September 9, 2025 • 24 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us how much blame Caleb Williams deserves for the Chicago Bears meltdown on Sunday Night Football against the Minnesota Vikings, share their thoughts on the punishment handed by the NFL on Philadelphia Eagles DT Jalen Carter for spitting on Dak Prescott, and discuss if the Miami Dolphins needs to move on from Tyreek Hill.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Cayleb Williams got off to a scintilating start during our show.
He started out ten for ten at it touch.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
This is a replay.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I thought it first half, thirteen of sixteen passing, it
was all looking good. They got to pick six there
in the third quarter, but after halftime it was all
downhill for Caleb Williams. He finished the second half eight
of nineteen. He had an NFL worst off target rate
of twenty nine point four percent of Week one, which
means about thirty percent of his passes were off target. Again,
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but he was not the only problem. As you mentioned,
Ben Johnson had a series of blunders, most notably at
the very end of the game. They're trying to come
back and make something out of nothing there at the end,
and rather than order a kickoff either out of bounds
into the end zone for a touchback, or even an
onside kick. He kicks it only about two three yards
into the end zone, and Kevin O'Connell, as smart as
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he is, has his returner pause for a second burned
just enough time to advance back to the doom in
the warning, then return it out, which means that the
Chicago Bears lost about forty seconds. It's a huge play.
By not doing that, it's a huge play.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
And there we go.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Caleb Williams good start, bad finish, just a CE day
for me. Didn't play that well. But there were other issues,
including Santos the kicker. When I look at this, Ben Johnson,
a rookie head coach, you gotta make sure that everybody
understands this.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
You know, like the end of the game.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
We see it over and over, you know where coaches
get out coached or don't know what they're doing clock management.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
How many times have we seen that?
Speaker 5 (01:59):
But the Antos one is the one that bothers me
even more because he really he botched it. There was
two things. He missed a fifty yard field goal right,
and the bad part is that would have given the
Bears a fourteen point lead.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Instead.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Remember with the miss, the Vikings got the ball on
a forty yard line, So it's not just the mist
of the three points. You're giving them great field position,
which of course they cashed in and scored a touchdown
six plays later. So and then so there's three things there.
Miss field goal. God's going to miss field goals. I'm
not saying he's got to make everyone fifty nowadays is
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very makeable. People are making what looks like could be
sixty five seventy with regularity. So he misses the fifty
yard aup bad and then you know, they get the
ball on the forty able to score a touchdown changes
the game like overnight. And then you gotta kick the
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ball out of the end zone, right, you can't can't
be a return. Forty seconds is a lot of time
in the NFL. It's the different you saw at the
end of the half where the Vikings were able to
go and I would they have twenty five seconds, twenty
three seconds and they got three points out of it.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
It's a lot of time. We saw the Bills do
that to the Ravens. Am I right.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Yet there's a lot of time that's like and we
saw the Kansas City Chiefs beat the Bills with thirteen
seconds to go. Thirteen you think, oh, there's no, that's
plenty of time. So those forty seconds lost. So it
was a Bears loss all over the board. I just
can't pin this on Caleb. Should he play better, Absolutely,
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he started off great, you know, but it didn't play
well all the way through. But the kicking game, the
inexperienced head coach had a lot to do.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
With it as well.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, it was a tel of two hats for two teams.
I'll start with the Bears because I think that's where
obviously this goes, because they were up. One of the
things that happened in real time you and I were
sitting here. I said it on the air and didn't
even when we were chatting, was the Bears had to
get more points. I said it on the air, I said,
looks like they're dominating this first half.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
The Vikings look dead. They couldn't move the ball.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
They had fifty I think forty fifty yards and then
you had Caleb Williams already with a buck seventy and
at that point in time they had like ten points,
might even been seven. At the point in time, and
so I said, you gotta come away with more points less.
You gotta come away and that's not a field goal
that needs to be a touchdown, or that punt needs
to have been a field goal.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
You gotta get points.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
They weren't able to do that, because then what happens
is you go into a second half and if you're
the Vikings, you say, well, shoot, we played horribly. We
played as bad as we could play. JJ McCarthy look
bad defense, you're letting Caleb carve us up. And yet
we're still in this game. And that's the reason why
you wanted to take full advantage of that first half
if you're the Bears and they didn't, and then you
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get a completely reversal between quarterbacks and also coaches as well.
Caleb Williams. The issue with him was the fact that
he was so off target. Thirty percent of his passes
were off targe thirty two quarterbacks started in the NFL.
He can't be last. You can't be last. You can
be twentieth, you can be fifteenth, you can't be last
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when it comes to your targets. How off target he was,
that's obviously gonna be an issue. He has to handle
the blitz more. Brian Flores was playing chess, not checkers.
Brian Flores said, all right, first half, let you dink
and dunk. Let you get some nice passes, all right.
I think he was thirteen for fifteen. All right, cool
second half chess match, and he blitzed them on I
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believe it was forty four percent of his passes. So
he went from twenty nine percent getting blitzed to forty four.
