September 25, 2025 • 32 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us why they have a problem with analytics websites like PFF ranking Sam Darnold as the highest graded passer in the NFL, debate whether it’s fair to call Matthew Stafford ‘one of the best to ever do it’ in NFL history, and argue whether Aaron Judge or Cal Raleigh is more deserving of the American League MVP award.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Speaking of things, You're never gonna miss Rob. You're never
gonna miss tonight's game. I'll tell you that because it
features the best quarterback in football. We're not talking about
Patrick Olamaro, Marjet We're not talking about those guys. We
don't care about Mike's return on Sunday night because the
Marquee matchup is tonight. That's because, according to Pro Football Focus,
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through the first three weeks of the NFL season, the
top rated passer none other than Sam Frickin' Darnold. He
has a PFF grade of ninety one point four as
a passer. Overall grade in PFF is a ninety one
point nine that is also tops in their scoring system.
In fact, only one other quarterback is even in the nineties.
(01:09):
That's so much he's killing the game and last, but
not least, if you don't like PFF. If you're looking
at the adjusted EPA, which is the trendy stat that
all the nerds like to talk about. You know who's
leading the NFL in that one, Sam freaking Donald with
a ninety nine overall. Long story short, the best quarterback
in football according to all the nerds, Sam Donald's.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Can I say a bad word on the radio or not?
Just get yeah you ready? You know me? Or I'll
just bleeping for you let me look at you and
then you say I bleep ghos.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
When it comes to the PFF, I'm gonna fupff. How's
that okay? Because I'm not buying into it. And this
is what happens when the nerds get to control these
websites and all these things would overanalyzed stuff. They're gonna
sit here and try to convince you what you're watching
(02:04):
Kelvin is not correct and that Sam Donald is the
best quarterback in the NFL. Are you PFF you kidding me?
I'm just serious. Like, if I had to put my
finger on it, I'd have to wash it because it stinks.
If I went to the bank, it would be like
getting three dollar bills when I've changed twenty Like, none
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of this makes any sense.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Lamar Jackson is off to the.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Greatest start in three game for a quarterback and he's
not even in the top ten. They have to they
have to try to convince you that they're smarter than you.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
What you're watching on TV. You don't know what you're watching.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
They're not watching the guy who has the best quarterback
rating in the history of the National freaking Football League.
They're gonna tell me that Sam Donald and Marcus Mariota
are the two best quarterbacks in the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
F upff. I'm just giving you a letters.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
I know.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah. Franklin University, exactly, Yeah, Fairleigh Dickinson University. They went
there to.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Exactly, come on, man, be better than this. This is
for them to be able to hold on their jobs
and prove that you don't know what you're watching?
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Sam Donald, who won fourteen games and couldn't get a
contract with the team he played for because you know,
they don't know what they're watching.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
He's obviously the best quarterback in the league. He shot it.
He should have got a ten year, three hundred million
dollar contract.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
According to pfff U or whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I don't even know what it is. Don't go to
that website.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
If they honestly believe that Sam Ronald McDonald is the
best quarterback in the National Football League, can we stop
the idea that Sam Donald Marcus Mariota are the two
best quarterbacks and according to their standards.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Calvin, please, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Well, listen, what you just talked about, Rob is another
test that they forgot, and that is the eyeball test.
Sometimes you can overtest me, you can put the sat
ACTPC tpff T. The fact of the matter is sometimes
the eyeball test is simply just sitting right in your face.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
People. Now, let me break down a couple of things
for you.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Number One, I'm convinced this was mister and missus mc
donald's test. I'm convinced it was his mom and dad
who did this test, so they can put their son
first or something. Now, Sam Donald has played well last year,
earned himself some money, and is doing perfectly fine this year.
But I bring out some things. Sam Donald is not
in the following. He's not in the top ten of QBR,
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he's not in the top ten of rating, he's not
in the top ten of yards. He's not in the
top ten of touchdowns. In fact, he's only seventh in completion percentage.
And guess what he is at attempts twenty eighth twenty
You know what, I would be pretty good at doing
something I ain't got to do a lot of. If
I ain't gonna pass the ball a lot, well, Naga,
I might end up being all right on your test.
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Twenty eighth in attempts for a starter is crazy. So
I'm confused. We've got too many numbers. We got this test,
this stat gone too far. He's because what you do
when you do this. Now I have to knock Sam Donald,
who was perfectly fine. He's off to two and one.
His team is happy. They're like what they're doing, They're
like their chances tonight. Great for Sam Darnal. I was saying,
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keep them in Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
You know what I mean. You and I debated that.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
But when you put out things like this, you make
me now have to sound like I'm knocking him down
because of the acertainty of the statement and then where
they place him.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
But this is where these guys, I'm dead serious. They're
trying to show how much smarter they are what you're watching.
You don't know what you're watching seeing.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
The corner blitz of the left side on a Tuesday
angle of the fifth of the release of the one
point seven second Listen, he's not and and just from
simply watching football, as we've now done for three weeks.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
He is not playing better than Justin Herbert. He's not
playing and now I'm not even gonna mention Lamar. He's
not the greatest start of a three game that start
of an NFL quarterbacks not playing better than josh Adam Lamar.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
He's not playing better than Matthew Stafford. He's not playing
better than Jared Goff. He's not playing in a handful
of guys. And that's perfectly fine for him. His team
is happy, he's happy, they're winning great. But the idea,
you can't sell me this, Come on, this is a woof,
This is a wolf taking iron buying it and and
it's and they've gone too far with trying to outscience
us and out and out specify us and make sure
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you don't understand what you're see when you're seeing it's
like Moneyball already brought in the guy Jonah Hill, and
he was breaking down all the numbers and the number
the numbers, like, all right, easy, because I'm watching for this,
Justin Herbert.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
This is the way to make it for them. This
is the way to make a job for them. I'm
telling you, like, they have to give you some So.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You say, Revenge of the Nerds, like the movie. Ass
that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
What it they are right now, Rogerie, Revenge of the
Nerds twenty two, That's what this is.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Revenge of the Nerds twenty two.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
They're trying to convince you that you don't know what
you're watching, and they know more than you know.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
And you had the eye test. Doesn't matter. We don't care.
We don't care.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
If Lamar as nine touchdowns and no pick, we don't care.
He's not the best quarterback. Oh okay, really And that's
not the numbers. I'm just doing, right, That's that's.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
All's nobody who's watching right now and is not seeing
what Lamar, Josh Allen, Matthew Stafford, Justin Herbert, Jared Goff,
these guys are doing.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
They're put there having really really good seasons thus far.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Baker Mayfield as well, Sorry, Rogie Baker Mayfield, My bad.
