September 15, 2025 • 33 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether the 0-2 Kansas City Chiefs are destined to miss the postseason for the first time in the Patrick Mahomes Era and argue whether the Pittsburgh Steelers are already regretting going all-in on Aaron Rodgers for one season. Plus, former Pro Bowl wide receiver and ‘Up on Game’ co-host TJ Houshmandzadeh swings by to discuss Joe Burrow’s poor injury luck, the 0-2 Kansas City Chiefs, Lamar Jackson’s incredible play so far this season, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
It's a tough scene in Kansas City. Starting off oh
and two for the first time in the Mahomes era,
They've lost three straight games for the first time in
the Mahomes era.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
And here's the other issue.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
The Chiefs again first time starting oh and two is
twenty fourteen as a franchise, not just Andy Reid, not
just Patrick Mahomes, not just Travis Kelsey. They have missed
the postseason each of the last six times they've started
the season oh and two. And if that wasn't bad enough,
across the NFL, teams that start out oh and two
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only make the playoffs twelve percent of the time.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Kelvin, I got news for you.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
What's that The percentages could say twelve percent, I'm saying
zero percent.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
The Chiefs will not.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
And ot make the playoffs. I have been talking about
them for two years now. And the Lucky Rabbits foot well,
I've been chronicling this all, the demise of what's going on,
and Patrick Mahomes and the numbers. I made the mistake
last year and said that Patrick Mahomes had turned into
Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I'm wrong. He's worse than Daniel Jones. Are you kidding me?
Have you seen the numbers for Patrick Mahomes?
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Not good? Not even not good? How about terrible? How
about awful? I'll give you the numbers. Passer rating eighty two,
twenty sixth in the National Force League, not even completing
sixty percent of his passes, fifty eight point eight, twenty.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Eighth in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Yards per pass twenty first at six point five.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Dinking, dunkdink and dunk enough.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Dinking is good, and dunking with donuts, but not football
so much.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
Just say shocking, dunk with you don't want to be
dunking Yeorge per game two hundred and twenty two and
a half seven times for seventeenth and two touchdowns one
pick in two games so far.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
So the numbers are not good.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Travis Kelsey's retired, and on any other day he might
as well retire because once he started talking about it,
you're basically retired as a player, and you saw the
bad play and turned into an interception. But he's just
a non factor. I mean, it's unbelievable how much of
a non factor he is. You know, you can talk
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about waiting for receivers to come back and keep hoping
and wishing, and before it was Patrick mahoh, they have
the most drop, and they had this, and they had
that that. People have kept making excuses instead of looking
at what the numbers are, and the numbers aren't good.
I'm just I'm not surprised. I'm really not. But it
finally caught up to them. All that good luck. I
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told you last year they weren't gonna win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
They were way too lucky.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Teams would blow up and make a bad place to
help them win. The kicker would hit the upright or
miss an easy field goal or whatever it was. It
was all these things that happened. And now here they
are two games in and the games that they normally
win no matter what, they haven't been able to win.
So I'm not surprised. I know the math. The math
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says twelve percent of teams that start zering too don't
make the playoffs. Right, I'm saying just zero. I just
do not see them making the playoffs. And I know
there's fifteen games to go and a lot of football
to play. I just I'm looking at this team and
I'm just I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
This is where I don't understand you. Sometimes I love
you like a play cousin, but I don't get it.
They're owing two and each game, especially yesterday, they lose
by three to the reigning champs. And you just mentioned
Travis Kelce catches that touchdown pass, it's a different game.
He does it not all day. We could do all
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day and we can, so let me do it. So
Travis Kelce catches that touchdown, we might be having a
completely different conversation. And similar to the Chargers, they're right
that d that thing or drive away from winning it.
So they got to win those games and they have
historically the last year or two won those games.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Here's why I'm not counting them out. Number one.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You just mentioned it, that have fifteen games left, and
if i'm them, I'm saying, we just two teams who
are legitimate playoff teams who look well.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
One is the raining chants to owing two their season's over. Yeah,
but the Jets ain't the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
So like I was saying, I'm looking at it as
the Chargers look like they're gonna be They were a
playoff team and look like they're gonna be really good.
We'll find out more tonight. And also the Eagles have
been good for the last three four years and they're
the raigning champs. We were in both of those games.
In fact, again you felt really good about If you're
the Tenna City Chief and you feel really good about that.
Now here's the reason why what you said matters to me.
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I'm looking at it as we're competitive with two really
good teams. We're in this We still have, of course,
two guys coming worthy might be back next game. And
then you got Rashid Rice who could be backing the
noise another three or four games. So as long as
if you stay in this thing and you're three and three,
you're even here for two and three, and you're voting
around there, you have more than enough runway to right
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the ship. Similarly to how I felt about the Ravens
last year when they started off oh and two. If
there's a team that can go one and two, one
and three, oh and two on three, it'd be a
handful of teams. The Chiefs are one of those teams.
They've been right there in those games. And I know
again they feel like we are a player too a
way if we get our guys back. So to me,
I'm looking at it as defenses can you around, especially
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against the Eagles. And then again, when we get our
guys back, we have more explosiveness. We got guys who
can take it over the top. To your point, they've
been dinking and dunk. We have opportunities to go along.
We have opportunities for special plays, little bubble screen that
breaks because worthiest fast as I don't know what, so
I don't look at it as and again last point
to two teams were ten and seven that made the
post even season. You got the Bucks that made the
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postseason at ten and seven and the Broncos made in
your own division made the postseason last year at ten
and seven. Ten and seven, so you have plenty more
games if you gotta lose a couple more. If you've
obviously got to go on a nice winning streak ten
and seven if that can get you in. This team
is capable of ten and seven to get in.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I'm not writing them off how you are based off
of those facts alone.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Right there? I rowed them off.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Last year, I told you they couldn't win a super Bowl.
You to tell me that they win a Super and.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
No one does. I told you they weren't good enough,
they couldn't win a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
So you old you, You told told you because only
one team would win the Super Bowl even we went
out on the limb, rod.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Could have been six.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So what I told you, robster domas you're the man,
they literally win maybe sixteen and maybe sixteen and one some.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Of this football since nineteen eighty. Here's what I'll do.
Here's what I'll do that.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I'll just say a team was gonna lose every week,
lose every week, and it acts like it doesn't matter.
And then when you come in, don't want to bring
it up that they lost until they they won, until
they lose.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
So let me learn from you. They're gonna lose.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
They're gonna lose it even though he win, they won,
they won, they won, they won, then they finally lose
in the.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Super I told you. You told me every week they
were gonna lose.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
All of it did just like half weeks, just like
I told you the Lions were and you told.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Me that for ten weeks.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I told Rob G they won the receipts that Rob
G told me every week you would have picked the Lions.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You go in there and you picked them every week
thinking they were going to win.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Some teams or fifteen and two don't look like broster
domas just like.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
What you call you had them beating the Washington didn't
win the super Bowl. God forbid you get to the
Super was supposed to be there. There was supposed God forbid.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I told you when I didn't tell you when it
was striking.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I told you when they were eleven or twelve and
o that they weren't winning. No Super Bowl ain't gonna is.
You kept telling me they're gonna lose. No, that's who.
I don't know what you want to listen to. That's impressive.
When they're gonna lose, they're gonna lose. They're gonna lose.
