November 6, 2025 • 32 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us if there’s any player in the NBA they’d rather build around that Victor Wembanyama, explain why the Las Vegas Raiders need to get rid of head coach Pete Carroll and quarterback Geno Smith after the season, and tell us if Kyler Murray should consider going to play professional baseball if the Arizona Cardinals decide to sever ties with him this offseason.
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Victor Rembinyamas struggled on a celebrity box and matches.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
That's what I can.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Straight game knockers, blockall. He only shot five or fourteen
from the field. He had five turnovers. Now here's the
big thing you mentioned. He's had two straight games now.
He's been struggling a little bit. First five games of
the season, wenby average thirty fifteen and five blocks a game.
He was awesome. They were five and zero. They've lost
their last two. In these last two games, fourteen points
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on fourteen field goal attemps.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Per game, which is not great.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
That's terrible for a guy nine foot tall, five assists
and eleven turnovers over these last two. He's got more
turnover Baker and yet Kelvin Washington is not deterreed anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
No, and it pays me to say this because anybody
knows just as far as basketball preference over the last
six seven years, my guy was Luca and it still is.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Luca's incredible. He was incredible. What is he or isn't he?
You said he still lives?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
What does that?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
He's still? I don't know what.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Guy?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
No.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
One guy Luca? Luca is that guy still? The dude's
averaging like forty something the game. But when you start
to look at this and if I'm projecting about you
know who, If I'm the Washington franchise and I want
a guy for the next eight ten years, whatever you
want to say, who am I moving forward with? If
there's anybody in the NBA, who would I want? And
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even despite these last couple of games, despite how he
looked last night against the Lakers, they filed him out,
struggled with the double team. He even talked about that
team that are kind of finding a way to get
after him a little bit, get up underneath him being
eight foot eight. It's still winby and I and I
had to think about why because Luca not a great
game as far as percentage. You nine for twenty seven,
but thirty five triple double you should get you should
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get seven twenty shots. He had a bad night shooting
efficiency wise. He missed some handful of free throws. Even
asked him at the game, you know, he says, free throws.
I missed some free throws and it ended up being
way longer one minute at the end because the Lakers
just didn't want to win. But the thing for me,
the thing that is a separator with Winby rob For me,
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the difference is number one. I ain't got to motivate
Wenby and this is just beyond, even beyond Luca. I
don't have to motivate Wenby to want to be the best.
I don't have to motivate Wemby to want to play defense.
I don't have to motivate Weinby to take an off
season seriously.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
And I like that. I also like this about Winby.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
The thing about Luca that makes him great is also
the thing that can be his kryptonite, and it reminds
me of Luca. Between Lebron and Alan Iverson where they
are the centerpiece. They are the gravity of the world.
They are the cis everything orbits around them. There's no
other system. We don't run this, we don't run that
this is how we do it. This is the way,
our flow, our schematics. It is you do you and
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we hope we win. And it got Allan and Iverson
to a finals, but didn't do much more after that.
It's been working for Lebron for the most part, got
four rings, but there were times you wish he would
work it around six years Daniel, right there you go,
And I wonder if Luca the hybrid of Lebron and
Iverson in that point of he is a system and
will that work for championships.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
What I like about Winby.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Is that Wemby will be able to be the guy
that dropped thirty forty to night twenty boards, whatever, or
he can have his team win and still be successful
if he has eighteen points, twenty five rebounds, ten blocks.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
He doesn't have to singularly score.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And it reminds me of another big that they had
on that team and Tim Duncan, where Tim Duncan could
be the focal point scoring, put him down on the block,
give you thirty and twenty, or Tim duncan be the
best one of four fifteen points, twenty boards, ten blocks,
five assists and just make key plays and Wemby reminds
me of a better, at least evolved version of that,
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and I think for me moving forward, I want to
be able to have that a guy that can be
a defensive player of the year, a guy that essentially
could be a top five score in this league as well,
and also be a guy that a team wants to
play for and that'll be motivated to play night in,
night out season season, And Wenby to me, when I
watch the league right now, there's a handful of amazing
players that if you said this player, I'm not mad at,
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But for me, it's Wemby. I think that's a differentiator
is that he has a chance to be the best
in a multitude of ways, where specifically, if I go
up against with Luca, if he's not scoring thirty five
to forty, he's not gonna be the most effective.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
And that's the separator for me.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Yeah, I just think your analysis is premature. And sure
you can look into your crystal ball and you look
at what you see we do. Okay, I'm just saying,
but the idea what we do, there's a lot of
things and factors there, especially injury wise, He's already had
the blood clots. He's a big guy, tall guy with
the foot and ankle issues that those guys.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I'm not telling you, I'm not wishing.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
I'm just giving you, like what's built from the guys
who are that size.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
And he's uh thin as a rail. We know he
what is he? A monk? He was a monk this
summer or whatever.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
So I know that was a bad TV show, but
I think he was actually a monk and had the monkeys.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Now the monk. It was monk, like oh the month
the OCD dude, Yeah, yeah, monk or something like that. Uh,
but I don't know.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
I mean, there was one stretch when everybody was saying
he was the greatest player ever, and then the all
I remember the Spurs losing eighteen games in a row,
and I thought to myself, how could you be a
generational talent?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Seriously and ever in the history of your life?
Speaker 6 (05:54):
High school pee wee basketball, Like, there's no way you
should lose eighteen in a and that bothered me and
even in this case here and I'm just a couple
of bad games. But at some point they'll figure out
what they need to do to neutralize them. And I'm
not saying they're going to stop him or he won't
be able to score, and he's gonna score fourteen points
every night. But if you think that he's just gonna
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run the roost and have the next twenty years and
put up all the points and block every shot and
nobody else is gonna come around because he's gonna have
to win two.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
So that's gonna be interesting to me. I'm not dealing
with a luker thing.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
I just think the rush to want to crown Wemby
before they've even made the playoffs yet, or because the
craziest thing was their team actually got worse his first
year when he got there after they which made no sense.
They actually won less games and had the eighteen game
losing streak with Wimby. Do I think he's a.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Talent, absolutely? Do I think he could be great? Absolutely?
Speaker 6 (06:56):
Do I think he's gonna be the all time greatest
player ever played and win the mostchampionship.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I do not believe that.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
I don't because it takes more than that, and somebody
will figure out how to neutralize him and slow him
down and make him for it like they did, force
the ball to somebody else, make him give up the
basketball like He's not gonna just take it out there
on stilts and there are two guys running at him
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and he's just gonna try to go through them. That's
not gonna happen, and that they're going to look at
this film and what they've been able to do and
figure out a plan, and then he'll have to adjust
there and be better. Do I like Luca? I mean,
do I like Wemby? You know, I like let Wemby.
I love Wemby right because everyone knows that it's Wemby.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Everyone knows it's Whimy.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So then why wasn't Winby to answer, you know, looking
at it from a standpoint of is there anyone? Because
I know everything you said, I hear you. I disagree
with a couple of points. One I think that's for me.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Why I would be and I'd imagine so many other
gms or something will be so excited about him is
if he is not scoring to night, he can still
be the best player on the floor. The man is
out here passing dropping dimes. He can block shots. He
changes a million shots, even the ones he can't block.
