September 22, 2025 • 27 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us if tonight’s game between the Baltimore Ravens and the Detroit Lions is a must-win for either team, argue whether Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles need to revert back to a more balanced offensive attack if they are going to repeat as Super Bowl champions, and debate whether Jim Harbaugh has shown himself to be an elite NFL head coach through the first three games of this season.
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Jalen Hurts and the Eagles offense had one net passing
yard in the first half. You know how hard it
is to have one net passing yard in today's NFL.
It about that exactly. But in the second half alone,
Jalen Hurts just on passes ten plus are yards down
the field seven of nine for one fifty four to
(00:50):
two touchdowns over the course of the game. Again, after
having one net passing yard in the first half, he
finished the two twenty six through the air, forty rushing yards,
three passing touchdowns, puting the game winner, and one rushing touchdown. Guys,
Jalen Hurts has now won seventeen straight games as a starter.
In those seventeen games, is Lamar Jackson level forty three touchdowns.
(01:15):
List of these numbers, five turnovers, one super Bowl, ring one,
super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I don't know what else he has to do to
make people feel better about him. We talk about it
all the time. Big Game, he came up big in
the second half, right when they needed him. Okay, sakwon
Barkley last year they stopped him from running in the
super Bowl. No problem, I'll get your super Bowl. The
Super Bowl that he lost, he played better than Patrick
Mahomes in other than the fumble that turned the game around.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Listen, the man has been balling when need to prime
time and I'm.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Just saying, Okay, it doesn't have to look like everybody's
winning formula doesn't look the same.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Did We talk about it all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Justin Herbert looks like a fin quarterback, doesn't he big?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
He just does. If you would build him in the lab,
that's what you would build. It just did. But Jalen hurts.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
You don't win seventeen games in a row, including postseason
Super Bowl MVP, where everybody in their uncle the week
of the Super Bowl, what they all say, came on,
here's how you beat the Eagle. Stop Saquin and then
Jayla's gonna have to throw the ball and guess what.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Guess what is that?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
He won.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And change the script on everybody this year the first
two games, Yeah the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Won, but look at Jalen Hurts. He don't have a
passing touchdown. Wasn't that?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
It wasn't that the conversation and this wasn't like it
was a block party, and well it literally was with
the kids.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It was a black bar. I say, what do you
mean by tumbo God blessed point? Like he wasn't just
piling on because they were front running and know they
were down big. They needed him.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
They needed him to throw the football in order for
them to win and get come back. That's what was impressive.
The rams, Me and Sean King had a big blow
up on Friday.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
He aint takes me back? Where was he?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I almost wanted to get on the plane, get a
forty dollars flight to Las Vegas on Spirit and show
up to his house.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I told about it, I said, he yeah, we were
talking about this. I said, By the way, Rob got
as Sean about he said what I said, calling them
Matthew Stafford, the best quarterback in the league, were crazy.
You bother me at the microwave. I was trying to
heat up my food. You still bring up I'm like,
what all.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I'm saying is and that game, which was a big
game when you say that that was right here, that
was one of those games maybe better because both teams
are undefeated, but the idea that the Rams had this
big lead on the road and they and they wind
up giving it up. So I don't know, Jalen hurts,
Jayalen hurts. I just I don't know what's not to like.
(04:15):
Here's a guy I just don't like. You can tell
me whatever. I don't know what's not to like about
him or for me to feel uh magenta about him,
or you know, like that's a little off color right magenta?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Like you know what I mean? Like a little gray
Stephen A Smith's suit, No, that's hot pink. Okay, I
thought you were talking about my man with the franken
what's the the You got the cocoa, the cereal, the
Franken move with the Frankenstein one Franken Berry whatever, Yeah,
the other one. Remember frank Franken. You got the Franken
Berry joint. Steven A. Smith, Yeah, he was like give
(04:50):
me that. They were like, yeah, wear this when he
was like, nah, louder, why you all on? Stephen A.
That's my boy right there. He looks he's the hardest
working guy. I don't be What.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Is Ryan Clark wearing tonight?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Oh god, you know what I mean? You know what
I mean? Rob g you know what mean? Time this
man and brought it up the last hour. Oh god,
what what is it? What are they where? Oh? Look
look Pat and me turns my mic off so he
can No, No, you're missing runking off my mic, turning
my Michael. Look at what are they?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Oh god, that's still better than Rob Oh TV too, Bob.
Ryan looks like right now, Oh god, he's about ninety
seven years old. What is he doing on TV right now?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Dub dub? Turn your mic off? What what he looks like?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Tells from the crit you guys are I'm not gonna
say anything off care off mic to you guys.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
No, they just drop time like anything I've said. They
know I was gonna ride back. You trying to sit
up here and act like, Oh stephen A. Smith, I
love that coachor and I'm trying to do that now
to the point that Jayalen hurts. Jalen Hurts is hurting them.
And what I mean is he is hurting the people
who wanted to look a certain way. He's hurting the
people who this is how my quarterbacking is supposed to go,
(06:08):
supposed to look. I start digging in some numbers. Do
you want him to pass less than thirty times? Which
is what he typically does? Runs the ball a lot.
They run it too. He is twenty five and eight.
When he's under thirty passes, you know what he is
when he still throws thirty plus twenty two and nine.
So it's not like he can't. It's not like he's
(06:30):
nine and twenty two.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
And last night was a perfect Yesterday was like the
idea that he can't.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
They needed to come back, they needed passing. Now, yeah,
let me add to this now, rob G, I don't
know if we had do we have Aj Brown at all?
Look that up for me, just for those who didn't
get a chance to hear it for context. If we don't,
don't worry about to tell you what he said. But
AJ Brown, who is a freaking specimen of a human,
sometimes loves to read books on the sideline, which is
(06:56):
un Sometimes, which.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Is just I've never seen him covering the NFL Sins
nineteen eighty seven, that the guy would be reading.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Sometimes yeah, he's channeling his inner gy and then other
times he's getting into it a little bit like hey, hey, hey, hey,
I'm not one hundred million dollar man for no reason.
And he kind of had something to say about that
this game this post game as well. But I think
he was tapping onto something. When I look at this
this Eagles team, and I specifically look at Jalen Hurts.
