September 10, 2025 • 33 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether Dan Campbell is starting to already crack under the pressure of expectations in Detroit without his two all-star coordinators in tow, and explain why Steph Curry is dead wrong when he says that today’s NBA is more skilled than ever. Plus, ‘Straight Facts Homie’ on YouTube host Trey Wingo swings by to discuss whether Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh could be on the hot seat this season, why the idea of a ‘building a culture’ is a tad overrated in the NFL, whether the Chicago Bears fans are right to be worried about Caleb Williams, and much more!
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
How about now, Rob G Dan Campbell affects you.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
You might known by me as Dan Gamble lost that
he's lost big games for the Lions in which they
should have been able to advance to the Super Bowl
by now. But he had a statement today, Rob G
in a little news conference.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Yeah, it sounds like he is well aware of the
numbers because according to CBS Sports, only twenty five percent
of the teams in the NFL that start zero to
one end up reaching the playoffs. This goes back to
nineteen ninety That's unbelievable. Really, seams that start owing to though,
Rob Calvin, make the playoffs just twelve percent of the time,
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and that might be a big reason why Dan Campbell,
when he was speaking with the media today ahead of
their matchup with Ben Johnson Chicago Bears basically called this
game a must win.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Take a listen.
Speaker 6 (01:19):
Ben's my friend.
Speaker 7 (01:20):
He's always going to be my friend. You know, nothing
about that's going to change. You know, we're going in
getting ready to play Chicago. We're gonna win this game.
You know, we have to we have to.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Wow, He's saying that they have to Week two against
the Bears is a must win, and I kind of,
you know, it sounds crazy, but Campbell, I think has
figured it out. He doesn't have his security blanket anymore,
which were those two coordinators. And I think he'll be
exposed as we go forward with this season that the
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reason he had the success that he's had isn't because
of his culture building, is because he had two really
good coordinators who wind up getting head coaching jobs because
of what they did. Dan Campbell's not the offensive guy,
defensive guy. He's not either of those guys. He's a
raw ra guy. And the problem is when you're a
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raw ra guy, that sounds good when you're winning and
people can say, oh, he changed the culture. I run
through a wall for Dan Campbell. That's easy to say
when you're winning and you're undefeated on the road and
you win fifteen games.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
And all that. But as soon as you start to
get pushed.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Around like a rag doll like we saw, or have
a vanilla vanilla bean offense that we saw in Green Bay,
things change, things tighten up. I am convinced that Ben
Johnson will pull off the upset beat the Lions in
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week two. Have you seen the schedule, Kelvin? Have you
seen the schedule? And I know you talked about it yesterday.
I'm ready to make that bet with you that the
for a pair of Jordans that the Lions won't make
the playoffs. Okay, done, all right, we got that mark
that down. I'm ready to make that bet because after this,
if you take a look at the schedule, they gotta
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go to Baltimore, they play Kansas City. They have a
daunting schedule, and they better win against Chicago because if
they don't, there's probably only one game out of the
first six that they would win, and that's against Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
They're on the road against the Chiefs. Rob g. What's
the other tough road game they got?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
I know they got the oh the Bengals on the
road and the Chiefs back to back. And they also
have to play the Ravens. Those are three tough games
on the road. You gotta win Bears at home and
the Browns at home.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Correct. I think that that so so you got.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
That's why he's already talking in this term of we're
gonna win or we have to win. Because he understands
where they are and Ben Johnson knows that team left
and right and knows what.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Works and what doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
He's going to have an advantage in mapping out this
game against the Lions. And I believe the Bears will
pull the upset, send the Lions to zero and two,
and Dan Gamble will be exposed that it wasn't him,
it was Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 8 (04:29):
I don't agree with that absolutely.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Ben Johnson played a massive pro He's phenomenal as an
offensive coordinator, and Aaron Glenn was a really good defensive coordinator.
Where I disagree with you is a couple of things. One,
Dan Campbell, you're acting like he came right into a
winning situation he went. You spent time in Detroit a
putrick culture, a team, a culture and an organization that
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ain't won jack, that wasn't doing jack, it wasn't headed
in the right direction. So it wasn't like he came
into winning and then he's just had this sustainability.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
What he came into was the.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
First year they went three and thirteen, but they did
not fold the next year nine and eight.
Speaker 8 (05:08):
And remember they started off like one in five or
six or something.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I don't want to stop you. Ben Johnson was the
offensive coordinators first year.
Speaker 8 (05:16):
I don't know how fun it goes back.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
No, No, he was not good, dude.
Speaker 8 (05:19):
That was clearly not the point.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
The point is they didn't go to three to thirteen,
they go to nine and eight, they go to twelve
and five, and then obviously fifteen and two. And the
reason why they got better you can great you know,
Hony teams have great coordinators and don't do jack with him.
And then we see the coordinator go somewhere else and
we're like, oh, I guess he was a pretty good
coordinator because he created a Brad Holmes first, let me
start there. The general manager brought in the right guy
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in Dan Campbell, who they collectively bring in the right
guys a coordinator and create a culture and draft well.
Drafting well is probably gonna end up biting them in
the butt in the next couple of years because they've
got to pay a bunch of really good young guys
between the end of the season and next season. And
to me, they they've drafted well, well, developed well, and
they have a great system going. You look, you talking
about baseball, you like baseball. They got a great farm
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system going where the guys they draft, they developed and
they become very useful on the football field. And they
have a grit about them that they bounced back and
they continue to compete. They could have folded after the
NFC Championship game against the forty nine ers.
Speaker 8 (06:20):
They did. They came back and got better.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
A bunch of injuries, they end up losing in the postseason,
but this team continues to fight.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
CONFINU, how do you get better when you don't go
to where you were? You in the NFC Championship game,
you took a step back?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Great question, didn't He went to fifteen and two and
they had seven defensive starters out.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Did they lose because of that? They were nine and
a half point favorite?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Is the favorite? I don't have seven. That's not why.
That's why they got switched. That's swiss cheese and Jared,
It's not. My point is you're giving them an out.
You appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
No, I'm telling you that they had nothing to do
with the defense.
Speaker 8 (06:56):
Quarterback?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Who four?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
What play?
Speaker 8 (06:59):
Are you going to win? So they are you've done?
Are you done? Great?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So they lost the one game there. My point was
they continue to improve. They go from twelve to fifteen. So, yes,
they lost a horrible game in the postseason.
Speaker 8 (07:13):
Happens.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You know who has lost a horrible game in the
Super Bowl, The Chiefs, It happens. My point is this
team continues to go. One difference between the Chiefs and
the law is becording to you, it don't matter they
got the Chiefs won. That matters in the past. No,
it's not my whole point. So my whole point is
they continue to fight. So absolutely this is a must
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win for them, because it's not just they lose.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Then what do you say if they lose the game
to the Bear? Then now what would be your compensation?
They absolutely still have a chance to make the postseason.
We set up here last year, you and I talking
about the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Got the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
But they are exactly like the Rings. They've exactly been like,
if not better, the last Rave.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
No, they haven't the Ravens have a better team than
the loss? Not even questions? So one quarter backus won
multiple m v p s and the other one has it.
Speaker 8 (08:02):
And what has he done with.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
The same place one organization has got another one is
not I'm talking.