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Speaker 3 (09:01):
Well, very quietly, one of the most important and big
games of the weekend is this upcoming Rams Colts game
because the Culture three and oh the Rams are two
and one. They look like one of the best teams
in football for about three and a half quarters and
they blew it there in Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah, bad loss, bad.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
This game is very big long term for the NFL season.
And you mentioned that Shane Sneiken met with the media
earlier today. He was asked about Matthew Stafford and how
is it he's able to play at such a high
level at the ripe age of thirty seven. Take a
listen to this doozy.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
I think he's one of the best probably to ever
do it. And I think he has a physicality about him,
like he's tough as it gets. I mean, you see
him taking shots and he gets up and he ain't
coming out of the game. And that's respect there, you
know right away, just seeing that. But I think he
can make all the throws, you know, I think he
does a great job at seeing it. I mean, like
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I said, he makes a big plays.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
With his arm.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
And when you got a guy that's done it at a
high level for a long time, He's seen a lot
of different looks and so getting them out of the plays.
He's been doing that for a long time. But I mean,
just the most respect for him.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Just once again, a total like what are these guys smoking?
These coaches and whatnot. I know, you want to give
the other guy some kind words or whatever. Stafford has
played a long time. I watched his very first game
in Detroit. I covered most of his career. Okay, so
I've watched him play. But to consider him as one
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of the greatest who has ever done it, this reminds
me of these young kids who think Paul George is
their goat. Matthew Stafford is Paul George with a lucky
championship that he was able to get, you know, late
in his career. None of the numbers or anything you
talk about with Matthew Stafford add up.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
None of it.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
There's a reason he was called stat Padford in Detroit.
It were down twenty one to nothing, prevent defense. They
let you throw in front of him. You notice you
watched it, and he piled up numbers and what not,
and they lost and they will lose all the time.
And I'm just saying, those are the numbers that Stafford has.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
They weren't any.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
I don't know if Stafford played for real. I'm not
sure he played ten games that mattered in his entire
career in Detroit. And I'm talking about the three playoff
games and maybe a couple of seasons the first game
of the year, you know what I mean, where something
was on the line. I'm dead serious, Like, I'm not
so sure he played ten games in his career that
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mattered before he came to Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Here's the issue I have in this long career.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Always a Tier two quarterback, right only I think one
time was he ever even considered a Tier one quarterback.
And I can't dispute that two time Pro Bowler one time,
I know he was an alternate on the Pro Bowl.
Has a losing record as a starter ten one, fourteen
and one in the playoffs, five and five and one
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in five outside of that Super Bowl run, you know
what I mean. And let's not forget the Rams went
to the Super Bowl with Jared Goff before he got there.
They weren't like an also ran or downtry out an
organization and the Messiah showed up and got him there.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
So none of this stuff makes any sense to me.
I get it.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
You fall in love with the arm and some of
the other attributes, which is fine to say that he
can sling the football and he does a lot of
things well or whatever, but one of the greatest, one
of the best, who ever did it. I just think
it's overblown and people just toss around the idea of
who's great. How could you even consider him one of
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the greatest whoever done it? He has a losing record
two Pro Bowls. I don't know. I'll ask you, Rob G.
Can you look this up? Has he ever gotten one
vote for MVP? I'm serious, In all these years he
played in the National Football I don't think he's gotten
actually one vote.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Be surprised he got maybe one one of those years
where he put up forty five hundred cars.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
But I'm I'm if I was a betting man right now,
I say he's never gotten.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Even one m that's possible. So here.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
So Matthew Stafford is one of those guys that, again
we've talked about in other sports, Kyrie Irving. You mentioned
Paul George, but I'll go Kyrie Irving one time champ.
But because of circumstances, it's gonna be hard to explain
his full story.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
I'll give you another guy.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
But at least Kyrie had like a big shot in
a big moment, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And we know Kyrie is Kyrie, but it's gonna be
hard because you'll name so many other guys you'll put
above him that if you didn't really see it, you'll
be hard to explain. Now, Matthew Stafford, I think why
people love him, Why he's your favorite quarterback's favorite quarterback
or quarterbacks of the past.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
They drew all over him. Offensive coordinator Sean McVay.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
While he was like, we're not gonna ride with Jared
Goff's young guy, he believes, like get out of here,
we can get Matthew Stafford. The reason does a couple
of reasons why, And sometimes I think in any thing
you want to go where it could be music he
could be movies. There's an adoration that people have for somebody.
Part of it is their circumstances. And I think there's
a lot of people who look at Matthew Stafford, you know,
the people who study the game and know the game,
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they say, man, if that guy was in place X
or had the same opportunities as Joe blow Man, what
would he do? He makes every throw and you know this,
he his arm angles and throws was ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
He can throw a.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Ball up under, over, sideways, switch hand, left hand, no looks.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
And he's big. He's strong, I mean, he's his big arm.
He's tough, he stays in games.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And I think there's a part of guys who watch
him and say, man, if he was only in a
Kyle Shanahan system for a decade, if he was only.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
With Andy Reid.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Andy Reid got Kevin Cobb, make Kevin Cobb look like
a thing. He brought Michael Vick from prison to the
comeback Player of the Year down. Then mcnav stayed in
the NFC Championship Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Who go to bad situations? Okay, Michael Jordan went to
the Chicago Bulls, terrible organization. Go look it up before
he showed up. Okay, really bad. They hadn't won anything. Yeah,
and Reggie Theas and all those guys. That's all I'm saying.
There are plenty of guys. Peyton Manning went to Indianapolis.
I could go on and on and on. Not the
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best situation, not the best circumstance. You can't always use
that for everybody. There are people who changed the organization.
Joe Burrow. They could not win a playoff game in Cincinnati, right,
people were saying, don't go to Cincinnati, Joe Burrow, you
don't deserve that. You deserve better. And what did he
do with second year? He took them to the super Bowl.
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That's what I'm trying to say, is that then that's why.
And Calvin Johnson and Domakan sue Nick fairly like, they
had some players that are top five defense. To let
the year they lost to Dallas in the playoffs, go
look it up.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
You remember that.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Year was throwing humans around. I'm saying you remember that
that but that year they had a really good defense.
So no, so the guys you name, I'm glad you
named them because Michael Jordan was just scoring a bunch
of pointless points until he got Phil Jackson. Peyton Manning
was just throwing a bunch of touchdowns till he got
Tony Dungee and they created a team. And that's the point.
