let's go do lunch. Me you Roberie, what's up? Let's
go but tee idea to go on air. He ain't
here bashing.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I don't like he know that. Like, dude, come on,
we're in this thing.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Talk to me.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Let's figure it out, let's grow, let's build report, let's chemistry.
And I'm saying that type of thing, especially in a
town that is close knit, in the town that doesn't
have ownership, in the town that's kind of done it
their own way. We're not a big city. We kind
of have our own quirky ways. I think that could
grow very tiresome. At least in Dallas. It's the big Deed.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
It's got other kid, it's got the Mavericks, he's got
other things in the city. It's a lot going on. Dude.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You come here with all that loudness. When we're chill,
you don't hear nothing, you know, Jordan Love. He speaks,
but he's never really saying anything crazy, and up until
the last little bit, Aaron Rodgers wasn't say much. I'm
just saying that could be too much, especially for a
guy who's new and doesn't have equity. You're not a
draft pick. We haven't grown with you for seven years.
So that's what I'm saying. It's not that you can't
ever talk about things, but dude, question the teammates and
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this and why we did that on its usually taboo.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Kelvin, you sure you didn't get equity in that deal?
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
He might have got some equity out of that deal.
The ownership group is fluid in Green Bay. He might
have gotten a little equity as much money as they
offered him and he signed for.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I gotta check the CBA.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I gotta check the CBA to see if he can
if he can get some ownerships by some other way.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
So maybe put in his mama name or something.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
My last point on this one, though, with the with
the Micah thing and the Jerry and the unanimous, there
are not many of these stories. However, in the time
that Jerry's been there, there have been times quite famously
the one that comes to mind first, where Johnny Manziel.
He said, I want Johnny Manziel and Stephen Jones and
ask anybody to tell the story.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Jery tell you himself.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Stephen Jones said, no, draft Zach Martin, don't draft Johnny
Manziel And the rest is history is Jack Martin all
ring Avanner guy, Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Caliber guy for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I think that Jerry when he says this was unanimous decision.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
I believe them.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I believe Well, well, what I just heard you say
was maybe I should listen to Steven More. That's just
what I heard. I just heard you say. Maybe I
should continue to be the owner, the marketer, the the
you know, the guy who helps prop up the Cowboys.
But maybe I should let Steven just gm. Well, Hey,
wouldn't that be a novel idea?
Speaker 5 (13:27):
According to what we heard yesterday, Stephen was unanimously in
on this, so he did.
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Speaker 1 (14:47):
We've been chatting about all different aspects of this trade.
One of the things that we talked about some yesterday
is David I call him moulah Getta because that's what
you've been doing. But David Mullaghetta and just his rolling
this and we've I heard Jerry say, we just had
Nick Harris's last hour, who's connected of course with the Cowboys.
He talked about it and maybe there was some missing uh.
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I don't want to call it misinterpretations. Uh, some backdoor
dealing between Jerry and Micah that we know can't happen,
by the way, duh with the CBA.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
We know that's something you can't do with Jerry Spery
familiar with that, do you know?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Kelvin?
Speaker 5 (15:23):
I got a call yesterday from Brian Donaldson, who's.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Both knowing the NFL. Yeah, yeah, that's not true per him.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
He says, there's nothing in the CBA that says an
agent has to be involved in these negotiations. Now, if
a player has an agent, that agent must be certified
by the NFLPA.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
But he called me yest night and sent me straight.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
He said, there's nothing in the CBN that says an
agent has to be involved with the negotiations.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Now, a player has the right to have an agent.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
But let me let me Yeah, that makes it, and
I'm obviously Brian's our guy, not trust him on that.
But I will add this though, for you sign with
an agent if you're Mike in this case, which clearly
they know his agent because they've had to do dealings
before you. He can't do a deal without his agent
because he is signed with his agent.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Agree.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
So I just wanted to make it clear like he
actually was the point of clarification, like they should. Really
the NFLPA needs to really figure this out in the
next CBA, because you wouldn't have this conversation otherwise.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Right now, that's a fair point. Shout out to Brian Donson,
our guy. Both of us know him. But I will
stand on the point that you knew you had to
do a deal with the guy, especially a big time agent,
right let's back of a small up and comer. Okay, whatever,
you know who this guy is and what he's about.
So the idea that we're gonna just sign something on
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a NAC and dap each other up and act like
we're gonna move forward.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You know that wouldn't happen.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
So but you you believe that maybe Jerry's telling the truth,
that hey, Mike and our a great relationship. We had
Nick Harris who came on and said that Michaeh was
one of the only three guys ever to have the
direct line to Jerry and that maybe we'll look at it,
gotten away and.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Screwed this up. So this is my this because this
is what I just had to think about this Jerry.
I watched all forty six minutes of Jerry Jones' press
availability yesterday after we got off of the year, and
I was, I know, it's very popular today to be
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like Jerry Blewett. And if we're gonna talk about what
Jerry could have had did last year and the year before,
and that's where we're gonna have the conversation, then I agree.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
But if we're gonna talk about to yesterday.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
And right now, it did Jerry Jones did not have
to me a lick of like any type of animosity
towards Michael Parsons had several opportunities. He only took what
I took it as like one veiled kind of shot
at what could have been condemed the deem does a
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shot at Michael when he said about hopefully if we
played the package, we'll lead and run the ball right,
because but that was it, And he said a million
different times in that presser, I offered Michael Parson as
a contract which had the most guaranteed money for a
defensive player in NFL history. And I get that Jerry
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does a lot of bluster. Jerry does a lot of
this and that. But if in fact that handshake deal right,
which we both agree is far from locked in. Right,
it's far from locked in, but they had it all
went out at that conversation. If Jerry goes to Mica
and that conversation, MIKEL appreciate your patience and waiting to
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get this deal done. We want to make you the highest.
We're going to give you the most guaranteed money of
any defensive player in NFL history. We see, we got
the quarterback, you see, we got the receiver. To me,
making a move like that says we want you to
be a part of our team. Michael Parsons, who at
every point prior to that August first trade demand said
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I am a cowboy for life. I am a cowboy lifer.
Giving up with we would have deemed to be like
the leveraging negotiation.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Right. He never once played at KOY.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
That's Dak Prescott was the one who played at KOY
a bunch of times.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
He said, I don't listen to Jerry Jones. I don't
do this and that.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Yesterday, for context, Jerry was asked, do you how do
you feel about moving forward with big contracts?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
You know, do you feel like there's gonna be an issue?
Speaker 5 (19:24):
He said, Ask Dak how it goes, Because to the credit,
we never saw any near the animosity with Dak in
his situation as we did with Jerry and Micah in
this situation. Every step of the way, Jerry said, the
agent got in the way. Michael Parsons up until Monday,
up until August first, explicitly said he wanted to be
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a cowboy. Jerry Jones offered him a contract. If you
believe what Jerry said in his press conference, I don't
know why you would lie, Like there's plenty of reasons
why he would lie, but like I feel like it's
too easily refutable to just flatly lie. And if I'm wrong,
then the journalists who are covering this on a day
to day basis should probably figure that out and out it.