Speaker 8 (08:15):
About the Lions. Don't ask me a question. I try
to tell you. What I'm saying is they have an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
The reason why this game matters, and the reason why
this game matters is because it's a divisional game as well.
So you don't want to go into and have everybody
in your division have a win except you. So absolutely
it's a must win because it's not just you're not
playing the Panthers, you're playing another team in your division
who every team will have a win if you don't.
You don't want to start like that down in the division,
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especially when the Packers look like they're going to be
really good, Vikings still out to be determined how good
they'll be, and the Bears look like they should be
better than they were last year. So absolutely, Dan Campbell's
approach and he bought equity, has equity with his team
that he can push these these buttons with them, he
can get them round up because he had the equity
with this unit.
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Speaker 4 (11:10):
I do want to talk about the Lions, of course,
losing their two coordinators. They got their butts kicked in
Green Bay. They really did. It didn't look good. I
don't have them making the playoffs.
Speaker 10 (11:24):
Try.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I just want you to know, where are you on
the Lions?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
And they got a really tough schedule and no coordinators
or new coordinators I should say both in the building.
I didn't like the idea that they didn't go out
and find the best available and just you know, promoted
within Where are you on the Lions and their expectations?
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Yeah, listen, I think the Lions the last couple of
years in a great job with somebody called expectations, as
you alluded to, you know, but now they've got to
deal with erosions. And that's what happens when you make
the playoffs multiple years in a row. People come take
your players, and they come take your coaches, and and
you know, you can go look at the numbers. Jared
Goffer as a starting quarterback without Sean McVeigh and without
Ben Johnson not good. So I'm not saying Jared's not
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a good player. I'm saying they've got to find a
rhythm with him. The real telling test this week is
the Bears come to town after that debacle Monday night
and the debacle for the Lions. The Lions have won
ten straight games following a loss. That's the longest active
streak in the NFL. So somehow Chicago goes in there
and finds a way as Ben Johnson comes into his
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old place to steal a win. That's hugely problematic for Detroit. Listen,
I think Detroit can still make the playoffs, but I
think a ten or eleven win season is about the
max for them this year.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
That's fair, and I can understand that you lose coordinators obviously,
some players and offensive line too.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
That's another whole thing. Y. Yeah, that's finally what you.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
Just think it was huge.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
You know, their offensive line last year was together basically
the entire season, and they've lost basically through injury or
i'm three fifths retirement, three fifths of that offensive line.
That's going to be a huge thing for them to
work with throughout the season.
Speaker 8 (13:06):
I agree, that's one of the things they got to fix.
Speaker 10 (13:07):
More.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
That makes me worry to be honest with you, even
more so the coordinators, because if they can't run the ball,
that's going to be difficult. Let's go to this Let's stay,
let's stay in this game, this matchup. Let's go to
Week one.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
We see Caleb Williams and we see obviously Ben Johnson,
both debuting right the debuting with my new head coach
and me debuting as a coach with my star quarterback
or should maybe potentially star quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Would you make of week one for them? Kind of
a tail that two has?
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Yeah, listen, there's no way to slice it.
Speaker 10 (13:34):
It's not great for Caleb. You know. They they came
out on a first drive. They look decisive.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
He looked quicker and smart, and everything was great. And
until they scored a late touchdown after that first touchdound
I have to scored three points, you know, they had
to pick six as part of their point total. They
it didn't look much different. And then to see JJ
McCarthy come out and do something that no one else
has ever done, score three touchdowns or lead three touchdown
drive in his debut in the fourth quarter is remarkable,
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especially after throwing a pick six where you thought, okay,
here's the young kid, he just made a terrible mistake.
He's going to go into that show he didn't. This
is a really this is problematic for Chicago. It's problematic now. Look,
Week one is always an anomaly. I always say about
the first few weeks of the season. The teams that
suck don't know they suck yet, right, everyone thinks they're
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good and you're going to get.
Speaker 10 (14:27):
Everybody's best shot.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
But this is problematic for the Bears. To see Caleb
not capitalized past that opening drive, honestly, and then to
see a rookie in JJ McCarthy shake off a really
horrible throw that picked six for the former Mike he's
practice squad player, and then do what he did in
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the fourth quarter. That's that's not a good look for.
Speaker 10 (14:53):
Chicago right now.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
And I think Bears fans should be concerned.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
How about Aaron Glenn, you know, blaming the fumble by
the kickoff player as the reason that they lost. And
we're gonna talk about this later in the show, but.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
You want to be the new coach and send out
a signal you're gonna be letting go of players every
time somebody makes a mistake or throws a pick or
or fumbles the ball. I mean, I kind of see
what you want to do, but I'm not so sure
that's the way you do it, or to make people
feel comfortable at all or not.
Speaker 10 (15:28):
Yeah, yeah, but let's let's be honest.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
If they thought he was really good, they would have
kept him.
Speaker 10 (15:32):
I mean, Jimmy Johnson was the best at this.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Like he said, I'll treat everybody fairly, but I won't
treat anybody the same. When he was the head coach,
he cut players for sleeping in the sleep, falling sleep
in meetings, He cut people for fumbling. He didn't cut
any of the stars for doing any of that, like
you know what I mean. Like they felt he was
expendable anyway. So I think that Aaron made that decision
to send the message.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
So what message? What message would that be to me? Okay,
that's trade.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
That's that's where I think it's hollow, because it ain't
a star player or somebody who's really good. If you're
just gonna you're gonna cut a guy who already had
nine fumbles coming into when you put them on your team,
did you really do anything?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
You're not wrong there. But but but that's the sliding
scale of justice in the NFL. Right, the better you are,
the more I get people will give you. So, yeah,
I'm not what you're saying, is that actually really smart?
But I think that Aaron felt like he needed to
send the message. Whether or not it is received is
irrelevant because these players, you're right, well probably, It's like
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it's like when Mike McDaniel last year started sending the
clock back twenty four minutes for meetings because they hadn't
won a playoff game at twenty four seeds. Do you
think you think any of those players gave a.
Speaker 10 (16:44):
Crap about that?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
It's so silly.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Yeah, coach, what the hell are you talking about? So,
but that's that's a very Bill Parcells move. It is
a Bill Parcells move, and obviously Aaron is very very
much a mentor of Bill Parcells and someone that he
feels like has shaped his career. It doesn't It doesn't
matter until it matters, right, and if if it's if
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they find a way to turn things around right. If
they don't, then it looks stupid. It's all the fact
I mean of the NFL is based on results. Nothing
else matters. Did you win or did you not win?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I've said it a million times on this show. Sports
has a short menu tray. It's wins and losses. There's
nothing else on the menu.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
I do you think when everyone talks about culture, right, oh,
he's building a culture.
Speaker 10 (17:31):
They fire him. They say, well, he.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Didn't win enough, so the culture, I mean, the culture
only matters if you win.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Thank you. That's what I just said.