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People who watch Matthew Stafford say, man, if only he
had a situation that And I'm just telling you why
people put him say that he had no control of anything.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
But this is where I'm gonna push back.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
It ain't the minute he got the team, because they
had already had successful this wet they had already gone
to the super Bowl. And I'm gonna tell you this,
and I want you to go look it up. If
what's that kid's name, se Qusskey Tart or whatever his
name is, to Cosskey Tart, if he catches that interception
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and the and the Rams lose that game, Matthew like
his narrative about Matthew Stafford is night and day, cause
it was right on Q. Matthew Stafford through a game
winning touchdown in the Super Bowl and didn't get the
Super Bowl MVP. You know why because he had two
interceptions in that game as well.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
And that's all I'm trying to tell you. Listen, so
said he's.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
One play away one play from being garbage.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
One play. We know we can one play it for
to death. We know that.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I'm telling you going back to making the change. This
is why I disagree with you on this one. Matthew
Stafford came into an OH TO sixteen team and he
didn't eli manning it. He didn't should do her. Maybe
I won't go play there. He didn't do any of that.
Matthew Stafford embrace and I remember, obviously I'm watching his
fan I'm like, who are we gonna drive? And they
kept saying this kid out of Georgia, kid out of Georgia,
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Matthew Staffords a guy, kid out of Georgia.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Matthew Staff's a guy. I'm like, all right. And anytime
they would ask him, the Lions have been futrid, The
Lions suck, the Lions aren't good.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It's been a bad organization. Why would you want to
go there? Why would you want to go there? He said,
I want to be a part of the change. And
for the most part they were a team you had
to beat with him. They made the postseason a few
times with him. They wasn't doing that before him. And
you know that you were there, What do you mean
they weren't doing that. If there was a long period
where the Lions sucked and didn't even make the postseason
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for a long time before Matthew Stafford got there.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
But this is so what I'm saying all the play.
But they were bad and they got a lot of
great players.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Calvin Johnson, they had a first top pick for year
after year after year.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
One of them is no longer winning, Charles Rogers. They
were just picking people receiver at the receivt Roy Williams. They
were picking receiver.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Here's the other thing that doesn't bode well. Look at
the other guys, Matthew Stafford with the two Pro Bowls,
Derek Carr four, Andy Dalton three, Kirk Cousins four.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
And every person.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You tell me if I'm wrong, you would take Matthew
Stafford out of everybody you just.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Named, No on that list would you take over?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
And not at the time when they played, because there
were there's a lot of had Matthew Stafford that I
was there every Sunday. I was there every Sunday. No, No,
you're doing it after the feed. No, in real time. No,
it doesn't matter like Stafford. You're looking at Matthew Stafford
after no, yes, you are, dude.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Matthew Stafford has been he has been your favorite and
now analyst and and Nalys says breakdown quarterback of the quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
The people love matter. He threw a.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Ton of big interceptions again for with the Lions, Are
you kidding?
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I was watching in one season ever because his teams
were down because they weren't great, and he found a
way to get them back eight comebacks and wins. Players
don't have that in their tire fifteen.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
The problem is there were situations where they could have
beat Green Bay. The last game of the season at home,
he has a terrible game. I could go and document
all these games. There's a reason that people went along
with that nickname staff Padford because most of his stats
came late.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
They didn't come when the game was in fluxd. I
saw too many come back I watched all these games.
He won games they shouldn't have won. That's why, like
when they called him the cardiac Cats, because they knew
how to come back.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Look Matthew Stafford again.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I think the benefit he has is people say, if
you put him in a winning situation, what happened? He
got to one and he won that situation in the postseason.
In the postseason with Sean McVay, I know he is
what he is and run and people saw him right.
He made a horrible Futriot franchise solid, they weren't great.
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He made them solid and competitive for so long and
then he goes to it they weren't.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Competitive to me, I were They lost twenty three twenty
three straight road games when.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
The same Matthew Stafford that had them in the postseason
handful of times, but I.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Know times years, three times. Matthew Stafford to go to
the playoffs all the time, Garry Sanders, Wayne Fons, they
went every other year to.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
The postseason, and they stopped at about ninety ninety eight.
And we ain't go back to about what twenty eleven.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Literally, I think that's what it was.
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Speaker 3 (21:24):
Speaking of hits, ROGI, speaking of hits, the Big Dumpy
did it again? Rob Park, I know you don't want
to hear it. God, my man, his single.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
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Speaker 3 (21:37):
All right, cal Rally hit his sixtieth homer of the
season last night for the marriag They play Agains tonight
in about forty minutes.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Oh god, it was so good. We did it, Oh Gode.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
They clinched the Al West crown in the process. And now,
according to Lamar Mitchell, friend of the show, bet MGM,
cal Rally has officially surpassed Aaron Judge as the betting favorite.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Who was that am in the other l MVP Award?
Was that me? All rise for the big dumper. He's
gonna win it. He is gonna win it.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
A few reasons why, Rob, I know MLB bro ain't
trying to hear it because you need to know.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
But dang it, this is why he's gonna win.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Number one, we know baseball is big on numbers, where
baseball is big on history, and he keeps doing too
many things. Number one, you start to look at these numbers.
So he sets the most home runs for a primary
catcher with forty eight.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
He said.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
You see he used the word primary because he doesn't
always catch primary.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Okay, go ahead, No what for him, it's for everybody else? No,
I'm just good the primary he did that back in August.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Then he went ahead and did the most home runs
by switch hitter, fifty five of them.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And then you over all, right, claud that's good enough. No,
I'm gonna go ahead and knock out the franchise record,
and fifty six he did that. And you know what
was funny.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yesterday, right as you and I were getting off the air,
he hits one. Somebody screams in the building, Hey, hit one,
And what do you say? Do you remember what you
said yesterday? He said he's got to hit two to
catch up with Hey, that's why you're laughing. You say
you got to hit two to catch up with Judge,
and you walked out the door feeling good about yourself. Well,
he hit another one and said what Aaron D can do?
(23:18):
I can do better? And hit another one, and so listen,
he's got more home runs. He's doing something that you
know how difficult it is to play catcher. You know
how difficult it is to play that position. The abuse
you take, the battle. He might need a few of leaves.
Its bad on your knees, is bad on your joints.
Got a stiff back. And again he's also doing stuff
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you don't get metrics for it. They don't give awards
and stats for where you're talking about the way he's
framing for his pitcher. All of a sudden that theff
let me get my PFF on that.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Now he's framing. Okay, okay, he's a top number one
one is a let me frame my point of view.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So no, I think hes because what he's doing for
that team, by the way, clinching their division as well.
On the night you hit two home runs, I think
that kind of sealed the deal for him. It's gonna
be very close. You know, if it was boxing, it
gonna be a ten to nine. But I think he's
gonna add him out again because what he's doing for
that position, the number in what he's doing, he might
end the season win sixty.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
All you have is qualifiers for that position. It should
just be that.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
It's spectactical sixty one period, but the period next two
should be just put period period period is miss Mary
Mack was here period.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
He's bugging sixty home runs, probably gonna end up with
sixty two.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
No, No, he has sixty. Do not give him any
ex He still got three. Is gonna hit nine in
the next three year?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Is that cool, he settled down. Now you even get
taken care of. But he's gonna win this thing. That
sealed it to me when Aaron Judges had a great game.
