September 8, 2025 • 38 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether John Harbaugh should be fired after yet another in-game meltdown by the Baltimore Ravens and how much blame Lamar Jackson deserves in all of this, provide up-to-the-minute analysis of Caleb Williams’ 2025 debut with the Chicago Bears, and argue whether we should expect Aaron Rodgers to continue playing like a top-tier quarterback this season for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Plus, former Pro Bowl wide receiver and Up On Game co-host TJ Houshmandzadeh swings by to discuss why he’s picking the Los Angeles Chargers and the Green Bay Packers to make the Super Bowl, his concern level about the Cincinnati Bengals, what makes Josh Allen such a special talent, why he’s not worried about Harbaugh and the Ravens, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Can we talk about the meltdown that happened last night
with the Ravens who were up with four and a
half minutes to go forty to twenty five. People were
looking going, my goodness, gracious, look at them roll on
the road of first game of the year, right forty
points on the roll was impressedove it was and then
the rains came as far as them melting down.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
And then Josh Allen put on his Superman cape and
save Krypton. That's right, because the Baltimore Ravens you mentioned
it led by fifteen points under five minutes to go
in the game. Before last night, NFL teams had won
seven hundred and seventeen consecutive games in that scenario. In fact,
the last team last time a team lost a game
like that was in twenty seventeen. It gets worse though. Baltimore,
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with about seven minutes left in the game, according to
ESPN win probability Index, had a ninety eight point seven
percent chance of winning the game, and they lost. It
was the eight times in twenty twenty one that they
lost the game with at least a ninety percent win probability,
three more than the next closest team.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I got some more numbers for you. Check this out.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
The Ravens became the first team in NFL history to
lose a game where they had forty plus points and
two hundred and thirty five plus rushing yards. NFL teams
are now two seventy seven and one in that situation.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
According to the Associated this reminds me of that Knicks
playoff game my next to the Celtics, Right, that's same
same kind of deal, right, like just the game, you
can't believe it.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
And then here's the worst one if you're a Harball
fan or if you're a Harball family member. Head coach
John Harbaugh now has the most losses with a ten
plus point second half lead seventeen by any head coach
in at least the last thirty five season.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
All right, and I want you to go right there.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
All the people we know the easy pointing of the finger,
and I've heard it all day. Lamar should have just
run for the first down. Okay, blame Lamar even though
he played a really good game.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Derek Henry I fumble, blah blah blah, that was the game.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I'm done with both of those guys.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
As far as that, I'm going to be lazy and
just pick one of those two players and say they're
the reason why. If I was ownership of the Baltimore
Ravens last night, I would have fired John Harball. John
Harbaugh should be fired as cod of the Baltimore Ravens.
(03:02):
This happens Kelvin way too often with the talent that
they have. Rob g just told you seventeen times they've
given up double digit leads in the second seventeen.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I get it. He won a super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
It doesn't mean you're a pope or a Supreme Court
justice and you get to have your job forever.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Because you won a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Starting to remind me of Mike McCarthy with the Packers.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
They won a super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Disappointment after disappointment after disappointment. One day you wake up
and Aaron Rodgers hasn't won in ten years? Right, seriously,
stop giving Harvard pass. Do you remember the playoff game
in the AFC Championship against the Chiefs when they had
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some game playing where Lamar threw the ball down instead
of running.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Remember that that was another one.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
I can go on and on and on about the
bad situations, the bad losses, and there's one common denominator.
It's John Harball. Its's time. Stop it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
He won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
You would again, sometimes you have to make that hard decision.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I get it. There aren't that many coaches with a
Super Bowl in.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Their back pocket. But man, it's Lamar's eighth year with
John Harby.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Keep playing.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
You wake up one day and ten or twelve years
will have gone by and you'll say, what happened?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
He never won.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
If you can't get fired off of a piss poor
finish like that, you can never get get fired. Timbs,
Tom Thibodeau. You know why he got fired because he
had performance like that. He had gotten the Knicks shoot
up the furthest they had gone and since Moby Dick
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was a guppy, and they laid a terrible egg in
a big situation that was supposed to be a revenge
redemption game. They were supposed to storm the rust of
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
After that, forty points on the road in Buffalo and
they go home with a l.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
The L they went home with was John Harball. He
was the L they went home with. John Harball definitely
gets some of the smoke.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
You got seventeen comebacks when you had a double digit
league over his career, the last ten years, he's had eight.
The issue that I have a couple of things. Number One,
you're not gonna They're not gonna specifically the Ravens. The
Ravens are kind of operating as an AFC version of
the what the Green Bay Packers kind of do, also
what the Steelers do in their own division, Meaning we
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don't want a lot of chaos, we don't want a
bunch of turnover, we don't want a bunch of new
gms and a bunch of head coaches and a bunch
of this and a bunch of that. They like stability.
That organization has been well run to the tune of
all these postseason you know, getting into the postseason, also
getting in the Super Bowls over the last you know,
twenty five years. They won one early, they won one,
give it ten years ago or so, and they keep
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giving themselves shots with Lamar Jackson over the last seven
eight years. So the issue, I get what you're saying,
he has these comebacks on his watch, but you gotta
be also saying these comebacks are on the watch of Lamar.
And you know, I believe Lamar Jackson's best player in football,
been saying it since I've been on the show, and
before I even got on this show.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
You and I agree on that. We have that same sentiment.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
But the onus has to fall on we believe the
best player in the NFL, the guy who has won
multiple MVPs and should have won last year as well,
he has to find a way in some of these Now.
Last night, Derek Henry did them no justice with the fumble,
who had an outstanding game until the fumble. And also
they some of the play calling, like to me, I'm
going on that fourth down because I have Lamar Jackson,
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you have their.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Should you watch the defense for the Ravens that's on Lamar.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
No, no, man, I'm just saying, like, no, hold on,
I'll let you cook, let me cook.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I'm asking I say.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
So, I'm talking a more broader picture because if I
have to take the broader picture for firing the coach
from a game, you get what I'm saying. So I
have to get the broader because Lamar played his butt
off like he always does.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
But some of those.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Eight double digit leads in the last and years are
on the Lamar, meaning he was the quarterback of some
of those teams. Lamar Jackson is so talented he can
find a way. Sometimes. Lamar Jackson can look at John
Harbaugh and say, nah, bro like I've seen many quarterbacks do,
we're going for this, and he look at Derrick Henry.
He looked at himself and said, we're getting two plus
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yards now. The defense was great the first three quarters
or so. I would be very happy with how we
controlled the Bills if you were the the Ravens and
then you let Josh Allen go ballistic two hundred and
fifty plus yards.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
In one quarter.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
So that's why I'm going for rob to your point,
because the defense hadn't been great, so I'm saying we
can't stop. Then now all of a sudden, he's looking
like the greatest quarterback we've ever seen. So I'm about
to go for this. I'm not listening none y'all talking
about put it on me. I am the leader of
this team. I am the franchise. Put it on me.
Fourth and two. I got Derrick Henry, I got myself,
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I got Jay Flowers, I got tight ends, I got
this offensive line. We're going to get two yards. And
sometimes as the leader of the team, you make that happen.
So it's not his fault.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
They lost.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Absolutely, Now, Lamar played out standing, But what I'm saying
is overarching. Sometimes Lamar has to go ahead and be
the reason take it over, whether it's the postseason, whether
it's last night.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
He had to find a way. And to me, did
you hear what you just said? Though?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
No, No, what I'm saying is specifically on that play,
not the overwrocking game. But to your point of firing Harball,
you can't just fire somebody. And this is where me
and you differ. I'm not firing somebody who routine leads
gets me to the Sason team gets me an opportunity.
Is none of that makes any sense to me if
I don't have the guy.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
It's not like.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You're firing after after two or three years. This is
going on for long and the Lamar has been around
for eight years. He's one of the most talented, unique players.
And you keep putting all these teams around and every
year there's something every year.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
So I didn't say no smoke.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I didn't say every game but seventeen double digit loss
and you're sitting here talking about Lamar when.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
The defense gave up in the fourth quarter. Points in
the fourth quarter, and you're talking about Lamar.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
What I'm saying is they're not going to get rid
of John Harbor.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Stop, brother, they going to I'm telling you they should.
I'm not just.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Because like I told you, Chim should have been fired.