And you see, Caleb was rattled and he couldn't handle it,
and that was why he had such a bad second half. Also,
Ben Johnson, Ben Johnson forgot he has multiple things to
think about. You're not just the offensive coordinator. You also
the coach, says, is overseeing the defense, the offense, the
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special teams. And you can tell he's not used to
the overarching yet, where do you're the head coach? Not
just worried about kayleb Williams, just matt at Kaylen Williams
for his bad pass, Not just.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Mad because they didn't do this, dude, we need to
worry about.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Also, what we could game plan is defensively, what we're
gonna do with the special teams as you mentioned, So
overall I think they got it was two tales of
a half. Kevin O'Connell has now been a coach for
several years, head coach, comfortable, knew what he was doing,
knew he could get the best out of J. J.
McCarthy in the second half. Brian Flores, who has played
Ben Johnson plenty of times. Ben Johnson offensive coordinating for Lions.
(06:25):
Brian Floor is over there of course with the Avis.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
But I think you've left out one part too. The
Bears were heavily penalized twelve penalties for one hundred.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
No but you say that though I was getting to it,
I wrote it down penalty.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
You're not gonna win a game when you get one
hundred and twenty seven penalties, and that goes that's coaching.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
That's coaching, and that goes to I believe some of
the issues we saw in the offseason with the penalties
you have. Ben Johnson was upset at the offense. Remember
he pulled them off completely, pulled the first stringers off
the field. One of the things he's mentioned we got
to be better in timing. They have four false starts.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
But they also had holdings that stop drives and plays.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
But you can't have false starts. You can't have when
you're trying to produce points. And that's what to me.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
One hundred and twenty seven yards and penalties. You're just
not gonna win when you do that. And especially it
wasn't like they turned the ball over right like, that's
the other part.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Uh So there was a lot of.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Sad you me, they got seven points from the pick six,
A lot of stuff that went on. Well, that's just
part of football, No, that's what I'm saying. So you
would want to take advantage of the fact we got
six the other team gave us six seven.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
That's just a part of solo game.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
The other thing, too, is what shocking is you're a
Michigan fan and you had no scouting report on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
You thought he couldn't throw. You can change your mind.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
No, no, no, what the stand by what I said.
I was shocked they went to tenth. That's where all
I sit here myself. But but you said that you
didn't you know, he wasn't known as a passer. He
was known as a great game manager winner. The team's
won in first couple of last couple of years, they
won a national championship. So we folks like myself who
saw a snap to tenth.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
I saw people jump on him in the first half
because of that.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Oh there's some people who jump big people. Yeah, they
jumped on him. And I'm just saying to me, and
what did I say to you? I can't evaluate him
as a pastor because he didn't pass a lot in college.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Right, That doesn't mean he can't pass.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
That's the offense that That's why.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
You know what I mean. And that's all I was
saying to you is I can't do that.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
I can't say he's not a pastor yet because I
just haven't seen enough body of work to say he's
a good pastor or not.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
My shock was that he went to tenth because he
had he didn't have to be. He won a national
championship too. But the overall take last point for me
is I want to see Caleb Williams make some things
happen when it matters because he didn't have to do it.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
In college.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
The team didn't win a bunch the year he won
the Heisman, they didn't win a bunch the second year.
Us he was expected to do great things those two
years he was there, they did see the defense on
that and I did, and I still want more from Williams,
and I want a much better second half from Kayle.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Let's go take a look at what what they gave
up in that they had no defense his second year.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
It's okay, I need more out of you, Caleb.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
I'm just saying that team collapse defensively USC.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
But what I'm saying is for him to be the talent.
I haven't got the results. Individually. I got the Heisman,
but as a collective, I have not gotten the results
for all the hype and the talent that I've had
now for three years of Caleb Williams two at USC
one at it with the Bears.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
But now should do did great? Because he didn't have
offensive line? I'm sorry where where? Because because you because
you made didn't have anything? Battle not be Q three.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
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Speaker 2 (10:42):
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It's microwavecake with.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
The yeah what what you viewed it more?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I'm wondering if that's gonna get more of a pass
to Jalen Oh because again he got kicked out. The
whole game was literally he didn't play a single snap.
So I think that is the game that they could
say he was suspended for a game because it was
that whole game. WHOA, that sounds like something I said today?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
So that was last week? Verbada what I said today?
That's a Michael Wave take. When did y'all tape that
inside the studio? You just take.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, you just take receipts around here the kitchen.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I know, I know you just taped it. And then yeah, yeah,
I get it. But it's okay. You know what I like.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
You know what I like, what I pride myself in
is when the Lions might lose or this might happen,
and the next day, I gotta come in and sit
next to you, and I know you're gonna let me
know I was right, and I say, Rob, you were
right or Rob, I was wrong? Why fold you can't
say that, huh, that was dumb. You were right, you
(11:55):
said it. You called it verbatim. Can't say I don't
have to say you said it? Can you say no,
you said it?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I want to make sure this one, to make sure
you can say, you know, I said it exactly how
it happened.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
That's so I said, Rob, you was right, man, you're right.
You called it. You called it just like the Lions
were going to Super Bowl last year, right, And I said,
you were right, you were right the Lion. I'd rather
you say just you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You don't have to say I'm right, okay, But then
you say no, you say, that's what you just say.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
So you got to say, come on, come all right,
come on, we got trash talking coming.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I see it in about thirty five minutes or so.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
So you have a chance to trash anyone anything in
the world of sports.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, I'm ready to trash somebody to uh. Secondarily, Uh
that would be Tyreek Hill, Rob g We talked about
this over the summer.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
We got another Aaron Judge watched. Oh no, that was
Cody Bellen. Look at you two nothing Yankees do it?