We're sitting right here celebrating he got two and then
he said hold on, brouh, hold my beer and hit
two more. We're talking about what he's doing defensively as well,
and again historically great, doing something we haven't seen from
that position ever. Uh, And I just think those things
are gonna go in his favorite it's gonna be very close.
(25:01):
Aaron Judges absolutely deserves of it. And that's what's happened
over the last handful of years. You get guys where
Aaron Judge shoe hail Tani deserved it, but Aaron Judge
hit to sixty one and so Aaron Judge deserved it.
So they're doing things at historic rates and both of
them have been great. But I just think the big Dumper,
which is out of the blue, off of sudden his nickname,
is huge, and I think he's done enough to secure
(25:22):
it again when you look at what the amount of
home runs the position he plays, setting franchise records and
doing it all at the sake of actually winning too.
That's the key part as well. I think he just
locked it up yesterday. Totally disagree.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
If you look at Aaron Judge, war ops, what is
it good for batting average? He's going to be He's
gonna win a batting title where guys the big dumpers
at batting average is like two point fifty. Aaron Judges three.
In a league where two forty two is the average
batting average. Aaron Judge has a three twenty two batting average.
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He's gonna win a batting title, which you don't see
the power.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
And to be able to hit for a average, which
is special. He had over fifty home runs.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Only the fourth player in baseball history to hit fifty
or more in four different seasons. Okay, only three other
guys have done it, and they're all very special, all
great Hall of Fame players as Aaron Judge. And on
the podcast Inside the Parker which dropped earlier today, we
(26:31):
had Chris Young, the former outfielder for the Arizona Diamondbacks,
who made a great point and he said, if you
look at Cal's numbers and you applied those to Aaron Judge,
it would be an off year. You would actually look
at those and say Aaron Judge had an off year
(26:52):
and people are just trying to bake in. If he
wasn't a catcher and he was an outfielder like Aaron Judge,
would would be this conversation. I'm asking you if he
was not a catcher most probably not, No, it would not.
It's not probably listens and home runs in RBI, Okay,
but there are other stats other than those two, and
(27:15):
Aaron Judge has all of them.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
It's not even all off. He's first and all of them.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
And Aaron Judge also missed nine or ten games with injury.
I'm not making an excuse. He has more home runs.
He has now. If he gets sixty three home runs
and breaks the record, right then we have a conversation.
Then then you could say he just set a reker
all time record most home runs in the American League.
I can see people voting for him without the record.
(27:42):
I don't think it's closed all right. Now, here's my pushback.
Don't he already has the record. He has the record
for the most from a catcher, he has the record
for the most from the period. He's already knocking down records.
Aaron Jones didn't have the record for the most for
him outfielder. He had the record for the most if
if Cal has the most.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
But he doesn't have to do that when the season
because about Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Judge isn't doing It's not
like Aaron Judge has it where right now and he's like,
I gotta go catch him.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
But why does he always have to be about just
a catcher. I know, I get that, and I hear
you that's what it shouldint. But shouldn't just be that
because I'm telling you, if he was the third basement
or any other position, he wouldn't even be in the
running for MVP.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
That's the point you have to contest. Look at his framing.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Nobody recognized his framing last year, but now because he
has sixty bombs, look at his framing.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Can you imagine? Can you magine squatting for nine inn Yesterday?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I had to talk to you about some smuckers and
some Jiffy cad to a peanut butter and jelly on
you to make you understand that shoe hey o Tanny
was the best player in baseball because they get these
two things go together. Grew one of the top two
three hitters in baseball, one of the better pitchers in baseball.
You put him together, he's the best player. My point
is it's contextualizing. It's because of what Shohy does all
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around and pitching and hitting, and he can steal bases
and all of that, so it's the same thing. It's
the fact that he is a catcher, because catchers don't
do this normally, so contextualizing. So you can't say, what
if he was a third well we see with third
basement I would outfitters.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
But and he again, you can't leave. You can't be doing.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
This from a position that domesn't normally do it and
then also be doing it leading the ALE, and RBIs
leading the AL and home runs and on a night
where you need to run fifty? Is that MVP can
name me an MVP will hit two fifty. Fifty is
not great, there's no note great. Give me an MVP.
The fact that he's above average is crazy.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
But my idea is that you would be hard pressed
to find an MVP in any league that batted two fifty.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
But do you see them mvns that man is playing catcher.
You know how hard it is to play that position.
You notice you've been covering the league since nineteen eighty six.
There you go, Yeah, I sit next year one year
before I know Unfortunately, I know this. I hear you
say it every day. You've been covered as nineteen eighty six.
You know catchers how grueling it is on them. And
so for him to explode with these numbers, explode with
this team's success Clinton Division the first time since two
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thousand and one, on a night that they do it.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
He hits two home runs.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
To me, that was and we also talk about this
all the time in MVPs in any sports, having those
monumental moments, that's a huge thing to Clint the division.
To night you hit two home runs when your foe
in this case, the guy also trying to do it,
hit two home runs.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
And you do that.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Mind you, by the way, you mentioned the sixty three
home runs. That ain't crazy. Just hit two last night.
It's got a few games lest before the end of
the season. He might mess around and do that the
paces he's on. So I just think again, when you're
looking at somebody in a position that's been around for
one hundred and fifty years and now you do something
better than anyone else in the one hundred and fifty years.
That is a nod to you and in great consideration
(30:54):
that you win. In last point for me, sometimes in
life you're a victim of your own success, and that
might be Aaron Judge. Where Aaron Judge, that's not fair.
Let's just agree.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Look at his numbers accoudible, like he's not just a
power hitter batting.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
That's why agree.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
That's why Kyle Schwarber won't win the MVP because because
he hits two forty, he has fifty four bombs for
Facilly's gonna run away with it, right, and nobody's going
well Kyle Schwarber, look at his fifty four home runs. No,
because he does the batting average and the other stuff.
This is just strictly because everybody wants to give wants
to give the catcher some extra love, like they deserve
(31:35):
extra ketchup on the front fries.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I'm sorry, I like a little honey mustard barbecue mixer
French fries. Boom boom, boom boom.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Nothing but salt on hot fries. Not even ketchup. No ketchup.
That's one thing you and my wife have in common.
