October 21, 2025 • 24 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether the Kevin Durant Era will wind up being a success being a success in Houston, applaud Russell Wilson for firing back at Sean Payton after his former coach took an unwarranted shot at Mr. Unlimited through the media, and argue whether Cal Raleigh was correct when he called the Seattle Mariners season a ‘failure’ after they got eliminated in the ALCS.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm convinced.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
What are you convinced about that one of the storylines
that a lot of people are excited about will not
come to fruition, will be a spectacular disaster, will not happen,
and will be a fail Netlas that's Kevin Durant and
the whole era in Houston and that they're going to
the finals and he's the missing piece and they had
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the young pieces, they have the coach and all that
other stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I think the West is extremely tough. Number one. Number two,
I don't know with his showing up.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
In Houston changes the not dynamics of the young team
and what they had going because he's such a great player,
and uh, there's no way that you keep playing the
same way when you add him to the mix. And
then number three is we've seen this guy get hurt
without contact. I don't know if we can trust him
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uh to stay healthy for an entire season. And lastly,
this will be the third stop where he's trained derailed.
This is just who he is and the idea that
he's a vagabon and he's just gonna go to team
to team like seriously, Kevin Durant has been on so
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many teams that there isn't really a team that you
should like erect a statue or have him attached to,
like he's been to too many teams.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
And and and I'm saying the.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Last two stops Brute the won in Phoenix where everybody
was ready to crown them, Oh my god, who are
you gonna stop? Devin Poker and KD and this and
that disaster did not work out, and unfortunately, I believe it.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Will not happen in Houston as well.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Like Charlie Murphy said when he was doing this sketch
on Dave CHAPELLEL wrong wrong. Let me tell you why
you're wrong. You listed two to three reasons why it's
going to work. So number one, when you start to
look at the statistics for the Houston Rockets and what
they did bad or what they did good.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Let's start with the shooting.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
The main reason why they struggled against teams was offensively,
they didn't have a go to bucket getter, and they
also struggled from three. They're near the bottom of the
league in the three point shooting. They're near the bottom
of the league in free throw shooting. The bottom shooting.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Now, yeah, one of the greatest ever fifty ninety forty
pretty much every year.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And field goal percentage they were all so low as well,
and clutch street point percentage they were only twenty four percent,
so they're very low.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
When you need he needed a bucket, you needed a shot.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
You needed to knock down free throws, you literally bring
in the best guy aside from maybe Steven. He might
even even better when you come to the mid range
as far as getting me a shot, whether it be
mid range, three pointers, free throws, it doesn't matter. So
you bring that guy in a seven foot walking bucket.
So that's where I disagree. It's a perfect fit. You
brought up Phoenix. Let me tell you why Phoenix was
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a horrible fit, because Phoenix Will had the same guy.
Bradley Beal doesn't do much unless he's got the ball
in his hand. Devin Booker quality player as far as
what all. He can distribute the ball a little bit,
but he's failed before Bradley Beal got it. But right
there he's before he because to you then my other
point coming up, they had three guys who all need
the ball to score, and they couldn't do much.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Not great assistment.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
They're not great dock down Defender's not gonna say, hey, Tana,
I'm gon get twelve points to get twelve rebounds. That's
just now. What they did Houston has that they got
guys who all want to do is play defense. They
got guys who all I want to do is is
muck up the game, play hard. Other guys who wanting
to drive the basket. So it's actually a much better fit.
The reason why when they had Devin book and Kevin
Durant it didn't work. They didn't have any depth. They
gave up all their depth to acquire Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Houston.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That's what they have so much so that they might
be able to sustain. This is the hardest part for
them to me. They lose Fred vlan Viet. Fred van
Vliet's easy to know rightvlan excuse me, Fred Van Vliet
is a big time lost because of veteran presence, big shoot,
shot maker and just that kind of guy who can
calmed the offense. Losing him is big. I'll give you that.
(04:27):
The only point you made that I will concede and
give you is Kevin Durant's health. Over the last five
six years, he has been known to miss a game,
miss half, you know, missing some parts of a season,
miss a third of season.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Oh you act like you poop pulling that. You know
I'm with you on it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So I'm saying that part there is an issue your
concerned with that, I'll give you that. But as far
as just quality of the player fit, to me, it's
it's perfect fit.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
The guy they need.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
They got I'm in Thoms, who's gonna be probably an
All Star this year or next. You got sham Goon,
who's one of the better post bigs down low. Have
you looked the division, the Western Conference or the conference is?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I told you so? You have them.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
You got the Rockets going to the finals, not go
to I think I have I'm not quite there yet
to see what's what, But now I'm saying I fully
expect them to be a good, very good team and
hard to beat.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Oh that's not why. But that's not why they brought
him on. And that's why you miss my point. My
point is you don't bring Kevin Durant to your team
to be a good team and to be in the mix.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
They were in the mix last year.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
They bring Kevin Durant to win, to go to the
NBA Finals, And that's what I'm saying, and it's not
gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That's why you bring in a Durant and you bring
them to get over the hup. I can give you
a Western Conference finals. I can't give you finals. I
gotta I gotta see everything losing for van Vliet. If
he was still there, I would feel much more comfortable
saying they have a great chance to go to finals. Ultimately,
we might be looking at a team that's gonna go
to the finals right now on our TV.
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Again.