I mean from the elbow down here. Why they lost
eighteen in to row with him on the court.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, but he's on I'm saying. I'm just saying because
of what you I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
He was figuring out a first time in America, playing
in a ball in the NBA. Now he's only twenty
one years old, and to me, that's the scary part
is his desire to get better, is hunger to get better.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
He won.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
We talked about guys prodigy's age don't matter. So whenever
I hear that, I'm not buying into it because he's
twenty one in the NBA year role who could go
and playing Carnegie Hall. Nobody goes, well, she's only thirteen. No,
she's a prodigy. And Wemby's a prodigy. And that's why
he's playing in the Carnegie Hall, which is the NBA.
And now he's at it this year. He's playing spectacularly
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and so to me, he has to night not to night.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, anybody has shot, even Luca and the wind wasn't great. Look,
you know, didn't didn't have a great night. That happens.
But to me, again, his ability to just win in
a multitude of ways to be I'm gonna be the
best defensive player to here and I have an MVP
candidate possibly in the future. For him, he's just that's suitantalizing.
And uh, I just don't see anybody else in the
league like that like that. There are dogs, they're a beast,
(09:16):
but not like that. And I am in the crystal
ball a little bit, you know, Like you said, ant Man, right,
I think he said he was the guy, right, He's
not the guy the league anymore.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
No, we were talking about the potential as far as
star power and had that hill still left there?
Speaker 6 (09:31):
He still holding is as bright as it was because
at one point everybody was crowning him.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
He's still up there.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
He's still because he of all the other guys, he's
got that thing about him.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
He's got that. In fact.
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Speaker 6 (10:27):
Your Las Vegas Raiders are playing on Monday. On Thursday
night football. Don't look so excited.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Yay.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Shout out to Lebron James sucks.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
You're You're out on the football season tomorrow, right? Have
you tuned out?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I wouldn't say I've tuned out, but but I'm definitely
not locked in the way that I already Now every
Sunday I'm watching watching multiple games at once. I got
the big TV, I got the laptop, I got the tablet,
I got the cell phone.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
And what about the kids if they want to watch cartoons.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Or got tablets too?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
You figured it out, but you can figure it out.
When I started week one and we beat the Patriots
in Week one, Drake May everybody's MVP. I had out
of the big TV, right, and I worked down from there. Well,
the last three or four weeks, they're on the phone
on the multi screen.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Blue gets more President.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, like if it's a it's a two games going
or four games going. I got the Raiders of the
smallest box, and then I got like the Dolphins next.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
To it, like magnifying glass to see them.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
They are really struggling, underwhelming in every possible way. And
just to give you some context, the defense middle of
the road, right, you expect that from Pete Carry you
be good, but they've been average right like fifteen to
sixty and every major category offensively where has been the
big problem Because you bring in Genos Smith to give
them all that money, you bring in Chip Kelly fresh
(11:47):
out of a championship of Miles State, and your offense
didn't just get worse, it became one of the worst
offenses future in football future. Their total offense is thirtieth,
scoring of offense, twenty ninth, rushing offense twenty ninth, twenty eighth
in turnovers. It's all bad right now in the desert.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
And you know what, if I'm the Raiders Mark Davis,
There's two things I'm doing in the offseason. I'm getting
a haircut, a good one. He ain't doing that, okay,
And I'm getting rid of Pete Carroll. I'm sending him
to a home care facility with some money Thank you
(12:31):
Pete very much, but there's no way I'm going forward.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
This isn't like other aspects of the team.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Okay, and the quarterback just really played poorly this year
and we could see everything, Rob This team is awful,
just awful. I was against this hire think we both
are like, what are you doing? There's no future here?
It doesn't make sense. You're not like, Man, we got
everything in place. We just need a veteran coach who
(13:00):
could guide the locker room, you know what I mean,
and rally the troops know there's so much work that
needs to be done, and I'm just how do you
go forward?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I don't care if they like Pete Carroll?
Speaker 6 (13:13):
And you know what, some people need to start looking
at stats because you look at people Pete Carroll and
I get it.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
They went to back to back Super Bowls. Dude, his
numbers don't add up.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Cause Mike McCarthy, who everybody clowns has a better winning percentage,
won as many Super Bowls as Pete Carroll. Seriously, and
the last time we saw him with a healthy quarterback,
they were winning twelve games a year in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Seriously, Mike is something about him that's not likable and
this is just me, Pierce, because you're the point.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
We've gone through Mike Tomlin and Sean Payton, Sean Paigon
like that, like Sean genius, and they're all the same guy.
They all won one super early on. They had these
great quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Whatever.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Mike McCarthy never went like Sean Payton to me is
last on the list because he went under five hundred
three years in a row with a Hall of Fame
quarterback with the New Orleans Ye right, at least Mike
McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers, they never did that.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
They might not have won, you know, the rings that
you would have hoped, but they didn't go. When he
got to Dallas, they had success a couple of twelve
and five seasons. So yeah, I'm not gonna I'm the
Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I don't know if he just doesn't if he's not
a raw rack guy, if he doesn't rally the troops,
if he doesn't set a culture. But there is something
to Mike McCarthy that I think doesn't ring true to
make people go, that's our guy. But me and you
talked about this, but they were gonna sign peak care
I it just didn't make any sense, Like you're trying
to find your thing and you can move forward and
(14:49):
all of a sudden grow and have some sustainability and
the thing with Gino then you then not only do
you do that, you go back and you go get
Gino Smith.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Now I understand it.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Gino Smith had had a it was successful a season
with Pete Carroll, and so maybe you want to do that,
But Geno Smith could not have been your answer. And
not only that, you didn't get to at least the
same version of Geno Smith. You got the Jets version
of Geno Smith. You know, you went backwards with Geno Smith.
He's regressed, he looks worse, the worst he has as
bad as he's looked in the last three four years.
(15:20):
So not only did you at least say, all right,
at least I'm getting that plateaued even killed version of him,
you've gone backwards. The defense isn't spectacular. And again you
just don't have an identity. And you know I'm big
on that. When I watched the Raiders, I don't know
what they are. I don't know if they're lockdown defensive team.
They run the ball. Don't they air it out? I
know they turn the ball over a lot. I know
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Gino's got a gang of turnovers. I know they let
people run the score upon him at times. So yeah,
it's just disappointing. And again, this has just been a franchise,
rob G. I'm not even being funny, because again I'm
a Lions fan. I can we just now got good
the last handful of years. When is the last time
you guys were good?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Rob G?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
When was the last time the Raiders? Was it that
Super Bowl? I'm not even being funnyd you have a
couple of seasons after that.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
No, they made the playoffs a couple of times, but
their best team was since that Super Bowl was the
year Derek Carr's Lake snapped out. I remember that they
were cruising to a bye bye.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I remember that.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I do remember the top two seed, and then in
the very last game of the season, they're winning comfortably,
Lake snaps in half and the rest is history. Because
I'm like, man, they just said like that. You know,
because even Derek Carr will tell you he was never
the same mentally as a quarterback. He became real skittish.
