October 6, 2025 • 20 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether the Philadelphia Eagles’ general style of winning is conducive to long-term success this season, tell us if John Harbaugh needs to be on the hot seat as the Baltimore Ravens continue to spiral, and take the Philadelphia Phillies to task for the bizarre baserunning decision in the 9th inning of their Game 3 loss to the Los Angeles Dodgers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
And Rob g Let's go Eagles. They lose first time.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
They had won eighteen in a row, twenty one out
of twenty two, and they lose on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Well, they won ten straight. Jalen Hurts had the eighteen
because remember he didn't finish that game.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
That's right, Jalen. Jalen Hurts is different animal.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yes, they lost on Sunday to the Denver Broncos, and
it was a big game because all last week and
he had the last couple of weeks. There's been conversation
about the passing offense. AJ Brown's not happy to mont
de Smith's not happy. So what the Eagles did on Sunday,
they say, hey, we are gonna feed are two big
wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Nice good job.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Even though they came in ranked thirty first NFL in passing.
They attempted thirty eight passes on Sunday and ran the
ball just eleven times, And needless to say, it backfire
on because you mentioned their ten game win streak is
no more than Eagles try to flip the script on
their identity and it backfired in a big way.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
You know, me and you talked about the Eagles rob
a couple of obviously a couple of times over the
last few years, and I can't make out what the
heck the Eagles are other than they're starting to be
a chink in the armor.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Something's going on with them.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
And I think that last play that held Mary that
they could have caught Davonte Smith looked like he was
actually about to grab it, and AJ Brown said, it
starts to catching the ball. I'm gonna catch Davonte's neck.
It's just body slammed his old teammate to the ground.
And I think that play is more indigative of what
the Eagles are looking like right now internally and externally.
(01:54):
AJ Brown didn't have the wherewithal the sense of say,
Davonte Smith might come down with this, so they both
end up on the ground as a shot of them
just laying on each other at the end of that game.
Something is going on, Robinie. Does it makes sense considering
you know, they're the ragning champs, They've got time together,
same coach and I guess the new coach. They got
the same kind of core, so you would think they'd
be locked and loaded in as far as where they are.
(02:15):
And man, something is off and a couple of things
to note. Number one, the thing they've they've done nothing else.
They've run the ball, right, that's what they do. They
were second all last year averaging one hundred and so
they had an unbelievable running back.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
What an unbelievable year, well as what I'm saying, one
hundred and seventy nine yards.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
He's yeah, but the defenses are playing different Sakwan is
not going to get two thousand.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
They don't need two thousands.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
I'm saying more than thirty on six carries in the
second half verst Denver. If something is off right now
with the rushing attack, he's averaging three point one yards
of carry, which is the worst for the Eagles in
like thirty years. So something's going on with the running game,
which is fine. Okay, you say, well, like you said,
people are focusing it on the rushing now because that's
what we've done well.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
So we're airing it out.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
As Rob Jesus mentioned, their last in passing, they went
a half without a completed pass. They've got a couple
of hands with only seven yards one.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
How many games have they won?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
They're four and one right now, and they're a block
field goal. They don't make that from being worst record.
They just something.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
We could sit here all day and talk about that
at all. All block field goals.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Somebody fumbles, somebody threw Oh if the charges, if the
Chargers didn't throw interception, they would be Washington.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
They're throwing interception. The game don't play and the Eagles don't.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Look I'm not concerned at all because I remember last
year and we can find the tape.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yes, you were going into the Super Bowl. Oh look
at Jalen Hurds. He don't look good. There's something wrong
with them.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I know you were hoping that, you know, so that
the Lions could beat them or something. So you were
kind of talking to it because you were talking down
about Jalen Hurts and how he was performing and he
was the weak link. And guess who was the Super
Bowl MVP. It was you thought was the weak lengk
let me.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Let's run a tape. Let's be clear what I said.
My concern with Jalen Hurts, and it still stands. My
concern was if he were in a shootout, could he
pull it off. Not that Jalen Hurts can't win a game.
You don't have to be in a shootout, But that
was my concern. If I have to say, Jalen Hurts,
go win it. Jalen Hurts has gotten the job done.
He's been, he's been, He's had a heck of a career.
I'm not even arguing that if I said to you right.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Now, arguing wrong, if I said nothing is wrong, nothing
is wrong, nothing is wrong.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
And can't run the balls. The teams go through this.