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Ain't even look is Aaron Joe? Oh no, Cody bell Anyways,
keep going, this is what I talk He has a
home run. Oh my god, that's got racist. You gotta
start mL he rob MLB snow Is that what you
gotta do? I'LB dude coming out? No, Alex m LB
snow is that would have gotta be the secondary website
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who hits before Bellinger?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Well, Bellinger, it was Aaron John I just I'm doing
a radio show.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I have my head turned on, so you can't wait.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
And then I turned back in the both Alex, Alex,
I need that marked so when something happened and not
go oh even are you calling him out?
Speaker 4 (13:28):
You know? Rob all light Skins look alike it's okay,
that's what it is. Hey, it's Ben Rice is up now,
So don't look.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Don't don't look. Ben Rices just don't want you to
pay attention. Hey, I'll tell you what he did out.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
If he was Uncle ben Rice, then I would watch people.
We know, then they would have to change the name
Uncle Bendo. Now wish you really got to do real talk, Robbie.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
You got a corner of the market and get MLB
broad dot com as well, and then they have no
idea that you're the shadow guy covering both both sides
of the plate.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Racist that the shadow.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
It's just like, it's just like, it's just like with
Pillsbury makes the discounted biscuits that cost a dollar, you
know what I mean. So they make those biscuits and
they make the high priced biscuits.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
That's how you corner them.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Mark, that could be you. Yeah, all right, all right,
I gave you the name too. I just want at
least ten percent fee.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So, anyway, that was Cody Belinger. Back to what I
was saying, Guy.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Apparently you're the only one who cares about Cody. Only
one person on the show care that it was Cody Bellinger.
To turn to turn.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Hey, oh, Tony can have seven strikeouts in a row
and I can't.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Mention it even Hey, man, come on, man, we doing
the show. Stay focused, Judge, he puts money in Rob's pocket,
that's why. Oh that wasn't Aaron Judge. My bad like that? Yes,
you know you didn't exactly because there was Cody Bellinger
you Oh, never mind, No, I just Tody. I just
thought he had another home runner.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I stood up real quick and he sat back round
the wrong persuasion for the occasion.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
You never saw me get up. Come on, Rob, Ge,
Yes we have. I'm a reporter.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, yeah, and we are reporting on you right now
the show. No, we've been trying to do the show.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Speaking of reporting, rods getting reported hr for that violation
right there.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
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Speaker 4 (15:16):
App Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, this is not a fun story, but we got
to talk about it. Actually, as you guys know, he's
currently going through it with his strange wife and she
has a legend. In the latest court filings, that he
committed domestic violence on at least eight separate occasions just
in the last two years. So he obviously denies all wrongdoing.
His attorneys say that this is the one big shakedown.
(15:39):
It's all going to play out here in court. But
it does add to the laundry list of issues that
Tyreek Hill has brought now to the Dolphins organization. Obviously
last season, some of his social media commentary about Hey,
I think I missed Patrick Mahomes, Patrickhomes and what could
have been? And he's throwing these hard emojis on his
ig story. He's you know, all the way down to
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some of the comments he made about his own team,
even as recently as in training camp, where he went
on record and said, hey, maybe we shouldn't give the
ball to Devon a Chan. Are you running back one
I have the goal line? Because that's not his game.
We should bring another guy. And it got to a
point where to a tongue of bi low I had
to actually have a private conversation number one and then
publicly tell the media that, hey, Tyreek has alienated a
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lot of his teammates. He's done and said things he
knows you shouldn't have done, and it's up to him
to mend fences. Well, I don't know if this is
really helping in that regard right now.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Well for me, listen, I haven't I'm gonna act like
I'm a mathematician. I haven't figured out all the details
on the financial lens and that matters. So I don't
want to act like that doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
We know this is the cat League, but there's some
way I have to find out. And sometimes you got
to just swallow your medicine and do what's best for
your organization. And I'm I'm interested in moving off, whether
that be a trade, whether that finding a way if
I have to release him, because ultimately, here's a couple
of reasons why. Number one, how long do I even
have him before something happens where the league says that
(17:05):
he has you know, we're gonna suspend him two games,
four games, six games, eight games, whatever it may happen.
He continues to have these issues. Rob Gi just stated
the numbers any amount of times. Also, rob g mentioned
how we see the flirting shooting the dms are and
the text message and the tweets and the Instagram's back
to the chiefs and doing all of that. So then
the other issue for me, if I'm Michael McDaniel and
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if I'm anybody in that organization, is let's say he
stays here. Let's say for whatever reason she recants, they
don't he doesn't get in any trouble with the league
or with an investigation outside with police.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
How long do I have him? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Because what if we're not a great team, what if
we end up going one in three? Is he out again?
Is he hey, chiefs, I want to come back. I
need to get out of here. I can't believe I
decided to come back.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
I'm out. I need freedom. I can't breathe.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
How long before that he came back and he was
normally a captain. His team chose to not make him
a captain this year, and you had two all talk
to him and say yes, And a lot of guys
said we forgive him because that's what we're supposed to do.
