November 10, 2025 • 28 mins
Former NFL safety Kerry Rhodes is in for Kelvin, and he and Rob explain why Brian Daboll’s mismanagement of rookie quarterback Jaxson Dart sealed his fate with the New York Giants, and explain why anybody who isn’t a believer in Caleb Williams now is just lying themselves now. Plus, former Pro Bowl wide receiver and ‘Up on Game’ co-host TJ Houshmandzadeh swings by to discuss all the biggest headlines to come out of NFL Week 10.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Rob g Let's go here.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And there was big news, big news you could use
in the NFL when this afternoon, not to my surprise,
someone lost their gig, Rob Gi.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Yeah, Rob, you're never wrong, You're just early. That's what
I figured out. Oh way, that kind of stuff. Hey,
I was early on this one. Two weeks after Rob
Parker demanded that he be fired, the New York Football
Giants have decided to cut ties with that Brian day Ball,
one day after they blew a ten point lead in
the last four minutes of a game for the second
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time this season. All right, they've now blown four games
when leading by double digit this season. They've lost eleven
straight road games. It was all bad for Brian day Ball.
And that's not the only reason. I don't know if
you guys saw this, but Jackson Dart Prize rookie quarterback,
first round draft pick, he looks very very good. Everyone's
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very excited about him. Entered into the concussion protocol for
the fourth time already this season, and San Die was
officially diagnosed with a concussion. Well, ZB plays this week,
but that is the big story. Brian Day ball out
in New York.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Kerry I called for two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And even more after yesterday's game because it's not okay.
We could talk about the loss of the double digit
leads and the fourth quarters and the implosions and come on,
they had the Bears beat, they couldn't close the deal and.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Killer Williams played well. They should have won that game. Okay,
the Giants didn't win the game.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
But my reason is because of the way he's handled
Jackson Dark Like, that's the when you look at it,
here's a desperate coach playing for his gig. He's designing
plays for this kid to run into to the defense
and lower his shoulder and all this stuff. You remember
he was in the tent yelling at the doctor. Get
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him back out of there or whatever. Give him some
smell of sauce, whatever it is, like, get him out there.
That's the other part of it, that's the dangerous part.
No stop what the design plays for him to run,
and you have to be able to coach him to understand.
You don't have to get every yard carried. You don't
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have to lower your shoulder and go into a defender.
It's okay to get the necessary yards and get out
of bounds or slide down to avoid. It's a long game,
a long term game. As a quarterback, it ain't about
another yard or two for you to take a big hit.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
It makes no sense. I would have said, Jackson Dart,
do you.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Understand why in practice you have on a special jersey
and people know not to touch you.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
There's a reason for that, all right. If it wasn't,
if it didn't matter, they wouldn't do that. Am I right?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
My god, Brian day Ball, I told you two weeks ago,
pack your bags. The only bad thing is the general
managers should have gone to I don't know what they're
waiting on that.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, but this had to happen.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
The ways handled Jackson Dart and the losing and not
being able to close out games, I mean, come on
enough already.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yeah, the losing won't be tolerated with the Giants, obviously
they've been bad the last three years, had a lot
of success in their franchise though, right, and so they
won't stand for it. But with Brian day Ball, it's
such a funny thing. The NFL in life in general,
is such a fickle a fickle proposition. Right, they lost
four games leading by double digits. Right, if they won
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those games, we wouldn't be having these conversations, right, So
obviously there's some mishandling with what he's doing and in
game situations.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Right, for you to get a lead, for you to
have a ten point lead, exactly different if you get
blown out carried and you can't you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And it's like, well you're just overmatched.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah no, and that's good. Accept that's part of it. Right,
So operation wise, something is off. But it just shows
you the NFL though, in my opinion, Like I know
Brian dave Ball very well. He was working on the
offense when I was there in New York. He was
came over with Manginie and so I saw him come
up from the ranks through the process. Really good guy
knows football, knows how to do it. He's developed quarterbacks
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like Josh Allen like he can do those things. But
when you're the main man, there's so much more like
management and handling things, handling and knowing the tenor of
your team. You have to remove yourself from your egoing.
And when I watched Brian Davi and you just talked
about it, it's all about ego.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
He's trying to save his job.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
He got his quarterback, the one that he wanted, and
he was going to run him into the ground. And
so the fact that he is gone it makes sense
to me. I never want to see it happen, but
it makes use.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Of course, not nobody's rooting for people to lose their jobs,
but this is not You're not a Supreme Court justice
or a pope. Everybody gets whacked, Rob g how many
times have I been whacked? I've been whacked, and I'll
get whacked.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
More times, Alex, forget about that. You know what you're
doing with that one. You're not fooling anybody. What I'm
just saying.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You know how many times they told me, Rob, give
us your key and clicker?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
You know what I meane? Times the station? How many
times I.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I've probably been fired about five or six times in
my career, you know, and I just say okay. I
always say this robs you on my way out? Is
the producer all right? Does he have his gig? Is
he cool? And they say, yeah, he's not going anywhere. Okay,
I'll leave. Okay, here's my address, send me the rest
of my money and I leave.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Okay. So I get it. You don't kick over the
trash cans. No, I'm not doing all that slamming papers
and that's knock over the pens on the way out.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
When you look at me and you say, this guy
has survived forty years.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Next year's forty years.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
January sixth, nineteen eighty six is when I started my career.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Forty years coming up in less than two months. You
gotta have some good relationships. Then, gotta have relationships.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
You have to be able to take it on the
chin sometimes even if it's not your fault, even if
things you know what I mean, Like, sometimes people make decisions.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
In this case, Brian dave Ball could be a great guy.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Nobody's talking about him as a father and a husband
and a guy or you want to have a beer
with yeah, but as a head football coach, no, And
it was obvious at the end. And again I said
it two weeks ago and now you look at him
where he is medical tent thing did play because you
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remember the Giants got fine big by the NFL, and
so did he get fine because that was when it
became obvious that you know, he was looking out for
number one.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
And you know what's crazy about this, He finally he
got his quarterback, right, he was this is the quarterback
he went to bat for. And the GM Joe Shane
was like, no, this is Brian Dave balls pick like
he was trying to clear himself from.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Any other now, right, and now he's the guy.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
That's still standing. Which is it? Just that part doesn't
make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
It doesn't And they and they claim, like I saw
the press release something like like they feel like they
got the roster or whatever. But I was like, I
don't know, there's been a lot of mistakes. I don't
know how he's still around after the Sequans not on
the team and Daniel Jones, So just think about that,
that right there should disqualify you as GM. Now you
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don't have either one of those guys. You mishandled both
of them, right, and both of them are on. So
how in the world can you look at this guy,
look him in the face and think that he's done
a great job there.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It's terrible, But there's a lot of bad owners and
bad management. It's just a lot.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
It all stars there, Rob it does it just it
all starts at the top.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I've always said that the Lions having not won a
Super Bowl ever by accident. You know what I mean.