They're gonna lose, They're gonna lose. I'm probably gotta right. No,
they're not gonna win.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
The super's gonna tell me I told you that, and
I'm telling you again.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
You'll go back. You know the best about it. Fans
know that's that's what they're doing the best. No, you
got everything on YouTube. They all know I love them Microwaves.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
He sat here and told me Jim ain't gonna get fired.
He just took the Knicks to the best place they
ever been. What I would next day, I told you
I want to get fired. You told me that they overachieved.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
They achieved. No, they did not overachieved. Team got fired
their coach. Why you bring why why are you going
back to the Knicks? What I got to do anything? No,
I'm just trying to stop.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
I'm telling you stuff ahead of time, way ahead of time.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
So if you listen to.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
The program every single week, you tell me the Lions
lose a right, the Chiefs are gonna lose and Rogers
ain't gonna do this.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
You're gonna I told you. You told me this week
they're gonna lose.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
This'n I got that one wrong this week coming.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
To that's all I need play Baltimore that you just
said that I got this one wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I'm better now.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
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Speaker 1 (10:07):
All right, TJ who's was on a former Pro Bowl
Rob Receiver co host a why would you do this?
You know? Jeez was in Detroit last week and I
missed it. Co hosts of Up on Game on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
We got a themes that got music?
Speaker 7 (10:19):
Now?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
All right? Who's eighty four X? Who's I Love It?
What's up?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Man?
Speaker 7 (10:25):
To? What's going on? Shallas?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
We're going, good Man? Where you want to start? Roberts
so much we could we could jump into Chiefs. I
got the Chiefs. I'm not surprised TJ.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
I've been on this bandwagon for the last couple of years,
just the way that they've played, how lucky they've been.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Even last year, a lot of games went their way.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Now all of a sudden, they're owing to in games
that they usually win, you know, one score games, and
now owing to what's your forecast for the Chiefs.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
They've been lucky the last two years. You know what
they say were lucky is when preparation.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
J can you stop the kicker?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
The Raiders mishandled a snap that ain't preparation. The kicker
for the Chargers missed the easy field goal that ain't preparation.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
Luck favors Luck favors the guys that are prepared. Now, listen,
I picked the Chargers to win the division.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
This year, but the Chiefs not making the playoffs. That's
where I'm at.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
I don't know if I would go that far. But
they've been on a downward spiral offensively for the last
couple of years, and the defense has just picked them up.
And now that the defense cannot pick them up as
much as they need, it's even worse. Like they can't
they can't move the ball effectively. People are playing the Chiefs.
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Like the way they play. The Chiefs defensively, you wouldn't
think they were not what Patrick mahomes as a quarterback,
but they won a division nine years in a row.
John Harball, John Jim Harball is a great coach in
his second year? What are you to do with the Niners?
So right now I have the Chargers and the Green
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Bay Packers going to the Super Bowl. I said this
before the season started. Let's see if that holds truth.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Okay, yeah, I'm on. I believe they can still make
it ten and seven.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Got the Bucks and also got the Broncos in there.
I think the Chiefs can do that. I just think
that once they get their receivers back, as you know.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Maybe I will sign in a row and it'll be
great for NFL America.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
All right, let's go to a team. You know you're
familiar with the Bengals. We were just talking about them
before we got on with you. The bad news with
Joe Burrow could be out minimum three months, could be longer.
At some point, you wonder if they'll just pull the
plug on the whole season. Between his health, the defense
being just called the defense because it ain't no d
What do you make of this Bengals team right now
and is the next year next year because all the
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money is on the offensive side. I worry that this
could be a situation where Joe Burrow got to the
super Bowl early and may never get to And I'll
tell you why, because of a team you picked.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
You picked justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You still got my homes, you got Lamar Jackson, you
got Josh Allen, you got CJ.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Shroud. That conference is crazy with quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
It's disappointing, man Like, it's our root for the Bengals.
And to start the season too. And oh when the
last few years we can't even get the first two
weeks of the season. We don't even know how to win.
Feels like right, so to be to one zero and
offense didn't play well Week one, Defense held us down.
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Defense couldn't really get a stop against the Jags. If
Trevor Lawrence hut and throw the ball to us at
the end zone and Diamie Brown drops a touchdown that's
right in his hands, it's a different story. But Trey
Hendrickson made a play when it mattered at the end
of the game and sell that for us. But having
Joe pretty much. He's out for the season. Man, it's
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a heartbreaker. This is Joe burrows sixth season, and this
is the third season he's pretty much gonna miss the
entirety of the season, more than half of the games.
You tear your knee. He had a risk injury and
now this, and so it's really nothing you can do.
Joe's one of the best quarterbacks in the league. But
at some point you gotta wonder can he stayed healthy consistently,
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consistently enough to lead us where.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
We need to go, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
I want to ask you about Russell Wilson. Rex Ryan
said on ESPN that he was finished. He couldn't play anymore.
He only had like four hundred and fifty years. He
still throws the deep ball. What did you make of Russ?
Russ's performance? And despite all that, the Giants still couldn't
win the game. I mean, just just a bad That's
a bad loss to me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
He's scored a touchdown right for them, TJ with twenty
five seconds ago.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
You got to win that game, don't you.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Russell Wilson played a fantastic football game. He made a
bone head decision at the handpoint he to that pick,
but I felt like he was just throwing the ball
down the field, and he was like, hey, one of
these guys gonna make a play. For all the people
that say receivers don't matter the boy, they better go
watch that game and look at what Elak Neighbors was
on and the type of plays make it. But the
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play that really bothered me was after they take the
lead in the fourth quarter and they played a soft
Tampa to defense and they let that completed to the
tight end and that put him in field goal range.
Because of Brandon Aubrey, anything within sixty is a field
goal range.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
But I don't know the TJ. You got to help
me out.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
This happens every week with no time like it happens
like ten seconds, fifteen twenty. It doesn't matter what it is,
you know what, I'm allowed teams to get in field goal range.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
That reminded me of when the Buffalo Bills that when
Tyreek Kill against the Kansas City he see without Tyreek Hill,
they don't play that way. And so but that's what
that reminded me of. It's like, you got game plan
and Dave was an old school coach man them jihants
coaches and they in office today. They getting out the
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office at one am, y'all game planning all damn day.
Y'all in the office till eleven twelve, one o'clock in
the morning. And this is what y'all do in the game.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Thank you?
Speaker 7 (16:17):
What what is going on?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
All that is is you know what like a badge
of honor? Who he slept in the coaches room? We
did get, no, But that's what they brag. No, that's
what they brag about, is about how many hours day
we get two hours? You know, I'm sleeping in my
office and all that, and you still turning that stuff right?
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Hey, good, Hey, get in an argument with your wife
and she brings out up you sleeping in neither calls
you're making exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
That's what I would say as well. TJ.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
W Hoos was out of our guest, former Pro Bowl
wide receiver of course, co host of Up on Game
on Fox Sports Radio as well. I want to go
to this one. He and I were talking a little
further about it as well. But the Lions bounce back
in the critical You know, you don't want to start
a season one two, especially losing two in the Division.
They don't they win, they put up a fifty piece
what'd you make of that?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Performance?
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Man? The Lions, they was ready for Ben Johnson to
come on on back to Detroit. They were ready for that.
It's just really crazy that Caleb Williams like at the
start of the game. First two games he lights out,
like Ben Johnson and him can really script some plays
to start a game. And then they just completely crumbled.
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I don't the Detroit Lions to me needed that, because
after Week one I was like, whoa they really meant?
Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn like what are they going
to do? And they answered the bell? Now I don't
know what. Like. Defensively last year, the Chicago Bears were
pretty good on defense last year. They're atrocious defensively this
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year thus far. Fifty one point that's what I get.
And the Detroit Lions team had struggled mightily in Week
one and Dennis Allen's defense gives up fifty one points.
You're a man the man defensive coordinator. When Jamon Johnson
is hurt, he's not playing, you can't play your scheme.
You gotta do what your players do best, not with
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what you want to do. And so I thought the
lines played well. Way to show up, I'm and raw
did this thing, Jamison Williams. Way before the draft, they
asked me to name a sleeper receiver. I said, I'm
not gonna name somebody I train. I'm gonna name Isaac
kess Law. And he out there ball and making one hand.
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Nobody had never heard of him, and I shot at
he down. Look at him now.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah, but those catchers are with those sticky gloves.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
HEJJ, how many guys are wearing them? Glove?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I don't care. I don't care.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
TJ can Those are all fraudulent catches, you hear me.
I don't count any of them, DJ zero. They don't
do anything for me. They don't even OBJ.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
I know everybody's everybody's wearing them. Everybody make it case.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
There's sticky gloves.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
It's like eating sticky wings in Times Square.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I keep telling them, everybody doing it. Everybody is not
gonna let me. Do you know that you play football?
Speaker 5 (19:13):
They didn't let you use sticky gloves? Know he didn't.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
And TJ. You remember, go look at the Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
They went out and played with with high school kids
and they had them try to catch the football with
no gloves. They gave them no sticky gloves, and those
high school kids caught every single ball that went their way.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
TJ.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
You know what makes a difference, doesn't it when.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
You have gloves that have a little stickiness to them.
It makes a difference. Okay, But this is the thing, though,
We're not seeing one hand catches by everybody, and that's
makes that play. You gotta get that player, at least
I do. I'm giving him the credit because we're not
seeing that every week like the d hops. When he
does it, that's expected that that's what he does.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Made a career.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I'm not that I'm not that worked up and feel
that good about it time I see it.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
And teaching receivers, all you need to know is we
watched what was it, one weekend of college football, and
they had four of the greatest catchers we ever saw
in the same weekend.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
What does that tell you, gjy Rob.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
I came in, I came into the league, man Tim
browned it out, just tape on the fingers, man, and
then I went to playing Pittsburgh. It was got it
got real cold. I put them gloves on. I never
went back to the tape on the fingers.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I bet you didn't. Hey, last thing I want to
ask you about.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
The Ravens are averaging what forty and a half points
a game, and they like they could take the foot
off the gas whenever they want. What do you make
of their offense?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
And it looks like they don't They're not even trying
really hard.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
I don't I tried what I what I tell you
last week you was on John Harbaugh's head. I told you,
I said, Paul's rob they gonna be all right. And
you know, Grant Dell puit uh got him a little
excited talking about they just the Ravens and he gonna
do this and he gonna do that, and they put
him in his place. It's a big game coming up.
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I believe they played the Detroit Lions this Sunday, and
the Baltimore Ravens and John Harball normally destroy the NFI
and so I'm eager to see. Now. Defensively, can they
shut a Detroit offense down that just went the work
that we just spoke about against the Chicago Bears. And offensively,
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are they gonna be able to go up and down
the field? But Lamar Jackson, Man, you the best quarterback in.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
The league, no doubt, he the best.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
He can run him and Josh Allen. You take who
you want. You can't go wrong with either one. But Man,
lamar this dude. The last two seasons, Man, his development
as a passer. You gotta get that young man so
much credit because all he did was going to lab
work and get better and better and better and do this.
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Dude is playing football the quarterback position, probably better than
we've ever seen a quarterback do it, at least in
my eyes, I know what throwing.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
We He just passed Aaron Rodgers for the best passer
rating for a quarterback in the history of the National
Football He just passed Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
And guess what, he's an all time leading rusher for
quarterbacks also, so when have we win a running quarterback
really can't throw the ball, That's what they say. He's
doing both at a high, high level.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
We gotta go. But yeah, appreciate you as always. He's
the best player in NFL the last two three years.
I've been saying and Rob has been saying it as well.
It is the odd couple. Thank you, TJ. Appreciate it. Man,
We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
All right, keep up the great work.
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Speaker 4 (22:52):
Yeah, everything that could go wrong did go wrong for
Pittsburgh Home years against the Seattle Seahawks. Against Sam Darnold
in the Seahawks. First off, you have Caleb Johnson, rookie
running back. I guess doesn't know the new kickoff rules,
because he lets the ball go past him into the
end zone, which by the new rules of course of
atlanticween the goal line and the twenty that ball is
live no matter what happens. And it went into the
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end zone, he'd' even attempts to try to recover it.
Seattle rushes down there to get it. They don't recover
it either, but since it goes out of the back
of the end zone, it becomes a touchdown. So seven
points there. Aaron Rodgers throws two interceptions, including one of
them in the end zone, which after the game he
ended up blaming his receiver. For now, I'm sure he
was right, because even the receivers that he was right
it just wasn't a great look for him to do
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that after the game. And the last, but not least,
probably the most egregious thing the Steelers defense. That vaunted
Steelers defense with TJ. Watt and Jalen Ramsey and big
play Darius Slay is currently giving up thirty one and
a half points per game through the first two weeks
and just about four hundred yards per game. Were it
not for a sixty yard Chris Boswell field goal in
Week one, we could be talking about the zero to
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two Pittsburgh Steelers. So, guys, here's the question. What's the
big problem right now in Pittsburgh For me?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Is what I thought it would be coming into when
I talked about this last season during the off season.
They're not good defensively, everybody thinks they are. They're not
as good as you think. They don't have a running
back and running game. They got rid of Najie here,
so they got rid of back, so they don't have
a running game. And you're gonna need Aaron Rodgers, who
is not built right now at this point in his life,
to bring you back. You're gonna have to have some
games where you're up, have some game where you're controlling
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the clock and have some games where the defense can
do some things. And I don't think they're built that
way right now, So they're gonna put him in some
non advantageous situations. So I don't like the way they're constructed.
I thought my whole point was they need to be
building for the future, and they're gonna be putting Aaron
Rodgers in some positions where he's gonna have to make
plays that he's not able to. And remember we had
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that was it an anonymous person or executly was talking
about anonymous coach who was saying, how you know, he
was watching Week one and there's some throws that Aaron
Rodgers made off his back foot. He was doing things
that should have been interceptions and that you can't get
away with. And even I was like, all right, that's
a little extra right now, you put a little extra
sauce on that. As we got a block punt and
the Texans recovered from the block punt of the Buccaneers.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
We'll get to that just a second.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
There were some throws that Aaron Rodgers made that I
was like, oh, there's one in fact by the guy
who ended up getting the interception ultimately one you were
reference Againzo. He threw it right, I mean right at him,
about ten yards away, directly out him.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I can't believe he didn't catch that.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
So it's interesting hearing that, me saying all right, come on,
you put a little extra sauce on that. Then the
next week, which was yesterday, watching that. So I just
don't like the way they're constructed. Again, I don't think
they're that great defensively. You let the Jets put a
four hundred yards of offense on you, thirty two points
the Jets. Then you turn around and let Sam Donald
and his new team do the same as well. So
I have a lot of concerns if I'm the Steelers
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based off of things I said well before this season.
