December 8, 2025 • 32 mins
Rob and Kelvin argue whether this lost season for the Kansas City Chiefs is a black eye on the legacy of Patrick Mahomes, debate whether Caleb Williams showed in the Bears’ loss to Green Bay that he’s the weakest link in Chicago, and tell us if Josh Allen is under added pressure to make the Super Bowl now that the rest of the best QBs in the AFC are expected to miss the postseason altogether.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Kansas City Chiefs been in the Super Bowl basically since
Moby Dick was a Guppy. They ain't looking like they're
gonna be back there this year. They fall to six
and seven on the season after losing last night at
the Houston Texans. They will now officially have zero chance
of winning the AFC West for the first time in
a decade, and their chances of making the postseason are
a blistering twelve percent. They'd have to win out and
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need a thousand other things to break their way just
to make the playoffs. Right now, it's the official and
the crumbling of Chiefs Kingdom.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
No doubt, and I want to go here.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
And I told you Kelvin Washington, I told you a
couple listeners. I told you all you forty X players
who are analysts on television. I told you Patrick Mahomes
has not been the same guy for years now, and
people have continued to make excuses. Even last night, they're
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still making excuses. Fourteen for thirty three, three interceptions, no touchdowns,
and you want to talk about.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Then you need a drafts O the drops.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I thought when he got all of his play wide
receivers back Kelvin, they were off and running. That's what
your contention was that it was because he didn't have
his guys. All of his wide receivers are healthy and
all playing. And guess what the last four games when
they needed him one touchdown and six interceptions. Why can't
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we acknowledge? Oh did you see Kelsey? That wasn't a
well thrown baller was thrown behind him. Wait, he would
have if he made that catch, it would have been
a great catch. I had the nerve to listen to
Dan Orlowsky this morning talk about he's the greatest player
on the planet since win.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
You mean the guy didn't get.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
One first place MVP vote despite going fifteen to one
as a starter last year.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Come on, you guys are living.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
In the past. The Chiefs haven't been good. I know
they went to the Super Bowl. I told you last
year they were lucky at Sin and it all caught up.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
To him this year.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I don't want to hear any excuses about Patrick Mahomes.
He hasn't played well. Why can't we acknowledge that? Why
can't everybody else always excuses?
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Oh Andy, we went four on fourth.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Down on a thirty one yard Oh Chelsey, he hit
the ball hit him? Oh was she right? He dropped
the ball off for it. That That's all I heard.
Patrick Mahomes didn't make every throw either. Did you watch
the game? Did you watch the highlights? He didn't make
all the throws and he hasn't been making the throws.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
This has been a process.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
That's why I said before the season that they wouldn't
make the playoffs, not based on because some hate. Where's
all the Chiefs Kingdom people who were on Twitter that
I was washed, I was a washed reporter and I'm
a hater and I'm just looking for clicks. We're all
those guys. When I tried to tell you, yeah, I'm
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sure you can't find those guys today because they didn't
want to hear it.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
When you get into fandom, you can't look at stuff
fairly and honestly because you become jaded and you think
everything is everybody else's fault. The last thing for you, Kelvin,
the reason the Chiefs aren't going.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
To the playoffs, are you ready? Is Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Not the defense which is seventh best in the NFL,
not the receivers, not Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
It's Patrick Mahomes is to blame.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
He is the reason why the Chiefs are not gonna
make the playoffs. And go to YouTube and go see
the video. I said a couple of weeks ago that
same thing. The reason the Chiefs won't make the playoffs
will be because of Patrick Mahomes and the.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Offense, and that's why they are where they are.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
The Chiefs are playing bad football. There's no way around it.
They're playing bad football as an offensive unit. At times,
they're playing that being out coached. Andy Reid probably for
the first time in his life, has to admit that
that he has not been He's been out coaching. He
hasn't been coaching will Patrick Mahomes is missing passes that
he normally makes. Patrick Mahomes is forcing things. You got
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guys who are dropping balls that normally don't. So this
is they look bad in totality, with the defense withstanding,
that might be the only unit that for the most
part of this whole season has looked good.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
A couple of things. I don't agree with you on
number one.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
I don't agree if you're saying this season, I'm with you.
But if you're saying including last year, I don't agree
with that. Last year, and obviously we talked about it
throughout the season. Last year, he was making those plays
that would get them to win.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
He was making those third down comarade.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I wanted to get an MVP vote if he was,
if he was making the plays that no, no, I'm
using your words. Yeah, if he made the plays that
helped him win fifteen go fifteen and one, why did
he not? Why did he not get one first place
MVP vote? Because you won't be able to answer it
because what you're saying is illogical.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
That's first of all, it's factual. That's I don't even
know why you brought that up. That's proved. I was
telling you this all last year. He was the highest
third down conversion by far last year and even half
of the season. So he makes the play, the winning
play that's not debatable. We're talking about last season. You
asked why didn't get an MVP vote.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Because Lamar Jackson. You remember I set up here and
said it right sext to you that he's the best player.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen were insane last year. So
him being fifteen to two and winging the Super Bowl,
getting to the Super doesn't mean he had to be
the m v P.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Him making third down conversions.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
They were limitedlessly from what I said, he made the
winning To listen to what I said, I'm talking about,
so one in one vote, not just win the MVP
answered question.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
And winning because the other got.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
One vote, because the other guys, including Joe Burrow.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
No, we're insane. He got in all him and watched him.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
They went they were fifteen and one in Mahomes' starts.
Because you just not why he just because I thought
it was winning.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
You know you answer questions, okay, so that if you
could ask, let me answer. So like I said, it's
because he only made a handful of plays each game.
Lamar was making fifteen to twenty, Josh Allen was making
fifteen to twenty, Joe Burrow's making ten to fifteen a game.
That's why he realized with his defense kept him in games.
Don't turn over too much stick around. I can make
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a player or two, and that is why those play
or two aren't working this year. Those guys that make
plays aside from him, it's not working this year. So
they'll denying it and they have to go to the
drawing board and figure out what's next. Andy Reid has
to figure out what next, the designing of the plays.
Patrick Mahomes has to go to the drawing board and
realize what I'm doing isn't working. They absolutely have to
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look at house guys. They may have to start. Chris
Jones has played really well yesterday. Can we get some form?
Can we trade? They're gonna have to look at themselves
and really make a hard reset at some point. I
don't agree that has been singularly Patrick Mahomes, But I
have some numbers.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Can I give you numbers? They got numbers.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Mahomes has a sixty eight point six passer rating on
deep passes that's third worst of the thirty six qualifiers,
ranked near the bottom for NFL on deep ball completions
thirty two percent more. And while he's uh while being
top three in deep ball attempts fifty five.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
He's so he's thoring them a lot. He's just not
hitting them.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And my point to you is you set up here
on this very radio show when you talked about getting
Withshi Rice back and worthy and that no, and you
proclaimed that he was going to be the MVP and
they were going to go to the super Bowl because
Patrick got his mojo and got his receivers back and
that and that and that is what was stopping him.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
So will you take that back that it had nothing
to do with that?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
And that's about it with Patrick Mahomes playing badly, playing like.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Absolutely, why can't go trash? He is playing bad, without
a doubt. They are bad as a team, without a doubt,
There's no deny. Their record is what they are close
games that they normally win, they have it. They put
themselves in a hole yesterday, he's throwing some balls off.