It's not by accident. It's because you just haven't done
the right things or had hired the right people. The
Jets have been bad since Moby Dick was a guppy.
It's because you've had true not true. We had a
run there in the two thousands.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Remember that he's still having a run.
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Speaker 1 (09:18):
There was somebody who people have just they just want
to be right, like like they they want to be
right that they think Caleb Williams can't play like that's
it's just a I don't know, a march in order. Well,
what's the right word, A narrative that has just been
out there no matter what.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Uh you know. John Middlecoff is a former Scout, right.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I heard him say that he had he hadn't progressed
at all the last two like at all. This was
like a couple of weeks ago. So I just looked
at that and said, what I hadn't progressed at all?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Then was that guy's name? Is it Dan Kelly? That
crazy scout x scalt a friend of the show, Daniel
ke Yes, we need Daniel Kelly back on. He said
he was a bust like he he what he said,
he says he's a he said he's going to be
a bust and he's a bust or something we had
him back on pre draft grade is bust bus right?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And and I'm like, and then I.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Guess, Matt, you didn't think of that. Rhy pre draft
grade would have thought of that.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And then he also like right, rob G, like was
coming up with stats to say, like the supporters thing.
Even now, even with the winds and six and three
record and the comebacks, he's still chiming with this stuff.
And I'm like, how could you use that term bust right?
When you have Ryan Leeve, jamarket Russell, those are busted.
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How can you even put Caleb Williams in that conversation
with those guys and and Carrie? I just Rob G,
he played well can you just with the Bear but
with the Bears bereating the Giant?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Just yeah, you know, a raiser. I'm people who thinks
that Kaitlin is not very good. So full disclosure, I'm
not a.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Fan of this. You're not. You don't think he's a bus.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
No, I just don't think he's I think he's in
the middle of the road quarterback. Okay, okay, so that's so.
But anyways, I had to eat some crow because I
was texting us hard in the group chat. Noayl Williams
had another comeback win, his fourth of the season, is
fifth since the end of.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Last season, both the most in the NFL seven and
three in his last ten.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Seven and three is looking really really good now. Was
passing numbers twenty of thirty six two twenty touchdown not great,
but his receivers were credit was six drops, so you
get that into.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
A in the middle of the game. There was one
throwing through in the end zone. Did you see that one,
Rob Gez? The key is just right off his hands,
like like I'm not it would have been a great catch. Yeah,
but was it catchable for NFL wide receiver. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
But where he really showed out and where he really
made his money was in the fourth quarter, especially with
his legs. Fifty two yards on the ground in the
fourth quarter, include the game winning touchdown run. After the game,
had his head coach Ben Johnson speaking glowly of his quarterback.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
He looks like a Houdini back there in the backfield, because,
like I said, that's a really good pass rushing front
that they've given a lot of teams fits. I think
Burns is leading the NFL in sacks and so there
are times where he's trying to escape and making some
things happen. He had a couple throws down the field,
but like you said, over fifty yards again rushing for
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the second week in a row. And I thought in
the fourth quarter there we really needed that as a
shot in the arm to end up winning that ball game.
So credit to him.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
One of his teammates show greatness in the background, which
was cool, you know what I mean. He got the
game ball and he just put his head down and work.
He's not listening to all the noise. And I this
just an anti And I've said it before and I'll
say it again. A lot of people don't like him
because he's a different cat, that's all right. And you
notice in football, they want you to be the same.
They want you to be a robot. They want you
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to live and breathe football nothing else matters. They don't
want you to paint your nails, they don't want you
to cry to your mom. All that it should be about,
can you play like nothing else? I just don't understand,
you know, Like you can talk about the Bears having
had a quarterback since Sid Luckman, Okay, like they've had
a quarterback forever in a day and I don't know
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if you want to just sit here and keep it well,
you know, Cam Newton was spouting today, Oh you shouldn't
be down.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Which one is it?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
When Aaron Rodgers doesn't have and then Green Bay didn't
have a lot of comeback victories because he was always ahead.
They used that as he can't come back. Then Tom
Brady had a lot of comeback. They use that as
a positive. Oh loo, Tom Brady man things. Push comes
to show he always bails out the team. Which one
is it? Caleb doesn't throw interceptions and if you force
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him he stay And I watched he was in the
pocket and when he had to get out of pocket,
he got out of pocket and made big plays. I
just I think he's developing nicely. I'm not saying he's
the next coming of anybody. I just I just think
that he's progressing nicely. What don't you like from the
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stuff that you see?