(07:24):
Sometimes I think Jalen Hurts is rolling around in a
really really nice Toyota camera. It's reliable, gets you the
point A, point B, doesn't fail on you, it doesn't
break down on you. This is a really solid car.
It is a very economically friendly and wise purchase. But
every now and again what aj Brown said has to
happen me personally. I truth aglieve man.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
We got so many good.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Players on his team, you know, and and.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
At times, you know, you can feel like we're being conservative,
and I.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Don't think it. I don't think it should be like that,
you know, I think it should be you know, let
your let your killers do do they thing. You know.
Man can play fast and can play aggressive, and I'm
saying that we haven't been for you know me personally,
that's what I would like.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
You know, obviously, we're.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Gonna run the ball and we're gonna shut up the run,
off the pass and to pass off the run. But
you know we have a lot of good players Ansler
and we had, and you should just gotta go, you know,
unlock the cheat code, is what he's saying. Do you
see me? He's saying, do you see me? You pay
me a hundred million dollars. And every now and again,
I think Jayalen Hurts goes, oh yeah, not only am
I effective? I can run, We got say kwan, we
(08:29):
got some good pass okay, and make some wise decisions
every now and again, I gotta just give aj Brown
a Davante's with the ball, just because whether it be
a five yard out, whether it be a ten yard pass,
give them the ball and let them do what they do,
and specifically Aj Brown, because my gosh, was he embarrassing
those rams defensive backs, throwing them around, smacking them around,
trucking them and speaking of trucks. Every now and then,
(08:51):
Jalen Hurts, who has been so efficient, has had so
much success in this league, I want him to go,
you know what, sener this Toyota camera. I got this
big super charge up f one fifty. Then I'm gonna
use that utility truck that can do it all. Catch passes,
run people of a run with yacht, get the yat
after the catch all of that, and I think he's like, oh, shoot,
(09:12):
I got some studs on the outside too, and that's
what makes them scary.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
And a last point seventeen and oh and you're talking
about window dressing and doing it differently and just.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
None of it's not doing it. It's not doing anything. Definitely,
I think he's saying, we have nothing the idea, the
idea winning. Absolutely, it's about winning.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I just don't understand now if you're struggling, okay, But
if you're struggling, then you could say, well, because we're
way too conservative and we do have people that we
could open it up and do this or do that.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Oh they did blow out the Chiefs in the Super Bowl,
did they not? But that's where I lead to this.
This season, they barely beat the Rams, no, right, and
they barely beat the Chiefs, and they barely beat the Cowboys.
And I think all he's saying is everybody's kiding Inukwan
has not had a good season thus far because they're
saying we gotta stop it. And I just think he's
all I get it. What he's saying is, don't forget
(10:00):
we got some horses and some weapons out here on
the outside.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
As soon as as soon as they lose, and then
I'll listen to that conversation.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
But they're not gonna look. I just told you they're
pretty much. There's twenty five and eight when he's less
than thirty passes attempted, twenty two to nine wins, So
they've been a They've been very very good either way.
And that's what makes them scary to me is what
they're capable of doing when they let loose. We've seen
it in playoffs, we've seen it in Super Bowls. That's
what makes them even more skill.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I'm for the w I tell you, sports has a
short menu wins and losses. So you have other people
airing it out, doing this other stuff and they don't win,
but it looks good. I just don't understand anything like
and all players want the ball, all players want to
have their moment in the sun, But man, how about
winning like things? It's hard to complain. We always talk
(10:47):
about that winning is the cure, all like, what is there?
What is the conversation about? What if you come in
and you get throttled in your offense and there's points
left on the field and you feel like, well, we
could have done this, So that was open.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I'm all open for that conversation.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Because you only scored nine points in the first half
against a bad Giants team, that may that maybe I
could buy into that. But to do what they did
off of that and come back in a second.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
AJ Brown is saying, we don't have to rely on
block two block field goals in the fourth football. We
don't have to rely on that. I'm not mad for it.
One of the best receivers who thinks he's probably a
top one two receiver in the league saying, throw me
the ball. Sometimes I'm not mad at that, Like that's
okay to me when he's that good, that great and
(11:34):
obviously and they saying been struggling this season thus far,
about three and oh, it's about win. He hit your boy.
It's about win. Hit your boy. Man. He had people
bouncing off that was ridiculous. That first that one catch
he had he busted up for about thirty forty yards.
That man. That was embarrassing for thefts.
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Speaker 2 (13:08):
Fun Monday night football game on should be should be
a good one to teams that are both explosive and
rob I was thinking about this kind of going into
this one specifically for the Lions and this looking at
them because one of the things we've talked about the
scheduling man looking at the scheduling for the Lions. This
is a must win for the Lions. You don't I'm
(13:28):
not saying you lose, You're never gonna do anything else,
but this is a game they have to win. When
you look at their the rest of their schedule for
the next five or six weeks, this is a game
they gotta win because if they can. You look at
the games you go this one, you can. Let's say
you assume you win this one, then you got the Browns,
which is winnable, gonna be tough. Obviously we saw what
they just did to the Packers, and then the Bengals,
(13:49):
which again you know they've been they've been able to win,
but you feel like I can win those. Then you
got the Chiefs. Then you go on this tough run Chiefs, Bucks, Vikings,
which we'll see, and then the Maners and then the Eagles.
So you got a tough, tough run and if you
can win this one against a very very good team,
the team that this is actually my Super Bowl prediction,
but the team that you you know that all of
(14:11):
us have last three years, No, none of us is
the Chiefs. Last year Lions Chiefs. I was on my
way to the Commander's till Jared Goff turning to Jared,
what tennis? So this I'm looking at this game, man,
This is a huge win for the Lions. If you
can get this done, go to two and one and
again you got two games of winnable games with the
Browns and the Bengals, then you can go to four
and one. That way, you get yourself a buffer cushion.
(14:32):
Four likes of the Chiefs, four lives of the Bucks,
four likes of the the Eagles and the Commanders. So
I'm looking at this game like you have to view
this as a must win so that you can get
yourself some room any NFC, specifically in your division as well,
because this just stretch you. We've talked about it all,
you know, the last few weeks. The Lions schedule is
(14:53):
very very difficult this year. I mean, shoot, looking at
the rest of you still got the Packers another time
as well, and then the ra as well, just other
teams that you know to add on to the list.