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But if Jerry wanted to offer Michael the most guaranteed
money the defensive player has ever gotten in the NFL, right,
and apparently Rob you was telling me, was reported at
forty then again at forty five, which would have topped
all the deals currently at the times that they were offered.
It feels like Micah got this deal from Jerry said
this sounds good, went back to David Mulagetta, who is like, hey, no, no, no, bro,
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We're gonna blow the top off of this thing. And
then Jerry said, look, why was the agent trying to
get this headline when I'm trying to build a team,
And I get that. Just to me, it seems like this,
you have an agent. I don't have an agent, but
I have an understanding of how agents work. I believe
you have an agent. I'm mean to talk out of turn,
but that agent works for you, and it's supposed to
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represent what you want. He will give you advice, but
if you want to stay where you're at, that agent
is supposed to negotiate the best you can get for
where you're at. If you want to leave, then he's
supposed to negotiate the best that he can get for
you to leave. If Michael Parsons' goal was to have
the most money possible, then this is a win. If
Michael Parson's goal, which it seemed to be from everything
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he has said up until August, first, I want to
be a cowboy for life seemed to be. I wanted
to be a cowboy for life, and so that's why
I find it fascinating. He's talking right now, and I
know I've been long winded, but I'll pin it in this.
He's talking right now. I can't hear what he's saying. Obviously,
I'll go back and listen to this whole thing. I
would love to know what he says about the Dallas
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Cowboys in this pressure because to me, if it's anything
but I'm a Green Bay packer now, they made the
investment in me, I'm not looking back. If he says
anything about how I wanted to end my career in Dallas.
I wanted to stay in Dallas. I wanted to be
a cowboy. I love the cowboys growing up. Any of
that reminiscing thing. If he's not moved on like a
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true mercenary. Then I feel like we're looking at Tyreek
Hill two point zero on a lesser scale because the
Cowboys didn't have the same success as the Chiefs. You
had a guy who was on a Hall of Fame
track and Michael parsoner still on a Hall of Fame track,
and Tyreek Hill is still the same. But a guy
who really liked where he was at wanted to get
paid more than the team that he was at was
willing to offer him and looks back a few years
(22:17):
later and says, man, I kind of wish I was
where I was at, So.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
You said a lot. Let's let me backtrack on a
few things. One if we have our first conversation meeting
Jerry and Mikah and they're talking about the contract, as
we just had Nick Harriens talking about and it's been
out there that we know. The first time they had
this conversation was in March at a game. They're kicking it,
they're hanging out and blah blah, they're talking about the contract.
(22:42):
My goal and job as an agent is to say cool,
I understand y'all might have chopped it up and in
the contract came up and everything. I get that, but
it's March. It's early, and I'm not ready to have
that deal. And yet I should have been involved in
that right Also, I believe Michael wanted to. I believe
he said we meant what he said when he said
I'm willing to take less.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Money, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
But once in the process of negotiations, Martin, you talk
about agents. I know Kelvin Washington knows, let alone a
professional one of the best players in all the football
that should know. Like, there's a process that goes back,
that happened. There's negotiations. We want this, we want that. Okay,
the money's right, but we want another year. Oh we're
not gonna give you another year. Okay, the money's right,
(23:23):
but we want more of an incentives. So if he
gets twelve fifteen sacks, you give him an extra two milk.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
You get what I mean. There's back and forth.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's not as easy as just here's a dollar amount,
cool sign. There's a lot that goes into this. That
that's why money can get hired because of incentives or
that's why we have outs, little small.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Clauses in the contract where we can get out.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Trust me, I've had the been beneficiary of some of
these things.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
It matters.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And so if in the process of us going through
the negotiations, and again, I don't mind being a bad
guy if I'm David Moulah.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Getta, here's the issue.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
If all of a sudden, the guy who wants to
be here in Micah, now Jerry Jones, starts taking personal shots,
start questioning you know all he's missing games, making it
like he's all injury prone, and makes him out to me, Oh,
we had this deal.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I don't know why he's got to do that. That's
all about us.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And now you put me in weird positions with my
agent when you know how business goes, Jerry, why would
you now put me in this weird thing where I'm
going again, it's the guy who is being advantageous for me,
who's who's helping me.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Now you're trying to make it where I might have
beep with him.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
And then again now things start to get weird in
personal between Micah and Jerry. This is where again to me,
David Mullagetta says, all right, we might need to start
exploring some other options. So in the process of doing
business things are gonna get tricky, things are gonna get dicey.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
It doesn't have to get personal.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And I think that's where Micah started to want to
kind of shart tapping out.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
I wonder at what point, cause we as the talking
heads here on the radio, we remember things as they
get reported and may not be able to because we're
reacting to things as are happening.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
You got to slot things in a timeline.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
If that first meeting, like Nick Harris said, was where
it all went south because he went back to the
agent and the agent was not pleased with everything that happened.
Jerry went on that podcast with Michael Irvin and said, Mulagat,
can you say that on the radio?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Mulagat had said to stick it.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Up my Yeah, he's sticking up his ass like that
at no plight If Jerry I heard it as blufter
initially right, but if what if he's.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Not, what if it's on Let's say he really said it,
What does that matter?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
If so, that's my point.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
If he really said it, If your agent went to
your boss and told you to shove something up his ass,
then like I can understand where the negotiations might fall apart.
