October 3, 2025 • 35 mins
Super Producer Rob G is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin discuss why Sean McVay seems to get himself all out of sorts when he matches up with Kyle Shanahan, tell us if the Los Angeles Rams are truly an elite team in the NFC, and explain why last night's blunder in the Padres-Cubs game is further proof why the ABS challenge system can't get here soon enough. Plus, former NFL quarterback and FOX Sports Radio NFL analyst Shaun King swings by to discuss the most alarming thing about the Rams, what impresses him so much about Mac Jones, why Shedeur Sanders can't seem to climb up the Cleveland Browns quarterback depth chart, what to make of Lamar Jackson and the 1-3 Baltimore Ravens, and much more!
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Now here's the thing. Oh I hate it so much.
That's so funny. Now the other thing too.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
And Elijah Alex rob G you guys have to how
long will it be? Because I've been on the show
now for a year and he's added like four things
to the entry, Like Alex, at some point you as
the injury that I gott tell him, why you gotta stop?
I try, because all you gonna do is keep watching
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great and then his phone rings and I hear that song.
All right, let's get to it. You just mentioned it.
We're gonna get straight to it. Man, A lot to
get you on this Friday. We had a good game
last night. We tell you what. We had a good
Thursday night football game with two teams from Ride. They
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have been in the forty nine Ers and the should
I say it was a home game for them, because
my guys, did you hear the crowd which always happens
if you've ever seen forty nine Ers when they come
to town. When the Raiders play here as well, whether
it be the Chargers or for some reason they play
the Rams as well, it feels like a home game.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
They got cops pumping in the crowd noise.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, oh true, trying to you know, oppose that, but
ended up being a really good game. We are all
witnesses to the mac Montana. That's right, Era, or you
could say mac Jones, who Mac Jones.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
To mac Jones? Era is upon us.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
My gosh, he's now three and oh after having a
really good game through for three hundred plus yards, a
couple of touchdowns, beat down, battered, bruised up, stuck with
it and he looked really good. So there's a lot
of conversations coming out of that as they sneak out
and get a win and we'll have I mean, there's
so many different layers of this conversation. We could talk
about Sean McVay and the decision he made. Will get
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to that in a little bit. But one of the
things people are starting to walk around with and think
about it. And this happens when these types of things happen.
You have the backup quarterback half success. Do you brock
party when he's back or do you stick with the
hot man the hot hand in mac Jones. And that's
the conversation starting to slowly go around matriculate around the
sports media world. I'm gonna jump in on this one.
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For me, one of the things that I'd always tell
people to be weary about is the newness of something.
Mac Jones is the newness for the forty nine ers,
because obviously brock Perty's out and Mac Jones is now
three to zero. But the real I would caution things,
and I think he's looked great, but also think this
is more of a testament. And I wish Rob Parker
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was here so I could tell him to Kyle Shanahan,
and even he would admit the system, whether you're Jimmy
g whether you're brock p or whether you're Mac Jones.
Who Mac Jones, they've been successful, right, and they've been
able to find guys who and you can win games.
You can get the NFC championship games, you can get
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the Super Bowls, you can be three and oh so
far Mac Jones and this system. And this is a
credit to Kyle Shanahan. He's able to say, all right,
what are we gonna do now that I have Mac Jones.
Let me cater something, Let me get in this kitchen,
let me cook up something that works with his talent,
his skill set, any by the way, what we have
around him right now, which is basically nothing. They got
a mass unitvers for receivers, and they're struggling on that end.
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Guy's health, and they said, what we're gonna do is
we're gonna dink and duncan.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
We're gonna get this.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Thing out in like one point seven seconds, get the
ball out of his hands, find find Borne. All of
a sudden, I thought he was Jason Bourne the way
he was out there receiving usually averages around twenty nine
yards a game.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
End.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
The will be like a buck fifty. We're gonna find guys,
get him open. We're gonna use Christian McCaffrey to the
point he's probably looking at us like, if you don't
get somebody else to do it, about to wake up dead.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
He is gotta be exhausted.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Mind you, We were concerned during the offseason, how's he feels,
how's this hamstring?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Howsie?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
How's his health? And they're like, hey, you're playing good,
there you go catch receive. We're gonna use you a
lot via decoy all that. But my point is Kyle
Shanahan is cooking up some stuff right now with Mac
Jones and they're able to find success. But where I
think people can get carried away is right now, teams
are coming into games and historically they're preparing for Brack Purdy,
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preparing for George Kittle, preparing for other ayuk maybe, and
they're preparing for kind of this team as is. Now
they have Mac Jones, and that's a thing that throws
you off because well, not only have I not really
seen him with this version of the forty nine ers,
I also don't know what they're gonna do because they
don't have receivers. So you can't really game plan as
well because you don't actually know what you're about to get.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
And so I would be weary in your caution.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Just hold on before you jump on the mac Jones train,
and just say, what we're seeing is the hotness to newness,
because when people didn't know who Cjstraw was, he was
lighting them up. Now that they know, ain't got a
better idea what it is, it gets a little tougher.
Bo Nicks, He's looked out, He looked a high, but
he didn't look like that next step everybody thought because
people still to get the film out on you. So
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my whole point is brock Purdy has been a stabilizer
for them for the most part. He's not the greatest,
which is why I think they paid him perfectly. He's
right around where he needs to be paid. It didn't
have to go Dak Prescott money. And I think he
has a great flow with this offense, great flow from
the belief in the team. You heard the team talking
about you know we want him there, and MATC Jones,
to his credit, is said, I am the backup right now.
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It's not causing any controversy as much as he can.
Obviously we can do that sports media, but that would
be My point is you got something good with Rock Purdy.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
You got the guy you believe in.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
You got him at a good rate all things considered,
and it's great that you have a backup that you
can utilize because by all accounts, people get injured in
the forty nine jerny forty nine Ers Jersey, so having
that backup is an ultimate thing to have in case,
for some reason you go on a Nick Foles run
and you got a capable backup. At least you know
you have that. But to me, it's a good situation
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where you got the guy you believe in. You paid
them the money. This is your guy moving forward, but
you know you have a capable backup of Mac Jones.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, I'm glad that we said what you did because
we have a guy who agrees with you, and his
name is Michael mccorkile Jones. Here's Mac Jones after the
game talking about this budding quarterback controversy building in the bay.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well, shoot, man, I just you know, I just come
out and I'm having a good game and it's good
to God. But listen, man, this is Brock Party's team.
I'm the backup. I'm just trying to help my team win.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
You know.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
They brought me here as a backup and now my
job and Brock's the starter of this team and right
now he's dealing with something and for him to go
out there last week and play when you know he
probably wasn't a full full health like he cares about
this team, So I'm just trying to get some wins
for him so it helps us down the line.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Again, I'm glad that Mac agrees with you, because I don't.
We are seeing right now the Brock Party two point
zification of the San Francisco forty nine ers. Mac Jones
in his first three games, leads the NFL in passing
yards per game three hundred and won a game. He's
top ten in passer rating, he's top ten in QBR,
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he's top ten in in touchdowners said ratio. He is
doing everything that brock Party did three years ago. Remember
brock Purty exploded on the scene, not his first season
when he played only six games, I think the second
season with the made front of the Super Bowl. That year,
brock Purty tops in the NFL passer rating, yards per ten,
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touchdown percentage, you know, up near the topic in QBR
four thing complic percentage fifth and passing yards single season
franchise yards total, which is incredible. Will you consider how
many great quarterbacks have played for the Niners and what
you saw from brock Purty then in twenty twenty three,
which you're seeing from Mac Jones now in twenty twenty five,
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is for as much grief as Kyle Shanahan gets on
this show. Specifically because Rob Parker hates. Yeah, he wants
the fire. He wants the fire with a passion. His
system works. It's like novacine. You give it time, it's
gonna be effective. I am gonna scheme some dudes open.