He never used that letters anymore, but the rest of
(16:40):
your leg.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Snap. I had to say it again.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Just years.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
That's still looking. I mean, shoot, dude, that by the way,
we talked about football. We come in here, we talk
about the game. Whoever got the Broncos Raider?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
We do all this.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Man, it's a brutal sport. Because we didn't even talk
about what happened to Skataboo. Like I happened to be
sitting next to the woman, my wife, and we're, you know,
talking about whatever was going on, and then I'm looking
in the corner and I'm like, am I tripping or
is his ankle dangling? And then they replay because the
first one you couldn't really tell what happened, so they
of course replay it. And she looks at me, and
(17:13):
I had no answers, like, man, football is it's a
brutal sport. My gosh, I want to make.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Your wife look at you would say if we had
a son, he wasn't playing football.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I mean, you and I talk about how many time
they sit it with Fourer NFL players and they say,
love it wouldn't do it again. He changed two boys, right,
he's not playing to play or if they do I
was just explaining this to a friend of mine. If
they do they play flag football as long as possible,
as long as possible, You're not about to be taking
all these hits at six and seven.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Dude. If you ever watched those like Miami.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Documentaries on the Liberty City, Liberty City, those teams in
down down in Miami, Man, the little kids be playing
six seven years old. That's basically all the people in
the NFL, like half of them are from that area.
It is a they are remarkable, but they're taking hits
and everybody's going creak it up. You all right, dust
it off, let's go. I like, that's a seven year old.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
And just just think about the opposite, which for a
long time in Little League, they wouldn't even let you
throw a curveball, you know what I mean. They wouldn't
even let you throw a curveball h in a game
if you're a certain age because they know that they'll
mess up your arm, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
And man, them kids be taking licks and it gets
I have no idea what that was. What is that?
But I think my mic has been doing that today.
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
That was weird, Yeah, but anyway, so back to uh,
I was just bod he's trying to like sabotage this
is that what he's doing. Why you gotta put me
in it. I didn't do anything.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
That's all right. If I'm talking about you, it's a
good thing. Yeah, I just think. But Mike McCarthy is
most of the people over there, I just ignore.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
That is why could you stop bringing a thing that
I don't know if I'm supposed continue and say something
to move.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
You did not got to be like, well, that is true.
It's the thing.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Okay McCarthy again, that's not I'm not mad at that
higher but I just summed about him. I don't think
he is like whenever stuff happened, I would I would say,
don't they don't bring his name. I would take him
right now over Pete Carroll, Mike McCarthy, Bill Belichick's name
is gonna come up before his, right just because some
Mike McCarty, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
It'll be a handful of other guys that will come up.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
They'll recycle a couple of you know, college guys start
coming up the names again. But Mike, yeah, Mike McCarthy,
I don't know why he's just not the guy the
team's won. But Pete Carroll, Yeah, it's it's just we
knew this was gonna be a disaster and it's exactly
what it's been. And I hate, you know, hate to
be a prophet, but or nottra domis, but this you
can who didn't see this coming?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Did you see I was going to get that?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
What was that deal?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
You see? So burrito? Yeah, he jumped in on that.
He said twenty five He waited twenty five minutes to
do a two for one a free burrito? Is it
free or two for one? But you still got to
give them money they make that, But I.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Got a whole free breed. I mean, no, no, no,
they're absolutely making it out. That's not happening.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
They make out on it because for of all, the
first one that they've overcharged you for, they make up
on it.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And you're gonna come. You're gonna buy a drink. Wow,
you're gonna add the guac for two three dollars unless
you're rob g and you're walking in with a cup already. Yeah,
I'm just saying, you.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Act like you're hurting my feeling.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Saying like that.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I think it's smart I think it's smart.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I gotta cup in the car right now, waiting to
do no, no, no, no no, don't let that man
try to gaslight it like he is, like he doing
all tough.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
What do he say? The other day I walked in
that thing, sheepish. That was the only guy in there.
You thought it was twenty five people in there. You
open the door and everybody looked at you.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Hi, sir.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
But they but they should have the food police, they
should be people in there. Excuse me?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Do you ever can I see your receipt at the
at the free No? See, that's just what That's why
they've closed down most of it.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
That's why they don't found drinks anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Guys like me.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
They close it down because people. And you got a
whole job too. There, I was saying, coming in with
his burrito with matic the way, Wait, wait, do you
have any Dodger?
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Get on, I can't see from here you had a hat.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
You had a hat one with those moves though, that
burrito's probably spoiled now, I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
They almost took it back with that. Sego give me
one shake. You gotta do something.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Dodger had said, like what do you think, guy, am,
come on, sego get us burrito on you boy. I
can't see it for dgwaya glare. I literally can't see it.
All right, Rob G, quickly before we wrap it up
here here about the Raiders. You know you both are
down on Pee Carroll and I get it. He's ninety
eight years old and I.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Like old people.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
By the way he was ninety seven, it was like
he'd been old.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Is the problem that he lost his fastball? Do you
think as a coach? Or did he just hitch his
wagon too the wrong guy? Because Gino Smith had one
tremendous bounce back season with him in Seattle. Since then
though this year uh lowess completion percentage in four seasons,
lois yards per game in five seasons, lowis passer rating
(21:48):
in five seats he is.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
So is it a Gino problem or is it a
Pe Carroll?
Speaker 6 (21:52):
No? I think it's a Pete Carroll problem because the team,
along with Gino having a terrible years, the rest of
the team, rob G, this more issues than just Gino
and I if it was just Gino, then you could
look and go he picked the wrong quarterback, Like like
they got a good defense. Oh, they can run the football,
but Gino's like, you know, hurting us by throwing an
interception when we're in the red zone and whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
It's just more problems than that. And not to mention.
Part of being a good coach is you wanted Gino.
And that's gotta be on you. You we brought him here.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
You know why because he has to take the blame,
because if Gino came and played well, he would take credit.
Oh look, he brought his guy, this guy in sitting
here five. You gotta get the blame that you brought
your guy in and he failed. And not only did
you bring your guy in, This is my point, rob g.
You brought your guy in and he regressed, he got worse.
You didn't bring him in and he was about the same,
(22:43):
right and say we're losing, You're like, all right, he's
about it.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Ain't just Gino, he's about the same. You brought him
in and we got worse.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
And after eight weeks, nine weeks, depending on their record,
know exactly what it is you two and six. So
after eight games, you haven't fixed the problem. Right, So
if it's three games, forget you. Okay, Now he's turned
the corner. Right, and all of a sudden, say, Geno's
now a couple of touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
That's to me.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
And the other thing is you haven't turned the corner
and there's no sign of life. That's the other thing.
Sometimes we understand you go lose some we don't expect
them to come in like the Bills or the Chiefs
or something.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
But there's no sign of life to me, Rob And
that's the other issue.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
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Speaker 3 (23:31):
We're gonna segue to another black quarterback relative of the league.
