September 23, 2025 • 29 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us if Major League Baseball is making a mistake by bringing in an ABS replay challenge system next season, debate whether the Lions’ demolition of Baltimore on Monday Night Football said more about Detroit or Lamar Jackson and the Ravens, and tell us if the New York Giants move to dump Russell Wilson in favor of rookie Jaxson Dart was a smart (or desperate) move.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, we had some real breaking news. We saw it coming.
It's been building now for basically about a year, but
robot umps are coming to baseball. Not right away, of course,
but next season. Starting in twenty twenty six, Major League
Baseball will implement a challenge system using the ABS symptom
system so that robot umps can determine balls and strikes.
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The way it works is just like in all those
other sports. Teams will be able to challenge twice a game,
potentially more if they get it right, and if it
goes to that trains, you'll get a third challenge for free.
But as we mentioned, the big headline here, robot umps
coming to baseball twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Kelvin.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
As you know, I've covered Major League Baseball for thirty
nine years, going on four decades next year, and I'll
admit I wasn't that hot about all the changes in
baseball and all the you know, wild card and all
those kind of things. I was against it. I'm not
even gonna sit here and act like I wasn't. And
I'm gonna be honest. I'm not feeling good about this
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as well. Not that I don't want the umpires to
get it right, because I think I do want them
to get it right as much as they can. We're
all human. Players make errors in the field. Managers make mistakes, right.
Umpires make mistakes too.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Here's what.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I'm frightened by.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Is they tell you that it's two challenges a game.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
This is just to get started, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Like like, yeah, well, once you let it out, they say,
once you let the toothpaste out of the tube, you
know you can't put it back in.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Because once they get going.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
And people get comfortable with it, this is going to
be full blown and all of a sudden, every pitch
is going to be determined by an umpire or not
buying umpire, by some system.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And here's the issue that I have in tennis.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
When they when they do it, when they hit a ball,
whether it's in or out, you just have to nick
the line, right. Is that where we're going to be
with baseball where Aaron Judge or show Hays up and
the pitcher only has to nick the line in the corner,
not throw the ball over this over this plate, right?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
If I'm able to hit.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Those corners even though and technically they're a strike, but
is that where we're headed? And my proof positive why
I'm not that keen on always having replay or whatever
the replaces them in the NFL is not flawless.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
There's plenty of times.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
How many times, Kevin, are you watching games and they
still get it wrong with the replay, And in baseball
they've misused replay, especially when it comes to guys stealing bases. Kelvin,
you do the Dodgers pre imposed sometimes and all that,
and they watched the video eight times to see if
the player's foot came off the bag even though he
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beat the ball there right and originally beat the tag,
they'll look at it and go, well, his foot came
up just a little bit of millisecond, and the guys
do at his glove on them.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
That's not what the replay was for.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
And That's what I'm worried about, is you start here
and it opens up something way bigger.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
So I'm a work backwards like this.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I look at it as I robot, They'll robot the
dance RoboCop. I'm in for it. Here's why I'm in
for it, Rob, you just touched on a few things.
Number One, Baseball historically has been very slow to the party,
slow to change.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
That's part of the tradition of them. So you mentioned it.
Baseball to Rob Manford has finally said, let's give some
things a try.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Let's add a pitch clock. Everybody I don't know about this.
It's part of the game. Let them do his thing.
It's a rhythm. Actually has been great for the game.
Everyone for the most part has enjoyed it. You talked
about the wild card add more excitement. You and I
our first year together, we got to start right at
the postseason last year. Both enjoyed it. It was spectacular.
You look at some other things they are doing with
the line shift. Nah, bro, you can't do that because
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you know we're trying to get more offense into the game.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
They're trying to do things.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I applaud that in baseball for the most part, has
gotten a lot of things right over the last handful
of years.
Speaker 7 (04:42):
This is something they will be again last to the party.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
We've seen it in all the other major sports except
and it will be on this brand scale of doing
something like this.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
The reason why I'm optimistic for it, it's a couple
of reasons.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
One, Rob we've been seeing it on a high level
for fifteen years.
Speaker 7 (05:00):
They have gone out of their way.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Every single year to add a new technology to show
us the precise point of the pitch. I mean, to
the new we have a new three D, new four D,
new four K.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
Look at this angle.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
You're already showing me that the umpire got it wrong
or the umpire got it right. So now let's just
might as well have an opportunity to make sure and
ensure that they got it right or wrong. So to me,
you've already enhanced the technology, You've already enhanced my appetite
for it.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
You might as well allow it.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And one thing I'll give Baseball credit for, and even
the NFL to an extent as well, let's experiment. That
doesn't mean it's locked in, signed, sealed, delivered, or it's
in blood. We have we can never change it. They
can try it, say ew, that didn't work, that sucked,
and then and take it away or redo it.
Speaker 7 (05:46):
So I'm open to trying it. And it might add
some suspense to a game.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And you mentioned show hayes up and you got scooble
pitch into him or something and he taps his hat
for a review. If we're all on pins and needles
to see what this massive call in the post season
will be, that could add some new element to it,
a little bit of excitement to the sport.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
So I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I actually get your point and actually understand your point
of it's the it's college football for twelve twenty twenty eight,
like when will they stop?
Speaker 7 (06:18):
So I understand you you're.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Worry and it's not that that is My biggest concern
is that it won't stop there, that it will continue
and and and my other argument is definitely, and you
know this watching the NFL, they don't with the with
even with the instant replay, they don't.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Get it right. They don't listen, they don't getting it right.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
They're gonna need umpires for the umpires and computers for
the computers. Like I feel like a camera, so hocky,
nobody's perfect.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
We don't need I don't need perfect baseball. That's not
what I'm looking for. If that was the case, in
every play that was mishandled, let's just score. Well, he
would have made that play, Aaron Judge would have caught
that ball.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Just that was an hour and we all know what.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
No, he has to actually catch the ball right, Yes,
to make them.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
O optimistic rob with this one that it is strictly
for you know, a handful of times and it's not
robot umpires period, meaning every pitch that's hold not because
one of the greatest things about sports. Yes it makes
millions and billions of dollars, and yes it's high stakes,
but we all started as five, six, seven, eight, nine,
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ten year old, you know, little boys and little girls
in the backyard, and there's an essence of humanity, essence
of human error, essence of that.