Speaker 10 (17:38):
The only thing, it's the only thing that matters.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
That culture thing is the biggest con job I've ever seen,
because the only when you're winning.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Oh yeah, he be Dan Campbell showed up and built
the culture.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
If Delions don't make the playoffs this year, people will
start to say, oh, I don't think Dan Campbell's the guy.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
He lost the team.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Robb, You're one hundred percent right. At the end of
the day, players will put up with anything as long
as they're winning, and when they don't win, the thing
that you thought was cute when you're winning freaking drives
you crazy when you're losing.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I'll disagree with that, but I do absolutely believe creating
an identity is huge in sports.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
Knowing what you hate.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
No, that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 10 (18:19):
Like you want to have. This is what we do,
this is who we are.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
But the best teams, the best teams, when it's all
said and done, don't say, when everything's on the line,
well this is what we do. The best teams say
whatever we have to do to win, even it's completely
the opposite of everything. Well, we're about this, But in
this situation, maybe you need the other thing.
Speaker 10 (18:42):
And I think that's the most important thing.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Trey.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I want to just one last thing. I want to
jump in real quick. I've just talked about John Hogball
should be fired by the Ravens, and I'm dead serious.
I mean been he's been there a while and every
year they're disappointing to me or they give up seventeen
double digit leads.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
And I get it.
Speaker 10 (19:00):
It is nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I mean, it's an incredible and I'm not they won
a Super Bowl, I get it, or whatever that was
a long time ago. It's twenty twelve, whatever it was. Yeah,
you know, like like I get it. But one day
you're gonna wake up. It's like the Mike McCarthy, he's
turned into uh no, he's turned into to Doc Rivers.
You know what I mean, Where you won a championship
and now every year you go home disappointed and this
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is what the raven's going to feel like.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
To me, You're not wrong, and this is the weird thing,
and we can we can apply this to Mike Tomlin
as well, if we're being honest with Yes, I've.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Said it a million times about him. Enough with the five.
Speaker 10 (19:35):
Hundred yeah, Bill Cower. Bill Cower said it the best.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
He said, you know, after ten years, I think your
message wears out on your team. And I think that
if Mike Tomlin and John Harbor are fired, they'll get
jobs tomorrow. That doesn't mean they're they're not good coaches,
but sometimes you've been there too long. And to your
point about John, it's been since Super Bowl forty seven.
They haven't been able to beat the Chiefs. They haven't
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been able to beat all these teams in the playoffs.
Lamar Jackson, as great as he is as a starting quarterback,
he has three playoff wins. To put that in perspective,
that's the same number of Super.
Speaker 10 (20:09):
Bowl wins as Patrick Mahomes has.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Okay, and he's got seventeen.
Speaker 10 (20:12):
That's the second most in NFL history.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
And I'm not a wins or quarterback stat guy. But
the NFL keeps this right. So that's why I use it.
That's why I use it as a reference point. John
Harville and Mike Tomlin are great.
Speaker 10 (20:22):
Coaches, I believe that, but it might be.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Time for both of them to try this somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Hey, real quick, before we let you go, Trey, I'm
gonna throw it two different ways. You got the Raiders, Steelers,
and the Coats, they all get wins, and then you
got the Bengals, the Giants and Pats all lost, which
you can do however you want, which are real from
those wins or what's you look at a team with
those losses and say they're better than that.
Speaker 10 (20:45):
I think that.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
I'm not sold on the Bengals. I mean, I think
the Bengals still have major concerns. I mean, it was
a rookie kicker that missed an extra point, the field
goal in a one point game, right, otherwise we'll be
talking about the Bengals falling behind in some time again.
I don't like the way that team is built. I
have concerns there. I think Indianapolis is real. There's a
lot of good.
Speaker 10 (21:06):
Players on that team.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
They just need a competent quarterback and Daniel Joes isn't great,
but he's competent. And I do believe that Aaron Rodgers
has something to prove this year. It's one thing to
prove it against the Jets where he had a huge
ship on his shoulder, but everything that went wrong the
other year, I need to see this more from Aaron
Rodgers going forward.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, you sent to me that we were talking about
it yesterday. That's where I am as well. Appreciate you
as always, Trey Wingo. Make sure you go check out
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Speaker 8 (21:36):
Thank you, Trey.
Speaker 10 (21:37):
You got it guys anytime.
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Speaker 4 (21:50):
Rob g Steph Curry does what and this is the
one thing I don't like about the NBA.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
I really don't was that what he did?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, what he did because it's the only league where
they do it. And I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Why, Like, seriously, you notice no one bad mouse Babe
Ruth and says, oh he can. Yeah, but if he
played now, nobody right, nobody, They don't do it an
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Oh, Jim Brown couldn't play now? Or only in the NBA.
Is there a.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Situation where people are always bashing the older players to
tell you how great they are?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
But anyway, Steph Curry joined the chorus real quick.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Before you go there, I think I want to offer
the why Ron. I think it's easier because Babe Ruth
is so he's almost mythological, almost like he never even played.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
He's just so like a godlike figure.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
In baseball, I think in football we don't know who
the definitive best player.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Is, so I do for who Jim Brown or Lawrence Taylor.
I know I'm with you on those two. To me,
but Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, you got Tom Brady got
Jerry right, Jim Brown, I'm just saying Jim Brown or
Lawrence Taylor on my but right, But I'm saying some
people would say that.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Some people might say it's a quarterback another one like
Joe Montayner. So it's hard to like argue about something.
Whereas basketball, I think what has made things so much
easier is Jordan to Kobe Jordan and Lebron and and
it's easier.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
That Kobe's really a conversation.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Well, nowadays you ask people, Kobe's a lot of people's goat,
and so I think it just makes it for easier
fodder because you can do that.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
It's hard to be like Ted Williams or.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
You know, I mean the last guy hit four o six.
I never heard anybody say Tam Williams camp.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
That's what I'm saying. Nobody. It's harder to like arguing
debate those things.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I just think it happens a lot more.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
I know, and I'm agreeing. I'm just wondering.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I think that might be why it's easier to debate
who's the best more than any other sport.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Well, here, I thought you were upset because Steph Curry
is doing media rounds and he's on the Today Show
and out the odd Couple.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
That's what I thought you were upset about.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
We don't want Steph Curry wants somebody's gonna say something.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
Well, speaking of saying something, just go ahead and say no.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
He he was about to call us like, hey, we're
about to see y'all want to do Friday.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Show Steph again making the media outs to promote his
new book, of course on to Today Show.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Of course they're not going to ask him any real questions.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
It's like when Rob was promoting the year and eighty
Mouse book. Yes, he went on Bernie Fratto's podcast, he
went on Fred Rogan's radio show, he went on Doug
Gottlie's podcast.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
It was such a big but yeah step of over
Today Show promoting his new book.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
And they were asking him about the impact he's out
in the league since he's come in, And here's what
he said about where the league is now and how
it compares two years past.