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Speaker 3 (06:39):
And there was a many few going on.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
We already tried to talking there, right, it was Sean Payton,
who we just had e from salam One and this
is this is who he is, Sean Payton. I'm not
a fan, and especially as someone who sent players out
to hurt other players. I don't think you could count
that or act like that doesn't matter. If I had
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a Hall of Fame vote and Sean Payton's name came up,
there's no way in hell I would vote for such
a guy who got suspended by the league after they
warned him about this whole bounty thing about this is
not about It's about hurting people.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
You get paid if you knock somebody out of the
game because you hurt him so bad that they get
knocked out.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Of the game.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
And I don't know how in the world that Sean
Payton has been able to skate from that tag. You know,
where people were possibly where they were trying to hurt
other players.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Where are the other players to step up and go what? What?
What are you asking us to do? Yeah? I do
think there's the glad we talked about a little bit.
I think more affair.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
But I do think there's maybe not a literal paying way,
But I do think that's just been promoted through football
through sixty seventies, eighties, nineties, like not giving people money,
but it was a literal system. But bounty gate is
because it was money money off.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Okay, if you're out there trying to play and hit
as hard as you.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And Bill Romano, they weren't. They weren't getting paid, and
that's why he got suspended for you. That's anyway.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
The collapse by the Giants, and of course his Broncos won,
so he took the time.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
To uh throw out a comment slide remark about his
former quarterback Russell Wilson, who he had no use for
uh when he got there, never wanted him and just
treated him poorly.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I mean, whether and Russe the numbers weren't that bad
in the beginning when they first started playing. But anyway,
here's the sound of Sean Payton being a I want
to keep my job, being a bad guy.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
I have a ton of respect for that organization. I
spent four in my early years there close with the
Maritish family. You know, they found a little spark with
that quarterback. I was talking to John Mayor not too
long ago, and I said, we were hoping that that
change would have happened long long after our game.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Is that necessary? Especially when you look at it. Russell
Wilson has lost his job. The guy has won a
super Bowl in this league. The guy went to ten
Pro Bowls? Like, can you have some respect for Russell
Wilson whether you like it or not or whatever went down?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
It was.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Russell Wilson pushed back on social media, called it class
list rob.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Do you have the exact quote from the tweet?
Speaker 8 (09:35):
Yep, Russell Wilson tweeted out today classless but not surprised.
Didn't realize you're still bounty hunting fifteen plus years later
through the media, laughing emoji hashtag let's.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Ride and you know what I'm gonna give Russell Wilson applause,
because at some point you got to push back. You
can't allow people to continue to disrespect you and to
kick when you're down and to act like you did
nothing in the National Football League and you don't matter
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and and and that is foul. He's done nothing to
deserve that. There have been other quarterbacks you know, on
their way down or haven't played well and whatnot, and
there aren't disrespected the way that Sean Payton has tried
to disrespect or disrespect Russell Wilson. And I'm usually like,
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take the high roll, but it comes to point and
and and there was no need for that, am I right?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Like?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
What what was the wee well I talked about? I
was like, well, I was hoping that we could get
the terrible Russell. That's what he said, Russell Wilson before
you made the change at quarterback?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Is that is that what it was? Okay?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Then they have to take a dig at your ex
and they always say, you know why why I have
to go back and talk about your ex? And Sean
Payton call him Sean Petty because he has some petty
in him. Mean, throughout the years, we've seen that little
snipe remarks, you got the bounty gate stuff. There's a
time he was fine one hundred thousand dollars for the
whole he didn't wear a mask when he was supposed to,
and John Grud and him and joked about it, and
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he said, John Gruden, you the only stupid blankety blank
who actually paid one hundred thousand dollars fine because he
found out he paid it. Sean Payton has had a
history of doing petty and being petty, and then, of
course we know back in twenty twenty three didn't run
Russell Wilson, as you mentioned, and then tries to find
a way. He talks about, hey man, why don't you
just be injured so we don't have to play you.
Russ caused him out the whole few with ends sooes
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eventually they would release him in the spring, so but
they wouldn't play in the last couple of games and
it just was ended. Back Listen, Russell Wilson is very
politician like, very PC, very politically correct. G golly shucks,
you know, ride on less, ride bucks and all that.
But I do believe there's that straw that breaks the
camel back, you know what I mean, If you keep
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poking a jabbin at somebody. Eventually they're gonna they're gonna
snap back and clap back. And that's what Russell Wilson
is dead here, which is also a freeing thing. Sometimes
you try to be nice, sometimes you try to take
the high road, and then sometimes you finally be your
authentic self or at least your authentic thoughts in that.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Moment, and it becomes freeing. Rob were you like?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
You know what now that I met it, This is
really what I wanted to say to you. This is
really what I think of you. This is what I
should have said to you. And I wonder if this
is gonna be that freeing thing for Russell Wilson. Well,
where maybe he's no longer gonna be viewed as a
starter and I think he'll start a game because of
injuries and things like that, but viewed as a top
not starter. Maybe he can actually be himself now. And
another thing about Sean Payton. Sean Payton has been a
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solid to good coach, but the idea that he's just
been You got one super Bowl ring? Am I missing up? No?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
They think he's a genius.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
You got one super Bowl ring and you had about
ten fifteen years of Drew Brees.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Can I give you this, like Mike McCarthy's looked at
like he can't coach and him and Sean Payton go
look at their records. The only difference is Mike McCarthy
never went seven to nine with a Hall of Fame
quarterback three years in a row.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Go look, no, we did this before, because not for
the guys who are very similar Mike Tomlin, Mike McCarthy,
Sean Payton, they're they're winning percentages around the same. They
all got one early with their guys, and all of them.