Speaker 7 (07:28):
I don't want to fully lose.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yes, there's a lot on the line, there's legacies, there's money,
so you want to, you know, do it as best
you can. I'm okay with the advent of technology and
bringing it in, but let's not one fully lose the
human element that would just that would upset me, and
I think it would have set you in most sports
fans because you need a little bit of that, because
that's ultimately what we are, humans who picked up a
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game they love in a backyard in sandlots.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Do we need robot players?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Why?
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Why worried about load management? I'm injured, they play every day.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
Well I'm so sure, So hey, O Tani and Aaron
Jodge aren't robots.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
We know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
At some point, all right, Uh, this is interesting, and
I wonder where people are. I'm really, like I said,
I'm not I'm at least honest to admit that I
wasn't sure about the pitch clock because I thought it
was just a way to speed up the game where
people don't like baseball, do you know what I mean?
And that's what my guard was about the whole pitchclock idea.
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But I'm it's it's worked, and it has it's taken
out all the garbage of guys adjusting themselves and batting
gloves and all that.
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Speaker 4 (09:52):
Rob g you got some YouTube comments and out on
a ripping Kelvin.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Alright, well, the odd mob is in full effect right
now on YouTube. There's a slew of comments. I don't
know I should read all of them. Some of them
are off color, but they're really funny. But one of
them I thought would be perfect to lead into the
next segment.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Here.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
This one comes to us courtesy of Will on YouTube.
Kansas City barbecue sauce or Carolina barbecue sauce for Rob
Parker's back?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Could we talking lions? I don't want any sauce on.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
You got all the sauce on your back.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
I'm a woman.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
You got sweet baby rays, open pit.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
I need baby oil. It's all on your back, he
continues Lion segment.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Next, I brought the barbecue to glaze over Rob Parker's back.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
The grill is ready, let's cook.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Where do we begin?
Speaker 6 (10:49):
What's the only one I'm reading?
Speaker 7 (10:51):
I'm not reading anything else.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I thought it was perfect from what we're talking about
right here.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, yeah, well let's say let you know what, Let's
go ahead get that. I'm a fan of Sweet Baby Rais.
By the way, you couldn't have convinced me Sweet Baby
wasn't a black dude. Have you ever seen Sweet Baby Ray?
I just knew that was sweet Baby. I thought he
was sweet Baby Ray Johnson or something. I just had
my mind. I had that idea what he looked like.
He ain't what I looked I thought he looked like.
But let's get to the game. Last night we were
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able to see the first half or about the first
half together, so good game. But I walked away from
there with a couple takeaways robs both of y'all and
YouTube being shout out to YouTube number one Fred not.
We were concerned about the coordinators Ben Johnson leaving, Aaron
Glenn leaving, and rightfully so, I understand that you used
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to lose your coordinators who were both implemental to what
you were doing. Instrumental, I should say, I understand that,
but Dagget these coordinators look good right now. They have
found a ways to put up a fifty piece on
the Bears. Mind you, that is Ben Johnson, who supposedly
knew everything about the team, knew everything they were gonna do.
He's been there all those years, he knows the roster,
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he knows all this. It looked like they knew him
and they destroyed what he was trying to do to
a fifty something piece barbecue speaking of looked like barbecue chicken.
And Shaq will say, man, you coming to this game
against I have in a Super Bowl, you have winning
a Super Bowl and obviously a guy who competes for
an MVP every year, and guy who competes for Offensive
Player of the Year and Derrick Henry, and to come
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in and you're able to put up thirty eight on
this team, four hundred and twenty six yards. Here's the
most important part, two hundred and twenty four rushing yards
to their eighty five rushing yards. And that includes Derrick
Henry and Lamar Jackson rushing only eighty five yards.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
So I looked at this game a couple of things.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Now do I I think the Lions have something that
I am big on.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
And you know this, You've been doing out radio with
me for a year.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
In identity, Rob, they know who they are, what they do,
how they do it, no matter who, And that, to me,
is attributed to Tan Campbell gambling. Campbell, he gambled even
when I was having heart attacks and I was rooting
for him.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
He's going for it early. Is that first quarter fourth down,
going for it.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
He ends up being three for three because that's what
they do, even to ice the game.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
They're up eight, Why would you do this? You punt it,
you're up a he goes for it.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
They throw a fourth and you know too, and it
ends up being like a twenty five yard pass.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Dan Kembll knows exactly who he is.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
He knows exactly what this team is, and you know
exactly what they're capable of doing.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
And to me, I.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Watched that game, and they look more prepared, they look
more in sync, they look more united, They play tougher,
they play faster, and I looked at them and that
was the contrast to Baltimore. Baltimore didn't look like they
knew who was gonna close. I call it ABC. If
you're in sales, anybody listening sales, know what ABC means,
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always be closing.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
And the Baltimore Ravens they don't know how to close.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
For whatever reasons, I have them going to the super Bowl,
but it makes you nervous picking them because they struggle
closing games. And you don't know if it's Lamar, you
don't know if it's John Harball, who you've mentioned in
me critic love. You don't know if it's a defense
that's gonna let them down. Defense ray Lewis rolled around
in his bed, every roll around his bed right now.
The way that defense looks this season. So I look
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at this game and I walked away looking at Dan
Campbell and looking at that Lions team saying, they know
exactly who they are and what they do. Gonna run
the ball, They're gonna smash it down, They're gonna get
after you the defensive lead. They might not have the
greatest defensive players individually, but as a collective, they're gonna
get after you, and they're gonna go for it on
fourth down. Whether you like it or love it. I
hope he changes it a little bit in the postseason.
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That story for another day. But I just looked at
that and said, Wow, they know exactly what they are
and that's why they played well. And that's why I
still obviously have them going to the postseason. But I
was disappointed in the Ravens the way they always look frazzle.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
They don't look like they're know what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
The Lions come out, they know exactly what fourth down
they're running, They know exactly what play they're running on
third down to get to the fourth down. They know
exactly that they're going for it, and they and they
look steady. The Ravens don't look steady when they're down
or when it's closed. So when they look frazzled and
weird at times. And again, who's gonna be the person
in step? But is that John Harball in his scheme
and he's gonna change and he's gonna find a way
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to stop the run or find a way to put
Lamar in better situations, or is Lamar gonna say screw
everybody on here, I'm gonna get it done. I walked
away like that's what. That's why we all have a
little anks with the Ravens at times, because he's the
best player. He's so skilled, so with Derrick Henry. But
you walk away like I don't know. And that was
disappointed to see from the Ravens. But great game from
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the Lions. They're exactly in a great position. You have
the Browns, you have the Bengals. If you win that
and you're up four to one right now in the season,
that is a tremendous, tremendous start, considering you lost your
coordinators and some people like when I sit next to you,
said you ain't even gonna make the postseason barbecue?
