October 7, 2025 • 32 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us how they think Shedeur Sanders should respond if he still doesn’t get elevated to the Cleveland Browns QB2 role after the team traded away Joe Flacco, and explain why North Carolina needs to bite the bullet and dump Bill Belichick. Plus, former NFL offensive lineman and FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Ephraim Salaam swings by to discuss Shedeur’s future in Cleveland, why he still isn’t impressed with Trevor Lawrence, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
There was a.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Trade blockbuster in the NFL rob G and it had
ramifications for more than just one quarterback.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
How'd you like that?
Speaker 5 (00:37):
So?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Though that was good? What I'm having to say say
it though? Yeah, but then you have to bring it
back up. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (00:44):
Yes, they were actually a couple of trades today in
the NFL, but none bigger than what took place between
the Cleveland Brown and Cincinnati Bengals. Forty nine year old
quarterback allegedly, Joe Flacco is going from Cleveland Tistance for
a swap of late round picks.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
So is that has he played on every team in
the North on? Yeah, getting there? Oh not the Steelers.
He'll get there, getting there.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Everyone, but this is still early. They might be like,
you know what, Anon Rodgers is too young.
Speaker 7 (01:13):
We need somebody more veteran more season's right next to
flatco Is, but the sideway interdent is, of course Cleveland
because with Joe Flacco out of town, all signs point
to finally, should Dore Sanders being elevated to the QB
two job there.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
With the Browns only one problem, not so fast.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
Brown's reporter Darryl Ryder, reporter A ninety two three the
Fan this week earlier today that the team could still,
rather than elevate Shaudur to number two, promote Bailey Zappi
to the backup gig and keep should do our number
three because, unlike Shador, Zappi actually has experience playing under
Kevin Stefanski played for him at the end of last season,
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and that also coincides with what Ian Rappaport reported over
the weekend when he reported that the Browns quote want
Shador to be successful when he's out there, wanted to
do so with the game plan that is made for
him to thrive. According to Rappaport, expectation his Sanaders will
play at some point this season when he's ready, after
(02:17):
he receives quote a full week of practice and a
game plan that's built for him. So again, Joe Flacco
traded doesn't mean that should.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Do her though. Is QB two okay, I'm here, I
am is this on? I'm dead serious.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
If I'm Shador Sanders and Bailly Zappi or whatever his
name is, is elevated to number two quarterback, I would
request my release from the Cleveland Browns. I would say
thank you, but no thank you, because every sign here
points that they don't believe he's a starting quarterback in
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the NFL. I don't care what they're trying to make it.
He has a soft landing. Kelvin is only one way
you learn to play in the NFL. You got to
get out there and play. Okay, you could do all
the prep work, all this other stuff. At some point
you got to get out there. You can't keep pushing
other people ahead of him and not allowing him to
be in this situation. I just don't don't. I don't
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think he's going to be a star quarterback in the league.
But there's a job for him in the NFL. Okay,
I believe that. I just think why would you want
to continue? It's like anybody else, or you're working at
a job or a situation and you want to be
an anchorman, and they keep and you're a reporter with
everybody else, and they promote this person over you, and
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this person at some point they've told you what they
really think of you.
Speaker 8 (03:40):
Right.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Keep in mind, we're not talking big time qualified people either.
It's not like exactly, it's not like, you know, right
exactly won a Super Bowl or something two years ago
or whatever, or had enough success, and maybe he was heard,
and that's the reason that he's not where he should be.
That these aren't the guys. That's what I'm trying to
say to you. I knew Dylan would be the guy,
(04:03):
you know what I did, because he was drafted ahead
of him. They moved up to get him. They wanted him. Okay,
so I'm not surprised by that, But at this point
it should have just been today. Should it wasn't up
to the back of quarterback?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
What that so hard? Did you hear what I just said?
Was that so hard to say?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
For the Cleveland Browns, who will go anywhere but to
the back of the bus? I mean, like, seriously, what
in the world aren't they doing where they can't say that?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
My god?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Okay, he could be the back of quarterback. You could
put him out there. He could be terrible and you
could say, okay, okay, we didn't think he was good enough.
He went out there. Who was that quarterback for the
Buffalo Bill's Rob g who had Nathan Peterman six interceptions?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Didn't he have five in the first or something like
it's just right? Is that?
Speaker 6 (04:56):
What?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Right? Then?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I think it was like five in the first half.
It was just like, okay, he can't play. Okay, we
got it. I'm dead, sir. If I'm schaduor miming hanging
out in the clubhouse, you know, selling jerseys as that
turned you on or whatever.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I just wouldn't want to be in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
I would we ask to be cut or released, whatever
you want to call it.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I would. I almost want to say quit, but you
don't want to quit.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
You know what I mean when I'm saying, you can't
go get your question to be released?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
If I'm sure, Door said.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
The Browns are just a weird, very weird organization when
it comes to the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
They've now had forty forty one quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
If you look at the teams that have been bad
over the last since nineteen ninety nine, with the Browns
being included in them. You look at other teams that
have not been great since ninety ninety nine, The Commanders
have had twenty eight quarterbacks, the Dolphins have had twenty seven,
and then you get to forty forty one with the Browns.
So clearly, teams that fluctuate quarterbacks all the time, we
know don't have success. You look at the one ask
(06:00):
stability and that is the Patriots. They only have had
uh seven or something in the you know, you look
at the Steelers, they had nine. They had ten quarterbacks
between the Steelers and the Patriots over these years. What
do they have They've had Super Bowl appearances, had Super
Bowl Well, they've been to a couple of Super Bowl
They're so even in the nineties they had to state
(06:21):
a lot of quarterbacks they I know they've had ten
since nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So my point is, you gotta find some stability.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
And that's what I was screaming about during this whole
draft and little post draft time. My thing was play
Dylan Gabriel. That's your guy if you believe in him,
and that's who you picked obviously ahead you picked him
in third round. Place your door Sanders, find out what
he's got, because that's what you need to be doing,
finding out what you have or you don't have, so
you can finally find your guy because you know what
you are.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
You're in a division that has Lamar Jackson. They don't
want their guy. Maybe they're guys in college. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
But then you play these guys, they're obviously not gonna
be great if they're not the guys you want, and
you roll right up in there and you get another pick,
you get finally settled on your guys, you can be settled.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
That's why the Joe Flacco plan was strange to me.
We know what he is.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
That was a strange, but to me because I should
have won three games. Like like you you say this
as if the coach and general manager have jobs for life,
like like, seriously, I disagree with you.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
You can disagree with me, and that's perfectly fine.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
My point was why am I rolling Joe Flaco out
to literally do exactly what I thought he would do?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Because you should have thought he would because you.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Could be the Jets, you could be zero and five
and people saying the coach and the general manager.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And what do they look like? And that's exactly what,
so to me, you do exactly. You can disagree. I
knew exactly what Joe Flacco was gonna be. Same thing
with the Giants. You knew what Russell would like. You
know what these guys are. See what Jackson Dark said
that there three and one. I still don't believe in them.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
But I don't believe said me nine and eight.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I said, I want to find my guy Rob Aaron Rodgers,
the Hall of Famer, maybe the most talented quarterback in
the last twenty five thirty years. Him and Patrick Holmes,
I've never questioned. I said he was gonna he's gonna
be fine stats. He's gonna be just like Russell Wilson
was gonna win nine eight games. He's gonna have some
decent stats. That's not Aaron Rodgers. I thing was stealers.