But it also means he's got to earn our trust.
That's what tuisaid. And so to me, I'm I'm looking
at what's best for us, and what's best for us
is probably to move forward and find something else. Again,
(18:13):
if it's a trade if he's eligible for a trade meeting,
nothing happens with the league, then I'm looking at that
because I don't want to go through the I wonder
if we're gonna have him the personal issues off the field. Okay,
on the field, he's not getting enough passes. He went
you know, he only got a few attempts this, this,
you know, past attempts this game. If we're gonna lose
him mentally, he's gonna check out's he not gonna be there.
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So I can't keep playing that game. I want guys
who are adults on and off the field. And I
understand we all make mistakes. He's been given that grace,
but how much more must I extend this grace and
for the debt to the point where it becomes a
detriment to my team. That's where I am with Tyreek
Hill because I just can't keep doing this as I'm
trying to build continuity, build something, bounce back from a horrid,
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horrid Week one, and move forward. And I'm I'm just
looking at we may have to his heart, wasn't it.
He wants to go with Dagan. You know what, Let
me find a way to make that happen.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, I think it's just premature.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
You got to be very careful because he hasn't been
convicted of anything.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And I'm not talking about the team.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
But this is why you're saying this now because of
what just came out.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
You didn't say this before the season. You didn't say this. Well,
I said that last season when he came, when he kept.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
But I'm saying, but this is this is you're saying
now to make a move. You can't make a move
until this plays out. You need to find out. I'll
never forget Dave Anderson a tremendous sports columnist for the
New York Times.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
He's passed, but he was a tremendous columnist.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
And there were accusations made about Michael Irvin and they
wrote a column in the New York Times that they
should release them, you know what I mean, and get
rid of them or whatever, only for what do you
think happened?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
What do you think happened the woman?
Speaker 5 (19:57):
We can't and took everything back and knowledge that she
made it up, so.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
And I don't know what the details are whatever.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
So I'm just always careful before if they go to
trial and there's some situation and then you have a
situation where where you can make a call. I'll never
forget Marv Albert with NBC, and Marv Albert said he
was innocent, remember with the biting the woman in the
whole nine yards And I remember he told him, NBC said,
(20:25):
we'll stand by you as long as you don't cop
a plea. You said you're innocent, as long as you
don't cop a plea. Marv went in cop the plea.
And what do you think NBC did? They fired him
right on the spot. So all I'm saying to you is,
this is Tyreek's Hill's resume rap sheet. This ain't even
new when they gave him that big go look at
(20:46):
his college days and what he did. Okay, so now
you're looking and going, oh, look at him and what
he's to Jude.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
This is what you signed up for when you signed up.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
And Rob g correct me if i'm wasn't it like
some pregnant girlfriend he threw down the stairs or there
was some crazy type behavior back then, and people because
he could play football and catch the football and run
like a deer, people overlooked that stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Aaron Hernandez and you know what he was on.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Some teams do not draft list, and the Patriots said, oh,
look at this guy, We're going to be smarter than
everybody else. And what happened, Oh they talked about they
got they got duped. They didn't get duped. He had
a rap sheet, he had all this other stuff that
people knew about, and all the.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
And then and and it was allegedly punching and choking
his pregnant girlfriend.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
I knew there was some really bad behavior, and that
didn't stop him, is my point.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
And I'm not making excuse for him.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
All I'm saying is they knew all this kind of stuff,
and we have to wait and see how this thing
plays out. If you just feel like you don't want
them on a team anymore because of the other stuff,
where I know that would be, that would be fine.
But I'm just saying off of this alone can't be
the reason why, but that we don't know where we are.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
But that's where we'll fundamentally disagree. Off of this alone,
I've had enough, period, I had enough of it.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
You don't even know if that's so what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
As an organization, I can say I've had enough of headlines.
If this was his first one, I get you, yo,
you know something happened, but you signed a ton of headlines,
right right, don't keep adding if I've said we.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
We if this is totally false and they made I'm
asking you want my headlines. I'm saying your wife or quest.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Okay, now what that's fine for me? The census you've
had enough. There's called grace. People get a lot of
you know what, stuff happens, and when you you know this,
when stuff keeps happening to somebody, you go eventually enough
is enough, period, right And so we already barely wanted
to bring you back with all that.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
I'm ready to go, trade me, get me out of here.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
T had to have meetings to see how everybody felt
about it, all right, We had to have.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Presstomas that they wanted to get rid of him. They
could have long gotten rid of them. He could play.
It would have got back, and he didn't want to play.
That's my point. And so at a certain point, how
much longer do I is great? Listen, And this is
where I have to be a prognosticator from the team.
We don't look like we're gonna be a great team.
Do we expect this to be as bad as we?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
One know?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
But when we look up and we're one and four
or two and five, how long before that ticking bomb
happens again? He's done it multiple times. Get me out
of here. I want to be free trade me Hey boo,
Kansas City. And you have to be sometimes saying this
is gonna happen, because this has been the history and
this is what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
I might as well get out of this early.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It's part of my job as a general manager is
to have to have an overarching view of things. I
can see this is coming quietly behind doors. We ain't
as great as we think.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
We are. Losing might be a part of the day,
the schedule.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
We need to jump ahead of this and see if
we can look at either get something for him while
we can before he implodes, or before something happens we
lose him off the field.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Cayleb Williams got off to a scintilating start during our show.