What we learn, if you get your guy, you're usually
gonna win early with them. Uh you know first handful
of years with them. His case, you have Drew Brees,
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Ben Roethlisberger for Mike Tomlin, and then who miss Aaron
Rodgers or Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Usually you can get in. But the difference the way
that they look at Sean coach. He's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And my point is you're actually eerily similar to Russell Wilson,
uh in respects to your what you do, and he's
a quarterback Hall of Fame caliber. Maybe some people haven't,
maybe some people won't just like you right on the line.
Some people think you're Hall of Fame coach. Some people
are like, no, you're a really good coach, but not
a Hall of famer. Uh, both only have one Russia
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had too, So to me, they're the same guy. So
him acting as if he's just that much more superior
in his career. I mean, I told you to be
an offensive groogle with these Broncos. Aside from that thirty
three point fourth quarter they scored, and at fourth quarter
versus the Eagles two weeks earlier, there's twelve ten out
of the twelve quarters.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
They've scored sixteen points.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
To be this offensive guru, so and and if you're
the offensive guru, you know you and rest didn't work out.
So my point is, I just think Sean Payton's doing
too much. You've moved on. You've got your guy in
bow Knicks, They've got their guy in Jackson Dark to
take a shot at a man randomly who's you know,
minding his own business, and listen, nobody's had a great
light Russell.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Did anybody ask him about Russell Will.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Was a deliberate shot, which to me absolutely warranted the
shot back, especially from the guy that always g g
Gotti shucks is it.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
And it is classless. It's just unnecessarily gus it's classless. Look,
there's no reason to do that. Russell Wilson didn't even play,
not a part of the game. Why would you bring
him up without bringing out without saying his name. Everybody knows.
And again this just shows to me.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Whatever they had their issues in twenty twenty three is
carried over clearly that you know, having worked it out,
and he still has some disdain. And again, all right,
I like Russell saying what he said. In fact, Russ
do that a little bit more. You ain't got to
be the big time politicians.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I wouldn't say first because I was thinking it was
a pushback, so only on Richard Sherman.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Right, so you know all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, but that's why I said, Rob, sometimes this stuff
is freeing right where you're just like, you know what
you've been there each you know, maybe with a lady
bite your tongue or this you're find like, you know,
since we add it now that we talking about this
boom boom, boom and boom, and you wonder if we.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Might see the dark side of Russ a little bit
and you know me, I'm always trying to steady the ship.
I'm not trying to attack people. I want to have
peace and harmony. Seriously at the workplace. I love my coworkers. Yeah,
I mean Martin Luther King's smiling right now.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Think everyone who is smiling thinking about you, it is
It is the mother Teresa smiling.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
It's nothing better than rubbing elbows with the people you
work with and having the ultimate respect.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
If this worse, this was where they would go previously
on Curby you enthusiasm, I mean, then they would just
show all the clips of you getting reckless. It's reckless stuff,
and me and Robb g dusting up our boxing skills
to make sure we ain't got to throw a couple
of jazz back up off me jazz.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
You see, they're gonna attack me at the super Bowl
when my backs turn.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Listen, if you stay around and you ain't got to
get ready, you know, and listen. You know what those
Super Bowls do. That bar people be there all day
and you might have a few, and you come in
and they.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Just rob out another U buddy, and then you never know.
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Speaker 4 (16:42):
Col Rawley was talked to after the game.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Obviously, the marriage lose a hard breaker.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
They were up three to one, give up a three
run home run in the bottom of the seventh to
George Springo, they lose four to three. He had a
home running the game, and you know, they would ask
basically about whether this season was a failure. You know,
the Mariners are the only team not to win a pennant.
Forget about, you know, winning World Series, but actually winning
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a pennant to go to the World Series. That's what
the pennant would be if they would have won yesterday.
And remember they won the first two games in Toronto,
so they had to lose four out of five not
to make it to the World Series. And here was
his answer when they asked him about the season.
Speaker 9 (17:25):
You know, I hate to use the word failure, but
it's a failure. And that's what we expected just to
get to the World Series. Win World Series. And that's
you know what the bar is and the standard is,
and you know that's what we want to hold ourselves
accountable too. But yeah, it's uh, it hurts all.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Right, there's a real time answer, in a real time
gut feeling and a real time sadness to it. And
I believe him. He feels it's a failure. He feels
they were let down. We were right there. You mentioned that.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
You go in there. You still too in Toronto.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
You're feeling good about the the odds are in your
favorite you're up in Game seven, you hit a home
run and lose. It feels like a failure. But this
is where I disagree with them. I think time will reveal.
Right now, he's in the middle of it. You ask
him immediately, you put a mic in his face after
a tough, tough Game seven loss, chance to go to
World Series. Of course he's gonna say it feels a failure.