A bit like I can understand where two interested parties
who were trying to get a deal done and the
middleman in between. If he's I mean, and I haven't heard,
(25:59):
I heard Ryan Clark said that David Mulla get it
and said Jerry Jones said he said it to him right, So.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I'm take I'm gonna take him. Let's take him at
his word, Martin. Let's take Jerry's worth. He said that
you don't think at eighty two years old, an oil tycoon,
a man who was dealt with many a big time
deals with some violatile players, and Charles Haley was on
the team, you know, and violatle guys and viola little
agents over thirty plus years owned the team that it
(26:27):
ain't got real. We ain't said some talking, some smack,
but at the end of the day, if business need
to get done, business need to get done. Let me
also add to this, David Moulah get a. The reason
why I say that is because what he does is set.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
The market for his clients. Go over this again.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Jordan loved twenty twenty four negotiating four year deal two
undred twenty million dollars after like eight games were like
hold on, wait, he got that extension, We're likel is
he deserve it?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yet? What doesn't matter?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
He got it Antwine will Winfield Junior big time deal,
which had him be the highest paid defensive back at
that time last year twenty twenty four. Yeah, we already
know what de John Watson did. So my point is,
it seems like he knows what he's doing. It seems
like he isn't able to get guys the big money,
including Micah. And all I'm saying is if he says
(27:12):
he didn't say it, Jerry says he said it, let's
put it in the middle somewhere. Maybe he said, Jerry, no,
that's a terrible deal. He can shove it without the
a word or something. I didn't go there. Maybe he
didn't say that. Point is, dude, we're talking about millions
and hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts and negotiations,
and they can get tight, they can get contentis they.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Can get ugly.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I think Jerry is mad enough to be able to
be like, all right, Like that shouldn't be the thing
of all the things of forty years of dealings, that
that's this thing that set him back.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
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Speaker 1 (27:53):
Arch man and we had a chance to talk about
him throughout the week. I didn't get a chance to
talk about him much with you, Martin. I want to
let you offer this thought on arch Manning being obviously
the biggest talk.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
In fact, me and Rob j have argued about this.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
He wants people to already march for Arch and start
losing on purpose, start taking already my goy's can the
NFL season start? But you had an interesting comparison when
it came to arch Manning.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
So Sean King said it earlier today, and if you
want to go back and hear that, he said it
about an hour ago, bottom of the last hour, if
you're going to scroll back on the podcast. But how
can any respectable draft analyst have arch Manning as slated
right now as a number one overall pick. There is
(28:43):
nothing on tape or on film that shows that that
could be the case at this moment.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
If arch Manning.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Goes out on Saturday, God forbid, and breaks his legging,
is out for the entire season. There's enough out there
for Kyrie Irvin style when he came as a freshman
and only played eleven games at Duke, to know that
this is the number one overall pick. I think, no,
I just can't buy that. And I think what's happening
here is a very close cousin. No pun attended, because
(29:18):
you know the nephew deal of what happened with Shador
and Dion. Shador Sanders was the most popular football player
in college football the last two seasons. I don't think
it's close like once are the non Caleb Williams edition. Right,
if you want to go, even if you want to
(29:40):
make that, I'm leaving with you. I would argue he
was still more popular. Caleb might have been obviously the
better prospect, but right.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
It might have been the better prospect, better player. I'm
not saying that.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
I'm talking about the most popular because and the reason
why he was the most popular. The reason why Shador
Sanders was the most popular player in college ball was
not because of what he did at Jackson State. It
was because of the noise that it was arriving with
his father and with Dion Sanders. Now Shador however, you
(30:10):
won the Demons College's career. I think he had a
decent one. Like that's not for me to judge. Colorado
apparent it was great when they retired to Jersey. Either way,
Arch Manning has a handful of starts rights a peace
sign of starts two we're three, right, And when he
was throwing out there against Georgia after Sark kind of
(30:34):
benched quinn Ewers in the middle of that game, it
wasn't like Arch came in and was like just wheeling
and dealing and then he like it is phrase that
Arch sat behind quinn Eewers. Are we sure that Arch
didn't just not win the job? And I think those
are And that's fine if he didn't. But instead of
(30:57):
talking about how he is the next he ain't coming,
like Sean King has said initially, he's going in with
a blank slate.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
I'm with him on that.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
I don't know if Arch Manning is supposed to be
great because I've never seen him play. And unless you've
seen Texas practice, guess what, you haven't either, all.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Right, So.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
This is why I hear you, But I don't agree
with the overall premise because I do think seeing him practice,
I do think the prognosticators and the folks who would say,
you know, the elite scouts would say I saw this
when he was fifteen or sixteen. They would say, I've
been seeing this since he was in high school. And
(31:41):
that's what they do when it comes to these young
talented folks, and you can pick the sport, whether it
be MLB. We're hearing about Bryce Young before he really
was able to get on the scene.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Let's not even bring up a lebron right.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Because you're looking at the stature, you're looking at what
they're doing with their competition, and then you prognosticate what
could potentially be as well. And when you look at
what he was doing in high school, obviously one of
the best star five star with the best quarterbacks in
the country. You look at his size at six' four two.
Whatever you look at the difference between he and his.
(32:13):
Uncles they ain't running from. Nobody if it was between
the race and the, statue the statue might have a.
Chance Between peyton And. Eli now you got a guy
who has big time arms, strength who is maybe won't
ultimately be as accurate as A peyton or something like.
THAT i, mean he is just he was the sheriff
for a. Reason but he can sling that, thing and
he's mobile and he can. Run and we just As
Sean kings sit up here to tell me he ain't
(32:34):
gonna be like his.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Huncles he was more Like Josh allen Well.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Daign if you're telling me he's gonna be like THE
mvp That eli never, Was i'm gonna take.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
That that's the Same Sean king that said he's walking
into this thing with a blank. Slate on Arch, MANNING
i get the point that you're. Making i'm not taking.
AWAY i get that he has the, SIZE i get
that he has the, speed AND i get that He's cooper's,
son Not peyton And eli. Son so the boy can
run Because cooper play wide.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Receiver there's a great wide. Receiver, yes, Right SO i
get all of.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
That but the idea that we know that Arch manning
is like if you want to have a favorite for
The heisman because you Think texas would be really, good all.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Right i'm not having a big argument with.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
THAT i also, think don't think who the favorite at
a certain point in, time and a betting market is
as predictive as people make it out to, me simply
because somebody is the favorite today does not mean much
for who you. Know go back and look at who
the top five favorites FOR mvp at the start.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Of the year and who they are at the.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
END i know, This Jared golf And Sham darnold weren't
near the top of the list right at the start
of the. Season right at the end of the, season
they both would have finished in the top ten when
you break it all.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Down this is my. Point let's let him do something.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
First, Now i'm the first to tell you If Arch
manning walks into The horseshoe and throws a party On
Ryan day and The Ohio State, BUCKEYES i will come
in here On shaturday with An Arts MANNING t shirt
because he Beat Ohio. State BUT i am not still
about to sit up here and say that he's gonna
be the number one overall. Pick because all last YEAR
(34:10):
i Said Shad Door sanders was the best quarterback in the.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
CLASS i was dead.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Wrong BUT i had Seen shador play at least twelve
games at a high level and was watching him play
every single, YEAR i mean every single week leading up to,
it and now THAT i watch him, Play MOORE i was, Like,
OKAY i think it's gonna be Cam.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
WARD i think it's be Cam.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Ward but like the idea That Arts manning is you're
slated in your number one, spot the idea that if
you if you project you, said he'll be more Like Josh,
allen you Will Jor.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Burrow all, right, COOL i.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Get that whatever you want to had that, Conversation but
to say's the number one overall pick, today to me
IT'S i just don't understand.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
It, see but they see that.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Happens that happens at times when We Kayleb williams could
have been a number one, pick you, know the year
he won The, hides but he came.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Back we've done that all.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
But think about. That think about what you just, Said caleb.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Won The heisman. EXACTLY i hear you on.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
That but when they've had this thing locked in their
head that this person is that, guy and let alone
the pedigree in which he comes, with AND i do
believe that matters not so much is simply the, name
but the. Pedigree because Arch, Manning Archie manning played the,
position played at the high, level was in THE nfl for.