You sat here all all day. Oh Jim just got
them to the rest Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Oh my god, it's the best thing the Knicks have
done in twenty five years.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
And guess what the Knicks did. They said enough and enough.
Don't look like they're gonna be a great What you
don't even know about that ball? John Harball? No, John
Harball is not Absolutely he's way He's terrible. Now he's
been terrible. That gets you. You're not fired, I'm not
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super Bowl? Has he gotten you with the mob?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Tell me. I said, he gets you in the possession
of super Bowl. Then give me to the super Bowl.
Ye give me.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah, you don't have a con get you just like
in just like in Green you just said, Jack, I
got you. The team built around now every year Lamar
has a team. Everywhere Lamar is outstanding. But when we
get you plan against the Kansas City Chiefs, go look
at it where they turtles all every down?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
That was?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
That was Lamar? Who was that? But I'm not firing John.
Why not? He's not getting the job done.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Every year they picked the Ravens to go to the
super Bowl and they never get there.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
At some point, you can't keep doing the Senate. You
can't do the same thing. At some point they either
get rid of Lamar or get rid of You're not
getting it right, John Howigett to the postseason. I have
higher expectations, all right, because the second thing I sat
Smogo for every other quarterback that's been this great, that
has multiple MVPs. It's all I'm saying, Lamar is the
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best player. Not to me, it is too easy, that's lazy.
Look at Tod Look at the seventeen double digit seventeen.
He's been the longest tenior coach Right now, it's Humber Team.
John Harbaugh as Don Harbaugh is not the return of
Bill Wash He's not Don Schuler. I'm not arguing that,
but I'm not letting this guy go who continues to give.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Me a let him on the bus last night after
the game.
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Speaker 7 (12:53):
Not yet, but I'm sure they coming. Man, you just
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You good like I'm at every time we do this.
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Speaker 4 (13:16):
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Speaker 7 (13:17):
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Speaker 1 (13:20):
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I don't think you saw Caleb's first drive?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Did you see it? Or no?
Speaker 7 (13:26):
No? No? I have a t vot I have a
tvow be able to watch.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yeah, they just washed down looked really good.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Six for six, five different receivers read in for nine years.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
That's not good. That's looking great.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, I know when you when you you're mixing the
ball around. I'm expecting big things from him with Ben Johnson,
like what I saw in that drive.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
That's what I'm expecting. That's my core.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
And the reason I agree with you, Rob is because
did you just did you watch that Green Bay Packer
Detroit Lion game?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Thank you?
Speaker 7 (13:58):
I don't want to get ahead of myself. Yep, but
the Detroit Lions may be cooked, teach.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I tried to tell them that. I'm with you, man, they.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
Might be cooked. And play calling when you call to
play the creativity, they didn't have that against green Bay. Now,
green Bay is really good on defense. They're probably gonna
be the number one defensive league this year. So let
me see how these next two weeks go. But if
theyre not going up and down the field like they
did with Ben Johnson, they cooked, they chopped.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Well. That that's my biggest thing.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
I told Rod, did I think they went up against
a very good Packers team? Who had one of the
best defensive last year with a bunch of young Herry guys,
and you, Adam Micah, so I think you saw the
worst case scenario for them. But let's just say, on
the Packers, how are your expectations for them? How far
can they go? Is this the year they finally look
at maybe a Super Bowl?
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Man? Kevin listen, So I try to I try to
do this every year before the season starts, I picked
the Super Bowl teams will compete. In the last five years,
I'm four out of five. Okay, this year I got
the Green Bay Packers, and so my heart tells me
to go with the Bengals, but my head is telling
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me it's gonna be the Packers and the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
So are you definitely better go with your head because
the heart they needed you last night?
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Seven yards the Bengals the second half. That's not even possible,
is it?
Speaker 7 (15:25):
Now? You can't you can't play the Cleveland Browns and
let Miles Garrett ruin the game, Like you just can't
let that happen. I'm sending three guys out in pass
protection if it means Miles Garrett quarterback, Like we can't
let him wreck the game, and until that happens, that's
what's gonna always happen. But I'm going to Green Bay
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Packers in the Super Bowl against the Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
All Right, Hey, TJ, I want to ask you, this
is what impressed me the most about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yesterday. They couldn't run the ball.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
The defense was bad, and your quarterback won you a game.
Like They couldn't run the ball. They were one dimensional,
and he still made the play, still had four touchdowns.
What did you make of his first game with the Steelers.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
I thought Aaron Rodgers was unbelievable. Man. He looked like
the twenty twenty one Aaron Rodgers because that was the
last great season that he had, and so normally he's
twenty twenty two, twenty three. Obviously he gets hurt in
twenty You don't at that age played just as good
as you did three four years ago when you weren't
able to do it. And so what I saw to
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Aaron Rodgers, I was impressed. Man. If one thing about
the Steelers what we saw yesterday, defensively, that's not the normal.
I don't figure that out.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Awful, right, they were awful yesterday.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
They're gonna be a top six to seven defense. You
can chalk that up. If he can continue to play
like this, who the ABC is gonna be a blood
ab because you know that they gonna move the ball
up and down the field and that defense, TJ Wise,
Cam Heyward, Jayleen Ramsey, it's gonna be a problem. They
just need to play a little bit together. But defense
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wasn't good. But Jaylen Ramsey made a play when a
play needed to be made, and that's all you want, Hey.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Real quick, on that play, I want to ask you
to TJ. Is that a hospital pass there? I mean,
was that you know what I mean? For a receiver?
Was that the right pass? Because he you know, obviously
he got.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Rock Ramsey thought he was Ronnie Lowe. What I mean,
like like or was that not so bad?
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Okay, that's not a so what happened? Garrett Wilson thought
nobody was around, so he was gonna catch and run.
Normally you catch that and curl up. That ball's not
coming out when you get hit. But he was trying
to get up the field. He didn't understand that somebody
was right there because Justin Fields really was gonna run
the ball until he realized like, oh, I may not
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make this. Garret Wilson is wide open here. So Garrett
Wilson just kind of covers up. I believe he catches
the ball. The ball doesn't come out, But that's a
great play by a great player in James Bill.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Yeah. TJ.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Housman was out of our guests, former Pro Bowl receiver
co host up up on game on Fox Sports Radio,
Who's eighty four on X There's a bunch of a
bunch of other good games too throughout the first week,
but I want to go to the one of the
earlier ones we saw with the Chiefs. They we already
know Rashi Rice is out. Then Worthy boom, first play,
Look the shoulder dislocated. They're saying day to day, we
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don't know. When you look at this season for them,
what do you expect out of Patrick Mahomes who said
last year maybe he was tight. They were forcing it,
they were trying to three peat. How do you look
at this season for them and what needs to happen
for them to They went fifteen to two, but we
all know it wasn't the best.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Version of them.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
I felt like going into the season, the Chiefs win
the AFC West nine years in a row. I didn't
believe this year would be ten. I believe the Chargers
are going to win the AFC West, and I said
that before the season started, even before they played that game.
The Chiefs are gonna be good. The problem is they've
been They're gonna always get another team's best shot. You
always gonna be ready to play it. I just have
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never seen to offensive players run crossing routes and collde
I've never seen that before, and not only collide, You
collide and you're out like for a few games. I've
never seen that. But I just have the confidence that
Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reek can figure this out. Defensively, space,
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the Chargers did whatever.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
They want to, dude like it did justin Herbert looked
like who everybody thought you should be.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
You know, finally it was. It was the full package
and he played great as well. I do want to
say this though, TJ. I'm down on John Harball and
I think he should be fired. With the Waves who
they have had.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
And TJ so many seventeen double digit second half losses
that when I think of the Ravens, I'm always disappointed,
Like they got their team is loaded loaded, and I
know he won a Super Bowl many moons ago, but
at some point point, I think he's Mike McCarthy's turned
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in and you wake up one day and you realize eight, ten,
twelve years is gone by and you didn't win.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
And I'm dead serious.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
Rob, I cannot agree with that tape because I'm a
fan of har Ball. I think he's a hell of
a coach. He can't make Derrick Herry not fumble the ball,
but he didn't have I had nothing to do with.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
But he's turned into Doc Rivers.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Like Doc Rivers won a championship two and you were
You're always disappointed in Doc Rivers team every year with
the Ravens, I'm disappointed that like they the way that
they go out, not that you just got beat by
a better team or it's just like there's always something
you remember the game.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
And I'll just'll end on this for me. When they
played the.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Chiefs in the AFC Championship game and they had Lamar
throw the ball on every down, do you remember that?
