October 23, 2025 • 33 mins
Rob and Kelvin explain discuss how much blame Adam Silver deserves for the bombshell gambling scandal to hit the NBA on Thursday, and debate whether Chauncey Billups’ involvement in the illegal poker and sports gambling scandals should be enough to get him kicked out of the Pro Basketball Hall of Fame. Plus, professional sports bettor and ‘Countdown to Kickoff’ co-host Bill Krackomberger swings by to share his insight on the NBA gambling scandal involving Chauncey Billups, Terry Rozier and Damon Jones.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Couple the Association. Indeed, what a bombshell today, right? This
season has just started, basically a couple games under the belt.
You know, people are ready to buzz about Wimby and
some other players and what's going on, and then all
hell breaks loose.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, to put it in lightly, hell hell broke loose.
It's a lot that happen. I'm gonna try to give
you the cliffs notes version because it is a lot.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
But long story short.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Blazers coach Chauncey Billups, heat guard Terry Roseier, and former
NBA are Damon Jones or a friend of ours show
friend of the show?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Yes, he's been on Kelvin.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
I was going to.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Text him yesterday and I stopped myself and I would
have been real awkward if I had. But any event,
all three of them were arrested and are being charged
for a series of different allegations quickly. Chauncey Billups is
alleged to have been part of a illegal poker scheme
where they were defrauding people over millions of dollars using
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X ray glasses and rig shuffle machines, so on and
so forth, in addition to being implicated in a illegal
information sharing scheme with regard to the NBA games, specifically
that he was tipping off betters that players on his
team would not be playing because the team was taking
that's number one Terry Rogier, we already know about it
(01:50):
prop bets. Allegedly that he was telling people know, I'm
not going to play this many minutes this game, so
hit the under on all my bets. That's being alleged
with him. And last but not least, Damon Jones allegedly
not only was he part of the Chauncey Billups poker
scheme to defraud people, he also allegedly was tipping off
betters that Lebron James. Even though he did not work
(02:12):
for the Lakers, he was not an official coach on
the Lakers, he was brought in by Lebron as like
a special assistant, helping before games. He was riding on
the team plane, he was staying in the hotel. He
was tipping off betters that Lebron James, even though he
wasn't listed on the injury report, would not be playing,
so bet against the Lakers in this upcoming game.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Again, this is all fluid.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
These are all allegations for now, but bombshell being dropped
in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
And I'm glad you said that everyone is innocent into
a proven guilty, So we start there.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
No one's saying anybody's guilty. We don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
That's why there's a trial and all kinds of other
stuff that has to go on. Kelvin, did we just
put that up out front?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Okay? But did?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I'm gonna start here, and I'm gonna start here because
I get it. Everyone's gonna say these guys are dumb
and are stupid. Right, Oh, you're stupid. You make millions.
You're an NBA player, Johnson's in the Hall of Fame,
he's an NBA head coach. He made a ton of
money as a player. They were all dumb and all stupid.
(03:13):
I'm gonna lay the blame squarely on your Commissioner, Adam Silver,
the NBA, and all the other leagues following behind.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Okay, this is where I'm gonna put.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
The blame, because they've made it comfortable enough where people
felt like they can do this and they can be
involved in it. Because at one time Kelvin gambling was
a no no. So much so I remember them saying,
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they'll never.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Be a team in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Right, They'll never be a team in Las Vegas because
they're not gonna do that. I remember when Major League
Baseball told Mickey Mantle and Willie Made to get lost Rocks.
They were greeters at Atlantic City in front of a casino. Right, fans,
come meet Mickey Manno, these guys are a long time retired.
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They were retired baseball players. They weren't even playing. They said,
if you're greeters, we want nothing to do with you.
You can't wear a Major League Baseball uniform, you can't
come to Old Timers Day, nothing to do with the sport.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
We know what Pete Baseball did to Pete Rose.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Right, No Persada, Nongrad, your band for life, all the
other stuff, and now that's all changed, and all the leagues.
I'm not saying all the leagues, we know this. They're
all in bed with the casinos. We've normalized gambling to
the point where people feel comfortable.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
To even do this. We just saw last week.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Did we not talk Kelvin about the colleges, colleges allowing
players to no both bet on on as long as
it's not your game, you can bet on.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
And this is why I think we are will we
are is because there is no fear of God from
the league's. The Terry Roseier thing is as bad a
black guy to the NBA as anything. How the hell
did they clear him? Who's your investigative team? They should
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all be fired. Adam Silver should come with his hat
in his hand and apologize that this league basically exonerated
him and allowed him to play and then the FBI
snaps handcuffs on him today.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Seriously, how did that happen? You know how that happened?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Because they wanted it to go away.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Let me add it to go away?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
And go ahead, Kevin, I I can see here all.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Let me add to that. Not only did they want
it to go away. If you recall, do you remember
when it went away? Do you remember what happened that day.
That's the day Malik Beasley's thing came out. So they
didn't want it to have multiple stuff going on at
the same time. So let's kind of scurry and move
on away from one the other one comes out, let's
hurry up and get away from that one. Oh, we're
(06:12):
right in the middle of what. We're right in the
middle of the Steve Bamber Kawhi Leonard Clipper thing. So
the NBA had a lot going on right now. And
you already know the Johntay Porter stuff that happened with
the you know, the the last year.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
So there is a lot when.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
It came to gambling, Tim Donaheed, notwithstanding over the last
ten to fifteen years, and especially now that the NBA
is trying to skate away from. And the challenge with
this is they are in bed with gambling. So they
tell you don't gamble on certain things. But hold on,
let's take a quick break. It's brought to you by DraftKings,
it's brought to you by Price Picks, brought to you
(06:48):
by FanDuel, And so which one is it? Is it
don't gamble? Is it gamble this way? Or if you
are going to gamble only use our sites. So it
is a convoluted, mixed up thing that is getting ugly,
that is creating a normalcy to kids because it's on absence,
looks fun and it looks like something cool to do,
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and you don't have to bet big money. You can
bet a few dollars, so that's not a big problem.
I'm only betting a few dollars, and it causes, it
can cause and lead to people becoming becoming problematic. Now,
going back to the NBA specific, I don't fully agree
with you in that I agree that this is horrible.
You and I have talked about it for a whole year.
Now the whole gambling in bed with everybody. Then you're
telling them not to gamble. The only challenge I'll have
(07:30):
with this is to damon Jones taking advantage of information
about Lebron a professional you retired from.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
The game like that.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
That's on you being a part of you know, Gilberderenas
and all that stuff happened with Gilbert. Now you got
with stuff it allegedly happened with Chauncey, like being a
part of mop tied casino games and poker nights. I
should say that's on you like so, I don't want
(08:01):
to absolve the personal responsibility. I do think the convenience,
the normalcy, the ease has become become all of these leagues,
and the league is in a very peculiar situation now
where I.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Think we're gonna get more and more. You and I've
talked about it.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Michael Porter, John Tay Porter's brother talked about it recently
on a podcast. He said, you know how hard it
is for these young dudes to come in, ain't really
making crazy money, knowing so and so got a bum leg,
And you might want to take the under on tonight.