Speaker 11 (24:30):
I was also about Wiseman when I was getting into
the league, like you want to leave the league in
a better place than when you found it. And I
think just the way that you see the skill level
right now, the way that the range just kind of
taken over and got to shoot threes all over the court,
but just from one through five and all the way
down the ross, I think this is the most skilled,
you know, era of basketball history. And so whether that
(24:52):
was you know, young kids in the game now seeing
you know my generation the way that I play and
getting inspired by that, like that for me is important
in something I don't take for granted.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
I don't buy it.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I don't buy it in the sense that, yes, maybe
if you're talking about fifteen man roster, maybe twelve through
fifteen or more skilled than the twelve through fifteen in
the eighties and the nineties, I'll give you that. I
will give you there as somebody on the bench in
street clothes. Who if I took that guy in the
street clothes, guy from eighty six, he would cook him up.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
I'll give you that.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
But where I think people getting this whole thing misconstrued
is this is the era, and we've talked about this, Rob,
this is the personal trainer era. This is the I
don't just go play and try to play ball, and
who this is that guy to have a personal trainer
to work haha? High step back, step back, Hi, high
step back, step back, step back. And to me, okay, yeah,
you might have a step back better than somebody eight nine.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
You know what they had better then.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
They knew how to win, they knew how to make
basketball plays, they knew how to play with the team,
they knew how to play within a system. And I
think that's one of the things I will get misconstrued.
I'm not saying all these guys can. Obviously, Steph is
one of the greats. And if you look at current
guys le BRONI but I'm looking at to me, Yeah, okay,
yes there's a handle, Yes there's a again an ability
to do a eurostep or something as if the eurostep
(26:06):
didn't happen back then. I don't buy that it equates
to better basketball. That's my biggest thing. I don't watch
basketball me and you just did our first whole postseason
run in the playoffs, and I don't believe I watched
better basketball than I did in previous years or eras.
I don't buy that at all. I watch guys and
I'm confused sometimes. Do you not see the open man?
(26:27):
Did you not see the back cut? Why would you
take that shot? And just because I got a six
foot ten dude who can shoot threes, who's allowed to
shoot more threes, that doesn't mean he's better.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
I tell you this all the time. Rob.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
If I told Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Chauncey Phillips, you know, Detroit,
you're allowed to shoot eighteen threes tonight, and we wouldn't
better eye, I don't know what those guys would have happened.
I told Isaiah Thomas, Mark Price, the other guy, you
can shoot twenty threes a night, and we literally wouldn't
even think twice. Well, then yeah, he might look even
more skilled. And let me also offer you this. Everybody
(27:01):
keeps talking, you know, and I don't believe everybody believes it,
but you get the whole Plumber joke about back in
the day, and I start thinking, I'll say, man, when
I look at Magic Johnson highlights, I ain't seen nothing
like it since. Name the guy if I showed you
those who's that skilled to do that, Michael Jordan. We
talk about him every day on day just about I
still haven't seen that. I've seen people try never seen that.
So the idea that just simply because guys spend more
(27:23):
time with personal trainers and they'd work on this and
work on that. Are they more skilled? Okay, maybe the
last few dudes on the team. But the idea that
is better basketball. It's better aesthetically, it's better from a
high quality standpoint. That part I don't agree, and I
don't think when I watch games now that in most
of the games, not all that it's a better brand
of basketball than the year's previous. I don't agree with
(27:43):
that portion of it.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
For me, I don't agree with it at all. I
just think this is typical. That was Steph patting himself
on the back that because of him shooting logo threes
he's made everybody better and everybody wants to be like
him and he's revelutionized basketball.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
The reason he's had success is because.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Of the rule changes, the spacing that people have, the
idea that you can't defend anybody, touch anybody.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
That makes for an easier game. It just does.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
You talk about players all the time and they'll tell
you it's easy to score. All the European players say, dude,
are you kidding.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I'll come here and be like, wait, this is the
NBA physically from a physical standard way.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
There's there's nothing here, like really, I can't even put
my hand, I can't even touch you. Sure the skills better,
I have a free path, I can just drive.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yes, what what?
Speaker 8 (28:42):
What?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
What part of that?
Speaker 6 (28:44):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
And I'm with you. I just don't. I don't see
it at all. I don't buy into it.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
I think this is just players thinking because they're in
better shape and they wear a better snick and all
that I'll give you that and all that that they're
that somehow they were better, I would beg to difference
say that what they were able to do during that
time wearing sneakers without arches and taking trains and you
(29:10):
know what I mean. In fact, when I covered the NBA,
they flew commercial right, Yeah, seventh footer sitting in coach,
you're no first class seat. Seventh footer had a squeeze
in that. That is what went on and had to play.
We were on the first flight out because in those
days in the winter, you couldn't take the two o'clock
(29:32):
to get to the game.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
You gotta get on a six thirty.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
In case there's snow or ice and that fight gets canceled,
you got to catch the next one.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
So we were always on.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
The first flight six thirty from Milwaukee to Detroit or
wherever it is.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
And that's what those players had to deal with.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
It's totally different, but skill wise to just say because
it's easier to score now and they have the benefit
of the new spacing where they have a to work
and I physically can't touch you. There's a lot of
stuff that goes in there, and these guys continue to
bash uh the players who played, And I'm with you,
(30:12):
if those guys were playing today and they had all
of these other things, are you kidding me? If you
think Michael Jordan would have been a hell of a
three point shooter, you have no idea of the skill
or or if Isaiah Thomas couldn't be touched, or what
those guys had to go through them?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Are all those guys sure they would? Those are all
time greats. And here's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Now, you got one one and a half players maybe
on those days, go back and look at the teams
where you're talking about bird Magic, I mean bird John
right like right there, and then you and then you
would go and look at some of these other teams
with players that they had. Everybody had like two or
three really good players and it wasn't as many players
(30:57):
and all that. I just I think the league is
way watered down. It's probably six teams that don't really
need to be around and sixteams full of players who
probably aren't NBA players.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And look at where they even are in the draft.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
They don't even they don't have two rounds, like there
aren't that many great players.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
And I'll add this too, I still and Rob g
you're a big hoop guy, and Rob you mccovern the
league for years, since nineteen eighty seven, since nineteen seven.
I look at this and I tried, and I really
try to not be the old get off my long guy,
and I'm really looking at this. I Kyrie is arguably
one of the most talented we've ever seen. So there's
always gonna be a steph Is up there. We got
(31:35):
a handful of guys. But like, I see a lot
of guard play from the early two thousands that I
don't see nowadays.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
Like I see it about everybody, oh, every being more
skilled today.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I'm like, I don't see a lot of Baron Davis's,
Steve Francis st Stephan Marlberry like guards that were just
crazy and shoot, dribble, pass, jump out the gym. I'm
like every Alan Iverson, like everybody just hold on now again,
just because you have some of your moves that you
spending your trainer and you've worked on your personal game
(32:07):
since you were ten twelve years old. Back in the day,
it was more so you played basketball and worked on
team and you understood the fundamentals of how to win.
You know, I don't think it just automatically means you're
more skilled. So that's my biggest thing, is people just
automatically saying it just simply because you know, a random center, yeah,
and Aaron gad shape and a random center might be
able to dribble, but.
Speaker 8 (32:27):
The'm like, yeah, that doesn't mean he can win.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And we all sit up here in the last handful
of years to complain about the quality of the game.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
We complain about what we're witnessing, what we're seeing. How
why everybody talks about it?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
You know that seventy threes and again it's like, that's it,
So that made you better?
Speaker 8 (32:43):
That I get to go, ooh, it's so better, so
much better.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Why is the game so bad?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah, it's inefficient, and so that that's my biggest thing. Yes,
Steph is an outlier, meaning you're you're one of them ones.