You said that about the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
The Steelers can't run the ball. Aaron Rodgers is forty one. No,
I'm saying what you said. Hold on, listen to what
I'm saying. You said that earlier.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
They're three and one and haven't even played one game
at home. My point is football is very simple. It's
about wins and losses. Stop with the how it looks.
How it looks doesn't.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
You're not total doesn't power looks okay, does not.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Let's pull the lose, let's for in the row.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Okay, then you could go and Rob only would say
this to Rob because Rob set up here an entirely
last year knocking the Chiefs, who did the exact same thing.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Knowing all all season long.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
No, they did nothing but win to the two of
the six fifteen and one, and then what happened.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
In the super Bowl. All I said happened in super Bowl.
So don't tell me happen.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Don't tell you. No, told you tire, they weren't super Bowl, Yes,
the entire teason.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Telling me they don't look good.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Something wrong. I don't like the way they win. This
can't keeping you did. They can't keep winning like that.
I don't like that's what you said. So all I'm
saying is no Eagles, something is off with them, because
again I'm not the different The difference is on that
story is the Eagles have.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
A track record. They won the Super Bowl, and people.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Take one one super Bowl and three who has a
track record said the same thing last year.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
All I'm telling you is I'm not I'm not gonna
get my pennies.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
They lost the game, But you've been looking for a year.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
They've been playing fining for a J. Brown.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Just man figure it out last year going into the
super Bowl that he was the weak link. And now
about a great team? You concerned about it? And great team?
Speaker 6 (06:24):
And what was the t v P?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
The v P?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It wasn't the offensive line exactly, wasn't the defensive line.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
It was him and guy?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
You said, And so what's going on when I have
both of my star receivers questioning me DeVante Smith, who
doesn't see you? I say, the receivers do. Then you
have that's what they do. Then you have running back
and it's about is off with e won through? Absolute
got to stop and they got what twelve more games
(06:55):
to go, and then they got to go through and
something the Eagles And if you don't have to buy it,
I'll buy it for you. In fact, I'll buy two
packs of it each. Something is off with them and
I don't know what it is, and I don't know
how they remedy it, but they can't keep their This
is not sustainable whinning winning these games?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
What does that mean? What are you saying? So? What
are you saying? They're not gonna make the playoffs. They're
not gonna win the division for them.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
So what are you saying, not gonna win a super
Bowl like this?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Okay, you can put a stamp on that, on that.
That's easy to say because teams don't repeat.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
It's hard to wait, wait, because that's what you said
about the Chiefs the whole entire year, and they're not
easy to say that.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You waste my whole year because.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I say everybody in their uncle picked the Chiefs because
they were the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Told you yeah, like they didn't get to the super Bowl. No,
but it didn't matter. I told you every week you
kept picking the it wasn't gonna. I didn't pick them
to lose.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Rock has the stat it was twelve games.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I picked every the lines and you picked the chief
We literally can't no do know we do it big
and right. I don't have that.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
You could go back to the little b He did
it already twelve to no way, I picked twelve times
a get the Chiefs. He's calling you out, thank you, Fine,
it was ten, fix ten. He just said it was ten.
It's ten.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I just saw fun because he's on the phone. Twice.
Mary piped down and how you calling you out? Mary.
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Speaker 5 (09:16):
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Speaker 4 (09:24):
Coming in a Sunday, it'd only scored five touchdowns as
a team had five. They scored six against the Baltimore Ravens.
They ended up winning forty four. The thirty four point
loss tied for the second worst margin defeat under John Harbaugh.