Knowing so and so, you know what's the over today?
I'm taking ten threes. You might want to take the
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under tonight. I'm only gonna shoot seven. And if you're
a young dude, that is hard to not do. And
the normalcy in which happens they're allowing it in college,
as we talked about, as long as it's on the pros,
this is just all gonna be missed up, mixed up
and mixed up. Rob and I think we're gonna find
where this becomes an epidemic, where we're gonna look up
ten fifteen years from now and we have an epic
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of young people turned adults who have gambling problems that
they never even thought of this becoming an issue for them.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
You have in Cleveland, they have a gambling spot inside
the arena, and it's inside the arena, Yet you're telling
players they can't participate. It's normal for everybody else, right, Yeah,
So once you once you cross that, you can't close
it off. You can't tell them everybody around them can gamble.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
It's it's in your face.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Everything is sponsored by right, and I'm saying that at
some point all money is not good money because you're
messing with the integrity of the game. That's why forever
these leagues never got in bed with Las Vegas. No,
no events, nothing. We're not having anything in Las Vegas.
(09:56):
The players aren't staying in Las Vegas, do you know
what I'm say? And now all that has been now
and now all of that has gone.
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Speaker 5 (10:54):
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Speaker 7 (10:56):
Hey, how you guys doing?
Speaker 5 (10:57):
All right?
Speaker 7 (10:58):
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called the Vets With it be old school Chicago style steakhouse.
It's like walking into the twenties, that's all I can
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Speaker 1 (11:14):
All Right, well, you know I love the steaks, so
definitely that's somewhere from me, Bill, no doubt about that.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
On the list. I'll be in Vegas a couple of
weeks but.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Bill, I mean the shockwaves through Vegas today.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I mean, come on, like seriously, the fbis involved, current
players are in handcuffs.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
What was your take when you just heard the news?
Speaker 7 (11:33):
You know, I heard earlier this morning and I go
on to show downtown at Circa in the morning. I
heard about it right away, and I just was kind
of shocked, But I wasn't shocked. I'm shocked by the
stupidity of players that make millions of dollars a year
that would actually risk themselves for such small amounts of money.
(11:54):
But I'm not shocked at Like, you know, there was
a recent Major League Baseball pitcher that had it. H
that's right, or he was you know, first pitch. I mean,
of course, that's really unethical, and that's terrible that he
did something like that. But he's making eight hundred thousand
a year. You're talking about guy making twenty five million
a year, twenty four and a half million a year.
(12:16):
I just can't believe he would do something so stupid
like that. I really can't. And to see it happen,
it's such a sore spot and such a black high
on the industry. It was definitely done purposely because the
basketball season was starting too. I think that's that's that's
a that's a that's a no brainer.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
But do you get more attention if you do it
in the offseason and then I get it and you're
trying to, you know, put the hammer down on this
situation and get people's attention, and they got people's attention.
I do want to ask you and Kevin, I'm sorry,
let me just follow up.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Go ahead, just the idea.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Bill, Kelvin and I have said this on the show,
like the prop bets have to stop, because those are
the ones to me that are very easy and very
I might not bet on it, but I could call
friends and family and be like, yo, if my over
under tonight is seven three pointers, trust me, I will
not have seven three pointers tonight. And you guys can
(13:16):
load up and I'm not have to lend you any money.
I don't have to give you any money, but I'm
I'm I can help you well.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
To be real blunt, though I bet NBA, NFL and
even baseball props every day, it's not an efficient market
like an NBA or NFL side is. I know. I
can actually just follow the socials, follow the beat reporters
and I can get a better grasp on an NBA player,
how they're doing on the sidelines, how they're warming up situationally.
(13:44):
Let me just tell you, even me with all my connections,
I'm just going to be real blunts. I can get
down maybe I don't know, three, maybe four thousand dollars.
The sportsbooks don't take any big bets on it. I
can walk right to the counter right here where I'm at,
and they're going to take five hundred dollars on an
NBA prop bet. However, if I want to bet on
the Lakers, how much money you got in your bags?
(14:05):
You got two hundred thousand, will take it. So I
really don't know about what they're saying, Like, I don't
know how much.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Well, somebody that bet twenty thousand dollars, they said it
was a twenty thousand dollars that was bet on it
because you could spread it out amongst other you know
what I mean, not make it that obvious.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
To believe it.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
That's what they That's what that's what they said. It
was over TI.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Every single day, every single day, Bill Krackenberger is betting
NBA and NFL prop store in their respective seasons. I'll
tell you right now, I have a good I have
a good amount of places here in Vegas that take
my bets. And I just know what they take a
maximum bet in these casinos here, and.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Now what is it?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
What is the maximum?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So you can't if if it went when you had
two thousand dollars, they wouldn't take it.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
No, No, no one's taking two thousand. Westgate and Circles
the biggest too in town here. They're taking a thousand each.
And that's always been the case. It's not like they
now they're only taking a thousand because of the story.
That's what they've been taking always now, so why even
have it?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
It's if it's not that big of a money, why
have inhabit? Then if you're telling me that it's not
a lot of money, better on it. Then you could
eliminate the prop bets bill, can't you?
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (15:08):
They could you have a valid Okay, you know I
did about seven different interviews today. This is why you
guys are geniuses. And I'm not gonna say nothing bad
about anyone else earlier, nobody out of the seven, you're
the first guys that said why not just eliminate prop bets?
I'm not the first guys.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
All right, we've said it.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Yeah, Bill, Robin and I talk about this all the
time because the ease in which and now you have
kids and the access to it, it's almost like a
video game. It's almost fun, right, just oh, I could
throw ten bucks on this. And to me, it's where
it becomes problematic is because it's going it can potentially
spread and because something that's habitual for young people. Let
me ask you though, that I want to go to
the other side of this, the information game. Let's look
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at it like politics. You know, it's it's illegal. If
I do it, you do it. But if a politician
does some insight trader, it's just like, oh, they just
got inside information.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
How does that work? With the information?
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Like David Jones can say, hey, Lebron might not play tonight,
But like you said, a reporter might be able to say, like,
how does that all work?
Speaker 5 (16:11):
In Vegas? Who you know to listen to? Who you
can you can't?
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Well, let me just tell you you're talking to someone
that does a show on the weekends. And I interviewed
the head of trading for our sponsor bet MGM. Now
he knows me, he knows I'm a good size better.
You know, let me be blunt. I have six figures
in my MGM account. I keep it in there just
for betting. He knows that I bet my expects on everything.