Years it would have been better if he was with
another team other than The. AINTS i, KNOW i knew
(35:18):
you were gonna say.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
That my. Bad i'm.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Sorry they was The aints then all.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Right and then when they telling, you, no, Man i'm telling,
YOU i got another.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
One my.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Son his Name's, peyton And peyton lives up to. That no,
Man i'm telling, YOU i got another. One it's my
son And ELI i kind of and they both become
number one. Picks i'm gonna jump on on the, limit
say they know what they're talking about when it comes
to the quarterback. Position and if they're looking At arch
and they're, like, oh he's one of the ones, Again
i'm gonna jump out on the limit and say they
(35:48):
seem to know what they're talking, about if nothing else
in the, world but with the quarterback, position they seem
to have that on. Lock so to, Me i'm looking
at what he was able to do in high, school
looking at the, size look at the, strip looking at the.
Pedigree i'm thinking this is absolutely gonna make. Sense now
to your, point he's gonna if he comes out and is,
(36:08):
terrible WHICH i don't see that, happening then, yeah we're
gonna have to. Reconsider BUT i absolutely believe he's on the.
TRACK i also don't believe he's coming out next year
BECAUSE i think he has A i think he wants
to have a college. EXPERIENCE i think he wants to
become A Texas longhortaned. LEGEND i think he wants to
be cemented and have a couple of years and try
to win a national. Title maybe A heisman comes with.
(36:30):
THAT i think he wants to have the full college.
Experience AND i just got kind of started for a
year AND i left, out SO i don't think he's
not pressed. Either he make nil, money and if he
didn't make a single dag on, dime he was good
financially with the fam and all of. That SO i
fully expect him to play two. Years, PERSONALLY i think
he wants to be a college. Legend look WHAT i
did for a couple of years starting and you have
(36:52):
to do that IN i don't think one year will
do it for, him just.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Him other guys have done the one. YEAR i don't
think he'll do.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
I will start with this shout out to Rob because
me and Rob had many a conversations obviously about this Micau,
about this Jerry Jones, and my whole thought process was,
you know, hopefully if you're Jerry Jones, this is what
you do is part for the chorus. Blah blah blah.
They're gonna find a way. And I'm not in the
business of wanting to trade my best player. Rob would say, hey,
(00:45):
if you can get a haul for him, you know,
you trade them. I think they ended up being split
somewhere down the middle because I don't think they got
a haul for one of the top maybe you know,
ten twelve players in the league. Sure, I don't think
you got a haul for that. I don't think you
got enough. And still stand that, and I think you
would agree we talked about it. That fine, if you're
gonna trade him, why trade him now when you could
(01:06):
have traded him earlier, right around the draft and actual
and actualized those two first round picks, right you could
have hate we got these things, we could turn right
around and use them. And so you could have done
it earlier. You could have done it last year. Maybe
even got more as as far as actual players and picks.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
So to me, it split down the middle.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
He could have got much more if he were going
to trade them based on when he could have traded him.
So now, Martin, we hear this coming out, that this
was a unanimous decision to trade him, And so, according
to Nick Harris of Fort Worth Star Telegram, sources behind
the scenes, they basically said the relationship between the Cowboys
(01:43):
and Micah had gotten so bad obviously over the last
few weeks with all the stuff going on, it was irreparable,
and that Jerry Jones and he confirmed it with other
people that listen, we're gonna have to make this trade,
and that you had the front office in, you had
some of the front facing players, some of the leaders
on the team that were consulting in this. They were
in and there was a unanimous decision once it got
(02:04):
to this point that it has the last couple of
weeks in including coach Brian Schottenheimer being involved in this
as well.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So to me, I look at this a couple of ways, Martin. One,
this is where we.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Got to I still stand a lot of the portion
is on Jerry Jones and the business and the way
he handled his business and the reasons why he.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Does what he does.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
That's how we got to this place where it became
a unanimous decision. So when you get when you don't
trade him when you had the opportunity, as we mentioned it,
well now you're kind of forced to get what you
can get, right, I will just take what we can get.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
When you could have had.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
More people who were throwing out offers, had you talked
about this a few months ago, or even before the draft,
more teams jump in right, Hey, well shoot, Micah's up.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I'll give you.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
This could have had much more a bigger feel to
choose from.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
So Number one, I blame that on Jerry and the
way handle it.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
You could have traded him a couple of years ago
when your front office and your team came to you. Hey, man,
if we're gonna trade Michael right now. You know, we
gotta pay him at some point. We don't want to.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It's'ld be a great time to do it. He's youngest,
twenty four, he's in all pro.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
We can get a lot for him. Nah, we're gonna
keep him a couple of years. I'nna sign him. That
doesn't happen. You don't sign them, you trade, you don't
get that much. So of course you forced your hand
to where now you can't go back. Michael's upset. Micah's
causing a fuss. He's laying on the training table. He's
eating popcorn. He's telling Atlanta Falcons fans to call him.
You're over here yelling it. You're going at it with
(03:26):
the agent. You've got to the place so there is
no return. Now, since we're here, let me offer you this, Martin.
When a relationship ends, you've been in a relationship. Hopefully
the one you're in never gonna end because you just
got married. Congrats again, thank you. But you've been in
ones that have We all have. And and by the way,
relationship don't have to be romantic. You can be business
(03:47):
and partners. It could be homeboys, your friend and that
is a two sided coin. I say that to say,
all right, here we are, now this relationship ended. Well, Michaeh,
let me offer you this. This is a chance for
you to hit reset. This is a chance for you
to say, well, dang, if everybody's saying I'm crazy, maybe
(04:08):
I am. And what I mean by that, Michael Martin,
is that if everybody, Jerry, get it right, Michaeh, Yeah,
you're not crazy. Yeah, let me get back this where
you are a little crazy on you know, part time
on Tuesdays and Thursdays. But look, if we get reports
that they're questioning his leadership right his own team, if
we get reports that you had many many come to
(04:32):
the coaches and say, hey, man, I don't know what
to do with this guy.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Hey, this guy's getting a little beside himself.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
We have his own players coming out on podcasts saying
they don't like what he says on podcasts.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And we know what he's done. He's jumped in other
people's money.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That's one of the things all athletes tell you, and man,
don't talk about my money.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
That's between me and ownership.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You don't jump in another man's money and putting opinions
out there on that. He's done that. He's talked about
his own coaching staff. He's questioned them when they lost
in the playoffs. Sagreen, Hey calling them out. I'm not
the one putting me out there, y'all, man, I'm a linebacker.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
They too it. I don't call the players up.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
When you have all of these things starting to happen,
you have you're supposed to be the best player in
the leader. Now it's time to self reflect, right, Okay,
so wipe your hands clean.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I'm going to Green Bay. What do I need to do?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Because there's two parts, two reasons why our relationship beens.
It ain't just them. How do you improve? So to me,
this reset Micah is a great time for Micah to
look in the mirror and say, I got to become
a better leader. There's ways I can get better defensively,
And just because I can doesn't mean I should have
a podcast. Because I'm hurting my teammates feelings and putting
(05:40):
things out there for fodder that comes back at them.