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Well, Rob, he's a victim of expectations, right, I mean,
people were saying he's gonna be the best draft prospect
that court at the quarterback position since whoever the last
great was, right, that's that's what Sister Louisiana proaches. Was
an ask, right, right, So that's that's the he's falling
victim to that. But also he's falling victim to the
thing that you just said, and I think you hit
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it on the head is people don't like him.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
They think he's different. He isn't.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
He isn't your quarterback from your grand your grandfather's day
when you know he got the bloody face and he
got the picture of his elbow scraped up, and he's
gritty and he's the guy that can go win your
game that way. He's not that guy. He's a guy that,
like you said, he's progressed. I think at a that
people thought it was a little bit slow for their taste.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
And that's fine.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
But when your head coach, who openly criticized you at
the beginning of the year has changed his tenor on
you and said, no, he's progressing at a really nice
rate right now, and we like what he's doing. And
now the teammates are speaking openly about him as well. Yes,
you know he's won over the locker room and he
has the goods.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
To get it. You know this carry you.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Got games you're about to lose, and this dude is
coming up with big throws and winning games winning. I
say it all the time. Sports has a short menu
wins and losses, nothing else.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Carrie. At the you don't.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
You don't leave the locker room during your jet stage
or Cardinals days to go, well, good, good thing, We're
only lost by five. No, nobody, because I hear people
say that, well they're getting better. Oh yeah, they only
lost by five. No, no, no, it's only about winning
and losing. That's the only thing you care about. No
moral victory is here, Rob, You just can't do it.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
But again, yeah, it's it's about it's about him being better,
and I think he is getting he's getting that recognition
where it really matters. That's from the people that are
close to him every day, on the day in and
day out basis. They know he's putting in the work.
Obviously there are things he can get better at.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
We know that, but at.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
This but at this point, only his second year and
the first year with a new coach, and his numbers,
if you look at his numbers, they're right up there
with anybody else you would want to throw in, Like
right now, I was going to go out on the
limb right now and tell you this. If you guys
are listening, he's playing better than bow.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Knicks, thank you. If people were giving bow Knicks all
this credit last year.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
And yeah, let's let's talk about how bad he's been
this year, and Caleb Williams have been better than him
right now, right and.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You look at it. You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Nobody last year, said Jered Golf feasted on all those
bad teams in the AFC South last year and put
up all those numbers. Yeah, ohh he just nobody discount
Nobody ever discounted Tom Brady playing against the AFC lee Sorry,
so this is the last time I'm just saying this,
is it? Nobody said, oh, we shouldn't count Brady's wins
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because he's playing against the AFC lee's and Buffalo and
the Jets in Miami. Those are six wins every year
without even trying. So how can you do this now?
To Caleb, it just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
They're doing this.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, moving the gold balls, stop it already eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox. I'm not ready to drink
anybody's bath water. Okay, it's not that kind of a
love thing. I mean, okay much, I love you. I
ain't drinking your bout. Aaron Rodgers had some beautiful balls.
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Oh my god, not on Sunday night, because my god,
they were terrible.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
He did, that's my guy. You know he looked bad.
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Speaker 3 (18:12):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Houschmann Zada, the former Pro Bowl wide receiver and co
host of Up on Game?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
What Up? TJ? How are you man?
Speaker 8 (18:26):
I'm good? Sellers, how I'm doing?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
We're doing in there? TJ?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Well, TJ uh carry and I are so excited, especially me.
I'm a believer with Caleb Williams that I had to
make a song for him.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
So here we go for Caleb Williams. And then I
saw his toss.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I'm a believer.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
And not a trace of down in my mind.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I'm in mom believe I couldn't leave him if.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I tried, djy.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
You crazy DJ.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
My issue here is people keep moving the gold post.
Oh why does he have to come from behind? Do
this about winning games? And he continues to progress. People
were saying just two weeks ago he hadn't progressed it
all from last year. I disagree with that. I think
there's a lot of anti Caleb people out there who
who hope that he fails or doesn't want to see
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him succeed. I think he's progressing nicely. Where are you
on his play of late Man?
Speaker 8 (19:42):
You'd be blind if you say he isn't progressing. Number one,
there are a lot better record wise than they were
last year, So that right there is pruth within itself.
He willed them to the victory yesterday. Ye scramble. It
didn't look like he was even gonna get outside. He
gets outside and goes out the side line scores when
he touchdown. But the people that don't believe he's improved
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or he's improving, keep believing that. Does it matter what
people think and say, because ultimately it's gonna boil down
to one thing, results, As long as he can get
results in the win column. Keep talking, TJ.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I want to no doubt about it. I've always said it. TJ.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Sports has a short menual. It's wins and losses. You
can talk about all the other stuff you want.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, and he's.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
Playing better though, Yes, he's for sure playing better.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Yeah, for sure plan better, TJ. I want to talk
about a team that needs to play better, and that's
your former team, the Bengals. And my god, the reports
out right now that Joe Burrows are back at practice
and he's trying to aim to play that Thanksgiving Day
game against the Ravens. Do you think he should be
rushing back to get back to this mess right now?
Speaker 8 (20:48):
If we can win one of these next couple of games. Yeah,
I mean I was told that he was going to
come back sooner than many expected if our defense wasn't
so asked.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
That's what I'm saying right there, and we need.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
I mean, at this rate, I'm gonna just keep it
a butt. Carrie. You've been training. You can go out there.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I know, I thought I thought about it. Hey, they're
giving those contracts out right now to those safeties. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
You could you could go and let up four touchdowns
and write easily up.
Speaker 8 (21:18):
I mean, you can't do any work. But I feel
like if Flato can win one or both of these
next two games. Just just Joe coming back is going
to bring an energy to the team and excitement to
the to the fans, and so you you always for that.
But if we're out of the playoff picture, I don't
see the point. Man. It's really get healthy and make
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sure you can go on to the offseason healthy again.
And it's just unfortunate, man, I just I've never seen
nothing like this. Man, Like, if you look at the numbers,
they're on pace to be the worst defense in the
history of the league. And this is at some point Wing,
we gotta we gotta have pride in what we do, man,
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have pride in what we do. You you can be bad,
but damn the worst.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah, well, I mean that that game to the Jets,
that was it.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, that was the one. Oh god, yeah that was it.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
No, No, that wasn't it. That after the Jets?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
What's nah?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It was the one after the game that was even worse.