I don't think they run the ball, but I don't
have a single type of running game. This is not
the two thousand, three, four, five, six, seven eight Steelers
you picture in your head with big Ben, Jerome bettis fast,
Willie Parker. This isn't that. And the defense is not
again in all Pittsburgh Steelers in your head.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Defense, Yeah, it's a defensive problem that they got to
get sorted out. You can't give up four hundred yards
and thirty one or two points a game and expect
to win.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
You just can't do it. And then you're adding the
mixing the turnovers. You're not going to have nobody's perfect,
No one's going to be able to have zero, you know,
interceptions and what It's just that's not football, that's not
how it plays. We saw Jared Golf in the postseason
when it you know, when it Matt at most and
all year he didn't turn the ball over like that,
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and what happened he had four turnovers. Turnovers are a
part of the game, but you also have to be
able to stop the other team and make the offense
not predictable, and that's what they've been so far. But
there is no future, there is no you're not playing
for the future. You haven't won a playoff game in
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almost ten years. That whole idea of building for the
future is now. It's just not where it's really ask you,
I don't because I don't. I don't think that that's
where you are.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I just when you're saying you specifically, the Steelers are
your team, any team.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
See, that's why I don't agree. I don't. I don't
agree any team. I don't think that.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
That's not the way you go in thinking that, Oh, yeah,
we're gonna we'll build for the next five You the
Minnesota Viking. You got a young quarter you're thinking. No,
I got one of the best receivers in the game.
I got guys who can run the ball. I got
a good defense. No, I'm gonna add him in hopefully
doesn't turn the ball over too much and we can.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
That's the exact team I was gonna say.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
You have Sam Donald, who you figure is gonna be
at least even fourteen to three. You go twelve and something,
and you got a chance to JJ is our guy,
that's our future.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
No, that's not it.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
They don't believe in Sam Donald because in the two
biggest games of the year he went the bed and
they don't want to pay a guy like.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
That because they have their guy. They have the guy
up to get him at twinth.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
It was because it was more because they didn't believe
in Sam Darnal. That's so if they really believed in
Sam Donald, they could have pushed JJ another year or so.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
They want to go get It's about That's why they
didn't even think about Aaron Rodgers because they said we
have our guy and JJ. That's the exactly you couldn't
have run up a better example. We have our guy
and Sam Donald's played well nobody, but you know what
we're willing to move.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
We jumped.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
You're talking about about down the road to build for
the future. That's not what people are trying to compete now.
You don't have three years. You know what I don't
have bring up to you, don't you, Matt Flynn. We
gotta guy. Russell Wilson is our guy. We got our
young guy in the future and that guy and that guy.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
My point is you have to start to have to
do you can have to stay succesful. But that's what's
the point of being nine and eight, ten and seven
for one random season they had a playoff game in
almost a decade. They're trying to this team, that's what
they're trying to do, and.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Do that.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I oh Russell, could.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I oh Russell Wilson in the pology because I said,
Aaron Rodgers is gonna look like Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
No, he ain't. Aaron Rodgers ain't throwing no four hundred
and fifty yards and you're tested out like here, I'm
gonna game.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I'm game.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Luissell Wilson won so far with the four hundreds. He
ain't doing that guy. I thought so Russell Wilson was
bad on that bro. I thought I told Aaron Rodgers
he could be like you, I take that back. That's
on your boy. I take I own that one.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Just the air is now, you wouldn't be a general
manager long talking about some futures.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I would know you would because I absolutely with a win. Now,
like a fan of a team that never won. You
like I'm saying, a fan of a.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Team that's never won anything. So you think, no, oh yeah,
we got five years. It ain't no five years, you're
not going to be around. And the NFL stands for NFL,
not for long. And so this whole idea, you put
the best team available. Now, I might not work out,
you might not win. It ain't but you can't do that.
You ain't talking about no next year down the road
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or let me get.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
No, you can't.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
If there was somebody who had an opportun tunity to
build for years, it would be Mike Tomlin, so meaning
two three years, he's we're gonna find our guy. We're
gonna start. He's the guy who can because he's with
an organization. Doesn't fire him. They haven't want a playoff
game in nine years. What he needs to win, that's
what he needs to win now, the one he needs
(30:19):
to win.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Now, that's what it was. Quarterback.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Come on, man, the Steelers win now they need to
win a playoff and they went inside way they need
and they went inside.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Maybe Russell Wilson light that's your answer.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yes, well, then good luck Steelers because you'll be exactly
where you were last year. Have you'll win, You'll win
three or four you're gonna lose three or four. Our
I'm saying, went to the playoffs. Start, they want to
win a playoff.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
And they win a horrible stretch to the playoffs. Did
they win did they go to the playoffs that? Did
they go to the playoffs last year? Wait? You just
said it's about winning. No, I'm asking you. Did they
go yes? They went?
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Okay, did Gorbles win a playoff game? That's the game,
that's not did they make the playoffs game?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Wait, so that's what they do. So what's the issue. Okay,
the idea is trying to win a playoff game? Idea
a trying to five years later. That's not hoping to win.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Nobody ain't nobody, So we can have a five six years.
You know what. Baker Mayfield in the Bucks, they're trying
to win now.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
C J.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Stroud in the Texas, they're trying to win the time
right now.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
And you know what team that's the team that's got
a five year playing with a young quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Every team that has a young quarterback.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
No, that's not.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
You don't think it's not. You don't think the command
that's not. They're trying to win. You don't think justin herner.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
You got to win. You find your guy. They're trying
to win.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
You don't think Buffalo Bills were excited they found a guy.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
No, you don't. Aaron Rodgers trying to win. They're trying
to win. That's a terrible attempt to win, is all
I'm saying, Rob, Why don't you disagree with them them?
That's fine.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
But the idea in the NFL is to try to win.
Give yourself the best chance every year. Idea it's the best.
And I opening my own as by finding my quarterback.
It's what the it's with the forty nine ers, it's
fifteen teams that need a quarterback? What's finding your quarterback?
Proving this fourteen team? So what does that mean? You're
proving my point?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
There's the old guys playing. You know why there's no playing,
there's no quarterbacks out. You know what you're doing? You
furthering my point. No, I'm not why I go to
find my guys. You that's why you want to find
I'm not making your quarterly are I know why I
go to Justin Field? That's the quarterback? How do you
look this week? You go? How did Justin Field look
(32:33):
this week? I'm asking you. I don't talk about No,
I'm asking you how did he look? I'm talking about
was the quarterback you wanted them to stay with? And you?
Speaker 5 (32:42):
How did he look this week with the jetson week took?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
That's all? You can't find your guy, Mardan Aaron Rodgers
ain't seven.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Let's go his last call time. Listen, you go find her.
You just mentioned the fifteen teams. It's the same fifteen
teams who found their guy. Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert Patrick, No,
you missed the point. Jared Goff, Dayton Daniels missed the
bow Nicks. Shall I go down the list. The Rams
have their guy with Jared Golf or not.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
No he was They want the guy. They went to
the Super Bowl. He wasn't there. They got a chance
to go Matthew the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
What is s Matthew Statthews Stafford was zero and three
in the postseason, but they got him.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Person, That's not why they got him.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
That's not why that Stafford was not a better quarter
He wasn't a better quarterback.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
And the problem was they didn't believe in Jared Golf.