I'm dak Is all of a sudden getting shots thinking
I'm taking a shot to him because I don't mention
him in the top ten quarterbacks and now dak is
sitting there coming out of practice. We should be talking
about what happened on the practice field. I got to
answer questions of these. So you had your fun a
few years of the podcast, you did some good things
with it.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Great.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Now it's trying to buckle down, bunker down. And to me,
it's okay for you to reset, it's okay for you
to reassess, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
For you to switch up how you've been doing things.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
And to me, I look at this opportunity for Micah
as well, because you don't come off this thing scathe.
They're you know, free and spotless and flawless. You've got
some things you need to change.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
So I think what's fascinating is because we all were
looking at this again this trade shout out to Ricky
Schmokes or Scoops or whatever his name was on Twitter
a few days ago, but before that, it was before that,
and then Brian Cooton goes kind of not just out
really laughing and said, are you guys are listening to
Twitter trolls?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Don't you know?
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Let's eat Line's app and kind of giving it like
not not a non answer.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
It's like Wait a minute, is this real?
Speaker 5 (06:47):
So we all kind of thought that the deal was
gonna get done this entire time.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
And one of the.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Things that I've made me feel different about this the
whole time I've been I've been working for people who
have been locked in to every move of Jerry Jones
for almost the last ten years.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I've seen.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
I saw that I've covered the Zeke negotiations from Afar
in a national scale. I'm not saying I'm in the
Star are there every day? But I covered two DAC
everyday news cycle. How are we getting this done? Covered
the Zeke one. The one that made this different is
when you looked at just the last four to three
(07:26):
years of the Cowboys, especially the last two years of
the Cowboys, as Michael Parson's star began to grow bigger
than the one that was just on his helmet. Right
when Michael Parsons was drafted, you remember he had sat
out his COVID year, so he was kind of and
it was like the eleventh picking the draft or twelfth
picking the draft. So people were high on him as
(07:48):
a prospect, but it was kind of like, oh, does
he love football? All the things that people will say
about any draft picked. Then he comes in and I
remember Tej hous Manzada, who's on this network, told me
after two games Michael Parsons should never drop back in
the coverage again.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
That boy is a hall of fame. At Rusher, I
was like, oh, TJ, you've been a little no, no.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
No, he's he's like that, right, he's like that, and
to that point, Michael Parsons since that point has been
like that. But the Cowboys, Jerry is the one whose
name's on front of the check, right. Jerry's signing in
front of that thing, not the back. He's not endorse.
He the check to cash, and Jerry's the one who's
(08:27):
signing the front of it. And you can deal with
a little bit of noise from the man in charge, right,
because demand in charge is demand in charge. But by
Wednesday of the Cowboys week, it's about what Michael Parson's
had to say. And a lot of times Michael Parsons
will say, well, Jerry said, we're all in.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Where's the all in? Do you know?
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Like this type of situation, there is no Tuesday owner
conversation in Green Bay. Michael Parsons will be the story.
If you can tell us this podcast along the Way.
I don't see it stopping for the record. But I
also don't see like Michael Parson's ostensibly, in my opinion,
(09:09):
has gotten a bit of a pass for the things
he has said along the way because Jerry is the
foil on the other side of this thing. It's like
if a first, it's like if jj Reddick had went
on and won a championship in year one, nobody would
have gave him the credit for it because everybody said, well,
he's the Bronz guy, even if jj Reddick was instrumental
(09:31):
in developing the talent and drawing everything up. And it's like,
you can directly point to why jj Reddick did all
these things that Darvingham couldn't, so on and so forth.
Everybody that's Lebrons guy. You know he's gonna win it anyway.
That's kind of how it probably would sound. That's just
not that that foil, that other big personality doesn't exist
(09:52):
in Green Bay. Michael Parsons is the big personality. He
is going to be. He's taking his star to Green Bay,
and there's nobody who even comes close to rivaling When
Michael Parson says something, he's going to be the biggest
voice in the organization.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
See absolutely.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And that's why to me, Mark, if he were to
go there doing all that, it could backfire in the
sense of if you're if.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Also, I don't want to cut you off, but let's
just say you say if I don't think anything about
Michael Parsons says he's going to stop do you no?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
But there's a massive butt though.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
There's a point in everybody's life where you're offering an
opportunity to say, maybe I can mix it up a
little bit, maybe I do the podcast in a different form.
Nobody's saying, don't ever speak about things. But the idea
that you're speaking about your teammates behind their back is
kind of crazy. And what I mean is we just
lose the game. You go on your podcast. We shouldn't
have did that.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I don't like I ain't the one.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
That's different than if he goes to the podcast say
with me and you and him and we're talking about
Marvel movies. So nobody's saying you can't do a podcast.
It's in the sense of the way in what you're
doing and can conduct a business, you're throwing coach.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Under the bus.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Nobody like dude, we're supposed to be all in the
bunker hole together, right, Me and you, Me and you
were doing the show. Obviously, me and Rob Parker do
the show. We all we gotta be in his bunker together,
and we gotta havesh some stuff out, all right, Yo,
let's go do lunch. Me you Roberie, what's up? Let's
go but tee idea to go on air. He ain't
here bashing.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I don't like he know that. Like, dude, come on,
we're in this thing.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Talk to me.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Let's figure it out, let's grow, let's build report, let's chemistry.
And I'm saying that type of thing, especially in a
town that is close knit, in the town that doesn't
have ownership, in the town that's kind of done it
their own way. We're not a big city. We kind
of have our own quirky ways. I think that could
grow very tiresome. At least in Dallas. It's the big Deed.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
It's got other kid, it's got the Mavericks, he's got
other things in the city. It's a lot going on. Dude.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You come here with all that loudness. When we're chill,
you don't hear nothing, you know, Jordan Love. He speaks,
but he's never really saying anything crazy, and up until
the last little bit, Aaron Rodgers wasn't say much. I'm
just saying that could be too much, especially for a
guy who's new and doesn't have equity. You're not a
draft pick. We haven't grown with you for seven years.
So that's what I'm saying. It's not that you can't
ever talk about things, but dude, question the teammates and
(12:06):
this and why we did that on its usually taboo.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Kelvin, you sure you didn't get equity in that deal?
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
He might have got some equity out of that deal.
The ownership group is fluid in Green Bay. He might
have gotten a little equity as much money as they
offered him and he signed for.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I gotta check the CBA.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I gotta check the CBA to see if he can
if he can get some ownerships by some other way.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
So maybe put in his mama name or something.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
My last point on this one, though, with the with
the Micah thing and the Jerry and the unanimous, there
are not many of these stories. However, in the time
that Jerry's been there, there have been times quite famously
the one that comes to mind first, where Johnny Manziel.