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Are you done with that lame take of the Lions?
They know exactly what did you wing?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
They knew?
Speaker 6 (15:57):
What? Did they know what they were doing against Green Bay?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
No?
Speaker 6 (16:00):
They did not.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Can they bank on two hundred and fifty yards on
the ground every week?
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Know they can?
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Do You see how easily Baltimore was able to score
on them?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
No?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
No, yes.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
And the other one is if you're gonna get a
gift fumble where you're able to cash it, and of
course that's gonna help you. I looked at this game.
I didn't come away with the Lions are great. I
came away with the Bravens have let down Lamar, the
coaches let them down. The defense they give up forty
points every night. They haven't done anything. The Lions didn't
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do anything special that Bablodi points The defense is terrible.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
That's what I'm talking about. The fumbles costantly fumbles.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yes, the Lions got their Christmas gift and the Lions
got their Christmas wish.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
That's what this was.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
You'll look back on this and this will be the
Lion's super Bowl. This game right here, Celebrate all you
want will be the game and you'll go back and go, Man,
what happened to that team? When they beat the Ravens
in Week three and they re beat them in Baltimore?
Then I thought they were on their way and then
they all of a sudden lost to Cleveland and some
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other game, and I didn't know what happened there. Really,
I didn't walk away with the Lions. I walked away
with how bad Baltimore played and what they didn't do,
and how they can't secure the ball, and how they
have a coach I told you who should be fired
because this is this is happens over and over and over.
How many times are we gonna see this?
Speaker 7 (17:34):
So why.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Because they have the greatest player. They have the greatest
player in the league.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Right now, That's what I want. Why I'm hot?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Why can't Lamar close? You can stop it with the Lamar,
I said, he's the best player. Why can't close the game?
They can get two hundred and fifty yards on the ground.
Wouldn't have to do with Lamore closed the game? We
have to go tackle people. Come on, why can't he
close it? You can't do anything with dad when.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
The game.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
That's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Come on for that game.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
I can't Lamar Jackson can't.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Can we hold on to the football?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Come on?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Exactly, that's a lazy take. Let's that's absolute nothing to
do with that game. He got sack seven times to
start running back, caught up another fourth quarter football that
turned into points and Mark Jackets stop on defense. Come
on with mar Jackson football and Noalys. I need him
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to be the best player off. I need him to
make him plays the big name practicular, not make.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Radio.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
He's okay to be critical of him. It's okay. I
promise you no do it, just promise you had none
he makes. He doesn't make every play.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
He doesn't.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
Last night had nothing to do with Lamar.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Did you watch the game war?
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (19:02):
No, you didn't?
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Did too?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Then there's no way you walked away from that thinking
that Lamar Jackson played well. Nobody's questioning that he eternally
for the ninety seven percent of his games. He's gonna
play well. But what's the difference. Why do we talk
about Patrick Mahomes? Why do we talk about Josh Allen?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Give me a game.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Where Patrick's Mahomes defense gave up two hundred and fifty glad?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
How about on the ground?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
How about every single playoff game he played on a
run he was down ten and he filed a way
to win and won a Super Bowl? How about that?
Do you go hop, Lamar Jackson two hundred and fifty
yards on the ground in your court and your running back.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Cups up the ball in the fourth and you're still
in the game. Bit No, no, you can't keep doing that.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Came on that last time?
Speaker 6 (19:48):
You kid? Keep doing that? You would have to doing that.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
At some point, say Lamar Jackson, I need a bit
more from you to close games.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
Just three you No bike issue would ever come.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I watched him in San Francisco blow out the forty
nine ers on Christmas Day. I've seen plenty of games.
He's been plenty, he robbed plenty. I need you when
you're when you're not in a fun.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
Want to come.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Can you close the game?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Bar? He threw a ball Lamark Andrews last year in Buffalo,
and what did he do?
Speaker 6 (20:24):
He dropped it.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
But Lamar can't get it done. Go watch tape. Go
watch the tape. They get, watch the tape.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
They must.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
He might win it to be this year. It's okay,
Rob Lamar Jackson trying to be.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
Better and watch the game.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
And you know what funny was against against Kansas.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
City, Mars Jackson would up the two yard line if
Lamar Jackson was right there after doing Lamar. If Lamar
Jackson was saying, Hey, yo, Dub, you're right. I gotta
be better. I gotta close games out. Nobody's saying that
Derreck Henry didnt foot things. You know how many things
happened to great quarterbacks are out of game and they
can find a way. And Lamar is too talented to
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not be able to find a way at times when
it's critical.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
At times, I.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Just think it's lazy. And this is what people do.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
You'll bang on Lamar all you want and then he'll
win and you'll change your tune.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
And I get it, No, no, no, get it.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
He's because it takes He's all you have to do
is win one. Just like John Elway couldn't win, and
he won his last two Super Bowls his last two years.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
And guess what.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
John Elway is an all time great and he was
always great. Lamar Jackson is time great, which is why
we are not buying that. If Lamar Jackson wasn't at
all to give him forty points every game, because they
lost two games and they gave up forty points and
Lamar is the reason. And you start running back fumbled
in both of those games in the fourth quarter. So
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so Lamar is going to get me something clean.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
So guess what.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So Lamar Jackson is gonna look up and will have
played seven eight more years of amazing football, and at
some point we're gonna find every the defense did this,
His coach didn't do that. It's Derek Henry fumble dat.
At some point he has to be able to say
I have been this good. And watching that game last night,
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there were too many moments that for the fourth when
they go for it on goal line against the Lions,
they just running players don't even they're just out there
doing stuff like they don't. They are not built, they're
not situated to absolutely go exactly what they're doing and
Lamar has to find ways. It's on him. He knows it.