Whether I have Brandon Ayuk or deebo said, or if
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I have Juwan Jennings and Ricky Pierce all over I
have Kendrick Bourn Like last night, I'm gonna find a
way to get these guys open. And if you are
on time and on target and shout out to Mac Jones.
Last night, average time per snap between snapping the ball
throwing it was just under two and a half seconds,
which would be the fastest in the NFL this side
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of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
When he can.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Play within structure, he's as good as anybody in the NFL.
And that's something that people like to poke fun about
and joke about and say, well, you're a system quarterback,
and how great could you possibly be. You can make
a lot of money and win a lot of games
being a system quarterback, No.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Disrespect to you.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
But Jared Goff, you could say, is a system guy.
Jared Goff doesn't have the livest arm. He's not the
most fleet of foot, but if you give him the
offense that he knows and understands, and he can scheme
it up the right way, he is gonna deliver it
with the best of them, he's gonna put it right
on the hands, so the guy's a mom Ross Saint
Brown can catch ball yard after catch. He's gonna hit
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Jamior Gibbs coming every swing route. He is gonna turn
a six yard pass and do a sixty yard pass
because he put it where it has to be. And
Matt Jones by playing within himself and not trying to
do too much, which is what brock Purdy had done
wrong for the last year and a half. Brock Purdy
has said so himself. The fact that all these guys
are banged up means he's gonna put on the Superman
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cape and he wants to do too much, and that
leads to him having a career worst passer rating this season,
having the lowest passing yards per game or shudi yards
per completion of his career because he's trying to do
everything outside of structure. He's trying to push the ball
down the field. He's trying to you know what, I
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don't have all my guys, So instead of just taking
his three yard pass and I don't know how good
my defense is, I'm gonna hold it a tick second
longer and try to get it down for a fifteen
yard pass, and that's not what they need with Kyle
Shanahan's offense. Matt Jones is making this a real contract
because he's just playing within the offense. He's not doing
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too much. He's not trying to be superman. And here's
the biggest reason why I think this could be a
real thing. Word not for the dollar amount that you
mentioned with the extension. Matt Jones, for all of his
faults and all of his limitations, was a better NFL
quarterback prospect coming out of college than brock Party. Of course,
there's a reason why he was rumored to go in
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the top three. There's the reason why he went in
the first round is because enough people saw the traits
that he does have. He's smart between the years, he's accurate,
he makes quick decisions that could lead to him having
a lot of success in the NFL. And you're seeing
it playing out right now, which is so again, to
sum it all up, this should be a real controversy
in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So I'm glad you're married, because if you went on
a date and after three dates, you'll be saying, in
their praise, I'm glad you out the game. He's been
objectively better than Brock Purdy. I'm glad you're out the game,
because here's the difference. When you are simply just the backup.
I don't have to act as though I'm a franchise player.
Rock Purty has to act as a franchise player, has
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to act as the guy who's trying to get these dubs,
just like the other guys, the Josh Allen's and the
Lamars and the Jared gar the guys who have to
put it on their shoulders from time to time of
Baker Mayfield. So Rock Purdy has felt the obligation of
a franchise quarterback. When you're the backup, and you know,
as Mac Jones just said, I'm the backup, it's easy
for me to come on. It's the opposite. I don't
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want to rock the boat. Simply want to do what
a mask, do what the Simpson is And here we go.
When you the team is looking at you and saying,
guys are injured, guys are hurt. Patrick Mahomes, we don't
have receivers this year. I need you to do it.
Lamar Jackson, we don't have running backs this year. A
couple years back, everybody hurt. Backfield is gone, but you
you try to make it happen. And that's the difference.
The luxury you have to have those guys either. Know
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what I'm saying is the luxury being a backup is
that you don't you keep coming And it's almost like
I'm only doing exactly as I'm asked. When you are
the franchise, there is an onus for you to get
it done and make some thing happening.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Period, find a way. Period.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
When you're the backup, you don't necessarily have that. Now,
I don't believe mac Jones is a to your point,
I don't think he was. Now the Pro Bowl gets crazy,
especially noway because nobody wants to disrespect Pro Bowl to
Mac Jones. They'd be picking fifth string guys to be quoted.
Nobody want to go to go do you want to go? Exactly? Seriously?
But my point is he can very much be a
quality quarterback, and I think more than ever and when
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over're up against it. We're seeing resurgence in quarterbacks right.
We're seeing Geno Smith all of a sudden become a
pro game. We're seeing Uh Sam Sam Darnod uh become one.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
We're seeing Obviously I just mentioned Baker, Jared Goffer cast
off and all of a sudden, now he's one of
the better ones.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
This is the era to do that.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So I think he's put himself in a great position
that somebody's gonna throw him a bag. But I don't
think if you're John Lynch down to Kyle Shanahan, you've
done too much to find your got to work out
a deal. I think you very much say we've got
our guy.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I got a question for you, Yes, do you think
they're already regretting that brock Perty contract.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It's a great question, uestion, and I'll answer that. On
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Speaker 1 (14:18):
One of the things I wanted to talk about was
we were just hinting on a little bit the last break.
There was just a great game that ended up being
Thursday night football. You know, Thursday Night it's a crapshoot
thurday night football. You don't know what you're gonna get.
It's gonna be a good one like last night. It
could be absolutely a toilet bawl, as I call them,
but we ended up getting a good one between two
rivals and the forty nine ers and the Rams. But
ultimately it came down to a couple of things in
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really good game that ends the game, that goes into overtime,
and one of the plays that everybody's going to talk about,
of course, is that fourth down run by Kyron Williams
that Sean McVay decides to go for.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
There.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Now, what made an interesting rob g is like they
were lined up like they're going for it, held on
four second, forty nine Ers called the timeout, Rams come back,
I think they might even call it that time. And
finally you get to the play and they run pretty
much essentially a quick handoff to Kyra Williams, who's probably
what five nine two hundred pounds behind two wide behind
two wide receivers up the gut, and you're just kind
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of like it was, okay, it was a terrible play card.
Let me let me dissect a few things here. Let
me get this scalpol real quick number one. The reason
why is the terrible play is because you probably have
the best receiver in the NFL, since Debo isn't quiet
what he used to be of. Just if I give
you the ball, you're getting three yards. I mean if
I just literally hype, well, I don't care, You're gonna
fall forward for two to three yards. Aj Brown could
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be in that comparison as well. He just doesn't get
the ball enough. He's a polar opposite of the Pooka
whomever for the po gets all the time. AJ Brown
poo could give me some of the receptions, I don't
get them. I don't want him as my quarterback. I
don't want him as my quarterback. Pook And the cool
gets all the receptions. You know what also Pooka has
you see and you saw it last night. They do
little rub routes. Davante Adams kind of does little things
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that get get just get him open a little bit
because he's gonna catch the ball for four or five yards,
then get another five or six because he's like that.
And so the idea that you wouldn't run a play
for your best offensive weapon or your other one. And
Devonte was just huge in general, just give him, let
him just fall for a yard, and that you would
run it with the running back that's not built like that.
You're not giving it to Derrick Henry. You're not giving
it to you know, Jerome Bett, some other guys from
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back in the day, beast mode where you know they're
gonna get this yard. And you didn't run behind as
you mentioned, the big lineup, You didn't have the bigs
out there. So that was just a bad play and
there's no way through timeouts. That's what you come up
with unless as Sean mcvayh talked about, he said, essentially
it was a bad call on me. He was mad
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about going for it. He said he got his ego
got in the way, and I do believe that matter.
I think he looked across the field. I think he
saw his counterpart in Kyle Say and you know, two
of the smarter young guys in the NFL the last
handful of years. I think he got too caught up
in that. I think he got caught in the fact
that why are we even why are we even having
to try to win this game? Not blowing them out.