But why do.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
You get Rogers though? This is this is what I'm
trying to make a possibly win a playoff game.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Okay, why if you if it's about getting the next
guy and worried about the future, is that you have
current jobs general manager coaches who need to secure a
job and let people know trying.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
To I would agree with so many other places once
he set the Steelers, there's probably no more stable guy.
Outsider Andy Reied, Mike Tomlin a stable job. And I
get what you're saying. I don't think but you can
do that. That's why Steelers. But he made that move.
He's infatuated with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
For years. We've known that they have a bromance, and
now they get to bromance.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
They had, they had your they had justin Field there,
and they went Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
No, but I'm saying they had him.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
He could have come back and they could have said, well,
here's the guy in the future.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
No, they need to win a KO game.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And that's my point. I'm doing all this to just
try to maybe win it. I still don't even think
they you know, they could be nine and eight. But
my point is with Cleveland, you run, you run out
the guys. Dylan Gabriel looked okay, he doesn't look you know.
I don't think he's gonna be a world but.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
He did great first game. I have no problem with
Dylan Gables. Dylan Gabriel, good, okay, run Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Well, I'm not gonna cause then Jason Dart looked okay,
and then the next game he didn't. He had one
hundred yards. The first game he did not. Everybody fine,
one hundred yards. He did not look great.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Just one hundred.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Gebriel looked fine. I have no problem doing I think
they may run him out there. He had one hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Hen run out there. You find your guy.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
You give both of them time throughout this season, see
if they can play. If they can, you got a guy.
If they can't, you move on and you get another pick.
That's been my whole thing the whole time. I didn't
understand that Joe Flacco, what you literally got exactly, I
totally understand, will strongly disagree on that. That was the
biggest waste of time in the NFL right now. Do
it all the time with veteran quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
They need to have some stability to franchise, and they
can't put a deer in the headlights out there when
you want.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
To look like a deer in the head like this
was an old deer. We had a gray beard deer.
That's what he looked like. And you knew he was
gonna look like that. That dude won a Super Bowl, mans, stop,
I'm sorry, when did he win the Super Bowl. You
literally said that the other day. We'll talk about it.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
What does that mean? But he knows what he's doing.
You can't.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Those guys aren't stars long term. Getting tighter, Dylan Gabriel, Joe,
I'm gonna if I'm gonna start the season, I'm gonna
start with a veteran to give myself a chance.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
But it doesn't have to be a senior citizen. That's
what I'm gonna do. That's all I'm saying. Veteran, give
me thirty alreaty one thirty two, A forty someeven year
old veteran who I already had an organization does not
know what they do, and they go get Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
The best quarterback they had was Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Now he's over there.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I think he's playing next year? Do you think so? Yes?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
They can't play him, Rob, he's playing next year if
he's healthy.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
What what? Rob?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
G They owe him so much money? About right, he's playing?
They owe Money's no, he's playing all right? Here we
go eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven
seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. If Shador
doesn't get elevated to the backup job, in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Should he ask to be released out of town? I
think he should be.
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Speaker 6 (12:28):
Bill Belichick and UNC they have been a laughing stocker
college football.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Start things off.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
You know, their only wins are against the we used
to be Division two programs. They just got waxed by Clemson,
and Clemson not any good this year either, so wral Roley,
a new station out there, spoke to a bunch of
parents of current players, members of the staff, non the department,
UNC board of trustees, and according to them, multiple source
to a knowledge of the inner workings of Belegis program
(12:54):
say the results on the field are a product of
a divided locker room, a disorganized coaching staff, and a
failure to community. One source called it quote, an unstructured
mess with no culture, no organization, a complete disaster.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
But it gets worse worse.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
According to this report, the experience level and perceived nepotism
with Belichick staff has been frequently called into question. It's
been questioned by players and parents and the media, with
one source saying quote, the lack of experience the coaches
have is ridiculous. In According to sources, there's a board
in the UNC football facility to list people who have
(13:30):
missed workouts in class.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I got to keep accountable, right.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
The only problem is some of the guys that were
brought in by Belichick or are seen as close with
his son or other specific staff members show up on
the list but never receive any kind of punishment because
they're seen as Belichick's guys.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
It's all bad for double B. I'm gonna say, he Kelvin,
could I start?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah, I think un See should seriously a bite the
bullet because this is not long term already, you know
this is not gonna end well, this is not gonna
be good. What was the documentary that they pulled the
plug on? Yeah, has already pulled the plug on that, okay,
(14:14):
because it's a train wreck. And that says a lot
because normally people want to watch train wrecks, right, and
they just realize this is a mess here that's not
really worth it.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
So it's just a mess. And I brought this up too.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
You know, we talked about the nepotism and the cronyism
and all his boys. This is like a frat party.
I'm a everybody. I know, I'm gonna hook you up.
But we got this job. We're gonna go down to
college take over. I got jobs for everybody, my family,
my friends, all this stuff, and they're no results. They
got a girlfriend again, doesn't fit in right, Like, it's
(14:53):
a mess in that situation. You have all these issues
and then you're not winning. What do we talk about
winning covers up everything. Winning is the best makeup you
could have. You'll accept anything from anybody as long as
you win. When you stop winning, it's a problem. And
(15:14):
I just don't see this as long term. They're already
got players who are disgruntled who will probably bow out.
Other good players are looking at this saying, what's going
on there? Oh there's a mess, blah blah blah. Do
I really want to go there? How long is he
gonna be here?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Anyway?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
If I go and commit, absolutely, this guy might have
a pork chop dinner and he's not.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
The coach anymore.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Hey yo, I'm saying he's two pork chops away.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
All right.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
First of all, first of all, there's so many ways
it's start with this, rob Let's start with First of all,
U n C should stand for unk.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Unk. This ain't it unk, This ain't it ark.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
The way you are running this establishment, this organization in
school is not it. Let's start from the scratch. He
never wanted this job. Unk didn't want to be here.
Nk's trying to be coaching ITFL team ninety nine percent
of them didn't want him.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
You talked about the Falcons. Maybe did he that didn't
work out.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So now he's like, why I'm gonna go prove that,
gonna show them he didn't want this what's required.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
He had, he had the Falcon job and he he
messed around and they pulled it back.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
And now again he's in this situation with UNC and
didn't want this.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
So let's start there.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Rob g talked about things that you never used to
talk about with Bill Belichick. You never talked about structure issues.
That was what he was great. He wasn't great or nothing.