Tell you that right now, that's ease.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
How come I'm I'm the goods.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
So you guys know we talked about earlier this week
Kyler Murray put on IR after what was allegedly a
soft benching in Arizona. They're ready to move on, it appears,
get out of the Kyler Murray business. Move on to
Jacoby Brissett. Which is a crazy sentences.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
That that that's even worse. I don't know where you're
going with that. The coach is basically saying, okay, you
can fire me. Well, I don't think it's the coach.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I think is that's how bad it is for Kyler
that they look at Kobe is a perfect backup, like
he could be my backup for a decade.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
No, but I'm just saying, like you put it, say
you you say Collins out and then they lose four
games in a row and he's bad.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
But see, that's why I feel like this is a
universal owner gentleman as a coach like we we good
like we It's one of the conversations they going, hey, Rob,
that's your coach.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Don't a't worry about it?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
You good?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
They y'all going six and six, They say that, Now
we'll see it was the coach after this year, so guys.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Before Kyler was put on IR, Mike Florio said on
Pro Football Talk that it was likely that Kyler would
get traded this offseason.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
They wanted to trade them at the deadline. They couldn't
too many moving parts.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
It is what it is. Well now.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
On Thursday, ESPN's Dan Graziano reported that rather than a trade,
you could see a situation where the Arizona Cardinals just
flat out cut Kyler Murray and eat what's left of
his salary. They said, you know, when you have Russell
Wilson taking that eighty million dollar dead hit, the fifty
(25:13):
five million dollars with Kyler doesn't feel so bad. So again,
in summary, don't be surprised if Kyler Murray is cut
this offseason in Arizona.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, he's not one hundred percent not gonna be on
that team next year. I mean that's not that's that's
a flat out he won't be there. How he won't
be there. Cut release Traeve is a somehow offseason trade
or something. If somebody were interested, somebody needed a quarterback,
somebody because one thing we've talked about at the time,
somebody's gonna look at him, I believe, and they're gonna
(25:43):
say I can fix him. He was a number one
pick for a reason, right, Heisman Trophy winner, Like he's
that guy. There's somebody who's gonna believe that. I don't
know who it is, but there's somebody who will because
we've seen Baker. We've seen Geno for two or three
years until now, and we've seen Baker. So I believe
somebody's gonna do that. But they're done. And it's a
disappointing thing because what happened. They gave him a bowlo
(26:05):
of money. He had a couple of like a season
and a half where he was solid to good, really good,
and it's just been downhill ever since. He's got receivers,
he's had some offensive players, some running backs. At times
you just you start to hear remember that they did
the whole They knew he wasn't looking at the film,
studying his book.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
They knew that.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
They put it in his contract, put it in his contract,
you gotta study, which is crazy for a quarter.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
That was JaMarcus Russell though, when they gave him blank
blank blank DVD. How you like it? You see it
with you? Yeah? Yeah, Yeah, that's a good plays.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Bark, that's a blank DVD. I like all them plays.
That was it? How embarrassing that that rember want to
get away? That's one of them want to get away
moments right there.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
I got a different plan for for Kyler Murray. What's
that got your money? They're gonna cut you or whatever?
I would go play baseball. I would this This is
like one of the and I know he's twenty eight
and that was the Oakland Oakland A's have his rights
twenty eight You got your NFL money. This dude is
(27:07):
the first player ever, when you're talking about in the
United States, right in this country, ever to be drafted
in the first round in football and baseball.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Nobody, no other athlete ever was able to do that.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
That told you about his baseball skill because baseball guys
like Mike Piazzo went to the winds up, going to
the Hall of Fame, was drafted in like the seventieth
righte you know, like you know what I mean, like
like fifty rounds, you know of drafts, And to be
the first ever in baseball and football, I just don't
(27:44):
know where the football's going from here. That's just me
and I don't know. You know, obviously, if to be
a first round draft pick in baseball, why not, that
would be what a story that would be. I just
don't know where his NFL career. You're right, somebody's gonna
feel like they can fix him and he can do that.
Do I see him having like some great career if
he moves on somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
No, I just don't. I'm not. I just don't.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I'm not sold on it. I think, to add to
your point, I think a really creative idea. And he's
still young enough, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
I know that's older, but it's not ancient. I mean,
and I just challenge came up late, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Good point.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
And also clearly at one point time you were that
talented that you were a first round pick. You know
you're not again, You're not at the thirty second round pick. No,
here's here's the thing. To me, Kyler would have to say,
what do I am? I trying to do something? To
remember a lot of people like man, what would Lebron
look like if he was a tight end? You know,
we've done a handful of players in any sport. What
(28:42):
would they look like they went there? If Kyler said,
to your point, I've got money, I can always say
I was a number one pick and I did things
in the NFL. You know, I had a solid couple
of years. Now I want to go try and do something.
I know it might take me three years. I might
have to go down and triple a double a ball.
Remember Hail Murray.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
You remember that he threw that and the coach was
the offensive guy, Cliff Clean you remember that he was saying,
but remember that, Rob g.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
You remember he was like, yeah, between Kyler and Patrick,
they'll be swapping MVPs. Do you remember that? Man?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
He meant mv please remember that company please is what
he meant. But uh so, does Kyler want to do
something different? Do I want to be unique? Do I
want to have.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
With Cory?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Or are you nique?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Here's the thing with the NFL and specifically the position
he plays, Rob say, he goes assists down four years too,
meaning I'm just a backup guy or I'm just in
and out. If he ends up having a six to
eight game stretch where he plays well twelve twelve touchdowns,
two interceptions, you know, twelve hundred and fifteen, two hundred
two thousand yards, somebody's gonna pay him thirty forty million.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Gino just got paid a bunch of money half a
couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Baker just got uh Sam about to get another check
because you know, the Seahawks going want to re up
and get him more. And I think that's the Kyler
is aige on. What happened to Tyler is a quarterback
and all you gotta do show up, be good for
half a season, somebody's gonna cast you out more than
you're supposed to, and that's the problem. So he's got
(30:15):
a chance. He's too he's too young. He can get
another check. He can get another thirty forty to fifty
sixty eighty million dollar pay. Seriously, if he goes somewhere
it plays good four years, somebody might give him a
four year, eighty million cacause in their mind it's only
twenty million dollars for his starting quarterback and he can
get eighty million again. So the money that he can
get just by simply being a capable quarterback. So does
(30:39):
he want the bread the money or do he want
to do something cool?
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Unique?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Maybe Me and my dad always wanted to see what
I looked like baseball, kind of the Jordan thing, right.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Jordan and a lot of people Deon Sanders. There's a
ton of players who were able to play two sports.
A Bo Jackson, Bo Jackson, right, and you look at
it and go, wow, that's incredible. What was the receiver
from a know her name Surmiza? Whatever was a picture
for Cobbs. It was a pitcher, Jamis Winston. Jamis Winston
(31:08):
was a baseball player. I like there's a ton. Danny
Ainge played third base for the Blue Jays and I
was an NBA player.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
But Matthew Stafford was a catcher.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
You know all that?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Did he catch Clayton Clayton Kershaw? Am I having no stuff?
Did I make up story? He made up that story?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Right?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Was the same? I thought that was on the same team.
But I would have he won a pitch or two
with that arm. I'm just surprised he would be catcher.
Looked that up. I feel like, I'm right, Yeah, thank
you Martin.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
He was.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Yeah, I didn't know he was a catcher.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
Wow, It's not like they don't bring it up during
every broadcast.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Don't put him in a box just because he can
throw one ball don't mean he can throw another.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
You're right, Rob g Sometimes enough for already we heard it.
He just shanked that, didn't he like?
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Did you know Ryan Fitzpatrick played at Harvard? That's one
of the ones too. Did you know Matthew Stafford and
Clayton Curser I went to high school together.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
No, yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
If the Broncos putter trying to get fired, do you
know that Kelvin Washington does a morning show on.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Did you know Rob Parker is a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Did you know he has a Hall of Fame? What
Hall of Fame vote? Did you know Rob Parker has
MLB bro because you need to know. Did you know
Rob Parker has a shop barber shop in Detroit. We
just celebrated our twenty thirty year. You should have called
you what's your man's name? Again? Oh Chico?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, he should have called Tiago, ask him stop spray
painting Jaylen Browne.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Tico stopped doing that. Tiko help him out.