Kyrie is one of the ones, you know, Luca. But again,
those international guys, they often learn how to play the game,
like how to play basketball, not just simply you know,
work on a drill over and over and over again,
to put on YouTube and face and you know, Twitter
(33:10):
and TikTok and all that
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
How about now, Rob G Dan Campbell affects you.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
You might known by me as Dan Gamble lost that
he's lost big games for the Lions in which they
should have been able to advance to the Super Bowl
by now. But he had a statement today, Rob G
in a little news conference.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Yeah, it sounds like he is well aware of the
numbers because according to CBS Sports, only twenty five percent
of the teams in the NFL that start zero to
one end up reaching the playoffs. This goes back to
nineteen ninety That's unbelievable. Really, seams that start owing to though,
Rob Calvin, make the playoffs just twelve percent of the time,
(01:06):
and that might be a big reason why Dan Campbell,
when he was speaking with the media today ahead of
their matchup with Ben Johnson Chicago Bears basically called this
game a must win.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Take a listen.
Speaker 6 (01:19):
Ben's my friend.
Speaker 7 (01:20):
He's always going to be my friend. You know, nothing
about that's going to change. You know, we're going in
getting ready to play Chicago. We're gonna win this game.
You know, we have to we have to.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Wow, He's saying that they have to Week two against
the Bears is a must win, and I kind of,
you know, it sounds crazy, but Campbell, I think has
figured it out. He doesn't have his security blanket anymore,
which were those two coordinators. And I think he'll be
exposed as we go forward with this season that the
(01:54):
reason he had the success that he's had isn't because
of his culture building, is because he had two really
good coordinators who wind up getting head coaching jobs because
of what they did. Dan Campbell's not the offensive guy,
defensive guy. He's not either of those guys. He's a
raw ra guy. And the problem is when you're a
(02:16):
raw ra guy, that sounds good when you're winning and
people can say, oh, he changed the culture. I run
through a wall for Dan Campbell. That's easy to say
when you're winning and you're undefeated on the road and
you win fifteen games.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
And all that. But as soon as you start to
get pushed.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Around like a rag doll like we saw, or have
a vanilla vanilla bean offense that we saw in Green Bay,
things change, things tighten up. I am convinced that Ben
Johnson will pull off the upset beat the Lions in
(02:57):
week two. Have you seen the schedule, Kelvin? Have you
seen the schedule? And I know you talked about it yesterday.
I'm ready to make that bet with you that the
for a pair of Jordans that the Lions won't make
the playoffs. Okay, done, all right, we got that mark
that down. I'm ready to make that bet because after this,
if you take a look at the schedule, they gotta
(03:18):
go to Baltimore, they play Kansas City. They have a
daunting schedule, and they better win against Chicago because if
they don't, there's probably only one game out of the
first six that they would win, and that's against Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
They're on the road against the Chiefs. Rob g. What's
the other tough road game they got?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
I know they got the oh the Bengals on the
road and the Chiefs back to back. And they also
have to play the Ravens. Those are three tough games
on the road. You gotta win Bears at home and
the Browns at home.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Correct. I think that that so so you got.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
That's why he's already talking in this term of we're
gonna win or we have to win. Because he understands
where they are and Ben Johnson knows that team left
and right and knows what.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Works and what doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
He's going to have an advantage in mapping out this
game against the Lions. And I believe the Bears will
pull the upset, send the Lions to zero and two,
and Dan Gamble will be exposed that it wasn't him,
it was Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 8 (04:29):
I don't agree with that absolutely.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Ben Johnson played a massive pro He's phenomenal as an
offensive coordinator, and Aaron Glenn was a really good defensive coordinator.
Where I disagree with you is a couple of things. One,
Dan Campbell, you're acting like he came right into a
winning situation he went. You spent time in Detroit a
putrick culture, a team, a culture and an organization that
(04:52):
ain't won jack, that wasn't doing jack, it wasn't headed
in the right direction. So it wasn't like he came
into winning and then he's just had this sustainability.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
What he came into was the.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
First year they went three and thirteen, but they did
not fold the next year nine and eight.
Speaker 8 (05:08):
And remember they started off like one in five or
six or something.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I don't want to stop you. Ben Johnson was the
offensive coordinators first year.
Speaker 8 (05:16):
I don't know how fun it goes back.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
No, No, he was not good, dude.
Speaker 8 (05:19):
That was clearly not the point.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
The point is they didn't go to three to thirteen,
they go to nine and eight, they go to twelve
and five, and then obviously fifteen and two. And the
reason why they got better you can great you know,
Hony teams have great coordinators and don't do jack with him.
And then we see the coordinator go somewhere else and
we're like, oh, I guess he was a pretty good
coordinator because he created a Brad Holmes first, let me
start there. The general manager brought in the right guy
(05:44):
in Dan Campbell, who they collectively bring in the right
guys a coordinator and create a culture and draft well.
Drafting well is probably gonna end up biting them in
the butt in the next couple of years because they've
got to pay a bunch of really good young guys
between the end of the season and next season. And
to me, they they've drafted well, well, developed well, and
they have a great system going. You look, you talking
about baseball, you like baseball. They got a great farm
(06:06):
system going where the guys they draft, they developed and
they become very useful on the football field. And they
have a grit about them that they bounced back and
they continue to compete. They could have folded after the
NFC Championship game against the forty nine ers.
Speaker 8 (06:20):
They did. They came back and got better.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
A bunch of injuries, they end up losing in the postseason,
but this team continues to fight.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
CONFINU, how do you get better when you don't go
to where you were? You in the NFC Championship game,
you took a step back?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Great question, didn't He went to fifteen and two and
they had seven defensive starters out.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Did they lose because of that? They were nine and
a half point favorite?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Is the favorite? I don't have seven. That's not why.
That's why they got switched. That's swiss cheese and Jared,
It's not. My point is you're giving them an out.
You appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
No, I'm telling you that they had nothing to do
with the defense.
Speaker 8 (06:56):
Quarterback?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Who four?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
What play?
Speaker 8 (06:59):
Are you going to win? So they are you've done?
Are you done? Great?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So they lost the one game there. My point was
they continue to improve. They go from twelve to fifteen. So, yes,
they lost a horrible game in the postseason.
Speaker 8 (07:13):
Happens.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You know who has lost a horrible game in the
Super Bowl, The Chiefs, It happens. My point is this
team continues to go. One difference between the Chiefs and
the law is becording to you, it don't matter they
got the Chiefs won. That matters in the past. No,
it's not my whole point. So my whole point is
they continue to fight. So absolutely this is a must
(07:36):
win for them, because it's not just they lose.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Then what do you say if they lose the game
to the Bear? Then now what would be your compensation?
They absolutely still have a chance to make the postseason.
We set up here last year, you and I talking
about the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Got the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
But they are exactly like the Rings. They've exactly been like,
if not better, the last Rave.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
No, they haven't the Ravens have a better team than
the loss? Not even questions? So one quarter backus won
multiple m v p s and the other one has it.
Speaker 8 (08:02):
And what has he done with.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
The same place one organization has got another one is
not I'm talking.
Speaker 8 (08:15):
About the Lions. Don't ask me a question. I try
to tell you. What I'm saying is they have an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
The reason why this game matters, and the reason why
this game matters is because it's a divisional game as well.