If he's sitting next to me, he would say, you
are right now. Not every game. There's any games where
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defense glets up this or Derek Henry fumbles five. But
we're saying when I need to depend on him. At
times he is faltered.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
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Speaker 3 (22:56):
Well, sticking to New York, you mentioned it rob less
than two two weeks after ESPN reported that the club
had a quote very specific strategy for Jackson Darner's development
because they viewed him in a long term like a
Patrick Mahomes Josh Allen type thing to be molded and
sculpted so we could have long term success.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
One week after Russell Wilson throws for four.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
And fifty yards and three touchdowns on the road in
Dallas in a game they should have won, the New
York Football Giants are making a change of quarterback. Out
goes Russell Wilson, Mister unlimited will be feeling very limited
on the bench in favor of rookie first round quarterback
Jackson Dart. Now you'll recall Jackson Dart in the preseason
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was money. Completed sixty percent of his passes, three to
seventy two yards, three touchdowns, no picks. He also ran
for fifty two yards and a touchdown. He looked as
good as advertised with the store here again, once again,
Russell Wilson out Jackson dart in in the Big Apple.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
If I'm a Giants fan, I just have to look
at this Kelvin and be like, Okay, this is what
happens when you have a coach who's.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I know, he was Coach of the Year right his
first year, and since then it's been really bad.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Offense has just been abysmal, and I don't care who's
been that quarterback. And now the general manager and the
coach decide we got to do something to save ourselves,
not let's figure out what's going on. And I don't
know Jason Dart Is he gonna be good? Could he
be terrible?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
To start?
Speaker 5 (24:29):
They don't have a great offensive line. I don't know,
the running game isn't great. I just don't know what
they have. I know they got neighbors, right, I mean
is that they got him, but I just I'm not
so sure.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
And even neighbors they've dug up a quote from him.
Did you see it? What he's saying. What he's saying,
it ain't a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
This is like a quote about the Giants offense, and
you know how bad it's been, and he basically was saying,
it ain't the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I know everybody says it is, but it ain't. Uh.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
And it's surprising not that you can't make a move
or decide to make a move. Why didn't you start
the season with the kid? Why did you sign Russell Wilson?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
I just think the plans keep changing, and to me,
it feels desperate and I don't know what to expect.
It could be worse for the Giants, you.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (25:22):
With this kid without offensive line? Maybe he your fine
lightning that dad, what was his name? The Vito came.
That kid came and won a couple of games. But look,
he ain't even with the team.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
They let him go. I think he went to the Patriots.
I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
This is just the Giants seemed to be lost as
far as maybe it's time for the general manager the
coach to move on.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not mad at that that thought.
And my part was, this is why I thought they
would just go with him from the start meeting that
there is nothing there with kind of a retread of
Russell Wilson.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
And I understand it.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
You play the veteran, you give the young guy some time.
But to me, look, I you're in a division where
everybody kind of has their guy, right. The Caybo just
stuck with Deck, whether they love him or not, They're
stuck with Deck. That is their guy, just period. From
you know, for the foreseeable future. The Commanders feel they
have found their guy in Jayden Daniels, right, and then
you look at the Eagles. Clearly they had the guy
Jalen Hurt to the tune of a couple of Super
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Bowl appearances and currently the reigning Super Bowl champ. So
to me, you need to hurry up and find your
guy if you choose to compete in this division over
the next handful of years. So I don't understand why
I was kind of blown away while they're wasting time.
And by all accounts, he's supposed to be really good
from the stuff that they've seen there in the training camp.
The stuff that they's heart, they've heard, we've heard coming
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out of camp. And you were on vacation when we
had Charlie weiss On who obviously his son is the
quarterback coach and I want to say the offensive coordinator,
but for sure the quarterback coach there at Old Miss,
and he said that, you know, he's obviously spent some
time with him, and he was saying, how man, this
kid has it. It's not just the goods on the
on the field, it's what he asked. He asked me
interesting questions. What made Tom so great? He wanted to know.
(26:57):
I saw him in the film room and Charlie White
swears by this guy.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
He said.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
We pulled up the tweet, Rob g remember the tweet.
He had a tweet that essentially said like watch me.
And it was early, way early in college football season.
He said, Jackson Dart will be your first round pick.
I'm telling you, this kid is that good, like go
ahead is gonna say. My point is at this point,
all that we've been hearing is the buzz coming out
of camp, buzz coming out of practice. He's been playing
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to Patrick Mahomes role as they got ready, like he's
that guy. You should have seen him looking like Patrick Mahomes.
It's just that time. Give your fan base something excited.
Let him get those lives, practice at it, understand what
the real NFL defense feels like, find some continuity with
the offensive line, find some continuity with Malik Neighbors and
the rest of that offense. And then to me let him,
you know, go through it so that he's geared up
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and ready next year so that you can compete, let
alone in the NFC, starting with your own division.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Like Michael Pennix junior, right, who everybody had to have,
and they didn't make the playoffs because they decided to
give the kid a start and now he's not even
playing like like this is This is what I'm saying,
is what are you doing? Are you trying to develop
somebody or are you trying to win? Because the Michael
Pennix junior benching makes no sense if it if it's
(28:10):
about the future and giving your guy reps, right.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
I do agree with that. If you it.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Doesn't make sense because doing that, what are you doing?
You're going back agree with that.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
And this is what I'm saying, Like these guys are
so flaky and phony and and none of it makes
any sense to me because I don't really know what
they're doing.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Once you've made that commitment, why would you go back?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
But that means that they're not really believing in it,
And the same thing would Dart.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
We'll see, you know, like how long they stick with this?
If if it's really.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Bad and they lose six to eight in a row
or whatever and it looks like he's not ready, they'll
wind up taking him out.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
I'm telling you that.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
But that's crazy that they if he's your guy, he's
your guy, and you ride it out. Josh Allen was
a turnover machine. He wasn't great, he was very Completion
percentage was in the fifties. Now you're looking at Peyton
Manning seven or six twenties exactly like nobody. If you've
identified that whatever the traits are that you need in
your organization, we needed to be X Y Z A
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B C D bam, bam bam.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
If he has those things, you believe he's the guy.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
You give him the full run and you know, and
that's where you need general managers trust in the coach
and being like, hey, man, I know what we're about
to be up against.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
But I believe in our pick.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I believe in what we see every day, being around
him in training camp, being around him in practice, being
around him you know when he does what he does,
And like, we're gonna ride this out, the bumps in
the bruises because we believe we've got a guy
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, we had some real breaking news. We saw it coming.