And I'll just tell you, listen, inside information. I've always
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told kids. I've always even told the traders that's kind
of bs. I listen. I am in tune with so
many things. I hate when I hear at the end
of a game that was fixed, that was fixed, that
was fixed. However, today does show there is certain guys
with knowledge, and I was probably proved wrong. But I'll
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tell you one thing. I have never ever been told, Hey,
this is inside information, this is gonna. That's not the
way we work on analytics. We work on on information
that is based on our models and and you know
it's not based on inside fixes and information. I don't
kind I still don't kind of. This is an isolated incident, Donnie.
He was an isolated incident. Yes, it does happen, and
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I'm not saying it didn't happen in this situation, by
the way, But to drag all these NBA guys for
playing poker and stuff in the game, I mean, there's
poker games all of the country being played with with
famous celebrities and famous you know, not only athletes, but celebrities.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
People do have cameras and it's a fix, and everybody
at the tables you're you know, like these other that
that's a.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Different poker game.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
That's the issue.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Why I know it is.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
I know it is. And and and if they are
proven guilty that they were bringing people in, uh, you know,
to lose their money to the wise guys and stuff,
they absolutely deserve to be penalized to the every penalty
of the law. I'm not saying that, but I just
I just think it's a little bit overblown a lot.
I think when you whenever you see a bust, let's say,
you see a bust and they put the OG word
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the organized crime, organized crime, they always say, this is
fifty million dollars a week, Well maybe fifty millions was
being that only one or two percent was being held.
They just kind of make things and blow them out
of proportion. But however, I I my platform is responsible gambling.
I don't want kids gambling. I don't want kids seeing it.
Whenever I go to Yankee Stadium or whatever, I see
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left field, center field, right field adds for the big
sports books. And I feel bad for the kids have
to go through that because I went through that. I
was gambling at a young age. I know what it's
like to you know, gamble and get yourself in trouble
at a young age. So I don't want the kids
to go through any of that kind of stuff. And
I preached that constantly on my socials. I just interviewed
a guy that lost three hundred and fifty million dollars.
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I got four million hits on Instagram. You know, he
lost three hundred and fifty million dollars. He flew in
town last week, didn't interview with me. Show people what gambling?
Does you want a dollar today? Not a dollar Terry Watson? Yeah,
you don't have a dollar today?
Speaker 4 (19:07):
That is crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And the thing we all got to remember, there's legal
gambling and is illegal, you know what I mean, there's
two different ones. And when things are legal and support
done the right way, people have a right to do
what's legal but not illegal. And I always want to
make sure we say that and if you do it.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Right and yeah within the conference with law all right, Hey, Bill,
that we appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
I'll say it again. I've been on a lot of
shows today. You guys are sharper than anybody. You really are.
Great job, guys, and look forward to talking to you
guys again.
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Speaker 1 (19:53):
I think the bigger one was Chauncey Billups today, right,
I mean that was the uh a current NBA coach
who coached the night before's and handcuffs the next morning,
and the allegations are really bad about him, rob g.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah, not just the current NBA coach, because I you know,
some people don't even know he coached the Cheryl Blazers.
They know him as mister big shot NBA champions and
Detroit Feam Chauncys Pillups Pillips. Chauncey Billups easily the biggest
name associated with all of this stuff. And let's get
a quick refresher course on what's being alleged here involving
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Chauncey Billups. Number one, the one that he is listed
in by name, involves an alleged poker scheme where they
were rigging games with shuffle machines, X ray glasses of
mark cards as a way to get millions of dollars
from what people they do.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
We're both shaking our heads, right, I mean.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
It sounds like some Ocean thirteen stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Sounded like a movie script.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
And if you're on Twitter and you saw what these
X ray marked cars things, you're.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Like, it can't be that easy. Apparently it was.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
So that's the number one, number two, and this is
one that people have inferred and figured out.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
On their own.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
In the Terry rose Year indictment, Billups is not listed
by name, but there is a person described in the
indictment that is a former professional player who played from
ninety seven to two thousand and fourteen.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
What would that be right?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
And that he is a current NBA coach, that he
is currently residing in Oregon, and uh, you know, we'll
see who that is at a later.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Exactly what is uh Jeopardy mustpost say? Who is Shauzi Billips?
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Exactly?
Speaker 5 (21:39):
And y'all the clues.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
In that portion of the Terry Roseier allegations, it mentions
a person in Oregon who was relaying information to betters
that his team was tanking that X, Y, and Z
players would not be playing later this week, so if
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you wanted to bet against us, now would be the
time to do it. This was all, of course, before
then your reports from a public so this was insider information.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Unbelievable, unbelievable, and I gotta say this, Yeah, that is
just damaging, all of it, and even the bilking of
people with the phony poker games and rigged and all that.
If all of this is true, I don't know how
you come back from this from the standpoint of being
involved in basketball, the way people feel about you despite
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what you did on the field, you know what I mean.
And he earned all of that. He was a hell
of a player. I covered all that with the pistols.
He was tremendous. I mean, the MVP of the finals.
They beat Shaq and Kobe and for future Hall of
famers call him alone, Gary Payton.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I mean all of that. And in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Four, this past a lot, right, this past year, right, yeah,
he was inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, Massachusetts. Kelvin,
I don't know how you could do anything. And obviously
we say if convicted, So let's leave that there. These
are all allegations. No one's saying he's guilty and should
(23:20):
be thrown under the jail any of that.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
But he would have.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
To come out of the Hall of Fame if these
allegations are proved or he's convicted of these allegations. I
don't know if any other way how he could be
involved or how you could honor him in this situation.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
That pays me to say.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
You mentioned that two thousand and three when he got there,
was it two that ten year runner, give or take
he had. I was there, like you said, I used
to work at WDFN, the sports station there.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
I was a you know, just getting in my.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Career and I was there any games.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Yeah, I'm going in the game setting up the you know,
the booth for our radio got the Rod Parker and
Kelvin Washington in the future. You know, I can just
sit there and learn and watch. And I got to
be around the game and the team and dude, that
that run meant so much to me and he became
one of my all time favorite players, as you mentioned,
because he was great, he made all the big shots.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
That team was so.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Fun and me name was real because he made a big.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Shot, without a doubt, and he meant so much to
the city and that team. You were there, so it
paid me when I saw that this morning anchoring the
news my phone and it sees his face, of all
the faces, just didn't feel like that would be the
face you would see.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
He could No, I'll be honest, you were there.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
There's nothing.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
You didn't hear anything about chouns except good dude, this that,
and again this is all alleged. We don't know, we
hope not, but as things are right now, to answer,
to go back to the point of the conversation, you
absolutely have to take somebody out the Hall of Fame.