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Yes, I'll say this what concerns me about the Ravens Offensively,
They're going to be fine. Derrick Carry is not gone. No,
I would have Ball liked that when it matters often,
I'll say that what concerns me what the Ravens is
defensively on paper, they should have one of the best second,
if not the best. You have Marlin Humphrey, you have
Kyle Hamilton, you have Jyed Alexander, and you have Nate Wiggins.
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Those dudes right there are really good players. They have
to make a play when the play needs to be made,
like Josh Allen had damn Mere had a game worth
the passing yards.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
In a fourth quarter rulous, ridiculous, So he threw for
over two hundred yards in a fourth quarter.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
That to me is the biggest problem is defensively, they
need to get a stop. They need to keep contained
on a mobile quarterback like Josh Shallen, stop letting him
get out of the pocket. But I'm not firing Haul
while he's one of the top seven coaches in the league.
No way would I find. I'm not even thinking about
firing him. They just got to finish, to finish, and
this is another thing they are.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I mean, at some point, don't you he has to
get some of the blame as well because his team
can't finish.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
He can't that bubbled by Derreck Henry. What can he
do about that? Because if Derek Carry don't fumble the
games over.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I get that, But I'm saying this is not just
last night seventeen double digit loss, seven seven years seventeen, TJ.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
That's an unbelievable number.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
Let me tell you what should happen. This is just
my opinion. When you have a mobile quarterback like Lamar Jackson, right,
you want to spread out. So now things read like
I'm not running many tight formations with Lamar Jackson. So
now blitches can come from anywhere and they're closer. I'm
gonna spread you out. I'm gonna spread you out. Now
if you want to blitch, you got a blitch from
a distance or are you gonna show it? And now
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Lamar can either gas you in a run game or
hit somebody in the passing game, like give me some
more four or five wides when you do throw the ball,
because it makes it easier for Lamar his athleticism. You
can't play that way with him.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Well, listen, man, I was with you. We had this
whole That's how we started the show. I said, I'm
not letting John Harbo go I under and He definitely
has some issues and some games you want to have.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Fire Doc Rivers, he can be fired now. He's definitely
better than Doc Rivers, though.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Under I played under Harrball, Man, I played under a
lot of coaches towards the end of my career. Bro
Harball is not a good coach. He's a great coach.
The way he relates to guys and meetings like, it's
just different. It's different when a guy gets in front
of the team and he speaks and you listen and
you really believe what he's saying. Is a lot of
coaches they get up there and talk and you'd be
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like Charlie Brown, Bro, like, I'm not trying.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Hey, TJ, we're up against it. Man, appreciate you as always, Mabe.
What have you on next week?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Remember TJ Sports has a short MANU wins and losses.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
That's all I got you.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
You're right about that. I'm about to go condition.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
All right, go get it in Man.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
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Speaker 4 (23:59):
Updating the Yeah they just went for fourth and three.
Didn't get it.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
I didn't get it, and they tried to kick the
field goal to go up seven. Ben Jon, I mean
that saim he's gonna be aggressive.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
And that was the first incomplete. He was ten for ten, right,
Caleb to start the game.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Should have been I think it was missed.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, so this is an interesting development here in this game.
As you guys mentioned, Caleb Williams started the game ten
for ten before that fourth down. In completion, he's ten
for ten for eighty six yards. He's also added a
rushing touchdown. And if you look at Twitter, you would say, gosh, Lee,
Caleb Williams looks as good as advertised. He looks like
the number one pick. He looks like a generational prospect
we led to believe. But if you look at another
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segment of Twitter, and we don't have the sound on
in the studio, ars I'll give you the exact quote.
But there's another faction that's saying during the broadcast that
Troy Aikman has really let him have it.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Is he that he is not playing.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Within structure the way that Ben Johnson likes to play.
You know that Kelvy Rick reliance, that he is not
pulling the trigger when things are open down the field,
that he's dancing in the pocket a little too much,
and to his credit, he's making something happen that probably
he wasn't there. But if he would have played the
way the offense is meant to be played, they would
have had more yardage, more points.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
And here's another more than seven what twenty years another?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
See, that's why I know Rob has a guy, right,
he's got a guy he's got to get just.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Like No, but but people at home talking about, oh,
they should be up twenty one nothing really really, Rob
g they should be up twenty one nothing?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
God? What is that? I mean?
Speaker 5 (25:22):
I'm just saying because we get to see it, but
we can't like pay attention to everything. We're talking to
each other, we're looking at our notes.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
So no, but these are people at home, is what
I'm talking about. What we were saying. What does he miss?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
So that's why I'm trying to find the audio again,
they're not publishing it right now on social media. I'm
trying to watch it on a second. Nobody's giving you
that to listen to what he's saying. But a lot
of these comments are saying, you know, Troy Aikman really
hates Kayler Williams. Paraphrasey, Troy Aikman money that football. So
here's an example, said last year's Lions led the NFL
in yards after catch. That was a product of Jared
Goff leading receivers where they needed to go. And an
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example of the play that they're talking about, Cayleb Williams
throws an Aaron pass, the receiver catches it and falls
down for a gain of four. It should have been
a gain of eight. H Okay, that kind of stuff. Troy,
Let's say what he said is true. This is his
first game with the with the with the new coordinator. Like, dude,
this is what I'm saying. And here's the other issue
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that they're pointing out is again all through training camp,
and Rob even knows because he's singing the notes that
I've sent out. One of the issues they had was
getting in out of the huddle.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Oh, penalties.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
They already have four penalties fifty seven yards here in
the first quarter and a half, and two of them
were of the false start Vriiet.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah, I did see that that. I was just tell
him Rob, I didn't like that.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
And if you're watching the game, even with sound on
or off, you can see they've shown Ben Johnson half
full of times and you would not think that he's
a guy who's up seven to three here an opening.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Well, he is a man, he's a perfectionist.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
He's crazy like he's one of those you know, just
has to work like this and the sinking and timing,
and so he's they're gonna have a love hate relationship
because Kleb is gonna make him look great sometimes because
he's just he's that gifted his arm, his ability to run.
But then also what he likes time, me pacing, getting
out of the huddle, getting a looking back, reading things faster.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
That's not Cales.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
You saw that after that first touchdown where he made
something happen. He explosed to the left side run scoring touchdown.
They immediately showed Ben Johnson he's scowling because again I'm
sure there was something he saw hit the tied end.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
So they're gonna have a love hate relationship because Ben
Johnson was used to a nineteen ninety two prototypical quarterback
in Jered Go.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
He ain't moving, he ain't running nowhere. This is what
we do. This is time. This is safe. I just crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
You start ten for ten, you're leading the game, you
got a touchdown, you got twenty one yards on the ground,
and let's find for it. I just think I just
think that, like you could overanalyze something that way, we will, Okay.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
You can go.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
This is people are gonna overanalyze because Ben Johnson being
so related what he cost these.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
One for two passing him? All right? Is that what
he at one for two?
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Rob It's not always the end result that these guys can.
You know that it is, but it's not with these coaches.
Like you've been a sports period, but it's a long
time and you know that there are coaches say use
my system, use my teaching.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
This is this is one game, like the one quarter.
I just don't like, likebiously, it's one quarter.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
If you told me that this was four games in
and he's still he hasn't adjusted yet or he's not
doing that, maybe I would buy into it. I just
can't look at like one quarter that he's supposed to
be Jared Golf and the Lions offense in one in
one quarter?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
This is what this is.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Do you know what I've Jared Golf, but you could
go back to his first few games, and he wasn't there,
you know what I mean, like when he first started.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
And it takes a little time, That's all I'm saying.
I think that what we're seeing is Williams, you know,
too much time on this.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Well, this Kayler Williams is gonna be showing how talent
he is. Ben Johnson's gonna say, I want you to
work in this system. And there's gonna be a weird
where we should be. He used to be happy he scored.