They're not catching balls again, Andy Reid being freaked out
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and doing stuff he doesn't normally do. They look bad
as a unit and this year is gonna be a
tough year for them to look in the mirror. Absolutely,
I thought they would bounce back. They had a good
stretch where they were putting up some points. Then it
went downhill the last three or four weeks. Without a doubt,
I was wrong on that. I have no problem admitting
that they look bad as a team this year and
are getting it done, especially Rob two point.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
They're losing a good teams too.
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Speaker 6 (10:16):
We had, of course a big game divisional game, Rob.
We had the Packers and the Bears going at it
in a game that those two are tops of the NFC,
right now, Rob g this is a tough division. We
knew it would be coming into last year, going into
this season as well, and to our surprise to a
lot of people, at least the Bears are leading it.
But not a good game for the Bears as a whole,
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specifically Kayleb Williams.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Well, they were leading it as a thing.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
They were ranked number one of the NFC heading into
Sunday's game against the Green Bay Packers. With that loss,
they fell all the way to seven. That's how tightly
bunch of things are of the NFC. In fact, all
of the analytics projections say that with that loss, the
Bears are now projected to miss the playoffs. In entirely
this forty eight hours after being number one of the conference.
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There's a lot about what's going on there. And it
really was, as you mentioned, a tale of two halves
for Kayler Williams, because he started off quite frankly, just
terribly all right in the first half.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Like Patrick Mahomes go ahead.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
In the first half six of fourteen thirty two.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Passing yards, but that he's been known to do, really
turned it up there in the second half one hundred
and sixty four total yards, two touchdowns, one hundred and
twenty one passer rating.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
A just a completion rate of eighty six point four percent.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
That is, until his very very last pass of the game,
fourth down, rather than taking the first down, goes for
it all in the end zone, intercepted to seal the
game and the loss for Chicago.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
Yeah, and listen, this is where to me as they
head into the end of the season, and this is
where we're gonna also see what they're really made of.
A couple of things to know, We talk about this
all the time, Rob and I Rob Gidat. You gotta
play who's in front of you, right, You can't control
the schedule when they make it months in advance.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
But ways we talked about it with the Bears.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
The reason why I haven't been sold on them is
because of how they look throughout this season.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
You look back at some of these.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Games and they barely beat teams that you're supposed to destroy.
To be when you look at them as the number
one seed the NFC, they beat your Raiders by one,
They beat the Commanders by one, both Stame's exact score
twenty five to twenty four. They go on to barely
beat the Bengals. They barely beat the Giants by four.
I mean they barely beat the Vikings again by two.
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So they they go on and on and on, and
when they play the quality teams they have lost. They
got a great win, absolutely good win for them when
they beat the Eagles a halful of weeks ago, so
definitely credit there.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
But this is where it got.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Two weeks ago in Philadelphia, ways ago, two weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
That was before they played this guy. Yes, wait, that's
what you jumped.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I said a few you said two okay, two weeks ago, yes, okay, okay.
Is this argument and what you're about to talk about
your relaxiculous you relax your might go off and let
you please turn it off to read.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
My god, I've never heard anything Why like this? Why
you're so emotional?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Because because because you're right, you know what one for
every weekend, Paul pity, And here you talk about they
only want.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
His name is Williams, not Caleb Parker.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
His name is kayl not Cal only one by his
name is twenty points every game.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
This is this is off.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Guess what happened? This is lost, they lost. This is
where you're so emotional because this is where it's not one.
He's not one of your mentees. He's not one of
your mentees. He's not you don't know him. You don't
know him.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
You can relax. You get so fired up, I sit
up there and let you go. By the Chiefs. It
was okay, you jump right in. Look at you. Why.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
I don't understand why you get so emotional. It's who
saw rob. You can let me go. Then you can
talk as well. And it's the same. This is why
you're hilarious to be robed. The level of hypocrisy is
entertaining to me because you sit up here and talk
about Will's the losses. Yet the Lions went fifteen and
two last year. Every week you found a reason why
they weren't good. The Chiefs went fifteen and two last year.
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You talked about every single reason why good. And then
you talk about the Steelers and they'll barely win games,
and well they did this, what they did this? Then
Kayler Williams, we can't criticize Caleb, No, we can't. We
get criticize Patrick and this person and Jared Goff and
Matthew Stafford, but we can't criticize Kayler Williams. So as
I was steady before I was so rudely interrupted. They
barely beat bad teams. That is where myself and some
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others will say, I don't know how I feel about
the Bears. They're barely beating the bad teams. And then
you say, but credit them for Hey, you beat who's
on the schedule. And if you start to look at
why you I am concerned to why I feel like
there's still a lot of room to be designed for
them to get better. Is because the poor performance from
Kayleb Williams. He has talked about how bad he looked
in the first half of that game. We talked about
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we've talked about where he has been throughout this season.
He has terrible passes. You're talking about on target, He's
one of the worst in that he's thirty fourth, there's
only thirty two starting quarterbacks in completion percentage at fifty
seven right now. He also is eighteenth in QUBU rating,
he's nineteenth in QBR and he is eleventh in passing guard.
So my issue has simply been for them, their ceiling
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where they could be a legitimate one seed at NFC
is if Kleb could play up to what we expected
from him coming in the greatest prospect since Andrew Love,
a Heisman Trophy winner. He has an offensive coordinator, Guru
and Ben Johnson, and yet he himself has not looked
great and the offense as a whole hasn't looked great.
So it's okay to criticize him. That's all I'm doing.
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It's saying I want him to improve. I want him
to stop having these horrible first halves or horrible second
halves all the time, and I want to see him
get better.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
And I thought this would be to him able to
do this now.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
He might be able to do this next year a
couple seasons under his belt with Ben Johnson will have
to see. But as of right now, including Ben Johnson,
who is acknowledged, their passing game is what's holding them back.
Last yesterday was another example of the passing game that's
holding them back. And they had a chance to really
put a coughing on this thing and say we are
the best team in the NFC, and they fell short.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
And he was Alex, as.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
They call it, you are the weakest link.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
He was the.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Weakest link on that Bears team. And that's okay, Rob,
It's okay.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Are you done.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Yes, good.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Once again, just ridiculous coming off the game they played
in Philadelphia. You act like he hasn't played any games
he has brought.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
That team back.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
He was let me talk.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Wait, you just did got off the mic and let
you talk. Did I not?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I took my mic off, Yes, so let me talk now.