They have no receivers, they have nobody out there. They
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got to backup quarterback. How are we even a position
to even potentially lose this game. I think that weighed
in on as well, and I think he just made
a bad decision. And when I was watching that, this
is one of the things that I have to give
credit to and it drives me crazy. Let me preface
sometimes as a fan of said person and said team,
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Dan Campbell, Dan Gamble, Dan Campbell and the Lions, because
one of the things they've gone for four downs at
a higher rate than just about anybody. We all know
they're gonna do it is that because that's who we are,
meaning the team. They're built like it, and they all
know this is what we do. You've heard to talk
about it for the last few years. They're like, this
is what we do, we practice it, we want to
do it. We actually will be mad if we didn't
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do it. And to a fault, it did bite them
in the NFC Championship game against the forty nine ers
as well, but they're prepared for that. And Sean McVay,
who is one of the more conservative quarterbacks I'm sorry, coach,
is when it comes to going for things on fourth down,
doesn't really do it often as far as the league
is kind of trajectory going up, they don't do it
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as much. I think that's the difference when you're not
prepared for it. The Lions do this. They'll go for two,
they'll go for fourth down, they'll go for fourth down
and fourth and six. You know, everybody, Okay, we'll go
for fourth and one. They'll go for fourth and six
if they want to. And their Bill Ford, they've trained
for it. Mentally, they're prepared and it seems like they
always draw up the right play. And you can see
Sean McVay got out of his skis, got he got
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into his ego bag. I want to show that I'm
the brainiac. I want to show it's not Kyle. I
want to show that we're gonna be big and we're
gonna do this and we're gonna win the game. And
he got a little you know, and the rams right
now this season there's been some struggle with that. I
am not This isn't a hymn thing. This is maybe
a special teams coach. How are you getting kicks blocked regularly?
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Now?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Why are you missing kicks regularly? Now?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And Sean McVay is an incredible coach. But right now,
they've been a couple of games where they're probably you know,
they wake up today like how are we not five?
Speaker 4 (18:57):
And oh, how are we not five?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And oh we make a field goal against them, them
being the Eagles, we get this four down, we score.
You know, if I don't overthink it, I have the
best player at the balls, who Matthew Stafford. Let him
throw one of his those side passes to Pooka. Now
it's center five and oh but instead they're three and two.
And I mentioned it to Is yesterday when Rob was here,
said they got to win this game because now forty
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nine ers or four and one Seahawks will have their
game with a chance to be four and one. And
you just don't want to keep falling down the vision
thinking all will bounce back, because you just don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
And there's other teams.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Right we look at the NFC North, looks like the
Lions could win the division or at least be right
there with the Packers.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
There's others.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
You just don't know how things work out, where you
look at yourself and you're like, how the heck do
we how the heck do we not make the postseason
this year. But that was an example of me of
just not being overly prepared for those types of things
when you look at the counterpart of an example like
a Dan Gamble, Dan Campbell, where they're you cannot want
us to do it, but we're going to and this
is what we do and we're ready to execute it
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because this is who we are, because this is exactly
who we are.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Now, I agree with you, and I'm not gonna say
I won't go so far as say that Sean McVay,
you know, is shook when it comes to Kyle shanahan,
but he definitely doesn't act like himself when he's coaching
against Kyle Shanahan. And maybe it's because he had that
eleven and six of Raiders season record head to head
and the one win again shout out to Rob Parker
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that he has in the posty. They faced off once
in the playoffs anc championship game. If Jakwoski's hard catches
an interception that hits him in the chest, then he's
owned one in the playoffs too.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Boy, if he got a penny for every time, y'all
his memory bonaire.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Right, So someone's got to I'm glad it could be
the Ode couple. But Sean McVay, who is a great coach,
He is gonna be in the Hall of Fame. He
has his own tree, Like we're half the league is
guys who either worked with Sean McVay or knew Sean
McVay at a certain point in time so they got
hired as a job in the NFL. He is a
phenomenal coach, but there is something about when he goes
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against Kyle Shannan, And maybe it's because McVeigh technically is
part of Shanahan Street. If you want to play that
game where he always feels like it's.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
To your point.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I gotta I gotta one up this guy like he
we both know what we want to do, we both
know each other inside and out. So I'm gonna zig
when I normally didn't because he expected me to zag.
So I kind of got to overthinking, over smart my
own self to beat this guy. And that's a problem
because you're gonna face him twice a year normally. When
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these teams are healthy, they're gonna be really good and
there's a good chance in might face shut there in
the postseason. So if you can't allow yourself in a
game like last night where Matthew staffords though for three
eighty nine, three touchdowns no picks. To your point, you
have the best player on the field in Buka Nakua, who,
aside from being the best wide receiver this season, he's
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arguably been the best player like this side of Lamar Jackson.
Just want to snap by snap basis he's been that good.
And your decision is after a timeout to run a
running half back dive behind two wide receivers with the
small back the small running back. It's like, the obvious
answer is too obvious. I can't do that because Kyle's
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expecting me to be obvious. So I gotta I gotta
really out smart him here by call something like this, And.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
That's that's a problem.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
But to your final point, this might be my bigger
takeaway from last night's game is I don't know if
the Rams are good like And this hurts me to
say because my dad, rest in Piece is a diehard
Rams fan.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
You know, even in heavity, he's a Rams fan.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I'm sure look at you right now, I'm I'm sure
he would have called me like, Man, did you see
that game last night with that they're like, you know, but.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
They beat Houston, who we know now is not any good.
It was fourteen nine.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
It was a struggle in that game. They struggled for
three quarters against Tennessee, who was winless at zero to four.
Those are teams are combined one and seven. The only
reason Houston even has a win is because they faced
Tennessee last week, so one of them had to win,
right Yep, Philadelphia spotted them an entire half of football
where they didn't show up and still found a way
to win that game last week in Indianapolis, which is
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a good win for them because Indianapolis is much better
people think. If you watch that game and you're not
just looking at the box score, Ady Mitchell has a
long touchdown where he drops the ball going to the
end zone.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
That's okay. People can't just wait, Why do they got
to Deshaun Jackson? It every time?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
But that happens, And on what should have been the
game winning touchdown run by Jonathan Taylor, Ady Mitchell again
has a phantom holding call which wipes it out, which
eventually preserves the win for the Rams. And then you
happened last night where they go against a short handed
team which statistically this season was the biggest upset in
the NFL, even bigger than the Browns beating.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
The Packers a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
According to Vegas, that win last night by San Francisco
was the most improbable victory of the young NFL season.
So you have two wins against bad teams Houston Tennessee.
You blow a game against Philadelphia, you blow a game
against a short handed San Fransco forty nine ers team,
and you have I guess you would call a good
win against the Colts. But we all know what should
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have happened in that game. What our eyes tell us
is that you lost that game. They had you dead
to rights and you got saved by a couple of
flukey plays. So I ask you again, are we sure
that the Los Angeles Rams with Matthew Stafford, who's playing
really well, Pookin Nakool looks like the best player in football,
Davante Adams having a resurgence season. Are we sure they're
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actually even any good?
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I'll tell you. On the other side, it's the Ocobarabzi.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
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Speaker 1 (24:54):
Why are seaw mcteams saw McVay teams? They kind of overachieve.
We all kind of go, oh, they're three and five,
then they go the five game run or whatever. Last
year they couldn't score more than eighteen points for a
handle against What is it about it?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Even this year they could be five and oh, but
they're not.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
I think you have to give them credit for the
reset they did. People forget Aaron Donnell retired, they moved
on from Jalen Ramsey, Cooper Cups not there. Like a
lot of the core pieces of that initial line the
Super Bowl win are not there.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
That's a fair point.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
The time period they've rebuilt the majority of it, they
deserve a lot of credit. I still think there are
a couple of pieces away. The alarming thing for me
they're undersized on the back end of their defense. They
could not tackle the forty nine ers. How many times
last night did the forty nine and ball carry out
get yards after initial contact? So when I watched that game,
(25:47):
I didn't get caught. I fixed the division game. Division
games are generally always competitive. Yeah, some things happen that
don't normally happen. You missed a field goal, you get
extra point block, Karan Williams fumbles on the goal line,
did you take away any of those things? May probably win,
but big picture, they've got to figure out how to
get the ball carrier on the ground. They're very light
(26:08):
on the back end. A lot of athleticism, but not
a lot of figs, Skinny guys, thin frame guys. To me,
that's gonna be the Achilles heel as this season continues well.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Sticking with that game to the other side though, this
for forty nine Ers, Matt Jones, who he might be
starting a quarterback controversy, currently leads the NFL in passing
yards per game. He's top ten and pass rating top
ten and QBR top ten and touchdown interception ratio. What
are your thoughts on what mac Jones is doing right now?