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Victor Rembinyamas struggled on a celebrity box and matches.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
That's what I can.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Straight game knockers, blockall. He only shot five or fourteen
from the field. He had five turnovers. Now here's the
big thing you mentioned. He's had two straight games now.
He's been struggling a little bit. First five games of
the season, wenby average thirty fifteen and five blocks a game.
He was awesome. They were five and zero. They've lost
their last two. In these last two games, fourteen points
(00:50):
on fourteen field goal attemps.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Per game, which is not great.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
That's terrible for a guy nine foot tall, five assists
and eleven turnovers over these last two. He's got more
turnover Baker and yet Kelvin Washington is not deterreed anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
No, and it pays me to say this because anybody
knows just as far as basketball preference over the last
six seven years, my guy was Luca and it still is.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Luca's incredible. He was incredible. What is he or isn't he?
You said he still lives?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
What does that?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
He's still? I don't know what.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Guy?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
No.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
One guy Luca? Luca is that guy still? The dude's
averaging like forty something the game. But when you start
to look at this and if I'm projecting about you
know who, If I'm the Washington franchise and I want
a guy for the next eight ten years, whatever you
want to say, who am I moving forward with? If
there's anybody in the NBA, who would I want? And
(01:45):
even despite these last couple of games, despite how he
looked last night against the Lakers, they filed him out,
struggled with the double team. He even talked about that
team that are kind of finding a way to get
after him a little bit, get up underneath him being
eight foot eight. It's still winby and I and I
had to think about why because Luca not a great
game as far as percentage. You nine for twenty seven,
but thirty five triple double you should get you should
(02:06):
get seven twenty shots. He had a bad night shooting
efficiency wise. He missed some handful of free throws. Even
asked him at the game, you know, he says, free throws.
I missed some free throws and it ended up being
way longer one minute at the end because the Lakers
just didn't want to win. But the thing for me,
the thing that is a separator with Winby rob For me,
(02:27):
the difference is number one. I ain't got to motivate
Wenby and this is just beyond, even beyond Luca. I
don't have to motivate Wenby to want to be the best.
I don't have to motivate Wemby to want to play defense.
I don't have to motivate Weinby to take an off
season seriously.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
And I like that. I also like this about Winby.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
The thing about Luca that makes him great is also
the thing that can be his kryptonite, and it reminds
me of Luca. Between Lebron and Alan Iverson where they
are the centerpiece. They are the gravity of the world.
They are the cis everything orbits around them. There's no
other system. We don't run this, we don't run that
this is how we do it. This is the way,
our flow, our schematics. It is you do you and
(03:11):
we hope we win. And it got Allan and Iverson
to a finals, but didn't do much more after that.
It's been working for Lebron for the most part, got
four rings, but there were times you wish he would
work it around six years Daniel, right there you go,
And I wonder if Luca the hybrid of Lebron and
Iverson in that point of he is a system and
will that work for championships.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
What I like about Winby.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Is that Wemby will be able to be the guy
that dropped thirty forty to night twenty boards, whatever, or
he can have his team win and still be successful
if he has eighteen points, twenty five rebounds, ten blocks.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
He doesn't have to singularly score.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And it reminds me of another big that they had
on that team and Tim Duncan, where Tim Duncan could
be the focal point scoring, put him down on the block,
give you thirty and twenty, or Tim duncan be the
best one of four fifteen points, twenty boards, ten blocks,
five assists and just make key plays and Wemby reminds
me of a better, at least evolved version of that,
(04:09):
and I think for me moving forward, I want to
be able to have that a guy that can be
a defensive player of the year, a guy that essentially
could be a top five score in this league as well,
and also be a guy that a team wants to
play for and that'll be motivated to play night in,
night out season season, And Wenby to me, when I
watch the league right now, there's a handful of amazing
players that if you said this player, I'm not mad at,
(04:31):
But for me, it's Wemby. I think that's a differentiator
is that he has a chance to be the best
in a multitude of ways, where specifically, if I go
up against with Luca, if he's not scoring thirty five
to forty, he's not gonna be the most effective.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
And that's the separator for me.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Yeah, I just think your analysis is premature. And sure
you can look into your crystal ball and you look
at what you see we do. Okay, I'm just saying,
but the idea what we do, there's a lot of
things and factors there, especially injury wise, He's already had
the blood clots. He's a big guy, tall guy with
the foot and ankle issues that those guys.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I'm not telling you, I'm not wishing.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
I'm just giving you, like what's built from the guys
who are that size.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
And he's uh thin as a rail. We know he
what is he? A monk? He was a monk this
summer or whatever.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
So I know that was a bad TV show, but
I think he was actually a monk and had the monkeys.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Now the monk. It was monk, like oh the month
the OCD dude, Yeah, yeah, monk or something like that. Uh,
but I don't know.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
I mean, there was one stretch when everybody was saying
he was the greatest player ever, and then the all
I remember the Spurs losing eighteen games in a row,
and I thought to myself, how could you be a
generational talent?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Seriously and ever in the history of your life?
Speaker 6 (05:54):
High school pee wee basketball, Like, there's no way you
should lose eighteen in a and that bothered me and
even in this case here and I'm just a couple
of bad games. But at some point they'll figure out
what they need to do to neutralize them. And I'm
not saying they're going to stop him or he won't
be able to score, and he's gonna score fourteen points
every night. But if you think that he's just gonna
(06:18):
run the roost and have the next twenty years and
put up all the points and block every shot and
nobody else is gonna come around because he's gonna have
to win two.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
So that's gonna be interesting to me. I'm not dealing
with a luker thing.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
I just think the rush to want to crown Wemby
before they've even made the playoffs yet, or because the
craziest thing was their team actually got worse his first
year when he got there after they which made no sense.
They actually won less games and had the eighteen game
losing streak with Wimby. Do I think he's a.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Talent, absolutely? Do I think he could be great? Absolutely?
Speaker 6 (06:56):
Do I think he's gonna be the all time greatest
player ever played and win the mostchampionship.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I do not believe that.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
I don't because it takes more than that, and somebody
will figure out how to neutralize him and slow him
down and make him for it like they did, force
the ball to somebody else, make him give up the
basketball like He's not gonna just take it out there
on stilts and there are two guys running at him
(07:22):
and he's just gonna try to go through them. That's
not gonna happen, and that they're going to look at
this film and what they've been able to do and
figure out a plan, and then he'll have to adjust
there and be better. Do I like Luca? I mean,
do I like Wemby? You know, I like let Wemby.
I love Wemby right because everyone knows that it's Wemby.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Everyone knows it's Whimy.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So then why wasn't Winby to answer, you know, looking
at it from a standpoint of is there anyone? Because
I know everything you said, I hear you. I disagree
with a couple of points. One I think that's for me.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Why I would be and I'd imagine so many other
gms or something will be so excited about him is
if he is not scoring to night, he can still
be the best player on the floor. The man is
out here passing dropping dimes. He can block shots. He
changes a million shots, even the ones he can't block.