That's why Fox Sports Rader now Matthew Stafford. At that
time he was terrible. Ox Sports Rader.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
I watched every single game of his He was terrible,
still terrible.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
It's a tough scene in Kansas City. Starting off oh
and two for the first time in the Mahomes era,
They've lost three straight games for the first time in
the Mahomes era.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
And here's the other issue.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
The Chiefs again first time starting oh and two is
twenty fourteen as a franchise, not just Andy Reid, not
just Patrick Mahomes, not just Travis Kelsey. They have missed
the postseason each of the last six times they've started
the season oh and two. And if that wasn't bad enough,
across the NFL, teams that start out oh and two
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only make the playoffs twelve percent of the time.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Kelvin, I got news for you.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
What's that The percentages could say twelve percent, I'm saying
zero percent.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
The Chiefs will not.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
And ot make the playoffs. I have been talking about
them for two years now. And the Lucky Rabbits foot well,
I've been chronicling this all, the demise of what's going on,
and Patrick Mahomes and the numbers. I made the mistake
last year and said that Patrick Mahomes had turned into
Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I'm wrong. He's worse than Daniel Jones. Are you kidding me?
Have you seen the numbers for Patrick Mahomes?
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Not good? Not even not good? How about terrible? How
about awful? I'll give you the numbers. Passer rating eighty two,
twenty sixth in the National Force League, not even completing
sixty percent of his passes, fifty eight point eight, twenty.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Eighth in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Yards per pass twenty first at six point five.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Dinking, dunkdink and dunk enough.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Dinking is good, and dunking with donuts, but not football
so much.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
Just say shocking, dunk with you don't want to be
dunking Yeorge per game two hundred and twenty two and
a half seven times for seventeenth and two touchdowns one
pick in two games so far.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
So the numbers are not good.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Travis Kelsey's retired, and on any other day he might
as well retire because once he started talking about it,
you're basically retired as a player, and you saw the
bad play and turned into an interception. But he's just
a non factor. I mean, it's unbelievable how much of
a non factor he is. You know, you can talk
(02:53):
about waiting for receivers to come back and keep hoping
and wishing, and before it was Patrick mahoh, they have
the most drop, and they had this, and they had
that that. People have kept making excuses instead of looking
at what the numbers are, and the numbers aren't good.
I'm just I'm not surprised. I'm really not. But it
finally caught up to them. All that good luck. I
(03:15):
told you last year they weren't gonna win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
They were way too lucky.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Teams would blow up and make a bad place to
help them win. The kicker would hit the upright or
miss an easy field goal or whatever it was. It
was all these things that happened. And now here they
are two games in and the games that they normally
win no matter what, they haven't been able to win.
So I'm not surprised. I know the math. The math
(03:46):
says twelve percent of teams that start zering too don't
make the playoffs. Right, I'm saying just zero. I just
do not see them making the playoffs. And I know
there's fifteen games to go and a lot of football
to play. I just I'm looking at this team and
I'm just I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
This is where I don't understand you. Sometimes I love
you like a play cousin, but I don't get it.
They're owing two and each game, especially yesterday, they lose
by three to the reigning champs. And you just mentioned
Travis Kelce catches that touchdown pass, it's a different game.
He does it not all day. We could do all
(04:27):
day and we can, so let me do it. So
Travis Kelce catches that touchdown, we might be having a
completely different conversation. And similar to the Chargers, they're right
that d that thing or drive away from winning it.
So they got to win those games and they have
historically the last year or two won those games.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Here's why I'm not counting them out. Number one.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You just mentioned it, that have fifteen games left, and
if i'm them, I'm saying, we just two teams who
are legitimate playoff teams who look well.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
One is the raining chants to owing two their season's over. Yeah,
but the Jets ain't the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
So like I was saying, I'm looking at it as
the Chargers look like they're gonna be They were a
playoff team and look like they're gonna be really good.
We'll find out more tonight. And also the Eagles have
been good for the last three four years and they're
the raigning champs. We were in both of those games.
In fact, again you felt really good about If you're
the Tenna City Chief and you feel really good about that.
Now here's the reason why what you said matters to me.
(05:19):
I'm looking at it as we're competitive with two really
good teams. We're in this We still have, of course,
two guys coming worthy might be back next game. And
then you got Rashid Rice who could be backing the
noise another three or four games. So as long as
if you stay in this thing and you're three and three,
you're even here for two and three, and you're voting
around there, you have more than enough runway to right
(05:39):
the ship. Similarly to how I felt about the Ravens
last year when they started off oh and two. If
there's a team that can go one and two, one
and three, oh and two on three, it'd be a
handful of teams. The Chiefs are one of those teams.
They've been right there in those games. And I know
again they feel like we are a player too a
way if we get our guys back. So to me,
I'm looking at it as defenses can you around, especially
(06:01):
against the Eagles. And then again, when we get our
guys back, we have more explosiveness. We got guys who
can take it over the top. To your point, they've
been dinking and dunk. We have opportunities to go along.
We have opportunities for special plays, little bubble screen that
breaks because worthiest fast as I don't know what, so
I don't look at it as and again last point
to two teams were ten and seven that made the
post even season. You got the Bucks that made the
(06:22):
postseason at ten and seven and the Broncos made in
your own division made the postseason last year at ten
and seven. Ten and seven, so you have plenty more
games if you gotta lose a couple more. If you've
obviously got to go on a nice winning streak ten
and seven if that can get you in. This team
is capable of ten and seven to get in.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I'm not writing them off how you are based off
of those facts alone.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Right there? I rowed them off.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Last year, I told you they couldn't win a super Bowl.
You to tell me that they win a Super and.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
No one does. I told you they weren't good enough,
they couldn't win a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
So you old you, You told told you because only
one team would win the Super Bowl even we went
out on the limb, rod.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Could have been six.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So what I told you, robster domas you're the man,
they literally win maybe sixteen and maybe sixteen and one some.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Of this football since nineteen eighty. Here's what I'll do.
Here's what I'll do that.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I'll just say a team was gonna lose every week,
lose every week, and it acts like it doesn't matter.
And then when you come in, don't want to bring
it up that they lost until they they won, until
they lose.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
So let me learn from you. They're gonna lose.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
They're gonna lose it even though he win, they won,
they won, they won, they won, then they finally lose
in the.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Super I told you. You told me every week they
were gonna lose.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
All of it did just like half weeks, just like
I told you the Lions were and you told.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Me that for ten weeks.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I told Rob G they won the receipts that Rob
G told me every week you would have picked the Lions.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You go in there and you picked them every week
thinking they were going to win.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Some teams or fifteen and two don't look like broster
domas just like.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
What you call you had them beating the Washington didn't
win the super Bowl. God forbid you get to the
Super was supposed to be there. There was supposed God forbid.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I told you when I didn't tell you when it
was striking.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I told you when they were eleven or twelve and
o that they weren't winning. No Super Bowl ain't gonna is.
You kept telling me they're gonna lose. No, that's who.
I don't know what you want to listen to. That's impressive.
When they're gonna lose, they're gonna lose. They're gonna lose.
They're gonna lose, They're gonna lose. I'm probably gotta right. No,
they're not gonna win.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
The super's gonna tell me I told you that, and
I'm telling you again.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
You'll go back. You know the best about it. Fans
know that's that's what they're doing the best. No, you
got everything on YouTube. They all know I love them Microwaves.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
He sat here and told me Jim ain't gonna get fired.