And because if this were just rigged poker games, as
bad as that is, that's separate from the NBA. That
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is why we have federal investigators, criminal investigators, state you know, investigators,
all these different type of investigators and police officers who
can handle that. That is separate from the NBA, especially
considered you know, he's no longer a player, obviously he's
a coach.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
But you could say that's nothing to do with us.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Because people get pulled over, people have other domestic violence,
people have substance abuse that people have personal live issues.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
I agree to a certain extent.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I don't think you could look at him the same
way of cheating people out of money, knowing that the
games were rigged.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
And I know what I'm saying is, I know, I.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Don't think that's pull you out to pull you out
that could have been kept you from getting in.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
I'm not gonna use that as pull you out. I'm
pulling you out.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I don't know what I feel good about Chauncey Billups
at all if I know that he was a part
of the mob and the mafia and they had rig
games to build people out of money.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I'm just being I'm not.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
No, no, I get your morale. I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
What I'm saying is the NBA I have to go, like,
where do I draw the line? That's nothing to do
with me, meaning the entity of the NBA.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
But according to that all right, So uh no, I
don't want to get into hypotheticals, but somebody could do.
But there's something heinous and because it wasn't done during
because of basketball, you still would be okay with it.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
He should stay.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
What I'm saying is because if he presents a challenge
to where I draw the line like someone who's in
the Hall of Fame. Right now, I, like you said,
I don only want to use a name player ex
is in the Hall of Fame. Come to find out
he beat his wife pretty bad, and have come to
find out does it regularly?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Do you go and then now pull him out?
Speaker 6 (26:51):
You get what I mean that it becomes a slippery
slope when someone does something criminal and where do you
pull The reason why I would pull I would pull
him out is because this had something to do with
the NBA. If this what is alleged actually happened, because
you are telling guys, hey, I ain't playing him to night. Hey,
we're taking no. Hey, you might want to put some
money on us. We're gonna look bad tonight. Now, that
(27:11):
directly affects the integrity of the game, the trust of
the gang, just as directing my business and our fans
that I'm pulling you out.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
But there's also but also in contracts as a professional athlete,
there are moral clauses in there that have nothing to
do with basketball, moral clauses on how That's why I
fire you, on how you on how you hand represent yourself.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Yes, and I will fire you for that. Rob, I'm
with you.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
I will say in your contract states this you did X,
you're fired again. Pulling you out of the Hall of
Fame becomes a very slippery slope.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
If it becomes to me, it's it's not slippery slope
if you're convicted of this and you look at where
the because it's a big scope and I get it.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
You know there's there's two different charges.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Here, right Because saying that you would be cool with
Chauncey if he just built people out of millions of
dollars with the mafia, you're saying you're cool with that.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Interestate not me.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I'm saying no, No, I'm asking you you're.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Not absolutely not cool, But I'm no, I think he should.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
But you're saying you wouldn't take him out of the
Hall of Fame if it was just that charge, is.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Correct, Kelvin.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
If I'm Commissioner Washington, I disagree.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
Because what I'm saying, I would be disappointed. I wouldn't
book him for events blah blah blah blah blah. But
it becomes a slippery slope.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
Rob.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
This person beat his wife, this person was selling dope,
this person frauded people out of money, because he was
with Enron, you know what I mean. He was with
Nron and he frauded people. People somebody killed themselves because
they lost all their savings. And like, where do I
draw the line when it becomes things that are away
from the game because of people.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Draw the line as the behavior where you do not
hold yourself to a certain standard.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
So you're gonna go, well, I'm not mad at you.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I hear that I would pull people out if they're convicted,
like like they couldn't pull O. J. Simpton because he
was acquitted. Whether you agree or not, he was acquitted, Okay, said.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
He was found guilty of the civils. You get what
I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
So it becomes But that's why I'm saying, I wouldn't
want to have to become the judge, jury, and the
executioner on every criminal thing that someone's convicted, because I
have thousands of people in my Hall of Fame, which
you picked the league, and every year someone du y
car crash killed somebody that this person I just.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Don't know that.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I mean, you say that, but I don't know if
it's that many people that you're making the case that
they have all these other skeletons and they're still in fame.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
I'm just saying I would have.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
To you would have to give me some examples, because
I'm not saying that there's nobody and I'm not I'm
talking about like there their uh just got into the
Hall of Fame or whatever. They're in the Hall of fame,
they're alive, and they do something where they get arrested.
As as an NBA coach, you're you're you just coached
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the game the night.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Before, you get you get you get arrested.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Yeah, Lawrence Taylor, you and I both agree.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
You could make a case he's the greatest football not
just defensively period. Brother had a while pass ain't nobody,
ain't no secrets. Something comes up? Now he back out
on the street, Michael Irvin wild pass. Things happen? Do
I pull him out because of the White House? You
remember the White House is something you know he done
(30:37):
went back to the White House?
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Rob Well.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
You know again this is all hypothetical, just using example
to rob Do I then pull them out? You get
what I'm saying?
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Like it it becomes difficult.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I think you have to look at the offense. What's happened?
Uh if you're convicted of a crime, if you're sent
to prison, I think you have every right.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
If it's he said and she said, and.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
It's resolved and there's no criminal, you know, time or whatever, Kelvin,
then you have a better argument. You mean to tell
me in handcuffs that Chauncey billups coach one night and
the next night he was in handcuffs, and now he
gets convicted. We're just talking about hypothetical, right, And you
still think that him being in the Hall of Fame
is cool. I don't know if that's cool anymore.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
I'm not cool and I'm not happy.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
But I don't want to just start a slippery slope
where again I'm now becoming judging every single thing.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I'd rather that's.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
What That's what you do is when you put people
in the Hall of Fame, you judge.
Speaker 6 (31:35):
But I've already put them in. You judge them so
but right, but now Rob, I judge you to get in.
Now I'm judging you. You got in at twenty five,
thirty five forty five. Now I'm judging for the next
thirty five, forty five fifty you.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Know, yeah, the whole life.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Yes, yes you are, Yes, you are yes.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Because if somebody somebody did with somebody did a Hainus
crime Kelvin, you wouldn't have this argument. You will and
I could give you a horrible example and you wouldn't
have this feeling. You wouldn't be like, oh, well, well
we put him in and I know he just did
this and he's going to jail for for thirty years
and it was really an awful thing that happened, but
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we already put him in.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
Really really, I'm just I'm because now it's too subjective.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
What's the line you say this? Someone else says that you.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Say this, Well, I say, if you got a duy
and you hit somebody, that should be it becomes too subjective.
What is the line that you would then draw? He
beat his wife, Well, I mean, I guess it's not
a big deal. It was only one time. Well, other
people like, oh that's domestic, but it you get what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
This man killed dogs.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
No, well it's just dogs that weren't even was he
put in jail and conyess it dogs?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
No, I'm talking about it.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
I'm saying. If I'm saying if I was, that it has.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
To be to me of that ILK like a conviction
that would just say that allegation.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
And you can become convicted, and there's a lot of
things that would become slippery slopes if you open that
can of worms to the other side of that. With Chauncey,
if it is alleged that he was, you know, telling
people out the games and don't bet. Put the bet here.