I was quiet. I let you go ahead with your spiel. Okay,
did I not? I didn't want to interrupt you, so
I let you go. The whole idea that you're gonna
sit here when this guy had that won four games
when they had no business to win, and when he
made some big throws and some big plays even in
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this game, he got them back in and played well
in the second half.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
And you're talking about the first half.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But you'll you'll celebrate your doors Sanders throwing touchdowns or
losing to the Titans. But you're gonna sit there about
Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
In games where.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
They were seven point underdogs in Green Bay, it would
have been unbelievable for them to go on the road
and win in Philadelphia and win in Green Bay back
to back, and they were in the game and that
last play, I knew they were gonna throw that ball
in the end zone and it was what fifty to
fifty ball where you might come down with it and
win the game, or it was gonna be an interception.
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I wasn't even shocked that that was the play call
because that's what they normally do is throw the ball
in the end zone on that Everybody on a short
yardages is up close. So what they was like, Yo,
we're gonna go and and try. We got space in
the end zone, let's go for it. And that's what happened.
He threw the pick. He doesn't throw a lot of picks.
I'm so tired. It's still about winning. He's a young quarterback,
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but you make it like he's terrible and every week
or every chance. They just had a big game in
Philadelphia and right away because they lose by seven points
to Green Bay when they were seven point underdown. He's
the worst quarterback and he's the weakest link. That's your
take on Caleb Williams. Tell me that they should bench
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him or cut him. If you want to have a
strong take on Caleb Williams coming on every other week
and say, oh, you didn't play.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Well et your Weekes's link on the bear.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
So what if they won nine games where nobody even
had them being into the playoffs, nobody picked them to
go in the playoffs or to have nine wins this year.
And to sit around and act like he's disappointed when
they're disappointed Chicago and the Bears because they're nine and
four is outrageous to me. That's what I can't understand.
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That's the part. You act like like there was some high,
lofty expectations. Show me the preseason predictions that had them
going to the super Bowl. KINGO who had them win
in the division, had them going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
But they're still there in the hunt for the division.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
You're acting like people had them to be three and fourteen.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
But I'm saying, I'm saying they're half a game out Green.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
So so I can't can do whatever you want. You
can do whatever you want, but I could be critical
of you two if I don't agree, right, So yeah,
go ahead do what you want, just like I was
critical of you and the Chiefs when you made your
your parade for Patrick Mahomes and they're going to the
super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
He's the m v P.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I told you then it wasn't happening. That's all I'm
saying the.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Reason why, the reason why I don't listen to you
because you said because you say, listen to your right.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
So you said it all last year? Right stop? Literally
did I told you all? Yeah? You did. I told
you what the chief that the super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I did not.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
You literally didn't.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
This is the difference between you not. Can that mint it?
That's be.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Every week Ro get the pick. I did not pay
them every week. No, he did not twelve out of
or whatever week.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
No, I did not.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I didn't piss him to lose every week shopping. So
you do know Rob keeps tracking I do, and I
know I didn't pick him every week against them.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
So I don't know when you're right, Rock, because you
pick against them every week. What I'm telling you they
fifteen to two. I told you, by gosh, I told you. No,
I told you told you. The thing I told you
was thing No.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I told you that the Lions weren't going to the
super Bowl and the Chiefs weren't going to win the
super Bowl. That's what I told you all year. I
didn't care what the record was.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
Okay, okay, right, you are the week to think the
Bear the won four they got four wins this season
after trailing, right, this is this is the guy who's
so bad team.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
It doesn't matter. That's about coming back. Yeah, because they
could have been losses.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
They could have been lost, and he looks bad against
the Giants.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
You will win this season after trailing at some point
in the final two minutes of the fourth quarter.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
And you win ross. No, let me say this, good,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It's the fourth Right, it's the most wins of any
of the season since nineteen seventy, since the merger.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
That doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
You don't win games in the final two minutes in
the fourth quarter since nineteen seventy. What are you talking about?
That's what I'm trying to figure out. What you're acting like.
It happens all the time.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
No, what's funny about that is again the selective of
win winning close games matters. So everybody else wins a
close game, they should be winning as it's fugazy they win.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Close games now, it's great.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
And also you're talking about games that a lot of
times he dubbed them in the hole.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
He dugged him in the hole.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Just like you doug him in the hole yesterday, versus
the Packers, and he tried to dig him out play good,
really good.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
In the second half.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Absolutely, no, I have no problem in that, but also
was a large contributor as to why they were in
the hole in the first place. And again, you ain't
got to take my word for it, take his own
coaches word for it.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
So he should be benched, right or cut?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
No what you're saying, why not I'm terrible because I
was terrible.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
I don't have to do it.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
When you say it's terrible, why don't you get on.
You have to take it, take a stand on. Some
say you should be cut. You can't play the middle
of the fence the middle of the time. No, you
can't do it. Put your hand off.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
I have to do it.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Rat your hand off.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
You don't have to be in the middle. Cut cut
Caleb Williams, Yeah, cut, yeah. Cut. That go viral.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Oh, if that's going viral, then I have no intention
of going viral saying some crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah, they said I was crazy when I said the
Chiefs weren't gonna make the playoffs either.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
That went viral, and I was a bad guy. I
was washed. I didn't know what I was talking about.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
He can't did it for clicks.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
He can't did it for.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Clicks because he hates Patrick Mahomes and he hates greatness
and he hates it can't be true. And then none
of it still okay, you still hate Patrick Mahomes, and
I hate.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Patrick Mahomes for I don't hate Patrick Mahomes. Just don't
think he's no what they say.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
He was Jordan as Chris Bussa and I Rob, g
how much did we fight about that? And you know what,
Chris might be finally right, he is uh Jordan ess
the Wizard, d yes he is ills.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
That run absolutely was Jordan. I get the point. Career wise,
it ain't over.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Obviously, Mike played his whole career, but that stretch he
had was amazing.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
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Speaker 3 (24:00):
Speaking of Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs, if
the season ended today, of the Big four quarterbacks, patri
Mahomes and the Chiefs would not be in the postseason.
Lamar Jackson and the Ravens would not be in the
pos even though as poorly as they played, there only
one game to be in it. I know, I'm just saying,
and that's still ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
That tells you.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
This is like the NFC South of yesterday and last
but not least, Joe Burrow again he missed most of
the year, but him and the Bengals would not be
in it, which means of the Fantastic Four, the four Horsemen,
whatever you want to call it, the last of the Mohicans,
the only quarterback standing in the AFC where then he
salt is Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills. He had
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a big win yesterday against the Bengals, trailing by ten
and the fourth he went full superman once again finished
the game.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
He win it.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
Joe Burrow loser. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
He made the plays when he had to, including a
forty yard touchdown run longest rushing touchdown by a quarterback
in Bill's history. And they had some good quarterbacks back
the day, three hundred and twenty nine total yards, four
total touchdowns, which means if the playoffs ended today, the
only quarterbacks with their salt historically standing in his way
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between a Super Bowl is a seventy eight year old
Aaron Rodgers and CJ. Stroud who has two playoff wins,
but let's be honest, has not been the CJ.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Stroud of yesteryear for about two seasons.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Dub Well, how much pressure is on Josh Allen right
now heading into both seasons?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Josh Allen escapes a lot of pressure.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
To me, Rob, maybe you feel me on this work
because he you know, he just a lot of the
conversations about Patrick Mahomes. A lot of conversation goes to,
of course Lamar Jackson with his failures in the postseason.