So I'm looking at this game, rob if you're the Lions,
you gotta win. Jared Goff is eleven and one in
primetime games his last twelve. He's seven and two in
(15:14):
Monday night football games, which is huge as is by
the way, Lamar Jackson the guy he's going up against, So
something's gonna give. But I'm looking at this as that,
Am I crazy?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
You're crazy, and no sense. Must win on the road
against Baltimore. This is not a must win game. You
you are talking about next week against Cleveland, Yeah, that's
a must win because after you take the l against Baltimore,
you need you don't want to lose to Cleveland and
then be one and three, that's a must win.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Or the Bengals without.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Burrow, Joe Burrow, Like that's a must win, you know,
Like those are the teams they got to make sure
that they try to win, because if you say this
is a must winning, they lose tonight to Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Now what what would be your point that you would
be You'd be putting yourself way behind the ball the whole.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Not losing to Baltimore on the road, like this is
a game when you look at the schedule. I'm sorry,
I don't care what team you probably said, this will
be an l right here, like this is a tough
I mean, they're one and one, but they score forty
points in each of their game pretty.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Easily, right, I'm just I don't look at it that way.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I don't see this as they have to win the
night in order to survive or to be able to
continue to do whatever they're doing. I just think that
that's a real tough call. Especially you didn't even mention
what Lamar is against NFC teams.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
What game ever right against NFC? T think it's like
four and two or something. It's a ridiculous I got
to get that exact one because that is one of
the greatest stats of all time.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I mean, it's just ridiculous. So I don't look at
tonight like that. I expect the Lions to lose. I
expect Baltimore to win. And then for me, it's can
the Lions pick themselves up right and then play the other.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
The other one? Four and two is ridiculous, that's look
and then we know it's funny and the opposite end
of that, Jared god and then what ten and one?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
He's also ten and one in home primetime games, I
mean Baltimore. Yeah, he's thirty total touchdowns in those games.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Was also weird. He I'm just saying, this is not
a must win.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
They win, it would be an incredible win for the
line season, but I must win.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Jared Goff is seven and one against the AFC in
his last eight. So we got two guys twenty four
and two. Well, I'm saying, two guys who have been
great versus the opposite conference, two guys who have been
great in prime time both seven and two on Monday night,
so we should be in for a good one. But
I know, listen, that's why I said if they lose,
(17:40):
it's not as if they're out of this thing. But
that would just give them such a huge edge, a
huge runway to go against this one, and then you
can if you can win those next two, because like
I said, if you ask him for a lot and
you go for But you gotta be good teams anyway, No, like,
why can't you? Why can't you be a good team?
That's not what we're talking about. But to say that
they have to.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Win, you ain't get that they better win in Baltimore. Okay,
you're hoping that they win, but to say that.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
You better go out there and show Baltimore is what
it is. We can get a big ross. They get
a forty point Burger put on them there and they
lose forty to forty. That's a good good win Detroit. No,
they lose forty two to nine. That's the score, Lions.
They absolutely not only scoring nine. The Ravens defense is
not Ray Lewis. Ain't walking through that door. You don't
need to have. Their defense ain't walking through that door.
(18:26):
You got to go. It's not about to be Jaredy.
He might throw one. I ain't gonna say he can
go throw nothing.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
The last time that game that I seen throwing out
he gotta win. In one of those games against an
AFC team on a national game, he threw five interceptions
in that game.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I think you forget that against the Texans won next
he won the same sins. I don't know what the
Texans do. My gosh. No, they're supposed to go to
the super Bowl. That's what everybody told us. You ain't
gonna let them. No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Because it was after one season, you know what I mean,
And everybody crowned every and I'm not. I don't have
anything against them, Rob g I don't care if he's
a black quarterback.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Everybody crowded. Didn't bring it up c J.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Stroud though, didn't they They annoyed to them here that he's.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
A black quarterback. But it also doesn't hurt the fact
that quarterback.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Everybody been taking shot to CJ. Ever since that moment.
He wapped up Kayler Williams and was like, Yo, man,
hey man, you know you're gonna be all right. Hey,
don't let it, you know, just get better from him.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
You missed it because you were off that day.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
The day that you left early.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
We found out Carrie Roads also does not like black quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Because he went to Louisville. But both of him and
Rob together, Oh my god, it was like a hate
crime in here.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Who did he like? None of none of them.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
You don't like Jaalen Hurts, Patrick Holmes was bad, just
like Rob's. Stroud was struggling.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Hey, hey, y'all got about three to five more years
not liking black quarterbacks because the Dagos whole league is
about to be black quarterback. Have you seen college football lately?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
That's gotta be racist. College football's always have black quarterbacks.
They just don't get to the LEA. They couldn't get
in the league back in the day Charlie Ward won
the Heisman.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
They had to go to the NBA. Ain't then a
you want to and they said, cool, you want to
go play for the Nay then black quarterbacks all over.
But I'm saying now, Game one was sixteen starters, the
most ever five years or so. You're gonna lose your mind.
That will match up with your retirement though, No, no, no,
I'll just talk five more years. I'll just start following
the CFL. That's all I have.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
You know, four in the top six passerways, the NFL
Black quarterbacks Lamar Jackson, Jordan Love, Caleb Williams, and my
guy Danny Dives.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Carry just fell down the stairs right now. Carry.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
You didn't even hear the Danny Dives. Hey man, we're
claiming for a second.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
No wait mate, what how is uh?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Who do we just? You just tell me the three names?
How did Love get in there after that performance? Just
so he's still in there?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Well? Yeah, the first two games like twelve passes and
got touchdowns on like eight of them.
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Speaker 2 (20:57):
Also, we talked about comebacks and just games that would
just yesterday one of them too. Was the Chargers able
to come back as well? The Chargers? Man, we were
discuss discussing get the Broncos, who obviously a lot of
people a high on the Broncos. A lot of people
had them maybe winning the division as well. Obviously some
people are the Chargers, a couple people, you know, the Chiefs,
so tough division, one of the best in football. But
(21:18):
a comeback for sure? What a pick up them getting
Keenan Allen was again just a guy, a blanket, somebody
that you're used to throwing to if you're justin Herbert.