Especially with the show handed Niners offense.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
It magnifies the mistake that John Lynch and Kyle Shannon
had enough forty nine Ers made a couple of years ago.
They had a chance to sit tight and draft mac
Jones and they would have had two extra first round
picks over the last two years. Who knows what those
would have turned into. For some reason, they didn't take
the guy that was a perfect fit coming out of Alabama.
Thing about mac Jones with Davante's Smith and those guys
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and Steve Starkeysan he fits the cal Shanahan to some
perfect Why they would give up all the asset capital
they did to move up and take a raw talent
like Trey Lance still baffles me. But I think this
just magnifies that mistake.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I an't think that's a good point. Rob g and
I had a whole conversation about it. It's a very
goo point. That's that's a very very good point, Sean King.
Our guests here on the Eye Couple, Rob g and
for Rope and Kelvin Washington on a fucking flashback Friday.
I want to stick with one more thing from that game.
Were you you down with the call? Did you like
the call going for forth with Kyrie Williams fourth down
Rams trying to go ahead get that in the ultimately
(27:37):
trying to win that game? Where you did you like
the call? Would you like to see something different? Would
you rather than kick the field goal?
Speaker 5 (27:43):
The play in and of itself wasn't a bad call.
The way he presented the play was terrible. It was
a situation where Sanrancisco had eight men in the box
and he ran the ball with Jordan Whittingham and Paul
Poka Nakula as the primary blockers. That's why the play
didn't work. If you don't whine that play, I think
you got it being your big personnel, three Tidian, big
(28:05):
body guys, guys that can actually change the line of scrimmage,
and you got a better chance. I think that they
would tell you it's not the play call, it was
the presentation of the play. Like true receivers trying to
block the d N and the linebackers, it's generally not
gonna work.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Yeah, that's an understatement.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
The other big story this week, well there's two really,
but one of I want to talk about Shador Sanders.
You know, the whole fiasco going on in Cleveland where
they benched Joe Flacco and yet Shadure stays as the
number three quarterback there in Cleveland. Number one, Your thoughts
on him not being elevated to number two. And secondly,
it was reported earlier today by The Athletic that one
(28:42):
of the reasons why he's not being elevated to the
depth chart is that when Cleveland drafted him, they only
ever viewed him as a developmental prospect and never was
seriously in their long term.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Plans at quarterback. What are your thoughts on that situation.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
I think you'd have to be inside the meetings to
have the actual factual truth. The thing that popped into
my mind was one Dylan Gabel deserves the full support
of everybody with this opportunity and having Shador at the backup.
If Dylan plays bad, then automatically, what does the tenor
and tone become? Let's go to Shador also. And I'm
(29:18):
not sure exactly, but a lot of teams don't keep
the third quarterback on the active roster for game day,
and if the third quarterback plays, none of the other
quarterbacks can go into the game. So I looked at it,
say Dylan has to come out for a play for
equipment or something if the third stringer goes in and
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none of the other two could play. So that's how
I was looking at it, and I would know for
sure if I'm right or wrong. At some point Shador
starts and Fly goes the backup and dealing is a
third Then the way I looked at it makes sense.
If not, it kind of is what it is. Guys,
Like here, here's the thing with this whole thing. Sir
Door chose to approach the draft process in the way
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he won on it. It didn't work. You alienated different teams.
We told the Ravens not to draft. You say, the
Ravens takes you doing the third or fourth round like
they wanted to. He's starting Sunday, the Baltimore Ravens. So
he made choices. Now you got to live with those choices.
You can't play the victim out of It's gonna play
out how it play out. When he gets his opportunity,
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if it gets it, you gotta be ready to go.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, were obviously. I just have a feeling that he's
not gonna go anywhere too. And we kind of knew
going into the season this will be one of the
bigger storylines even and.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Let me say, let me set it before we leave this,
because I know there are a lot of coaches that
listen to this, a lot of young quarterbacks. When you
take the line and Shuder has taken. You don't ever
get to play victim, and you don't ever get to
make an excuse if you perform bad. If you take
the humble approach, the team is bigger than I approach
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to be cam Woarre. Kim One hadn't played great yet,
but nobody's a Kim wored because they look at him
as a good guy. We're gonna give him time, We're
gonna give him grace. And so that's what I think
Shad is finding out. He's finding the other side of
being flamboyant bagadocious. And you can choose to do whatever
you want to do. I'm just saying you got to
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live with the outcomes.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Of that short And you know what, Dagga, Sean, I
thought I was gonna move on, but I blame you.
So let me add to that. I look at what
his response from his father was and he said, he laughed,
I know, did you see it at all?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Sean?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
He said, haha, I you know, he said, good one, son.
And one of the things that I think the difference
is he's not you, Dion. You could come to the
draft iced out, golded out, that era gold everywhere Jerry
Curle dripping looking good cause you were put third or
fourth pick.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
You were that guy.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
You were that guy once you got to league, and
I think the difference so you can do certain things.
You were so much that guy you played in MLB
and World seriesly right, like, he's not that and there
is a different approach that has to be you have
to humble, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
I love Dion Sanders. I want them to succeed at Colorado.
I think he's a great marketer. I think he's probably
one of the best personal brand ambassadors we've ever seen.
As a professional athlete. He knows absolutely nothing about quarterback.
And that's why I think the disconnect is Dion played
a position. I played quarterback to the Bucks versus Dion.
(32:25):
I could take Dion completely out of the game by saying,
I'm not going to throw the ball there. So when
you play a position where you can be eliminated and
you can't control it, you have to go above and
beyond personality wise in order to create a brand, in
order to be well known, or no matter how good
you are, end up being Daryl Green. None wrong being
Daryl Green. But he's not gonna get the marketing opportunities
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beon does he's not flamboyant like Dion. The thing that
I would tell Stu, you play quarterback to get outside
opportunities at that position. You touch the ball so much
here in the spotlight so much. All you have to
do is be good. You'll need the extras.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
That's real.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Yeah, And that's why I think that this connected. Dion
knows how to do it his way. But his son,
the only one of the sons that ended up really
having probability, happens to play quarterback, and Prime wants him
to be Prime junior. But he plays a position where
people don't really don't really accept that kind of braggadocious
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energy at that position, especially for somebody that's unproven.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
That's the key part to manage that unproven. Ye all,
shall we get to get here on this one. We
got coup about a mill and a half left. Lamar
Jackson's out this week with the hamshring injury. There's a
report now he's going to be out through the bye
week with Baltimore at one in three? Number one, do
you think that's the wise move to rest him through
the bike Can they even afford to do it? And
Number two what's wrong with the Ravens. I know you
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got a minute, but quickly for one.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
I don't think they're resting Lamar. You can say what
you want about Lamar. The one thing he's never shown
us is that if he's capable of playing, he doesn't
play like I know they had the one contract dispute
at the end of the year where he didn't go
to the playoff game, whatever. But but over the course
of his career he's been available, so I will presume
that he's not capable of performing Sunday. Having said that,
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the Ravens got complacent. They stopped paying attention to detail.
They stopped prioritizing the fundamentals, and that's what's gotten them beat.
Protecting the football, making tackles in space, having the right
pad level, attacking the right hip, fundamentally sound on my throws,
you know, seeing the ball in on my catcher. They
got away from the fundamentals and having attention to detail,
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and now they're losing close games that they will normally win.
Can they fix it? Yes? Is it going to be hard?