No ketchup. I don't ketchup. On fries, honey muster and barbecue.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
So you just like to eat the honey, mustard and barbecue,
and you're just using it. My buddy Gary in college,
that's what he used to do.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Gary.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
All he did was he would get ten packs of ketchup,
pour him onto up onto his plate, and use the
French fries to be able to eat the ketchup. I said, like,
like I was just saying, he goes, I'm not a
big in.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
The French fries. I just like that.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
I love some fries, but it doesn't make sense to
try to spoon ketch up and just eat it.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
He couldn't do that. He couldn't do it.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Speaking of things, You're never gonna miss Rob. You're never
gonna miss tonight's game. I'll tell you that because it
features the best quarterback in football. We're not talking about
Patrick Olamaro, Marjet We're not talking about those guys. We
don't care about Mike's return on Sunday night because the
Marquee matchup is tonight. That's because, according to Pro Football Focus,
(00:46):
through the first three weeks of the NFL season, the
top rated passer none other than Sam Frickin' Darnold. He
has a PFF grade of ninety one point four as
a passer. Overall grade in PFF is a ninety one
point nine that is also tops in their scoring system.
In fact, only one other quarterback is even in the nineties.
(01:09):
That's so much he's killing the game and last, but
not least, if you don't like PFF. If you're looking
at the adjusted EPA, which is the trendy stat that
all the nerds like to talk about. You know who's
leading the NFL in that one, Sam freaking Donald with
a ninety nine overall. Long story short, the best quarterback
in football according to all the nerds, Sam Donald's.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Can I say a bad word on the radio or not?
Just get yeah you ready? You know me? Or I'll
just bleeping for you let me look at you and
then you say I bleep ghos.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
When it comes to the PFF, I'm gonna fupff. How's
that okay? Because I'm not buying into it. And this
is what happens when the nerds get to control these
websites and all these things would overanalyzed stuff. They're gonna
sit here and try to convince you what you're watching
(02:04):
Kelvin is not correct and that Sam Donald is the
best quarterback in the NFL. Are you PFF you kidding me?
I'm just serious. Like, if I had to put my
finger on it, I'd have to wash it because it stinks.
If I went to the bank, it would be like
getting three dollar bills when I've changed twenty Like, none
(02:27):
of this makes any sense.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Lamar Jackson is off to the.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Greatest start in three game for a quarterback and he's
not even in the top ten. They have to they
have to try to convince you that they're smarter than you.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
What you're watching on TV. You don't know what you're watching.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
They're not watching the guy who has the best quarterback
rating in the history of the National freaking Football League.
They're gonna tell me that Sam Donald and Marcus Mariota
are the two best quarterbacks in the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
F upff. I'm just giving you a letters.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
I know.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah. Franklin University, exactly, Yeah, Fairleigh Dickinson University. They went
there to.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Exactly, come on, man, be better than this. This is
for them to be able to hold on their jobs
and prove that you don't know what you're watching?
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Sam Donald, who won fourteen games and couldn't get a
contract with the team he played for because you know,
they don't know what they're watching.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
He's obviously the best quarterback in the league. He shot it.
He should have got a ten year, three hundred million
dollar contract.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
According to pfff U or whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I don't even know what it is. Don't go to
that website.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
If they honestly believe that Sam Ronald McDonald is the
best quarterback in the National Football League, can we stop
the idea that Sam Donald Marcus Mariota are the two
best quarterbacks and according to their standards.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Calvin, please, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Well, listen, what you just talked about, Rob is another
test that they forgot, and that is the eyeball test.
Sometimes you can overtest me, you can put the sat
ACTPC tpff T. The fact of the matter is sometimes
the eyeball test is simply just sitting right in your face.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
People. Now, let me break down a couple of things
for you.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Number One, I'm convinced this was mister and missus mc
donald's test. I'm convinced it was his mom and dad
who did this test, so they can put their son
first or something. Now, Sam Donald has played well last year,
earned himself some money, and is doing perfectly fine this year.
But I bring out some things. Sam Donald is not
in the following. He's not in the top ten of QBR,
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he's not in the top ten of rating, he's not
in the top ten of yards. He's not in the
top ten of touchdowns. In fact, he's only seventh in completion percentage.
And guess what he is at attempts twenty eighth twenty
You know what, I would be pretty good at doing
something I ain't got to do a lot of. If
I ain't gonna pass the ball a lot, well, Naga,
I might end up being all right on your test.
(05:18):
Twenty eighth in attempts for a starter is crazy. So
I'm confused. We've got too many numbers. We got this test,
this stat gone too far. He's because what you do
when you do this. Now I have to knock Sam Donald,
who was perfectly fine. He's off to two and one.
His team is happy. They're like what they're doing, They're
like their chances tonight. Great for Sam Darnal. I was saying,
(05:40):
keep them in Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
You know what I mean. You and I debated that.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
But when you put out things like this, you make
me now have to sound like I'm knocking him down
because of the acertainty of the statement and then where
they place him.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
But this is where these guys, I'm dead serious. They're
trying to show how much smarter they are what you're watching.
You don't know what you're watching seeing.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
The corner blitz of the left side on a Tuesday
angle of the fifth of the release of the one
point seven second Listen, he's not and and just from
simply watching football, as we've now done for three weeks.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
He is not playing better than Justin Herbert. He's not
playing and now I'm not even gonna mention Lamar. He's
not the greatest start of a three game that start
of an NFL quarterbacks not playing better than josh Adam Lamar.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
He's not playing better than Matthew Stafford. He's not playing
better than Jared Goff. He's not playing in a handful
of guys. And that's perfectly fine for him. His team
is happy, he's happy, they're winning great. But the idea,
you can't sell me this, Come on, this is a woof,
This is a wolf taking iron buying it and and
it's and they've gone too far with trying to outscience
us and out and out specify us and make sure
(06:47):
you don't understand what you're see when you're seeing it's
like Moneyball already brought in the guy Jonah Hill, and
he was breaking down all the numbers and the number
the numbers, like, all right, easy, because I'm watching for this,
Justin Herbert.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
This is the way to make it for them. This
is the way to make a job for them. I'm
telling you, like, they have to give you some So.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You say, Revenge of the Nerds, like the movie. Ass
that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
What it they are right now, Rogerie, Revenge of the
Nerds twenty two, That's what this is.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Revenge of the Nerds twenty two.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
They're trying to convince you that you don't know what
you're watching, and they know more than you know.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
And you had the eye test. Doesn't matter. We don't care.
We don't care.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
If Lamar as nine touchdowns and no pick, we don't care.
He's not the best quarterback. Oh okay, really And that's
not the numbers. I'm just doing, right, That's that's.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
All's nobody who's watching right now and is not seeing
what Lamar, Josh Allen, Matthew Stafford, Justin Herbert, Jared Goff,
these guys are doing.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
They're put there having really really good seasons thus far.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Baker Mayfield as well, Sorry, Rogie Baker Mayfield, My bad.
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Speaker 3 (09:01):
Well, very quietly, one of the most important and big
games of the weekend is this upcoming Rams Colts game
because the Culture three and oh the Rams are two
and one. They look like one of the best teams
in football for about three and a half quarters and
they blew it there in Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah, bad loss, bad.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
This game is very big long term for the NFL season.