But I disagree. And the reason why is the specific
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sport Baseball is hard. Baseball is unique in that it's
a team sport, but it's the most individualized team sport, right,
And so many guys are considered greats who don't even
then even sniff a World Series opportunity.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
So many guys are great who maybe got to the
World Series. We didn't have it.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We say sometimes a lot of people believe Barry Bond's
the greatest player ever, doesn't have it. Obviously went to
World Series, but it doesn't have one. Mike Trout for
some years, man, where is he one of the all
time greats, doesn't have one as well and has not
even made the postseason and the eons. Baseball is just
different like that, where you can be remarkable, your team
can have a really good run, they can have an
incredible season, and it doesn't have to hinge on simply
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did you win a title. Basketball is like that because
you have a Steph Kurr, Lebron and his prime, a
Kobe and his prime.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
You fill in the blank and usually with that, that's two.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
That's a huge, that's twenty, maybe even forty percent, depend
on how you look on it. Because the guy plays
offense and he's played defense, he can be that spectacular
forty two or the forty eight minutes. And if you
have Jordan, you have Lebron, you have Shaq, you expect
to win a title in the next ten years, depending
on how long they were with your team. So it's
a little bit different. If you're the Patrick Mahomes and
then you feel like we got Andy reive. We got
Patrick Mahomes, we got a few of the same pieces.
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We expect to win titles just a failure if we don't.
Baseball is just tricky like that. Cubs sold out for
eons people they didn't win for a hundred years or
whatever it was. The Red Sox didn't win for eons,
and they still consider love People love him, They go
to the games, and obviously it sucks and you want
to win, but it's not considered a failure. Baseball is
just a completely different sport in that regard. So again,
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in the real time moment, I totally fully expect him
to feel that way, but I think as time goes
by he'll feel differently because it's a unique sport in
that you don't have to just win to still be
considered You don't have to have World Series titles to
be considered great. You can be great. A team can
be really good and not be penalized as you would
be if you're a great quarterback in the NFL. If
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you don't go to the Super Bowl and you're a
great quarterback, you can get penalized. If you're a star
player in the NBA, you never win a title or
get to the finals. You can be penalizing be Dan
for that. It's different in baseball. So I don't think
it's a failure. I think he's gonna look back and
feel differently at some point.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, I disagree it was a failure.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
And in this standpoint, when you it's one thing if
you're they had a really good team all year, they
did all these things that they want to accomplish, and
then they were up to all It wasn't like you
got swept and you were overmatched. And then people say,
well if they lucked into the playoffs and they really
weren't that good. No, people really thought that they were
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that good. Yeah, okay, and that's what I'm saying. So
you did and then they win the first two games.
The only way you don't win is you gotta lose
four of the next five. Three of those five games
are in your own building. Do you see what I'm saying.
So when they look at it, it's hard. It was
like I told you before with the Knicks and why
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Tims got fired.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
You beat the Celtics, the defending champs.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Now Indiana's coming to your crib and you go everybody
in New York, the Knicks are going to the finals.
Oh my god, they beat the Celtics and now they
just got to beat the Pacers. Pacers beat them last
year in seven games. You remember the Knicks had some
injuries whatever that Pacers won. This year, You're up by
fourteen or whatever, it was, sixteen with forty three to go,
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and you choke down that game. Then you don't even
fight back in Game two at home. You lose that game.
And I'm telling you, if you go ask people and say, well,
last year the Knicks got to the Conference finals for
the first time and eons, and my god, is that
a great season? That No, that was a failure because
something was sitting there. And that's why I think the
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Mariners could obviously look at it.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
They weren't. They weren't.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
They didn't get blown out ten nothing. In Game seven.
They were up three to one with needing seven outs, right,
six eight outs because it was in the seventh inning
with one out, So they were eight outs away from
going to the World Series for the very first time
in their franchise history. You think Kyle Riley is gonna
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hit sixty home runs again, Like this is one of
those moments and situations you want to capitalize because everything
worked out for you, and then you go, oh, we're
gonna get sixty home runs again next year, We're gonna
have this go right? Are the Rangers gonna be banged up?
And are we gonna win a division? You know all
these other things you start to look at and you
know how hard it is because you've seen the Yankees
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with their payroll, havn't won a World Series since two
thousand and nine. It ain't automatic that you get to
go back next year and you're in that position. That's
why for him to say it's a failure, I know
it sounds hard, but it is a.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Failure and I absolutely hear you.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
But for so many reasons, that's why I think he's
gonna eventually look at it. We talked about Seattle and
how they haven't done much, they haven't had great seasons.
They haven't had and not to mention him personally, a
historic personal season, which in baseball is a great ride
for the fan base.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Right, they take this ride with him.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
They go through home run setting, most home runs for
a catcher, most home runs for a switch hitter, most
home runs in franchise history, all of those things matter
is a part of the season and telling you fans himself,
they're gonna look back as they get further away and
be like, man, that was an incredible season. It sucks
that we didn't get there, and that burns for a
while and burns forever. But the idea that the season
was a failure, I don't think he's gonna feel that
(23:39):
way as time goes by. You put a mic in
his face in that moment. Absolutely he's gonna say that.
Fans might feel that, but I think i'd rather hear.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Him say that if I was a fan, rather than
rather than jann Is saying when they lost, oh, it
wasn't a failure. We you know what was his exact thing,
Rob g He was just kind of poo pooling the
hold nobody lost or whatever like that whole notion. I'm
not buying that, because there is we do keep track
of who wins and who nobody loses. You know, yeah,
(24:09):
steps to success, which just no, you lost. You know,
Doc Rivers can sit there and go, what did he say?
I don't know how many people lost that many games? No,
that was right, Doc. What was making up excuses for him?