I'm not playing him. We're taking here. Then now I'm
pulling you out.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the best of the Odd.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Couple the Association. Indeed, what a bombshell today, right? This
season has just started, basically a couple games under the belt.
You know, people are ready to buzz about Wimby and
some other players and what's going on, and then all
hell breaks loose.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, to put it in lightly, hell hell broke loose.
It's a lot that happen. I'm gonna try to give
you the cliffs notes version because it is a lot.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
But long story short.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Blazers coach Chauncey Billups, heat guard Terry Roseier, and former
NBA are Damon Jones or a friend of ours show
friend of the show?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Yes, he's been on Kelvin.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
I was going to.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Text him yesterday and I stopped myself and I would
have been real awkward if I had. But any event,
all three of them were arrested and are being charged
for a series of different allegations quickly. Chauncey Billups is
alleged to have been part of a illegal poker scheme
where they were defrauding people over millions of dollars using
(01:28):
X ray glasses and rig shuffle machines, so on and
so forth, in addition to being implicated in a illegal
information sharing scheme with regard to the NBA games, specifically
that he was tipping off betters that players on his
team would not be playing because the team was taking
that's number one Terry Rogier, we already know about it
(01:50):
prop bets. Allegedly that he was telling people know, I'm
not going to play this many minutes this game, so
hit the under on all my bets. That's being alleged
with him. And last but not least, Damon Jones allegedly
not only was he part of the Chauncey Billups poker
scheme to defraud people, he also allegedly was tipping off
betters that Lebron James. Even though he did not work
(02:12):
for the Lakers, he was not an official coach on
the Lakers, he was brought in by Lebron as like
a special assistant, helping before games. He was riding on
the team plane, he was staying in the hotel. He
was tipping off betters that Lebron James, even though he
wasn't listed on the injury report, would not be playing,
so bet against the Lakers in this upcoming game.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Again, this is all fluid.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
These are all allegations for now, but bombshell being dropped
in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
And I'm glad you said that everyone is innocent into
a proven guilty, So we start there.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
No one's saying anybody's guilty. We don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
That's why there's a trial and all kinds of other
stuff that has to go on. Kelvin, did we just
put that up out front?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Okay? But did?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I'm gonna start here, and I'm gonna start here because
I get it. Everyone's gonna say these guys are dumb
and are stupid. Right, Oh, you're stupid. You make millions.
You're an NBA player, Johnson's in the Hall of Fame,
he's an NBA head coach. He made a ton of
money as a player. They were all dumb and all stupid.
(03:13):
I'm gonna lay the blame squarely on your Commissioner, Adam Silver,
the NBA, and all the other leagues following behind.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Okay, this is where I'm gonna put.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
The blame, because they've made it comfortable enough where people
felt like they can do this and they can be
involved in it. Because at one time Kelvin gambling was
a no no. So much so I remember them saying,
(03:46):
they'll never.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Be a team in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Right, They'll never be a team in Las Vegas because
they're not gonna do that. I remember when Major League
Baseball told Mickey Mantle and Willie Made to get lost Rocks.
They were greeters at Atlantic City in front of a casino. Right, fans,
come meet Mickey Manno, these guys are a long time retired.
(04:10):
They were retired baseball players. They weren't even playing. They said,
if you're greeters, we want nothing to do with you.
You can't wear a Major League Baseball uniform, you can't
come to Old Timers Day, nothing to do with the sport.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
We know what Pete Baseball did to Pete Rose.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Right, No Persada, Nongrad, your band for life, all the
other stuff, and now that's all changed, and all the leagues.
I'm not saying all the leagues, we know this. They're
all in bed with the casinos. We've normalized gambling to
the point where people feel comfortable.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
To even do this. We just saw last week.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Did we not talk Kelvin about the colleges, colleges allowing
players to no both bet on on as long as
it's not your game, you can bet on.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
And this is why I think we are will we
are is because there is no fear of God from
the league's. The Terry Roseier thing is as bad a
black guy to the NBA as anything. How the hell
did they clear him? Who's your investigative team? They should
(05:25):
all be fired. Adam Silver should come with his hat
in his hand and apologize that this league basically exonerated
him and allowed him to play and then the FBI
snaps handcuffs on him today.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Seriously, how did that happen? You know how that happened?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Because they wanted it to go away.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Let me add it to go away?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
And go ahead, Kevin, I I can see here all.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Let me add to that. Not only did they want
it to go away. If you recall, do you remember
when it went away? Do you remember what happened that day.
That's the day Malik Beasley's thing came out. So they
didn't want it to have multiple stuff going on at
the same time. So let's kind of scurry and move
on away from one the other one comes out, let's
hurry up and get away from that one. Oh, we're
(06:12):
right in the middle of what. We're right in the
middle of the Steve Bamber Kawhi Leonard Clipper thing. So
the NBA had a lot going on right now. And
you already know the Johntay Porter stuff that happened with
the you know, the the last year.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
So there is a lot when.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
It came to gambling, Tim Donaheed, notwithstanding over the last
ten to fifteen years, and especially now that the NBA
is trying to skate away from. And the challenge with
this is they are in bed with gambling. So they
tell you don't gamble on certain things. But hold on,
let's take a quick break. It's brought to you by DraftKings,
it's brought to you by Price Picks, brought to you
(06:48):
by FanDuel, And so which one is it? Is it
don't gamble? Is it gamble this way? Or if you
are going to gamble only use our sites. So it
is a convoluted, mixed up thing that is getting ugly,
that is creating a normalcy to kids because it's on absence,
looks fun and it looks like something cool to do,
(07:08):
and you don't have to bet big money. You can
bet a few dollars, so that's not a big problem.
I'm only betting a few dollars, and it causes, it
can cause and lead to people becoming becoming problematic. Now,
going back to the NBA specific, I don't fully agree
with you in that I agree that this is horrible.
You and I have talked about it for a whole year.
Now the whole gambling in bed with everybody. Then you're
telling them not to gamble. The only challenge I'll have
(07:30):
with this is to damon Jones taking advantage of information
about Lebron a professional you retired from.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
The game like that.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
That's on you being a part of you know, Gilberderenas
and all that stuff happened with Gilbert. Now you got
with stuff it allegedly happened with Chauncey, like being a
part of mop tied casino games and poker nights. I
should say that's on you like so, I don't want
(08:01):
to absolve the personal responsibility. I do think the convenience,
the normalcy, the ease has become become all of these leagues,
and the league is in a very peculiar situation now
where I.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Think we're gonna get more and more. You and I've
talked about it.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Michael Porter, John Tay Porter's brother talked about it recently
on a podcast. He said, you know how hard it
is for these young dudes to come in, ain't really
making crazy money, knowing so and so got a bum leg,
And you might want to take the under on tonight.
Knowing so and so, you know what's the over today?