He started out ten for ten at it touch.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
This is a replay.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I thought it first half, thirteen of sixteen passing, it
was all looking good. They got to pick six there
in the third quarter, but after halftime it was all
downhill for Caleb Williams. He finished the second half eight
of nineteen. He had an NFL worst off target rate
of twenty nine point four percent of Week one, which
means about thirty percent of his passes were off target. Again,
(00:54):
but he was not the only problem. As you mentioned,
Ben Johnson had a series of blunders, most notably at
the very end of the game. They're trying to come
back and make something out of nothing there at the end,
and rather than order a kickoff either out of bounds
into the end zone for a touchback, or even an
onside kick. He kicks it only about two three yards
into the end zone, and Kevin O'Connell, as smart as
(01:15):
he is, has his returner pause for a second burned
just enough time to advance back to the doom in
the warning, then return it out, which means that the
Chicago Bears lost about forty seconds. It's a huge play.
By not doing that, it's a huge play.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
And there we go.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Caleb Williams good start, bad finish, just a CE day
for me. Didn't play that well. But there were other issues,
including Santos the kicker. When I look at this, Ben Johnson,
a rookie head coach, you gotta make sure that everybody
understands this.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
You know, like the end of the game.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
We see it over and over, you know where coaches
get out coached or don't know what they're doing clock management.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
How many times have we seen that?
Speaker 5 (01:59):
But the Antos one is the one that bothers me
even more because he really he botched it. There was
two things. He missed a fifty yard field goal right,
and the bad part is that would have given the
Bears a fourteen point lead.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Instead.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Remember with the miss, the Vikings got the ball on
a forty yard line, So it's not just the mist
of the three points. You're giving them great field position,
which of course they cashed in and scored a touchdown
six plays later. So and then so there's three things there.
Miss field goal. God's going to miss field goals. I'm
not saying he's got to make everyone fifty nowadays is
(02:37):
very makeable. People are making what looks like could be
sixty five seventy with regularity. So he misses the fifty
yard aup bad and then you know, they get the
ball on the forty able to score a touchdown changes
the game like overnight. And then you gotta kick the
(02:57):
ball out of the end zone, right, you can't can't
be a return. Forty seconds is a lot of time
in the NFL. It's the different you saw at the
end of the half where the Vikings were able to
go and I would they have twenty five seconds, twenty
three seconds and they got three points out of it.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
It's a lot of time. We saw the Bills do
that to the Ravens. Am I right.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Yet there's a lot of time that's like and we
saw the Kansas City Chiefs beat the Bills with thirteen
seconds to go. Thirteen you think, oh, there's no, that's
plenty of time. So those forty seconds lost. So it
was a Bears loss all over the board. I just
can't pin this on Caleb. Should he play better, Absolutely,
(03:39):
he started off great, you know, but it didn't play
well all the way through. But the kicking game, the
inexperienced head coach had a lot to do.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
With it as well.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, it was a tel of two hats for two teams.
I'll start with the Bears because I think that's where
obviously this goes, because they were up. One of the
things that happened in real time you and I were
sitting here. I said it on the air and didn't
even when we were chatting, was the Bears had to
get more points. I said it on the air, I said,
looks like they're dominating this first half.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
The Vikings look dead. They couldn't move the ball.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
They had fifty I think forty fifty yards and then
you had Caleb Williams already with a buck seventy and
at that point in time they had like ten points,
might even been seven. At the point in time, and
so I said, you gotta come away with more points less.
You gotta come away and that's not a field goal
that needs to be a touchdown, or that punt needs
to have been a field goal.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
You gotta get points.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
They weren't able to do that, because then what happens
is you go into a second half and if you're
the Vikings, you say, well, shoot, we played horribly. We
played as bad as we could play. JJ McCarthy look
bad defense, you're letting Caleb carve us up. And yet
we're still in this game. And that's the reason why
you wanted to take full advantage of that first half
if you're the Bears and they didn't, and then you
(04:48):
get a completely reversal between quarterbacks and also coaches as well.
Caleb Williams. The issue with him was the fact that
he was so off target. Thirty percent of his passes
were off targe thirty two quarterbacks started in the NFL.
He can't be last. You can't be last. You can
be twentieth, you can be fifteenth, you can't be last
(05:09):
when it comes to your targets. How off target he was,
that's obviously gonna be an issue. He has to handle
the blitz more. Brian Flores was playing chess, not checkers.
Brian Flores said, all right, first half, let you dink
and dunk. Let you get some nice passes, all right.
I think he was thirteen for fifteen. All right, cool
second half chess match, and he blitzed them on I
(05:30):
believe it was forty four percent of his passes. So
he went from twenty nine percent getting blitzed to forty four.
And you see, Caleb was rattled and he couldn't handle it,
and that was why he had such a bad second half. Also,
Ben Johnson, Ben Johnson forgot he has multiple things to
think about. You're not just the offensive coordinator. You also
the coach, says, is overseeing the defense, the offense, the
(05:52):
special teams. And you can tell he's not used to
the overarching yet, where do you're the head coach? Not
just worried about kayleb Williams, just matt at Kaylen Williams
for his bad pass, Not just.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Mad because they didn't do this, dude, we need to
worry about.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Also, what we could game plan is defensively, what we're
gonna do with the special teams as you mentioned, So
overall I think they got it was two tales of
a half. Kevin O'Connell has now been a coach for
several years, head coach, comfortable, knew what he was doing,
knew he could get the best out of J. J.