Their largest home defeats is twenty thirteen. The forty four
points they allowed is the most in a home game
in Harbaugh's eighteen seasons at a coach. Obviously a low
(09:47):
point for Harball and that much beleaguer defense. Even still,
he decided he's gonna stick with defensive coordinator Zach or
even as they continue to suffer ameliating defeat after him
aating defeat and in fact, Kyle.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Van Nois, one of their veteran leaders.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
On defense, was asked after the game, if you know, again,
another blowout loss, another situation where the defense doesn't even
show up.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Till we dropped about the Lions. Kyle, yeah, I think
he was go ahead.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I was asked if he thought that maybe John Harbaugh
and Zach Gore's messaging was no longer getting through to
the team.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Take a listen news response.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
Do you feel like the messages that are coming from
John or Zach or whoever aren't getting through in some way.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
You know, I'm.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
That's a that's probably a question that's above my pay grade.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Probably.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
I think that's a harbond Z question, to be honest, Like,
I think their messaging is fine, and we got to
be the group to take that and go out and
do the simple things right, the fundamentals, easy basic stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I said this after week one when they blew the
game in Buffalo. At some point, John Harbaugh, come, come,
come on, really is.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
This and I get it, Lamar's out. You want to
use that as an excuse.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You can't use it as an excuse because the defense
gives up forty points. And it started in Buffalo when
they when they blew that game that Lamar and them
came out and put a forty piece on the opening
night on the road and they lost, and they lost,
and I said John Harbaugh should be fired. And everybody, oh,
(11:31):
you're a prisoner of the moment. All are you gonna
get to go blah blah blah? And now look where
they are. They're in a hole that they're not gonna
get out of. I mean, this is gonna be a
wast season. They're not gonna fix this. The DC doesn't
get fired after they gave up six touchdowns to the
Houston Texans.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Seriously that alone.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Wait a minute, they scored five touchdowns coming into the
game all season and they got six on us.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Richard Key and clicker, Okay.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Your car so mad? He like, why couldn't I have
that defense? I had the face, I could have stayed
in the league. Right, David Carr somewhere met you think
I'm crazy. I'm serious about Harball.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I know when you start, when you start holding onto
your guys and nobody get is held accountable. You talk
about players being held accountable, right, where's the coaches? Ain't
no way. The coaches have to somewhat be held accountable
as well on why this isn't happening and why they're
so bad.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
So when we had this conversation, I was not firing
John Harball. Here is my issue with John Harball and
my conversations if I'm the general manager that would have
to have with him or he needs to have with
himself in the mirror.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
A couple of things.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Number One, you talk about the defensive coordinator, who's still safe.
You don't have to update his LinkedIn page as we speak.
But when I look at these numbers, you can't be this.
You can't be last in points allowed per game, which
is obvious as we've talked about they giving up points
to everybody, thirty five point four.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
You can't be the worst defense.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Ron yards you think they're giving up a game three
and twenty, I'm just four hundred and sevenyards a game
is crazy. Past defense, you're second to last giving up
two hundred and sixty six. And then run defense, you're
twenty seven giving up one hundred and forty one. That's horrendous.
(13:19):
You can't be bad at stopping to run and stopping
the pass. Absolutely horrific. Here's another issue I have they
lack of awareness right now because he's probably thinking, man, some
sometimes I hear him talk as if they were a
player two away.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Man, we just you know, we got to tighten up.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
We're just he's making it like, oh man, if we
you know we got a bad pass interference caller, Man,
we had the one bad fumble.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
No, I just read you the numbers of how bad
it is.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Also, you know what I think is happening to them,
And this happens when you have greatness I think they've
gotten Lamar Jackson's spoil where the defense is used to God,
we're gonna put up thirty to forty five points, will
be good. Even if we get down me and you said,
all he can go down O three, They'll be fine
as Lamar. And I think the team as a hold
(14:04):
in the defense specifically has just gotten used to we
got Lamar, will be all right. And that isn't how
you operate. If you're trying to get to that next level.
You should be saying, man, we got Lamar all week week. Man,
we want to help Lamar. We want to make sure
we are that additive to him so that he ever
has a bad night.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
God forbid Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Ever have a bad nights y he loses, you know,
a couple of intercepts, we got his back, you know.
And that's what the Chiefs were able to do. Patrick
Mahols wasn't great last year or the year before, but
they were able to defense, able to hold it down.
You know, when Peyton Manny finally won a championship, what
do we say, man, if he ever had a defense
finally had Mathis and Freedy and Bob Sanders and those guys,
(14:44):
and they had a defense that can say, hey, if
you're ever just normal, Like they weren't a Super Bowl,
they won, remember what the against the Bears, they weren't great,
thankfully at a defense that can hold it down as well.
My point is I think the Ravens have gotten so
Lamar centric that they just they haven't figured out another way.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And last, but this is just this is really.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Bad, like something something internally is wrong, Like like I'm
not saying they're gonna be the greatest defense. This is
the Ravens defense that won a Super exactly, you know
what I mean. But but this is really forty points
a game and the cough up that game in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
You remember where Josh Allen had.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Two hundred and seventy five yards or two fifty in
the fourth quarter. That's not a that's not like a
mishap like somebody made a bad play or turned around,
got turned around.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
That's like you're not stopping anybody.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
The Lions rushed for two hundred and fifty yards like that,
Like there's there's something else there internally that can't be
all the players. And that's why I'm saying, at some point,
what will it take you to say, John Harborough won
a Super Bowl. I was like many many many years
ago and it's been nothing but disappointment.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
That's why I'm saying I think it should be time.