He just took the Knicks to the best place they
ever been. What I would next day, I told you
I want to get fired. You told me that they overachieved.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
They achieved. No, they did not overachieved. Team got fired
their coach. Why you bring why why are you going
back to the Knicks? What I got to do anything? No,
I'm just trying to stop.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
I'm telling you stuff ahead of time, way ahead of time.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
So if you listen to.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
The program every single week, you tell me the Lions
lose a right, the Chiefs are gonna lose and Rogers
ain't gonna do this.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
You're gonna I told you. You told me this week
they're gonna lose.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
This'n I got that one wrong this week coming.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
To that's all I need play Baltimore that you just
said that I got this one wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I'm better now.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
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Speaker 1 (10:07):
All right, TJ who's was on a former Pro Bowl
Rob Receiver co host a why would you do this?
You know? Jeez was in Detroit last week and I
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Speaker 3 (10:17):
We got a themes that got music?
Speaker 7 (10:19):
Now?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
All right? Who's eighty four X? Who's I Love It?
What's up?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Man?
Speaker 7 (10:25):
To? What's going on? Shallas?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
We're going, good Man? Where you want to start? Roberts
so much we could we could jump into Chiefs. I
got the Chiefs. I'm not surprised TJ.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
I've been on this bandwagon for the last couple of years,
just the way that they've played, how lucky they've been.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Even last year, a lot of games went their way.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Now all of a sudden, they're owing to in games
that they usually win, you know, one score games, and
now owing to what's your forecast for the Chiefs.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
They've been lucky the last two years. You know what
they say were lucky is when preparation.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
J can you stop the kicker?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
The Raiders mishandled a snap that ain't preparation. The kicker
for the Chargers missed the easy field goal that ain't preparation.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
Luck favors Luck favors the guys that are prepared. Now, listen,
I picked the Chargers to win the division.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
This year, but the Chiefs not making the playoffs. That's
where I'm at.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
I don't know if I would go that far. But
they've been on a downward spiral offensively for the last
couple of years, and the defense has just picked them up.
And now that the defense cannot pick them up as
much as they need, it's even worse. Like they can't
they can't move the ball effectively. People are playing the Chiefs.
(11:48):
Like the way they play. The Chiefs defensively, you wouldn't
think they were not what Patrick mahomes as a quarterback,
but they won a division nine years in a row.
John Harball, John Jim Harball is a great coach in
his second year? What are you to do with the Niners?
So right now I have the Chargers and the Green
(12:08):
Bay Packers going to the Super Bowl. I said this
before the season started. Let's see if that holds truth.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Okay, yeah, I'm on. I believe they can still make
it ten and seven.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Got the Bucks and also got the Broncos in there.
I think the Chiefs can do that. I just think
that once they get their receivers back, as you know.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Maybe I will sign in a row and it'll be
great for NFL America.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
All right, let's go to a team. You know you're
familiar with the Bengals. We were just talking about them
before we got on with you. The bad news with
Joe Burrow could be out minimum three months, could be longer.
At some point, you wonder if they'll just pull the
plug on the whole season. Between his health, the defense
being just called the defense because it ain't no d
What do you make of this Bengals team right now
and is the next year next year because all the
(12:51):
money is on the offensive side. I worry that this
could be a situation where Joe Burrow got to the
super Bowl early and may never get to And I'll
tell you why, because of a team you picked.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
You picked justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You still got my homes, you got Lamar Jackson, you
got Josh Allen, you got CJ.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Shroud. That conference is crazy with quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
It's disappointing, man Like, it's our root for the Bengals.
And to start the season too. And oh when the
last few years we can't even get the first two
weeks of the season. We don't even know how to win.
Feels like right, so to be to one zero and
offense didn't play well Week one, Defense held us down.
(13:32):
Defense couldn't really get a stop against the Jags. If
Trevor Lawrence hut and throw the ball to us at
the end zone and Diamie Brown drops a touchdown that's
right in his hands, it's a different story. But Trey
Hendrickson made a play when it mattered at the end
of the game and sell that for us. But having
Joe pretty much. He's out for the season. Man, it's
(13:55):
a heartbreaker. This is Joe burrows sixth season, and this
is the third season he's pretty much gonna miss the
entirety of the season, more than half of the games.
You tear your knee. He had a risk injury and
now this, and so it's really nothing you can do.
Joe's one of the best quarterbacks in the league. But
at some point you gotta wonder can he stayed healthy consistently,
(14:19):
consistently enough to lead us where.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
We need to go, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
I want to ask you about Russell Wilson. Rex Ryan
said on ESPN that he was finished. He couldn't play anymore.
He only had like four hundred and fifty years. He
still throws the deep ball. What did you make of Russ?
Russ's performance? And despite all that, the Giants still couldn't
win the game. I mean, just just a bad That's
a bad loss to me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
He's scored a touchdown right for them, TJ with twenty
five seconds ago.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
You got to win that game, don't you.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Russell Wilson played a fantastic football game. He made a
bone head decision at the handpoint he to that pick,
but I felt like he was just throwing the ball
down the field, and he was like, hey, one of
these guys gonna make a play. For all the people
that say receivers don't matter the boy, they better go
watch that game and look at what Elak Neighbors was
on and the type of plays make it. But the
(15:12):
play that really bothered me was after they take the
lead in the fourth quarter and they played a soft
Tampa to defense and they let that completed to the
tight end and that put him in field goal range.
Because of Brandon Aubrey, anything within sixty is a field
goal range.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
But I don't know the TJ. You got to help
me out.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
This happens every week with no time like it happens
like ten seconds, fifteen twenty. It doesn't matter what it is,
you know what, I'm allowed teams to get in field goal range.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
That reminded me of when the Buffalo Bills that when
Tyreek Kill against the Kansas City he see without Tyreek Hill,
they don't play that way. And so but that's what
that reminded me of. It's like, you got game plan
and Dave was an old school coach man them jihants
coaches and they in office today. They getting out the
(16:07):
office at one am, y'all game planning all damn day.
Y'all in the office till eleven twelve, one o'clock in
the morning. And this is what y'all do in the game.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Thank you?
Speaker 7 (16:17):
What what is going on?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
All that is is you know what like a badge
of honor? Who he slept in the coaches room? We
did get, no, But that's what they brag. No, that's
what they brag about, is about how many hours day
we get two hours? You know, I'm sleeping in my
office and all that, and you still turning that stuff right?
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Hey, good, Hey, get in an argument with your wife
and she brings out up you sleeping in neither calls
you're making exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
That's what I would say as well. TJ.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
W Hoos was out of our guest, former Pro Bowl
wide receiver of course, co host of Up on Game
on Fox Sports Radio as well. I want to go
to this one. He and I were talking a little
further about it as well. But the Lions bounce back
in the critical You know, you don't want to start
a season one two, especially losing two in the Division.
They don't they win, they put up a fifty piece
what'd you make of that?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Performance?
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Man? The Lions, they was ready for Ben Johnson to
come on on back to Detroit. They were ready for that.
It's just really crazy that Caleb Williams like at the
start of the game. First two games he lights out,
like Ben Johnson and him can really script some plays
to start a game. And then they just completely crumbled.
(17:28):
I don't the Detroit Lions to me needed that, because
after Week one I was like, whoa they really meant?
Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn like what are they going
to do? And they answered the bell? Now I don't
know what. Like. Defensively last year, the Chicago Bears were
pretty good on defense last year. They're atrocious defensively this
(17:51):
year thus far. Fifty one point that's what I get.