McCarthy in the second half. Brian Flores, who has played
Ben Johnson plenty of times. Ben Johnson offensive coordinating for Lions.
(06:25):
Brian Floor is over there of course with the Avis.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
But I think you've left out one part too. The
Bears were heavily penalized twelve penalties for one hundred.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
No but you say that though I was getting to it,
I wrote it down penalty.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
You're not gonna win a game when you get one
hundred and twenty seven penalties, and that goes that's coaching.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
That's coaching, and that goes to I believe some of
the issues we saw in the offseason with the penalties
you have. Ben Johnson was upset at the offense. Remember
he pulled them off completely, pulled the first stringers off
the field. One of the things he's mentioned we got
to be better in timing. They have four false starts.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
But they also had holdings that stop drives and plays.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
But you can't have false starts. You can't have when
you're trying to produce points. And that's what to me.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
One hundred and twenty seven yards and penalties. You're just
not gonna win when you do that. And especially it
wasn't like they turned the ball over right like, that's
the other part.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Uh So there was a lot of.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Sad you me, they got seven points from the pick six,
A lot of stuff that went on. Well, that's just
part of football, No, that's what I'm saying. So you
would want to take advantage of the fact we got
six the other team gave us six seven.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
That's just a part of solo game.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
The other thing, too, is what shocking is you're a
Michigan fan and you had no scouting report on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
You thought he couldn't throw. You can change your mind.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
No, no, no, what the stand by what I said.
I was shocked they went to tenth. That's where all
I sit here myself. But but you said that you
didn't you know, he wasn't known as a passer. He
was known as a great game manager winner. The team's
won in first couple of last couple of years, they
won a national championship. So we folks like myself who
saw a snap to tenth.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
I saw people jump on him in the first half
because of that.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Oh there's some people who jump big people. Yeah, they
jumped on him. And I'm just saying to me, and
what did I say to you? I can't evaluate him
as a pastor because he didn't pass a lot in college.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Right, That doesn't mean he can't pass.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
That's the offense that That's why.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
You know what I mean. And that's all I was
saying to you is I can't do that.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
I can't say he's not a pastor yet because I
just haven't seen enough body of work to say he's
a good pastor or not.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
My shock was that he went to tenth because he
had he didn't have to be. He won a national
championship too. But the overall take last point for me
is I want to see Caleb Williams make some things
happen when it matters because he didn't have to do it.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
In college.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
The team didn't win a bunch the year he won
the Heisman, they didn't win a bunch the second year.
Us he was expected to do great things those two
years he was there, they did see the defense on
that and I did, and I still want more from Williams,
and I want a much better second half from Kayle.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Let's go take a look at what what they gave
up in that they had no defense his second year.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
It's okay, I need more out of you, Caleb.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
I'm just saying that team collapse defensively USC.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
But what I'm saying is for him to be the talent.
I haven't got the results. Individually. I got the Heisman,
but as a collective, I have not gotten the results
for all the hype and the talent that I've had
now for three years of Caleb Williams two at USC
one at it with the Bears.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
But now should do did great? Because he didn't have
offensive line? I'm sorry where where? Because because you because
you made didn't have anything? Battle not be Q three.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
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Speaker 2 (10:42):
Time to rehitch an old Hount take that's gone colside Sai.
It's microwavecake with.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
The yeah what what you viewed it more?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I'm wondering if that's gonna get more of a pass
to Jalen Oh because again he got kicked out. The
whole game was literally he didn't play a single snap.
So I think that is the game that they could
say he was suspended for a game because it was
that whole game. WHOA, that sounds like something I said today?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
So that was last week? Verbada what I said today?
That's a Michael Wave take. When did y'all tape that
inside the studio? You just take.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, you just take receipts around here the kitchen.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I know, I know you just taped it. And then yeah, yeah,
I get it. But it's okay. You know what I like.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
You know what I like, what I pride myself in
is when the Lions might lose or this might happen,
and the next day, I gotta come in and sit
next to you, and I know you're gonna let me
know I was right, and I say, Rob, you were
right or Rob, I was wrong? Why fold you can't
say that, huh, that was dumb. You were right, you
(11:55):
said it. You called it verbatim. Can't say I don't
have to say you said it? Can you say no,
you said it?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I want to make sure this one, to make sure
you can say, you know, I said it exactly how
it happened.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
That's so I said, Rob, you was right, man, you're right.
You called it. You called it just like the Lions
were going to Super Bowl last year, right, And I said,
you were right, you were right the Lion. I'd rather
you say just you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You don't have to say I'm right, okay, But then
you say no, you say, that's what you just say.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
So you got to say, come on, come all right,
come on, we got trash talking coming.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I see it in about thirty five minutes or so.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
So you have a chance to trash anyone anything in
the world of sports.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, I'm ready to trash somebody to uh. Secondarily, Uh
that would be Tyreek Hill, Rob g We talked about
this over the summer.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
We got another Aaron Judge watched. Oh no, that was
Cody Bellen. Look at you two nothing Yankees do it?