That was a great pickup for them. It just wasn't
working out with the Bears and able to come back
for them, and he's been just with the doctor ordered
for them as they lost Mike Williams, who just decided
to retire after Blue. But we were talking about it
(21:40):
a little bit earlier. We had TJ. Housman's out on
Go check out the podcast if you missed it in Man,
I was just thinking about just the way in which
Jim Harball is able to come into this team who
has had success as far as winning. They've won games
in the regular season, but they just haven't been able
to close games. They've lost over ganga games, very close,
last minute, last se blad, play calling, bad, bad use
(22:02):
of timeouts over the last two or three years. And
now it seems to have that stability that he typically
brings to an organization. You go all the way back
to Stanford, you go to the forty nine ers, you
go to Michigan. Now you're seeing what he did last
season with the Chargers, now you're seeing this season and
we're starting to get some of the best football that
I've seen out of Justin Herbert. He's starting to be
(22:22):
that as we're watching, he got Friday night lights above
us here. He's starting to be that prototypical if I
was designing a QB in a lab would be. He
has six touchdowns, one interceptions right now, one hundred and
five QBR, his completion percentage almost sixty seven percent. He's
had comebacks, He's just looked great thus far. And there's
a stability that Jim Harball has had, and he's actually
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unlocked him. He's not just doing the are we gonna
run it forty five times and you just make a
couple of passes. He actually is running the offense, and
it kind of reminds me of they're different types of player.
But what he did with Colin Kaepernick where he said,
I'm gonna unleash you, acid run it, be an RPO,
you know, just use you as an absolute weapon. And
(23:06):
that's how he's starting to use Justin Herbert, not just
run the ball, not just to li on their defense.
And he has gotten him to a level that we
thought he could be at and even last season only
having with three interceptions. So he is taking this team
to the next level. And there's something when you look
at your coach and you absolutely believe what he's saying,
You absolutely believe in the next play, you absolutely believe
(23:27):
that we can come back and win this. And they
didn't have that with their last coach. They absolutely had
no one, They had no assurance. They looked at him,
there was no We all knew it was gonna make
the wrong decision when it comes to play calling, wrong
decision when it comes to clock management, wrong decision, when
to go for it, when not to go for it.
And now to be able, I think they can look
over their shoulder and have Jim Harbaugh and they absolutely
believe it. And that's just that extra five ten percent
(23:50):
that you get from a team that makes you from
a good to a great, that makes you from barely
making the playoffs to having a legitimate chance to compete
for a Super Bowl. And Jim Harball has continuously brought
everywhere he's gone, and it looks like so far he's
been able to bring that a season in three games
into his tenure with the Chargers. Did you see the
playoff game last year? I did.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Okay, I'm just the Jim Harball is the greatest coach.
Thing I just can't get with. Jim Harball finally won
a championship thanks to cheating with Michigan. That's when we
finally he finally broke through. He's had good teams, don't
get me wrong, but he's never won anything until the
cheating scandal, and he ran out of town and ann
(24:32):
Aubor after he knew that was coming down as well.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
After he finally was able to beat he.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Couldn't beat Ohio State for a long time, and then
all of a sudden he was able to beat Ohio
State miraculously. All of a sudden, he had all the
answers to what had happened. Jim Harball was so bad
with Michigan, so bad. People don't remember this that he
had a pay had to take a pay cut. You
remember that, Like they should have fired him, but they
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didn't him. They made him take a pay cut. That
was their kind of like way of getting at him.
And then number two, nobody would even remember. The Lions
wouldn't interview him. He couldn't get a job. Remember he's
trying to get back in the NFL. After what had
happened at Michigan and nobody wanted him, so that happened.
He's turned programs around. I'm just not ready to crown
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him because I believe in all honesty that a lot
of the issues that we talk about have to do
with they had bad coaching before. Brandon Steel is probably
one of the worst NFL coaches, and that he was
playing Madden and going forward in his own end like
no matter what. It was like the most ridiculous thing.
(25:45):
And he probably should have been fired a lot sooner
than he was. And uh, he was able to survive
because of that. Remember that he should have been fired
after that playoff game. Remember that they lost to Jacksonville,
which was ridiculous. So my point is, yes, the Chargers
are playing better, They're off to a great start, but
I'm not ready to crown Jim Harball yet. I think
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there's a lot of work to go. He had a
great team in San Francisco, they couldn't win. They didn't win,
and then after a while, you know, like Jim Harbor,
after a while.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Oh not to move on. He's nomadic. He ain't gonna
be somewhere long. He everything. He's like you know, always
give you that example of again, the things that make
him great are the things that eventually will wear it down.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
There.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
You see, he's not gonna have it. Andy Reid with
Kansas City, Mike Tomley with the Steelers, I'm gonna be there,
John Harbor, his brother with the with the Ravens, I'm
gonna be here for a long long time. He's here
for a good time, not a long time. He's only
gonna be there three four five years max. Now he
has justin Herbert, so that obviously makes it more enticing.
But I can't discredit somebody who has gone everywhere and
(26:46):
had a bunch of them. I'm not discrediting him. I'm
just not crowning him. And that's fair. That's fair. But
I'm saying to me, the.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
One championship that he won is tainted. So I'm not
gonna crown him that he's the greatest coach. Oh my god,
Jim Halball has turned every prog around. But that's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
He actually goes places and gets the best out of
those guys. And specifically when you talk about what he
was able to do with Andrew Luck early on, then
with Colin Kaepernick, nobody had any expectations of We see
the best version of him. J J. McCarthy. He got
him all the way to a tenth pick and even
I was blown away by that. And now we're seeing
the best of Justin Herbert. So here is something to
what he brings, and now they're reaping the benefit of it.
(27:23):
And again we'll see it's early, it's only three weeks.
They we'll see what the season holds. But I like
how he is able to come in reinvigorate, you know,
revitalize a team, a franchise, an organization, or a school
and get the best out of them, and get the
best out of the quarterback. Because Justin Herbert currently will
be the probably MVP runaway as of three weeks in.
He looks that good. Right now, this team is sitting
(27:44):
at three and zero, especially a comeback win. They don't
win that game last year or two years ago. I'm sorry,
because hardbo. They don't win that game two years ago.