That wasn't how he should have scored. You're gonna see
a bunch of that with them.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Well, let's go.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Here, because I gotta give you the business because you
spent You spent from the Fox. You spent the whole
off season ripping the shreds Aaron Rodgers that he can't play,
and why in the world would the Steelers wait for him?
And they're dumb and they don't have Rodgers and they
don't have a plan, and Aaron Rodgers this and that,
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and you could not have been more wrong about whether
or not the guy can still play.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
And yesterday, I.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Mean Bucky Brooks to me, you did a Bucky Brooks
where Bucky Brooks came on this show said Aaron Rodgers
was washed up and he should go to Chicago and
finish his career.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
That was before he won the back to back MVPs.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
That was Bucky Brooks who said he was washed up
back then. And you spent all off season talking about
what a mistake the Steelers made.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
And i'm he's.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Forty one context what I said, but he's forty one.
No no, but you said they made a mistake, and
you wouldn't have waited all that. No, no, no, no no,
you said he couldn't play. Play since you did, Rogerie
sits here every day, never said Aaron Rodgers can play.
He had twenty eight touchdowns eleven and no, you said
the numbers numbers, future build up or nobody cares about
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the future.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
There's no such things. There's no such thing. The future
is now. The future is now. You're trying to win now.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
And yesterday was a perfect example of why the Dealers
wanted Aaron Rodgers. They couldn't run the ball, they couldn't
stop anybody on defense, and they still won the game
because he played well. Seventy three percent completions, throw back
shoulder throws. He was able to do a thing that
a lot of guys can't do, which is quarterback at
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high court at a high volume and high quality. He
played extreme and he doesn't turn the ball over. He'll
give you a chance to win. And a lot of
people took their time and spent all summer bad without
right people. Forget that last year. Go look at the numbers.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
He was coming off the Achilles right, he was coming
off of the injury.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
And he got better.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Rob g We've talked about these numbers in the second
half of the season as he got more healthy.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
This pass offseason, Oh, that.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Just doesn't make any sense to me. He not a
trading game. He not taking any snapped. He got new receivers,
he's got a new offense. Oh my god, this is
going to be a disaster. That Where are all those
people who hoped and prayed that this would be a disaster.
You can't sit here now and say to yourself that
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the stealers were crazy. They got dividends on Game one,
which is a great game one on the road where
you can't run the damn ball.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
You'll one dimensional with.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
A forty one year old quarterback, and you get a
w you just you know you. All you're doing is
further on my point, the Steers can't run the ball,
which looks like they may not be able to run
the ball at all all season. Come on, no, I'm
saying a prolific running team they might run the ball.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Hair.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Aaron Rodgers did this against the guy who was supposed
to be nothing. All we heard off season was Justin
Fields ain't good? Justin Fields look horrible? Justin Fields?
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Ain't that? Justin Fields played dak near just as good
as Aaron Rodgers? Did he win the game? Aaron Rodgers?
Did he win the game? Aaron Rodgers? Did he win
the game? And Aaron Rodgers for Super Bowl? That they
went for three hundred yards on the ground.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
That's why, that's why Justin Field gots the concern.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
He can't throw the ball. He has to run. He
threw the ball a touchdown. No, he has to run
the ball.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
If they don't run for two hundred plus yards, he's
not buya ball.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
They almost a problem.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
They put four hundred yards of total offense on the Steelers.
You had to did they win? A Justin Fields led
team by the Jets put four hundred yards upon your head?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
They listening to you.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Did they win? Justin Fields can't play? Did they win? No,
you're the one who said that, Aaron Rodgers, that was
a waste for them too. I don't understand they should
keep Justin Fields. They've watched you the field and all.
It ain't about the future. It's about now. It's about
winning now. It's not about the futures, about the future.
It's about winning now. Nobody cares about five years now.
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Every team that you like now, every team that you like,
and I don't mean you, I mean anybody you you
they have their quarterback. The Pittsburgh Steelers have Aaron Rodgers
who look good when when he looked good, but I
don't expect him to look like that through the season
because you know, Suels look good. Russell Wilson looked good
to the two to six in a row and then
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what six losses in a row including the postseason. So
Aaron Rodgers had a good game. Aaron Rodgers is one
of the greatest quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I l c you.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
You nobody's saying he sucked. I verbatim and use the
words such. I said, he is not going to you made.
He's not the guy I want to I want to
start building for the future because same year I'm in
this year, I'm in the same We got better on
the Joe ten wins. They are Damar Jackson, and I'm
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in the same conference with Lamar, with Lamar, with Josh
Allen and Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert. So my point
always has been, if you're the Steelers, you start to
play for the future so that no games regularly they
want to play.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Did they make the playoffs last year? Yes?
Speaker 1 (34:26):
And you told me that Russell Wilson was terrible, right,
and they made the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Did they yes?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Okay, so now they got a quarterback who who as
we saw yesterday, if they get any kind of running game,
and you know, you just heard TJ. Houschmanzada who said
that defense is going to be better, that was you'll
never be better. You will never That's the best game
you're gonna see from Justin Fields all year. You will
not see what we saw yesterday commit four touchdowns.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
If people don't do that with no interception, it's only
happened twenty eight times twice.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodger again.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
So, but but the idea if he would have had
foreign exceptions and whatever.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
You would have been in here today trashing him that
he can't play. Aaron Rodger did not expect that? Did
you expect that? Did you expect that? Yes?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
No, you did exceptions? No, no, Rod, Yes, yes, I'm
talking about you. Did not expect him to play that
well within it, nothing else was going.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Didn't expect was the Jets to put up a thirty
two piece and if they don't pick, the Steelers don't kick,
they win the yard field goal. That's sixty yard still stop, man,
Come on sixty in the NFL. No, that's number one
sixty yard field gon?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Stop it. What's the record? Isn't it sixty years? You're
not gonna have the record for to be a big deal.
He would have made it by seventy.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
I'm sitting here telling me about did they win, because
when the Chiefs or the Lions won a tune of
fifteen and two, you didn't want to hear it.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
No, So don't tell me his win.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
No, because Aaron Rodgers didn't win at all last year
and twelve? So is it win or is it I
like that he won this one? Which one is it?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
It was that in the bin the biggest game to start,
because this is a new start, and everybody bashed him
all year, Like you could dislike Aaron Rodgers and that's fine.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Right, but if you don't think this guy can play, I.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Think about forward. There was a lot of because Tom
Brady played till he was forty five.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
So what something he doesn't have, it doesn't matter. Anger ring,
that's all right. Yeah, he didn't have a top five
defense his whole career game of ring. Tom Brady won
a championship without throwing a touchdown.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
He won too talented to the ring because he has
a bad coach, just like Lamar has.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Like in John Harball, he has the same exact situation
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Point to you.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Point to you is that you couldn't have been more
wrong about Aaron Rodgers and why the stealers waited.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
I'm still laughing that I'm one game against the Jets
against his former team of Jets. Mind you, the best
part about it is too justin fields looked better than
Aaron Rodgers did with the whole Jets. And mind you,
the Jets did everything they could for Aaron Rodgers. You
want to coach, we'll get you in the Hackett, you
want to be part, we'll fire him.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
I give you this. I'm gonna bring in receivers.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
The Jets gave Aaron Rodgers every single thing he could
ever ask for to achieve with the Jets, and he
ain't looked that good.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
And then Justin Fields, who is not even he looks horrible.
We heard comes right in. That's what's better than Aaron Rodgers.
That's why he's on his third team in three years.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
I'm saying just everything he did not. You want quoterback,
you want Hacket, what you want your whole receiver? Hello,
y'all want to come play with that? He also was
coming off for injury, and you know everything. Here's the thing,
here's the thing, and you saw twelve saw it yesterday.
Because people like you who continue to what to talk
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about without without really being honest about what all the
talent he.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
No, he said he can't play.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
You never said that. We'll get the about it. We'll
get the tape. Aaron said, you can't play. You said
last day he was awful. He said last name was awful,
and he said that that you did. I'm gonna get you,
gonna tell what I said. I'm gonna get you to tank.
You know, Elijah said here, I'm gonna get you to tank.