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Ain't even look is Aaron Joe? Oh no, Cody bell Anyways,
keep going, this is what I talk He has a
home run. Oh my god, that's got racist. You gotta
start mL he rob MLB snow Is that what you
gotta do? I'LB dude coming out? No, Alex m LB
snow is that would have gotta be the secondary website
(13:11):
who hits before Bellinger?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Well, Bellinger, it was Aaron John I just I'm doing
a radio show.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I have my head turned on, so you can't wait.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
And then I turned back in the both Alex, Alex,
I need that marked so when something happened and not
go oh even are you calling him out?
Speaker 4 (13:28):
You know? Rob all light Skins look alike it's okay,
that's what it is. Hey, it's Ben Rice is up now,
So don't look.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Don't don't look. Ben Rices just don't want you to
pay attention. Hey, I'll tell you what he did out.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
If he was Uncle ben Rice, then I would watch people.
We know, then they would have to change the name
Uncle Bendo. Now wish you really got to do real talk, Robbie.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
You got a corner of the market and get MLB
broad dot com as well, and then they have no
idea that you're the shadow guy covering both both sides
of the plate.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Racist that the shadow.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
It's just like, it's just like, it's just like with
Pillsbury makes the discounted biscuits that cost a dollar, you
know what I mean. So they make those biscuits and
they make the high priced biscuits.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
That's how you corner them.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Mark, that could be you. Yeah, all right, all right,
I gave you the name too. I just want at
least ten percent fee.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So, anyway, that was Cody Belinger. Back to what I
was saying, Guy.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Apparently you're the only one who cares about Cody. Only
one person on the show care that it was Cody Bellinger.
To turn to turn.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Hey, oh, Tony can have seven strikeouts in a row
and I can't.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Mention it even Hey, man, come on, man, we doing
the show. Stay focused, Judge, he puts money in Rob's pocket,
that's why. Oh that wasn't Aaron Judge. My bad like that? Yes,
you know you didn't exactly because there was Cody Bellinger
you Oh, never mind, No, I just Tody. I just
thought he had another home runner.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I stood up real quick and he sat back round
the wrong persuasion for the occasion.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
You never saw me get up. Come on, Rob, Ge,
Yes we have. I'm a reporter.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, yeah, and we are reporting on you right now
the show. No, we've been trying to do the show.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Speaking of reporting, rods getting reported hr for that violation
right there.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
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Speaker 4 (15:16):
App Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, this is not a fun story, but we got
to talk about it. Actually, as you guys know, he's
currently going through it with his strange wife and she
has a legend. In the latest court filings, that he
committed domestic violence on at least eight separate occasions just
in the last two years. So he obviously denies all wrongdoing.
His attorneys say that this is the one big shakedown.
(15:39):
It's all going to play out here in court. But
it does add to the laundry list of issues that
Tyreek Hill has brought now to the Dolphins organization. Obviously
last season, some of his social media commentary about Hey,
I think I missed Patrick Mahomes, Patrickhomes and what could
have been? And he's throwing these hard emojis on his
ig story. He's you know, all the way down to
(16:01):
some of the comments he made about his own team,
even as recently as in training camp, where he went
on record and said, hey, maybe we shouldn't give the
ball to Devon a Chan. Are you running back one
I have the goal line? Because that's not his game.
We should bring another guy. And it got to a
point where to a tongue of bi low I had
to actually have a private conversation number one and then
publicly tell the media that, hey, Tyreek has alienated a
(16:24):
lot of his teammates. He's done and said things he
knows you shouldn't have done, and it's up to him
to mend fences. Well, I don't know if this is
really helping in that regard right now.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Well for me, listen, I haven't I'm gonna act like
I'm a mathematician. I haven't figured out all the details
on the financial lens and that matters. So I don't
want to act like that doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
We know this is the cat League, but there's some
way I have to find out. And sometimes you got
to just swallow your medicine and do what's best for
your organization. And I'm I'm interested in moving off, whether
that be a trade, whether that finding a way if
I have to release him, because ultimately, here's a couple
of reasons why. Number one, how long do I even
have him before something happens where the league says that
(17:05):
he has you know, we're gonna suspend him two games,
four games, six games, eight games, whatever it may happen.
He continues to have these issues. Rob Gi just stated
the numbers any amount of times. Also, rob g mentioned
how we see the flirting shooting the dms are and
the text message and the tweets and the Instagram's back
to the chiefs and doing all of that. So then
the other issue for me, if I'm Michael McDaniel and
(17:25):
if I'm anybody in that organization, is let's say he
stays here. Let's say for whatever reason she recants, they
don't he doesn't get in any trouble with the league
or with an investigation outside with police.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
How long do I have him? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Because what if we're not a great team, what if
we end up going one in three? Is he out again?
Is he hey, chiefs, I want to come back. I
need to get out of here. I can't believe I
decided to come back.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
I'm out. I need freedom. I can't breathe.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
How long before that he came back and he was
normally a captain. His team chose to not make him
a captain this year, and you had two all talk
to him and say yes, And a lot of guys
said we forgive him because that's what we're supposed to do.
But it also means he's got to earn our trust.