And you mentioned that Shane Sneiken met with the media
earlier today. He was asked about Matthew Stafford and how
is it he's able to play at such a high
level at the ripe age of thirty seven. Take a
listen to this doozy.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
I think he's one of the best probably to ever
do it. And I think he has a physicality about him,
like he's tough as it gets. I mean, you see
him taking shots and he gets up and he ain't
coming out of the game. And that's respect there, you
know right away, just seeing that. But I think he
can make all the throws, you know, I think he
does a great job at seeing it. I mean, like
(09:51):
I said, he makes a big plays.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
With his arm.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
And when you got a guy that's done it at a
high level for a long time, He's seen a lot
of different looks and so getting them out of the plays.
He's been doing that for a long time. But I mean,
just the most respect for him.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Just once again, a total like what are these guys smoking?
These coaches and whatnot. I know, you want to give
the other guy some kind words or whatever. Stafford has
played a long time. I watched his very first game
in Detroit. I covered most of his career. Okay, so
I've watched him play. But to consider him as one
(10:27):
of the greatest who has ever done it, this reminds
me of these young kids who think Paul George is
their goat. Matthew Stafford is Paul George with a lucky
championship that he was able to get, you know, late
in his career. None of the numbers or anything you
talk about with Matthew Stafford add up.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
None of it.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
There's a reason he was called stat Padford in Detroit.
It were down twenty one to nothing, prevent defense. They
let you throw in front of him. You notice you
watched it, and he piled up numbers and what not,
and they lost and they will lose all the time.
And I'm just saying, those are the numbers that Stafford has.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
They weren't any.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
I don't know if Stafford played for real. I'm not
sure he played ten games that mattered in his entire
career in Detroit. And I'm talking about the three playoff
games and maybe a couple of seasons the first game
of the year, you know what I mean, where something
was on the line. I'm dead serious, Like, I'm not
so sure he played ten games in his career that
(11:27):
mattered before he came to Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Here's the issue I have in this long career.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Always a Tier two quarterback, right only I think one
time was he ever even considered a Tier one quarterback.
And I can't dispute that two time Pro Bowler one time,
I know he was an alternate on the Pro Bowl.
Has a losing record as a starter ten one, fourteen
and one in the playoffs, five and five and one
(12:00):
in five outside of that Super Bowl run, you know
what I mean. And let's not forget the Rams went
to the Super Bowl with Jared Goff before he got there.
They weren't like an also ran or downtry out an
organization and the Messiah showed up and got him there.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
So none of this stuff makes any sense to me.
I get it.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
You fall in love with the arm and some of
the other attributes, which is fine to say that he
can sling the football and he does a lot of
things well or whatever, but one of the greatest, one
of the best, who ever did it. I just think
it's overblown and people just toss around the idea of
who's great. How could you even consider him one of
(12:41):
the greatest whoever done it? He has a losing record
two Pro Bowls. I don't know. I'll ask you, Rob G.
Can you look this up? Has he ever gotten one
vote for MVP? I'm serious, In all these years he
played in the National Football I don't think he's gotten
actually one vote.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Be surprised he got maybe one one of those years
where he put up forty five hundred cars.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
But I'm I'm if I was a betting man right now,
I say he's never gotten.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Even one m that's possible. So here.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
So Matthew Stafford is one of those guys that, again
we've talked about in other sports, Kyrie Irving. You mentioned
Paul George, but I'll go Kyrie Irving one time champ.
But because of circumstances, it's gonna be hard to explain
his full story.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
I'll give you another guy.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
But at least Kyrie had like a big shot in
a big moment, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And we know Kyrie is Kyrie, but it's gonna be
hard because you'll name so many other guys you'll put
above him that if you didn't really see it, you'll
be hard to explain. Now, Matthew Stafford, I think why
people love him, Why he's your favorite quarterback's favorite quarterback
or quarterbacks of the past.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
They drew all over him. Offensive coordinator Sean McVay.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
While he was like, we're not gonna ride with Jared
Goff's young guy, he believes, like get out of here,
we can get Matthew Stafford. The reason does a couple
of reasons why, And sometimes I think in any thing
you want to go where it could be music he
could be movies. There's an adoration that people have for somebody.
Part of it is their circumstances. And I think there's
a lot of people who look at Matthew Stafford, you know,
the people who study the game and know the game,
(14:11):
they say, man, if that guy was in place X
or had the same opportunities as Joe blow Man, what
would he do? He makes every throw and you know this,
he his arm angles and throws was ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
He can throw a.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Ball up under, over, sideways, switch hand, left hand, no looks.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
And he's big. He's strong, I mean, he's his big arm.
He's tough, he stays in games.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And I think there's a part of guys who watch
him and say, man, if he was only in a
Kyle Shanahan system for a decade, if he was only.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
With Andy Reid.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Andy Reid got Kevin Cobb, make Kevin Cobb look like
a thing. He brought Michael Vick from prison to the
comeback Player of the Year down. Then mcnav stayed in
the NFC Championship Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Who go to bad situations? Okay, Michael Jordan went to
the Chicago Bulls, terrible organization. Go look it up before
he showed up. Okay, really bad. They hadn't won anything. Yeah,
and Reggie Theas and all those guys. That's all I'm saying.
There are plenty of guys. Peyton Manning went to Indianapolis.
I could go on and on and on. Not the
(15:16):
best situation, not the best circumstance. You can't always use
that for everybody. There are people who changed the organization.
Joe Burrow. They could not win a playoff game in Cincinnati, right,
people were saying, don't go to Cincinnati, Joe Burrow, you
don't deserve that. You deserve better. And what did he
do with second year? He took them to the super Bowl.
(15:38):
That's what I'm trying to say, is that then that's why.
And Calvin Johnson and Domakan sue Nick fairly like, they
had some players that are top five defense. To let
the year they lost to Dallas in the playoffs, go
look it up.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
You remember that.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Year was throwing humans around. I'm saying you remember that
that but that year they had a really good defense.
So no, so the guys you name, I'm glad you
named them because Michael Jordan was just scoring a bunch
of pointless points until he got Phil Jackson. Peyton Manning
was just throwing a bunch of touchdowns till he got
Tony Dungee and they created a team. And that's the point.
(16:15):
People who watch Matthew Stafford say, man, if only he
had a situation that And I'm just telling you why
people put him say that he had no control of anything.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
But this is where I'm gonna push back.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
It ain't the minute he got the team, because they
had already had successful this wet they had already gone
to the super Bowl. And I'm gonna tell you this,
and I want you to go look it up. If
what's that kid's name, se Qusskey Tart or whatever his
name is, to Cosskey Tart, if he catches that interception
(16:55):
and the and the Rams lose that game, Matthew like
his narrative about Matthew Stafford is night and day, cause
it was right on Q. Matthew Stafford through a game
winning touchdown in the Super Bowl and didn't get the
Super Bowl MVP. You know why because he had two
interceptions in that game as well.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
And that's all I'm trying to tell you. Listen, so
said he's.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
One play away one play from being garbage.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
One play. We know we can one play it for
to death. We know that.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I'm telling you going back to making the change. This
is why I disagree with you on this one. Matthew
Stafford came into an OH TO sixteen team and he
didn't eli manning it. He didn't should do her. Maybe
I won't go play there. He didn't do any of that.