What are you waiting on?
Speaker 5 (15:53):
I'm gonna say this, just like an eye in your house,
you know, or an oven. You start to warm that
thing and your'ight throw a pizza you got warm it up.
I'm warming up to see it ain't hot, but it's warm.
Because again, you know me, I like stability. I don't
want to just get rid of a guy and then go, uh.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
You come here, you take the job. Now.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
If you're on your job and you got a search
that you found the new Kyle Shanahan, m Flores, Sean
McVay or something, then okay, that's a different conversation. But
I'm not a fan of just firing a guy just
and then closing your eyes and looking around. But something
is definitely has to change it again for me, they
have to picture themselves. We have to be good at
all fast. It can't just be well, we got Lamar.
(16:33):
He'll figure it out, because that's not fair to Lamar.
Because in order to win, there are gonna be times
where your run he wasn't his best, but you picked
him up, because that's happened to every great quarterback. There
are times where that defense picked him up, their special
teams picked them up other guys around them. They ran
the ball and just kept ran the ball thirty five times.
This mighty found someone's throat. Whatever happened to that? So, yeah,
(16:53):
they need a hold for philosophy change right now because
something's going on.
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Speaker 3 (17:10):
You have been just beyond mad right now at the Phillies. No,
and it's not an anti Dodger thing.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
It's just based on I'll give you could you set
it to right when we first saw it, And here's
the issue that we have. Okay, So the Phillies came
storming back. It was for to nothing. Bottom of the night.
They get three straight hits. You know, it's it's four
to three. They have a man on second, is nobody out,
and the Phillies decide that they're gonna bunt the runner
(17:39):
over the third base. The tying run, not not the
winning the tying run. It didn't make any sense. He's
in scoring position. He can score from there. You don't
need to be at dirt, right. You can't afford him
to get out what you got out at third base.
(18:00):
The Max Muntsey fielded the bunt and through the mookie
who came from short stop to cover third.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I don't know what they were thinking.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
They think the Dodgers are gonna allow you just to
butt and move over without trying to throw you out,
like they'll try. If they didn't get it, then there's
runners on first and third. They have to play the
infield in any way. Try to get a line drive
at somebody. My point is you had three chances to
knock in the time run.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And guess what. Two of the next three guys got hits.
The next guy got a hit.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
You got two hits after that, right, And the crazy
part again is no outs.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Three batters to at least have a chance to knock
him in, or somebody could hit a ball. Say that
left ended batter hit a ball a second base, he
moves over the third sacrifice fly.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
The games they were no outs.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Too, And the way you got you know, if you're
looking at it, if you're the Phillies. The way you're
hitting the ball, you got a chance to mess around
and not only just tie this thing, take a lead.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
How who's that's overmanaging that?
Speaker 5 (19:03):
And that's to me when we talk with you and
I had we talked baseball all the time, and I
bring this up, it's just it seems like the the field,
the natural field, the gut instinct of the game is gone.
It's very much well, this is exactly what you do
on this exact situation.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
We have it written down. Here's the formula, the winning formula.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I don't like that formula taking a run around it
because immediately what I say, now, you got one out
and that's and that didn't score, right, and that that's
a better double play could have ended the game at
that point.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
And they wound up getting two more hits, but they couldn't.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Score, and you had the Dodgers shook it because the
Bill Penn, We've been talking about the bullpen for now
three four weeks.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Even the night, even if though they won that game,
you look at a bullpen and you go, dude, this
is happening on a regular base.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
And it happened in a couple of games already in
the postseason. What did I tell you? I said, Dodger
have to get six.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
The reds against the red score runs against the bullpen.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
I said, the Dodgers have to get six runs the
field to kind of go and feel comfortable, which is
crazy because that just can't be sustainable.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
You can't keep needing to have, you know, a million
runs per game.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Like your offense is looking at it like it's opposite
of the schoobl and the Tigers. Right, He's looking like, uh,
what more do y'all want from me? Can I get
a hit more than two three hits in the game?
And the Dodgers the opposite. They're like, man, we're putting
up crazy getting no hit for most of the game.
I mean, schoolbl He's got to be perfect, Like they don't.