I'm just at the just that the Jets haven't been
able to score, right. And speaking of that, Rob G,
what is that stat with Justin Fields?
Speaker 8 (22:30):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
With Rob G? What's that stat with Justin Fields? With
the games under fifty yards?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Four of his eight starts with the Jets have had
a net under fifty yards.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I mean, I mean, what what are we Justin Fields
can play. It's everybody else where Are you on Justin Fields?
Because I don't. I just can't see it. I mean,
he's been on three teams.
Speaker 8 (22:52):
Now, I'd be a hypocrite. After what I just said
about Taylor Williams. This results, right, and so at the
end when it's all said, justin field is gonna have
to throw the ball to win games.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I just don't like, how are you gonna win with
one dimension? You can't. But they have nobody to throw
the ball to either.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
That's not true. That's not true.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You don't think that's true.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I mean they got they got Mason Taylor at tight end.
That's it. Who else? Gary Wilson's out, No, Garrett's.
Speaker 8 (23:20):
Out went out.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Garrett's out.
Speaker 8 (23:21):
But they so they traded for uh John, They just
they traded for dynam I'm gonna just tell you this
right now, from a pure receiver standpoint, if you put
ever receiver in the National Football League on one field
John Mitchie from a run route, quickness, speed side strip,
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he gonna be one of the top twelve on that field,
and that's every receiver in the league just off a
physical attribute.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, yeah, but he just got him this week.
Speaker 8 (23:49):
I'm telling you, now, you got a d Mitchell. So
you you got two dudes that can run, two dudes
that are quick. And I noticed because I've been on
the field with both of them, they really run. They
are really quick and explosive. So you got weapons. But
I don't know if Justin Fields can get him the
ball accurately enough enough during the game. Can you do
(24:11):
it once or twice yet? But can you do it consistently?
That that's the question.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah. How about the TJ.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Huschmanzad as our guest here on the odd couple of
Fox Sports Radio and Brian day Ball getting whacked, No surprise,
I called for it two weeks ago. But the other
part is the mismanagement of Jackson Dart and just having
him teaching him or whatever not to lower your shoulder
and run into defenders and all these design plays like
(24:39):
trying to drag him out of the concussion tent to
get back on the field. I mean, it looked like
he was trying to save his job and not thinking
long term about the quarterback.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
Jackson Dart's mentality. He just a dog like well don't
you right? Yeah? Yeah, like that his mentality. He was
like that in college. I've been knowing Jack and Dark
since he was in high school. That's his mentality. He
just he has an Italian That's what makes him the
type of player he is.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Now.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
You we we can disagree or agree whether Davell should
have been fired. I say this, what good does it
do to fire him this year? What good does it do?
You're gonna get worse now. You were bad winning, You're
gonna get worse now.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
But I but but I just at some point you
gotta be It's not it's the right.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
It's what I'm saying, is.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
Fire at the end of the season. Look what the
Jets did with Roberts Salad. Did they get better? They
get worse when they fired him. Yeah, I get it.
But at some point, yeah, but it's.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, but you just blew your fourth game.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
It's a it's a combination of both and and you
gotta remember you're paying customers, you have people there, and
and is it always fair? No, it's not always fair,
but it usually comes off of something which was four
games where you blew in the fourth quarter where.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
You had double digit leads, and if you just.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Say, well, we're just gonna ride it out and we're
couldn't do anything about it, that's not what fans want.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
They want to.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
Don't do anything about it. I'm saying fire him at
the end of the season if that's what you feel. One,
he's an offensive guy. Yes, he's in charge of everything.
Defense has to play better. You you have that defensive
line and that defense. They got to bring no games home.
Some what you want, you got to bring no games home.
And then go to yesterday, Jackson dark gets hurt. Russe
(26:26):
Wilson can't play man. They should have put Jameis Winston.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
In the game, all right.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
So then there's another argument on dable, right. Uh, I
mean Jamons Winston wasn't even active. That couldn't He wasn't
gonna go all right, so he couldn't even play yesterday.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
So uh, that's.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
Another Jameis Winston on Sunday. Jameis Winston is my starting quarterback.
That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I hear you.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Until Jameis Winston gets in and then he throws four
intercepject I mean we've seen it.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
I mean just gonna throw inception and he gonna throw
for it.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
You're right, am I right though, I'm I'm just asking you.
I'm asking you like like he does do that.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
Hey, if you're a fan, I'd rather have four touchdowns
and four interceptions the two touchdowns, I mean, no touchdowns
and two interceptions. I'd rather some excitement of let down,
some excitement of letdown, just a bunch of just letdowns.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I just looked at it on the Giant schedule and
I think Jameis Winston is going to start the next
game because it's crab leg night.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Oh my god, here we go, he.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
J Come on, man before tea, take it out of here,
j who's your best team in AFC right now?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (27:35):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
On the spot?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Put you on the spot.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
It's the two team race right now between the Patriots
and the coach.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Isn't that crazy. I don't believe either one of them,
Either one.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
Of them, you know, the way they.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Play, neither one will be in the AMC Championship.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
Get team Rob.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I'm still taking the Baltimore Ravens to run the table.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
I gotta be perfect, man, they got to be perfect.
That's hard to be. That's hard they're only one game back.
Wait wait, wait, wait, mister Rod Parker, mister Rod Parker,
is this the same Rob Parker from three weeks ago
that told me they should fire her ball? But now
they got they gonna.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Run only because only because I believe in the quarterback
and he's back.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I believe in the quarterback, not the coach, but the quarterback.
All right, sure, okay, you called him out.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Huh, that's why I ain't t J. It's all good,
but don't forget to pick him that. Don't forget to download.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
My new single. Okay, you gotta download the new single.
Speaker 8 (28:36):
Okay, Hey, I'm gonna download it a hundred times, just
from my boy. I got you every device I got.