Maybe some is about you know, Matthew Stafford the last
handful of years. Now, of course Jayler hurts lose the
Super Bowl, win a super Bowl, And I feel like
Josh Allen only kind of gets a lot of the praise.
(25:58):
For the most part, he's spent tastic, he's spectacular, and
he deserves the praise. But to me, the pressure now,
because of all the way things just shook out, as
Rob g you mentioned, it now falls on his shoulders,
right The pressure usually Patrick Mahomes because he's the face
of the league, so on and so forth, or Lamar
Jackson can he you're so talented, but when will it
result in, you know, Super Bowl appearance. All of that,
(26:19):
to me is on Josh Allen. Now you're the raigning
Super Bowl MVP. You've got your same COACHMVP MVP, you
got your race, you got your same coach, you got
your same system, same guys. So it's not like you're
in some unfamiliar situation. You are in that same system,
same place, same everything. To me, it falls on him
because Rob there are some other teams that are really good,
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even in his own division.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
The Patriots eleven and two.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Drake May an MVP candidate, looks like you know some
people one or two depending on where you put him,
and Matthew Stafford. You got other guys we mentioned see
this shrout. Is this the real Trevor Lawrence that we're seeing?
You got bow Knicks, So forar you got Josh Herbert,
Justin Herbert who's playing right now.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
There are young guys that are coming. That's just in
the AFC.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Obviously you got some of the NFC as well, or
some of the older gate as well.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
He has the most experienced.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
This is his chance to follow up that MVP season
and then go and get a Super Bowl MVP, get
his team there. So to me, this has all how
it's all shook out, it's on him because there's no
better window than now. Joe Burrow just showed you yesterday.
A healthy Joe Burrow. The last couple of weeks reminded you, Oh,
this is what I do. If I'm healthy, I'm up
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and running. I'm spectacular. Patrick Mahomes might come right back
next year. We'll have to wait and see what they
do over the offseason. Lamar Jackson should be right back
to where he is last season as well. So you
got these guys who are coming back, let alone in
the mix of the young guys in your own conference,
not even bringing in the NFC. So this is the
perfect opportunity for him being the elder statesman, aside from
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of course Aaron Rodgers to go in there. You've got
the experiences, you have an opportunity to finally.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Get that ring.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Because it's going to be so hard moving forward, and
it's always hard to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
We know that.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
So to me, the onus, the pressure, the eyeballs should
be on him as it's yours. And we had a
conversation in the NBA it's not apples to apples, but
similar how I felt the last few seasons for Attatakupo
Jannis when it's like, dude, you're the best player in
the conference. Conference is wideo But it's not just like
a million teams you gotta deal with. You should be
(28:26):
able to get to the finals, that's all, Phil, Josh Allen.
You should be able to get to the super Bowl
and hopefully win one for you in the city, in
the city and the team. Finally, because the pathway is
there for the best player and probably football let alone,
you know, left in the playoff hunt.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Yeah, I disagree.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I think that they still have you talked about it
before that he has to do so much in order
for that team to win. That talks about the deficiencies
that that team has top fifteen in scoring, so they're
not like a juggernaut offensively. I'll give you the defense,
top ten, no real receivers to talk about really.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Gonna be okay.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
So you got Cook, let's focus in on him and
Josh Allen. Make sure they don't run wild and stop
the passing game because there's nobody to really have to
defend on. So I think that's where him having to
be Superman makes it even tougher when you make those
kind of super Bowl runs or try to get there
because it is all about him. So I think that's
(29:29):
a I think that's a hard way to win when
it just has to be you and you have to
get to beat the Bengals, you gotta you gotta rush
for forty yards or forty yard touchdown run and you gotta,
you know, get four touchdowns in the game to win
like that.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Where's the help?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I just think when you make it, when you when
you make a run, when you make a run, and
and you got to win that many games and you
have to be the focal point to all of them
in order to win. You could do that basketball. Probably
even the great basketball players have a second guy. You know,
Michael needed Scotty. You gotta have somebody else. Kobe and Shad,
(30:09):
you need somebody else. And I don't know, is Cook
it or not. Top ten in defense helps, I'll give
you that. Anytime you have a chance to win teams
that have top ten defenses. We talk about Tom Brady
all the time. You can talk about all about Tom
Brady and he's the go and all that go. Show
me when he didn't have a top five defense when
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he won a.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Super Bowl and great special teams.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Okay, right, and a Hall of Fame kicker when Adam
Vanniey gets in. If Adam Venity misses two of those kicks,
nobody's even talking about Tom Brady. I mean that, that
is how important Adam Vanitery was to Tom Brady's legacy.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
No, no, you already know I completely agree with that.
But again, I've been saying that about Josh Allen. Well,
I've always talked about how there to Josh Allen reliant.
But the difference for me, now, he was good enough
and has been to get you where you need to be.
He just couldn't get past the chiefs, right. That was
his achilles heels, that was his kryptonite. That was his thing,
(31:07):
the big Boogeyman. And it looks like that boogeyman is gone.
And it looks like another boogeyman who could had a potential,
you know, be a roadblock in your way in Lamar Jackson.
It looks like he's gone. Potentially, we'll have to see
how it all falls out and shakes out.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
But I'm just.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Looking at it as when you get up in there
against some of these younger guys. If you're playing a
bow Knicks, they have a very good defense. But Bo Nicks,
this will be a you know, he's still a young guy.
Got to the postseason last year. But you should have
that experience. You should be the best player in all
of these games. You should be able to get it done.
And I'm not saying it's full proof. I'm saying this
is the pathway, Like, this is the opportunity to better
(31:44):
than any other one.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
That guy, Patrick Home, that team, the Chiefs are out
of your way.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
You know, you might not even you may not even
have to play the Eagles like you would have had
to run into last year had you gotten to the
super Bowl. So I'm not saying it's easy. When I'm
saying this has been your greatest path. You have to
take this opportunity by the Horns and absolutely take full
advantage of it, because again, it may not open up.