And the Detroit Lions team had struggled mightily in Week
one and Dennis Allen's defense gives up fifty one points.
You're a man the man defensive coordinator. When Jamon Johnson
is hurt, he's not playing, you can't play your scheme.
You gotta do what your players do best, not with
(18:11):
what you want to do. And so I thought the
lines played well. Way to show up, I'm and raw
did this thing, Jamison Williams. Way before the draft, they
asked me to name a sleeper receiver. I said, I'm
not gonna name somebody I train. I'm gonna name Isaac
kess Law. And he out there ball and making one hand.
(18:32):
Nobody had never heard of him, and I shot at
he down. Look at him now.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah, but those catchers are with those sticky gloves.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
HEJJ, how many guys are wearing them? Glove?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I don't care. I don't care.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
TJ can Those are all fraudulent catches, you hear me.
I don't count any of them, DJ zero. They don't
do anything for me. They don't even OBJ.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
I know everybody's everybody's wearing them. Everybody make it case.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
There's sticky gloves.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
It's like eating sticky wings in Times Square.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I keep telling them, everybody doing it. Everybody is not
gonna let me. Do you know that you play football?
Speaker 5 (19:13):
They didn't let you use sticky gloves? Know he didn't.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
And TJ. You remember, go look at the Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
They went out and played with with high school kids
and they had them try to catch the football with
no gloves. They gave them no sticky gloves, and those
high school kids caught every single ball that went their way.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
TJ.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
You know what makes a difference, doesn't it when.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
You have gloves that have a little stickiness to them.
It makes a difference. Okay, But this is the thing, though,
We're not seeing one hand catches by everybody, and that's
makes that play. You gotta get that player, at least
I do. I'm giving him the credit because we're not
seeing that every week like the d hops. When he
does it, that's expected that that's what he does.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Made a career.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I'm not that I'm not that worked up and feel
that good about it time I see it.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
And teaching receivers, all you need to know is we
watched what was it, one weekend of college football, and
they had four of the greatest catchers we ever saw
in the same weekend.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
What does that tell you, gjy Rob.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
I came in, I came into the league, man Tim
browned it out, just tape on the fingers, man, and
then I went to playing Pittsburgh. It was got it
got real cold. I put them gloves on. I never
went back to the tape on the fingers.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I bet you didn't. Hey, last thing I want to
ask you about.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
The Ravens are averaging what forty and a half points
a game, and they like they could take the foot
off the gas whenever they want. What do you make
of their offense?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
And it looks like they don't They're not even trying
really hard.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
I don't I tried what I what I tell you
last week you was on John Harbaugh's head. I told you,
I said, Paul's rob they gonna be all right. And
you know, Grant Dell puit uh got him a little
excited talking about they just the Ravens and he gonna
do this and he gonna do that, and they put
him in his place. It's a big game coming up.
(21:07):
I believe they played the Detroit Lions this Sunday, and
the Baltimore Ravens and John Harball normally destroy the NFI
and so I'm eager to see. Now. Defensively, can they
shut a Detroit offense down that just went the work
that we just spoke about against the Chicago Bears. And offensively,
(21:31):
are they gonna be able to go up and down
the field? But Lamar Jackson, Man, you the best quarterback in.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
The league, no doubt, he the best.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
He can run him and Josh Allen. You take who
you want. You can't go wrong with either one. But Man,
lamar this dude. The last two seasons, Man, his development
as a passer. You gotta get that young man so
much credit because all he did was going to lab
work and get better and better and better and do this.
(22:01):
Dude is playing football the quarterback position, probably better than
we've ever seen a quarterback do it, at least in
my eyes, I know what throwing.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
We He just passed Aaron Rodgers for the best passer
rating for a quarterback in the history of the National
Football He just passed Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
And guess what, he's an all time leading rusher for
quarterbacks also, so when have we win a running quarterback
really can't throw the ball, That's what they say. He's
doing both at a high, high level.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
We gotta go. But yeah, appreciate you as always. He's
the best player in NFL the last two three years.
I've been saying and Rob has been saying it as well.
It is the odd couple. Thank you, TJ. Appreciate it. Man,
We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
All right, keep up the great work.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
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Speaker 4 (22:52):
Yeah, everything that could go wrong did go wrong for
Pittsburgh Home years against the Seattle Seahawks. Against Sam Darnold
in the Seahawks. First off, you have Caleb Johnson, rookie
running back. I guess doesn't know the new kickoff rules,
because he lets the ball go past him into the
end zone, which by the new rules of course of
atlanticween the goal line and the twenty that ball is
live no matter what happens. And it went into the
(23:13):
end zone, he'd' even attempts to try to recover it.
Seattle rushes down there to get it. They don't recover
it either, but since it goes out of the back
of the end zone, it becomes a touchdown. So seven
points there. Aaron Rodgers throws two interceptions, including one of
them in the end zone, which after the game he
ended up blaming his receiver. For now, I'm sure he
was right, because even the receivers that he was right
it just wasn't a great look for him to do
(23:34):
that after the game. And the last, but not least,
probably the most egregious thing the Steelers defense. That vaunted
Steelers defense with TJ. Watt and Jalen Ramsey and big
play Darius Slay is currently giving up thirty one and
a half points per game through the first two weeks
and just about four hundred yards per game. Were it
not for a sixty yard Chris Boswell field goal in
Week one, we could be talking about the zero to
(23:56):
two Pittsburgh Steelers. So, guys, here's the question. What's the
big problem right now in Pittsburgh For me?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Is what I thought it would be coming into when
I talked about this last season during the off season.
They're not good defensively, everybody thinks they are. They're not
as good as you think. They don't have a running
back and running game. They got rid of Najie here,
so they got rid of back, so they don't have
a running game. And you're gonna need Aaron Rodgers, who
is not built right now at this point in his life,
to bring you back. You're gonna have to have some
games where you're up, have some game where you're controlling
(24:24):
the clock and have some games where the defense can
do some things. And I don't think they're built that
way right now, So they're gonna put him in some
non advantageous situations. So I don't like the way they're constructed.
I thought my whole point was they need to be
building for the future, and they're gonna be putting Aaron
Rodgers in some positions where he's gonna have to make
plays that he's not able to. And remember we had
(24:45):
that was it an anonymous person or executly was talking
about anonymous coach who was saying, how you know, he
was watching Week one and there's some throws that Aaron
Rodgers made off his back foot. He was doing things
that should have been interceptions and that you can't get
away with. And even I was like, all right, that's
a little extra right now, you put a little extra
sauce on that. As we got a block punt and
the Texans recovered from the block punt of the Buccaneers.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
We'll get to that just a second.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
There were some throws that Aaron Rodgers made that I
was like, oh, there's one in fact by the guy
who ended up getting the interception ultimately one you were
reference Againzo. He threw it right, I mean right at him,
about ten yards away, directly out him.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I can't believe he didn't catch that.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
So it's interesting hearing that, me saying all right, come on,
you put a little extra sauce on that. Then the
next week, which was yesterday, watching that. So I just
don't like the way they're constructed. Again, I don't think
they're that great defensively. You let the Jets put a
four hundred yards of offense on you, thirty two points
the Jets. Then you turn around and let Sam Donald
and his new team do the same as well. So
I have a lot of concerns if I'm the Steelers
(25:46):
based off of things I said well before this season.