I'm gonna make my kids and everybody in my family download.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
They gonna hate you, TAJ. TJ. Thank you appreciating y'all.
Take care your doubt
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Rob g Let's go here.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And there was big news, big news you could use
in the NFL when this afternoon, not to my surprise,
someone lost their gig, Rob Gi.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Yeah, Rob, you're never wrong, You're just early. That's what
I figured out. Oh way, that kind of stuff. Hey,
I was early on this one. Two weeks after Rob
Parker demanded that he be fired, the New York Football
Giants have decided to cut ties with that Brian day Ball,
one day after they blew a ten point lead in
the last four minutes of a game for the second
(01:07):
time this season. All right, they've now blown four games
when leading by double digit this season. They've lost eleven
straight road games. It was all bad for Brian day Ball.
And that's not the only reason. I don't know if
you guys saw this, but Jackson Dart Prize rookie quarterback,
first round draft pick, he looks very very good. Everyone's
(01:27):
very excited about him. Entered into the concussion protocol for
the fourth time already this season, and San Die was
officially diagnosed with a concussion. Well, ZB plays this week,
but that is the big story. Brian Day ball out
in New York.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Kerry I called for two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And even more after yesterday's game because it's not okay.
We could talk about the loss of the double digit
leads and the fourth quarters and the implosions and come on,
they had the Bears beat, they couldn't close the deal and.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Killer Williams played well. They should have won that game. Okay,
the Giants didn't win the game.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
But my reason is because of the way he's handled
Jackson Dark Like, that's the when you look at it,
here's a desperate coach playing for his gig. He's designing
plays for this kid to run into to the defense
and lower his shoulder and all this stuff. You remember
he was in the tent yelling at the doctor. Get
(02:30):
him back out of there or whatever. Give him some
smell of sauce, whatever it is, like, get him out there.
That's the other part of it, that's the dangerous part.
No stop what the design plays for him to run,
and you have to be able to coach him to understand.
You don't have to get every yard carried. You don't
(02:51):
have to lower your shoulder and go into a defender.
It's okay to get the necessary yards and get out
of bounds or slide down to avoid. It's a long game,
a long term game. As a quarterback, it ain't about
another yard or two for you to take a big hit.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
It makes no sense. I would have said, Jackson Dart,
do you.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Understand why in practice you have on a special jersey
and people know not to touch you.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
There's a reason for that, all right. If it wasn't,
if it didn't matter, they wouldn't do that. Am I right?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
My god, Brian day Ball, I told you two weeks ago,
pack your bags. The only bad thing is the general
managers should have gone to I don't know what they're
waiting on that.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, but this had to happen.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
The ways handled Jackson Dart and the losing and not
being able to close out games, I mean, come on
enough already.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yeah, the losing won't be tolerated with the Giants, obviously
they've been bad the last three years, had a lot
of success in their franchise though, right, and so they
won't stand for it. But with Brian day Ball, it's
such a funny thing. The NFL in life in general,
is such a fickle a fickle proposition. Right, they lost
four games leading by double digits. Right, if they won
(04:10):
those games, we wouldn't be having these conversations, right, So
obviously there's some mishandling with what he's doing and in
game situations.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Right, for you to get a lead, for you to
have a ten point lead, exactly different if you get
blown out carried and you can't you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And it's like, well you're just overmatched.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah no, and that's good. Accept that's part of it. Right,
So operation wise, something is off. But it just shows
you the NFL though, in my opinion, Like I know
Brian dave Ball very well. He was working on the
offense when I was there in New York. He was
came over with Manginie and so I saw him come
up from the ranks through the process. Really good guy
knows football, knows how to do it. He's developed quarterbacks
(04:46):
like Josh Allen like he can do those things. But
when you're the main man, there's so much more like
management and handling things, handling and knowing the tenor of
your team. You have to remove yourself from your egoing.
And when I watched Brian Davi and you just talked
about it, it's all about ego.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
He's trying to save his job.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
He got his quarterback, the one that he wanted, and
he was going to run him into the ground. And
so the fact that he is gone it makes sense
to me. I never want to see it happen, but
it makes use.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Of course, not nobody's rooting for people to lose their jobs,
but this is not You're not a Supreme Court justice
or a pope. Everybody gets whacked, Rob g how many
times have I been whacked? I've been whacked, and I'll
get whacked.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
More times, Alex, forget about that. You know what you're
doing with that one. You're not fooling anybody. What I'm
just saying.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You know how many times they told me, Rob, give
us your key and clicker?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
You know what I meane? Times the station? How many
times I.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I've probably been fired about five or six times in
my career, you know, and I just say okay. I
always say this robs you on my way out? Is
the producer all right? Does he have his gig? Is
he cool? And they say, yeah, he's not going anywhere. Okay,
I'll leave. Okay, here's my address, send me the rest
of my money and I leave.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Okay. So I get it. You don't kick over the
trash cans. No, I'm not doing all that slamming papers
and that's knock over the pens on the way out.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
When you look at me and you say, this guy
has survived forty years.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Next year's forty years.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
January sixth, nineteen eighty six is when I started my career.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Forty years coming up in less than two months. You
gotta have some good relationships. Then, gotta have relationships.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
You have to be able to take it on the
chin sometimes even if it's not your fault, even if
things you know what I mean, Like, sometimes people make decisions.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
In this case, Brian dave Ball could be a great guy.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Nobody's talking about him as a father and a husband
and a guy or you want to have a beer
with yeah, but as a head football coach, no, And
it was obvious at the end. And again I said
it two weeks ago and now you look at him
where he is medical tent thing did play because you
(07:02):
remember the Giants got fine big by the NFL, and
so did he get fine because that was when it
became obvious that you know, he was looking out for
number one.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
And you know what's crazy about this, He finally he
got his quarterback, right, he was this is the quarterback
he went to bat for. And the GM Joe Shane
was like, no, this is Brian Dave balls pick like
he was trying to clear himself from.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Any other now, right, and now he's the guy.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
That's still standing. Which is it? Just that part doesn't
make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
It doesn't And they and they claim, like I saw
the press release something like like they feel like they
got the roster or whatever. But I was like, I
don't know, there's been a lot of mistakes. I don't
know how he's still around after the Sequans not on
the team and Daniel Jones, So just think about that,
that right there should disqualify you as GM. Now you
(07:55):
don't have either one of those guys. You mishandled both
of them, right, and both of them are on. So
how in the world can you look at this guy,
look him in the face and think that he's done
a great job there.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It's terrible, But there's a lot of bad owners and
bad management. It's just a lot.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
It all stars there, Rob it does it just it
all starts at the top.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I've always said that the Lions having not won a
Super Bowl ever by accident. You know what I mean.