Absolutely because of the injuries.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Here and Sean King, appreciate you man. As always, We'll
do it again.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Next week Enjolia weekend. Hey, last thing before I go,
Florida State is beating Miami.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Ooh, there you have it. You got it from him.
I'm putting some money down.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, say put some money on that bank, on that Sean.
We'll talk about it next week as well. Appreciate you
as always, man,
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Now here's the thing. Oh I hate it so much.
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And Elijah Alex rob G you guys have to how
long will it be? Because I've been on the show
now for a year and he's added like four things
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I try, because all you gonna do is keep watching
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great and then his phone rings and I hear that song.
All right, let's get to it. You just mentioned it.
We're gonna get straight to it. Man, A lot to
get you on this Friday. We had a good game
last night. We tell you what. We had a good
Thursday night football game with two teams from Ride. They
(02:00):
have been in the forty nine Ers and the should
I say it was a home game for them, because
my guys, did you hear the crowd which always happens
if you've ever seen forty nine Ers when they come
to town. When the Raiders play here as well, whether
it be the Chargers or for some reason they play
the Rams as well, it feels like a home game.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
They got cops pumping in the crowd noise.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, oh true, trying to you know, oppose that, but
ended up being a really good game. We are all
witnesses to the mac Montana. That's right, Era, or you
could say mac Jones, who Mac Jones.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
To mac Jones? Era is upon us.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
My gosh, he's now three and oh after having a
really good game through for three hundred plus yards, a
couple of touchdowns, beat down, battered, bruised up, stuck with
it and he looked really good. So there's a lot
of conversations coming out of that as they sneak out
and get a win and we'll have I mean, there's
so many different layers of this conversation. We could talk
about Sean McVay and the decision he made. Will get
(02:56):
to that in a little bit. But one of the
things people are starting to walk around with and think
about it. And this happens when these types of things happen.
You have the backup quarterback half success. Do you brock
party when he's back or do you stick with the
hot man the hot hand in mac Jones. And that's
the conversation starting to slowly go around matriculate around the
sports media world. I'm gonna jump in on this one.
(03:19):
For me, one of the things that I'd always tell
people to be weary about is the newness of something.
Mac Jones is the newness for the forty nine ers,
because obviously brock Perty's out and Mac Jones is now
three to zero. But the real I would caution things,
and I think he's looked great, but also think this
is more of a testament. And I wish Rob Parker
(03:41):
was here so I could tell him to Kyle Shanahan,
and even he would admit the system, whether you're Jimmy
g whether you're brock p or whether you're Mac Jones.
Who Mac Jones, they've been successful, right, and they've been
able to find guys who and you can win games.
You can get the NFC championship games, you can get
(04:02):
the Super Bowls, you can be three and oh so
far Mac Jones and this system. And this is a
credit to Kyle Shanahan. He's able to say, all right,
what are we gonna do now that I have Mac Jones.
Let me cater something, Let me get in this kitchen,
let me cook up something that works with his talent,
his skill set, any by the way, what we have
around him right now, which is basically nothing. They got
a mass unitvers for receivers, and they're struggling on that end.
(04:24):
Guy's health, and they said, what we're gonna do is
we're gonna dink and duncan.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
We're gonna get this.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Thing out in like one point seven seconds, get the
ball out of his hands, find find Borne. All of
a sudden, I thought he was Jason Bourne the way
he was out there receiving usually averages around twenty nine
yards a game.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
End.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
The will be like a buck fifty. We're gonna find guys,
get him open. We're gonna use Christian McCaffrey to the
point he's probably looking at us like, if you don't
get somebody else to do it, about to wake up dead.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
He is gotta be exhausted.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Mind you, We were concerned during the offseason, how's he feels,
how's this hamstring?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Howsie?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
How's his health? And they're like, hey, you're playing good,
there you go catch receive. We're gonna use you a
lot via decoy all that. But my point is Kyle
Shanahan is cooking up some stuff right now with Mac
Jones and they're able to find success. But where I
think people can get carried away is right now, teams
are coming into games and historically they're preparing for Brack Purdy,
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preparing for George Kittle, preparing for other ayuk maybe, and
they're preparing for kind of this team as is. Now
they have Mac Jones, and that's a thing that throws
you off because well, not only have I not really
seen him with this version of the forty nine ers,
I also don't know what they're gonna do because they
don't have receivers. So you can't really game plan as
well because you don't actually know what you're about to get.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
And so I would be weary in your caution.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Just hold on before you jump on the mac Jones train,
and just say, what we're seeing is the hotness to newness,
because when people didn't know who Cjstraw was, he was
lighting them up. Now that they know, ain't got a
better idea what it is, it gets a little tougher.
Bo Nicks, He's looked out, He looked a high, but
he didn't look like that next step everybody thought because
people still to get the film out on you. So
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my whole point is brock Purdy has been a stabilizer
for them for the most part. He's not the greatest,
which is why I think they paid him perfectly. He's
right around where he needs to be paid. It didn't
have to go Dak Prescott money. And I think he
has a great flow with this offense, great flow from
the belief in the team. You heard the team talking
about you know we want him there, and MATC Jones,
to his credit, is said, I am the backup right now.
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It's not causing any controversy as much as he can.
Obviously we can do that sports media, but that would
be My point is you got something good with Rock Purdy.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
You got the guy you believe in.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
You got him at a good rate all things considered,
and it's great that you have a backup that you
can utilize because by all accounts, people get injured in
the forty nine jerny forty nine Ers Jersey, so having
that backup is an ultimate thing to have in case,
for some reason you go on a Nick Foles run
and you got a capable backup. At least you know
you have that. But to me, it's a good situation
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where you got the guy you believe in. You paid
them the money. This is your guy moving forward, but
you know you have a capable backup of Mac Jones.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, I'm glad that we said what you did because
we have a guy who agrees with you, and his
name is Michael mccorkile Jones. Here's Mac Jones after the
game talking about this budding quarterback controversy building in the bay.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well, shoot, man, I just you know, I just come
out and I'm having a good game and it's good
to God. But listen, man, this is Brock Party's team.
I'm the backup. I'm just trying to help my team win.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
You know.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
They brought me here as a backup and now my
job and Brock's the starter of this team and right
now he's dealing with something and for him to go
out there last week and play when you know he
probably wasn't a full full health like he cares about
this team, So I'm just trying to get some wins
for him so it helps us down the line.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Again, I'm glad that Mac agrees with you, because I don't.
We are seeing right now the Brock Party two point
zification of the San Francisco forty nine ers. Mac Jones
in his first three games, leads the NFL in passing
yards per game three hundred and won a game. He's
top ten in passer rating, he's top ten in QBR,
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he's top ten in in touchdowners said ratio. He is
doing everything that brock Party did three years ago. Remember
brock Purty exploded on the scene, not his first season
when he played only six games, I think the second
season with the made front of the Super Bowl. That year,
brock Purty tops in the NFL passer rating, yards per ten,
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touchdown percentage, you know, up near the topic in QBR
four thing complic percentage fifth and passing yards single season
franchise yards total, which is incredible. Will you consider how
many great quarterbacks have played for the Niners and what
you saw from brock Purty then in twenty twenty three,
which you're seeing from Mac Jones now in twenty twenty five,
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is for as much grief as Kyle Shanahan gets on
this show. Specifically because Rob Parker hates. Yeah, he wants
the fire. He wants the fire with a passion. His
system works. It's like novacine. You give it time, it's
gonna be effective. I am gonna scheme some dudes open.
Whether I have Brandon Ayuk or deebo said, or if
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I have Juwan Jennings and Ricky Pierce all over I
have Kendrick Bourn Like last night, I'm gonna find a
way to get these guys open. And if you are
on time and on target and shout out to Mac Jones.
Last night, average time per snap between snapping the ball
throwing it was just under two and a half seconds,
which would be the fastest in the NFL this side
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of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
When he can.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Play within structure, he's as good as anybody in the NFL.