I'm taking ten threes. You might want to take the
(08:38):
under tonight. I'm only gonna shoot seven. And if you're
a young dude, that is hard to not do. And
the normalcy in which happens they're allowing it in college,
as we talked about, as long as it's on the pros,
this is just all gonna be missed up, mixed up
and mixed up. Rob and I think we're gonna find
where this becomes an epidemic, where we're gonna look up
ten fifteen years from now and we have an epic
(09:00):
of young people turned adults who have gambling problems that
they never even thought of this becoming an issue for them.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
You have in Cleveland, they have a gambling spot inside
the arena, and it's inside the arena, Yet you're telling
players they can't participate. It's normal for everybody else, right, Yeah,
So once you once you cross that, you can't close
it off. You can't tell them everybody around them can gamble.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
It's it's in your face.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Everything is sponsored by right, and I'm saying that at
some point all money is not good money because you're
messing with the integrity of the game. That's why forever
these leagues never got in bed with Las Vegas. No,
no events, nothing. We're not having anything in Las Vegas.
(09:56):
The players aren't staying in Las Vegas, do you know
what I'm say? And now all that has been now
and now all of that has gone.
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Speaker 5 (10:54):
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Speaker 7 (10:56):
Hey, how you guys doing?
Speaker 5 (10:57):
All right?
Speaker 7 (10:58):
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called the Vets With it be old school Chicago style steakhouse.
It's like walking into the twenties, that's all I can
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Speaker 1 (11:14):
All Right, well, you know I love the steaks, so
definitely that's somewhere from me, Bill, no doubt about that.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
On the list. I'll be in Vegas a couple of
weeks but.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Bill, I mean the shockwaves through Vegas today.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I mean, come on, like seriously, the fbis involved, current
players are in handcuffs.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
What was your take when you just heard the news?
Speaker 7 (11:33):
You know, I heard earlier this morning and I go
on to show downtown at Circa in the morning. I
heard about it right away, and I just was kind
of shocked, But I wasn't shocked. I'm shocked by the
stupidity of players that make millions of dollars a year
that would actually risk themselves for such small amounts of money.
(11:54):
But I'm not shocked at Like, you know, there was
a recent Major League Baseball pitcher that had it. H
that's right, or he was you know, first pitch. I mean,
of course, that's really unethical, and that's terrible that he
did something like that. But he's making eight hundred thousand
a year. You're talking about guy making twenty five million
a year, twenty four and a half million a year.
(12:16):
I just can't believe he would do something so stupid
like that. I really can't. And to see it happen,
it's such a sore spot and such a black high
on the industry. It was definitely done purposely because the
basketball season was starting too. I think that's that's that's
a that's a that's a no brainer.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
But do you get more attention if you do it
in the offseason and then I get it and you're
trying to, you know, put the hammer down on this
situation and get people's attention, and they got people's attention.
I do want to ask you and Kevin, I'm sorry,
let me just follow up.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Go ahead, just the idea.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Bill, Kelvin and I have said this on the show,
like the prop bets have to stop, because those are
the ones to me that are very easy and very
I might not bet on it, but I could call
friends and family and be like, yo, if my over
under tonight is seven three pointers, trust me, I will
not have seven three pointers tonight. And you guys can
(13:16):
load up and I'm not have to lend you any money.
I don't have to give you any money, but I'm
I'm I can help you well.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
To be real blunt, though I bet NBA, NFL and
even baseball props every day, it's not an efficient market
like an NBA or NFL side is. I know. I
can actually just follow the socials, follow the beat reporters
and I can get a better grasp on an NBA player,
how they're doing on the sidelines, how they're warming up situationally.
(13:44):
Let me just tell you, even me with all my connections,
I'm just going to be real blunts. I can get
down maybe I don't know, three, maybe four thousand dollars.
The sportsbooks don't take any big bets on it. I
can walk right to the counter right here where I'm at,
and they're going to take five hundred dollars on an
NBA prop bet. However, if I want to bet on
the Lakers, how much money you got in your bags?
(14:05):
You got two hundred thousand, will take it. So I
really don't know about what they're saying, Like, I don't
know how much.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Well, somebody that bet twenty thousand dollars, they said it
was a twenty thousand dollars that was bet on it
because you could spread it out amongst other you know
what I mean, not make it that obvious.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
To believe it.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
That's what they That's what that's what they said. It
was over TI.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Every single day, every single day, Bill Krackenberger is betting
NBA and NFL prop store in their respective seasons. I'll
tell you right now, I have a good I have
a good amount of places here in Vegas that take
my bets. And I just know what they take a
maximum bet in these casinos here, and.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Now what is it?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
What is the maximum?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So you can't if if it went when you had
two thousand dollars, they wouldn't take it.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
No, No, no one's taking two thousand. Westgate and Circles
the biggest too in town here. They're taking a thousand each.
And that's always been the case. It's not like they
now they're only taking a thousand because of the story.
That's what they've been taking always now, so why even
have it?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
It's if it's not that big of a money, why
have inhabit? Then if you're telling me that it's not
a lot of money, better on it. Then you could
eliminate the prop bets bill, can't you?
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (15:08):
They could you have a valid Okay, you know I
did about seven different interviews today. This is why you
guys are geniuses. And I'm not gonna say nothing bad
about anyone else earlier, nobody out of the seven, you're
the first guys that said why not just eliminate prop bets?
I'm not the first guys.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
All right, we've said it.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Yeah, Bill, Robin and I talk about this all the
time because the ease in which and now you have
kids and the access to it, it's almost like a
video game. It's almost fun, right, just oh, I could
throw ten bucks on this. And to me, it's where
it becomes problematic is because it's going it can potentially
spread and because something that's habitual for young people. Let
me ask you though, that I want to go to
the other side of this, the information game. Let's look
(15:52):
at it like politics. You know, it's it's illegal. If
I do it, you do it. But if a politician
does some insight trader, it's just like, oh, they just
got inside information.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
How does that work? With the information?
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Like David Jones can say, hey, Lebron might not play tonight,
But like you said, a reporter might be able to say, like,
how does that all work?
Speaker 5 (16:11):
In Vegas? Who you know to listen to? Who you
can you can't?
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Well, let me just tell you you're talking to someone
that does a show on the weekends. And I interviewed
the head of trading for our sponsor bet MGM. Now
he knows me, he knows I'm a good size better.
You know, let me be blunt. I have six figures
in my MGM account. I keep it in there just
for betting. He knows that I bet my expects on everything.
And I'll just tell you, listen, inside information. I've always
(16:38):
told kids. I've always even told the traders that's kind
of bs. I listen. I am in tune with so
many things. I hate when I hear at the end
of a game that was fixed, that was fixed, that
was fixed. However, today does show there is certain guys
with knowledge, and I was probably proved wrong. But I'll
(17:00):
tell you one thing. I have never ever been told, Hey,
this is inside information, this is gonna. That's not the
way we work on analytics. We work on on information
that is based on our models and and you know
it's not based on inside fixes and information. I don't
kind I still don't kind of. This is an isolated incident, Donnie.