Rogerie sits here. You know, they hear what I said,
all right, I said, Steelers, move forward, get your guy
in the future, Go get your Michael.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
You couldn't.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
You couldn't understand why they, why they why they waited
for him.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Who's gonna be Russell Wilson
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Can we talk about the meltdown that happened last night
with the Ravens who were up with four and a
half minutes to go forty to twenty five. People were
looking going, my goodness, gracious, look at them roll on
the road of first game of the year, right forty
points on the roll was impressedove it was and then
the rains came as far as them melting down.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
And then Josh Allen put on his Superman cape and
save Krypton. That's right, because the Baltimore Ravens you mentioned
it led by fifteen points under five minutes to go
in the game. Before last night, NFL teams had won
seven hundred and seventeen consecutive games in that scenario. In fact,
the last team last time a team lost a game
like that was in twenty seventeen. It gets worse though. Baltimore,
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with about seven minutes left in the game, according to
ESPN win probability Index, had a ninety eight point seven
percent chance of winning the game, and they lost. It
was the eight times in twenty twenty one that they
lost the game with at least a ninety percent win probability,
three more than the next closest team.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I got some more numbers for you. Check this out.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
The Ravens became the first team in NFL history to
lose a game where they had forty plus points and
two hundred and thirty five plus rushing yards. NFL teams
are now two seventy seven and one in that situation.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
According to the Associated this reminds me of that Knicks
playoff game my next to the Celtics, Right, that's same
same kind of deal, right, like just the game, you
can't believe it.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
And then here's the worst one if you're a Harball
fan or if you're a Harball family member. Head coach
John Harbaugh now has the most losses with a ten
plus point second half lead seventeen by any head coach
in at least the last thirty five season.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
All right, and I want you to go right there.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
All the people we know the easy pointing of the finger,
and I've heard it all day. Lamar should have just
run for the first down. Okay, blame Lamar even though
he played a really good game.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Derek Henry I fumble, blah blah blah, that was the game.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I'm done with both of those guys.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
As far as that, I'm going to be lazy and
just pick one of those two players and say they're
the reason why. If I was ownership of the Baltimore
Ravens last night, I would have fired John Harball. John
Harbaugh should be fired as cod of the Baltimore Ravens.
(03:02):
This happens Kelvin way too often with the talent that
they have. Rob g just told you seventeen times they've
given up double digit leads in the second seventeen.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I get it. He won a super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
It doesn't mean you're a pope or a Supreme Court
justice and you get to have your job forever.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Because you won a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Starting to remind me of Mike McCarthy with the Packers.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
They won a super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Disappointment after disappointment after disappointment. One day you wake up
and Aaron Rodgers hasn't won in ten years? Right, seriously,
stop giving Harvard pass. Do you remember the playoff game
in the AFC Championship against the Chiefs when they had
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some game playing where Lamar threw the ball down instead
of running.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Remember that that was another one.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
I can go on and on and on about the
bad situations, the bad losses, and there's one common denominator.
It's John Harball. Its's time. Stop it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
He won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
You would again, sometimes you have to make that hard decision.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I get it. There aren't that many coaches with a
Super Bowl in.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Their back pocket. But man, it's Lamar's eighth year with
John Harby.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Keep playing.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
You wake up one day and ten or twelve years
will have gone by and you'll say, what happened?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
He never won.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
If you can't get fired off of a piss poor
finish like that, you can never get get fired. Timbs,
Tom Thibodeau. You know why he got fired because he
had performance like that. He had gotten the Knicks shoot
up the furthest they had gone and since Moby Dick
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was a guppy, and they laid a terrible egg in
a big situation that was supposed to be a revenge
redemption game. They were supposed to storm the rust of
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
After that, forty points on the road in Buffalo and
they go home with a l.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
The L they went home with was John Harball. He
was the L they went home with. John Harball definitely
gets some of the smoke.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
You got seventeen comebacks when you had a double digit
league over his career, the last ten years, he's had eight.
The issue that I have a couple of things. Number One,
you're not gonna They're not gonna specifically the Ravens. The
Ravens are kind of operating as an AFC version of
the what the Green Bay Packers kind of do, also
what the Steelers do in their own division, Meaning we
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don't want a lot of chaos, we don't want a
bunch of turnover, we don't want a bunch of new
gms and a bunch of head coaches and a bunch
of this and a bunch of that. They like stability.
That organization has been well run to the tune of
all these postseason you know, getting into the postseason, also
getting in the Super Bowls over the last you know,
twenty five years. They won one early, they won one,
give it ten years ago or so, and they keep
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giving themselves shots with Lamar Jackson over the last seven
eight years. So the issue, I get what you're saying,
he has these comebacks on his watch, but you gotta
be also saying these comebacks are on the watch of Lamar.
And you know, I believe Lamar Jackson's best player in football,
been saying it since I've been on the show, and
before I even got on this show.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
You and I agree on that. We have that same sentiment.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
But the onus has to fall on we believe the
best player in the NFL, the guy who has won
multiple MVPs and should have won last year as well,
he has to find a way in some of these Now.
Last night, Derek Henry did them no justice with the fumble,
who had an outstanding game until the fumble. And also
they some of the play calling, like to me, I'm
going on that fourth down because I have Lamar Jackson,
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you have their.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Should you watch the defense for the Ravens that's on Lamar.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
No, no, man, I'm just saying, like, no, hold on,
I'll let you cook, let me cook.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I'm asking I say.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
So, I'm talking a more broader picture because if I
have to take the broader picture for firing the coach
from a game, you get what I'm saying. So I
have to get the broader because Lamar played his butt
off like he always does.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
But some of those.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Eight double digit leads in the last and years are
on the Lamar, meaning he was the quarterback of some
of those teams. Lamar Jackson is so talented he can
find a way. Sometimes. Lamar Jackson can look at John
Harbaugh and say, nah, bro like I've seen many quarterbacks do,
we're going for this, and he look at Derrick Henry.
He looked at himself and said, we're getting two plus
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yards now. The defense was great the first three quarters
or so. I would be very happy with how we
controlled the Bills if you were the the Ravens and
then you let Josh Allen go ballistic two hundred and
fifty plus yards.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
In one quarter.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
So that's why I'm going for rob to your point,
because the defense hadn't been great, so I'm saying we
can't stop. Then now all of a sudden, he's looking
like the greatest quarterback we've ever seen. So I'm about
to go for this. I'm not listening none y'all talking
about put it on me. I am the leader of
this team. I am the franchise. Put it on me.
Fourth and two. I got Derrick Henry, I got myself,
(08:19):
I got Jay Flowers, I got tight ends, I got
this offensive line. We're going to get two yards. And
sometimes as the leader of the team, you make that happen.
So it's not his fault.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
They lost.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Absolutely, Now, Lamar played out standing, But what I'm saying
is overarching. Sometimes Lamar has to go ahead and be
the reason take it over, whether it's the postseason, whether
it's last night.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
He had to find a way. And to me, did
you hear what you just said? Though?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
No, No, what I'm saying is specifically on that play,
not the overwrocking game. But to your point of firing Harball,
you can't just fire somebody. And this is where me
and you differ. I'm not firing somebody who routine leads
gets me to the Sason team gets me an opportunity.
Is none of that makes any sense to me if
I don't have the guy.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
It's not like.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You're firing after after two or three years. This is
going on for long and the Lamar has been around
for eight years. He's one of the most talented, unique players.
And you keep putting all these teams around and every
year there's something every year.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
So I didn't say no smoke.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I didn't say every game but seventeen double digit loss
and you're sitting here talking about Lamar when.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
The defense gave up in the fourth quarter. Points in
the fourth quarter, and you're talking about Lamar.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
What I'm saying is they're not going to get rid
of John Harbor.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Stop, brother, they going to I'm telling you they should.
I'm not just.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Because like I told you, Chim should have been fired.
You sat here all all day. Oh Jim just got
them to the rest Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Oh my god, it's the best thing the Knicks have
done in twenty five years.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
And guess what the Knicks did. They said enough and enough.
Don't look like they're gonna be a great What you
don't even know about that ball? John Harball? No, John
Harball is not Absolutely he's way He's terrible. Now he's
been terrible. That gets you. You're not fired, I'm not
(10:14):
super Bowl? Has he gotten you with the mob?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Tell me. I said, he gets you in the possession
of super Bowl. Then give me to the super Bowl.