Matthew Stafford embrace and I remember, obviously I'm watching his
fan I'm like, who are we gonna drive? And they
kept saying this kid out of Georgia, kid out of Georgia,
(17:50):
Matthew Staffords a guy, kid out of Georgia.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Matthew Staff's a guy. I'm like, all right. And anytime
they would ask him, the Lions have been futrid, The
Lions suck, the Lions aren't good.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It's been a bad organization. Why would you want to
go there? Why would you want to go there? He said,
I want to be a part of the change. And
for the most part they were a team you had
to beat with him. They made the postseason a few
times with him. They wasn't doing that before him. And
you know that you were there, What do you mean
they weren't doing that. If there was a long period
where the Lions sucked and didn't even make the postseason
(18:19):
for a long time before Matthew Stafford got there.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
But this is so what I'm saying all the play.
But they were bad and they got a lot of
great players.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Calvin Johnson, they had a first top pick for year
after year after year.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
One of them is no longer winning, Charles Rogers. They
were just picking people receiver at the receivt Roy Williams. They
were picking receiver.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Here's the other thing that doesn't bode well. Look at
the other guys, Matthew Stafford with the two Pro Bowls,
Derek Carr four, Andy Dalton three, Kirk Cousins four.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
And every person.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You tell me if I'm wrong, you would take Matthew
Stafford out of everybody you just.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Named, No on that list would you take over?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
And not at the time when they played, because there
were there's a lot of had Matthew Stafford that I
was there every Sunday. I was there every Sunday. No, No,
you're doing it after the feed. No, in real time. No,
it doesn't matter like Stafford. You're looking at Matthew Stafford
after no, yes, you are, dude.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Matthew Stafford has been he has been your favorite and
now analyst and and Nalys says breakdown quarterback of the quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
The people love matter. He threw a.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Ton of big interceptions again for with the Lions, Are
you kidding?
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I was watching in one season ever because his teams
were down because they weren't great, and he found a
way to get them back eight comebacks and wins. Players
don't have that in their tire fifteen.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
The problem is there were situations where they could have
beat Green Bay. The last game of the season at home,
he has a terrible game. I could go and document
all these games. There's a reason that people went along
with that nickname staff Padford because most of his stats
came late.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
They didn't come when the game was in fluxd. I
saw too many come back I watched all these games.
He won games they shouldn't have won. That's why, like
when they called him the cardiac Cats, because they knew
how to come back.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Look Matthew Stafford again.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I think the benefit he has is people say, if
you put him in a winning situation, what happened? He
got to one and he won that situation in the postseason.
In the postseason with Sean McVay, I know he is
what he is and run and people saw him right.
He made a horrible Futriot franchise solid, they weren't great.
(20:38):
He made them solid and competitive for so long and
then he goes to it they weren't.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Competitive to me, I were They lost twenty three twenty
three straight road games when.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
The same Matthew Stafford that had them in the postseason
handful of times, but I.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Know times years, three times. Matthew Stafford to go to
the playoffs all the time, Garry Sanders, Wayne Fons, they
went every other year to.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
The postseason, and they stopped at about ninety ninety eight.
And we ain't go back to about what twenty eleven.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Literally, I think that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
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Speaker 3 (21:24):
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to hear it. God, my man, his single.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
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Speaker 3 (21:37):
All right, cal Rally hit his sixtieth homer of the
season last night for the marriag They play Agains tonight
in about forty minutes.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Oh god, it was so good. We did it, Oh Gode.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
They clinched the Al West crown in the process. And now,
according to Lamar Mitchell, friend of the show, bet MGM,
cal Rally has officially surpassed Aaron Judge as the betting favorite.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Who was that am in the other l MVP Award?
Was that me? All rise for the big dumper. He's
gonna win it. He is gonna win it.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
A few reasons why, Rob, I know MLB bro ain't
trying to hear it because you need to know.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
But dang it, this is why he's gonna win.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Number one, we know baseball is big on numbers, where
baseball is big on history, and he keeps doing too
many things. Number one, you start to look at these numbers.
So he sets the most home runs for a primary
catcher with forty eight.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
He said.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
You see he used the word primary because he doesn't
always catch primary.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Okay, go ahead, No what for him, it's for everybody else? No,
I'm just good the primary he did that back in August.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Then he went ahead and did the most home runs
by switch hitter, fifty five of them.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And then you over all, right, claud that's good enough. No,
I'm gonna go ahead and knock out the franchise record,
and fifty six he did that. And you know what
was funny.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yesterday, right as you and I were getting off the air,
he hits one. Somebody screams in the building, Hey, hit one,
And what do you say? Do you remember what you
said yesterday? He said he's got to hit two to
catch up with Hey, that's why you're laughing. You say
you got to hit two to catch up with Judge,
and you walked out the door feeling good about yourself. Well,
he hit another one and said what Aaron D can do?
(23:18):
I can do better? And hit another one, and so listen,
he's got more home runs. He's doing something that you
know how difficult it is to play catcher. You know
how difficult it is to play that position. The abuse
you take, the battle. He might need a few of leaves.
Its bad on your knees, is bad on your joints.
Got a stiff back. And again he's also doing stuff
(23:38):
you don't get metrics for it. They don't give awards
and stats for where you're talking about the way he's
framing for his pitcher. All of a sudden that theff
let me get my PFF on that.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Now he's framing. Okay, okay, he's a top number one
one is a let me frame my point of view.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So no, I think hes because what he's doing for
that team, by the way, clinching their division as well.
On the night you hit two home runs, I think
that kind of sealed the deal for him. It's gonna
be very close. You know, if it was boxing, it
gonna be a ten to nine. But I think he's
gonna add him out again because what he's doing for
that position, the number in what he's doing, he might
end the season win sixty.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
All you have is qualifiers for that position. It should
just be that.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
It's spectactical sixty one period, but the period next two
should be just put period period period is miss Mary
Mack was here period.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
He's bugging sixty home runs, probably gonna end up with
sixty two.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
No, No, he has sixty. Do not give him any
ex He still got three. Is gonna hit nine in
the next three year?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Is that cool, he settled down. Now you even get
taken care of. But he's gonna win this thing. That
sealed it to me when Aaron Judges had a great game.