If Joe Burrow comes back healthy and everything's going and
(32:09):
Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert Trevor Lawrence, CJ. Shroud,
all these guys in your own conference, bow Knicks and
so on and so forth, that thing is loaded and
the young guns are coming, the Drake Mays are coming.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
This is that opportunity
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Kansas City Chiefs been in the Super Bowl basically since
Moby Dick was a Guppy. They ain't looking like they're
gonna be back there this year. They fall to six
and seven on the season after losing last night at
the Houston Texans. They will now officially have zero chance
of winning the AFC West for the first time in
a decade, and their chances of making the postseason are
a blistering twelve percent. They'd have to win out and
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need a thousand other things to break their way just
to make the playoffs. Right now, it's the official and
the crumbling of Chiefs Kingdom.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
No doubt, and I want to go here.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
And I told you Kelvin Washington, I told you a
couple listeners. I told you all you forty X players
who are analysts on television. I told you Patrick Mahomes
has not been the same guy for years now, and
people have continued to make excuses. Even last night, they're
(01:23):
still making excuses. Fourteen for thirty three, three interceptions, no touchdowns,
and you want to talk about.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Then you need a drafts O the drops.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I thought when he got all of his play wide
receivers back Kelvin, they were off and running. That's what
your contention was that it was because he didn't have
his guys. All of his wide receivers are healthy and
all playing. And guess what the last four games when
they needed him one touchdown and six interceptions. Why can't
(01:55):
we acknowledge? Oh did you see Kelsey? That wasn't a
well thrown baller was thrown behind him. Wait, he would
have if he made that catch, it would have been
a great catch. I had the nerve to listen to
Dan Orlowsky this morning talk about he's the greatest player
on the planet since win.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
You mean the guy didn't get.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
One first place MVP vote despite going fifteen to one
as a starter last year.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Come on, you guys are living.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
In the past. The Chiefs haven't been good. I know
they went to the Super Bowl. I told you last
year they were lucky at Sin and it all caught up.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
To him this year.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I don't want to hear any excuses about Patrick Mahomes.
He hasn't played well. Why can't we acknowledge that? Why
can't everybody else always excuses?
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Oh Andy, we went four on fourth.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Down on a thirty one yard Oh Chelsey, he hit
the ball hit him? Oh was she right? He dropped
the ball off for it. That That's all I heard.
Patrick Mahomes didn't make every throw either. Did you watch
the game? Did you watch the highlights? He didn't make
all the throws and he hasn't been making the throws.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
This has been a process.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
That's why I said before the season that they wouldn't
make the playoffs, not based on because some hate. Where's
all the Chiefs Kingdom people who were on Twitter that
I was washed, I was a washed reporter and I'm
a hater and I'm just looking for clicks. We're all
those guys. When I tried to tell you, yeah, I'm
(03:41):
sure you can't find those guys today because they didn't
want to hear it.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
When you get into fandom, you can't look at stuff
fairly and honestly because you become jaded and you think
everything is everybody else's fault. The last thing for you, Kelvin,
the reason the Chiefs aren't going.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
To the playoffs, are you ready? Is Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Not the defense which is seventh best in the NFL,
not the receivers, not Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
It's Patrick Mahomes is to blame.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
He is the reason why the Chiefs are not gonna
make the playoffs. And go to YouTube and go see
the video. I said a couple of weeks ago that
same thing. The reason the Chiefs won't make the playoffs
will be because of Patrick Mahomes and the.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Offense, and that's why they are where they are.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
The Chiefs are playing bad football. There's no way around it.
They're playing bad football as an offensive unit. At times,
they're playing that being out coached. Andy Reid probably for
the first time in his life, has to admit that
that he has not been He's been out coaching. He
hasn't been coaching will Patrick Mahomes is missing passes that
he normally makes. Patrick Mahomes is forcing things. You got
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guys who are dropping balls that normally don't. So this
is they look bad in totality, with the defense withstanding,
that might be the only unit that for the most
part of this whole season has looked good.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
A couple of things. I don't agree with you on
number one.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
I don't agree if you're saying this season, I'm with you.
But if you're saying including last year, I don't agree
with that. Last year, and obviously we talked about it
throughout the season. Last year, he was making those plays
that would get them to win.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
He was making those third down comarade.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I wanted to get an MVP vote if he was,
if he was making the plays that no, no, I'm
using your words. Yeah, if he made the plays that
helped him win fifteen go fifteen and one, why did
he not? Why did he not get one first place
MVP vote? Because you won't be able to answer it
because what you're saying is illogical.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
That's first of all, it's factual. That's I don't even
know why you brought that up. That's proved. I was
telling you this all last year. He was the highest
third down conversion by far last year and even half
of the season. So he makes the play, the winning
play that's not debatable. We're talking about last season. You
asked why didn't get an MVP vote.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Because Lamar Jackson. You remember I set up here and
said it right sext to you that he's the best player.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen were insane last year. So
him being fifteen to two and winging the Super Bowl,
getting to the Super doesn't mean he had to be
the m v P.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Him making third down conversions.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
They were limitedlessly from what I said, he made the
winning To listen to what I said, I'm talking about,
so one in one vote, not just win the MVP
answered question.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
And winning because the other got.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
One vote, because the other guys, including Joe Burrow.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
No, we're insane. He got in all him and watched him.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
They went they were fifteen and one in Mahomes' starts.
Because you just not why he just because I thought
it was winning.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
You know you answer questions, okay, so that if you
could ask, let me answer. So like I said, it's
because he only made a handful of plays each game.
Lamar was making fifteen to twenty, Josh Allen was making
fifteen to twenty, Joe Burrow's making ten to fifteen a game.
That's why he realized with his defense kept him in games.
Don't turn over too much stick around. I can make
(07:20):
a player or two, and that is why those play
or two aren't working this year. Those guys that make
plays aside from him, it's not working this year. So
they'll denying it and they have to go to the
drawing board and figure out what's next. Andy Reid has
to figure out what next, the designing of the plays.
Patrick Mahomes has to go to the drawing board and
realize what I'm doing isn't working. They absolutely have to
(07:43):
look at house guys. They may have to start. Chris
Jones has played really well yesterday. Can we get some form?
Can we trade? They're gonna have to look at themselves
and really make a hard reset at some point. I
don't agree that has been singularly Patrick Mahomes, But I
have some numbers.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Can I give you numbers? They got numbers.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Mahomes has a sixty eight point six passer rating on
deep passes that's third worst of the thirty six qualifiers,
ranked near the bottom for NFL on deep ball completions
thirty two percent more. And while he's uh while being
top three in deep ball attempts fifty five.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
He's so he's thoring them a lot. He's just not
hitting them.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And my point to you is you set up here
on this very radio show when you talked about getting
Withshi Rice back and worthy and that no, and you
proclaimed that he was going to be the MVP and
they were going to go to the super Bowl because
Patrick got his mojo and got his receivers back and
that and that and that is what was stopping him.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
So will you take that back that it had nothing
to do with that?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
And that's about it with Patrick Mahomes playing badly, playing like.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Absolutely, why can't go trash? He is playing bad, without
a doubt. They are bad as a team, without a doubt,
There's no deny. Their record is what they are close
games that they normally win, they have it. They put
themselves in a hole yesterday, he's throwing some balls off.