So you don't want to go into and have everybody
in your division have a win except you. So absolutely
it's a must win because it's not just you're not
playing the Panthers, you're playing another team in your division
who every team will have a win if you don't.
You don't want to start like that down in the division,
(08:44):
especially when the Packers look like they're going to be
really good, Vikings still out to be determined how good
they'll be, and the Bears look like they should be
better than they were last year. So absolutely, Dan Campbell's
approach and he bought equity, has equity with his team
that he can push these these buttons with them, he
can get them round up because he had the equity
with this unit.
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Speaker 10 (11:09):
Very good. Hey you all right.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I do want to talk about the Lions, of course,
losing their two coordinators. They got their butts kicked in
Green Bay. They really did. It didn't look good. I
don't have them making the playoffs.
Speaker 10 (11:24):
Try.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I just want you to know, where are you on
the Lions?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
And they got a really tough schedule and no coordinators
or new coordinators I should say both in the building.
I didn't like the idea that they didn't go out
and find the best available and just you know, promoted
within Where are you on the Lions and their expectations?
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Yeah, listen, I think the Lions the last couple of
years in a great job with somebody called expectations, as
you alluded to, you know, but now they've got to
deal with erosions. And that's what happens when you make
the playoffs multiple years in a row. People come take
your players, and they come take your coaches, and and
you know, you can go look at the numbers. Jared
Goffer as a starting quarterback without Sean McVeigh and without
Ben Johnson not good. So I'm not saying Jared's not
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a good player. I'm saying they've got to find a
rhythm with him. The real telling test this week is
the Bears come to town after that debacle Monday night
and the debacle for the Lions. The Lions have won
ten straight games following a loss. That's the longest active
streak in the NFL. So somehow Chicago goes in there
and finds a way as Ben Johnson comes into his
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old place to steal a win. That's hugely problematic for Detroit. Listen,
I think Detroit can still make the playoffs, but I
think a ten or eleven win season is about the
max for them this year.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
That's fair, and I can understand that you lose coordinators obviously,
some players and offensive line too.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
That's another whole thing. Y. Yeah, that's finally what you.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
Just think it was huge.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
You know, their offensive line last year was together basically
the entire season, and they've lost basically through injury or
i'm three fifths retirement, three fifths of that offensive line.
That's going to be a huge thing for them to
work with throughout the season.
Speaker 8 (13:06):
I agree, that's one of the things they got to fix.
Speaker 10 (13:07):
More.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
That makes me worry to be honest with you, even
more so the coordinators, because if they can't run the ball,
that's going to be difficult. Let's go to this Let's stay,
let's stay in this game, this matchup. Let's go to
Week one.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
We see Caleb Williams and we see obviously Ben Johnson,
both debuting right the debuting with my new head coach
and me debuting as a coach with my star quarterback
or should maybe potentially star quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Would you make of week one for them? Kind of
a tail that two has?
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Yeah, listen, there's no way to slice it.
Speaker 10 (13:34):
It's not great for Caleb. You know. They they came
out on a first drive. They look decisive.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
He looked quicker and smart, and everything was great. And
until they scored a late touchdown after that first touchdound
I have to scored three points, you know, they had
to pick six as part of their point total. They
it didn't look much different. And then to see JJ
McCarthy come out and do something that no one else
has ever done, score three touchdowns or lead three touchdown
drive in his debut in the fourth quarter is remarkable,
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especially after throwing a pick six where you thought, okay,
here's the young kid, he just made a terrible mistake.
He's going to go into that show he didn't. This
is a really this is problematic for Chicago. It's problematic now. Look,
Week one is always an anomaly. I always say about
the first few weeks of the season. The teams that
suck don't know they suck yet, right, everyone thinks they're
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good and you're going to get.
Speaker 10 (14:27):
Everybody's best shot.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
But this is problematic for the Bears. To see Caleb
not capitalized past that opening drive, honestly, and then to
see a rookie in JJ McCarthy shake off a really
horrible throw that picked six for the former Mike he's
practice squad player, and then do what he did in
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the fourth quarter. That's that's not a good look for.
Speaker 10 (14:53):
Chicago right now.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
And I think Bears fans should be concerned.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
How about Aaron Glenn, you know, blaming the fumble by
the kickoff player as the reason that they lost. And
we're gonna talk about this later in the show, but.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
You want to be the new coach and send out
a signal you're gonna be letting go of players every
time somebody makes a mistake or throws a pick or
or fumbles the ball. I mean, I kind of see
what you want to do, but I'm not so sure
that's the way you do it, or to make people
feel comfortable at all or not.
Speaker 10 (15:28):
Yeah, yeah, but let's let's be honest.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
If they thought he was really good, they would have
kept him.
Speaker 10 (15:32):
I mean, Jimmy Johnson was the best at this.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Like he said, I'll treat everybody fairly, but I won't
treat anybody the same. When he was the head coach,
he cut players for sleeping in the sleep, falling sleep
in meetings, He cut people for fumbling. He didn't cut
any of the stars for doing any of that, like
you know what I mean. Like they felt he was
expendable anyway. So I think that Aaron made that decision
to send the message.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
So what message? What message would that be to me? Okay,
that's trade.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
That's that's where I think it's hollow, because it ain't
a star player or somebody who's really good. If you're
just gonna you're gonna cut a guy who already had
nine fumbles coming into when you put them on your team,
did you really do anything?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
You're not wrong there. But but but that's the sliding
scale of justice in the NFL. Right, the better you are,
the more I get people will give you. So, yeah,
I'm not what you're saying, is that actually really smart?
But I think that Aaron felt like he needed to
send the message. Whether or not it is received is
irrelevant because these players, you're right, well probably, It's like
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it's like when Mike McDaniel last year started sending the
clock back twenty four minutes for meetings because they hadn't
won a playoff game at twenty four seeds. Do you
think you think any of those players gave a.
Speaker 10 (16:44):
Crap about that?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
It's so silly.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Yeah, coach, what the hell are you talking about? So,
but that's that's a very Bill Parcells move. It is
a Bill Parcells move, and obviously Aaron is very very
much a mentor of Bill Parcells and someone that he
feels like has shaped his career. It doesn't It doesn't
matter until it matters, right, and if if it's if
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they find a way to turn things around right. If
they don't, then it looks stupid. It's all the fact
I mean of the NFL is based on results. Nothing
else matters. Did you win or did you not win?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I've said it a million times on this show. Sports
has a short menu tray. It's wins and losses. There's
nothing else on the menu.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
I do you think when everyone talks about culture, right, oh,
he's building a culture.
Speaker 10 (17:31):
They fire him. They say, well, he.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Didn't win enough, so the culture, I mean, the culture
only matters if you win.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Thank you. That's what I just said.