We're sitting right here celebrating he got two and then
he said hold on, brouh, hold my beer and hit
two more. We're talking about what he's doing defensively as well,
and again historically great, doing something we haven't seen from
that position ever. Uh, And I just think those things
are gonna go in his favorite it's gonna be very close.
(25:01):
Aaron Judges absolutely deserves of it. And that's what's happened
over the last handful of years. You get guys where
Aaron Judge shoe hail Tani deserved it, but Aaron Judge
hit to sixty one and so Aaron Judge deserved it.
So they're doing things at historic rates and both of
them have been great. But I just think the big Dumper,
which is out of the blue, off of sudden his nickname,
is huge, and I think he's done enough to secure
(25:22):
it again when you look at what the amount of
home runs the position he plays, setting franchise records and
doing it all at the sake of actually winning too.
That's the key part as well. I think he just
locked it up yesterday. Totally disagree.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
If you look at Aaron Judge, war ops, what is
it good for batting average? He's going to be He's
gonna win a batting title where guys the big dumpers
at batting average is like two point fifty. Aaron Judges three.
In a league where two forty two is the average
batting average. Aaron Judge has a three twenty two batting average.
(26:02):
He's gonna win a batting title, which you don't see
the power.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
And to be able to hit for a average, which
is special. He had over fifty home runs.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Only the fourth player in baseball history to hit fifty
or more in four different seasons. Okay, only three other
guys have done it, and they're all very special, all
great Hall of Fame players as Aaron Judge. And on
the podcast Inside the Parker which dropped earlier today, we
(26:31):
had Chris Young, the former outfielder for the Arizona Diamondbacks,
who made a great point and he said, if you
look at Cal's numbers and you applied those to Aaron Judge,
it would be an off year. You would actually look
at those and say Aaron Judge had an off year
(26:52):
and people are just trying to bake in. If he
wasn't a catcher and he was an outfielder like Aaron Judge,
would would be this conversation. I'm asking you if he
was not a catcher most probably not, No, it would not.
It's not probably listens and home runs in RBI, Okay,
but there are other stats other than those two, and
(27:15):
Aaron Judge has all of them.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
It's not even all off. He's first and all of them.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
And Aaron Judge also missed nine or ten games with injury.
I'm not making an excuse. He has more home runs.
He has now. If he gets sixty three home runs
and breaks the record, right then we have a conversation.
Then then you could say he just set a reker
all time record most home runs in the American League.
I can see people voting for him without the record.
(27:42):
I don't think it's closed all right. Now, here's my pushback.
Don't he already has the record. He has the record
for the most from a catcher, he has the record
for the most from the period. He's already knocking down records.
Aaron Jones didn't have the record for the most for
him outfielder. He had the record for the most if
if Cal has the most.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
But he doesn't have to do that when the season
because about Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Judge isn't doing It's not
like Aaron Judge has it where right now and he's like,
I gotta go catch him.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
But why does he always have to be about just
a catcher. I know, I get that, and I hear
you that's what it shouldint. But shouldn't just be that
because I'm telling you, if he was the third basement
or any other position, he wouldn't even be in the
running for MVP.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
That's the point you have to contest. Look at his framing.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Nobody recognized his framing last year, but now because he
has sixty bombs, look at his framing.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Can you imagine? Can you magine squatting for nine inn Yesterday?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I had to talk to you about some smuckers and
some Jiffy cad to a peanut butter and jelly on
you to make you understand that shoe hey o Tanny
was the best player in baseball because they get these
two things go together. Grew one of the top two
three hitters in baseball, one of the better pitchers in baseball.
You put him together, he's the best player. My point
is it's contextualizing. It's because of what Shohy does all
(29:04):
around and pitching and hitting, and he can steal bases
and all of that, so it's the same thing. It's
the fact that he is a catcher, because catchers don't
do this normally, so contextualizing. So you can't say, what
if he was a third well we see with third
basement I would outfitters.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
But and he again, you can't leave. You can't be doing.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
This from a position that domesn't normally do it and
then also be doing it leading the ALE, and RBIs
leading the AL and home runs and on a night
where you need to run fifty? Is that MVP can
name me an MVP will hit two fifty. Fifty is
not great, there's no note great. Give me an MVP.
The fact that he's above average is crazy.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
But my idea is that you would be hard pressed
to find an MVP in any league that batted two fifty.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
But do you see them mvns that man is playing catcher.
You know how hard it is to play that position.
You notice you've been covering the league since nineteen eighty six.
There you go, Yeah, I sit next year one year
before I know Unfortunately, I know this. I hear you
say it every day. You've been covered as nineteen eighty six.
You know catchers how grueling it is on them. And
so for him to explode with these numbers, explode with
this team's success Clinton Division the first time since two
(30:15):
thousand and one, on a night that they do it.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
He hits two home runs.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
To me, that was and we also talk about this
all the time in MVPs in any sports, having those
monumental moments, that's a huge thing to Clint the division.
To night you hit two home runs when your foe
in this case, the guy also trying to do it,
hit two home runs.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
And you do that.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Mind you, by the way, you mentioned the sixty three
home runs. That ain't crazy. Just hit two last night.
It's got a few games lest before the end of
the season. He might mess around and do that the
paces he's on. So I just think again, when you're
looking at somebody in a position that's been around for
one hundred and fifty years and now you do something
better than anyone else in the one hundred and fifty years.
That is a nod to you and in great consideration
(30:54):
that you win. In last point for me, sometimes in
life you're a victim of your own success, and that
might be Aaron Judge. Where Aaron Judge, that's not fair.
Let's just agree.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Look at his numbers accoudible, like he's not just a
power hitter batting.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
That's why agree.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
That's why Kyle Schwarber won't win the MVP because because
he hits two forty, he has fifty four bombs for
Facilly's gonna run away with it, right, and nobody's going
well Kyle Schwarber, look at his fifty four home runs. No,
because he does the batting average and the other stuff.
This is just strictly because everybody wants to give wants
to give the catcher some extra love, like they deserve
(31:35):
extra ketchup on the front fries.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I'm sorry, I like a little honey mustard barbecue mixer
French fries. Boom boom, boom boom.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Nothing but salt on hot fries. Not even ketchup. No ketchup.
That's one thing you and my wife have in common.
No ketchup. I don't ketchup. On fries, honey muster and barbecue.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
So you just like to eat the honey, mustard and barbecue,
and you're just using it. My buddy Gary in college,
that's what he used to do.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Gary.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
All he did was he would get ten packs of ketchup,
pour him onto up onto his plate, and use the
French fries to be able to eat the ketchup. I said, like,
like I was just saying, he goes, I'm not a
big in.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
The French fries. I just like that.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
I love some fries, but it doesn't make sense to
try to spoon ketch up and just eat it.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
He couldn't do that. He couldn't do it.
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