He was great at structure. He was great at you know,
the putting in kind of the schematics. This is what
we're gonna do. This is no distract, no distractions. Just
now he is a distraction. His girlfriend's a distraction. Again
that's his personal life, but it is a distraction. And
(16:44):
I also no accountability, right, it's just and we hearing
in the thing the players he brings in. There's no accountability.
They're missing class. These are things you would never happen
with a Bill Belichick ran team. At this point, he's
just collecting money. He's just collecting money. Matter of fact,
Bill bill a check, Bill Bill m a check is
what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
How how much?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
How much they owe me? They ten million this year? Okay,
but Bill check because that's all he's doing right now.
And you know what, I don't know what it is
or how much it is. Rob g how much is it?
Think him twenty millions for him to leave?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
It would be twenty at the end of the season.
Twenty at the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Call Michael Jordan, tell him to sell a few extra
shoes and get Bill up out of here. Say you
and I never agree on much. This was something we
agreed on both that this wasn't this wasn't this just
what we.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Didn't do it, and and they all he has to
do is call up Michael Jordan's say you remember when
you left at halftime of the first game, everybody was here, Okay, yeah, okay,
can you clean this up for us? Because Carl Roy Williams,
you know who else was there? It was like a
few uh Roy, Randy Moss was there. It's a handful
of the people following up. All you have to do
(17:48):
is say, Mike, can you sign us two one hundred
pair of Jordan's and we'll auction them off and we'll
have the money to pay this due to get this
up out of all right, Well, for sure, that's all
I would.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
We didn't even have to go in the don't pocket.
Let me tell you also something else too.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
When you tell me that you pull the show because
of all the controversy and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
So you pull a show.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
When you tell me that you basically can't mention anything
that has to do with the Patriots, you show me
this is already a bad thing.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
You're supposed to be so locked into what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I don't give a dang about the Patriots, going to
honor them, don't honor I don't care.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
We're locked by May played there. He's one of your
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
But I'm saying for you to like the organization and
the football athletic director and program can't put up.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
But like were so locked in and we'll be doing
our next opponent. We don't can think about that.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
But when you're pulling shows you're worried about the Patriots,
that just lets me know you're not all the way in.
So he was never in this for the long haul.
If at best it was going to be an allute
for a son. But the way this's the structured. Now
got a bunch of guys who aren't built for this.
College football is not the pro football's not. It's a
different beast. What's required of you is different. And Bill
Belichick is what seventy one or two?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
How old is he? A seventy three? He's the oldest
college football coach too, And it's just he was for
the next four years. What players gonna commit to him?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
None of us liked it from the jump, and what
you kind of need. Mac Brown was old, but Mack
Brown had personality. Mac Brown had charmed. He had been
in collegeootball for years.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
This is what I was saying, like he took this
job for his song and was ALLU, I'm gonna set
it up and throw you the alley you and now
that might come crashing down, So just.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Son to get out. You take everybody with you. You've
ever seen that?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
You know that old man, you got that uncle, that
that that that guy who gets the new girl. And
all of a sudden he starts saying, man, let's go
hang out. And he's got a whole new outfit on,
his hair dyed a certain way. What are you saying,
I'm not talking to you my hair is you just
stay strong, right, you would stay strong, you would be you.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I don't have a new outfit on, and you're just
like his whole demeanor changes. Used to order beer, now
he's ordering like a martini.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
This is what it is. This is Bill Belichick right now.
This ain't the Bill I knew. His friends are hitting
around right now like, Man, this ain't the Bill I knew,
because Bill I know would have structure, accountability. The Bill
I know would give a dang about no patrins other thing.
He's locked into what we do. The Bill I know
will have tunnel vision on how we're gonna win. Man,
this ain't the Bill. I This ain't the Bill.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I know.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Bill just wants to retire. I know that, right. He
just wants to go away. But she's like, no, come on,
you've got more in you. Let's still asks prove it
to them. Baby, you're God Bill. Bill's like, I'm tired, y'all.
I've been coaching football forty five. I'm tired. Boss.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I just want to go home. That's what I'm calling him.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
U n C stands for unk right now and UNC
Bill UNC Bill bellamachek, it's a rap.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I don't I know, I'm rob g jumping. I'm just curious,
all right, we both think? Are you with us a lot?
Speaker 8 (20:37):
You know?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
He loves old people.
Speaker 10 (20:38):
I do love old I know even I said this
was going to be a train rat. Yeah, it's like,
what were they thinking? I'm serious, I'm dead serious. What
were they thinking? And is he seventy three?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
He's looking it up? It's something like that.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
But I'm just saying, like my whole idea is the
oldest coach in college football. He's seven three years old.
What player eighteen year old is gonna commit four years
to you? And I'm serious been.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Thinking about that, like where it's like, oh, he's had
this twenty five if it was Nick Saban, who's right around,
But look, you're two younger. That's different. I'm going to
play for Nick Saban and Alabama. Ooh this is a new.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Uh want to come to our new program. I really
don't know what I'm doing. And I got fifty new
players on my team.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
And then say like you look and you're that player
and you go, okay, look at his girlfriend. This guy's
gonna be in traction before mid season. I'm just telling
you what.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Belichick is lucky that he and his cronies are not
as glib as Deion Sanders was, because they did and
said a lot of the same things that Deon got
to Colorado. Mike Lombardi was going on podcast and interviews
talking about where the the NFL team there, the ones
we're gonna pay everyone for the next level.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And he was already a.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Difficult personality before he got there, Like there are people
in media who just are not a fan. Is so
when you take that stance at this location and you
have all of the pomping circumstance, you have the girlfriend
causing all these distractions. You got Vladdie hitting another home
run here on TV.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
What I don't understand to him is they do the
same thing over and over, Like this guy has killed you,
So what do you do? You walk the guy you walked,
But you walk the guy, you got to go after him.
So if you go to pitch to him, you can't
have anybody on base. This is an O two pitch
right over the plate, Like like what, like, really your
(22:36):
shock that he hit it out?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Is he an MLB bro? No, that's tough for you.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
No, George Springer let off, He's an MLB bro. We
covered George Springer. He's the only one. Oh but anyway,
two nothing already, and Yankee fans are probably sick because
this guy has killed him his three home runs in
three games.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
You mean Bob Parker is definitely sick. You're yank It's
not a yank up. I can't. I'm telling you right now,
I can't wait. Let me write right report hopefully.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
That's why my name is on that press box, not
in the stand. I can't hear in peace up.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
There, Hey Rob Rogie, I hope it's another thirty years,
but dang it, I'll tell you what at your funeral,
I'm gonna say here, love Ron Parker.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
The biggest Yankee fan I knew, who can't. That's exactly
how I'm starting to stay. It ain't gonna be.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
It's gonna be the you know, I'm putting it and
I'm taking it.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yankee.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
You better not him, Spike Lee jay Z. I'm gonna
plant you right next to Billy Crystal. Are you kidding?