He said, I want Johnny Manziel and Stephen Jones and
ask anybody to tell the story.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Jery tell you himself.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Stephen Jones said, no, draft Zach Martin, don't draft Johnny
Manziel And the rest is history is Jack Martin all
ring Avanner guy, Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Caliber guy for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I think that Jerry when he says this was unanimous decision.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
I believe them.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I believe Well, well, what I just heard you say
was maybe I should listen to Steven More. That's just
what I heard. I just heard you say. Maybe I
should continue to be the owner, the marketer, the the
you know, the guy who helps prop up the Cowboys.
But maybe I should let Steven just gm. Well, Hey,
wouldn't that be a novel idea?
Speaker 5 (13:27):
According to what we heard yesterday, Stephen was unanimously in
on this, so he did.
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Speaker 1 (14:47):
We've been chatting about all different aspects of this trade.
One of the things that we talked about some yesterday
is David I call him moulah Getta because that's what
you've been doing. But David Mullaghetta and just his rolling
this and we've I heard Jerry say, we just had
Nick Harris's last hour, who's connected of course with the Cowboys.
He talked about it and maybe there was some missing uh.
(15:09):
I don't want to call it misinterpretations. Uh, some backdoor
dealing between Jerry and Micah that we know can't happen,
by the way, duh with the CBA.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
We know that's something you can't do with Jerry Spery
familiar with that, do you know?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Kelvin?
Speaker 5 (15:23):
I got a call yesterday from Brian Donaldson, who's.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Both knowing the NFL. Yeah, yeah, that's not true per him.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
He says, there's nothing in the CBA that says an
agent has to be involved in these negotiations. Now, if
a player has an agent, that agent must be certified
by the NFLPA.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
But he called me yest night and sent me straight.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
He said, there's nothing in the CBN that says an
agent has to be involved with the negotiations.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Now, a player has the right to have an agent.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
But let me let me Yeah, that makes it, and
I'm obviously Brian's our guy, not trust him on that.
But I will add this though, for you sign with
an agent if you're Mike in this case, which clearly
they know his agent because they've had to do dealings
before you. He can't do a deal without his agent
because he is signed with his agent.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Agree.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
So I just wanted to make it clear like he
actually was the point of clarification, like they should. Really
the NFLPA needs to really figure this out in the
next CBA, because you wouldn't have this conversation otherwise.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Right now, that's a fair point. Shout out to Brian Donson,
our guy. Both of us know him. But I will
stand on the point that you knew you had to
do a deal with the guy, especially a big time agent,
right let's back of a small up and comer. Okay, whatever,
you know who this guy is and what he's about.
So the idea that we're gonna just sign something on
(16:42):
a NAC and dap each other up and act like
we're gonna move forward.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You know that wouldn't happen.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
So but you you believe that maybe Jerry's telling the truth,
that hey, Mike and our a great relationship. We had
Nick Harris who came on and said that Michaeh was
one of the only three guys ever to have the
direct line to Jerry and that maybe we'll look at it,
gotten away and.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Screwed this up. So this is my this because this
is what I just had to think about this Jerry.
I watched all forty six minutes of Jerry Jones' press
availability yesterday after we got off of the year, and
I was, I know, it's very popular today to be
(17:22):
like Jerry Blewett. And if we're gonna talk about what
Jerry could have had did last year and the year before,
and that's where we're gonna have the conversation, then I agree.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
But if we're gonna talk about to yesterday.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
And right now, it did Jerry Jones did not have
to me a lick of like any type of animosity
towards Michael Parsons had several opportunities. He only took what
I took it as like one veiled kind of shot
at what could have been condemed the deem does a
(17:56):
shot at Michael when he said about hopefully if we
played the package, we'll lead and run the ball right,
because but that was it, And he said a million
different times in that presser, I offered Michael Parson as
a contract which had the most guaranteed money for a
defensive player in NFL history. And I get that Jerry
(18:18):
does a lot of bluster. Jerry does a lot of
this and that. But if in fact that handshake deal right,
which we both agree is far from locked in. Right,
it's far from locked in, but they had it all
went out at that conversation. If Jerry goes to Mica
and that conversation, MIKEL appreciate your patience and waiting to
(18:39):
get this deal done. We want to make you the highest.
We're going to give you the most guaranteed money of
any defensive player in NFL history. We see, we got
the quarterback, you see, we got the receiver. To me,
making a move like that says we want you to
be a part of our team. Michael Parsons, who at
every point prior to that August first trade demand said
(19:00):
I am a cowboy for life. I am a cowboy lifer.
Giving up with we would have deemed to be like
the leveraging negotiation.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Right. He never once played at KOY.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
That's Dak Prescott was the one who played at KOY
a bunch of times.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
He said, I don't listen to Jerry Jones. I don't
do this and that.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Yesterday, for context, Jerry was asked, do you how do
you feel about moving forward with big contracts?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
You know, do you feel like there's gonna be an issue?
Speaker 5 (19:24):
He said, Ask Dak how it goes, Because to the credit,
we never saw any near the animosity with Dak in
his situation as we did with Jerry and Micah in
this situation. Every step of the way, Jerry said, the
agent got in the way. Michael Parsons up until Monday,
up until August first, explicitly said he wanted to be
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a cowboy. Jerry Jones offered him a contract. If you
believe what Jerry said in his press conference, I don't
know why you would lie, Like there's plenty of reasons
why he would lie, but like I feel like it's
too easily refutable to just flatly lie. And if I'm wrong,
then the journalists who are covering this on a day
to day basis should probably figure that out and out it.
(20:07):
But if Jerry wanted to offer Michael the most guaranteed
money the defensive player has ever gotten in the NFL, right,
and apparently Rob you was telling me, was reported at
forty then again at forty five, which would have topped
all the deals currently at the times that they were offered.
It feels like Micah got this deal from Jerry said
this sounds good, went back to David Mulagetta, who is like, hey, no, no, no, bro,
(20:30):
We're gonna blow the top off of this thing. And
then Jerry said, look, why was the agent trying to
get this headline when I'm trying to build a team,
And I get that. Just to me, it seems like this,
you have an agent. I don't have an agent, but
I have an understanding of how agents work. I believe
you have an agent. I'm mean to talk out of turn,
but that agent works for you, and it's supposed to
(20:51):
represent what you want. He will give you advice, but
if you want to stay where you're at, that agent
is supposed to negotiate the best you can get for
where you're at. If you want to leave, then he's
supposed to negotiate the best that he can get for
you to leave. If Michael Parsons' goal was to have
the most money possible, then this is a win. If
Michael Parson's goal, which it seemed to be from everything
(21:15):
he has said up until August, first, I want to
be a cowboy for life seemed to be. I wanted
to be a cowboy for life, and so that's why
I find it fascinating. He's talking right now, and I
know I've been long winded, but I'll pin it in this.
He's talking right now. I can't hear what he's saying. Obviously,
I'll go back and listen to this whole thing. I
would love to know what he says about the Dallas
(21:35):
Cowboys in this pressure because to me, if it's anything
but I'm a Green Bay packer now, they made the
investment in me, I'm not looking back. If he says
anything about how I wanted to end my career in Dallas.