It's been building now for basically about a year, but
robot umps are coming to baseball. Not right away, of course,
but next season. Starting in twenty twenty six, Major League
Baseball will implement a challenge system using the ABS symptom
system so that robot umps can determine balls and strikes.
(00:49):
The way it works is just like in all those
other sports. Teams will be able to challenge twice a game,
potentially more if they get it right, and if it
goes to that trains, you'll get a third challenge for free.
But as we mentioned, the big headline here, robot umps
coming to baseball twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Kelvin.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
As you know, I've covered Major League Baseball for thirty
nine years, going on four decades next year, and I'll
admit I wasn't that hot about all the changes in
baseball and all the you know, wild card and all
those kind of things. I was against it. I'm not
even gonna sit here and act like I wasn't. And
I'm gonna be honest. I'm not feeling good about this
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as well. Not that I don't want the umpires to
get it right, because I think I do want them
to get it right as much as they can. We're
all human. Players make errors in the field. Managers make mistakes, right.
Umpires make mistakes too.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Here's what.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I'm frightened by.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Is they tell you that it's two challenges a game.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
This is just to get started, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Like like, yeah, well, once you let it out, they say,
once you let the toothpaste out of the tube, you
know you can't put it back in.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Because once they get going.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
And people get comfortable with it, this is going to
be full blown and all of a sudden, every pitch
is going to be determined by an umpire or not
buying umpire, by some system.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And here's the issue that I have in tennis.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
When they when they do it, when they hit a ball,
whether it's in or out, you just have to nick
the line, right. Is that where we're going to be
with baseball where Aaron Judge or show Hays up and
the pitcher only has to nick the line in the corner,
not throw the ball over this over this plate, right?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
If I'm able to hit.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Those corners even though and technically they're a strike, but
is that where we're headed? And my proof positive why
I'm not that keen on always having replay or whatever
the replaces them in the NFL is not flawless.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
There's plenty of times.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
How many times, Kevin, are you watching games and they
still get it wrong with the replay, And in baseball
they've misused replay, especially when it comes to guys stealing bases. Kelvin,
you do the Dodgers pre imposed sometimes and all that,
and they watched the video eight times to see if
the player's foot came off the bag even though he
(03:27):
beat the ball there right and originally beat the tag,
they'll look at it and go, well, his foot came
up just a little bit of millisecond, and the guys
do at his glove on them.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
That's not what the replay was for.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
And That's what I'm worried about, is you start here
and it opens up something way bigger.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
So I'm a work backwards like this.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I look at it as I robot, They'll robot the
dance RoboCop. I'm in for it. Here's why I'm in
for it, Rob, you just touched on a few things.
Number One, Baseball historically has been very slow to the party,
slow to change.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
That's part of the tradition of them. So you mentioned it.
Baseball to Rob Manford has finally said, let's give some
things a try.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Let's add a pitch clock. Everybody I don't know about this.
It's part of the game. Let them do his thing.
It's a rhythm. Actually has been great for the game.
Everyone for the most part has enjoyed it. You talked
about the wild card add more excitement. You and I
our first year together, we got to start right at
the postseason last year. Both enjoyed it. It was spectacular.
You look at some other things they are doing with
the line shift. Nah, bro, you can't do that because
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you know we're trying to get more offense into the game.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
They're trying to do things.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I applaud that in baseball for the most part, has
gotten a lot of things right over the last handful
of years.
Speaker 7 (04:42):
This is something they will be again last to the party.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
We've seen it in all the other major sports except
and it will be on this brand scale of doing
something like this.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
The reason why I'm optimistic for it, it's a couple
of reasons.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
One, Rob we've been seeing it on a high level
for fifteen years.
Speaker 7 (05:00):
They have gone out of their way.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Every single year to add a new technology to show
us the precise point of the pitch. I mean, to
the new we have a new three D, new four D,
new four K.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
Look at this angle.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
You're already showing me that the umpire got it wrong
or the umpire got it right. So now let's just
might as well have an opportunity to make sure and
ensure that they got it right or wrong. So to me,
you've already enhanced the technology, You've already enhanced my appetite
for it.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
You might as well allow it.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And one thing I'll give Baseball credit for, and even
the NFL to an extent as well, let's experiment. That
doesn't mean it's locked in, signed, sealed, delivered, or it's
in blood. We have we can never change it. They
can try it, say ew, that didn't work, that sucked,
and then and take it away or redo it.
Speaker 7 (05:46):
So I'm open to trying it. And it might add
some suspense to a game.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And you mentioned show hayes up and you got scooble
pitch into him or something and he taps his hat
for a review. If we're all on pins and needles
to see what this massive call in the post season
will be, that could add some new element to it,
a little bit of excitement to the sport.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
So I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I actually get your point and actually understand your point
of it's the it's college football for twelve twenty twenty eight,
like when will they stop?
Speaker 7 (06:18):
So I understand you you're.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Worry and it's not that that is My biggest concern
is that it won't stop there, that it will continue
and and and my other argument is definitely, and you
know this watching the NFL, they don't with the with
even with the instant replay, they don't.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Get it right. They don't listen, they don't getting it right.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
They're gonna need umpires for the umpires and computers for
the computers. Like I feel like a camera, so hocky,
nobody's perfect.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
We don't need I don't need perfect baseball. That's not
what I'm looking for. If that was the case, in
every play that was mishandled, let's just score. Well, he
would have made that play, Aaron Judge would have caught
that ball.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Just that was an hour and we all know what.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
No, he has to actually catch the ball right, Yes,
to make them.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
O optimistic rob with this one that it is strictly
for you know, a handful of times and it's not
robot umpires period, meaning every pitch that's hold not because
one of the greatest things about sports. Yes it makes
millions and billions of dollars, and yes it's high stakes,
but we all started as five, six, seven, eight, nine,
(07:20):
ten year old, you know, little boys and little girls
in the backyard, and there's an essence of humanity, essence
of human error, essence of that.
Speaker 7 (07:28):
I don't want to fully lose.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yes, there's a lot on the line, there's legacies, there's money,
so you want to, you know, do it as best
you can. I'm okay with the advent of technology and
bringing it in, but let's not one fully lose the
human element that would just that would upset me, and
I think it would have set you in most sports
fans because you need a little bit of that, because
that's ultimately what we are, humans who picked up a
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game they love in a backyard in sandlots.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Do we need robot players?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Why?