They find a way to lose. They to dog, we
just will come back. We'll get him back next week.
They don't find a way to win that game two
years ago, and they do it because he's there.
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Speaker 4 (00:28):
Jalen Hurts and the Eagles offense had one net passing
yard in the first half. You know how hard it
is to have one net passing yard in today's NFL.
It about that exactly. But in the second half alone,
Jalen Hurts just on passes ten plus are yards down
the field seven of nine for one fifty four to
(00:50):
two touchdowns over the course of the game. Again, after
having one net passing yard in the first half, he
finished the two twenty six through the air, forty rushing yards,
three passing touchdowns, puting the game winner, and one rushing touchdown. Guys,
Jalen Hurts has now won seventeen straight games as a starter.
In those seventeen games, is Lamar Jackson level forty three touchdowns.
(01:15):
List of these numbers, five turnovers, one super Bowl, ring one,
super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I don't know what else he has to do to
make people feel better about him. We talk about it
all the time. Big Game, he came up big in
the second half, right when they needed him. Okay, sakwon
Barkley last year they stopped him from running in the
super Bowl. No problem, I'll get your super Bowl. The
Super Bowl that he lost, he played better than Patrick
Mahomes in other than the fumble that turned the game around.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Listen, the man has been balling when need to prime
time and I'm.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Just saying, Okay, it doesn't have to look like everybody's
winning formula doesn't look the same.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Did We talk about it all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Justin Herbert looks like a fin quarterback, doesn't he big?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
He just does. If you would build him in the lab,
that's what you would build. It just did. But Jalen hurts.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
You don't win seventeen games in a row, including postseason
Super Bowl MVP, where everybody in their uncle the week
of the Super Bowl, what they all say, came on,
here's how you beat the Eagle. Stop Saquin and then
Jayla's gonna have to throw the ball and guess what.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Guess what is that?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
He won.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And change the script on everybody this year the first
two games, Yeah the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Won, but look at Jalen Hurts. He don't have a
passing touchdown. Wasn't that?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
It wasn't that the conversation and this wasn't like it
was a block party, and well it literally was with
the kids.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It was a black bar. I say, what do you
mean by tumbo God blessed point? Like he wasn't just
piling on because they were front running and know they
were down big. They needed him.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
They needed him to throw the football in order for
them to win and get come back. That's what was impressive.
The rams, Me and Sean King had a big blow
up on Friday.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
He aint takes me back? Where was he?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I almost wanted to get on the plane, get a
forty dollars flight to Las Vegas on Spirit and show
up to his house.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I told about it, I said, he yeah, we were
talking about this. I said, By the way, Rob got
as Sean about he said what I said, calling them
Matthew Stafford, the best quarterback in the league, were crazy.
You bother me at the microwave. I was trying to
heat up my food. You still bring up I'm like,
what all.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I'm saying is and that game, which was a big
game when you say that that was right here, that
was one of those games maybe better because both teams
are undefeated, but the idea that the Rams had this
big lead on the road and they and they wind
up giving it up. So I don't know, Jalen hurts,
Jayalen hurts. I just I don't know what's not to like.
(04:15):
Here's a guy I just don't like. You can tell
me whatever. I don't know what's not to like about
him or for me to feel uh magenta about him,
or you know, like that's a little off color right magenta?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Like you know what I mean? Like a little gray
Stephen A Smith's suit, No, that's hot pink. Okay, I
thought you were talking about my man with the franken
what's the the You got the cocoa, the cereal, the
Franken move with the Frankenstein one Franken Berry whatever, Yeah,
the other one. Remember frank Franken. You got the Franken
Berry joint. Steven A. Smith, Yeah, he was like give
(04:50):
me that. They were like, yeah, wear this when he
was like, nah, louder, why you all on? Stephen A.
That's my boy right there. He looks he's the hardest
working guy. I don't be What.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Is Ryan Clark wearing tonight?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Oh god, you know what I mean? You know what
I mean? Rob g you know what mean? Time this
man and brought it up the last hour. Oh god,
what what is it? What are they where? Oh? Look
look Pat and me turns my mic off so he
can No, No, you're missing runking off my mic, turning
my Michael. Look at what are they?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Oh god, that's still better than Rob Oh TV too, Bob.
Ryan looks like right now, Oh god, he's about ninety
seven years old. What is he doing on TV right now?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Dub dub? Turn your mic off? What what he looks like?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Tells from the crit you guys are I'm not gonna
say anything off care off mic to you guys.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
No, they just drop time like anything I've said. They
know I was gonna ride back. You trying to sit
up here and act like, Oh stephen A. Smith, I
love that coachor and I'm trying to do that now
to the point that Jayalen hurts. Jalen Hurts is hurting them.
And what I mean is he is hurting the people
who wanted to look a certain way. He's hurting the
people who this is how my quarterbacking is supposed to go,
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supposed to look. I start digging in some numbers. Do
you want him to pass less than thirty times? Which
is what he typically does? Runs the ball a lot.
They run it too. He is twenty five and eight.
When he's under thirty passes, you know what he is
when he still throws thirty plus twenty two and nine.
So it's not like he can't. It's not like he's
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nine and twenty two.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
And last night was a perfect Yesterday was like the
idea that he can't.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
They needed to come back, they needed passing. Now, yeah,
let me add to this now, rob G, I don't
know if we had do we have Aj Brown at all?
Look that up for me, just for those who didn't
get a chance to hear it for context. If we don't,
don't worry about to tell you what he said. But
AJ Brown, who is a freaking specimen of a human,
sometimes loves to read books on the sideline, which is
(06:56):
un Sometimes, which.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Is just I've never seen him covering the NFL Sins
nineteen eighty seven, that the guy would be reading.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Sometimes yeah, he's channeling his inner gy and then other
times he's getting into it a little bit like hey, hey, hey, hey,
I'm not one hundred million dollar man for no reason.
And he kind of had something to say about that
this game this post game as well. But I think
he was tapping onto something. When I look at this
this Eagles team, and I specifically look at Jalen Hurts.
(07:24):
Sometimes I think Jalen Hurts is rolling around in a
really really nice Toyota camera. It's reliable, gets you the
point A, point B, doesn't fail on you, it doesn't
break down on you. This is a really solid car.