It's not by accident. It's because you just haven't done
the right things or had hired the right people. The
Jets have been bad since Moby Dick was a guppy.
It's because you've had true not true. We had a
run there in the two thousands.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Remember that he's still having a run.
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Speaker 1 (09:18):
There was somebody who people have just they just want
to be right, like like they they want to be
right that they think Caleb Williams can't play like that's
it's just a I don't know, a march in order. Well,
what's the right word, A narrative that has just been
out there no matter what.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Uh you know. John Middlecoff is a former Scout, right.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I heard him say that he had he hadn't progressed
at all the last two like at all. This was
like a couple of weeks ago. So I just looked
at that and said, what I hadn't progressed at all?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Then was that guy's name? Is it Dan Kelly? That
crazy scout x scalt a friend of the show, Daniel
ke Yes, we need Daniel Kelly back on. He said
he was a bust like he he what he said,
he says he's a he said he's going to be
a bust and he's a bust or something we had
him back on pre draft grade is bust bus right?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And and I'm like, and then I.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Guess, Matt, you didn't think of that. Rhy pre draft
grade would have thought of that.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And then he also like right, rob G, like was
coming up with stats to say, like the supporters thing.
Even now, even with the winds and six and three
record and the comebacks, he's still chiming with this stuff.
And I'm like, how could you use that term bust right?
When you have Ryan Leeve, jamarket Russell, those are busted.
(10:49):
How can you even put Caleb Williams in that conversation
with those guys and and Carrie? I just Rob G,
he played well can you just with the Bear but
with the Bears bereating the Giant?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Just yeah, you know, a raiser. I'm people who thinks
that Kaitlin is not very good. So full disclosure, I'm
not a.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Fan of this. You're not. You don't think he's a bus.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
No, I just don't think he's I think he's in
the middle of the road quarterback. Okay, okay, so that's so.
But anyways, I had to eat some crow because I
was texting us hard in the group chat. Noayl Williams
had another comeback win, his fourth of the season, is
fifth since the end of.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Last season, both the most in the NFL seven and
three in his last ten.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Seven and three is looking really really good now. Was
passing numbers twenty of thirty six two twenty touchdown not great,
but his receivers were credit was six drops, so you
get that into.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
A in the middle of the game. There was one
throwing through in the end zone. Did you see that one,
Rob Gez? The key is just right off his hands,
like like I'm not it would have been a great catch. Yeah,
but was it catchable for NFL wide receiver. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
But where he really showed out and where he really
made his money was in the fourth quarter, especially with
his legs. Fifty two yards on the ground in the
fourth quarter, include the game winning touchdown run. After the game,
had his head coach Ben Johnson speaking glowly of his quarterback.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
He looks like a Houdini back there in the backfield, because,
like I said, that's a really good pass rushing front
that they've given a lot of teams fits. I think
Burns is leading the NFL in sacks and so there
are times where he's trying to escape and making some
things happen. He had a couple throws down the field,
but like you said, over fifty yards again rushing for
(12:27):
the second week in a row. And I thought in
the fourth quarter there we really needed that as a
shot in the arm to end up winning that ball game.
So credit to him.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
One of his teammates show greatness in the background, which
was cool, you know what I mean. He got the
game ball and he just put his head down and work.
He's not listening to all the noise. And I this
just an anti And I've said it before and I'll
say it again. A lot of people don't like him
because he's a different cat, that's all right. And you
notice in football, they want you to be the same.
They want you to be a robot. They want you
(12:58):
to live and breathe football nothing else matters. They don't
want you to paint your nails, they don't want you
to cry to your mom. All that it should be about,
can you play like nothing else? I just don't understand,
you know, Like you can talk about the Bears having
had a quarterback since Sid Luckman, Okay, like they've had
a quarterback forever in a day and I don't know
(13:22):
if you want to just sit here and keep it well,
you know, Cam Newton was spouting today, Oh you shouldn't
be down.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Which one is it?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
When Aaron Rodgers doesn't have and then Green Bay didn't
have a lot of comeback victories because he was always ahead.
They used that as he can't come back. Then Tom
Brady had a lot of comeback. They use that as
a positive. Oh loo, Tom Brady man things. Push comes
to show he always bails out the team. Which one
is it? Caleb doesn't throw interceptions and if you force
(13:54):
him he stay And I watched he was in the
pocket and when he had to get out of pocket,
he got out of pocket and made big plays. I
just I think he's developing nicely. I'm not saying he's
the next coming of anybody. I just I just think
that he's progressing nicely. What don't you like from the
(14:15):
stuff that you see?