It would be unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
My family would attack you right there if you were
to try to paint me as that.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
We're gonna lie the inside of the coffin with pinstripes
on the underside, and then the top is gonna be
like a dueling jersey of Lamar Jackson and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
And as you're walking into the recess here, it's up
to you. No organ either, just this song at the funeral.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
But man, Rob was my man. You know, we had
a great show together. I used to love spending time
in this press box. That that song is good though.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Oh yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
If I feel like I put a Yankee cap on
and some timberlands some when I hear that song, I
know everybody's from New York.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
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Speaker 3 (24:49):
What Up?
Speaker 8 (24:50):
What's happening to?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Brothers?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
How y'all doing doing good?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Man doing good?
Speaker 4 (24:54):
I want to I want to jump in here with
the first question, and I want you to drop dome
on NFL play and just be honest and clean. Okay,
income yes, yes, I want you to just drop do okay,
so Odell Beckham Junior with the pds or whatever? And
how rampant is it in the NFL? Because I think
we started off.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
No, I'm that serious, Like, how rampant is it? Seriously?
Speaker 4 (25:18):
And I know everybody doesn't get caught or whatever, but
is it is it? Because I think during the Barry
Bonds seventy five percent of players probably tried it or
you know what I mean, but using it right and
whatnot and maybe got off of it. But I'm wonder
in the NFL, seriously, what would you say if I
asked you for a percentage of what you believe players
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using something in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
Well, let's let me just say this. When you compare
it to baseball, you got to remember the uh, the
benefit outweighed the punishment in baseball. And I thought, if
baseball really wanted to be serious about cutting down on
steroid use, if you got caught with pds, like really caught,
then you void your contract. Right, Like, so if you
signed a ten year, three hundred and fifty million dollar
(26:04):
contract and you got caught with PDS and you were
suspended for fifty games, it worked, right, you got you
did it you made it, and so if they were
to say now you're avoided from that contract and other stipulations,
that would really deter people. Now in terms of football,
guys are it did so many different types of supplements
(26:27):
that you can use. Now they have legal supplements that
can mimic what you know we thought steroids would be
able to do. So well, Guys are now being able
to take care of their bodies more so now than ever,
with being vegan and all of these things, they can
give you the desired outcome. So with with with medical science,
(26:48):
with more technology, and with with real nutritionists and science
and trainers, guys are finding ways to enhance how they work,
down how they sleep, how they eat, which would give
you a desired effect that you know just taking a
steroid would do. So I don't think it's as rampant,
(27:11):
especially for current players US as as one might think
in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
You know, it's funny La Lasado, right, if you look
at his Wikipedia, he talks about he was using that
stuff in nineteen sixty nine, Like it's not it's not new,
like a lot of people think it's like some sort
of new thing.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
No, well, look at all the mister universe context sports
Nigga talked about using it like it came from the
body building culture.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah, as matter of fact, I wanted to pop a
couple of pimples on all.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
On your own.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, that's it. That's a weird desire that you had
right there. Rob Oh, that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Hey, we're gonna have some conversations about this a little
bit later on. But just your from the game last night,
Trevor Lawrence kind of his is coming out party.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
Well if he if that's his coming out party, then
he may need to go back inside.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I agree, thank you, brother.
Speaker 8 (28:08):
He they won despite him trying to give it away.
But look, he made a couple of beautiful throws. He
made some throws in that game with only like five
people on the planet Earth can make. But he also
did some things clock management, taking the sack when he
wasn't supposed to fall in, fumbling, stumbling into the end zone. Like,
there are some things that Trevor Lawrence at this point
(28:29):
in his career, he should be past those things. So
that is why I'm not all the ways sold on
the Jacksonville Jaguars. I know they formed one, but he
he's like stumbling into wins and for me at the
quarterback position, as touted as he was as the Golden One,
as as the savior, he has to be better.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
There winning these games despite him.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I looked at last night's game, and I looked at
it from a Chiefs perspective. Ay, everybody thought the they're
rolling now after they blew out Baltimore. And now you
realize everybody blows out Baltimore scores forty points. That ain't
it because even the Texans who can't score, score for
you that point. I mean really, And then but last
night Patrick mahone with the interception at the goal line
(29:16):
that turned the game. The Chiefs gave up a fourteen
to nothing lead, right, gave up a lead, and epim,
this is how they won those games. Those one score
they were eleven and oh last year and one score
games now zero to three. And what happened to Trevor
Lawrence is usually what works out for the Chiefs. Right
where he falls down, right, normally that happens and they
(29:40):
win that game because he falls down loses the ball.
The Chiefs get it and they win the game. And
those things aren't happening for the Chiefs. I don't care
what anybody says. That was a bad loss for the
Chiefs last night.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
It was. And they tried Jacksonville tried Trevor Lawrence. Quarterbacks
make on the one foot line. I mean, I like,
that's what I'm talking about. You quarterback sneak. All you
have to go is literally six inches. It gets hit
out of your hand into a defendant. He didn't even
just dropped into his hands.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
Like.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
Those are the things I'm talking about with Trevor Lawrence.
But normally, like you said, Rob, those are the things
that always.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Work out for the ways. Am I right? They do?
Speaker 8 (30:19):
But this goes to show you the Chiefs are not
button up. It's impossible for them to duplicate what they
did in one score game last year. It just doesn't
work back to back years because the deficiency that you
had being in the one score games last year is
more blatant now than next year. And it shows that
you haven't fixed those problems.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Hey, I'm looking at some games that coming up this week.
Let me look at one right now with the team.
We talked about it last yesterday the other day, the Colts.
Right now, what are we ignoring him because of Daniel Jones,
and it's the Colts and they haven't been great since
Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
But are they a really good team? Like, are they
a legitimate good.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
The coach will burn the rubber off your defense if
you going into that Coast game thinking they're not that
good based on who they played, what I know is
they very rarely use a punter in any of the
games they play, all right, And so what that tells
me is they are a completely balanced offense, run game, defense,
(31:22):
excellent offensive line. They're putting themselves in position to have
second and third and short. That's how you extend drives,
That's how you continue to get first down. Daniel Jones
has followed in the same path as Baker Mayfield Sam
Donald's and had a reburse It's amazing how you can
go somewhere and someone pour into you and you can
(31:44):
just discover the talent that you always thought you had.
If you're still saying the Coasts aren't a real team,
then good luck when you line up against them.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Yeah, they've been playing playing a ball ray justin Jonathan
Taylor running it as well, Daniel Jones making some big plays.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
They look good. Man ain't a real team. I'm buying them.
Appreciate it as always.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
Man, And let me say that I appreciate you guys
and Rob, congratulations man with getting the press box, the
honor and it named after you and all of that.
And what people don't know is they just it's free
chicken wings in the press Where you going that part
of the stipulations. That was part of the stipulations for
put his name on there. So I just want to
say congratulations, thank you, and.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
They better not leave him the press box on a Monday.