And that's something that people like to poke fun about
and joke about and say, well, you're a system quarterback,
and how great could you possibly be. You can make
a lot of money and win a lot of games
being a system quarterback, No.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Disrespect to you.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
But Jared Goff, you could say, is a system guy.
Jared Goff doesn't have the livest arm. He's not the
most fleet of foot, but if you give him the
offense that he knows and understands, and he can scheme
it up the right way, he is gonna deliver it
with the best of them, he's gonna put it right
on the hands, so the guy's a mom Ross Saint
Brown can catch ball yard after catch. He's gonna hit
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Jamior Gibbs coming every swing route. He is gonna turn
a six yard pass and do a sixty yard pass
because he put it where it has to be. And
Matt Jones by playing within himself and not trying to
do too much, which is what brock Purdy had done
wrong for the last year and a half. Brock Purdy
has said so himself. The fact that all these guys
are banged up means he's gonna put on the Superman
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cape and he wants to do too much, and that
leads to him having a career worst passer rating this season,
having the lowest passing yards per game or shudi yards
per completion of his career because he's trying to do
everything outside of structure. He's trying to push the ball
down the field. He's trying to you know what, I
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don't have all my guys, So instead of just taking
his three yard pass and I don't know how good
my defense is, I'm gonna hold it a tick second
longer and try to get it down for a fifteen
yard pass, and that's not what they need with Kyle
Shanahan's offense. Matt Jones is making this a real contract
because he's just playing within the offense. He's not doing
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too much. He's not trying to be superman. And here's
the biggest reason why I think this could be a
real thing. Word not for the dollar amount that you
mentioned with the extension. Matt Jones, for all of his
faults and all of his limitations, was a better NFL
quarterback prospect coming out of college than brock Party. Of course,
there's a reason why he was rumored to go in
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the top three. There's the reason why he went in
the first round is because enough people saw the traits
that he does have. He's smart between the years, he's accurate,
he makes quick decisions that could lead to him having
a lot of success in the NFL. And you're seeing
it playing out right now, which is so again, to
sum it all up, this should be a real controversy
in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So I'm glad you're married, because if you went on
a date and after three dates, you'll be saying, in
their praise, I'm glad you out the game. He's been
objectively better than Brock Purdy. I'm glad you're out the game,
because here's the difference. When you are simply just the backup.
I don't have to act as though I'm a franchise player.
Rock Purty has to act as a franchise player, has
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to act as the guy who's trying to get these dubs,
just like the other guys, the Josh Allen's and the
Lamars and the Jared gar the guys who have to
put it on their shoulders from time to time of
Baker Mayfield. So Rock Purdy has felt the obligation of
a franchise quarterback. When you're the backup, and you know,
as Mac Jones just said, I'm the backup, it's easy
for me to come on. It's the opposite. I don't
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want to rock the boat. Simply want to do what
a mask, do what the Simpson is And here we go.
When you the team is looking at you and saying,
guys are injured, guys are hurt. Patrick Mahomes, we don't
have receivers this year. I need you to do it.
Lamar Jackson, we don't have running backs this year. A
couple years back, everybody hurt. Backfield is gone, but you
you try to make it happen. And that's the difference.
The luxury you have to have those guys either. Know
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what I'm saying is the luxury being a backup is
that you don't you keep coming And it's almost like
I'm only doing exactly as I'm asked. When you are
the franchise, there is an onus for you to get
it done and make some thing happening.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Period, find a way. Period.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
When you're the backup, you don't necessarily have that. Now,
I don't believe mac Jones is a to your point,
I don't think he was. Now the Pro Bowl gets crazy,
especially noway because nobody wants to disrespect Pro Bowl to
Mac Jones. They'd be picking fifth string guys to be quoted.
Nobody want to go to go do you want to go? Exactly? Seriously?
But my point is he can very much be a
quality quarterback, and I think more than ever and when
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over're up against it. We're seeing resurgence in quarterbacks right.
We're seeing Geno Smith all of a sudden become a
pro game. We're seeing Uh Sam Sam Darnod uh become one.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
We're seeing Obviously I just mentioned Baker, Jared Goffer cast
off and all of a sudden, now he's one of
the better ones.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
This is the era to do that.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So I think he's put himself in a great position
that somebody's gonna throw him a bag. But I don't
think if you're John Lynch down to Kyle Shanahan, you've
done too much to find your got to work out
a deal. I think you very much say we've got
our guy.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I got a question for you, Yes, do you think
they're already regretting that brock Perty contract.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It's a great question, uestion, and I'll answer that. On
the other side, it's The Odd Couple, Robb g and
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Speaker 1 (14:18):
One of the things I wanted to talk about was
we were just hinting on a little bit the last break.
There was just a great game that ended up being
Thursday night football. You know, Thursday Night it's a crapshoot
thurday night football. You don't know what you're gonna get.
It's gonna be a good one like last night. It
could be absolutely a toilet bawl, as I call them,
but we ended up getting a good one between two
rivals and the forty nine ers and the Rams. But
ultimately it came down to a couple of things in
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really good game that ends the game, that goes into overtime,
and one of the plays that everybody's going to talk about,
of course, is that fourth down run by Kyron Williams
that Sean McVay decides to go for.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
There.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Now, what made an interesting rob g is like they
were lined up like they're going for it, held on
four second, forty nine Ers called the timeout, Rams come back,
I think they might even call it that time. And
finally you get to the play and they run pretty
much essentially a quick handoff to Kyra Williams, who's probably
what five nine two hundred pounds behind two wide behind
two wide receivers up the gut, and you're just kind
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of like it was, okay, it was a terrible play card.
Let me let me dissect a few things here. Let
me get this scalpol real quick number one. The reason
why is the terrible play is because you probably have
the best receiver in the NFL, since Debo isn't quiet
what he used to be of. Just if I give
you the ball, you're getting three yards. I mean if
I just literally hype, well, I don't care, You're gonna
fall forward for two to three yards. Aj Brown could
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be in that comparison as well. He just doesn't get
the ball enough. He's a polar opposite of the Pooka
whomever for the po gets all the time. AJ Brown
poo could give me some of the receptions, I don't
get them. I don't want him as my quarterback. I
don't want him as my quarterback. Pook And the cool
gets all the receptions. You know what also Pooka has
you see and you saw it last night. They do
little rub routes. Davante Adams kind of does little things
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that get get just get him open a little bit
because he's gonna catch the ball for four or five yards,
then get another five or six because he's like that.
And so the idea that you wouldn't run a play
for your best offensive weapon or your other one. And
Devonte was just huge in general, just give him, let
him just fall for a yard, and that you would
run it with the running back that's not built like that.
You're not giving it to Derrick Henry. You're not giving
it to you know, Jerome Bett, some other guys from
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back in the day, beast mode where you know they're
gonna get this yard. And you didn't run behind as
you mentioned, the big lineup, You didn't have the bigs
out there. So that was just a bad play and
there's no way through timeouts. That's what you come up
with unless as Sean mcvayh talked about, he said, essentially
it was a bad call on me. He was mad
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about going for it. He said he got his ego
got in the way, and I do believe that matter.
I think he looked across the field. I think he
saw his counterpart in Kyle Say and you know, two
of the smarter young guys in the NFL the last
handful of years. I think he got too caught up
in that. I think he got caught in the fact
that why are we even why are we even having
to try to win this game? Not blowing them out.