It is a very economically friendly and wise purchase. But
every now and again what aj Brown said has to
happen me personally. I truth aglieve man.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
We got so many good.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Players on his team, you know, and and.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
At times, you know, you can feel like we're being conservative,
and I.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Don't think it. I don't think it should be like that,
you know, I think it should be you know, let
your let your killers do do they thing. You know.
Man can play fast and can play aggressive, and I'm
saying that we haven't been for you know me personally,
that's what I would like.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
You know, obviously, we're.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Gonna run the ball and we're gonna shut up the run,
off the pass and to pass off the run. But
you know we have a lot of good players Ansler
and we had, and you should just gotta go, you know,
unlock the cheat code, is what he's saying. Do you
see me? He's saying, do you see me? You pay
me a hundred million dollars. And every now and again,
I think Jayalen Hurts goes, oh yeah, not only am
I effective? I can run, We got say kwan, we
(08:29):
got some good pass okay, and make some wise decisions
every now and again, I gotta just give aj Brown
a Davante's with the ball, just because whether it be
a five yard out, whether it be a ten yard pass,
give them the ball and let them do what they do,
and specifically Aj Brown, because my gosh, was he embarrassing
those rams defensive backs, throwing them around, smacking them around,
trucking them and speaking of trucks. Every now and then,
(08:51):
Jalen Hurts, who has been so efficient, has had so
much success in this league, I want him to go,
you know what, sener this Toyota camera. I got this
big super charge up f one fifty. Then I'm gonna
use that utility truck that can do it all. Catch passes,
run people of a run with yacht, get the yat
after the catch all of that, and I think he's like, oh, shoot,
(09:12):
I got some studs on the outside too, and that's
what makes them scary.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
And a last point seventeen and oh and you're talking
about window dressing and doing it differently and just.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
None of it's not doing it. It's not doing anything. Definitely,
I think he's saying, we have nothing the idea, the
idea winning. Absolutely, it's about winning.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I just don't understand now if you're struggling, okay, But
if you're struggling, then you could say, well, because we're
way too conservative and we do have people that we
could open it up and do this or do that.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Oh they did blow out the Chiefs in the Super Bowl,
did they not? But that's where I lead to this.
This season, they barely beat the Rams, no, right, and
they barely beat the Chiefs, and they barely beat the Cowboys.
And I think all he's saying is everybody's kiding Inukwan
has not had a good season thus far because they're
saying we gotta stop it. And I just think he's
all I get it. What he's saying is, don't forget
(10:00):
we got some horses and some weapons out here on
the outside.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
As soon as as soon as they lose, and then
I'll listen to that conversation.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
But they're not gonna look. I just told you they're
pretty much. There's twenty five and eight when he's less
than thirty passes attempted, twenty two to nine wins, So
they've been a They've been very very good either way.
And that's what makes them scary to me is what
they're capable of doing when they let loose. We've seen
it in playoffs, we've seen it in Super Bowls. That's
what makes them even more skill.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I'm for the w I tell you, sports has a
short menu wins and losses. So you have other people
airing it out, doing this other stuff and they don't win,
but it looks good. I just don't understand anything like
and all players want the ball, all players want to
have their moment in the sun, But man, how about
winning like things? It's hard to complain. We always talk
(10:47):
about that winning is the cure, all like, what is there?
What is the conversation about? What if you come in
and you get throttled in your offense and there's points
left on the field and you feel like, well, we
could have done this, So that was open.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I'm all open for that conversation.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Because you only scored nine points in the first half
against a bad Giants team, that may that maybe I
could buy into that. But to do what they did
off of that and come back in a second.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
AJ Brown is saying, we don't have to rely on
block two block field goals in the fourth football. We
don't have to rely on that. I'm not mad for it.
One of the best receivers who thinks he's probably a
top one two receiver in the league saying, throw me
the ball. Sometimes I'm not mad at that, Like that's
okay to me when he's that good, that great and
(11:34):
obviously and they saying been struggling this season thus far,
about three and oh, it's about win. He hit your boy.
It's about win. Hit your boy. Man. He had people
bouncing off that was ridiculous. That first that one catch
he had he busted up for about thirty forty yards.
That man. That was embarrassing for thefts.
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Speaker 2 (13:08):
Fun Monday night football game on should be should be
a good one to teams that are both explosive and
rob I was thinking about this kind of going into
this one specifically for the Lions and this looking at
them because one of the things we've talked about the
scheduling man looking at the scheduling for the Lions. This
is a must win for the Lions. You don't I'm
(13:28):
not saying you lose, You're never gonna do anything else,
but this is a game they have to win. When
you look at their the rest of their schedule for
the next five or six weeks, this is a game
they gotta win because if they can. You look at
the games you go this one, you can. Let's say
you assume you win this one, then you got the Browns,
which is winnable, gonna be tough. Obviously we saw what
they just did to the Packers, and then the Bengals,
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which again you know they've been they've been able to win,
but you feel like I can win those. Then you
got the Chiefs. Then you go on this tough run Chiefs, Bucks, Vikings,
which we'll see, and then the Maners and then the Eagles.
So you got a tough, tough run and if you
can win this one against a very very good team,
the team that this is actually my Super Bowl prediction,
but the team that you you know that all of
(14:11):
us have last three years, No, none of us is
the Chiefs. Last year Lions Chiefs. I was on my
way to the Commander's till Jared Goff turning to Jared,
what tennis? So this I'm looking at this game, man,
This is a huge win for the Lions. If you
can get this done, go to two and one and
again you got two games of winnable games with the
Browns and the Bengals, then you can go to four
and one. That way, you get yourself a buffer cushion.
(14:32):
Four likes of the Chiefs, four lives of the Bucks,
four likes of the the Eagles and the Commanders. So
I'm looking at this game like you have to view
this as a must win so that you can get
yourself some room any NFC, specifically in your division as well,
because this just stretch you. We've talked about it all,
you know, the last few weeks. The Lions schedule is
(14:53):
very very difficult this year. I mean, shoot, looking at
the rest of you still got the Packers another time
as well, and then the ra as well, just other
teams that you know to add on to the list.