He was basically saying, you know how hard it is
to even get to the playoff. And that's what I'm saying. Right,
(24:30):
more than half the league makes the playoffs. DOC, what
part of you? What part do we understand
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm convinced.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
What are you convinced about that one of the storylines
that a lot of people are excited about will not
come to fruition, will be a spectacular disaster, will not happen,
and will be a fail Netlas that's Kevin Durant and
the whole era in Houston and that they're going to
the finals and he's the missing piece and they had
(00:47):
the young pieces, they have the coach and all that
other stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I think the West is extremely tough. Number one. Number two,
I don't know with his showing up.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
In Houston changes the not dynamics of the young team
and what they had going because he's such a great player,
and uh, there's no way that you keep playing the
same way when you add him to the mix. And
then number three is we've seen this guy get hurt
without contact. I don't know if we can trust him
(01:25):
uh to stay healthy for an entire season. And lastly,
this will be the third stop where he's trained derailed.
This is just who he is and the idea that
he's a vagabon and he's just gonna go to team
to team like seriously, Kevin Durant has been on so
(01:47):
many teams that there isn't really a team that you
should like erect a statue or have him attached to,
like he's been to too many teams.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
And and and I'm saying the.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Last two stops Brute the won in Phoenix where everybody
was ready to crown them, Oh my god, who are
you gonna stop? Devin Poker and KD and this and
that disaster did not work out, and unfortunately, I believe it.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Will not happen in Houston as well.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Like Charlie Murphy said when he was doing this sketch
on Dave CHAPELLEL wrong wrong. Let me tell you why
you're wrong. You listed two to three reasons why it's
going to work. So number one, when you start to
look at the statistics for the Houston Rockets and what
they did bad or what they did good.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Let's start with the shooting.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
The main reason why they struggled against teams was offensively,
they didn't have a go to bucket getter, and they
also struggled from three. They're near the bottom of the
league in the three point shooting. They're near the bottom
of the league in free throw shooting. The bottom shooting.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Now, yeah, one of the greatest ever fifty ninety forty
pretty much every year.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And field goal percentage they were all so low as well,
and clutch street point percentage they were only twenty four percent,
so they're very low.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
When you need he needed a bucket, you needed a shot.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
You needed to knock down free throws, you literally bring
in the best guy aside from maybe Steven. He might
even even better when you come to the mid range
as far as getting me a shot, whether it be
mid range, three pointers, free throws, it doesn't matter. So
you bring that guy in a seven foot walking bucket.
So that's where I disagree. It's a perfect fit. You
brought up Phoenix. Let me tell you why Phoenix was
(03:21):
a horrible fit, because Phoenix Will had the same guy.
Bradley Beal doesn't do much unless he's got the ball
in his hand. Devin Booker quality player as far as
what all. He can distribute the ball a little bit,
but he's failed before Bradley Beal got it. But right
there he's before he because to you then my other
point coming up, they had three guys who all need
the ball to score, and they couldn't do much.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Not great assistment.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
They're not great dock down Defender's not gonna say, hey, Tana,
I'm gon get twelve points to get twelve rebounds. That's
just now. What they did Houston has that they got
guys who all want to do is play defense. They
got guys who all I want to do is is
muck up the game, play hard. Other guys who wanting
to drive the basket. So it's actually a much better fit.
The reason why when they had Devin book and Kevin
Durant it didn't work. They didn't have any depth. They
gave up all their depth to acquire Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Houston.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That's what they have so much so that they might
be able to sustain. This is the hardest part for
them to me. They lose Fred vlan Viet. Fred van
Vliet's easy to know rightvlan excuse me, Fred Van Vliet
is a big time lost because of veteran presence, big shoot,
shot maker and just that kind of guy who can
calmed the offense. Losing him is big. I'll give you that.
(04:27):
The only point you made that I will concede and
give you is Kevin Durant's health. Over the last five
six years, he has been known to miss a game,
miss half, you know, missing some parts of a season,
miss a third of season.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Oh you act like you poop pulling that. You know
I'm with you on it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So I'm saying that part there is an issue your
concerned with that, I'll give you that. But as far
as just quality of the player fit, to me, it's
it's perfect fit.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
The guy they need.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
They got I'm in Thoms, who's gonna be probably an
All Star this year or next. You got sham Goon,
who's one of the better post bigs down low. Have
you looked the division, the Western Conference or the conference is?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I told you so? You have them.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
You got the Rockets going to the finals, not go
to I think I have I'm not quite there yet
to see what's what, But now I'm saying I fully
expect them to be a good, very good team and
hard to beat.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Oh that's not why. But that's not why they brought
him on. And that's why you miss my point. My
point is you don't bring Kevin Durant to your team
to be a good team and to be in the mix.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
They were in the mix last year.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
They bring Kevin Durant to win, to go to the
NBA Finals, And that's what I'm saying, and it's not
gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That's why you bring in a Durant and you bring
them to get over the hup. I can give you
a Western Conference finals. I can't give you finals. I
gotta I gotta see everything losing for van Vliet. If
he was still there, I would feel much more comfortable
saying they have a great chance to go to finals. Ultimately,
we might be looking at a team that's gonna go
to the finals right now on our TV.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Again.