They're not catching balls again, Andy Reid being freaked out
(09:11):
and doing stuff he doesn't normally do. They look bad
as a unit and this year is gonna be a
tough year for them to look in the mirror. Absolutely,
I thought they would bounce back. They had a good
stretch where they were putting up some points. Then it
went downhill the last three or four weeks. Without a doubt,
I was wrong on that. I have no problem admitting
that they look bad as a team this year and
are getting it done, especially Rob two point.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
They're losing a good teams too.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
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Speaker 6 (10:16):
We had, of course a big game divisional game, Rob.
We had the Packers and the Bears going at it
in a game that those two are tops of the NFC,
right now, Rob g this is a tough division. We
knew it would be coming into last year, going into
this season as well, and to our surprise to a
lot of people, at least the Bears are leading it.
But not a good game for the Bears as a whole,
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specifically Kayleb Williams.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Well, they were leading it as a thing.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
They were ranked number one of the NFC heading into
Sunday's game against the Green Bay Packers. With that loss,
they fell all the way to seven. That's how tightly
bunch of things are of the NFC. In fact, all
of the analytics projections say that with that loss, the
Bears are now projected to miss the playoffs. In entirely
this forty eight hours after being number one of the conference.
(11:03):
There's a lot about what's going on there. And it
really was, as you mentioned, a tale of two halves
for Kayler Williams, because he started off quite frankly, just
terribly all right in the first half.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Like Patrick Mahomes go ahead.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
In the first half six of fourteen thirty two.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Passing yards, but that he's been known to do, really
turned it up there in the second half one hundred
and sixty four total yards, two touchdowns, one hundred and
twenty one passer rating.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
A just a completion rate of eighty six point four percent.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
That is, until his very very last pass of the game,
fourth down, rather than taking the first down, goes for
it all in the end zone, intercepted to seal the
game and the loss for Chicago.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
Yeah, and listen, this is where to me as they
head into the end of the season, and this is
where we're gonna also see what they're really made of.
A couple of things to know, We talk about this
all the time, Rob and I Rob Gidat. You gotta
play who's in front of you, right, You can't control
the schedule when they make it months in advance.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
But ways we talked about it with the Bears.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
The reason why I haven't been sold on them is
because of how they look throughout this season.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
You look back at some of these.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Games and they barely beat teams that you're supposed to destroy.
To be when you look at them as the number
one seed the NFC, they beat your Raiders by one,
They beat the Commanders by one, both Stame's exact score
twenty five to twenty four. They go on to barely
beat the Bengals. They barely beat the Giants by four.
I mean they barely beat the Vikings again by two.
(12:34):
So they they go on and on and on, and
when they play the quality teams they have lost. They
got a great win, absolutely good win for them when
they beat the Eagles a halful of weeks ago, so
definitely credit there.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
But this is where it got.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Two weeks ago in Philadelphia, ways ago, two weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
That was before they played this guy. Yes, wait, that's
what you jumped.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I said a few you said two okay, two weeks ago, yes, okay, okay.
Is this argument and what you're about to talk about
your relaxiculous you relax your might go off and let
you please turn it off to read.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
My god, I've never heard anything Why like this? Why
you're so emotional?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Because because because you're right, you know what one for
every weekend, Paul pity, And here you talk about they
only want.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
His name is Williams, not Caleb Parker.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
His name is kayl not Cal only one by his
name is twenty points every game.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
This is this is off.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Guess what happened? This is lost, they lost. This is
where you're so emotional because this is where it's not one.
He's not one of your mentees. He's not one of
your mentees. He's not you don't know him. You don't
know him.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
You can relax. You get so fired up, I sit
up there and let you go. By the Chiefs. It
was okay, you jump right in. Look at you. Why.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
I don't understand why you get so emotional. It's who
saw rob. You can let me go. Then you can
talk as well. And it's the same. This is why
you're hilarious to be robed. The level of hypocrisy is
entertaining to me because you sit up here and talk
about Will's the losses. Yet the Lions went fifteen and
two last year. Every week you found a reason why
they weren't good. The Chiefs went fifteen and two last year.
(14:19):
You talked about every single reason why good. And then
you talk about the Steelers and they'll barely win games,
and well they did this, what they did this? Then
Kayler Williams, we can't criticize Caleb, No, we can't. We
get criticize Patrick and this person and Jared Goff and
Matthew Stafford, but we can't criticize Kayler Williams. So as
I was steady before I was so rudely interrupted. They
barely beat bad teams. That is where myself and some
(14:42):
others will say, I don't know how I feel about
the Bears. They're barely beating the bad teams. And then
you say, but credit them for Hey, you beat who's
on the schedule. And if you start to look at
why you I am concerned to why I feel like
there's still a lot of room to be designed for
them to get better. Is because the poor performance from
Kayleb Williams. He has talked about how bad he looked
in the first half of that game. We talked about
(15:03):
we've talked about where he has been throughout this season.
He has terrible passes. You're talking about on target, He's
one of the worst in that he's thirty fourth, there's
only thirty two starting quarterbacks in completion percentage at fifty
seven right now. He also is eighteenth in QUBU rating,
he's nineteenth in QBR and he is eleventh in passing guard.
So my issue has simply been for them, their ceiling
(15:28):
where they could be a legitimate one seed at NFC
is if Kleb could play up to what we expected
from him coming in the greatest prospect since Andrew Love,
a Heisman Trophy winner. He has an offensive coordinator, Guru
and Ben Johnson, and yet he himself has not looked
great and the offense as a whole hasn't looked great.
So it's okay to criticize him. That's all I'm doing.
(15:49):
It's saying I want him to improve. I want him
to stop having these horrible first halves or horrible second
halves all the time, and I want to see him
get better.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
And I thought this would be to him able to
do this now.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
He might be able to do this next year a
couple seasons under his belt with Ben Johnson will have
to see. But as of right now, including Ben Johnson,
who is acknowledged, their passing game is what's holding them back.
Last yesterday was another example of the passing game that's
holding them back. And they had a chance to really
put a coughing on this thing and say we are
the best team in the NFC, and they fell short.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
And he was Alex, as.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
They call it, you are the weakest link.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
He was the.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Weakest link on that Bears team. And that's okay, Rob,
It's okay.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Are you done.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Yes, good.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Once again, just ridiculous coming off the game they played
in Philadelphia. You act like he hasn't played any games
he has brought.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
That team back.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
He was let me talk.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Wait, you just did got off the mic and let
you talk. Did I not?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I took my mic off, Yes, so let me talk now.