So I'm looking at this game, rob if you're the Lions,
you gotta win. Jared Goff is eleven and one in
primetime games his last twelve. He's seven and two in
(15:14):
Monday night football games, which is huge as is by
the way, Lamar Jackson the guy he's going up against, So
something's gonna give. But I'm looking at this as that,
Am I crazy?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
You're crazy, and no sense. Must win on the road
against Baltimore. This is not a must win game. You
you are talking about next week against Cleveland, Yeah, that's
a must win because after you take the l against Baltimore,
you need you don't want to lose to Cleveland and
then be one and three, that's a must win.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Or the Bengals without.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Burrow, Joe Burrow, Like that's a must win, you know,
Like those are the teams they got to make sure
that they try to win, because if you say this
is a must winning, they lose tonight to Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Now what what would be your point that you would
be You'd be putting yourself way behind the ball the whole.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Not losing to Baltimore on the road, like this is
a game when you look at the schedule. I'm sorry,
I don't care what team you probably said, this will
be an l right here, like this is a tough
I mean, they're one and one, but they score forty
points in each of their game pretty.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Easily, right, I'm just I don't look at it that way.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I don't see this as they have to win the
night in order to survive or to be able to
continue to do whatever they're doing. I just think that
that's a real tough call. Especially you didn't even mention
what Lamar is against NFC teams.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
What game ever right against NFC? T think it's like
four and two or something. It's a ridiculous I got
to get that exact one because that is one of
the greatest stats of all time.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I mean, it's just ridiculous. So I don't look at
tonight like that. I expect the Lions to lose. I
expect Baltimore to win. And then for me, it's can
the Lions pick themselves up right and then play the other.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
The other one? Four and two is ridiculous, that's look
and then we know it's funny and the opposite end
of that, Jared god and then what ten and one?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
He's also ten and one in home primetime games, I
mean Baltimore. Yeah, he's thirty total touchdowns in those games.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Was also weird. He I'm just saying, this is not
a must win.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
They win, it would be an incredible win for the
line season, but I must win.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Jared Goff is seven and one against the AFC in
his last eight. So we got two guys twenty four
and two. Well, I'm saying, two guys who have been
great versus the opposite conference, two guys who have been
great in prime time both seven and two on Monday night,
so we should be in for a good one. But
I know, listen, that's why I said if they lose,
(17:40):
it's not as if they're out of this thing. But
that would just give them such a huge edge, a
huge runway to go against this one, and then you
can if you can win those next two, because like
I said, if you ask him for a lot and
you go for But you gotta be good teams anyway, No, like,
why can't you? Why can't you be a good team?
That's not what we're talking about. But to say that
they have to.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Win, you ain't get that they better win in Baltimore. Okay,
you're hoping that they win, but to say that.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
You better go out there and show Baltimore is what
it is. We can get a big ross. They get
a forty point Burger put on them there and they
lose forty to forty. That's a good good win Detroit. No,
they lose forty two to nine. That's the score, Lions.
They absolutely not only scoring nine. The Ravens defense is
not Ray Lewis. Ain't walking through that door. You don't
need to have. Their defense ain't walking through that door.
(18:26):
You got to go. It's not about to be Jaredy.
He might throw one. I ain't gonna say he can
go throw nothing.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
The last time that game that I seen throwing out
he gotta win. In one of those games against an
AFC team on a national game, he threw five interceptions
in that game.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I think you forget that against the Texans won next
he won the same sins. I don't know what the
Texans do. My gosh. No, they're supposed to go to
the super Bowl. That's what everybody told us. You ain't
gonna let them. No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Because it was after one season, you know what I mean,
And everybody crowned every and I'm not. I don't have
anything against them, Rob g I don't care if he's
a black quarterback.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Everybody crowded. Didn't bring it up c J.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Stroud though, didn't they They annoyed to them here that he's.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
A black quarterback. But it also doesn't hurt the fact
that quarterback.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Everybody been taking shot to CJ. Ever since that moment.
He wapped up Kayler Williams and was like, Yo, man,
hey man, you know you're gonna be all right. Hey,
don't let it, you know, just get better from him.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
You missed it because you were off that day.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
The day that you left early.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
We found out Carrie Roads also does not like black quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Because he went to Louisville. But both of him and
Rob together, Oh my god, it was like a hate
crime in here.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Who did he like? None of none of them.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
You don't like Jaalen Hurts, Patrick Holmes was bad, just
like Rob's. Stroud was struggling.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Hey, hey, y'all got about three to five more years
not liking black quarterbacks because the Dagos whole league is
about to be black quarterback. Have you seen college football lately?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
That's gotta be racist. College football's always have black quarterbacks.
They just don't get to the LEA. They couldn't get
in the league back in the day Charlie Ward won
the Heisman.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
They had to go to the NBA. Ain't then a
you want to and they said, cool, you want to
go play for the Nay then black quarterbacks all over.
But I'm saying now, Game one was sixteen starters, the
most ever five years or so. You're gonna lose your mind.
That will match up with your retirement though, No, no, no,
I'll just talk five more years. I'll just start following
the CFL. That's all I have.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
You know, four in the top six passerways, the NFL
Black quarterbacks Lamar Jackson, Jordan Love, Caleb Williams, and my
guy Danny Dives.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Carry just fell down the stairs right now. Carry.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
You didn't even hear the Danny Dives. Hey man, we're
claiming for a second.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
No wait mate, what how is uh?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Who do we just? You just tell me the three names?
How did Love get in there after that performance? Just
so he's still in there?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Well? Yeah, the first two games like twelve passes and
got touchdowns on like eight of them.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
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Speaker 2 (20:57):
Also, we talked about comebacks and just games that would
just yesterday one of them too. Was the Chargers able
to come back as well? The Chargers? Man, we were
discuss discussing get the Broncos, who obviously a lot of
people a high on the Broncos. A lot of people
had them maybe winning the division as well. Obviously some
people are the Chargers, a couple people, you know, the Chiefs,
so tough division, one of the best in football. But
(21:18):
a comeback for sure? What a pick up them getting
Keenan Allen was again just a guy, a blanket, somebody
that you're used to throwing to if you're justin Herbert.