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Speaker 3 (06:39):
And there was a many few going on.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
We already tried to talking there, right, it was Sean Payton,
who we just had e from salam One and this
is this is who he is, Sean Payton. I'm not
a fan, and especially as someone who sent players out
to hurt other players. I don't think you could count
that or act like that doesn't matter. If I had
(07:03):
a Hall of Fame vote and Sean Payton's name came up,
there's no way in hell I would vote for such
a guy who got suspended by the league after they
warned him about this whole bounty thing about this is
not about It's about hurting people.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
You get paid if you knock somebody out of the
game because you hurt him so bad that they get
knocked out.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Of the game.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
And I don't know how in the world that Sean
Payton has been able to skate from that tag. You know,
where people were possibly where they were trying to hurt
other players.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Where are the other players to step up and go what? What?
What are you asking us to do? Yeah? I do
think there's the glad we talked about a little bit.
I think more affair.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
But I do think there's maybe not a literal paying way,
But I do think that's just been promoted through football
through sixty seventies, eighties, nineties, like not giving people money,
but it was a literal system. But bounty gate is
because it was money money off.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Okay, if you're out there trying to play and hit
as hard as you.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And Bill Romano, they weren't. They weren't getting paid, and
that's why he got suspended for you. That's anyway.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
The collapse by the Giants, and of course his Broncos won,
so he took the time.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
To uh throw out a comment slide remark about his
former quarterback Russell Wilson, who he had no use for
uh when he got there, never wanted him and just
treated him poorly.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I mean, whether and Russe the numbers weren't that bad
in the beginning when they first started playing. But anyway,
here's the sound of Sean Payton being a I want
to keep my job, being a bad guy.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
I have a ton of respect for that organization. I
spent four in my early years there close with the
Maritish family. You know, they found a little spark with
that quarterback. I was talking to John Mayor not too
long ago, and I said, we were hoping that that
change would have happened long long after our game.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Is that necessary? Especially when you look at it. Russell
Wilson has lost his job. The guy has won a
super Bowl in this league. The guy went to ten
Pro Bowls? Like, can you have some respect for Russell
Wilson whether you like it or not or whatever went down?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
It was.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Russell Wilson pushed back on social media, called it class
list rob.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Do you have the exact quote from the tweet?
Speaker 8 (09:35):
Yep, Russell Wilson tweeted out today classless but not surprised.
Didn't realize you're still bounty hunting fifteen plus years later
through the media, laughing emoji hashtag let's.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Ride and you know what I'm gonna give Russell Wilson applause,
because at some point you got to push back. You
can't allow people to continue to disrespect you and to
kick when you're down and to act like you did
nothing in the National Football League and you don't matter
(10:06):
and and and that is foul. He's done nothing to
deserve that. There have been other quarterbacks you know, on
their way down or haven't played well and whatnot, and
there aren't disrespected the way that Sean Payton has tried
to disrespect or disrespect Russell Wilson. And I'm usually like,
(10:27):
take the high roll, but it comes to point and
and and there was no need for that, am I right?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Like?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
What what was the wee well I talked about? I
was like, well, I was hoping that we could get
the terrible Russell. That's what he said, Russell Wilson before
you made the change at quarterback?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Is that is that what it was? Okay?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Then they have to take a dig at your ex
and they always say, you know why why I have
to go back and talk about your ex? And Sean
Payton call him Sean Petty because he has some petty
in him. Mean, throughout the years, we've seen that little
snipe remarks, you got the bounty gate stuff. There's a
time he was fine one hundred thousand dollars for the
whole he didn't wear a mask when he was supposed to,
and John Grud and him and joked about it, and
(11:05):
he said, John Gruden, you the only stupid blankety blank
who actually paid one hundred thousand dollars fine because he
found out he paid it. Sean Payton has had a
history of doing petty and being petty, and then, of
course we know back in twenty twenty three didn't run
Russell Wilson, as you mentioned, and then tries to find
a way. He talks about, hey man, why don't you
just be injured so we don't have to play you.
Russ caused him out the whole few with ends sooes
(11:26):
eventually they would release him in the spring, so but
they wouldn't play in the last couple of games and
it just was ended. Back Listen, Russell Wilson is very
politician like, very PC, very politically correct. G golly shucks,
you know, ride on less, ride bucks and all that.
But I do believe there's that straw that breaks the
camel back, you know what I mean, If you keep
(11:46):
poking a jabbin at somebody. Eventually they're gonna they're gonna
snap back and clap back. And that's what Russell Wilson
is dead here, which is also a freeing thing. Sometimes
you try to be nice, sometimes you try to take
the high road, and then sometimes you finally be your
authentic self or at least your authentic thoughts in that.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Moment, and it becomes freeing. Rob were you like?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
You know what now that I met it, This is
really what I wanted to say to you. This is
really what I think of you. This is what I
should have said to you. And I wonder if this
is gonna be that freeing thing for Russell Wilson. Well,
where maybe he's no longer gonna be viewed as a
starter and I think he'll start a game because of
injuries and things like that, but viewed as a top
not starter. Maybe he can actually be himself now. And
another thing about Sean Payton. Sean Payton has been a
(12:27):
solid to good coach, but the idea that he's just
been You got one super Bowl ring? Am I missing up? No?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
They think he's a genius.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
You got one super Bowl ring and you had about
ten fifteen years of Drew Brees.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Can I give you this, like Mike McCarthy's looked at
like he can't coach and him and Sean Payton go
look at their records. The only difference is Mike McCarthy
never went seven to nine with a Hall of Fame
quarterback three years in a row.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Go look, no, we did this before, because not for
the guys who are very similar Mike Tomlin, Mike McCarthy,
Sean Payton, they're they're winning percentages around the same. They
all got one early with their guys, and all of them.