I mean from the elbow down here. Why they lost
eighteen in to row with him on the court.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, but he's on I'm saying. I'm just saying because
of what you I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
He was figuring out a first time in America, playing
in a ball in the NBA. Now he's only twenty
one years old, and to me, that's the scary part
is his desire to get better, is hunger to get better.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
He won.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
We talked about guys prodigy's age don't matter. So whenever
I hear that, I'm not buying into it because he's
twenty one in the NBA year role who could go
and playing Carnegie Hall. Nobody goes, well, she's only thirteen. No,
she's a prodigy. And Wemby's a prodigy. And that's why
he's playing in the Carnegie Hall, which is the NBA.
And now he's at it this year. He's playing spectacularly
(08:51):
and so to me, he has to night not to night.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, anybody has shot, even Luca and the wind wasn't great. Look,
you know, didn't didn't have a great night. That happens.
But to me, again, his ability to just win in
a multitude of ways to be I'm gonna be the
best defensive player to here and I have an MVP
candidate possibly in the future. For him, he's just that's suitantalizing.
And uh, I just don't see anybody else in the
league like that like that. There are dogs, they're a beast,
(09:16):
but not like that. And I am in the crystal
ball a little bit, you know, Like you said, ant Man, right,
I think he said he was the guy, right, He's
not the guy the league anymore.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
No, we were talking about the potential as far as
star power and had that hill still left there?
Speaker 6 (09:31):
He still holding is as bright as it was because
at one point everybody was crowning him.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
He's still up there.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
He's still because he of all the other guys, he's
got that thing about him.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
He's got that. In fact.
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Yay.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Shout out to Lebron James sucks.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
You're You're out on the football season tomorrow, right? Have
you tuned out?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I wouldn't say I've tuned out, but but I'm definitely
not locked in the way that I already Now every
Sunday I'm watching watching multiple games at once. I got
the big TV, I got the laptop, I got the tablet,
I got the cell phone.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
And what about the kids if they want to watch cartoons.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Or got tablets too?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
You figured it out, but you can figure it out.
When I started week one and we beat the Patriots
in Week one, Drake May everybody's MVP. I had out
of the big TV, right, and I worked down from there. Well,
the last three or four weeks, they're on the phone
on the multi screen.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Blue gets more President.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, like if it's a it's a two games going
or four games going. I got the Raiders of the
smallest box, and then I got like the Dolphins next.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
To it, like magnifying glass to see them.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
They are really struggling, underwhelming in every possible way. And
just to give you some context, the defense middle of
the road, right, you expect that from Pete Carry you
be good, but they've been average right like fifteen to
sixty and every major category offensively where has been the
big problem Because you bring in Genos Smith to give
them all that money, you bring in Chip Kelly fresh
(11:47):
out of a championship of Miles State, and your offense
didn't just get worse, it became one of the worst
offenses future in football future. Their total offense is thirtieth,
scoring of offense, twenty ninth, rushing offense twenty ninth, twenty eighth
in turnovers. It's all bad right now in the desert.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
And you know what, if I'm the Raiders Mark Davis,
There's two things I'm doing in the offseason. I'm getting
a haircut, a good one. He ain't doing that, okay,
And I'm getting rid of Pete Carroll. I'm sending him
to a home care facility with some money Thank you
(12:31):
Pete very much, but there's no way I'm going forward.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
This isn't like other aspects of the team.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Okay, and the quarterback just really played poorly this year
and we could see everything, Rob This team is awful,
just awful. I was against this hire think we both
are like, what are you doing? There's no future here?
It doesn't make sense. You're not like, Man, we got
everything in place. We just need a veteran coach who
(13:00):
could guide the locker room, you know what I mean,
and rally the troops know there's so much work that
needs to be done, and I'm just how do you
go forward?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I don't care if they like Pete Carroll?
Speaker 6 (13:13):
And you know what, some people need to start looking
at stats because you look at people Pete Carroll and
I get it.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
They went to back to back Super Bowls. Dude, his
numbers don't add up.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Cause Mike McCarthy, who everybody clowns has a better winning percentage,
won as many Super Bowls as Pete Carroll. Seriously, and
the last time we saw him with a healthy quarterback,
they were winning twelve games a year in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Seriously, Mike is something about him that's not likable and
this is just me, Pierce, because you're the point.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
We've gone through Mike Tomlin and Sean Payton, Sean Paigon
like that, like Sean genius, and they're all the same guy.
They all won one super early on. They had these
great quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Whatever.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Mike McCarthy never went like Sean Payton to me is
last on the list because he went under five hundred
three years in a row with a Hall of Fame
quarterback with the New Orleans Ye right, at least Mike
McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers, they never did that.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
They might not have won, you know, the rings that
you would have hoped, but they didn't go. When he
got to Dallas, they had success a couple of twelve
and five seasons. So yeah, I'm not gonna I'm the
Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I don't know if he just doesn't if he's not
a raw rack guy, if he doesn't rally the troops,
if he doesn't set a culture. But there is something
to Mike McCarthy that I think doesn't ring true to
make people go, that's our guy. But me and you
talked about this, but they were gonna sign peak care
I it just didn't make any sense, Like you're trying
to find your thing and you can move forward and
(14:49):
all of a sudden grow and have some sustainability and
the thing with Gino then you then not only do
you do that, you go back and you go get
Gino Smith.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Now I understand it.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Gino Smith had had a it was successful a season
with Pete Carroll, and so maybe you want to do that,
But Geno Smith could not have been your answer. And
not only that, you didn't get to at least the
same version of Geno Smith. You got the Jets version
of Geno Smith. You know, you went backwards with Geno Smith.
He's regressed, he looks worse, the worst he has as
bad as he's looked in the last three four years.
(15:20):
So not only did you at least say, all right,
at least I'm getting that plateaued even killed version of him,
you've gone backwards. The defense isn't spectacular. And again you
just don't have an identity. And you know I'm big
on that. When I watched the Raiders, I don't know
what they are. I don't know if they're lockdown defensive team.
They run the ball. Don't they air it out? I
know they turn the ball over a lot. I know
(15:40):
Gino's got a gang of turnovers. I know they let
people run the score upon him at times. So yeah,
it's just disappointing. And again, this has just been a franchise,
rob G. I'm not even being funny, because again I'm
a Lions fan. I can we just now got good
the last handful of years. When is the last time
you guys were good?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Rob G?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
When was the last time the Raiders? Was it that
Super Bowl? I'm not even being funnyd you have a
couple of seasons after that.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
No, they made the playoffs a couple of times, but
their best team was since that Super Bowl was the
year Derek Carr's Lake snapped out. I remember that they
were cruising to a bye bye.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I remember that.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I do remember the top two seed, and then in
the very last game of the season, they're winning comfortably,
Lake snaps in half and the rest is history. Because
I'm like, man, they just said like that. You know,
because even Derek Carr will tell you he was never
the same mentally as a quarterback. He became real skittish.