I don't think they run the ball, but I don't
have a single type of running game. This is not
the two thousand, three, four, five, six, seven eight Steelers
you picture in your head with big Ben, Jerome bettis fast,
Willie Parker. This isn't that. And the defense is not
again in all Pittsburgh Steelers in your head.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Defense, Yeah, it's a defensive problem that they got to
get sorted out. You can't give up four hundred yards
and thirty one or two points a game and expect
to win.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
You just can't do it. And then you're adding the
mixing the turnovers. You're not going to have nobody's perfect,
No one's going to be able to have zero, you know,
interceptions and what It's just that's not football, that's not
how it plays. We saw Jared Golf in the postseason
when it you know, when it Matt at most and
all year he didn't turn the ball over like that,
(26:34):
and what happened he had four turnovers. Turnovers are a
part of the game, but you also have to be
able to stop the other team and make the offense
not predictable, and that's what they've been so far. But
there is no future, there is no you're not playing
for the future. You haven't won a playoff game in
(26:54):
almost ten years. That whole idea of building for the
future is now. It's just not where it's really ask you,
I don't because I don't. I don't think that that's
where you are.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I just when you're saying you specifically, the Steelers are
your team, any team.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
See, that's why I don't agree. I don't. I don't
agree any team. I don't think that.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
That's not the way you go in thinking that, Oh, yeah,
we're gonna we'll build for the next five You the
Minnesota Viking. You got a young quarter you're thinking. No,
I got one of the best receivers in the game.
I got guys who can run the ball. I got
a good defense. No, I'm gonna add him in hopefully
doesn't turn the ball over too much and we can.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
That's the exact team I was gonna say.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
You have Sam Donald, who you figure is gonna be
at least even fourteen to three. You go twelve and something,
and you got a chance to JJ is our guy,
that's our future.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
No, that's not it.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
They don't believe in Sam Donald because in the two
biggest games of the year he went the bed and
they don't want to pay a guy like.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
That because they have their guy. They have the guy
up to get him at twinth.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
It was because it was more because they didn't believe
in Sam Darnal. That's so if they really believed in
Sam Donald, they could have pushed JJ another year or so.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
They want to go get It's about That's why they
didn't even think about Aaron Rodgers because they said we
have our guy and JJ. That's the exactly you couldn't
have run up a better example. We have our guy
and Sam Donald's played well nobody, but you know what
we're willing to move.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
We jumped.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
You're talking about about down the road to build for
the future. That's not what people are trying to compete now.
You don't have three years. You know what I don't
have bring up to you, don't you, Matt Flynn. We
gotta guy. Russell Wilson is our guy. We got our
young guy in the future and that guy and that guy.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
My point is you have to start to have to
do you can have to stay succesful. But that's what's
the point of being nine and eight, ten and seven
for one random season they had a playoff game in
almost a decade. They're trying to this team, that's what
they're trying to do, and.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Do that.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I oh Russell, could.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I oh Russell Wilson in the pology because I said,
Aaron Rodgers is gonna look like Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
No, he ain't. Aaron Rodgers ain't throwing no four hundred
and fifty yards and you're tested out like here, I'm
gonna game.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I'm game.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Luissell Wilson won so far with the four hundreds. He
ain't doing that guy. I thought so Russell Wilson was
bad on that bro. I thought I told Aaron Rodgers
he could be like you, I take that back. That's
on your boy. I take I own that one.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Just the air is now, you wouldn't be a general
manager long talking about some futures.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I would know you would because I absolutely with a win. Now,
like a fan of a team that never won. You
like I'm saying, a fan of a.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Team that's never won anything. So you think, no, oh yeah,
we got five years. It ain't no five years, you're
not going to be around. And the NFL stands for NFL,
not for long. And so this whole idea, you put
the best team available. Now, I might not work out,
you might not win. It ain't but you can't do that.
You ain't talking about no next year down the road
(29:54):
or let me get.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
No, you can't.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
If there was somebody who had an opportun tunity to
build for years, it would be Mike Tomlin, so meaning
two three years, he's we're gonna find our guy. We're
gonna start. He's the guy who can because he's with
an organization. Doesn't fire him. They haven't want a playoff
game in nine years. What he needs to win, that's
what he needs to win now, the one he needs
(30:19):
to win.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Now, that's what it was. Quarterback.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Come on, man, the Steelers win now they need to
win a playoff and they went inside way they need
and they went inside.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Maybe Russell Wilson light that's your answer.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yes, well, then good luck Steelers because you'll be exactly
where you were last year. Have you'll win, You'll win
three or four you're gonna lose three or four. Our
I'm saying, went to the playoffs. Start, they want to
win a playoff.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
And they win a horrible stretch to the playoffs. Did
they win did they go to the playoffs that? Did
they go to the playoffs last year? Wait? You just
said it's about winning. No, I'm asking you. Did they
go yes? They went?
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Okay, did Gorbles win a playoff game? That's the game,
that's not did they make the playoffs game?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Wait, so that's what they do. So what's the issue. Okay,
the idea is trying to win a playoff game? Idea
a trying to five years later. That's not hoping to win.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Nobody ain't nobody, So we can have a five six years.
You know what. Baker Mayfield in the Bucks, they're trying
to win now.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
C J.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Stroud in the Texas, they're trying to win the time
right now.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
And you know what team that's the team that's got
a five year playing with a young quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Every team that has a young quarterback.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
No, that's not.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
You don't think it's not. You don't think the command
that's not. They're trying to win. You don't think justin herner.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
You got to win. You find your guy. They're trying
to win.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
You don't think Buffalo Bills were excited they found a guy.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
No, you don't. Aaron Rodgers trying to win. They're trying
to win. That's a terrible attempt to win, is all
I'm saying, Rob, Why don't you disagree with them them?
That's fine.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
But the idea in the NFL is to try to win.
Give yourself the best chance every year. Idea it's the best.
And I opening my own as by finding my quarterback.
It's what the it's with the forty nine ers, it's
fifteen teams that need a quarterback? What's finding your quarterback?
Proving this fourteen team? So what does that mean? You're
proving my point?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
There's the old guys playing. You know why there's no playing,
there's no quarterbacks out. You know what you're doing? You
furthering my point. No, I'm not why I go to
find my guys. You that's why you want to find
I'm not making your quarterly are I know why I
go to Justin Field? That's the quarterback? How do you
look this week? You go? How did Justin Field look
(32:33):
this week? I'm asking you. I don't talk about No,
I'm asking you how did he look? I'm talking about
was the quarterback you wanted them to stay with? And you?
Speaker 5 (32:42):
How did he look this week with the jetson week took?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
That's all? You can't find your guy, Mardan Aaron Rodgers
ain't seven.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Let's go his last call time. Listen, you go find her.
You just mentioned the fifteen teams. It's the same fifteen
teams who found their guy. Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert Patrick, No,
you missed the point. Jared Goff, Dayton Daniels missed the
bow Nicks. Shall I go down the list. The Rams
have their guy with Jared Golf or not.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
No he was They want the guy. They went to
the Super Bowl. He wasn't there. They got a chance
to go Matthew the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
What is s Matthew Statthews Stafford was zero and three
in the postseason, but they got him.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Person, That's not why they got him.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
That's not why that Stafford was not a better quarter
He wasn't a better quarterback.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
And the problem was they didn't believe in Jared Golf.
That's why Fox Sports Rader now Matthew Stafford. At that
time he was terrible. Ox Sports Rader.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
I watched every single game of his He was terrible,
still terrible.
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