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Why worried about load management? I'm injured, they play every day.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
Well I'm so sure, So hey, O Tani and Aaron
Jodge aren't robots.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
We know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
At some point, all right, Uh, this is interesting, and
I wonder where people are. I'm really, like I said,
I'm not I'm at least honest to admit that I
wasn't sure about the pitch clock because I thought it
was just a way to speed up the game where
people don't like baseball, do you know what I mean?
And that's what my guard was about the whole pitchclock idea.
(08:26):
But I'm it's it's worked, and it has it's taken
out all the garbage of guys adjusting themselves and batting
gloves and all that.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
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Speaker 4 (09:52):
Rob g you got some YouTube comments and out on
a ripping Kelvin.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Alright, well, the odd mob is in full effect right
now on YouTube. There's a slew of comments. I don't
know I should read all of them. Some of them
are off color, but they're really funny. But one of
them I thought would be perfect to lead into the
next segment.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Here.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
This one comes to us courtesy of Will on YouTube.
Kansas City barbecue sauce or Carolina barbecue sauce for Rob
Parker's back?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Could we talking lions? I don't want any sauce on.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
You got all the sauce on your back.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
I'm a woman.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
You got sweet baby rays, open pit.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
I need baby oil. It's all on your back, he
continues Lion segment.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Next, I brought the barbecue to glaze over Rob Parker's back.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
The grill is ready, let's cook.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Where do we begin?
Speaker 6 (10:49):
What's the only one I'm reading?
Speaker 7 (10:51):
I'm not reading anything else.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I thought it was perfect from what we're talking about
right here.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, yeah, well let's say let you know what, Let's
go ahead get that. I'm a fan of Sweet Baby Rais.
By the way, you couldn't have convinced me Sweet Baby
wasn't a black dude. Have you ever seen Sweet Baby Ray?
I just knew that was sweet Baby. I thought he
was sweet Baby Ray Johnson or something. I just had
my mind. I had that idea what he looked like.
He ain't what I looked I thought he looked like.
But let's get to the game. Last night we were
(11:14):
able to see the first half or about the first
half together, so good game. But I walked away from
there with a couple takeaways robs both of y'all and
YouTube being shout out to YouTube number one Fred not.
We were concerned about the coordinators Ben Johnson leaving, Aaron
Glenn leaving, and rightfully so, I understand that you used
(11:36):
to lose your coordinators who were both implemental to what
you were doing. Instrumental, I should say, I understand that,
but Dagget these coordinators look good right now. They have
found a ways to put up a fifty piece on
the Bears. Mind you, that is Ben Johnson, who supposedly
knew everything about the team, knew everything they were gonna do.
He's been there all those years, he knows the roster,
(11:58):
he knows all this. It looked like they knew him
and they destroyed what he was trying to do to
a fifty something piece barbecue speaking of looked like barbecue chicken.
And Shaq will say, man, you coming to this game
against I have in a Super Bowl, you have winning
a Super Bowl and obviously a guy who competes for
an MVP every year, and guy who competes for Offensive
Player of the Year and Derrick Henry, and to come
(12:19):
in and you're able to put up thirty eight on
this team, four hundred and twenty six yards. Here's the
most important part, two hundred and twenty four rushing yards
to their eighty five rushing yards. And that includes Derrick
Henry and Lamar Jackson rushing only eighty five yards.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
So I looked at this game a couple of things.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Now do I I think the Lions have something that
I am big on.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
And you know this, You've been doing out radio with
me for a year.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
In identity, Rob, they know who they are, what they do,
how they do it, no matter who, And that, to me,
is attributed to Tan Campbell gambling. Campbell, he gambled even
when I was having heart attacks and I was rooting
for him.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
He's going for it early. Is that first quarter fourth down,
going for it.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
He ends up being three for three because that's what
they do, even to ice the game.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
They're up eight, Why would you do this? You punt it,
you're up a he goes for it.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
They throw a fourth and you know too, and it
ends up being like a twenty five yard pass.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Dan Kembll knows exactly who he is.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
He knows exactly what this team is, and you know
exactly what they're capable of doing.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
And to me, I.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Watched that game, and they look more prepared, they look
more in sync, they look more united, They play tougher,
they play faster, and I looked at them and that
was the contrast to Baltimore. Baltimore didn't look like they
knew who was gonna close. I call it ABC. If
you're in sales, anybody listening sales, know what ABC means,
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always be closing.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
And the Baltimore Ravens they don't know how to close.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
For whatever reasons, I have them going to the super Bowl,
but it makes you nervous picking them because they struggle
closing games. And you don't know if it's Lamar, you
don't know if it's John Harball, who you've mentioned in
me critic love. You don't know if it's a defense
that's gonna let them down. Defense ray Lewis rolled around
in his bed, every roll around his bed right now.
The way that defense looks this season. So I look
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at this game and I walked away looking at Dan
Campbell and looking at that Lions team saying, they know
exactly who they are and what they do. Gonna run
the ball, They're gonna smash it down, They're gonna get
after you the defensive lead. They might not have the
greatest defensive players individually, but as a collective, they're gonna
get after you, and they're gonna go for it on
fourth down. Whether you like it or love it. I
hope he changes it a little bit in the postseason.
(14:38):
That story for another day. But I just looked at
that and said, Wow, they know exactly what they are
and that's why they played well. And that's why I
still obviously have them going to the postseason. But I
was disappointed in the Ravens the way they always look frazzle.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
They don't look like they're know what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
The Lions come out, they know exactly what fourth down
they're running, They know exactly what play they're running on
third down to get to the fourth down. They know
exactly that they're going for it, and they and they
look steady. The Ravens don't look steady when they're down
or when it's closed. So when they look frazzled and
weird at times. And again, who's gonna be the person
in step? But is that John Harball in his scheme
and he's gonna change and he's gonna find a way
(15:13):
to stop the run or find a way to put
Lamar in better situations, or is Lamar gonna say screw
everybody on here, I'm gonna get it done. I walked
away like that's what. That's why we all have a
little anks with the Ravens at times, because he's the
best player. He's so skilled, so with Derrick Henry. But
you walk away like I don't know. And that was
disappointed to see from the Ravens. But great game from
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the Lions. They're exactly in a great position. You have
the Browns, you have the Bengals. If you win that
and you're up four to one right now in the season,
that is a tremendous, tremendous start, considering you lost your
coordinators and some people like when I sit next to you,
said you ain't even gonna make the postseason barbecue?