That's what tuisaid. And so to me, I'm I'm looking
at what's best for us, and what's best for us
is probably to move forward and find something else. Again,
(18:13):
if it's a trade if he's eligible for a trade meeting,
nothing happens with the league, then I'm looking at that
because I don't want to go through the I wonder
if we're gonna have him the personal issues off the field. Okay,
on the field, he's not getting enough passes. He went
you know, he only got a few attempts this, this,
you know, past attempts this game. If we're gonna lose
him mentally, he's gonna check out's he not gonna be there.
(18:35):
So I can't keep playing that game. I want guys
who are adults on and off the field. And I
understand we all make mistakes. He's been given that grace,
but how much more must I extend this grace and
for the debt to the point where it becomes a
detriment to my team. That's where I am with Tyreek
Hill because I just can't keep doing this as I'm
trying to build continuity, build something, bounce back from a horrid,
(18:55):
horrid Week one, and move forward. And I'm I'm just
looking at we may have to his heart, wasn't it.
He wants to go with Dagan. You know what, Let
me find a way to make that happen.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, I think it's just premature.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
You got to be very careful because he hasn't been
convicted of anything.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And I'm not talking about the team.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
But this is why you're saying this now because of
what just came out.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
You didn't say this before the season. You didn't say this. Well,
I said that last season when he came, when he kept.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
But I'm saying, but this is this is you're saying
now to make a move. You can't make a move
until this plays out. You need to find out. I'll
never forget Dave Anderson a tremendous sports columnist for the
New York Times.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
He's passed, but he was a tremendous columnist.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
And there were accusations made about Michael Irvin and they
wrote a column in the New York Times that they
should release them, you know what I mean, and get
rid of them or whatever, only for what do you
think happened?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
What do you think happened the woman?
Speaker 5 (19:57):
We can't and took everything back and knowledge that she
made it up, so.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
And I don't know what the details are whatever.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
So I'm just always careful before if they go to
trial and there's some situation and then you have a
situation where where you can make a call. I'll never
forget Marv Albert with NBC, and Marv Albert said he
was innocent, remember with the biting the woman in the
whole nine yards And I remember he told him, NBC said,
(20:25):
we'll stand by you as long as you don't cop
a plea. You said you're innocent, as long as you
don't cop a plea. Marv went in cop the plea.
And what do you think NBC did? They fired him
right on the spot. So all I'm saying to you is,
this is Tyreek's Hill's resume rap sheet. This ain't even
new when they gave him that big go look at
(20:46):
his college days and what he did. Okay, so now
you're looking and going, oh, look at him and what
he's to Jude.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
This is what you signed up for when you signed up.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
And Rob g correct me if i'm wasn't it like
some pregnant girlfriend he threw down the stairs or there
was some crazy type behavior back then, and people because
he could play football and catch the football and run
like a deer, people overlooked that stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Aaron Hernandez and you know what he was on.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Some teams do not draft list, and the Patriots said, oh,
look at this guy, We're going to be smarter than
everybody else. And what happened, Oh they talked about they
got they got duped. They didn't get duped. He had
a rap sheet, he had all this other stuff that
people knew about, and all the.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
And then and and it was allegedly punching and choking
his pregnant girlfriend.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
I knew there was some really bad behavior, and that
didn't stop him, is my point.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
And I'm not making excuse for him.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
All I'm saying is they knew all this kind of stuff,
and we have to wait and see how this thing
plays out. If you just feel like you don't want
them on a team anymore because of the other stuff,
where I know that would be, that would be fine.
But I'm just saying off of this alone can't be
the reason why, but that we don't know where we are.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
But that's where we'll fundamentally disagree. Off of this alone,
I've had enough, period, I had enough of it.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
You don't even know if that's so what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
As an organization, I can say I've had enough of headlines.
If this was his first one, I get you, yo,
you know something happened, but you signed a ton of headlines,
right right, don't keep adding if I've said we.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
We if this is totally false and they made I'm
asking you want my headlines. I'm saying your wife or quest.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Okay, now what that's fine for me? The census you've
had enough. There's called grace. People get a lot of
you know what, stuff happens, and when you you know this,
when stuff keeps happening to somebody, you go eventually enough
is enough, period, right And so we already barely wanted
to bring you back with all that.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
I'm ready to go, trade me, get me out of here.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
T had to have meetings to see how everybody felt
about it, all right, We had to have.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Presstomas that they wanted to get rid of him. They
could have long gotten rid of them. He could play.
It would have got back, and he didn't want to play.
That's my point. And so at a certain point, how
much longer do I is great? Listen, And this is
where I have to be a prognosticator from the team.
We don't look like we're gonna be a great team.
Do we expect this to be as bad as we?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
One know?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
But when we look up and we're one and four
or two and five, how long before that ticking bomb
happens again? He's done it multiple times. Get me out
of here. I want to be free trade me Hey boo,
Kansas City. And you have to be sometimes saying this
is gonna happen, because this has been the history and
this is what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
I might as well get out of this early.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It's part of my job as a general manager is
to have to have an overarching view of things. I
can see this is coming quietly behind doors. We ain't
as great as we think.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
We are. Losing might be a part of the day,
the schedule.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
We need to jump ahead of this and see if
we can look at either get something for him while
we can before he implodes, or before something happens we
lose him off the field.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
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