He was an isolated incident. Yes, it does happen, and
(17:23):
I'm not saying it didn't happen in this situation, by
the way, But to drag all these NBA guys for
playing poker and stuff in the game, I mean, there's
poker games all of the country being played with with
famous celebrities and famous you know, not only athletes, but celebrities.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
People do have cameras and it's a fix, and everybody
at the tables you're you know, like these other that
that's a.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Different poker game.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
That's the issue.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Why I know it is.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
I know it is. And and and if they are
proven guilty that they were bringing people in, uh, you know,
to lose their money to the wise guys and stuff,
they absolutely deserve to be penalized to the every penalty
of the law. I'm not saying that, but I just
I just think it's a little bit overblown a lot.
I think when you whenever you see a bust, let's say,
you see a bust and they put the OG word
(18:10):
the organized crime, organized crime, they always say, this is
fifty million dollars a week, Well maybe fifty millions was
being that only one or two percent was being held.
They just kind of make things and blow them out
of proportion. But however, I I my platform is responsible gambling.
I don't want kids gambling. I don't want kids seeing it.
Whenever I go to Yankee Stadium or whatever, I see
(18:31):
left field, center field, right field adds for the big
sports books. And I feel bad for the kids have
to go through that because I went through that. I
was gambling at a young age. I know what it's
like to you know, gamble and get yourself in trouble
at a young age. So I don't want the kids
to go through any of that kind of stuff. And
I preached that constantly on my socials. I just interviewed
a guy that lost three hundred and fifty million dollars.
(18:52):
I got four million hits on Instagram. You know, he
lost three hundred and fifty million dollars. He flew in
town last week, didn't interview with me. Show people what gambling?
Does you want a dollar today? Not a dollar Terry Watson? Yeah,
you don't have a dollar today?
Speaker 4 (19:07):
That is crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And the thing we all got to remember, there's legal
gambling and is illegal, you know what I mean, there's
two different ones. And when things are legal and support
done the right way, people have a right to do
what's legal but not illegal. And I always want to
make sure we say that and if you do it.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Right and yeah within the conference with law all right, Hey, Bill,
that we appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
I'll say it again. I've been on a lot of
shows today. You guys are sharper than anybody. You really are.
Great job, guys, and look forward to talking to you
guys again.
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Speaker 1 (19:53):
I think the bigger one was Chauncey Billups today, right,
I mean that was the uh a current NBA coach
who coached the night before's and handcuffs the next morning,
and the allegations are really bad about him, rob g.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah, not just the current NBA coach, because I you know,
some people don't even know he coached the Cheryl Blazers.
They know him as mister big shot NBA champions and
Detroit Feam Chauncys Pillups Pillips. Chauncey Billups easily the biggest
name associated with all of this stuff. And let's get
a quick refresher course on what's being alleged here involving
(20:28):
Chauncey Billups. Number one, the one that he is listed
in by name, involves an alleged poker scheme where they
were rigging games with shuffle machines, X ray glasses of
mark cards as a way to get millions of dollars
from what people they do.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
We're both shaking our heads, right, I mean.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
It sounds like some Ocean thirteen stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Sounded like a movie script.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
And if you're on Twitter and you saw what these
X ray marked cars things, you're.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Like, it can't be that easy. Apparently it was.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
So that's the number one, number two, and this is
one that people have inferred and figured out.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
On their own.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
In the Terry rose Year indictment, Billups is not listed
by name, but there is a person described in the
indictment that is a former professional player who played from
ninety seven to two thousand and fourteen.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
What would that be right?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
And that he is a current NBA coach, that he
is currently residing in Oregon, and uh, you know, we'll
see who that is at a later.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Exactly what is uh Jeopardy mustpost say? Who is Shauzi Billips?
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Exactly?
Speaker 5 (21:39):
And y'all the clues.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
In that portion of the Terry Roseier allegations, it mentions
a person in Oregon who was relaying information to betters
that his team was tanking that X, Y, and Z
players would not be playing later this week, so if
(22:01):
you wanted to bet against us, now would be the
time to do it. This was all, of course, before
then your reports from a public so this was insider information.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Unbelievable, unbelievable, and I gotta say this, Yeah, that is
just damaging, all of it, and even the bilking of
people with the phony poker games and rigged and all that.
If all of this is true, I don't know how
you come back from this from the standpoint of being
involved in basketball, the way people feel about you despite
(22:37):
what you did on the field, you know what I mean.
And he earned all of that. He was a hell
of a player. I covered all that with the pistols.
He was tremendous. I mean, the MVP of the finals.
They beat Shaq and Kobe and for future Hall of
famers call him alone, Gary Payton.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I mean all of that. And in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Four, this past a lot, right, this past year, right, yeah,
he was inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, Massachusetts. Kelvin,
I don't know how you could do anything. And obviously
we say if convicted, So let's leave that there. These
are all allegations. No one's saying he's guilty and should
(23:20):
be thrown under the jail any of that.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
But he would have.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
To come out of the Hall of Fame if these
allegations are proved or he's convicted of these allegations. I
don't know if any other way how he could be
involved or how you could honor him in this situation.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
That pays me to say.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
You mentioned that two thousand and three when he got there,
was it two that ten year runner, give or take
he had. I was there, like you said, I used
to work at WDFN, the sports station there.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
I was a you know, just getting in my.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Career and I was there any games.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Yeah, I'm going in the game setting up the you know,
the booth for our radio got the Rod Parker and
Kelvin Washington in the future. You know, I can just
sit there and learn and watch. And I got to
be around the game and the team and dude, that
that run meant so much to me and he became
one of my all time favorite players, as you mentioned,
because he was great, he made all the big shots.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
That team was so.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Fun and me name was real because he made a big.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Shot, without a doubt, and he meant so much to
the city and that team. You were there, so it
paid me when I saw that this morning anchoring the
news my phone and it sees his face, of all
the faces, just didn't feel like that would be the
face you would see.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
He could No, I'll be honest, you were there.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
There's nothing.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
You didn't hear anything about chouns except good dude, this that,
and again this is all alleged. We don't know, we
hope not, but as things are right now, to answer,
to go back to the point of the conversation, you
absolutely have to take somebody out the Hall of Fame.