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Are you done with that lame take of the Lions?
They know exactly what did you wing?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
They knew?
Speaker 6 (15:57):
What? Did they know what they were doing against Green Bay?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
No?
Speaker 6 (16:00):
They did not.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Can they bank on two hundred and fifty yards on
the ground every week?
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Know they can?
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Do You see how easily Baltimore was able to score
on them?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
No?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
No, yes.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
And the other one is if you're gonna get a
gift fumble where you're able to cash it, and of
course that's gonna help you. I looked at this game.
I didn't come away with the Lions are great. I
came away with the Bravens have let down Lamar, the
coaches let them down. The defense they give up forty
points every night. They haven't done anything. The Lions didn't
(16:33):
do anything special that Bablodi points The defense is terrible.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
That's what I'm talking about. The fumbles costantly fumbles.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yes, the Lions got their Christmas gift and the Lions
got their Christmas wish.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
That's what this was.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
You'll look back on this and this will be the
Lion's super Bowl. This game right here, Celebrate all you
want will be the game and you'll go back and go, Man,
what happened to that team? When they beat the Ravens
in Week three and they re beat them in Baltimore?
Then I thought they were on their way and then
they all of a sudden lost to Cleveland and some
(17:13):
other game, and I didn't know what happened there. Really,
I didn't walk away with the Lions. I walked away
with how bad Baltimore played and what they didn't do,
and how they can't secure the ball, and how they
have a coach I told you who should be fired
because this is this is happens over and over and over.
How many times are we gonna see this?
Speaker 7 (17:34):
So why.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Because they have the greatest player. They have the greatest
player in the league.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Right now, That's what I want. Why I'm hot?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Why can't Lamar close? You can stop it with the Lamar,
I said, he's the best player. Why can't close the game?
They can get two hundred and fifty yards on the ground.
Wouldn't have to do with Lamore closed the game? We
have to go tackle people. Come on, why can't he
close it? You can't do anything with dad when.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
The game.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
That's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Come on for that game.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
I can't Lamar Jackson can't.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Can we hold on to the football?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Come on?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Exactly, that's a lazy take. Let's that's absolute nothing to
do with that game. He got sack seven times to
start running back, caught up another fourth quarter football that
turned into points and Mark Jackets stop on defense. Come
on with mar Jackson football and Noalys. I need him
(18:37):
to be the best player off. I need him to
make him plays the big name practicular, not make.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Radio.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
He's okay to be critical of him. It's okay. I
promise you no do it, just promise you had none
he makes. He doesn't make every play.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
He doesn't.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
Last night had nothing to do with Lamar.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Did you watch the game war?
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (19:02):
No, you didn't?
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Did too?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Then there's no way you walked away from that thinking
that Lamar Jackson played well. Nobody's questioning that he eternally
for the ninety seven percent of his games. He's gonna
play well. But what's the difference. Why do we talk
about Patrick Mahomes? Why do we talk about Josh Allen?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Give me a game.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Where Patrick's Mahomes defense gave up two hundred and fifty glad?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
How about on the ground?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
How about every single playoff game he played on a
run he was down ten and he filed a way
to win and won a Super Bowl? How about that?
Do you go hop, Lamar Jackson two hundred and fifty
yards on the ground in your court and your running back.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Cups up the ball in the fourth and you're still
in the game. Bit No, no, you can't keep doing that.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Came on that last time?
Speaker 6 (19:48):
You kid? Keep doing that? You would have to doing that.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
At some point, say Lamar Jackson, I need a bit
more from you to close games.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
Just three you No bike issue would ever come.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I watched him in San Francisco blow out the forty
nine ers on Christmas Day. I've seen plenty of games.
He's been plenty, he robbed plenty. I need you when
you're when you're not in a fun.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
Want to come.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Can you close the game?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Bar? He threw a ball Lamark Andrews last year in Buffalo,
and what did he do?
Speaker 6 (20:24):
He dropped it.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
But Lamar can't get it done. Go watch tape. Go
watch the tape. They get, watch the tape.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
They must.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
He might win it to be this year. It's okay,
Rob Lamar Jackson trying to be.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
Better and watch the game.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
And you know what funny was against against Kansas.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
City, Mars Jackson would up the two yard line if
Lamar Jackson was right there after doing Lamar. If Lamar
Jackson was saying, Hey, yo, Dub, you're right. I gotta
be better. I gotta close games out. Nobody's saying that
Derreck Henry didnt foot things. You know how many things
happened to great quarterbacks are out of game and they
can find a way. And Lamar is too talented to
(21:07):
not be able to find a way at times when
it's critical.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
At times, I.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Just think it's lazy. And this is what people do.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
You'll bang on Lamar all you want and then he'll
win and you'll change your tune.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
And I get it, No, no, no, get it.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
He's because it takes He's all you have to do
is win one. Just like John Elway couldn't win, and
he won his last two Super Bowls his last two years.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
And guess what.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
John Elway is an all time great and he was
always great. Lamar Jackson is time great, which is why
we are not buying that. If Lamar Jackson wasn't at
all to give him forty points every game, because they
lost two games and they gave up forty points and
Lamar is the reason. And you start running back fumbled
in both of those games in the fourth quarter. So
(21:50):
so Lamar is going to get me something clean.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
So guess what.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So Lamar Jackson is gonna look up and will have
played seven eight more years of amazing football, and at
some point we're gonna find every the defense did this,
His coach didn't do that. It's Derek Henry fumble dat.
At some point he has to be able to say
I have been this good. And watching that game last night,
(22:14):
there were too many moments that for the fourth when
they go for it on goal line against the Lions,
they just running players don't even they're just out there
doing stuff like they don't. They are not built, they're
not situated to absolutely go exactly what they're doing and
Lamar has to find ways. It's on him. He knows it.