They never score any great game. Gave up two solo
(20:24):
home runs, and he's looking at his team like, can
I get some help?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
What more do y'all want from me?
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
And Rob g Let's go Eagles. They lose first time.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
They had won eighteen in a row, twenty one out
of twenty two, and they lose on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Well, they won ten straight. Jalen Hurts had the eighteen
because remember he didn't finish that game.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
That's right, Jalen. Jalen Hurts is different animal.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yes, they lost on Sunday to the Denver Broncos, and
it was a big game because all last week and
he had the last couple of weeks. There's been conversation
about the passing offense. AJ Brown's not happy to mont
de Smith's not happy. So what the Eagles did on Sunday,
they say, hey, we are gonna feed are two big
wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Nice good job.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Even though they came in ranked thirty first NFL in passing.
They attempted thirty eight passes on Sunday and ran the
ball just eleven times, And needless to say, it backfire
on because you mentioned their ten game win streak is
no more than Eagles try to flip the script on
their identity and it backfired in a big way.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
You know, me and you talked about the Eagles rob
a couple of obviously a couple of times over the
last few years, and I can't make out what the
heck the Eagles are other than they're starting to be
a chink in the armor.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Something's going on with them.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
And I think that last play that held Mary that
they could have caught Davonte Smith looked like he was
actually about to grab it, and AJ Brown said, it
starts to catching the ball. I'm gonna catch Davonte's neck.
It's just body slammed his old teammate to the ground.
And I think that play is more indigative of what
the Eagles are looking like right now internally and externally.
(01:54):
AJ Brown didn't have the wherewithal the sense of say,
Davonte Smith might come down with this, so they both
end up on the ground as a shot of them
just laying on each other at the end of that game.
Something is going on, Robinie. Does it makes sense considering
you know, they're the ragning champs, They've got time together,
same coach and I guess the new coach. They got
the same kind of core, so you would think they'd
be locked and loaded in as far as where they are.
(02:15):
And man, something is off and a couple of things
to note. Number one, the thing they've they've done nothing else.
They've run the ball, right, that's what they do. They
were second all last year averaging one hundred and so
they had an unbelievable running back.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
What an unbelievable year, well as what I'm saying, one
hundred and seventy nine yards.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
He's yeah, but the defenses are playing different Sakwan is
not going to get two thousand.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
They don't need two thousands.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
I'm saying more than thirty on six carries in the
second half verst Denver. If something is off right now
with the rushing attack, he's averaging three point one yards
of carry, which is the worst for the Eagles in
like thirty years. So something's going on with the running game,
which is fine. Okay, you say, well, like you said,
people are focusing it on the rushing now because that's
what we've done well.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
So we're airing it out.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
As Rob Jesus mentioned, their last in passing, they went
a half without a completed pass. They've got a couple
of hands with only seven yards one.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
How many games have they won?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
They're four and one right now, and they're a block
field goal. They don't make that from being worst record.
They just something.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
We could sit here all day and talk about that
at all. All block field goals.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Somebody fumbles, somebody threw Oh if the charges, if the
Chargers didn't throw interception, they would be Washington.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
They're throwing interception. The game don't play and the Eagles don't.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Look I'm not concerned at all because I remember last
year and we can find the tape.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yes, you were going into the Super Bowl. Oh look
at Jalen Hurds. He don't look good. There's something wrong
with them.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I know you were hoping that, you know, so that
the Lions could beat them or something. So you were
kind of talking to it because you were talking down
about Jalen Hurts and how he was performing and he
was the weak link. And guess who was the Super
Bowl MVP. It was you thought was the weak lengk
let me.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Let's run a tape. Let's be clear what I said.
My concern with Jalen Hurts, and it still stands. My
concern was if he were in a shootout, could he
pull it off. Not that Jalen Hurts can't win a game.
You don't have to be in a shootout, But that
was my concern. If I have to say, Jalen Hurts,
go win it. Jalen Hurts has gotten the job done.
He's been, he's been, He's had a heck of a career.
I'm not even arguing that if I said to you right.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Now, arguing wrong, if I said nothing is wrong, nothing
is wrong, nothing is wrong.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
And can't run the balls. The teams go through this.
You said that about the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
The Steelers can't run the ball. Aaron Rodgers is forty one. No,
I'm saying what you said. Hold on, listen to what
I'm saying. You said that earlier.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
They're three and one and haven't even played one game
at home. My point is football is very simple. It's
about wins and losses. Stop with the how it looks.