Give you a magic Monday and I box. That's right,
I leave it alone.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Thank you. He appreciate it, thank you, thank you. Appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Tuesday they gonna come in there, like man, what is
all this glitter, this dollar bills everywhere?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
What is going on? I pull out
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
There was a.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Trade blockbuster in the NFL rob G and it had
ramifications for more than just one quarterback.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
How'd you like that?
Speaker 5 (00:37):
So?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Though that was good? What I'm having to say say
it though? Yeah, but then you have to bring it
back up. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (00:44):
Yes, they were actually a couple of trades today in
the NFL, but none bigger than what took place between
the Cleveland Brown and Cincinnati Bengals. Forty nine year old
quarterback allegedly, Joe Flacco is going from Cleveland Tistance for
a swap of late round picks.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
So is that has he played on every team in
the North on? Yeah, getting there? Oh not the Steelers.
He'll get there, getting there.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Everyone, but this is still early. They might be like,
you know what, Anon Rodgers is too young.
Speaker 7 (01:13):
We need somebody more veteran more season's right next to
flatco Is, but the sideway interdent is, of course Cleveland
because with Joe Flacco out of town, all signs point
to finally, should Dore Sanders being elevated to the QB
two job there.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
With the Browns only one problem, not so fast.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
Brown's reporter Darryl Ryder, reporter A ninety two three the
Fan this week earlier today that the team could still,
rather than elevate Shaudur to number two, promote Bailey Zappi
to the backup gig and keep should do our number
three because, unlike Shador, Zappi actually has experience playing under
Kevin Stefanski played for him at the end of last season,
(01:57):
and that also coincides with what Ian Rappaport reported over
the weekend when he reported that the Browns quote want
Shador to be successful when he's out there, wanted to
do so with the game plan that is made for
him to thrive. According to Rappaport, expectation his Sanaders will
play at some point this season when he's ready, after
(02:17):
he receives quote a full week of practice and a
game plan that's built for him. So again, Joe Flacco
traded doesn't mean that should.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Do her though. Is QB two okay, I'm here, I
am is this on? I'm dead serious.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
If I'm Shador Sanders and Bailly Zappi or whatever his
name is, is elevated to number two quarterback, I would
request my release from the Cleveland Browns. I would say
thank you, but no thank you, because every sign here
points that they don't believe he's a starting quarterback in
(02:53):
the NFL. I don't care what they're trying to make it.
He has a soft landing. Kelvin is only one way
you learn to play in the NFL. You got to
get out there and play. Okay, you could do all
the prep work, all this other stuff. At some point
you got to get out there. You can't keep pushing
other people ahead of him and not allowing him to
be in this situation. I just don't don't. I don't
(03:15):
think he's going to be a star quarterback in the league.
But there's a job for him in the NFL. Okay,
I believe that. I just think why would you want
to continue? It's like anybody else, or you're working at
a job or a situation and you want to be
an anchorman, and they keep and you're a reporter with
everybody else, and they promote this person over you, and
(03:36):
this person at some point they've told you what they
really think of you.
Speaker 8 (03:40):
Right.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Keep in mind, we're not talking big time qualified people either.
It's not like exactly, it's not like, you know, right
exactly won a Super Bowl or something two years ago
or whatever, or had enough success, and maybe he was heard,
and that's the reason that he's not where he should be.
That these aren't the guys. That's what I'm trying to
say to you. I knew Dylan would be the guy,
(04:03):
you know what I did, because he was drafted ahead
of him. They moved up to get him. They wanted him. Okay,
so I'm not surprised by that, But at this point
it should have just been today. Should it wasn't up
to the back of quarterback?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
What that so hard? Did you hear what I just said?
Was that so hard to say?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
For the Cleveland Browns, who will go anywhere but to
the back of the bus? I mean, like, seriously, what
in the world aren't they doing where they can't say that?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
My god?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Okay, he could be the back of quarterback. You could
put him out there. He could be terrible and you
could say, okay, okay, we didn't think he was good enough.
He went out there. Who was that quarterback for the
Buffalo Bill's Rob g who had Nathan Peterman six interceptions?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Didn't he have five in the first or something like
it's just right? Is that?
Speaker 6 (04:56):
What?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Right? Then?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I think it was like five in the first half.
It was just like, okay, he can't play. Okay, we
got it. I'm dead, sir. If I'm schaduor miming hanging
out in the clubhouse, you know, selling jerseys as that
turned you on or whatever.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I just wouldn't want to be in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
I would we ask to be cut or released, whatever
you want to call it.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I would. I almost want to say quit, but you
don't want to quit.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
You know what I mean when I'm saying, you can't
go get your question to be released?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
If I'm sure, Door said.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
The Browns are just a weird, very weird organization when
it comes to the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
They've now had forty forty one quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
If you look at the teams that have been bad
over the last since nineteen ninety nine, with the Browns
being included in them. You look at other teams that
have not been great since ninety ninety nine, The Commanders
have had twenty eight quarterbacks, the Dolphins have had twenty seven,
and then you get to forty forty one with the Browns.
So clearly, teams that fluctuate quarterbacks all the time, we
know don't have success. You look at the one ask
(06:00):
stability and that is the Patriots. They only have had
uh seven or something in the you know, you look
at the Steelers, they had nine. They had ten quarterbacks
between the Steelers and the Patriots over these years. What
do they have They've had Super Bowl appearances, had Super
Bowl Well, they've been to a couple of Super Bowl
They're so even in the nineties they had to state
(06:21):
a lot of quarterbacks they I know they've had ten
since nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So my point is, you gotta find some stability.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
And that's what I was screaming about during this whole
draft and little post draft time. My thing was play
Dylan Gabriel. That's your guy if you believe in him,
and that's who you picked obviously ahead you picked him
in third round. Place your door Sanders, find out what
he's got, because that's what you need to be doing,
finding out what you have or you don't have, so
you can finally find your guy because you know what
you are.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
You're in a division that has Lamar Jackson. They don't
want their guy. Maybe they're guys in college. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
But then you play these guys, they're obviously not gonna
be great if they're not the guys you want, and
you roll right up in there and you get another pick,
you get finally settled on your guys, you can be settled.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
That's why the Joe Flacco plan was strange to me.
We know what he is.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
That was a strange, but to me because I should
have won three games. Like like you you say this
as if the coach and general manager have jobs for life,
like like, seriously, I disagree with you.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
You can disagree with me, and that's perfectly fine.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
My point was why am I rolling Joe Flaco out
to literally do exactly what I thought he would do?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Because you should have thought he would because you.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Could be the Jets, you could be zero and five
and people saying the coach and the general manager.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And what do they look like? And that's exactly what,
so to me, you do exactly. You can disagree. I
knew exactly what Joe Flacco was gonna be. Same thing
with the Giants. You knew what Russell would like. You
know what these guys are. See what Jackson Dark said
that there three and one. I still don't believe in them.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
But I don't believe said me nine and eight.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I said, I want to find my guy Rob Aaron Rodgers,
the Hall of Famer, maybe the most talented quarterback in
the last twenty five thirty years. Him and Patrick Holmes,
I've never questioned. I said he was gonna he's gonna
be fine stats. He's gonna be just like Russell Wilson
was gonna win nine eight games. He's gonna have some
decent stats. That's not Aaron Rodgers. I thing was stealers.