If he's sitting next to me, he would say, you
are right now. Not every game. There's any games where
(22:37):
defense glets up this or Derek Henry fumbles five. But
we're saying when I need to depend on him. At
times he is faltered.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
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Speaker 3 (22:56):
Well, sticking to New York, you mentioned it rob less
than two two weeks after ESPN reported that the club
had a quote very specific strategy for Jackson Darner's development
because they viewed him in a long term like a
Patrick Mahomes Josh Allen type thing to be molded and
sculpted so we could have long term success.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
One week after Russell Wilson throws for four.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
And fifty yards and three touchdowns on the road in
Dallas in a game they should have won, the New
York Football Giants are making a change of quarterback. Out
goes Russell Wilson, Mister unlimited will be feeling very limited
on the bench in favor of rookie first round quarterback
Jackson Dart. Now you'll recall Jackson Dart in the preseason
(23:39):
was money. Completed sixty percent of his passes, three to
seventy two yards, three touchdowns, no picks. He also ran
for fifty two yards and a touchdown. He looked as
good as advertised with the store here again, once again,
Russell Wilson out Jackson dart in in the Big Apple.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
If I'm a Giants fan, I just have to look
at this Kelvin and be like, Okay, this is what
happens when you have a coach who's.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I know, he was Coach of the Year right his
first year, and since then it's been really bad.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Offense has just been abysmal, and I don't care who's
been that quarterback. And now the general manager and the
coach decide we got to do something to save ourselves,
not let's figure out what's going on. And I don't
know Jason Dart Is he gonna be good? Could he
be terrible?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
To start?
Speaker 5 (24:29):
They don't have a great offensive line. I don't know,
the running game isn't great. I just don't know what
they have. I know they got neighbors, right, I mean
is that they got him, but I just I'm not
so sure.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
And even neighbors they've dug up a quote from him.
Did you see it? What he's saying. What he's saying,
it ain't a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
This is like a quote about the Giants offense, and
you know how bad it's been, and he basically was saying,
it ain't the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I know everybody says it is, but it ain't. Uh.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
And it's surprising not that you can't make a move
or decide to make a move. Why didn't you start
the season with the kid? Why did you sign Russell Wilson?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
I just think the plans keep changing, and to me,
it feels desperate and I don't know what to expect.
It could be worse for the Giants, you.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (25:22):
With this kid without offensive line? Maybe he your fine
lightning that dad, what was his name? The Vito came.
That kid came and won a couple of games. But look,
he ain't even with the team.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
They let him go. I think he went to the Patriots.
I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
This is just the Giants seemed to be lost as
far as maybe it's time for the general manager the
coach to move on.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not mad at that that thought.
And my part was, this is why I thought they
would just go with him from the start meeting that
there is nothing there with kind of a retread of
Russell Wilson.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
And I understand it.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
You play the veteran, you give the young guy some time.
But to me, look, I you're in a division where
everybody kind of has their guy, right. The Caybo just
stuck with Deck, whether they love him or not, They're
stuck with Deck. That is their guy, just period. From
you know, for the foreseeable future. The Commanders feel they
have found their guy in Jayden Daniels, right, and then
you look at the Eagles. Clearly they had the guy
Jalen Hurt to the tune of a couple of Super
(26:14):
Bowl appearances and currently the reigning Super Bowl champ. So
to me, you need to hurry up and find your
guy if you choose to compete in this division over
the next handful of years. So I don't understand why
I was kind of blown away while they're wasting time.
And by all accounts, he's supposed to be really good
from the stuff that they've seen there in the training camp.
The stuff that they's heart, they've heard, we've heard coming
(26:34):
out of camp. And you were on vacation when we
had Charlie weiss On who obviously his son is the
quarterback coach and I want to say the offensive coordinator,
but for sure the quarterback coach there at Old Miss,
and he said that, you know, he's obviously spent some
time with him, and he was saying, how man, this
kid has it. It's not just the goods on the
on the field, it's what he asked. He asked me
interesting questions. What made Tom so great? He wanted to know.
(26:57):
I saw him in the film room and Charlie White
swears by this guy.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
He said.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
We pulled up the tweet, Rob g remember the tweet.
He had a tweet that essentially said like watch me.
And it was early, way early in college football season.
He said, Jackson Dart will be your first round pick.
I'm telling you, this kid is that good, like go
ahead is gonna say. My point is at this point,
all that we've been hearing is the buzz coming out
of camp, buzz coming out of practice. He's been playing
(27:23):
to Patrick Mahomes role as they got ready, like he's
that guy. You should have seen him looking like Patrick Mahomes.
It's just that time. Give your fan base something excited.
Let him get those lives, practice at it, understand what
the real NFL defense feels like, find some continuity with
the offensive line, find some continuity with Malik Neighbors and
the rest of that offense. And then to me let him,
you know, go through it so that he's geared up
(27:44):
and ready next year so that you can compete, let
alone in the NFC, starting with your own division.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Like Michael Pennix junior, right, who everybody had to have,
and they didn't make the playoffs because they decided to
give the kid a start and now he's not even
playing like like this is This is what I'm saying,
is what are you doing? Are you trying to develop
somebody or are you trying to win? Because the Michael
Pennix junior benching makes no sense if it if it's
(28:10):
about the future and giving your guy reps, right.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
I do agree with that. If you it.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Doesn't make sense because doing that, what are you doing?
You're going back agree with that.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
And this is what I'm saying, Like these guys are
so flaky and phony and and none of it makes
any sense to me because I don't really know what
they're doing.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Once you've made that commitment, why would you go back?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
But that means that they're not really believing in it,
And the same thing would Dart.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
We'll see, you know, like how long they stick with this?
If if it's really.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Bad and they lose six to eight in a row
or whatever and it looks like he's not ready, they'll
wind up taking him out.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
I'm telling you that.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
But that's crazy that they if he's your guy, he's
your guy, and you ride it out. Josh Allen was
a turnover machine. He wasn't great, he was very Completion
percentage was in the fifties. Now you're looking at Peyton
Manning seven or six twenties exactly like nobody. If you've
identified that whatever the traits are that you need in
your organization, we needed to be X Y Z A
(29:08):
B C D bam, bam bam.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
If he has those things, you believe he's the guy.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
You give him the full run and you know, and
that's where you need general managers trust in the coach
and being like, hey, man, I know what we're about
to be up against.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
But I believe in our pick.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I believe in what we see every day, being around
him in training camp, being around him in practice, being
around him you know when he does what he does,
And like, we're gonna ride this out, the bumps in
the bruises because we believe we've got a guy
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