How it looks doesn't.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
You're not total doesn't power looks okay, does not.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Let's pull the lose, let's for in the row.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Okay, then you could go and Rob only would say
this to Rob because Rob set up here an entirely
last year knocking the Chiefs, who did the exact same thing.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Knowing all all season long.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
No, they did nothing but win to the two of
the six fifteen and one, and then what happened.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
In the super Bowl. All I said happened in super Bowl.
So don't tell me happen.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Don't tell you. No, told you tire, they weren't super Bowl, Yes,
the entire teason.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Telling me they don't look good.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Something wrong. I don't like the way they win. This
can't keeping you did. They can't keep winning like that.
I don't like that's what you said. So all I'm
saying is no Eagles, something is off with them, because
again I'm not the different The difference is on that
story is the Eagles have.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
A track record. They won the Super Bowl, and people.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Take one one super Bowl and three who has a
track record said the same thing last year.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
All I'm telling you is I'm not I'm not gonna
get my pennies.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
They lost the game, But you've been looking for a year.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
They've been playing fining for a J. Brown.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Just man figure it out last year going into the
super Bowl that he was the weak link. And now
about a great team? You concerned about it? And great team?
Speaker 6 (06:24):
And what was the t v P?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
The v P?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It wasn't the offensive line exactly, wasn't the defensive line.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
It was him and guy?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
You said, And so what's going on when I have
both of my star receivers questioning me DeVante Smith, who
doesn't see you? I say, the receivers do. Then you
have that's what they do. Then you have running back
and it's about is off with e won through? Absolute
got to stop and they got what twelve more games
(06:55):
to go, and then they got to go through and
something the Eagles And if you don't have to buy it,
I'll buy it for you. In fact, I'll buy two
packs of it each. Something is off with them and
I don't know what it is, and I don't know
how they remedy it, but they can't keep their This
is not sustainable whinning winning these games?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
What does that mean? What are you saying? So? What
are you saying? They're not gonna make the playoffs. They're
not gonna win the division for them.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
So what are you saying, not gonna win a super
Bowl like this?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Okay, you can put a stamp on that, on that.
That's easy to say because teams don't repeat.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
It's hard to wait, wait, because that's what you said
about the Chiefs the whole entire year, and they're not
easy to say that.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You waste my whole year because.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I say everybody in their uncle picked the Chiefs because
they were the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Told you yeah, like they didn't get to the super Bowl. No,
but it didn't matter. I told you every week you
kept picking the it wasn't gonna. I didn't pick them
to lose.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Rock has the stat it was twelve games.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I picked every the lines and you picked the chief
We literally can't no do know we do it big
and right. I don't have that.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
You could go back to the little b He did
it already twelve to no way, I picked twelve times
a get the Chiefs. He's calling you out, thank you, Fine,
it was ten, fix ten. He just said it was ten.
It's ten.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I just saw fun because he's on the phone. Twice.
Mary piped down and how you calling you out? Mary.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
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Speaker 4 (09:10):
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Speaker 5 (09:16):
I'd everybody when we got the seat in there, it's
about twenty five. Yeah, ain't just now you mentioned it?
Rob up quickly the Houston Texas.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Coming in a Sunday, it'd only scored five touchdowns as
a team had five. They scored six against the Baltimore Ravens.
They ended up winning forty four. The thirty four point
loss tied for the second worst margin defeat under John Harbaugh.