What we learn, if you get your guy, you're usually
gonna win early with them. Uh you know first handful
of years with them. His case, you have Drew Brees,
(13:17):
Ben Roethlisberger for Mike Tomlin, and then who miss Aaron
Rodgers or Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Usually you can get in. But the difference the way
that they look at Sean coach. He's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And my point is you're actually eerily similar to Russell Wilson,
uh in respects to your what you do, and he's
a quarterback Hall of Fame caliber. Maybe some people haven't,
maybe some people won't just like you right on the line.
Some people think you're Hall of Fame coach. Some people
are like, no, you're a really good coach, but not
a Hall of famer. Uh, both only have one Russia
(13:50):
had too, So to me, they're the same guy. So
him acting as if he's just that much more superior
in his career. I mean, I told you to be
an offensive groogle with these Broncos. Aside from that thirty
three point fourth quarter they scored, and at fourth quarter
versus the Eagles two weeks earlier, there's twelve ten out
of the twelve quarters.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
They've scored sixteen points.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
To be this offensive guru, so and and if you're
the offensive guru, you know you and rest didn't work out.
So my point is, I just think Sean Payton's doing
too much. You've moved on. You've got your guy in
bow Knicks, They've got their guy in Jackson Dark to
take a shot at a man randomly who's you know,
minding his own business, and listen, nobody's had a great
light Russell.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Did anybody ask him about Russell Will.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Was a deliberate shot, which to me absolutely warranted the
shot back, especially from the guy that always g g
Gotti shucks is it.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
And it is classless. It's just unnecessarily gus it's classless. Look,
there's no reason to do that. Russell Wilson didn't even play,
not a part of the game. Why would you bring
him up without bringing out without saying his name. Everybody knows.
And again this just shows to me.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Whatever they had their issues in twenty twenty three is
carried over clearly that you know, having worked it out,
and he still has some disdain. And again, all right,
I like Russell saying what he said. In fact, Russ
do that a little bit more. You ain't got to
be the big time politicians.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I wouldn't say first because I was thinking it was
a pushback, so only on Richard Sherman.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Right, so you know all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, but that's why I said, Rob, sometimes this stuff
is freeing right where you're just like, you know what
you've been there each you know, maybe with a lady
bite your tongue or this you're find like, you know,
since we add it now that we talking about this
boom boom, boom and boom, and you wonder if we.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Might see the dark side of Russ a little bit
and you know me, I'm always trying to steady the ship.
I'm not trying to attack people. I want to have
peace and harmony. Seriously at the workplace. I love my coworkers. Yeah,
I mean Martin Luther King's smiling right now.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Think everyone who is smiling thinking about you, it is
It is the mother Teresa smiling.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
It's nothing better than rubbing elbows with the people you
work with and having the ultimate respect.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
If this worse, this was where they would go previously
on Curby you enthusiasm, I mean, then they would just
show all the clips of you getting reckless. It's reckless stuff,
and me and Robb g dusting up our boxing skills
to make sure we ain't got to throw a couple
of jazz back up off me jazz.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
You see, they're gonna attack me at the super Bowl
when my backs turn.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Listen, if you stay around and you ain't got to
get ready, you know, and listen. You know what those
Super Bowls do. That bar people be there all day
and you might have a few, and you come in
and they.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Just rob out another U buddy, and then you never know.
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Speaker 4 (16:42):
Col Rawley was talked to after the game.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Obviously, the marriage lose a hard breaker.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
They were up three to one, give up a three
run home run in the bottom of the seventh to
George Springo, they lose four to three. He had a
home running the game, and you know, they would ask
basically about whether this season was a failure. You know,
the Mariners are the only team not to win a pennant.
Forget about, you know, winning World Series, but actually winning
(17:09):
a pennant to go to the World Series. That's what
the pennant would be if they would have won yesterday.
And remember they won the first two games in Toronto,
so they had to lose four out of five not
to make it to the World Series. And here was
his answer when they asked him about the season.
Speaker 9 (17:25):
You know, I hate to use the word failure, but
it's a failure. And that's what we expected just to
get to the World Series. Win World Series. And that's
you know what the bar is and the standard is,
and you know that's what we want to hold ourselves
accountable too. But yeah, it's uh, it hurts all.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Right, there's a real time answer, in a real time
gut feeling and a real time sadness to it. And
I believe him. He feels it's a failure. He feels
they were let down. We were right there. You mentioned that.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
You go in there. You still too in Toronto.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
You're feeling good about the the odds are in your
favorite you're up in Game seven, you hit a home
run and lose. It feels like a failure. But this
is where I disagree with them. I think time will reveal.
Right now, he's in the middle of it. You ask
him immediately, you put a mic in his face after
a tough, tough Game seven loss, chance to go to
World Series. Of course he's gonna say it feels a failure.