But why do.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
You get Rogers though? This is this is what I'm
trying to make a possibly win a playoff game.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Okay, why if you if it's about getting the next
guy and worried about the future, is that you have
current jobs general manager coaches who need to secure a
job and let people know trying.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
To I would agree with so many other places once
he set the Steelers, there's probably no more stable guy.
Outsider Andy Reied, Mike Tomlin a stable job. And I
get what you're saying. I don't think but you can
do that. That's why Steelers. But he made that move.
He's infatuated with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
For years. We've known that they have a bromance, and
now they get to bromance.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
They had, they had your they had justin Field there,
and they went Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
No, but I'm saying they had him.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
He could have come back and they could have said, well,
here's the guy in the future.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
No, they need to win a KO game.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And that's my point. I'm doing all this to just
try to maybe win it. I still don't even think
they you know, they could be nine and eight. But
my point is with Cleveland, you run, you run out
the guys. Dylan Gabriel looked okay, he doesn't look you know.
I don't think he's gonna be a world but.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
He did great first game. I have no problem with
Dylan Gables. Dylan Gabriel, good, okay, run Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Well, I'm not gonna cause then Jason Dart looked okay,
and then the next game he didn't. He had one
hundred yards. The first game he did not. Everybody fine,
one hundred yards. He did not look great.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Just one hundred.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Gebriel looked fine. I have no problem doing I think
they may run him out there. He had one hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Hen run out there. You find your guy.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
You give both of them time throughout this season, see
if they can play. If they can, you got a guy.
If they can't, you move on and you get another pick.
That's been my whole thing the whole time. I didn't
understand that Joe Flacco, what you literally got exactly, I
totally understand, will strongly disagree on that. That was the
biggest waste of time in the NFL right now. Do
it all the time with veteran quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
They need to have some stability to franchise, and they
can't put a deer in the headlights out there when
you want.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
To look like a deer in the head like this
was an old deer. We had a gray beard deer.
That's what he looked like. And you knew he was
gonna look like that. That dude won a Super Bowl, mans, stop,
I'm sorry, when did he win the Super Bowl. You
literally said that the other day. We'll talk about it.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
What does that mean? But he knows what he's doing.
You can't.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Those guys aren't stars long term. Getting tighter, Dylan Gabriel, Joe,
I'm gonna if I'm gonna start the season, I'm gonna
start with a veteran to give myself a chance.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
But it doesn't have to be a senior citizen. That's
what I'm gonna do. That's all I'm saying. Veteran, give
me thirty alreaty one thirty two, A forty someeven year
old veteran who I already had an organization does not
know what they do, and they go get Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
The best quarterback they had was Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Now he's over there.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I think he's playing next year? Do you think so? Yes?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
They can't play him, Rob, he's playing next year if
he's healthy.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
What what? Rob?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
G They owe him so much money? About right, he's playing?
They owe Money's no, he's playing all right? Here we
go eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven
seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. If Shador
doesn't get elevated to the backup job, in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Should he ask to be released out of town? I
think he should be.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
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Bill Belichick and UNC they have been a laughing stocker
college football.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Start things off.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
You know, their only wins are against the we used
to be Division two programs. They just got waxed by Clemson,
and Clemson not any good this year either, so wral Roley,
a new station out there, spoke to a bunch of
parents of current players, members of the staff, non the department,
UNC board of trustees, and according to them, multiple source
to a knowledge of the inner workings of Belegis program
(12:54):
say the results on the field are a product of
a divided locker room, a disorganized coaching staff, and a
failure to community. One source called it quote, an unstructured
mess with no culture, no organization, a complete disaster.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
But it gets worse worse.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
According to this report, the experience level and perceived nepotism
with Belichick staff has been frequently called into question. It's
been questioned by players and parents and the media, with
one source saying quote, the lack of experience the coaches
have is ridiculous. In According to sources, there's a board
in the UNC football facility to list people who have
(13:30):
missed workouts in class.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I got to keep accountable, right.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
The only problem is some of the guys that were
brought in by Belichick or are seen as close with
his son or other specific staff members show up on
the list but never receive any kind of punishment because
they're seen as Belichick's guys.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
It's all bad for double B. I'm gonna say, he Kelvin,
could I start?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah, I think un See should seriously a bite the
bullet because this is not long term already, you know
this is not gonna end well, this is not gonna
be good. What was the documentary that they pulled the
plug on? Yeah, has already pulled the plug on that, okay,
(14:14):
because it's a train wreck. And that says a lot
because normally people want to watch train wrecks, right, and
they just realize this is a mess here that's not
really worth it.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
So it's just a mess. And I brought this up too.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
You know, we talked about the nepotism and the cronyism
and all his boys. This is like a frat party.
I'm a everybody. I know, I'm gonna hook you up.
But we got this job. We're gonna go down to
college take over. I got jobs for everybody, my family,
my friends, all this stuff, and they're no results. They
got a girlfriend again, doesn't fit in right, Like, it's
(14:53):
a mess in that situation. You have all these issues
and then you're not winning. What do we talk about
winning covers up everything. Winning is the best makeup you
could have. You'll accept anything from anybody as long as
you win. When you stop winning, it's a problem. And
(15:14):
I just don't see this as long term. They're already
got players who are disgruntled who will probably bow out.
Other good players are looking at this saying, what's going
on there? Oh there's a mess, blah blah blah. Do
I really want to go there? How long is he
gonna be here?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Anyway?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
If I go and commit, absolutely, this guy might have
a pork chop dinner and he's not.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
The coach anymore.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Hey yo, I'm saying he's two pork chops away.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
All right.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
First of all, first of all, there's so many ways
it's start with this, rob Let's start with First of all,
U n C should stand for unk.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Unk. This ain't it unk, This ain't it ark.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
The way you are running this establishment, this organization in
school is not it. Let's start from the scratch. He
never wanted this job. Unk didn't want to be here.
Nk's trying to be coaching ITFL team ninety nine percent
of them didn't want him.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
You talked about the Falcons. Maybe did he that didn't
work out.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So now he's like, why I'm gonna go prove that,
gonna show them he didn't want this what's required.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
He had, he had the Falcon job and he he
messed around and they pulled it back.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
And now again he's in this situation with UNC and
didn't want this.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
So let's start there.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Rob g talked about things that you never used to
talk about with Bill Belichick. You never talked about structure issues.
That was what he was great. He wasn't great or nothing.
He was great at structure. He was great at you know,
the putting in kind of the schematics. This is what
we're gonna do. This is no distract, no distractions. Just
now he is a distraction. His girlfriend's a distraction. Again
that's his personal life, but it is a distraction. And
(16:44):
I also no accountability, right, it's just and we hearing
in the thing the players he brings in. There's no accountability.