Their largest home defeats is twenty thirteen. The forty four
points they allowed is the most in a home game
in Harbaugh's eighteen seasons at a coach. Obviously a low
(09:47):
point for Harball and that much beleaguer defense. Even still,
he decided he's gonna stick with defensive coordinator Zach or
even as they continue to suffer ameliating defeat after him
aating defeat and in fact, Kyle.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Van Nois, one of their veteran leaders.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
On defense, was asked after the game, if you know, again,
another blowout loss, another situation where the defense doesn't even
show up.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Till we dropped about the Lions. Kyle, yeah, I think
he was go ahead.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I was asked if he thought that maybe John Harbaugh
and Zach Gore's messaging was no longer getting through to
the team.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Take a listen news response.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
Do you feel like the messages that are coming from
John or Zach or whoever aren't getting through in some way.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
You know, I'm.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
That's a that's probably a question that's above my pay grade.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Probably.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
I think that's a harbond Z question, to be honest, Like,
I think their messaging is fine, and we got to
be the group to take that and go out and
do the simple things right, the fundamentals, easy basic stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I said this after week one when they blew the
game in Buffalo. At some point, John Harbaugh, come, come,
come on, really is.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
This and I get it, Lamar's out. You want to
use that as an excuse.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You can't use it as an excuse because the defense
gives up forty points. And it started in Buffalo when
they when they blew that game that Lamar and them
came out and put a forty piece on the opening
night on the road and they lost, and they lost,
and I said John Harbaugh should be fired. And everybody, oh,
(11:31):
you're a prisoner of the moment. All are you gonna
get to go blah blah blah? And now look where
they are. They're in a hole that they're not gonna
get out of. I mean, this is gonna be a
wast season. They're not gonna fix this. The DC doesn't
get fired after they gave up six touchdowns to the
Houston Texans.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Seriously that alone.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Wait a minute, they scored five touchdowns coming into the
game all season and they got six on us.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Richard Key and clicker, Okay.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Your car so mad? He like, why couldn't I have
that defense? I had the face, I could have stayed
in the league. Right, David Carr somewhere met you think
I'm crazy. I'm serious about Harball.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I know when you start, when you start holding onto
your guys and nobody get is held accountable. You talk
about players being held accountable, right, where's the coaches? Ain't
no way. The coaches have to somewhat be held accountable
as well on why this isn't happening and why they're
so bad.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
So when we had this conversation, I was not firing
John Harball. Here is my issue with John Harball and
my conversations if I'm the general manager that would have
to have with him or he needs to have with
himself in the mirror.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
A couple of things.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Number One, you talk about the defensive coordinator, who's still safe.
You don't have to update his LinkedIn page as we speak.
But when I look at these numbers, you can't be this.
You can't be last in points allowed per game, which
is obvious as we've talked about they giving up points
to everybody, thirty five point four.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
You can't be the worst defense.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Ron yards you think they're giving up a game three
and twenty, I'm just four hundred and sevenyards a game
is crazy. Past defense, you're second to last giving up
two hundred and sixty six. And then run defense, you're
twenty seven giving up one hundred and forty one. That's horrendous.
(13:19):
You can't be bad at stopping to run and stopping
the pass. Absolutely horrific. Here's another issue I have they
lack of awareness right now because he's probably thinking, man, some
sometimes I hear him talk as if they were a
player two away.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Man, we just you know, we got to tighten up.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
We're just he's making it like, oh man, if we
you know we got a bad pass interference caller, Man,
we had the one bad fumble.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
No, I just read you the numbers of how bad
it is.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Also, you know what I think is happening to them,
And this happens when you have greatness I think they've
gotten Lamar Jackson's spoil where the defense is used to God,
we're gonna put up thirty to forty five points, will
be good. Even if we get down me and you said,
all he can go down O three, They'll be fine
as Lamar. And I think the team as a hold
(14:04):
in the defense specifically has just gotten used to we
got Lamar, will be all right. And that isn't how
you operate. If you're trying to get to that next level.
You should be saying, man, we got Lamar all week week. Man,
we want to help Lamar. We want to make sure
we are that additive to him so that he ever
has a bad night.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
God forbid Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Ever have a bad nights y he loses, you know,
a couple of intercepts, we got his back, you know.
And that's what the Chiefs were able to do. Patrick
Mahols wasn't great last year or the year before, but
they were able to defense, able to hold it down.
You know, when Peyton Manny finally won a championship, what
do we say, man, if he ever had a defense
finally had Mathis and Freedy and Bob Sanders and those guys,
(14:44):
and they had a defense that can say, hey, if
you're ever just normal, Like they weren't a Super Bowl,
they won, remember what the against the Bears, they weren't great,
thankfully at a defense that can hold it down as well.
My point is I think the Ravens have gotten so
Lamar centric that they just they haven't figured out another way.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And last, but this is just this is really.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Bad, like something something internally is wrong, Like like I'm
not saying they're gonna be the greatest defense. This is
the Ravens defense that won a Super exactly, you know
what I mean. But but this is really forty points
a game and the cough up that game in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
You remember where Josh Allen had.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Two hundred and seventy five yards or two fifty in
the fourth quarter. That's not a that's not like a
mishap like somebody made a bad play or turned around,
got turned around.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
That's like you're not stopping anybody.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
The Lions rushed for two hundred and fifty yards like that,
Like there's there's something else there internally that can't be
all the players. And that's why I'm saying, at some point,
what will it take you to say, John Harborough won
a Super Bowl. I was like many many many years
ago and it's been nothing but disappointment.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
That's why I'm saying I think it should be time.