I wanted to stay in Dallas. I wanted to be
a cowboy. I love the cowboys growing up. Any of
that reminiscing thing. If he's not moved on like a
(21:55):
true mercenary. Then I feel like we're looking at Tyreek
Hill two point zero on a lesser scale because the
Cowboys didn't have the same success as the Chiefs. You
had a guy who was on a Hall of Fame
track and Michael parsoner still on a Hall of Fame track,
and Tyreek Hill is still the same. But a guy
who really liked where he was at wanted to get
paid more than the team that he was at was
willing to offer him and looks back a few years
(22:17):
later and says, man, I kind of wish I was
where I was at, So.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
You said a lot. Let's let me backtrack on a
few things. One if we have our first conversation meeting
Jerry and Mikah and they're talking about the contract, as
we just had Nick Harriens talking about and it's been
out there that we know. The first time they had
this conversation was in March at a game. They're kicking it,
they're hanging out and blah blah, they're talking about the contract.
(22:42):
My goal and job as an agent is to say cool,
I understand y'all might have chopped it up and in
the contract came up and everything. I get that, but
it's March. It's early, and I'm not ready to have
that deal. And yet I should have been involved in
that right Also, I believe Michael wanted to. I believe
he said we meant what he said when he said
I'm willing to take less.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Money, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
But once in the process of negotiations, Martin, you talk
about agents. I know Kelvin Washington knows, let alone a
professional one of the best players in all the football
that should know. Like, there's a process that goes back,
that happened. There's negotiations. We want this, we want that. Okay,
the money's right, but we want another year. Oh we're
not gonna give you another year. Okay, the money's right,
(23:23):
but we want more of an incentives. So if he
gets twelve fifteen sacks, you give him an extra two milk.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
You get what I mean. There's back and forth.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's not as easy as just here's a dollar amount,
cool sign. There's a lot that goes into this. That
that's why money can get hired because of incentives or
that's why we have outs, little small.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Clauses in the contract where we can get out.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Trust me, I've had the been beneficiary of some of
these things.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
It matters.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And so if in the process of us going through
the negotiations, and again, I don't mind being a bad
guy if I'm David Moulah.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Getta, here's the issue.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
If all of a sudden, the guy who wants to
be here in Micah, now Jerry Jones, starts taking personal shots,
start questioning you know all he's missing games, making it
like he's all injury prone, and makes him out to me, Oh,
we had this deal.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I don't know why he's got to do that. That's
all about us.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And now you put me in weird positions with my
agent when you know how business goes, Jerry, why would
you now put me in this weird thing where I'm
going again, it's the guy who is being advantageous for me,
who's who's helping me.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Now you're trying to make it where I might have
beep with him.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
And then again now things start to get weird in
personal between Micah and Jerry. This is where again to me,
David Mullagetta says, all right, we might need to start
exploring some other options. So in the process of doing
business things are gonna get tricky, things are gonna get dicey.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
It doesn't have to get personal.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And I think that's where Micah started to want to
kind of shart tapping out.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
I wonder at what point, cause we as the talking
heads here on the radio, we remember things as they
get reported and may not be able to because we're
reacting to things as are happening.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
You got to slot things in a timeline.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
If that first meeting, like Nick Harris said, was where
it all went south because he went back to the
agent and the agent was not pleased with everything that happened.
Jerry went on that podcast with Michael Irvin and said, Mulagat,
can you say that on the radio?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Mulagat had said to stick it.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Up my Yeah, he's sticking up his ass like that
at no plight If Jerry I heard it as blufter
initially right, but if what if he's.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Not, what if it's on Let's say he really said it,
What does that matter?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
If so, that's my point.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
If he really said it, If your agent went to
your boss and told you to shove something up his ass,
then like I can understand where the negotiations might fall apart.
A bit like I can understand where two interested parties
who were trying to get a deal done and the
middleman in between. If he's I mean, and I haven't heard,
(25:59):
I heard Ryan Clark said that David Mulla get it
and said Jerry Jones said he said it to him right, So.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I'm take I'm gonna take him. Let's take him at
his word, Martin. Let's take Jerry's worth. He said that
you don't think at eighty two years old, an oil tycoon,
a man who was dealt with many a big time
deals with some violatile players, and Charles Haley was on
the team, you know, and violatle guys and viola little
agents over thirty plus years owned the team that it
(26:27):
ain't got real. We ain't said some talking, some smack,
but at the end of the day, if business need
to get done, business need to get done. Let me
also add to this, David Moulah get a. The reason
why I say that is because what he does is set.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
The market for his clients. Go over this again.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Jordan loved twenty twenty four negotiating four year deal two
undred twenty million dollars after like eight games were like
hold on, wait, he got that extension, We're likel is
he deserve it?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yet? What doesn't matter?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
He got it Antwine will Winfield Junior big time deal,
which had him be the highest paid defensive back at
that time last year twenty twenty four. Yeah, we already
know what de John Watson did. So my point is,
it seems like he knows what he's doing. It seems
like he isn't able to get guys the big money,
including Micah. And all I'm saying is if he says
(27:12):
he didn't say it, Jerry says he said it, let's
put it in the middle somewhere. Maybe he said, Jerry, no,
that's a terrible deal. He can shove it without the
a word or something. I didn't go there. Maybe he
didn't say that. Point is, dude, we're talking about millions
and hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts and negotiations,
and they can get tight, they can get contentis they.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Can get ugly.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I think Jerry is mad enough to be able to
be like, all right, Like that shouldn't be the thing
of all the things of forty years of dealings, that
that's this thing that set him back.