Ye give me.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah, you don't have a con get you just like
in just like in Green you just said, Jack, I
got you. The team built around now every year Lamar
has a team. Everywhere Lamar is outstanding. But when we
get you plan against the Kansas City Chiefs, go look
at it where they turtles all every down?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
That was?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
That was Lamar? Who was that? But I'm not firing John.
Why not? He's not getting the job done.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Every year they picked the Ravens to go to the
super Bowl and they never get there.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
At some point, you can't keep doing the Senate. You
can't do the same thing. At some point they either
get rid of Lamar or get rid of You're not
getting it right, John Howigett to the postseason. I have
higher expectations, all right, because the second thing I sat
Smogo for every other quarterback that's been this great, that
has multiple MVPs. It's all I'm saying, Lamar is the
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best player. Not to me, it is too easy, that's lazy.
Look at Tod Look at the seventeen double digit seventeen.
He's been the longest tenior coach Right now, it's Humber Team.
John Harbaugh as Don Harbaugh is not the return of
Bill Wash He's not Don Schuler. I'm not arguing that,
but I'm not letting this guy go who continues to give.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Me a let him on the bus last night after
the game.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
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Speaker 4 (11:50):
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Speaker 6 (11:52):
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Speaker 4 (11:58):
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Speaker 4 (12:31):
Was that a game.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
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Speaker 4 (12:41):
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Speaker 5 (12:41):
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Speaker 4 (12:51):
From days.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
Not yet, but I'm sure they coming. Man, you just
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You good like I'm at every time we do this.
I'm gonna be at football practice and we're gonna do
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Speaker 1 (13:07):
There you go where you want to start? Rob My
former podcast partner TJ. Houschman Zado the Lemon Pepper parlay.
Remember we had.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
A great man.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
We were killing that thing, Rob killing that bang good one.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Let's go here. Uh you're a pro, so you didn't.
I don't think you saw Caleb's first drive?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Did you see it? Or no?
Speaker 7 (13:26):
No? No? I have a t vot I have a
tvow be able to watch.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yeah, they just washed down looked really good.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Six for six, five different receivers read in for nine years.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
That's not good. That's looking great.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, I know when you when you you're mixing the
ball around. I'm expecting big things from him with Ben Johnson,
like what I saw in that drive.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
That's what I'm expecting. That's my core.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
And the reason I agree with you, Rob is because
did you just did you watch that Green Bay Packer
Detroit Lion game?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Thank you?
Speaker 7 (13:58):
I don't want to get ahead of myself. Yep, but
the Detroit Lions may be cooked, teach.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I tried to tell them that. I'm with you, man, they.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
Might be cooked. And play calling when you call to
play the creativity, they didn't have that against green Bay. Now,
green Bay is really good on defense. They're probably gonna
be the number one defensive league this year. So let
me see how these next two weeks go. But if
theyre not going up and down the field like they
did with Ben Johnson, they cooked, they chopped.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Well. That that's my biggest thing.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
I told Rod, did I think they went up against
a very good Packers team? Who had one of the
best defensive last year with a bunch of young Herry guys,
and you, Adam Micah, so I think you saw the
worst case scenario for them. But let's just say, on
the Packers, how are your expectations for them? How far
can they go? Is this the year they finally look
at maybe a Super Bowl?
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Man? Kevin listen, So I try to I try to
do this every year before the season starts, I picked
the Super Bowl teams will compete. In the last five years,
I'm four out of five. Okay, this year I got
the Green Bay Packers, and so my heart tells me
to go with the Bengals, but my head is telling
(15:13):
me it's gonna be the Packers and the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
So are you definitely better go with your head because
the heart they needed you last night?
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Seven yards the Bengals the second half. That's not even possible,
is it?
Speaker 7 (15:25):
Now? You can't you can't play the Cleveland Browns and
let Miles Garrett ruin the game, Like you just can't
let that happen. I'm sending three guys out in pass
protection if it means Miles Garrett quarterback, Like we can't
let him wreck the game, and until that happens, that's
what's gonna always happen. But I'm going to Green Bay
(15:45):
Packers in the Super Bowl against the Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
All Right, Hey, TJ, I want to ask you, this
is what impressed me the most about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yesterday. They couldn't run the ball.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
The defense was bad, and your quarterback won you a game.
Like They couldn't run the ball. They were one dimensional,
and he still made the play, still had four touchdowns.
What did you make of his first game with the Steelers.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
I thought Aaron Rodgers was unbelievable. Man. He looked like
the twenty twenty one Aaron Rodgers because that was the
last great season that he had, and so normally he's
twenty twenty two, twenty three. Obviously he gets hurt in
twenty You don't at that age played just as good
as you did three four years ago when you weren't
able to do it. And so what I saw to
(16:33):
Aaron Rodgers, I was impressed. Man. If one thing about
the Steelers what we saw yesterday, defensively, that's not the normal.
I don't figure that out.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Awful, right, they were awful yesterday.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
They're gonna be a top six to seven defense. You
can chalk that up. If he can continue to play
like this, who the ABC is gonna be a blood
ab because you know that they gonna move the ball
up and down the field and that defense, TJ Wise,
Cam Heyward, Jayleen Ramsey, it's gonna be a problem. They
just need to play a little bit together. But defense
(17:07):
wasn't good. But Jaylen Ramsey made a play when a
play needed to be made, and that's all you want, Hey.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Real quick, on that play, I want to ask you
to TJ. Is that a hospital pass there? I mean,
was that you know what I mean? For a receiver?
Was that the right pass? Because he you know, obviously
he got.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Rock Ramsey thought he was Ronnie Lowe. What I mean,
like like or was that not so bad?
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Okay, that's not a so what happened? Garrett Wilson thought
nobody was around, so he was gonna catch and run.
Normally you catch that and curl up. That ball's not
coming out when you get hit. But he was trying
to get up the field. He didn't understand that somebody
was right there because Justin Fields really was gonna run
the ball until he realized like, oh, I may not
(17:52):
make this. Garret Wilson is wide open here. So Garrett
Wilson just kind of covers up. I believe he catches
the ball. The ball doesn't come out, But that's a
great play by a great player in James Bill.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Yeah. TJ.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Housman was out of our guests, former Pro Bowl receiver
co host up up on game on Fox Sports Radio,
Who's eighty four on X There's a bunch of a
bunch of other good games too throughout the first week,
but I want to go to the one of the
earlier ones we saw with the Chiefs. They we already
know Rashi Rice is out. Then Worthy boom, first play,
Look the shoulder dislocated. They're saying day to day, we
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don't know. When you look at this season for them,
what do you expect out of Patrick Mahomes who said
last year maybe he was tight. They were forcing it,
they were trying to three peat. How do you look
at this season for them and what needs to happen
for them to They went fifteen to two, but we
all know it wasn't the best.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Version of them.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
I felt like going into the season, the Chiefs win
the AFC West nine years in a row. I didn't
believe this year would be ten. I believe the Chargers
are going to win the AFC West, and I said
that before the season started, even before they played that game.
The Chiefs are gonna be good. The problem is they've
been They're gonna always get another team's best shot. You
always gonna be ready to play it. I just have
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never seen to offensive players run crossing routes and collde
I've never seen that before, and not only collide, You
collide and you're out like for a few games. I've
never seen that. But I just have the confidence that
Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reek can figure this out. Defensively, space,
(19:21):
the Chargers did whatever.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
They want to, dude like it did justin Herbert looked
like who everybody thought you should be.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
You know, finally it was. It was the full package
and he played great as well. I do want to
say this though, TJ. I'm down on John Harball and
I think he should be fired. With the Waves who
they have had.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
And TJ so many seventeen double digit second half losses
that when I think of the Ravens, I'm always disappointed,
Like they got their team is loaded loaded, and I
know he won a Super Bowl many moons ago, but
at some point point, I think he's Mike McCarthy's turned
(20:03):
in and you wake up one day and you realize eight, ten,
twelve years is gone by and you didn't win.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
And I'm dead serious.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
Rob, I cannot agree with that tape because I'm a
fan of har Ball. I think he's a hell of
a coach. He can't make Derrick Herry not fumble the ball,
but he didn't have I had nothing to do with.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
But he's turned into Doc Rivers.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Like Doc Rivers won a championship two and you were
You're always disappointed in Doc Rivers team every year with
the Ravens, I'm disappointed that like they the way that
they go out, not that you just got beat by
a better team or it's just like there's always something
you remember the game.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
And I'll just'll end on this for me. When they
played the.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Chiefs in the AFC Championship game and they had Lamar
throw the ball on every down, do you remember that?