What are you waiting on?
Speaker 5 (15:53):
I'm gonna say this, just like an eye in your house,
you know, or an oven. You start to warm that
thing and your'ight throw a pizza you got warm it up.
I'm warming up to see it ain't hot, but it's warm.
Because again, you know me, I like stability. I don't
want to just get rid of a guy and then go, uh.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
You come here, you take the job. Now.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
If you're on your job and you got a search
that you found the new Kyle Shanahan, m Flores, Sean
McVay or something, then okay, that's a different conversation. But
I'm not a fan of just firing a guy just
and then closing your eyes and looking around. But something
is definitely has to change it again for me, they
have to picture themselves. We have to be good at
all fast. It can't just be well, we got Lamar.
(16:33):
He'll figure it out, because that's not fair to Lamar.
Because in order to win, there are gonna be times
where your run he wasn't his best, but you picked
him up, because that's happened to every great quarterback. There
are times where that defense picked him up, their special
teams picked them up other guys around them. They ran
the ball and just kept ran the ball thirty five times.
This mighty found someone's throat. Whatever happened to that? So, yeah,
(16:53):
they need a hold for philosophy change right now because
something's going on.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
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Speaker 3 (17:10):
You have been just beyond mad right now at the Phillies. No,
and it's not an anti Dodger thing.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
It's just based on I'll give you could you set
it to right when we first saw it, And here's
the issue that we have. Okay, So the Phillies came
storming back. It was for to nothing. Bottom of the night.
They get three straight hits. You know, it's it's four
to three. They have a man on second, is nobody out,
and the Phillies decide that they're gonna bunt the runner
(17:39):
over the third base. The tying run, not not the
winning the tying run. It didn't make any sense. He's
in scoring position. He can score from there. You don't
need to be at dirt, right. You can't afford him
to get out what you got out at third base.
(18:00):
The Max Muntsey fielded the bunt and through the mookie
who came from short stop to cover third.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I don't know what they were thinking.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
They think the Dodgers are gonna allow you just to
butt and move over without trying to throw you out,
like they'll try. If they didn't get it, then there's
runners on first and third. They have to play the
infield in any way. Try to get a line drive
at somebody. My point is you had three chances to
knock in the time run.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And guess what. Two of the next three guys got hits.
The next guy got a hit.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
You got two hits after that, right, And the crazy
part again is no outs.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Three batters to at least have a chance to knock
him in, or somebody could hit a ball. Say that
left ended batter hit a ball a second base, he
moves over the third sacrifice fly.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
The games they were no outs.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Too, And the way you got you know, if you're
looking at it, if you're the Phillies. The way you're
hitting the ball, you got a chance to mess around
and not only just tie this thing, take a lead.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
How who's that's overmanaging that?
Speaker 5 (19:03):
And that's to me when we talk with you and
I had we talked baseball all the time, and I
bring this up, it's just it seems like the the field,
the natural field, the gut instinct of the game is gone.
It's very much well, this is exactly what you do
on this exact situation.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
We have it written down. Here's the formula, the winning formula.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I don't like that formula taking a run around it
because immediately what I say, now, you got one out
and that's and that didn't score, right, and that that's
a better double play could have ended the game at
that point.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
And they wound up getting two more hits, but they couldn't.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Score, and you had the Dodgers shook it because the
Bill Penn, We've been talking about the bullpen for now
three four weeks.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Even the night, even if though they won that game,
you look at a bullpen and you go, dude, this
is happening on a regular base.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
And it happened in a couple of games already in
the postseason. What did I tell you? I said, Dodger
have to get six.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
The reds against the red score runs against the bullpen.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
I said, the Dodgers have to get six runs the
field to kind of go and feel comfortable, which is
crazy because that just can't be sustainable.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
You can't keep needing to have, you know, a million
runs per game.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Like your offense is looking at it like it's opposite
of the schoobl and the Tigers. Right, He's looking like, uh,
what more do y'all want from me? Can I get
a hit more than two three hits in the game?
And the Dodgers the opposite. They're like, man, we're putting
up crazy getting no hit for most of the game.
I mean, schoolbl He's got to be perfect, Like they don't.
They never score any great game. Gave up two solo
(20:24):
home runs, and he's looking at his team like, can
I get some help?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
What more do y'all want from me?
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