He never used that letters anymore, but the rest of
(16:40):
your leg.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Snap. I had to say it again.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Just years.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
That's still looking. I mean, shoot, dude, that by the way,
we talked about football. We come in here, we talk
about the game. Whoever got the Broncos Raider?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
We do all this.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Man, it's a brutal sport. Because we didn't even talk
about what happened to Skataboo. Like I happened to be
sitting next to the woman, my wife, and we're, you know,
talking about whatever was going on, and then I'm looking
in the corner and I'm like, am I tripping or
is his ankle dangling? And then they replay because the
first one you couldn't really tell what happened, so they
of course replay it. And she looks at me, and
(17:13):
I had no answers, like, man, football is it's a
brutal sport. My gosh, I want to make.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Your wife look at you would say if we had
a son, he wasn't playing football.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I mean, you and I talk about how many time
they sit it with Fourer NFL players and they say,
love it wouldn't do it again. He changed two boys, right,
he's not playing to play or if they do I
was just explaining this to a friend of mine. If
they do they play flag football as long as possible,
as long as possible, You're not about to be taking
all these hits at six and seven.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Dude. If you ever watched those like Miami.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Documentaries on the Liberty City, Liberty City, those teams in
down down in Miami, Man, the little kids be playing
six seven years old. That's basically all the people in
the NFL, like half of them are from that area.
It is a they are remarkable, but they're taking hits
and everybody's going creak it up. You all right, dust
it off, let's go. I like, that's a seven year old.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
And just just think about the opposite, which for a
long time in Little League, they wouldn't even let you
throw a curveball, you know what I mean. They wouldn't
even let you throw a curveball h in a game
if you're a certain age because they know that they'll
mess up your arm, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
And man, them kids be taking licks and it gets
I have no idea what that was. What is that?
But I think my mic has been doing that today.
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
That was weird, Yeah, but anyway, so back to uh,
I was just bod he's trying to like sabotage this
is that what he's doing. Why you gotta put me
in it. I didn't do anything.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
That's all right. If I'm talking about you, it's a
good thing. Yeah, I just think. But Mike McCarthy is
most of the people over there, I just ignore.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
That is why could you stop bringing a thing that
I don't know if I'm supposed continue and say something
to move.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
You did not got to be like, well, that is true.
It's the thing.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Okay McCarthy again, that's not I'm not mad at that
higher but I just summed about him. I don't think
he is like whenever stuff happened, I would I would say,
don't they don't bring his name. I would take him
right now over Pete Carroll, Mike McCarthy, Bill Belichick's name
is gonna come up before his, right just because some
Mike McCarty, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
It'll be a handful of other guys that will come up.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
They'll recycle a couple of you know, college guys start
coming up the names again. But Mike, yeah, Mike McCarthy,
I don't know why he's just not the guy the
team's won. But Pete Carroll, Yeah, it's it's just we
knew this was gonna be a disaster and it's exactly
what it's been. And I hate, you know, hate to
be a prophet, but or nottra domis, but this you
can who didn't see this coming?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Did you see I was going to get that?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
What was that deal?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
You see? So burrito? Yeah, he jumped in on that.
He said twenty five He waited twenty five minutes to
do a two for one a free burrito? Is it
free or two for one? But you still got to
give them money they make that, But I.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Got a whole free breed. I mean, no, no, no,
they're absolutely making it out. That's not happening.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
They make out on it because for of all, the
first one that they've overcharged you for, they make up
on it.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And you're gonna come. You're gonna buy a drink. Wow,
you're gonna add the guac for two three dollars unless
you're rob g and you're walking in with a cup already. Yeah,
I'm just saying, you.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Act like you're hurting my feeling.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Saying like that.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I think it's smart I think it's smart.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I gotta cup in the car right now, waiting to
do no, no, no, no no, don't let that man
try to gaslight it like he is, like he doing
all tough.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
What do he say? The other day I walked in
that thing, sheepish. That was the only guy in there.
You thought it was twenty five people in there. You
open the door and everybody looked at you.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Hi, sir.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
But they but they should have the food police, they
should be people in there. Excuse me?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Do you ever can I see your receipt at the
at the free No? See, that's just what That's why
they've closed down most of it.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
That's why they don't found drinks anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Guys like me.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
They close it down because people. And you got a
whole job too. There, I was saying, coming in with
his burrito with matic the way, Wait, wait, do you
have any Dodger?
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Get on, I can't see from here you had a hat.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
You had a hat one with those moves though, that
burrito's probably spoiled now, I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
They almost took it back with that. Sego give me
one shake. You gotta do something.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Dodger had said, like what do you think, guy, am,
come on, sego get us burrito on you boy. I
can't see it for dgwaya glare. I literally can't see it.
All right, Rob G, quickly before we wrap it up
here here about the Raiders. You know you both are
down on Pee Carroll and I get it. He's ninety
eight years old and I.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Like old people.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
By the way he was ninety seven, it was like
he'd been old.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Is the problem that he lost his fastball? Do you
think as a coach? Or did he just hitch his
wagon too the wrong guy? Because Gino Smith had one
tremendous bounce back season with him in Seattle. Since then
though this year uh lowess completion percentage in four seasons,
lois yards per game in five seasons, lowis passer rating
(21:48):
in five seats he is.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
So is it a Gino problem or is it a
Pe Carroll?
Speaker 6 (21:52):
No? I think it's a Pete Carroll problem because the team,
along with Gino having a terrible years, the rest of
the team, rob G, this more issues than just Gino
and I if it was just Gino, then you could
look and go he picked the wrong quarterback, Like like
they got a good defense. Oh, they can run the football,
but Gino's like, you know, hurting us by throwing an
interception when we're in the red zone and whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
It's just more problems than that. And not to mention.
Part of being a good coach is you wanted Gino.
And that's gotta be on you. You we brought him here.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
You know why because he has to take the blame,
because if Gino came and played well, he would take credit.
Oh look, he brought his guy, this guy in sitting
here five. You gotta get the blame that you brought
your guy in and he failed. And not only did
you bring your guy in, This is my point, rob g.
You brought your guy in and he regressed, he got worse.
You didn't bring him in and he was about the same,
(22:43):
right and say we're losing, You're like, all right, he's
about it.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Ain't just Gino, he's about the same. You brought him
in and we got worse.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
And after eight weeks, nine weeks, depending on their record,
know exactly what it is you two and six. So
after eight games, you haven't fixed the problem. Right, So
if it's three games, forget you. Okay, Now he's turned
the corner. Right, and all of a sudden, say, Geno's
now a couple of touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
That's to me.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
And the other thing is you haven't turned the corner
and there's no sign of life. That's the other thing.
Sometimes we understand you go lose some we don't expect
them to come in like the Bills or the Chiefs
or something.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
But there's no sign of life to me, Rob And
that's the other issue.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
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Speaker 3 (23:31):
We're gonna segue to another black quarterback relative of the league.