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Yes, I'll say this what concerns me about the Ravens Offensively,
They're going to be fine. Derrick Carry is not gone. No,
I would have Ball liked that when it matters often,
I'll say that what concerns me what the Ravens is
defensively on paper, they should have one of the best second,
if not the best. You have Marlin Humphrey, you have
Kyle Hamilton, you have Jyed Alexander, and you have Nate Wiggins.
(21:18):
Those dudes right there are really good players. They have
to make a play when the play needs to be made,
like Josh Allen had damn Mere had a game worth
the passing yards.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
In a fourth quarter rulous, ridiculous, So he threw for
over two hundred yards in a fourth quarter.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
That to me is the biggest problem is defensively, they
need to get a stop. They need to keep contained
on a mobile quarterback like Josh Shallen, stop letting him
get out of the pocket. But I'm not firing Haul
while he's one of the top seven coaches in the league.
No way would I find. I'm not even thinking about
firing him. They just got to finish, to finish, and
this is another thing they are.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I mean, at some point, don't you he has to
get some of the blame as well because his team
can't finish.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
He can't that bubbled by Derreck Henry. What can he
do about that? Because if Derek Carry don't fumble the
games over.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I get that, But I'm saying this is not just
last night seventeen double digit loss, seven seven years seventeen, TJ.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
That's an unbelievable number.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
Let me tell you what should happen. This is just
my opinion. When you have a mobile quarterback like Lamar Jackson, right,
you want to spread out. So now things read like
I'm not running many tight formations with Lamar Jackson. So
now blitches can come from anywhere and they're closer. I'm
gonna spread you out. I'm gonna spread you out. Now
if you want to blitch, you got a blitch from
a distance or are you gonna show it? And now
(22:44):
Lamar can either gas you in a run game or
hit somebody in the passing game, like give me some
more four or five wides when you do throw the ball,
because it makes it easier for Lamar his athleticism. You
can't play that way with him.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Well, listen, man, I was with you. We had this
whole That's how we started the show. I said, I'm
not letting John Harbo go I under and He definitely
has some issues and some games you want to have.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Fire Doc Rivers, he can be fired now. He's definitely
better than Doc Rivers, though.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Under I played under Harrball, Man, I played under a
lot of coaches towards the end of my career. Bro
Harball is not a good coach. He's a great coach.
The way he relates to guys and meetings like, it's
just different. It's different when a guy gets in front
of the team and he speaks and you listen and
you really believe what he's saying. Is a lot of
coaches they get up there and talk and you'd be
(23:32):
like Charlie Brown, Bro, like, I'm not trying.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Hey, TJ, we're up against it. Man, appreciate you as always, Mabe.
What have you on next week?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Remember TJ Sports has a short MANU wins and losses.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
That's all I got you.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
You're right about that. I'm about to go condition.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
All right, go get it in Man.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
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Speaker 4 (23:59):
Updating the Yeah they just went for fourth and three.
Didn't get it.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
I didn't get it, and they tried to kick the
field goal to go up seven. Ben Jon, I mean
that saim he's gonna be aggressive.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
And that was the first incomplete. He was ten for ten, right,
Caleb to start the game.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Should have been I think it was missed.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, so this is an interesting development here in this game.
As you guys mentioned, Caleb Williams started the game ten
for ten before that fourth down. In completion, he's ten
for ten for eighty six yards. He's also added a
rushing touchdown. And if you look at Twitter, you would say, gosh, Lee,
Caleb Williams looks as good as advertised. He looks like
the number one pick. He looks like a generational prospect
we led to believe. But if you look at another
(24:37):
segment of Twitter, and we don't have the sound on
in the studio, ars I'll give you the exact quote.
But there's another faction that's saying during the broadcast that
Troy Aikman has really let him have it.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Is he that he is not playing.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Within structure the way that Ben Johnson likes to play.
You know that Kelvy Rick reliance, that he is not
pulling the trigger when things are open down the field,
that he's dancing in the pocket a little too much,
and to his credit, he's making something happen that probably
he wasn't there. But if he would have played the
way the offense is meant to be played, they would
have had more yardage, more points.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
And here's another more than seven what twenty years another?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
See, that's why I know Rob has a guy, right,
he's got a guy he's got to get just.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Like No, but but people at home talking about, oh,
they should be up twenty one nothing really really, Rob
g they should be up twenty one nothing?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
God? What is that? I mean?
Speaker 5 (25:22):
I'm just saying because we get to see it, but
we can't like pay attention to everything. We're talking to
each other, we're looking at our notes.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
So no, but these are people at home, is what
I'm talking about. What we were saying. What does he miss?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
So that's why I'm trying to find the audio again,
they're not publishing it right now on social media. I'm
trying to watch it on a second. Nobody's giving you
that to listen to what he's saying. But a lot
of these comments are saying, you know, Troy Aikman really
hates Kayler Williams. Paraphrasey, Troy Aikman money that football. So
here's an example, said last year's Lions led the NFL
in yards after catch. That was a product of Jared
Goff leading receivers where they needed to go. And an
(25:55):
example of the play that they're talking about, Cayleb Williams
throws an Aaron pass, the receiver catches it and falls
down for a gain of four. It should have been
a gain of eight. H Okay, that kind of stuff. Troy,
Let's say what he said is true. This is his
first game with the with the with the new coordinator. Like, dude,
this is what I'm saying. And here's the other issue
(26:15):
that they're pointing out is again all through training camp,
and Rob even knows because he's singing the notes that
I've sent out. One of the issues they had was
getting in out of the huddle.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Oh, penalties.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
They already have four penalties fifty seven yards here in
the first quarter and a half, and two of them
were of the false start Vriiet.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah, I did see that that. I was just tell
him Rob, I didn't like that.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
And if you're watching the game, even with sound on
or off, you can see they've shown Ben Johnson half
full of times and you would not think that he's
a guy who's up seven to three here an opening.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Well, he is a man, he's a perfectionist.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
He's crazy like he's one of those you know, just
has to work like this and the sinking and timing,
and so he's they're gonna have a love hate relationship
because Kleb is gonna make him look great sometimes because
he's just he's that gifted his arm, his ability to run.
But then also what he likes time, me pacing, getting
out of the huddle, getting a looking back, reading things faster.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
That's not Cales.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
You saw that after that first touchdown where he made
something happen. He explosed to the left side run scoring touchdown.
They immediately showed Ben Johnson he's scowling because again I'm
sure there was something he saw hit the tied end.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
So they're gonna have a love hate relationship because Ben
Johnson was used to a nineteen ninety two prototypical quarterback
in Jered Go.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
He ain't moving, he ain't running nowhere. This is what
we do. This is time. This is safe. I just crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
You start ten for ten, you're leading the game, you
got a touchdown, you got twenty one yards on the ground,
and let's find for it. I just think I just
think that, like you could overanalyze something that way, we will, Okay.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
You can go.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
This is people are gonna overanalyze because Ben Johnson being
so related what he cost these.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
One for two passing him? All right? Is that what
he at one for two?
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Rob It's not always the end result that these guys can.
You know that it is, but it's not with these coaches.
Like you've been a sports period, but it's a long
time and you know that there are coaches say use
my system, use my teaching.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
This is this is one game, like the one quarter.
I just don't like, likebiously, it's one quarter.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
If you told me that this was four games in
and he's still he hasn't adjusted yet or he's not
doing that, maybe I would buy into it. I just
can't look at like one quarter that he's supposed to
be Jared Golf and the Lions offense in one in
one quarter?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
This is what this is.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Do you know what I've Jared Golf, but you could
go back to his first few games, and he wasn't there,
you know what I mean, like when he first started.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
And it takes a little time, That's all I'm saying.
I think that what we're seeing is Williams, you know,
too much time on this.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Well, this Kayler Williams is gonna be showing how talent
he is. Ben Johnson's gonna say, I want you to
work in this system. And there's gonna be a weird
where we should be. He used to be happy he scored.