They're missing class. These are things you would never happen
with a Bill Belichick ran team. At this point, he's
just collecting money. He's just collecting money. Matter of fact,
Bill bill a check, Bill Bill m a check is
what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
How how much?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
How much they owe me? They ten million this year? Okay,
but Bill check because that's all he's doing right now.
And you know what, I don't know what it is
or how much it is. Rob g how much is it?
Think him twenty millions for him to leave?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
It would be twenty at the end of the season.
Twenty at the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Call Michael Jordan, tell him to sell a few extra
shoes and get Bill up out of here. Say you
and I never agree on much. This was something we
agreed on both that this wasn't this wasn't this just
what we.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Didn't do it, and and they all he has to
do is call up Michael Jordan's say you remember when
you left at halftime of the first game, everybody was here, Okay, yeah, okay,
can you clean this up for us? Because Carl Roy Williams,
you know who else was there? It was like a
few uh Roy, Randy Moss was there. It's a handful
of the people following up. All you have to do
(17:48):
is say, Mike, can you sign us two one hundred
pair of Jordan's and we'll auction them off and we'll
have the money to pay this due to get this
up out of all right, Well, for sure, that's all
I would.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
We didn't even have to go in the don't pocket.
Let me tell you also something else too.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
When you tell me that you pull the show because
of all the controversy and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
So you pull a show.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
When you tell me that you basically can't mention anything
that has to do with the Patriots, you show me
this is already a bad thing.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
You're supposed to be so locked into what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I don't give a dang about the Patriots, going to
honor them, don't honor I don't care.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
We're locked by May played there. He's one of your
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
But I'm saying for you to like the organization and
the football athletic director and program can't put up.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
But like were so locked in and we'll be doing
our next opponent. We don't can think about that.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
But when you're pulling shows you're worried about the Patriots,
that just lets me know you're not all the way in.
So he was never in this for the long haul.
If at best it was going to be an allute
for a son. But the way this's the structured. Now
got a bunch of guys who aren't built for this.
College football is not the pro football's not. It's a
different beast. What's required of you is different. And Bill
Belichick is what seventy one or two?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
How old is he? A seventy three? He's the oldest
college football coach too, And it's just he was for
the next four years. What players gonna commit to him?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
None of us liked it from the jump, and what
you kind of need. Mac Brown was old, but Mack
Brown had personality. Mac Brown had charmed. He had been
in collegeootball for years.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
This is what I was saying, like he took this
job for his song and was ALLU, I'm gonna set
it up and throw you the alley you and now
that might come crashing down, So just.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Son to get out. You take everybody with you. You've
ever seen that?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
You know that old man, you got that uncle, that
that that that guy who gets the new girl. And
all of a sudden he starts saying, man, let's go
hang out. And he's got a whole new outfit on,
his hair dyed a certain way. What are you saying,
I'm not talking to you my hair is you just
stay strong, right, you would stay strong, you would be you.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I don't have a new outfit on, and you're just
like his whole demeanor changes. Used to order beer, now
he's ordering like a martini.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
This is what it is. This is Bill Belichick right now.
This ain't the Bill I knew. His friends are hitting
around right now like, Man, this ain't the Bill I knew,
because Bill I know would have structure, accountability. The Bill
I know would give a dang about no patrins other thing.
He's locked into what we do. The Bill I know
will have tunnel vision on how we're gonna win. Man,
this ain't the Bill. I This ain't the Bill.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I know.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Bill just wants to retire. I know that, right. He
just wants to go away. But she's like, no, come on,
you've got more in you. Let's still asks prove it
to them. Baby, you're God Bill. Bill's like, I'm tired, y'all.
I've been coaching football forty five. I'm tired. Boss.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I just want to go home. That's what I'm calling him.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
U n C stands for unk right now and UNC
Bill UNC Bill bellamachek, it's a rap.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I don't I know, I'm rob g jumping. I'm just curious,
all right, we both think? Are you with us a lot?
Speaker 8 (20:37):
You know?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
He loves old people.
Speaker 10 (20:38):
I do love old I know even I said this
was going to be a train rat. Yeah, it's like,
what were they thinking? I'm serious, I'm dead serious. What
were they thinking? And is he seventy three?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
He's looking it up? It's something like that.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
But I'm just saying, like my whole idea is the
oldest coach in college football. He's seven three years old.
What player eighteen year old is gonna commit four years
to you? And I'm serious been.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Thinking about that, like where it's like, oh, he's had
this twenty five if it was Nick Saban, who's right around,
But look, you're two younger. That's different. I'm going to
play for Nick Saban and Alabama. Ooh this is a new.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Uh want to come to our new program. I really
don't know what I'm doing. And I got fifty new
players on my team.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
And then say like you look and you're that player
and you go, okay, look at his girlfriend. This guy's
gonna be in traction before mid season. I'm just telling
you what.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Belichick is lucky that he and his cronies are not
as glib as Deion Sanders was, because they did and
said a lot of the same things that Deon got
to Colorado. Mike Lombardi was going on podcast and interviews
talking about where the the NFL team there, the ones
we're gonna pay everyone for the next level.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And he was already a.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Difficult personality before he got there, Like there are people
in media who just are not a fan. Is so
when you take that stance at this location and you
have all of the pomping circumstance, you have the girlfriend
causing all these distractions. You got Vladdie hitting another home
run here on TV.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
What I don't understand to him is they do the
same thing over and over, Like this guy has killed you,
So what do you do? You walk the guy you walked,
But you walk the guy, you got to go after him.
So if you go to pitch to him, you can't
have anybody on base. This is an O two pitch
right over the plate, Like like what, like, really your
(22:36):
shock that he hit it out?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Is he an MLB bro? No, that's tough for you.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
No, George Springer let off, He's an MLB bro. We
covered George Springer. He's the only one. Oh but anyway,
two nothing already, and Yankee fans are probably sick because
this guy has killed him his three home runs in
three games.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
You mean Bob Parker is definitely sick. You're yank It's
not a yank up. I can't. I'm telling you right now,
I can't wait. Let me write right report hopefully.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
That's why my name is on that press box, not
in the stand. I can't hear in peace up.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
There, Hey Rob Rogie, I hope it's another thirty years,
but dang it, I'll tell you what at your funeral,
I'm gonna say here, love Ron Parker.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
The biggest Yankee fan I knew, who can't. That's exactly
how I'm starting to stay. It ain't gonna be.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
It's gonna be the you know, I'm putting it and
I'm taking it.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yankee.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
You better not him, Spike Lee jay Z. I'm gonna
plant you right next to Billy Crystal. Are you kidding?