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Speaker 1 (27:53):
Arch man and we had a chance to talk about
him throughout the week. I didn't get a chance to
talk about him much with you, Martin. I want to
let you offer this thought on arch Manning being obviously
the biggest talk.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
In fact, me and Rob j have argued about this.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
He wants people to already march for Arch and start
losing on purpose, start taking already my goy's can the
NFL season start? But you had an interesting comparison when
it came to arch Manning.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
So Sean King said it earlier today, and if you
want to go back and hear that, he said it
about an hour ago, bottom of the last hour, if
you're going to scroll back on the podcast. But how
can any respectable draft analyst have arch Manning as slated
right now as a number one overall pick. There is
(28:43):
nothing on tape or on film that shows that that
could be the case at this moment.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
If arch Manning.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Goes out on Saturday, God forbid, and breaks his legging,
is out for the entire season. There's enough out there
for Kyrie Irvin style when he came as a freshman
and only played eleven games at Duke, to know that
this is the number one overall pick. I think, no,
I just can't buy that. And I think what's happening
here is a very close cousin. No pun attended, because
(29:18):
you know the nephew deal of what happened with Shador
and Dion. Shador Sanders was the most popular football player
in college football the last two seasons. I don't think
it's close like once are the non Caleb Williams edition. Right,
if you want to go, even if you want to
(29:40):
make that, I'm leaving with you. I would argue he
was still more popular. Caleb might have been obviously the
better prospect, but right.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
It might have been the better prospect, better player. I'm
not saying that.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
I'm talking about the most popular because and the reason
why he was the most popular. The reason why Shador
Sanders was the most popular player in college ball was
not because of what he did at Jackson State. It
was because of the noise that it was arriving with
his father and with Dion Sanders. Now Shador however, you
(30:10):
won the Demons College's career. I think he had a
decent one. Like that's not for me to judge. Colorado
apparent it was great when they retired to Jersey. Either way,
Arch Manning has a handful of starts rights a peace
sign of starts two we're three, right, And when he
was throwing out there against Georgia after Sark kind of
(30:34):
benched quinn Ewers in the middle of that game, it
wasn't like Arch came in and was like just wheeling
and dealing and then he like it is phrase that
Arch sat behind quinn Eewers. Are we sure that Arch
didn't just not win the job? And I think those
are And that's fine if he didn't. But instead of
(30:57):
talking about how he is the next he ain't coming,
like Sean King has said initially, he's going in with
a blank slate.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
I'm with him on that.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
I don't know if Arch Manning is supposed to be
great because I've never seen him play. And unless you've
seen Texas practice, guess what, you haven't either, all.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Right, So.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
This is why I hear you, But I don't agree
with the overall premise because I do think seeing him practice,
I do think the prognosticators and the folks who would say,
you know, the elite scouts would say I saw this
when he was fifteen or sixteen. They would say, I've
been seeing this since he was in high school. And
(31:41):
that's what they do when it comes to these young
talented folks, and you can pick the sport, whether it
be MLB. We're hearing about Bryce Young before he really
was able to get on the scene.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Let's not even bring up a lebron right.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Because you're looking at the stature, you're looking at what
they're doing with their competition, and then you prognosticate what
could potentially be as well. And when you look at
what he was doing in high school, obviously one of
the best star five star with the best quarterbacks in
the country. You look at his size at six' four two.
Whatever you look at the difference between he and his.
(32:13):
Uncles they ain't running from. Nobody if it was between
the race and the, statue the statue might have a.
Chance Between peyton And. Eli now you got a guy
who has big time arms, strength who is maybe won't
ultimately be as accurate as A peyton or something like.
THAT i, mean he is just he was the sheriff
for a. Reason but he can sling that, thing and
he's mobile and he can. Run and we just As
Sean kings sit up here to tell me he ain't
(32:34):
gonna be like his.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Huncles he was more Like Josh allen Well.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Daign if you're telling me he's gonna be like THE
mvp That eli never, Was i'm gonna take.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
That that's the Same Sean king that said he's walking
into this thing with a blank. Slate on Arch, MANNING
i get the point that you're. Making i'm not taking.
AWAY i get that he has the, SIZE i get
that he has the, speed AND i get that He's cooper's,
son Not peyton And eli. Son so the boy can
run Because cooper play wide.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Receiver there's a great wide. Receiver, yes, Right SO i
get all of.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
That but the idea that we know that Arch manning
is like if you want to have a favorite for
The heisman because you Think texas would be really, good all.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Right i'm not having a big argument with.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
THAT i also, think don't think who the favorite at
a certain point in, time and a betting market is
as predictive as people make it out to, me simply
because somebody is the favorite today does not mean much
for who you. Know go back and look at who
the top five favorites FOR mvp at the start.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Of the year and who they are at the.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
END i know, This Jared golf And Sham darnold weren't
near the top of the list right at the start
of the. Season right at the end of the, season
they both would have finished in the top ten when
you break it all.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Down this is my. Point let's let him do something.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
First, Now i'm the first to tell you If Arch
manning walks into The horseshoe and throws a party On
Ryan day and The Ohio State, BUCKEYES i will come
in here On shaturday with An Arts MANNING t shirt
because he Beat Ohio. State BUT i am not still
about to sit up here and say that he's gonna
be the number one overall. Pick because all last YEAR
(34:10):
i Said Shad Door sanders was the best quarterback in the.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
CLASS i was dead.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Wrong BUT i had Seen shador play at least twelve
games at a high level and was watching him play
every single, YEAR i mean every single week leading up to,
it and now THAT i watch him, Play MOORE i was, Like,
OKAY i think it's gonna be Cam.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
WARD i think it's be Cam.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Ward but like the idea That Arts manning is you're
slated in your number one, spot the idea that if
you if you project you, said he'll be more Like Josh,
allen you Will Jor.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Burrow all, right, COOL i.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Get that whatever you want to had that, Conversation but
to say's the number one overall pick, today to me
IT'S i just don't understand.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
It, see but they see that.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Happens that happens at times when We Kayleb williams could
have been a number one, pick you, know the year
he won The, hides but he came.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Back we've done that all.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
But think about. That think about what you just, Said caleb.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Won The heisman. EXACTLY i hear you on.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
That but when they've had this thing locked in their
head that this person is that, guy and let alone
the pedigree in which he comes, with AND i do
believe that matters not so much is simply the, name
but the. Pedigree because Arch, Manning Archie manning played the,
position played at the high, level was in THE nfl for.
Years it would have been better if he was with
another team other than The. AINTS i, KNOW i knew
(35:18):
you were gonna say.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
That my. Bad i'm.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Sorry they was The aints then all.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Right and then when they telling, you, no, Man i'm telling,
YOU i got another.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
One my.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Son his Name's, peyton And peyton lives up to. That no,
Man i'm telling, YOU i got another. One it's my
son And ELI i kind of and they both become
number one. Picks i'm gonna jump on on the, limit
say they know what they're talking about when it comes
to the quarterback. Position and if they're looking At arch
and they're, like, oh he's one of the ones, Again
i'm gonna jump out on the limit and say they
(35:48):
seem to know what they're talking, about if nothing else
in the, world but with the quarterback, position they seem
to have that on. Lock so to, Me i'm looking
at what he was able to do in high, school
looking at the, size look at the, strip looking at the.
Pedigree i'm thinking this is absolutely gonna make. Sense now
to your, point he's gonna if he comes out and is,
(36:08):
terrible WHICH i don't see that, happening then, yeah we're
gonna have to. Reconsider BUT i absolutely believe he's on the.
TRACK i also don't believe he's coming out next year
BECAUSE i think he has A i think he wants
to have a college. EXPERIENCE i think he wants to
become A Texas longhortaned. LEGEND i think he wants to
be cemented and have a couple of years and try
to win a national. Title maybe A heisman comes with.
(36:30):
THAT i think he wants to have the full college.
Experience AND i just got kind of started for a
year AND i left, out SO i don't think he's
not pressed. Either he make nil, money and if he
didn't make a single dag on, dime he was good
financially with the fam and all of. That SO i
fully expect him to play two. Years, PERSONALLY i think
he wants to be a college. Legend look WHAT i
did for a couple of years starting and you have
(36:52):
to do that IN i don't think one year will
do it for, him just.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Him other guys have done the one. YEAR i don't
think he'll do.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
That
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