And because if this were just rigged poker games, as
bad as that is, that's separate from the NBA. That
(25:07):
is why we have federal investigators, criminal investigators, state you know, investigators,
all these different type of investigators and police officers who
can handle that. That is separate from the NBA, especially
considered you know, he's no longer a player, obviously he's
a coach.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
But you could say that's nothing to do with us.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Because people get pulled over, people have other domestic violence,
people have substance abuse that people have personal live issues.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
I agree to a certain extent.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I don't think you could look at him the same
way of cheating people out of money, knowing that the
games were rigged.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
And I know what I'm saying is, I know, I.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Don't think that's pull you out to pull you out
that could have been kept you from getting in.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
I'm not gonna use that as pull you out. I'm
pulling you out.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I don't know what I feel good about Chauncey Billups
at all if I know that he was a part
of the mob and the mafia and they had rig
games to build people out of money.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I'm just being I'm not.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
No, no, I get your morale. I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
What I'm saying is the NBA I have to go, like,
where do I draw the line? That's nothing to do
with me, meaning the entity of the NBA.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
But according to that all right, So uh no, I
don't want to get into hypotheticals, but somebody could do.
But there's something heinous and because it wasn't done during
because of basketball, you still would be okay with it.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
He should stay.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
What I'm saying is because if he presents a challenge
to where I draw the line like someone who's in
the Hall of Fame. Right now, I, like you said,
I don only want to use a name player ex
is in the Hall of Fame. Come to find out
he beat his wife pretty bad, and have come to
find out does it regularly?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Do you go and then now pull him out?
Speaker 6 (26:51):
You get what I mean that it becomes a slippery
slope when someone does something criminal and where do you
pull The reason why I would pull I would pull
him out is because this had something to do with
the NBA. If this what is alleged actually happened, because
you are telling guys, hey, I ain't playing him to night. Hey,
we're taking no. Hey, you might want to put some
money on us. We're gonna look bad tonight. Now, that
(27:11):
directly affects the integrity of the game, the trust of
the gang, just as directing my business and our fans
that I'm pulling you out.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
But there's also but also in contracts as a professional athlete,
there are moral clauses in there that have nothing to
do with basketball, moral clauses on how That's why I
fire you, on how you on how you hand represent yourself.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Yes, and I will fire you for that. Rob, I'm
with you.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
I will say in your contract states this you did X,
you're fired again. Pulling you out of the Hall of
Fame becomes a very slippery slope.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
If it becomes to me, it's it's not slippery slope
if you're convicted of this and you look at where
the because it's a big scope and I get it.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
You know there's there's two different charges.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Here, right Because saying that you would be cool with
Chauncey if he just built people out of millions of
dollars with the mafia, you're saying you're cool with that.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Interestate not me.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I'm saying no, No, I'm asking you you're.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Not absolutely not cool, But I'm no, I think he should.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
But you're saying you wouldn't take him out of the
Hall of Fame if it was just that charge, is.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Correct, Kelvin.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
If I'm Commissioner Washington, I disagree.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
Because what I'm saying, I would be disappointed. I wouldn't
book him for events blah blah blah blah blah. But
it becomes a slippery slope.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
Rob.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
This person beat his wife, this person was selling dope,
this person frauded people out of money, because he was
with Enron, you know what I mean. He was with
Nron and he frauded people. People somebody killed themselves because
they lost all their savings. And like, where do I
draw the line when it becomes things that are away
from the game because of people.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Draw the line as the behavior where you do not
hold yourself to a certain standard.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
So you're gonna go, well, I'm not mad at you.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I hear that I would pull people out if they're convicted,
like like they couldn't pull O. J. Simpton because he
was acquitted. Whether you agree or not, he was acquitted, Okay, said.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
He was found guilty of the civils. You get what
I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
So it becomes But that's why I'm saying, I wouldn't
want to have to become the judge, jury, and the
executioner on every criminal thing that someone's convicted, because I
have thousands of people in my Hall of Fame, which
you picked the league, and every year someone du y
car crash killed somebody that this person I just.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Don't know that.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I mean, you say that, but I don't know if
it's that many people that you're making the case that
they have all these other skeletons and they're still in fame.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
I'm just saying I would have.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
To you would have to give me some examples, because
I'm not saying that there's nobody and I'm not I'm
talking about like there their uh just got into the
Hall of Fame or whatever. They're in the Hall of fame,
they're alive, and they do something where they get arrested.
As as an NBA coach, you're you're you just coached
(30:08):
the game the night.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Before, you get you get you get arrested.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Yeah, Lawrence Taylor, you and I both agree.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
You could make a case he's the greatest football not
just defensively period. Brother had a while pass ain't nobody,
ain't no secrets. Something comes up? Now he back out
on the street, Michael Irvin wild pass. Things happen? Do
I pull him out because of the White House? You
remember the White House is something you know he done
(30:37):
went back to the White House?
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Rob Well.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
You know again this is all hypothetical, just using example
to rob Do I then pull them out? You get
what I'm saying?
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Like it it becomes difficult.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I think you have to look at the offense. What's happened?
Uh if you're convicted of a crime, if you're sent
to prison, I think you have every right.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
If it's he said and she said, and.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
It's resolved and there's no criminal, you know, time or whatever, Kelvin,
then you have a better argument. You mean to tell
me in handcuffs that Chauncey billups coach one night and
the next night he was in handcuffs, and now he
gets convicted. We're just talking about hypothetical, right, And you
still think that him being in the Hall of Fame
is cool. I don't know if that's cool anymore.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
I'm not cool and I'm not happy.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
But I don't want to just start a slippery slope
where again I'm now becoming judging every single thing.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I'd rather that's.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
What That's what you do is when you put people
in the Hall of Fame, you judge.
Speaker 6 (31:35):
But I've already put them in. You judge them so
but right, but now Rob, I judge you to get in.
Now I'm judging you. You got in at twenty five,
thirty five forty five. Now I'm judging for the next
thirty five, forty five fifty you.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Know, yeah, the whole life.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Yes, yes you are, Yes, you are yes.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Because if somebody somebody did with somebody did a Hainus
crime Kelvin, you wouldn't have this argument. You will and
I could give you a horrible example and you wouldn't
have this feeling. You wouldn't be like, oh, well, well
we put him in and I know he just did
this and he's going to jail for for thirty years
and it was really an awful thing that happened, but
(32:15):
we already put him in.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
Really really, I'm just I'm because now it's too subjective.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
What's the line you say this? Someone else says that you.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Say this, Well, I say, if you got a duy
and you hit somebody, that should be it becomes too subjective.
What is the line that you would then draw? He
beat his wife, Well, I mean, I guess it's not
a big deal. It was only one time. Well, other
people like, oh that's domestic, but it you get what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
This man killed dogs.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
No, well it's just dogs that weren't even was he
put in jail and conyess it dogs?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
No, I'm talking about it.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
I'm saying. If I'm saying if I was, that it has.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
To be to me of that ILK like a conviction
that would just say that allegation.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
And you can become convicted, and there's a lot of
things that would become slippery slopes if you open that
can of worms to the other side of that. With Chauncey,
if it is alleged that he was, you know, telling
people out the games and don't bet. Put the bet here.
I'm not playing him. We're taking here. Then now I'm
pulling you out.
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