They have no receivers, they have nobody out there. They
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got to backup quarterback. How are we even a position
to even potentially lose this game. I think that weighed
in on as well, and I think he just made
a bad decision. And when I was watching that, this
is one of the things that I have to give
credit to and it drives me crazy. Let me preface
sometimes as a fan of said person and said team,
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Dan Campbell, Dan Gamble, Dan Campbell and the Lions, because
one of the things they've gone for four downs at
a higher rate than just about anybody. We all know
they're gonna do it is that because that's who we are,
meaning the team. They're built like it, and they all
know this is what we do. You've heard to talk
about it for the last few years. They're like, this
is what we do, we practice it, we want to
do it. We actually will be mad if we didn't
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do it. And to a fault, it did bite them
in the NFC Championship game against the forty nine ers
as well, but they're prepared for that. And Sean McVay,
who is one of the more conservative quarterbacks I'm sorry, coach,
is when it comes to going for things on fourth down,
doesn't really do it often as far as the league
is kind of trajectory going up, they don't do it
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as much. I think that's the difference when you're not
prepared for it. The Lions do this. They'll go for two,
they'll go for fourth down, they'll go for fourth down
and fourth and six. You know, everybody, Okay, we'll go
for fourth and one. They'll go for fourth and six
if they want to. And their Bill Ford, they've trained
for it. Mentally, they're prepared and it seems like they
always draw up the right play. And you can see
Sean McVay got out of his skis, got he got
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into his ego bag. I want to show that I'm
the brainiac. I want to show it's not Kyle. I
want to show that we're gonna be big and we're
gonna do this and we're gonna win the game. And
he got a little you know, and the rams right
now this season there's been some struggle with that. I
am not This isn't a hymn thing. This is maybe
a special teams coach. How are you getting kicks blocked regularly?
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Now?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Why are you missing kicks regularly? Now?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And Sean McVay is an incredible coach. But right now,
they've been a couple of games where they're probably you know,
they wake up today like how are we not five?
Speaker 4 (18:57):
And oh, how are we not five?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And oh we make a field goal against them, them
being the Eagles, we get this four down, we score.
You know, if I don't overthink it, I have the
best player at the balls, who Matthew Stafford. Let him
throw one of his those side passes to Pooka. Now
it's center five and oh but instead they're three and two.
And I mentioned it to Is yesterday when Rob was here,
said they got to win this game because now forty
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nine ers or four and one Seahawks will have their
game with a chance to be four and one. And
you just don't want to keep falling down the vision
thinking all will bounce back, because you just don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
And there's other teams.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Right we look at the NFC North, looks like the
Lions could win the division or at least be right
there with the Packers.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
There's others.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
You just don't know how things work out, where you
look at yourself and you're like, how the heck do
we how the heck do we not make the postseason
this year. But that was an example of me of
just not being overly prepared for those types of things
when you look at the counterpart of an example like
a Dan Gamble, Dan Campbell, where they're you cannot want
us to do it, but we're going to and this
is what we do and we're ready to execute it
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because this is who we are, because this is exactly
who we are.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Now, I agree with you, and I'm not gonna say
I won't go so far as say that Sean McVay,
you know, is shook when it comes to Kyle shanahan,
but he definitely doesn't act like himself when he's coaching
against Kyle Shanahan. And maybe it's because he had that
eleven and six of Raiders season record head to head
and the one win again shout out to Rob Parker
(20:19):
that he has in the posty. They faced off once
in the playoffs anc championship game. If Jakwoski's hard catches
an interception that hits him in the chest, then he's
owned one in the playoffs too.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Boy, if he got a penny for every time, y'all
his memory bonaire.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Right, So someone's got to I'm glad it could be
the Ode couple. But Sean McVay, who is a great coach,
He is gonna be in the Hall of Fame. He
has his own tree, Like we're half the league is
guys who either worked with Sean McVay or knew Sean
McVay at a certain point in time so they got
hired as a job in the NFL. He is a
phenomenal coach, but there is something about when he goes
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against Kyle Shannan, And maybe it's because McVeigh technically is
part of Shanahan Street. If you want to play that
game where he always feels like it's.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
To your point.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I gotta I gotta one up this guy like he
we both know what we want to do, we both
know each other inside and out. So I'm gonna zig
when I normally didn't because he expected me to zag.
So I kind of got to overthinking, over smart my
own self to beat this guy. And that's a problem
because you're gonna face him twice a year normally. When
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these teams are healthy, they're gonna be really good and
there's a good chance in might face shut there in
the postseason. So if you can't allow yourself in a
game like last night where Matthew staffords though for three
eighty nine, three touchdowns no picks. To your point, you
have the best player on the field in Buka Nakua, who,
aside from being the best wide receiver this season, he's
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arguably been the best player like this side of Lamar Jackson.
Just want to snap by snap basis he's been that good.
And your decision is after a timeout to run a
running half back dive behind two wide receivers with the
small back the small running back. It's like, the obvious
answer is too obvious. I can't do that because Kyle's
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expecting me to be obvious. So I gotta I gotta
really out smart him here by call something like this, And.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
That's that's a problem.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
But to your final point, this might be my bigger
takeaway from last night's game is I don't know if
the Rams are good like And this hurts me to
say because my dad, rest in Piece is a diehard
Rams fan.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
You know, even in heavity, he's a Rams fan.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I'm sure look at you right now, I'm I'm sure
he would have called me like, Man, did you see
that game last night with that they're like, you know, but.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
They beat Houston, who we know now is not any good.
It was fourteen nine.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
It was a struggle in that game. They struggled for
three quarters against Tennessee, who was winless at zero to four.
Those are teams are combined one and seven. The only
reason Houston even has a win is because they faced
Tennessee last week, so one of them had to win,
right Yep, Philadelphia spotted them an entire half of football
where they didn't show up and still found a way
to win that game last week in Indianapolis, which is
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a good win for them because Indianapolis is much better
people think. If you watch that game and you're not
just looking at the box score, Ady Mitchell has a
long touchdown where he drops the ball going to the
end zone.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
That's okay. People can't just wait, Why do they got
to Deshaun Jackson? It every time?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
But that happens, And on what should have been the
game winning touchdown run by Jonathan Taylor, Ady Mitchell again
has a phantom holding call which wipes it out, which
eventually preserves the win for the Rams. And then you
happened last night where they go against a short handed
team which statistically this season was the biggest upset in
the NFL, even bigger than the Browns beating.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
The Packers a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
According to Vegas, that win last night by San Francisco
was the most improbable victory of the young NFL season.
So you have two wins against bad teams Houston Tennessee.
You blow a game against Philadelphia, you blow a game
against a short handed San Fransco forty nine ers team,
and you have I guess you would call a good
win against the Colts. But we all know what should
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have happened in that game. What our eyes tell us
is that you lost that game. They had you dead
to rights and you got saved by a couple of
flukey plays. So I ask you again, are we sure
that the Los Angeles Rams with Matthew Stafford, who's playing
really well, Pookin Nakool looks like the best player in football,
Davante Adams having a resurgence season. Are we sure they're
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actually even any good?
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I'll tell you. On the other side, it's the Ocobarabzi.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
And for Rob Parker on a fin right Friday stick
with your boys, it is the Ocoba.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
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Speaker 1 (24:54):
Why are seaw mcteams saw McVay teams? They kind of overachieve.
We all kind of go, oh, they're three and five,
then they go the five game run or whatever. Last
year they couldn't score more than eighteen points for a
handle against What is it about it?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Even this year they could be five and oh, but
they're not.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
I think you have to give them credit for the
reset they did. People forget Aaron Donnell retired, they moved
on from Jalen Ramsey, Cooper Cups not there. Like a
lot of the core pieces of that initial line the
Super Bowl win are not there.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
That's a fair point.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
The time period they've rebuilt the majority of it, they
deserve a lot of credit. I still think there are
a couple of pieces away. The alarming thing for me
they're undersized on the back end of their defense. They
could not tackle the forty nine ers. How many times
last night did the forty nine and ball carry out
get yards after initial contact? So when I watched that game,
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I didn't get caught. I fixed the division game. Division
games are generally always competitive. Yeah, some things happen that
don't normally happen. You missed a field goal, you get
extra point block, Karan Williams fumbles on the goal line,
did you take away any of those things? May probably win,
but big picture, they've got to figure out how to
get the ball carrier on the ground. They're very light
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on the back end. A lot of athleticism, but not
a lot of figs, Skinny guys, thin frame guys. To me,
that's gonna be the Achilles heel as this season continues well.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Sticking with that game to the other side though, this
for forty nine Ers, Matt Jones, who he might be
starting a quarterback controversy, currently leads the NFL in passing
yards per game. He's top ten and pass rating top
ten and QBR top ten and touchdown interception ratio. What
are your thoughts on what mac Jones is doing right now?