Speaker 10 (17:38):
The only thing, it's the only thing that matters.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
That culture thing is the biggest con job I've ever seen,
because the only when you're winning.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Oh yeah, he be Dan Campbell showed up and built
the culture.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
If Delions don't make the playoffs this year, people will
start to say, oh, I don't think Dan Campbell's the guy.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
He lost the team.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Robb, You're one hundred percent right. At the end of
the day, players will put up with anything as long
as they're winning, and when they don't win, the thing
that you thought was cute when you're winning freaking drives
you crazy when you're losing.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I'll disagree with that, but I do absolutely believe creating
an identity is huge in sports.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
Knowing what you hate.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
No, that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 10 (18:19):
Like you want to have. This is what we do,
this is who we are.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
But the best teams, the best teams, when it's all
said and done, don't say, when everything's on the line,
well this is what we do. The best teams say
whatever we have to do to win, even it's completely
the opposite of everything. Well, we're about this, But in
this situation, maybe you need the other thing.
Speaker 10 (18:42):
And I think that's the most important thing.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Trey.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I want to just one last thing. I want to
jump in real quick. I've just talked about John Hogball
should be fired by the Ravens, and I'm dead serious.
I mean been he's been there a while and every
year they're disappointing to me or they give up seventeen
double digit leads.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
And I get it.
Speaker 10 (19:00):
It is nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I mean, it's an incredible and I'm not they won
a Super Bowl, I get it, or whatever that was
a long time ago. It's twenty twelve, whatever it was. Yeah,
you know, like like I get it. But one day
you're gonna wake up. It's like the Mike McCarthy, he's
turned into uh no, he's turned into to Doc Rivers.
You know what I mean, Where you won a championship
and now every year you go home disappointed and this
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is what the raven's going to feel like.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
To me, You're not wrong, and this is the weird thing,
and we can we can apply this to Mike Tomlin
as well, if we're being honest with Yes, I've.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Said it a million times about him. Enough with the five.
Speaker 10 (19:35):
Hundred yeah, Bill Cower. Bill Cower said it the best.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
He said, you know, after ten years, I think your
message wears out on your team. And I think that
if Mike Tomlin and John Harbor are fired, they'll get
jobs tomorrow. That doesn't mean they're they're not good coaches,
but sometimes you've been there too long. And to your
point about John, it's been since Super Bowl forty seven.
They haven't been able to beat the Chiefs. They haven't
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been able to beat all these teams in the playoffs.
Lamar Jackson, as great as he is as a starting quarterback,
he has three playoff wins. To put that in perspective,
that's the same number of Super.
Speaker 10 (20:09):
Bowl wins as Patrick Mahomes has.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Okay, and he's got seventeen.
Speaker 10 (20:12):
That's the second most in NFL history.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
And I'm not a wins or quarterback stat guy. But
the NFL keeps this right. So that's why I use it.
That's why I use it as a reference point. John
Harville and Mike Tomlin are great.
Speaker 10 (20:22):
Coaches, I believe that, but it might be.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Time for both of them to try this somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Hey, real quick, before we let you go, Trey, I'm
gonna throw it two different ways. You got the Raiders, Steelers,
and the Coats, they all get wins, and then you
got the Bengals, the Giants and Pats all lost, which
you can do however you want, which are real from
those wins or what's you look at a team with
those losses and say they're better than that.
Speaker 10 (20:45):
I think that.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
I'm not sold on the Bengals. I mean, I think
the Bengals still have major concerns. I mean, it was
a rookie kicker that missed an extra point, the field
goal in a one point game, right, otherwise we'll be
talking about the Bengals falling behind in some time again.
I don't like the way that team is built. I
have concerns there. I think Indianapolis is real. There's a
lot of good.
Speaker 10 (21:06):
Players on that team.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
They just need a competent quarterback and Daniel Joes isn't great,
but he's competent. And I do believe that Aaron Rodgers
has something to prove this year. It's one thing to
prove it against the Jets where he had a huge
ship on his shoulder, but everything that went wrong the
other year, I need to see this more from Aaron
Rodgers going forward.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, you sent to me that we were talking about
it yesterday. That's where I am as well. Appreciate you
as always, Trey Wingo. Make sure you go check out
the new YouTube show Straight Facts on Me on YouTube
and on podcasts available everywhere.
Speaker 8 (21:36):
Thank you, Trey.
Speaker 10 (21:37):
You got it guys anytime.
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Speaker 4 (21:50):
Rob g Steph Curry does what and this is the
one thing I don't like about the NBA.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
I really don't was that what he did?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, what he did because it's the only league where
they do it. And I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Why, Like, seriously, you notice no one bad mouse Babe
Ruth and says, oh he can. Yeah, but if he
played now, nobody right, nobody, They don't do it an
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Oh, Jim Brown couldn't play now? Or only in the NBA.
Is there a.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Situation where people are always bashing the older players to
tell you how great they are?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
But anyway, Steph Curry joined the chorus real quick.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Before you go there, I think I want to offer
the why Ron. I think it's easier because Babe Ruth
is so he's almost mythological, almost like he never even played.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
He's just so like a godlike figure.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
In baseball, I think in football we don't know who
the definitive best player.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Is, so I do for who Jim Brown or Lawrence Taylor.
I know I'm with you on those two. To me,
but Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, you got Tom Brady got
Jerry right, Jim Brown, I'm just saying Jim Brown or
Lawrence Taylor on my but right, But I'm saying some
people would say that.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Some people might say it's a quarterback another one like
Joe Montayner. So it's hard to like argue about something.
Whereas basketball, I think what has made things so much
easier is Jordan to Kobe Jordan and Lebron and and
it's easier.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
That Kobe's really a conversation.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Well, nowadays you ask people, Kobe's a lot of people's goat,
and so I think it just makes it for easier
fodder because you can do that.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
It's hard to be like Ted Williams or.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
You know, I mean the last guy hit four o six.
I never heard anybody say Tam Williams camp.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
That's what I'm saying. Nobody. It's harder to like arguing
debate those things.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I just think it happens a lot more.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
I know, and I'm agreeing. I'm just wondering.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I think that might be why it's easier to debate
who's the best more than any other sport.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Well, here, I thought you were upset because Steph Curry
is doing media rounds and he's on the Today Show
and out the odd Couple.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
That's what I thought you were upset about.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
We don't want Steph Curry wants somebody's gonna say something.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
Well, speaking of saying something, just go ahead and say no.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
He he was about to call us like, hey, we're
about to see y'all want to do Friday.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Show Steph again making the media outs to promote his
new book, of course on to Today Show.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Of course they're not going to ask him any real questions.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
It's like when Rob was promoting the year and eighty
Mouse book. Yes, he went on Bernie Fratto's podcast, he
went on Fred Rogan's radio show, he went on Doug
Gottlie's podcast.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
It was such a big but yeah step of over
Today Show promoting his new book.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
And they were asking him about the impact he's out
in the league since he's come in, And here's what
he said about where the league is now and how
it compares two years past.