It would be unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
My family would attack you right there if you were
to try to paint me as that.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
We're gonna lie the inside of the coffin with pinstripes
on the underside, and then the top is gonna be
like a dueling jersey of Lamar Jackson and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
And as you're walking into the recess here, it's up
to you. No organ either, just this song at the funeral.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
But man, Rob was my man. You know, we had
a great show together. I used to love spending time
in this press box. That that song is good though.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Oh yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
If I feel like I put a Yankee cap on
and some timberlands some when I hear that song, I
know everybody's from New York.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
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Speaker 3 (24:49):
What Up?
Speaker 8 (24:50):
What's happening to?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Brothers?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
How y'all doing doing good?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Man doing good?
Speaker 4 (24:54):
I want to I want to jump in here with
the first question, and I want you to drop dome
on NFL play and just be honest and clean. Okay,
income yes, yes, I want you to just drop do okay,
so Odell Beckham Junior with the pds or whatever? And
how rampant is it in the NFL? Because I think
we started off.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
No, I'm that serious, Like, how rampant is it? Seriously?
Speaker 4 (25:18):
And I know everybody doesn't get caught or whatever, but
is it is it? Because I think during the Barry
Bonds seventy five percent of players probably tried it or
you know what I mean, but using it right and
whatnot and maybe got off of it. But I'm wonder
in the NFL, seriously, what would you say if I
asked you for a percentage of what you believe players
(25:39):
using something in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
Well, let's let me just say this. When you compare
it to baseball, you got to remember the uh, the
benefit outweighed the punishment in baseball. And I thought, if
baseball really wanted to be serious about cutting down on
steroid use, if you got caught with pds, like really caught,
then you void your contract. Right, Like, so if you
signed a ten year, three hundred and fifty million dollar
(26:04):
contract and you got caught with PDS and you were
suspended for fifty games, it worked, right, you got you
did it you made it, and so if they were
to say now you're avoided from that contract and other stipulations,
that would really deter people. Now in terms of football,
guys are it did so many different types of supplements
(26:27):
that you can use. Now they have legal supplements that
can mimic what you know we thought steroids would be
able to do. So well, Guys are now being able
to take care of their bodies more so now than ever,
with being vegan and all of these things, they can
give you the desired outcome. So with with with medical science,
(26:48):
with more technology, and with with real nutritionists and science
and trainers, guys are finding ways to enhance how they work,
down how they sleep, how they eat, which would give
you a desired effect that you know just taking a
steroid would do. So I don't think it's as rampant,
(27:11):
especially for current players US as as one might think
in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
You know, it's funny La Lasado, right, if you look
at his Wikipedia, he talks about he was using that
stuff in nineteen sixty nine, Like it's not it's not new,
like a lot of people think it's like some sort
of new thing.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
No, well, look at all the mister universe context sports
Nigga talked about using it like it came from the
body building culture.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah, as matter of fact, I wanted to pop a
couple of pimples on all.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
On your own.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, that's it. That's a weird desire that you had
right there. Rob Oh, that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Hey, we're gonna have some conversations about this a little
bit later on. But just your from the game last night,
Trevor Lawrence kind of his is coming out party.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
Well if he if that's his coming out party, then
he may need to go back inside.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I agree, thank you, brother.
Speaker 8 (28:08):
He they won despite him trying to give it away.
But look, he made a couple of beautiful throws. He
made some throws in that game with only like five
people on the planet Earth can make. But he also
did some things clock management, taking the sack when he
wasn't supposed to fall in, fumbling, stumbling into the end zone. Like,
there are some things that Trevor Lawrence at this point
(28:29):
in his career, he should be past those things. So
that is why I'm not all the ways sold on
the Jacksonville Jaguars. I know they formed one, but he
he's like stumbling into wins and for me at the
quarterback position, as touted as he was as the Golden One,
as as the savior, he has to be better.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
There winning these games despite him.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I looked at last night's game, and I looked at
it from a Chiefs perspective. Ay, everybody thought the they're
rolling now after they blew out Baltimore. And now you
realize everybody blows out Baltimore scores forty points. That ain't
it because even the Texans who can't score, score for
you that point. I mean really, And then but last
night Patrick mahone with the interception at the goal line
(29:16):
that turned the game. The Chiefs gave up a fourteen
to nothing lead, right, gave up a lead, and epim,
this is how they won those games. Those one score
they were eleven and oh last year and one score
games now zero to three. And what happened to Trevor
Lawrence is usually what works out for the Chiefs. Right
where he falls down, right, normally that happens and they
(29:40):
win that game because he falls down loses the ball.
The Chiefs get it and they win the game. And
those things aren't happening for the Chiefs. I don't care
what anybody says. That was a bad loss for the
Chiefs last night.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
It was. And they tried Jacksonville tried Trevor Lawrence. Quarterbacks
make on the one foot line. I mean, I like,
that's what I'm talking about. You quarterback sneak. All you
have to go is literally six inches. It gets hit
out of your hand into a defendant. He didn't even
just dropped into his hands.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
Like.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
Those are the things I'm talking about with Trevor Lawrence.
But normally, like you said, Rob, those are the things
that always.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Work out for the ways. Am I right? They do?
Speaker 8 (30:19):
But this goes to show you the Chiefs are not
button up. It's impossible for them to duplicate what they
did in one score game last year. It just doesn't
work back to back years because the deficiency that you
had being in the one score games last year is
more blatant now than next year. And it shows that
you haven't fixed those problems.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Hey, I'm looking at some games that coming up this week.
Let me look at one right now with the team.
We talked about it last yesterday the other day, the Colts.
Right now, what are we ignoring him because of Daniel Jones,
and it's the Colts and they haven't been great since
Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
But are they a really good team? Like, are they
a legitimate good.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
The coach will burn the rubber off your defense if
you going into that Coast game thinking they're not that
good based on who they played, what I know is
they very rarely use a punter in any of the
games they play, all right, And so what that tells
me is they are a completely balanced offense, run game, defense,
(31:22):
excellent offensive line. They're putting themselves in position to have
second and third and short. That's how you extend drives,
That's how you continue to get first down. Daniel Jones
has followed in the same path as Baker Mayfield Sam
Donald's and had a reburse It's amazing how you can
go somewhere and someone pour into you and you can
(31:44):
just discover the talent that you always thought you had.
If you're still saying the Coasts aren't a real team,
then good luck when you line up against them.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Yeah, they've been playing playing a ball ray justin Jonathan
Taylor running it as well, Daniel Jones making some big plays.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
They look good. Man ain't a real team. I'm buying them.
Appreciate it as always.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
Man, And let me say that I appreciate you guys
and Rob, congratulations man with getting the press box, the
honor and it named after you and all of that.
And what people don't know is they just it's free
chicken wings in the press Where you going that part
of the stipulations. That was part of the stipulations for
put his name on there. So I just want to
say congratulations, thank you, and.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
They better not leave him the press box on a Monday.
Give you a magic Monday and I box. That's right,
I leave it alone.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Thank you. He appreciate it, thank you, thank you. Appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Tuesday they gonna come in there, like man, what is
all this glitter, this dollar bills everywhere?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
What is going on? I pull out
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