I was quiet. I let you go ahead with your spiel. Okay,
did I not? I didn't want to interrupt you, so
I let you go. The whole idea that you're gonna
sit here when this guy had that won four games
when they had no business to win, and when he
made some big throws and some big plays even in
(17:10):
this game, he got them back in and played well
in the second half.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
And you're talking about the first half.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But you'll you'll celebrate your doors Sanders throwing touchdowns or
losing to the Titans. But you're gonna sit there about
Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
In games where.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
They were seven point underdogs in Green Bay, it would
have been unbelievable for them to go on the road
and win in Philadelphia and win in Green Bay back
to back, and they were in the game and that
last play, I knew they were gonna throw that ball
in the end zone and it was what fifty to
fifty ball where you might come down with it and
win the game, or it was gonna be an interception.
(17:50):
I wasn't even shocked that that was the play call
because that's what they normally do is throw the ball
in the end zone on that Everybody on a short
yardages is up close. So what they was like, Yo,
we're gonna go and and try. We got space in
the end zone, let's go for it. And that's what happened.
He threw the pick. He doesn't throw a lot of picks.
I'm so tired. It's still about winning. He's a young quarterback,
(18:13):
but you make it like he's terrible and every week
or every chance. They just had a big game in
Philadelphia and right away because they lose by seven points
to Green Bay when they were seven point underdown. He's
the worst quarterback and he's the weakest link. That's your
take on Caleb Williams. Tell me that they should bench
(18:33):
him or cut him. If you want to have a
strong take on Caleb Williams coming on every other week
and say, oh, you didn't play.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Well et your Weekes's link on the bear.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
So what if they won nine games where nobody even
had them being into the playoffs, nobody picked them to
go in the playoffs or to have nine wins this year.
And to sit around and act like he's disappointed when
they're disappointed Chicago and the Bears because they're nine and
four is outrageous to me. That's what I can't understand.
(19:04):
That's the part. You act like like there was some high,
lofty expectations. Show me the preseason predictions that had them
going to the super Bowl. KINGO who had them win
in the division, had them going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
But they're still there in the hunt for the division.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
You're acting like people had them to be three and fourteen.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
But I'm saying, I'm saying they're half a game out Green.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
So so I can't can do whatever you want. You
can do whatever you want, but I could be critical
of you two if I don't agree, right, So yeah,
go ahead do what you want, just like I was
critical of you and the Chiefs when you made your
your parade for Patrick Mahomes and they're going to the
super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
He's the m v P.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I told you then it wasn't happening. That's all I'm
saying the.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Reason why, the reason why I don't listen to you
because you said because you say, listen to your right.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
So you said it all last year? Right stop? Literally
did I told you all? Yeah? You did. I told
you what the chief that the super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I did not.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
You literally didn't.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
This is the difference between you not. Can that mint it?
That's be.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Every week Ro get the pick. I did not pay
them every week. No, he did not twelve out of
or whatever week.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
No, I did not.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I didn't piss him to lose every week shopping. So
you do know Rob keeps tracking I do, and I
know I didn't pick him every week against them.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
So I don't know when you're right, Rock, because you
pick against them every week. What I'm telling you they
fifteen to two. I told you, by gosh, I told you. No,
I told you told you. The thing I told you
was thing No.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I told you that the Lions weren't going to the
super Bowl and the Chiefs weren't going to win the
super Bowl. That's what I told you all year. I
didn't care what the record was.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
Okay, okay, right, you are the week to think the
Bear the won four they got four wins this season
after trailing, right, this is this is the guy who's
so bad team.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
It doesn't matter. That's about coming back. Yeah, because they
could have been losses.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
They could have been lost, and he looks bad against
the Giants.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
You will win this season after trailing at some point
in the final two minutes of the fourth quarter.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
And you win ross. No, let me say this, good,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It's the fourth Right, it's the most wins of any
of the season since nineteen seventy, since the merger.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
That doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
You don't win games in the final two minutes in
the fourth quarter since nineteen seventy. What are you talking about?
That's what I'm trying to figure out. What you're acting like.
It happens all the time.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
No, what's funny about that is again the selective of
win winning close games matters. So everybody else wins a
close game, they should be winning as it's fugazy they win.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Close games now, it's great.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
And also you're talking about games that a lot of
times he dubbed them in the hole.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
He dugged him in the hole.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Just like you doug him in the hole yesterday, versus
the Packers, and he tried to dig him out play good,
really good.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
In the second half.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Absolutely, no, I have no problem in that, but also
was a large contributor as to why they were in
the hole in the first place. And again, you ain't
got to take my word for it, take his own
coaches word for it.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
So he should be benched, right or cut?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
No what you're saying, why not I'm terrible because I
was terrible.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
I don't have to do it.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
When you say it's terrible, why don't you get on.
You have to take it, take a stand on. Some
say you should be cut. You can't play the middle
of the fence the middle of the time. No, you
can't do it. Put your hand off.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
I have to do it.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Rat your hand off.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
You don't have to be in the middle. Cut cut
Caleb Williams, Yeah, cut, yeah. Cut. That go viral.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Oh, if that's going viral, then I have no intention
of going viral saying some crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah, they said I was crazy when I said the
Chiefs weren't gonna make the playoffs either.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
That went viral, and I was a bad guy. I
was washed. I didn't know what I was talking about.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
He can't did it for clicks.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
He can't did it for.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Clicks because he hates Patrick Mahomes and he hates greatness
and he hates it can't be true. And then none
of it still okay, you still hate Patrick Mahomes, and
I hate.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Patrick Mahomes for I don't hate Patrick Mahomes. Just don't
think he's no what they say.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
He was Jordan as Chris Bussa and I Rob, g
how much did we fight about that? And you know what,
Chris might be finally right, he is uh Jordan ess
the Wizard, d yes he is ills.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
That run absolutely was Jordan. I get the point. Career wise,
it ain't over.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Obviously, Mike played his whole career, but that stretch he
had was amazing.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
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Speaker 3 (24:00):
Speaking of Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs, if
the season ended today, of the Big four quarterbacks, patri
Mahomes and the Chiefs would not be in the postseason.
Lamar Jackson and the Ravens would not be in the
pos even though as poorly as they played, there only
one game to be in it. I know, I'm just saying,
and that's still ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
That tells you.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
This is like the NFC South of yesterday and last
but not least, Joe Burrow again he missed most of
the year, but him and the Bengals would not be
in it, which means of the Fantastic Four, the four Horsemen,
whatever you want to call it, the last of the Mohicans,
the only quarterback standing in the AFC where then he
salt is Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills. He had
(24:44):
a big win yesterday against the Bengals, trailing by ten
and the fourth he went full superman once again finished
the game.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
He win it.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
Joe Burrow loser. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
He made the plays when he had to, including a
forty yard touchdown run longest rushing touchdown by a quarterback
in Bill's history. And they had some good quarterbacks back
the day, three hundred and twenty nine total yards, four
total touchdowns, which means if the playoffs ended today, the
only quarterbacks with their salt historically standing in his way
(25:14):
between a Super Bowl is a seventy eight year old
Aaron Rodgers and CJ. Stroud who has two playoff wins,
but let's be honest, has not been the CJ.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Stroud of yesteryear for about two seasons.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Dub Well, how much pressure is on Josh Allen right
now heading into both seasons?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Josh Allen escapes a lot of pressure.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
To me, Rob, maybe you feel me on this work
because he you know, he just a lot of the
conversations about Patrick Mahomes. A lot of conversation goes to,
of course Lamar Jackson with his failures in the postseason.