Especially with the show handed Niners offense.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
It magnifies the mistake that John Lynch and Kyle Shannon
had enough forty nine Ers made a couple of years ago.
They had a chance to sit tight and draft mac
Jones and they would have had two extra first round
picks over the last two years. Who knows what those
would have turned into. For some reason, they didn't take
the guy that was a perfect fit coming out of Alabama.
Thing about mac Jones with Davante's Smith and those guys
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and Steve Starkeysan he fits the cal Shanahan to some
perfect Why they would give up all the asset capital
they did to move up and take a raw talent
like Trey Lance still baffles me. But I think this
just magnifies that mistake.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I an't think that's a good point. Rob g and
I had a whole conversation about it. It's a very
goo point. That's that's a very very good point, Sean King.
Our guests here on the Eye Couple, Rob g and
for Rope and Kelvin Washington on a fucking flashback Friday.
I want to stick with one more thing from that game.
Were you you down with the call? Did you like
the call going for forth with Kyrie Williams fourth down
Rams trying to go ahead get that in the ultimately
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trying to win that game? Where you did you like
the call? Would you like to see something different? Would
you rather than kick the field goal?
Speaker 5 (27:43):
The play in and of itself wasn't a bad call.
The way he presented the play was terrible. It was
a situation where Sanrancisco had eight men in the box
and he ran the ball with Jordan Whittingham and Paul
Poka Nakula as the primary blockers. That's why the play
didn't work. If you don't whine that play, I think
you got it being your big personnel, three Tidian, big
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body guys, guys that can actually change the line of scrimmage,
and you got a better chance. I think that they
would tell you it's not the play call, it was
the presentation of the play. Like true receivers trying to
block the d N and the linebackers, it's generally not
gonna work.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Yeah, that's an understatement.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
The other big story this week, well there's two really,
but one of I want to talk about Shador Sanders.
You know, the whole fiasco going on in Cleveland where
they benched Joe Flacco and yet Shadure stays as the
number three quarterback there in Cleveland. Number one, Your thoughts
on him not being elevated to number two. And secondly,
it was reported earlier today by The Athletic that one
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of the reasons why he's not being elevated to the
depth chart is that when Cleveland drafted him, they only
ever viewed him as a developmental prospect and never was
seriously in their long term.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Plans at quarterback. What are your thoughts on that situation.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
I think you'd have to be inside the meetings to
have the actual factual truth. The thing that popped into
my mind was one Dylan Gabel deserves the full support
of everybody with this opportunity and having Shador at the backup.
If Dylan plays bad, then automatically, what does the tenor
and tone become? Let's go to Shador also. And I'm
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not sure exactly, but a lot of teams don't keep
the third quarterback on the active roster for game day,
and if the third quarterback plays, none of the other
quarterbacks can go into the game. So I looked at it,
say Dylan has to come out for a play for
equipment or something if the third stringer goes in and
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none of the other two could play. So that's how
I was looking at it, and I would know for
sure if I'm right or wrong. At some point Shador
starts and Fly goes the backup and dealing is a
third Then the way I looked at it makes sense.
If not, it kind of is what it is. Guys,
Like here, here's the thing with this whole thing. Sir
Door chose to approach the draft process in the way
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he won on it. It didn't work. You alienated different teams.
We told the Ravens not to draft. You say, the
Ravens takes you doing the third or fourth round like
they wanted to. He's starting Sunday, the Baltimore Ravens. So
he made choices. Now you got to live with those choices.
You can't play the victim out of It's gonna play
out how it play out. When he gets his opportunity,
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if it gets it, you gotta be ready to go.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, were obviously. I just have a feeling that he's
not gonna go anywhere too. And we kind of knew
going into the season this will be one of the
bigger storylines even and.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Let me say, let me set it before we leave this,
because I know there are a lot of coaches that
listen to this, a lot of young quarterbacks. When you
take the line and Shuder has taken. You don't ever
get to play victim, and you don't ever get to
make an excuse if you perform bad. If you take
the humble approach, the team is bigger than I approach
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to be cam Woarre. Kim One hadn't played great yet,
but nobody's a Kim wored because they look at him
as a good guy. We're gonna give him time, We're
gonna give him grace. And so that's what I think
Shad is finding out. He's finding the other side of
being flamboyant bagadocious. And you can choose to do whatever
you want to do. I'm just saying you got to
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live with the outcomes.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Of that short And you know what, Dagga, Sean, I
thought I was gonna move on, but I blame you.
So let me add to that. I look at what
his response from his father was and he said, he laughed,
I know, did you see it at all?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Sean?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
He said, haha, I you know, he said, good one, son.
And one of the things that I think the difference
is he's not you, Dion. You could come to the
draft iced out, golded out, that era gold everywhere Jerry
Curle dripping looking good cause you were put third or
fourth pick.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
You were that guy.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
You were that guy once you got to league, and
I think the difference so you can do certain things.
You were so much that guy you played in MLB
and World seriesly right, like, he's not that and there
is a different approach that has to be you have
to humble, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
I love Dion Sanders. I want them to succeed at Colorado.
I think he's a great marketer. I think he's probably
one of the best personal brand ambassadors we've ever seen.
As a professional athlete. He knows absolutely nothing about quarterback.
And that's why I think the disconnect is Dion played
a position. I played quarterback to the Bucks versus Dion.
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I could take Dion completely out of the game by saying,
I'm not going to throw the ball there. So when
you play a position where you can be eliminated and
you can't control it, you have to go above and
beyond personality wise in order to create a brand, in
order to be well known, or no matter how good
you are, end up being Daryl Green. None wrong being
Daryl Green. But he's not gonna get the marketing opportunities
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beon does he's not flamboyant like Dion. The thing that
I would tell Stu, you play quarterback to get outside
opportunities at that position. You touch the ball so much
here in the spotlight so much. All you have to
do is be good. You'll need the extras.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
That's real.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Yeah, And that's why I think that this connected. Dion
knows how to do it his way. But his son,
the only one of the sons that ended up really
having probability, happens to play quarterback, and Prime wants him
to be Prime junior. But he plays a position where
people don't really don't really accept that kind of braggadocious
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energy at that position, especially for somebody that's unproven.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
That's the key part to manage that unproven. Ye all,
shall we get to get here on this one. We
got coup about a mill and a half left. Lamar
Jackson's out this week with the hamshring injury. There's a
report now he's going to be out through the bye
week with Baltimore at one in three? Number one, do
you think that's the wise move to rest him through
the bike Can they even afford to do it? And
Number two what's wrong with the Ravens. I know you
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got a minute, but quickly for one.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
I don't think they're resting Lamar. You can say what
you want about Lamar. The one thing he's never shown
us is that if he's capable of playing, he doesn't
play like I know they had the one contract dispute
at the end of the year where he didn't go
to the playoff game, whatever. But but over the course
of his career he's been available, so I will presume
that he's not capable of performing Sunday. Having said that,
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the Ravens got complacent. They stopped paying attention to detail.
They stopped prioritizing the fundamentals, and that's what's gotten them beat.
Protecting the football, making tackles in space, having the right
pad level, attacking the right hip, fundamentally sound on my throws,
you know, seeing the ball in on my catcher. They
got away from the fundamentals and having attention to detail,
(34:35):
and now they're losing close games that they will normally win.
Can they fix it? Yes? Is it going to be hard?
Absolutely because of the injuries.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Here and Sean King, appreciate you man. As always, We'll
do it again.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Next week Enjolia weekend. Hey, last thing before I go,
Florida State is beating Miami.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Ooh, there you have it. You got it from him.
I'm putting some money down.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, say put some money on that bank, on that Sean.
We'll talk about it next week as well. Appreciate you
as always, man,
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