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Well, Rob, he's a victim of expectations, right, I mean,
people were saying he's gonna be the best draft prospect
that court at the quarterback position since whoever the last
great was, right, that's that's what Sister Louisiana proaches. Was
an ask, right, right, So that's that's the he's falling
victim to that. But also he's falling victim to the
thing that you just said, and I think you hit
(14:36):
it on the head is people don't like him.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
They think he's different. He isn't.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
He isn't your quarterback from your grand your grandfather's day
when you know he got the bloody face and he
got the picture of his elbow scraped up, and he's
gritty and he's the guy that can go win your
game that way. He's not that guy. He's a guy that,
like you said, he's progressed. I think at a that
people thought it was a little bit slow for their taste.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
And that's fine.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
But when your head coach, who openly criticized you at
the beginning of the year has changed his tenor on
you and said, no, he's progressing at a really nice
rate right now, and we like what he's doing. And
now the teammates are speaking openly about him as well. Yes,
you know he's won over the locker room and he
has the goods.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
To get it. You know this carry you.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Got games you're about to lose, and this dude is
coming up with big throws and winning games winning. I
say it all the time. Sports has a short menu
wins and losses, nothing else.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Carrie. At the you don't.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
You don't leave the locker room during your jet stage
or Cardinals days to go, well, good, good thing, We're
only lost by five. No, nobody, because I hear people
say that, well they're getting better. Oh yeah, they only
lost by five. No, no, no, it's only about winning
and losing. That's the only thing you care about. No
moral victory is here, Rob, You just can't do it.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
But again, yeah, it's it's about it's about him being better,
and I think he is getting he's getting that recognition
where it really matters. That's from the people that are
close to him every day, on the day in and
day out basis. They know he's putting in the work.
Obviously there are things he can get better at.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
We know that, but at.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
This but at this point, only his second year and
the first year with a new coach, and his numbers,
if you look at his numbers, they're right up there
with anybody else you would want to throw in, Like
right now, I was going to go out on the
limb right now and tell you this. If you guys
are listening, he's playing better than bow.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Knicks, thank you. If people were giving bow Knicks all
this credit last year.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
And yeah, let's let's talk about how bad he's been
this year, and Caleb Williams have been better than him
right now, right and.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You look at it. You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Nobody last year, said Jered Golf feasted on all those
bad teams in the AFC South last year and put
up all those numbers. Yeah, ohh he just nobody discount
Nobody ever discounted Tom Brady playing against the AFC lee Sorry,
so this is the last time I'm just saying this,
is it? Nobody said, oh, we shouldn't count Brady's wins
(17:11):
because he's playing against the AFC lee's and Buffalo and
the Jets in Miami. Those are six wins every year
without even trying. So how can you do this now?
To Caleb, it just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
They're doing this.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, moving the gold balls, stop it already eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox. I'm not ready to drink
anybody's bath water. Okay, it's not that kind of a
love thing. I mean, okay much, I love you. I
ain't drinking your bout. Aaron Rodgers had some beautiful balls.
(17:47):
Oh my god, not on Sunday night, because my god,
they were terrible.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
He did, that's my guy. You know he looked bad.
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Speaker 3 (18:12):
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Speaker 3 (18:23):
What Up? TJ? How are you man?
Speaker 8 (18:26):
I'm good? Sellers, how I'm doing?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
We're doing in there? TJ?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Well, TJ uh carry and I are so excited, especially me.
I'm a believer with Caleb Williams that I had to
make a song for him.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
So here we go for Caleb Williams. And then I
saw his toss.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I'm a believer.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
And not a trace of down in my mind.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I'm in mom believe I couldn't leave him if.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I tried, djy.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
You crazy DJ.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
My issue here is people keep moving the gold post.
Oh why does he have to come from behind? Do
this about winning games? And he continues to progress. People
were saying just two weeks ago he hadn't progressed it
all from last year. I disagree with that. I think
there's a lot of anti Caleb people out there who
who hope that he fails or doesn't want to see
(19:36):
him succeed. I think he's progressing nicely. Where are you
on his play of late Man?
Speaker 8 (19:42):
You'd be blind if you say he isn't progressing. Number one,
there are a lot better record wise than they were
last year, So that right there is pruth within itself.
He willed them to the victory yesterday. Ye scramble. It
didn't look like he was even gonna get outside. He
gets outside and goes out the side line scores when
he touchdown. But the people that don't believe he's improved
(20:07):
or he's improving, keep believing that. Does it matter what
people think and say, because ultimately it's gonna boil down
to one thing, results, As long as he can get
results in the win column. Keep talking, TJ.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I want to no doubt about it. I've always said it. TJ.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Sports has a short menual. It's wins and losses. You
can talk about all the other stuff you want.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, and he's.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
Playing better though, Yes, he's for sure playing better.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Yeah, for sure plan better, TJ. I want to talk
about a team that needs to play better, and that's
your former team, the Bengals. And my god, the reports
out right now that Joe Burrows are back at practice
and he's trying to aim to play that Thanksgiving Day
game against the Ravens. Do you think he should be
rushing back to get back to this mess right now?
Speaker 8 (20:48):
If we can win one of these next couple of games. Yeah,
I mean I was told that he was going to
come back sooner than many expected if our defense wasn't
so asked.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
That's what I'm saying right there, and we need.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
I mean, at this rate, I'm gonna just keep it
a butt. Carrie. You've been training. You can go out there.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I know, I thought I thought about it. Hey, they're
giving those contracts out right now to those safeties. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
You could you could go and let up four touchdowns
and write easily up.
Speaker 8 (21:18):
I mean, you can't do any work. But I feel
like if Flato can win one or both of these
next two games. Just just Joe coming back is going
to bring an energy to the team and excitement to
the to the fans, and so you you always for that.
But if we're out of the playoff picture, I don't
see the point. Man. It's really get healthy and make
(21:41):
sure you can go on to the offseason healthy again.
And it's just unfortunate, man, I just I've never seen
nothing like this. Man, Like, if you look at the numbers,
they're on pace to be the worst defense in the
history of the league. And this is at some point Wing,
we gotta we gotta have pride in what we do, man,
(22:04):
have pride in what we do. You you can be bad,
but damn the worst.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah, well, I mean that that game to the Jets,
that was it.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, that was the one. Oh god, yeah that was it.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
No, No, that wasn't it. That after the Jets?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
What's nah?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It was the one after the game that was even worse.
I'm just at the just that the Jets haven't been
able to score, right. And speaking of that, Rob G,
what is that stat with Justin Fields?