That wasn't how he should have scored. You're gonna see
a bunch of that with them.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Well, let's go.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Here, because I gotta give you the business because you
spent You spent from the Fox. You spent the whole
off season ripping the shreds Aaron Rodgers that he can't play,
and why in the world would the Steelers wait for him?
And they're dumb and they don't have Rodgers and they
don't have a plan, and Aaron Rodgers this and that,
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and you could not have been more wrong about whether
or not the guy can still play.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
And yesterday, I.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Mean Bucky Brooks to me, you did a Bucky Brooks
where Bucky Brooks came on this show said Aaron Rodgers
was washed up and he should go to Chicago and
finish his career.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
That was before he won the back to back MVPs.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
That was Bucky Brooks who said he was washed up
back then. And you spent all off season talking about
what a mistake the Steelers made.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
And i'm he's.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Forty one context what I said, but he's forty one.
No no, but you said they made a mistake, and
you wouldn't have waited all that. No, no, no, no no,
you said he couldn't play. Play since you did, Rogerie
sits here every day, never said Aaron Rodgers can play.
He had twenty eight touchdowns eleven and no, you said
the numbers numbers, future build up or nobody cares about
(30:15):
the future.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
There's no such things. There's no such thing. The future
is now. The future is now. You're trying to win now.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
And yesterday was a perfect example of why the Dealers
wanted Aaron Rodgers. They couldn't run the ball, they couldn't
stop anybody on defense, and they still won the game
because he played well. Seventy three percent completions, throw back
shoulder throws. He was able to do a thing that
a lot of guys can't do, which is quarterback at
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high court at a high volume and high quality. He
played extreme and he doesn't turn the ball over. He'll
give you a chance to win. And a lot of
people took their time and spent all summer bad without
right people. Forget that last year. Go look at the numbers.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
He was coming off the Achilles right, he was coming
off of the injury.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
And he got better.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Rob g We've talked about these numbers in the second
half of the season as he got more healthy.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
This pass offseason, Oh, that.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Just doesn't make any sense to me. He not a
trading game. He not taking any snapped. He got new receivers,
he's got a new offense. Oh my god, this is
going to be a disaster. That Where are all those
people who hoped and prayed that this would be a disaster.
You can't sit here now and say to yourself that
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the stealers were crazy. They got dividends on Game one,
which is a great game one on the road where
you can't run the damn ball.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
You'll one dimensional with.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
A forty one year old quarterback, and you get a
w you just you know you. All you're doing is
further on my point, the Steers can't run the ball,
which looks like they may not be able to run
the ball at all all season. Come on, no, I'm
saying a prolific running team they might run the ball.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Hair.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Aaron Rodgers did this against the guy who was supposed
to be nothing. All we heard off season was Justin
Fields ain't good? Justin Fields look horrible? Justin Fields?
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Ain't that? Justin Fields played dak near just as good
as Aaron Rodgers? Did he win the game? Aaron Rodgers?
Did he win the game? Aaron Rodgers? Did he win
the game? And Aaron Rodgers for Super Bowl? That they
went for three hundred yards on the ground.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
That's why, that's why Justin Field gots the concern.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
He can't throw the ball. He has to run. He
threw the ball a touchdown. No, he has to run
the ball.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
If they don't run for two hundred plus yards, he's
not buya ball.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
They almost a problem.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
They put four hundred yards of total offense on the Steelers.
You had to did they win? A Justin Fields led
team by the Jets put four hundred yards upon your head?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
They listening to you.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Did they win? Justin Fields can't play? Did they win? No,
you're the one who said that, Aaron Rodgers, that was
a waste for them too. I don't understand they should
keep Justin Fields. They've watched you the field and all.
It ain't about the future. It's about now. It's about
winning now. It's not about the futures, about the future.
It's about winning now. Nobody cares about five years now.
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Every team that you like now, every team that you like,
and I don't mean you, I mean anybody you you
they have their quarterback. The Pittsburgh Steelers have Aaron Rodgers
who look good when when he looked good, but I
don't expect him to look like that through the season
because you know, Suels look good. Russell Wilson looked good
to the two to six in a row and then
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what six losses in a row including the postseason. So
Aaron Rodgers had a good game. Aaron Rodgers is one
of the greatest quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I l c you.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
You nobody's saying he sucked. I verbatim and use the
words such. I said, he is not going to you made.
He's not the guy I want to I want to
start building for the future because same year I'm in
this year, I'm in the same We got better on
the Joe ten wins. They are Damar Jackson, and I'm
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in the same conference with Lamar, with Lamar, with Josh
Allen and Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert. So my point
always has been, if you're the Steelers, you start to
play for the future so that no games regularly they
want to play.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Did they make the playoffs last year? Yes?
Speaker 1 (34:26):
And you told me that Russell Wilson was terrible, right,
and they made the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Did they yes?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Okay, so now they got a quarterback who who as
we saw yesterday, if they get any kind of running game,
and you know, you just heard TJ. Houschmanzada who said
that defense is going to be better, that was you'll
never be better. You will never That's the best game
you're gonna see from Justin Fields all year. You will
not see what we saw yesterday commit four touchdowns.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
If people don't do that with no interception, it's only
happened twenty eight times twice.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodger again.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
So, but but the idea if he would have had
foreign exceptions and whatever.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
You would have been in here today trashing him that
he can't play. Aaron Rodger did not expect that? Did
you expect that? Did you expect that? Yes?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
No, you did exceptions? No, no, Rod, Yes, yes, I'm
talking about you. Did not expect him to play that
well within it, nothing else was going.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Didn't expect was the Jets to put up a thirty
two piece and if they don't pick, the Steelers don't kick,
they win the yard field goal. That's sixty yard still stop, man,
Come on sixty in the NFL. No, that's number one
sixty yard field gon?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Stop it. What's the record? Isn't it sixty years? You're
not gonna have the record for to be a big deal.
He would have made it by seventy.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
I'm sitting here telling me about did they win, because
when the Chiefs or the Lions won a tune of
fifteen and two, you didn't want to hear it.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
No, So don't tell me his win.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
No, because Aaron Rodgers didn't win at all last year
and twelve? So is it win or is it I
like that he won this one? Which one is it?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
It was that in the bin the biggest game to start,
because this is a new start, and everybody bashed him
all year, Like you could dislike Aaron Rodgers and that's fine.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Right, but if you don't think this guy can play, I.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Think about forward. There was a lot of because Tom
Brady played till he was forty five.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
So what something he doesn't have, it doesn't matter. Anger ring,
that's all right. Yeah, he didn't have a top five
defense his whole career game of ring. Tom Brady won
a championship without throwing a touchdown.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
He won too talented to the ring because he has
a bad coach, just like Lamar has.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Like in John Harball, he has the same exact situation
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Point to you.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Point to you is that you couldn't have been more
wrong about Aaron Rodgers and why the stealers waited.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
I'm still laughing that I'm one game against the Jets
against his former team of Jets. Mind you, the best
part about it is too justin fields looked better than
Aaron Rodgers did with the whole Jets. And mind you,
the Jets did everything they could for Aaron Rodgers. You
want to coach, we'll get you in the Hackett, you
want to be part, we'll fire him.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
I give you this. I'm gonna bring in receivers.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
The Jets gave Aaron Rodgers every single thing he could
ever ask for to achieve with the Jets, and he
ain't looked that good.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
And then Justin Fields, who is not even he looks horrible.
We heard comes right in. That's what's better than Aaron Rodgers.
That's why he's on his third team in three years.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
I'm saying just everything he did not. You want quoterback,
you want Hacket, what you want your whole receiver? Hello,
y'all want to come play with that? He also was
coming off for injury, and you know everything. Here's the thing,
here's the thing, and you saw twelve saw it yesterday.
Because people like you who continue to what to talk
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about without without really being honest about what all the
talent he.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
No, he said he can't play.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
You never said that. We'll get the about it. We'll
get the tape. Aaron said, you can't play. You said
last day he was awful. He said last name was awful,
and he said that that you did. I'm gonna get you,
gonna tell what I said. I'm gonna get you to tank.
You know, Elijah said here, I'm gonna get you to tank.
Rogerie sits here. You know, they hear what I said,
all right, I said, Steelers, move forward, get your guy
in the future, Go get your Michael.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
You couldn't.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
You couldn't understand why they, why they why they waited
for him.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Who's gonna be Russell Wilson
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