Tell you that right now, that's ease.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
How come I'm I'm the goods.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
So you guys know we talked about earlier this week
Kyler Murray put on IR after what was allegedly a
soft benching in Arizona. They're ready to move on, it appears,
get out of the Kyler Murray business. Move on to
Jacoby Brissett. Which is a crazy sentences.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
That that that's even worse. I don't know where you're
going with that. The coach is basically saying, okay, you
can fire me. Well, I don't think it's the coach.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I think is that's how bad it is for Kyler
that they look at Kobe is a perfect backup, like
he could be my backup for a decade.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
No, but I'm just saying, like you put it, say
you you say Collins out and then they lose four
games in a row and he's bad.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
But see, that's why I feel like this is a
universal owner gentleman as a coach like we we good
like we It's one of the conversations they going, hey, Rob,
that's your coach.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Don't a't worry about it?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
You good?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
They y'all going six and six, They say that, Now
we'll see it was the coach after this year, so guys.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Before Kyler was put on IR, Mike Florio said on
Pro Football Talk that it was likely that Kyler would
get traded this offseason.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
They wanted to trade them at the deadline. They couldn't
too many moving parts.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
It is what it is. Well now.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
On Thursday, ESPN's Dan Graziano reported that rather than a trade,
you could see a situation where the Arizona Cardinals just
flat out cut Kyler Murray and eat what's left of
his salary. They said, you know, when you have Russell
Wilson taking that eighty million dollar dead hit, the fifty
(25:13):
five million dollars with Kyler doesn't feel so bad. So again,
in summary, don't be surprised if Kyler Murray is cut
this offseason in Arizona.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, he's not one hundred percent not gonna be on
that team next year. I mean that's not that's that's
a flat out he won't be there. How he won't
be there. Cut release Traeve is a somehow offseason trade
or something. If somebody were interested, somebody needed a quarterback,
somebody because one thing we've talked about at the time,
somebody's gonna look at him, I believe, and they're gonna
(25:43):
say I can fix him. He was a number one
pick for a reason, right, Heisman Trophy winner, Like he's
that guy. There's somebody who's gonna believe that. I don't
know who it is, but there's somebody who will because
we've seen Baker. We've seen Geno for two or three
years until now, and we've seen Baker. So I believe
somebody's gonna do that. But they're done. And it's a
disappointing thing because what happened. They gave him a bowlo
(26:05):
of money. He had a couple of like a season
and a half where he was solid to good, really good,
and it's just been downhill ever since. He's got receivers,
he's had some offensive players, some running backs. At times
you just you start to hear remember that they did
the whole They knew he wasn't looking at the film,
studying his book.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
They knew that.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
They put it in his contract, put it in his contract,
you gotta study, which is crazy for a quarter.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
That was JaMarcus Russell though, when they gave him blank
blank blank DVD. How you like it? You see it
with you? Yeah? Yeah, Yeah, that's a good plays.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Bark, that's a blank DVD. I like all them plays.
That was it? How embarrassing that that rember want to
get away? That's one of them want to get away
moments right there.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
I got a different plan for for Kyler Murray. What's
that got your money? They're gonna cut you or whatever?
I would go play baseball. I would this This is
like one of the and I know he's twenty eight
and that was the Oakland Oakland A's have his rights
twenty eight You got your NFL money. This dude is
(27:07):
the first player ever, when you're talking about in the
United States, right in this country, ever to be drafted
in the first round in football and baseball.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Nobody, no other athlete ever was able to do that.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
That told you about his baseball skill because baseball guys
like Mike Piazzo went to the winds up, going to
the Hall of Fame, was drafted in like the seventieth
righte you know, like you know what I mean, like
like fifty rounds, you know of drafts, And to be
the first ever in baseball and football, I just don't
(27:44):
know where the football's going from here. That's just me
and I don't know. You know, obviously, if to be
a first round draft pick in baseball, why not, that
would be what a story that would be. I just
don't know where his NFL career. You're right, somebody's gonna
feel like they can fix him and he can do that.
Do I see him having like some great career if
he moves on somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
No, I just don't. I'm not. I just don't.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I'm not sold on it. I think, to add to
your point, I think a really creative idea. And he's
still young enough, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
I know that's older, but it's not ancient. I mean,
and I just challenge came up late, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Good point.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
And also clearly at one point time you were that
talented that you were a first round pick. You know
you're not again, You're not at the thirty second round pick. No,
here's here's the thing. To me, Kyler would have to say,
what do I am? I trying to do something? To
remember a lot of people like man, what would Lebron
look like if he was a tight end? You know,
we've done a handful of players in any sport. What
(28:42):
would they look like they went there? If Kyler said,
to your point, I've got money, I can always say
I was a number one pick and I did things
in the NFL. You know, I had a solid couple
of years. Now I want to go try and do something.
I know it might take me three years. I might
have to go down and triple a double a ball.
Remember Hail Murray.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
You remember that he threw that and the coach was
the offensive guy, Cliff Clean you remember that he was saying,
but remember that, Rob g.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
You remember he was like, yeah, between Kyler and Patrick,
they'll be swapping MVPs. Do you remember that? Man?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
He meant mv please remember that company please is what
he meant. But uh so, does Kyler want to do
something different? Do I want to be unique? Do I
want to have.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
With Cory?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Or are you nique?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Here's the thing with the NFL and specifically the position
he plays, Rob say, he goes assists down four years too,
meaning I'm just a backup guy or I'm just in
and out. If he ends up having a six to
eight game stretch where he plays well twelve twelve touchdowns,
two interceptions, you know, twelve hundred and fifteen, two hundred
two thousand yards, somebody's gonna pay him thirty forty million.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Gino just got paid a bunch of money half a
couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Baker just got uh Sam about to get another check
because you know, the Seahawks going want to re up
and get him more. And I think that's the Kyler
is aige on. What happened to Tyler is a quarterback
and all you gotta do show up, be good for
half a season, somebody's gonna cast you out more than
you're supposed to, and that's the problem. So he's got
(30:15):
a chance. He's too he's too young. He can get
another check. He can get another thirty forty to fifty
sixty eighty million dollar pay. Seriously, if he goes somewhere
it plays good four years, somebody might give him a
four year, eighty million cacause in their mind it's only
twenty million dollars for his starting quarterback and he can
get eighty million again. So the money that he can
get just by simply being a capable quarterback. So does
(30:39):
he want the bread the money or do he want
to do something cool?
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Unique?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Maybe Me and my dad always wanted to see what
I looked like baseball, kind of the Jordan thing, right.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Jordan and a lot of people Deon Sanders. There's a
ton of players who were able to play two sports.
A Bo Jackson, Bo Jackson, right, and you look at
it and go, wow, that's incredible. What was the receiver
from a know her name Surmiza? Whatever was a picture
for Cobbs. It was a pitcher, Jamis Winston. Jamis Winston
(31:08):
was a baseball player. I like there's a ton. Danny
Ainge played third base for the Blue Jays and I
was an NBA player.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
But Matthew Stafford was a catcher.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
You know all that?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Did he catch Clayton Clayton Kershaw? Am I having no stuff?
Did I make up story? He made up that story?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Right?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Was the same? I thought that was on the same team.
But I would have he won a pitch or two
with that arm. I'm just surprised he would be catcher.
Looked that up. I feel like, I'm right, Yeah, thank
you Martin.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
He was.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Yeah, I didn't know he was a catcher.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
Wow, It's not like they don't bring it up during
every broadcast.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Don't put him in a box just because he can
throw one ball don't mean he can throw another.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
You're right, Rob g Sometimes enough for already we heard it.
He just shanked that, didn't he like?
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Did you know Ryan Fitzpatrick played at Harvard? That's one
of the ones too. Did you know Matthew Stafford and
Clayton Curser I went to high school together.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
No, yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
If the Broncos putter trying to get fired, do you
know that Kelvin Washington does a morning show on.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Did you know Rob Parker is a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Did you know he has a Hall of Fame? What
Hall of Fame vote? Did you know Rob Parker has
MLB bro because you need to know. Did you know
Rob Parker has a shop barber shop in Detroit. We
just celebrated our twenty thirty year. You should have called
you what's your man's name? Again? Oh Chico?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, he should have called Tiago, ask him stop spray
painting Jaylen Browne.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Tico stopped doing that. Tiko help him out.
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