Speaker 8 (22:30):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
With Rob G? What's that stat with Justin Fields? With
the games under fifty yards?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Four of his eight starts with the Jets have had
a net under fifty yards.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I mean, I mean, what what are we Justin Fields
can play. It's everybody else where Are you on Justin Fields?
Because I don't. I just can't see it. I mean,
he's been on three teams.
Speaker 8 (22:52):
Now, I'd be a hypocrite. After what I just said
about Taylor Williams. This results, right, and so at the
end when it's all said, justin field is gonna have
to throw the ball to win games.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I just don't like, how are you gonna win with
one dimension? You can't. But they have nobody to throw
the ball to either.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
That's not true. That's not true.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You don't think that's true.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I mean they got they got Mason Taylor at tight end.
That's it. Who else? Gary Wilson's out, No, Garrett's.
Speaker 8 (23:20):
Out went out.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Garrett's out.
Speaker 8 (23:21):
But they so they traded for uh John, They just
they traded for dynam I'm gonna just tell you this
right now, from a pure receiver standpoint, if you put
ever receiver in the National Football League on one field
John Mitchie from a run route, quickness, speed side strip,
(23:41):
he gonna be one of the top twelve on that field,
and that's every receiver in the league just off a
physical attribute.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, yeah, but he just got him this week.
Speaker 8 (23:49):
I'm telling you, now, you got a d Mitchell. So
you you got two dudes that can run, two dudes
that are quick. And I noticed because I've been on
the field with both of them, they really run. They
are really quick and explosive. So you got weapons. But
I don't know if Justin Fields can get him the
ball accurately enough enough during the game. Can you do
(24:11):
it once or twice yet? But can you do it consistently?
That that's the question.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah. How about the TJ.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Huschmanzad as our guest here on the odd couple of
Fox Sports Radio and Brian day Ball getting whacked, No surprise,
I called for it two weeks ago. But the other
part is the mismanagement of Jackson Dart and just having
him teaching him or whatever not to lower your shoulder
and run into defenders and all these design plays like
(24:39):
trying to drag him out of the concussion tent to
get back on the field. I mean, it looked like
he was trying to save his job and not thinking
long term about the quarterback.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
Jackson Dart's mentality. He just a dog like well don't
you right? Yeah? Yeah, like that his mentality. He was
like that in college. I've been knowing Jack and Dark
since he was in high school. That's his mentality. He
just he has an Italian That's what makes him the
type of player he is.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Now.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
You we we can disagree or agree whether Davell should
have been fired. I say this, what good does it
do to fire him this year? What good does it do?
You're gonna get worse now. You were bad winning, You're
gonna get worse now.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
But I but but I just at some point you
gotta be It's not it's the right.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
It's what I'm saying, is.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
Fire at the end of the season. Look what the
Jets did with Roberts Salad. Did they get better? They
get worse when they fired him. Yeah, I get it.
But at some point, yeah, but it's.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, but you just blew your fourth game.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
It's a it's a combination of both and and you
gotta remember you're paying customers, you have people there, and
and is it always fair? No, it's not always fair,
but it usually comes off of something which was four
games where you blew in the fourth quarter where.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
You had double digit leads, and if you just.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Say, well, we're just gonna ride it out and we're
couldn't do anything about it, that's not what fans want.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
They want to.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
Don't do anything about it. I'm saying fire him at
the end of the season if that's what you feel. One,
he's an offensive guy. Yes, he's in charge of everything.
Defense has to play better. You you have that defensive
line and that defense. They got to bring no games home.
Some what you want, you got to bring no games home.
And then go to yesterday, Jackson dark gets hurt. Russe
(26:26):
Wilson can't play man. They should have put Jameis Winston.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
In the game, all right.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
So then there's another argument on dable, right. Uh, I
mean Jamons Winston wasn't even active. That couldn't He wasn't
gonna go all right, so he couldn't even play yesterday.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
So uh, that's.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
Another Jameis Winston on Sunday. Jameis Winston is my starting quarterback.
That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I hear you.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Until Jameis Winston gets in and then he throws four
intercepject I mean we've seen it.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
I mean just gonna throw inception and he gonna throw
for it.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
You're right, am I right though, I'm I'm just asking you.
I'm asking you like like he does do that.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
Hey, if you're a fan, I'd rather have four touchdowns
and four interceptions the two touchdowns, I mean, no touchdowns
and two interceptions. I'd rather some excitement of let down,
some excitement of letdown, just a bunch of just letdowns.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I just looked at it on the Giant schedule and
I think Jameis Winston is going to start the next
game because it's crab leg night.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Oh my god, here we go, he.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
J Come on, man before tea, take it out of here,
j who's your best team in AFC right now?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (27:35):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
On the spot?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Put you on the spot.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
It's the two team race right now between the Patriots
and the coach.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Isn't that crazy. I don't believe either one of them,
Either one.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
Of them, you know, the way they.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Play, neither one will be in the AMC Championship.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
Get team Rob.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I'm still taking the Baltimore Ravens to run the table.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
I gotta be perfect, man, they got to be perfect.
That's hard to be. That's hard they're only one game back.
Wait wait, wait, wait, mister Rod Parker, mister Rod Parker,
is this the same Rob Parker from three weeks ago
that told me they should fire her ball? But now
they got they gonna.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Run only because only because I believe in the quarterback
and he's back.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I believe in the quarterback, not the coach, but the quarterback.
All right, sure, okay, you called him out.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Huh, that's why I ain't t J. It's all good,
but don't forget to pick him that. Don't forget to download.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
My new single. Okay, you gotta download the new single.
Speaker 8 (28:36):
Okay, Hey, I'm gonna download it a hundred times, just
from my boy. I got you every device I got.
I'm gonna make my kids and everybody in my family download.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
They gonna hate you, TAJ. TJ. Thank you appreciating y'all.
Take care your doubt
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