But I disagree. And the reason why is the specific
(18:16):
sport Baseball is hard. Baseball is unique in that it's
a team sport, but it's the most individualized team sport, right,
And so many guys are considered greats who don't even
then even sniff a World Series opportunity.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
So many guys are great who maybe got to the
World Series. We didn't have it.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We say sometimes a lot of people believe Barry Bond's
the greatest player ever, doesn't have it. Obviously went to
World Series, but it doesn't have one. Mike Trout for
some years, man, where is he one of the all
time greats, doesn't have one as well and has not
even made the postseason and the eons. Baseball is just
different like that, where you can be remarkable, your team
can have a really good run, they can have an
incredible season, and it doesn't have to hinge on simply
(18:56):
did you win a title. Basketball is like that because
you have a Steph Kurr, Lebron and his prime, a
Kobe and his prime.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
You fill in the blank and usually with that, that's two.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
That's a huge, that's twenty, maybe even forty percent, depend
on how you look on it. Because the guy plays
offense and he's played defense, he can be that spectacular
forty two or the forty eight minutes. And if you
have Jordan, you have Lebron, you have Shaq, you expect
to win a title in the next ten years, depending
on how long they were with your team. So it's
a little bit different. If you're the Patrick Mahomes and
then you feel like we got Andy reive. We got
Patrick Mahomes, we got a few of the same pieces.
(19:27):
We expect to win titles just a failure if we don't.
Baseball is just tricky like that. Cubs sold out for
eons people they didn't win for a hundred years or
whatever it was. The Red Sox didn't win for eons,
and they still consider love People love him, They go
to the games, and obviously it sucks and you want
to win, but it's not considered a failure. Baseball is
just a completely different sport in that regard. So again,
(19:48):
in the real time moment, I totally fully expect him
to feel that way, but I think as time goes
by he'll feel differently because it's a unique sport in
that you don't have to just win to still be
considered You don't have to have World Series titles to
be considered great. You can be great. A team can
be really good and not be penalized as you would
be if you're a great quarterback in the NFL. If
(20:09):
you don't go to the Super Bowl and you're a
great quarterback, you can get penalized. If you're a star
player in the NBA, you never win a title or
get to the finals. You can be penalizing be Dan
for that. It's different in baseball. So I don't think
it's a failure. I think he's gonna look back and
feel differently at some point.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, I disagree it was a failure.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
And in this standpoint, when you it's one thing if
you're they had a really good team all year, they
did all these things that they want to accomplish, and
then they were up to all It wasn't like you
got swept and you were overmatched. And then people say,
well if they lucked into the playoffs and they really
weren't that good. No, people really thought that they were
(20:47):
that good. Yeah, okay, and that's what I'm saying. So
you did and then they win the first two games.
The only way you don't win is you gotta lose
four of the next five. Three of those five games
are in your own building. Do you see what I'm saying.
So when they look at it, it's hard. It was
like I told you before with the Knicks and why
(21:09):
Tims got fired.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
You beat the Celtics, the defending champs.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Now Indiana's coming to your crib and you go everybody
in New York, the Knicks are going to the finals.
Oh my god, they beat the Celtics and now they
just got to beat the Pacers. Pacers beat them last
year in seven games. You remember the Knicks had some
injuries whatever that Pacers won. This year, You're up by
fourteen or whatever, it was, sixteen with forty three to go,
(21:39):
and you choke down that game. Then you don't even
fight back in Game two at home. You lose that game.
And I'm telling you, if you go ask people and say, well,
last year the Knicks got to the Conference finals for
the first time and eons, and my god, is that
a great season? That No, that was a failure because
something was sitting there. And that's why I think the
(22:00):
Mariners could obviously look at it.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
They weren't. They weren't.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
They didn't get blown out ten nothing. In Game seven.
They were up three to one with needing seven outs, right,
six eight outs because it was in the seventh inning
with one out, So they were eight outs away from
going to the World Series for the very first time
in their franchise history. You think Kyle Riley is gonna
(22:24):
hit sixty home runs again, Like this is one of
those moments and situations you want to capitalize because everything
worked out for you, and then you go, oh, we're
gonna get sixty home runs again next year, We're gonna
have this go right? Are the Rangers gonna be banged up?
And are we gonna win a division? You know all
these other things you start to look at and you
know how hard it is because you've seen the Yankees
(22:47):
with their payroll, havn't won a World Series since two
thousand and nine. It ain't automatic that you get to
go back next year and you're in that position. That's
why for him to say it's a failure, I know
it sounds hard, but it is a.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Failure and I absolutely hear you.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
But for so many reasons, that's why I think he's
gonna eventually look at it. We talked about Seattle and
how they haven't done much, they haven't had great seasons.
They haven't had and not to mention him personally, a
historic personal season, which in baseball is a great ride
for the fan base.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Right, they take this ride with him.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
They go through home run setting, most home runs for
a catcher, most home runs for a switch hitter, most
home runs in franchise history, all of those things matter
is a part of the season and telling you fans himself,
they're gonna look back as they get further away and
be like, man, that was an incredible season. It sucks
that we didn't get there, and that burns for a
while and burns forever. But the idea that the season
was a failure, I don't think he's gonna feel that
(23:39):
way as time goes by. You put a mic in
his face in that moment. Absolutely he's gonna say that.
Fans might feel that, but I think i'd rather hear.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Him say that if I was a fan, rather than
rather than jann Is saying when they lost, oh, it
wasn't a failure. We you know what was his exact thing,
Rob g He was just kind of poo pooling the
hold nobody lost or whatever like that whole notion. I'm
not buying that, because there is we do keep track
of who wins and who nobody loses. You know, yeah,
(24:09):
steps to success, which just no, you lost. You know,
Doc Rivers can sit there and go, what did he say?
I don't know how many people lost that many games? No,
that was right, Doc. What was making up excuses for him?
He was basically saying, you know how hard it is
to even get to the playoff. And that's what I'm saying. Right,
(24:30):
more than half the league makes the playoffs. DOC, what
part of you? What part do we understand
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