Maybe some is about you know, Matthew Stafford the last
handful of years. Now, of course Jayler hurts lose the
Super Bowl, win a super Bowl, And I feel like
Josh Allen only kind of gets a lot of the praise.
(25:58):
For the most part, he's spent tastic, he's spectacular, and
he deserves the praise. But to me, the pressure now,
because of all the way things just shook out, as
Rob g you mentioned, it now falls on his shoulders,
right The pressure usually Patrick Mahomes because he's the face
of the league, so on and so forth, or Lamar
Jackson can he you're so talented, but when will it
result in, you know, Super Bowl appearance. All of that,
(26:19):
to me is on Josh Allen. Now you're the raigning
Super Bowl MVP. You've got your same COACHMVP MVP, you
got your race, you got your same coach, you got
your same system, same guys. So it's not like you're
in some unfamiliar situation. You are in that same system,
same place, same everything. To me, it falls on him
because Rob there are some other teams that are really good,
(26:40):
even in his own division.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
The Patriots eleven and two.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Drake May an MVP candidate, looks like you know some
people one or two depending on where you put him,
and Matthew Stafford. You got other guys we mentioned see
this shrout. Is this the real Trevor Lawrence that we're seeing?
You got bow Knicks, So forar you got Josh Herbert,
Justin Herbert who's playing right now.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
There are young guys that are coming. That's just in
the AFC.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Obviously you got some of the NFC as well, or
some of the older gate as well.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
He has the most experienced.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
This is his chance to follow up that MVP season
and then go and get a Super Bowl MVP, get
his team there. So to me, this has all how
it's all shook out, it's on him because there's no
better window than now. Joe Burrow just showed you yesterday.
A healthy Joe Burrow. The last couple of weeks reminded you, Oh,
this is what I do. If I'm healthy, I'm up
(27:30):
and running. I'm spectacular. Patrick Mahomes might come right back
next year. We'll have to wait and see what they
do over the offseason. Lamar Jackson should be right back
to where he is last season as well. So you
got these guys who are coming back, let alone in
the mix of the young guys in your own conference,
not even bringing in the NFC. So this is the
perfect opportunity for him being the elder statesman, aside from
(27:53):
of course Aaron Rodgers to go in there. You've got
the experiences, you have an opportunity to finally.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Get that ring.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Because it's going to be so hard moving forward, and
it's always hard to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
We know that.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
So to me, the onus, the pressure, the eyeballs should
be on him as it's yours. And we had a
conversation in the NBA it's not apples to apples, but
similar how I felt the last few seasons for Attatakupo
Jannis when it's like, dude, you're the best player in
the conference. Conference is wideo But it's not just like
a million teams you gotta deal with. You should be
(28:26):
able to get to the finals, that's all, Phil, Josh Allen.
You should be able to get to the super Bowl
and hopefully win one for you in the city, in
the city and the team. Finally, because the pathway is
there for the best player and probably football let alone,
you know, left in the playoff hunt.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Yeah, I disagree.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I think that they still have you talked about it
before that he has to do so much in order
for that team to win. That talks about the deficiencies
that that team has top fifteen in scoring, so they're
not like a juggernaut offensively. I'll give you the defense,
top ten, no real receivers to talk about really.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Gonna be okay.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
So you got Cook, let's focus in on him and
Josh Allen. Make sure they don't run wild and stop
the passing game because there's nobody to really have to
defend on. So I think that's where him having to
be Superman makes it even tougher when you make those
kind of super Bowl runs or try to get there
because it is all about him. So I think that's
(29:29):
a I think that's a hard way to win when
it just has to be you and you have to
get to beat the Bengals, you gotta you gotta rush
for forty yards or forty yard touchdown run and you gotta,
you know, get four touchdowns in the game to win
like that.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Where's the help?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I just think when you make it, when you when
you make a run, when you make a run, and
and you got to win that many games and you
have to be the focal point to all of them
in order to win. You could do that basketball. Probably
even the great basketball players have a second guy. You know,
Michael needed Scotty. You gotta have somebody else. Kobe and Shad,
(30:09):
you need somebody else. And I don't know, is Cook
it or not. Top ten in defense helps, I'll give
you that. Anytime you have a chance to win teams
that have top ten defenses. We talk about Tom Brady
all the time. You can talk about all about Tom
Brady and he's the go and all that go. Show
me when he didn't have a top five defense when
(30:29):
he won a.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Super Bowl and great special teams.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Okay, right, and a Hall of Fame kicker when Adam
Vanniey gets in. If Adam Venity misses two of those kicks,
nobody's even talking about Tom Brady. I mean that, that
is how important Adam Vanitery was to Tom Brady's legacy.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
No, no, you already know I completely agree with that.
But again, I've been saying that about Josh Allen. Well,
I've always talked about how there to Josh Allen reliant.
But the difference for me, now, he was good enough
and has been to get you where you need to be.
He just couldn't get past the chiefs, right. That was
his achilles heels, that was his kryptonite. That was his thing,
(31:07):
the big Boogeyman. And it looks like that boogeyman is gone.
And it looks like another boogeyman who could had a potential,
you know, be a roadblock in your way in Lamar Jackson.
It looks like he's gone. Potentially, we'll have to see
how it all falls out and shakes out.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
But I'm just.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Looking at it as when you get up in there
against some of these younger guys. If you're playing a
bow Knicks, they have a very good defense. But Bo Nicks,
this will be a you know, he's still a young guy.
Got to the postseason last year. But you should have
that experience. You should be the best player in all
of these games. You should be able to get it done.
And I'm not saying it's full proof. I'm saying this
is the pathway, Like, this is the opportunity to better
(31:44):
than any other one.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
That guy, Patrick Home, that team, the Chiefs are out
of your way.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
You know, you might not even you may not even
have to play the Eagles like you would have had
to run into last year had you gotten to the
super Bowl. So I'm not saying it's easy. When I'm
saying this has been your greatest path. You have to
take this opportunity by the Horns and absolutely take full
advantage of it, because again, it may not open up.
If Joe Burrow comes back healthy and everything's going and
(32:09):
Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert Trevor Lawrence, CJ. Shroud,
all these guys in your own conference, bow Knicks and
so on and so forth, that thing is loaded and
the young guns are coming, the Drake Mays are coming.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
This is that opportunity
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