Speaker 11 (24:30):
I was also about Wiseman when I was getting into
the league, like you want to leave the league in
a better place than when you found it. And I
think just the way that you see the skill level
right now, the way that the range just kind of
taken over and got to shoot threes all over the court,
but just from one through five and all the way
down the ross, I think this is the most skilled,
you know, era of basketball history. And so whether that
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was you know, young kids in the game now seeing
you know my generation the way that I play and
getting inspired by that, like that for me is important
in something I don't take for granted.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
I don't buy it.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I don't buy it in the sense that, yes, maybe
if you're talking about fifteen man roster, maybe twelve through
fifteen or more skilled than the twelve through fifteen in
the eighties and the nineties, I'll give you that. I
will give you there as somebody on the bench in
street clothes. Who if I took that guy in the
street clothes, guy from eighty six, he would cook him up.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
I'll give you that.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
But where I think people getting this whole thing misconstrued
is this is the era, and we've talked about this, Rob,
this is the personal trainer era. This is the I
don't just go play and try to play ball, and
who this is that guy to have a personal trainer
to work haha? High step back, step back, Hi, high
step back, step back, step back. And to me, okay, yeah,
you might have a step back better than somebody eight nine.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
You know what they had better then.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
They knew how to win, they knew how to make
basketball plays, they knew how to play with the team,
they knew how to play within a system. And I
think that's one of the things I will get misconstrued.
I'm not saying all these guys can. Obviously, Steph is
one of the greats. And if you look at current
guys le BRONI but I'm looking at to me, Yeah, okay,
yes there's a handle, Yes there's a again an ability
to do a eurostep or something as if the eurostep
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didn't happen back then. I don't buy that it equates
to better basketball. That's my biggest thing. I don't watch
basketball me and you just did our first whole postseason
run in the playoffs, and I don't believe I watched
better basketball than I did in previous years or eras.
I don't buy that at all. I watch guys and
I'm confused sometimes. Do you not see the open man?
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Did you not see the back cut? Why would you
take that shot? And just because I got a six
foot ten dude who can shoot threes, who's allowed to
shoot more threes, that doesn't mean he's better.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
I tell you this all the time. Rob.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
If I told Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Chauncey Phillips, you know, Detroit,
you're allowed to shoot eighteen threes tonight, and we wouldn't
better eye, I don't know what those guys would have happened.
I told Isaiah Thomas, Mark Price, the other guy, you
can shoot twenty threes a night, and we literally wouldn't
even think twice. Well, then yeah, he might look even
more skilled. And let me also offer you this. Everybody
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keeps talking, you know, and I don't believe everybody believes it,
but you get the whole Plumber joke about back in
the day, and I start thinking, I'll say, man, when
I look at Magic Johnson highlights, I ain't seen nothing
like it since. Name the guy if I showed you
those who's that skilled to do that, Michael Jordan. We
talk about him every day on day just about I
still haven't seen that. I've seen people try never seen that.
So the idea that just simply because guys spend more
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time with personal trainers and they'd work on this and
work on that. Are they more skilled? Okay, maybe the
last few dudes on the team. But the idea that
is better basketball. It's better aesthetically, it's better from a
high quality standpoint. That part I don't agree, and I
don't think when I watch games now that in most
of the games, not all that it's a better brand
of basketball than the year's previous. I don't agree with
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that portion of it.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
For me, I don't agree with it at all. I
just think this is typical. That was Steph patting himself
on the back that because of him shooting logo threes
he's made everybody better and everybody wants to be like
him and he's revelutionized basketball.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
The reason he's had success is because.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Of the rule changes, the spacing that people have, the
idea that you can't defend anybody, touch anybody.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
That makes for an easier game. It just does.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
You talk about players all the time and they'll tell
you it's easy to score. All the European players say, dude,
are you kidding.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I'll come here and be like, wait, this is the
NBA physically from a physical standard way.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
There's there's nothing here, like really, I can't even put
my hand, I can't even touch you. Sure the skills better,
I have a free path, I can just drive.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yes, what what?
Speaker 8 (28:42):
What?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
What part of that?
Speaker 6 (28:44):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
And I'm with you. I just don't. I don't see
it at all. I don't buy into it.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
I think this is just players thinking because they're in
better shape and they wear a better snick and all
that I'll give you that and all that that they're
that somehow they were better, I would beg to difference
say that what they were able to do during that
time wearing sneakers without arches and taking trains and you
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know what I mean. In fact, when I covered the NBA,
they flew commercial right, Yeah, seventh footer sitting in coach,
you're no first class seat. Seventh footer had a squeeze
in that. That is what went on and had to play.
We were on the first flight out because in those
days in the winter, you couldn't take the two o'clock
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to get to the game.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
You gotta get on a six thirty.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
In case there's snow or ice and that fight gets canceled,
you got to catch the next one.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
So we were always on.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
The first flight six thirty from Milwaukee to Detroit or
wherever it is.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
And that's what those players had to deal with.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
It's totally different, but skill wise to just say because
it's easier to score now and they have the benefit
of the new spacing where they have a to work
and I physically can't touch you. There's a lot of
stuff that goes in there, and these guys continue to
bash uh the players who played, And I'm with you,
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if those guys were playing today and they had all
of these other things, are you kidding me? If you
think Michael Jordan would have been a hell of a
three point shooter, you have no idea of the skill
or or if Isaiah Thomas couldn't be touched, or what
those guys had to go through them?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Are all those guys sure they would? Those are all
time greats. And here's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Now, you got one one and a half players maybe
on those days, go back and look at the teams
where you're talking about bird Magic, I mean bird John
right like right there, and then you and then you
would go and look at some of these other teams
with players that they had. Everybody had like two or
three really good players and it wasn't as many players
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and all that. I just I think the league is
way watered down. It's probably six teams that don't really
need to be around and sixteams full of players who
probably aren't NBA players.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And look at where they even are in the draft.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
They don't even they don't have two rounds, like there
aren't that many great players.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
And I'll add this too, I still and Rob g
you're a big hoop guy, and Rob you mccovern the
league for years, since nineteen eighty seven, since nineteen seven.
I look at this and I tried, and I really
try to not be the old get off my long guy,
and I'm really looking at this. I Kyrie is arguably
one of the most talented we've ever seen. So there's
always gonna be a steph Is up there. We got
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a handful of guys. But like, I see a lot
of guard play from the early two thousands that I
don't see nowadays.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
Like I see it about everybody, oh, every being more
skilled today.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I'm like, I don't see a lot of Baron Davis's,
Steve Francis st Stephan Marlberry like guards that were just
crazy and shoot, dribble, pass, jump out the gym. I'm
like every Alan Iverson, like everybody just hold on now again,
just because you have some of your moves that you
spending your trainer and you've worked on your personal game
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since you were ten twelve years old. Back in the day,
it was more so you played basketball and worked on
team and you understood the fundamentals of how to win.
You know, I don't think it just automatically means you're
more skilled. So that's my biggest thing, is people just
automatically saying it just simply because you know, a random center, yeah,
and Aaron gad shape and a random center might be
able to dribble, but.
Speaker 8 (32:27):
The'm like, yeah, that doesn't mean he can win.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And we all sit up here in the last handful
of years to complain about the quality of the game.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
We complain about what we're witnessing, what we're seeing. How
why everybody talks about it?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
You know that seventy threes and again it's like, that's it,
So that made you better?
Speaker 8 (32:43):
That I get to go, ooh, it's so better, so
much better.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Why is the game so bad?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah, it's inefficient, and so that that's my biggest thing. Yes,
Steph is an outlier, meaning you're you're one of them ones.
Kyrie is one of the ones, you know, Luca. But again,
those international guys, they often learn how to play the game,
like how to play basketball, not just simply you know,
work on a drill over and over and over again,
to put on YouTube and face and you know, Twitter
(33:10):
and TikTok and all that
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