That was a great pickup for them. It just wasn't
working out with the Bears and able to come back
for them, and he's been just with the doctor ordered
for them as they lost Mike Williams, who just decided
to retire after Blue. But we were talking about it
(21:40):
a little bit earlier. We had TJ. Housman's out on
Go check out the podcast if you missed it in Man,
I was just thinking about just the way in which
Jim Harball is able to come into this team who
has had success as far as winning. They've won games
in the regular season, but they just haven't been able
to close games. They've lost over ganga games, very close,
last minute, last se blad, play calling, bad, bad use
(22:02):
of timeouts over the last two or three years. And
now it seems to have that stability that he typically
brings to an organization. You go all the way back
to Stanford, you go to the forty nine ers, you
go to Michigan. Now you're seeing what he did last
season with the Chargers, now you're seeing this season and
we're starting to get some of the best football that
I've seen out of Justin Herbert. He's starting to be
(22:22):
that as we're watching, he got Friday night lights above
us here. He's starting to be that prototypical if I
was designing a QB in a lab would be. He
has six touchdowns, one interceptions right now, one hundred and
five QBR, his completion percentage almost sixty seven percent. He's
had comebacks, He's just looked great thus far. And there's
a stability that Jim Harball has had, and he's actually
(22:44):
unlocked him. He's not just doing the are we gonna
run it forty five times and you just make a
couple of passes. He actually is running the offense, and
it kind of reminds me of they're different types of player.
But what he did with Colin Kaepernick where he said,
I'm gonna unleash you, acid run it, be an RPO,
you know, just use you as an absolute weapon. And
(23:06):
that's how he's starting to use Justin Herbert, not just
run the ball, not just to li on their defense.
And he has gotten him to a level that we
thought he could be at and even last season only
having with three interceptions. So he is taking this team
to the next level. And there's something when you look
at your coach and you absolutely believe what he's saying,
You absolutely believe in the next play, you absolutely believe
(23:27):
that we can come back and win this. And they
didn't have that with their last coach. They absolutely had
no one, They had no assurance. They looked at him,
there was no We all knew it was gonna make
the wrong decision when it comes to play calling, wrong
decision when it comes to clock management, wrong decision, when
to go for it, when not to go for it.
And now to be able, I think they can look
over their shoulder and have Jim Harbaugh and they absolutely
believe it. And that's just that extra five ten percent
(23:50):
that you get from a team that makes you from
a good to a great, that makes you from barely
making the playoffs to having a legitimate chance to compete
for a Super Bowl. And Jim Harball has continuously brought
everywhere he's gone, and it looks like so far he's
been able to bring that a season in three games
into his tenure with the Chargers. Did you see the
playoff game last year? I did.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Okay, I'm just the Jim Harball is the greatest coach.
Thing I just can't get with. Jim Harball finally won
a championship thanks to cheating with Michigan. That's when we
finally he finally broke through. He's had good teams, don't
get me wrong, but he's never won anything until the
cheating scandal, and he ran out of town and ann
(24:32):
Aubor after he knew that was coming down as well.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
After he finally was able to beat he.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Couldn't beat Ohio State for a long time, and then
all of a sudden he was able to beat Ohio
State miraculously. All of a sudden, he had all the
answers to what had happened. Jim Harball was so bad
with Michigan, so bad. People don't remember this that he
had a pay had to take a pay cut. You
remember that, Like they should have fired him, but they
(24:59):
didn't him. They made him take a pay cut. That
was their kind of like way of getting at him.
And then number two, nobody would even remember. The Lions
wouldn't interview him. He couldn't get a job. Remember he's
trying to get back in the NFL. After what had
happened at Michigan and nobody wanted him, so that happened.
He's turned programs around. I'm just not ready to crown
(25:21):
him because I believe in all honesty that a lot
of the issues that we talk about have to do
with they had bad coaching before. Brandon Steel is probably
one of the worst NFL coaches, and that he was
playing Madden and going forward in his own end like
no matter what. It was like the most ridiculous thing.
(25:45):
And he probably should have been fired a lot sooner
than he was. And uh, he was able to survive
because of that. Remember that he should have been fired
after that playoff game. Remember that they lost to Jacksonville,
which was ridiculous. So my point is, yes, the Chargers
are playing better, They're off to a great start, but
I'm not ready to crown Jim Harball yet. I think
(26:07):
there's a lot of work to go. He had a
great team in San Francisco, they couldn't win. They didn't win,
and then after a while, you know, like Jim Harbor,
after a while.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Oh not to move on. He's nomadic. He ain't gonna
be somewhere long. He everything. He's like you know, always
give you that example of again, the things that make
him great are the things that eventually will wear it down.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
There.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
You see, he's not gonna have it. Andy Reid with
Kansas City, Mike Tomley with the Steelers, I'm gonna be there,
John Harbor, his brother with the with the Ravens, I'm
gonna be here for a long long time. He's here
for a good time, not a long time. He's only
gonna be there three four five years max. Now he
has justin Herbert, so that obviously makes it more enticing.
But I can't discredit somebody who has gone everywhere and
(26:46):
had a bunch of them. I'm not discrediting him. I'm
just not crowning him. And that's fair. That's fair. But
I'm saying to me, the.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
One championship that he won is tainted. So I'm not
gonna crown him that he's the greatest coach. Oh my god,
Jim Halball has turned every prog around. But that's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
He actually goes places and gets the best out of
those guys. And specifically when you talk about what he
was able to do with Andrew Luck early on, then
with Colin Kaepernick, nobody had any expectations of We see
the best version of him. J J. McCarthy. He got
him all the way to a tenth pick and even
I was blown away by that. And now we're seeing
the best of Justin Herbert. So here is something to
what he brings, and now they're reaping the benefit of it.
(27:23):
And again we'll see it's early, it's only three weeks.
They we'll see what the season holds. But I like
how he is able to come in reinvigorate, you know,
revitalize a team, a franchise, an organization, or a school
and get the best out of them, and get the
best out of the quarterback. Because Justin Herbert currently will
be the probably MVP runaway as of three weeks in.
He looks that good. Right now, this team is sitting
(27:44):
at three and zero, especially a comeback win. They don't
win that game last year or two years ago. I'm sorry,
because hardbo. They don't win that game two years ago.
They find a way to lose. They to dog, we
just will come back. We'll get him back next week.
They don't find a way to win that game two
years ago, and they do it because he's there.
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