December 10, 2025 • 34 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether Sherrone Moore or the University of Michigan itself deserves the most blame for conduct scandal that ultimately cost Moore his job, tell us why they had such a big problem with Rich Paul’s (LeBron James’ agent) disparaging comments about the state of the Los Angeles Lakers, and explain why the Michigan football head coaching gig is still one of the plum jobs in sports in the wake of Sherrone Moore’s firing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
The University of Michigan has firehead football coach Charome Moore
with cause that's the key word here, because they found
quote credible evidence that he was engaged in an inappropriate
relationship with a staff member. Part of their statement reads,
quote this conduct constitutes a clear violation of university policy
and un maintains zero tolerance for such behavior. Charon Moore
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out looking for a new head coach there in nann Arbor.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
It would be one thing.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
If we looked at at this and looked at it
as an isolated incident.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
It's just not.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It is unbelievable how many coaches you know have bit
to dust over this. It's a long list. I don't
even think you could post a list on the internet.
There's not enough space. Like that's how often this happens
even in the own in the state of Michigan. Mel
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Tucker or the Michigan state coach who wound up losing right.
He was fired in September twenty twenty three following his
sexual harassment investigation and lost what was it, seventy five
eighty million dollars that he still had left on his
contract with Cars and all that. There's all kinds of
other people but had situations involving Miss Bobby Petrino, Pettino.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Irvin Meyer.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I mean, we could go on and on and on
and on, and I'm gonna say that this is not
to exonerate the people doing the bad stuff, because more
deserve If this is all true, this is on him,
like you already know when you sign the contract at
Michigan and they tell you people and people don't understand this.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
They go, that's nobody's business.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
They're mature adults and they have the right to do
whatever they want to do in their own personal lives. No, no, no,
not when you affect other people's lives. We talk about
all the time, Kelvin. You can't be the boss or
in charge of somebody and mess around with subordinates because
you hold their life in your hands. You're giving them
promotions and raises that maybe other people have earned because
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you're in the sack together like that. That's the reason
if we're on part and we're working on the line
at Ford or GM, we can have a romance and.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Fall in love.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You don't control my destiny or my life livelihood.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Ye. People fall in love at work all the time
on this level, but not when somebody's here and they're
the boss and they're running things.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
We know this.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
It's one of the first videos you gotta watch when
you start a new jobs.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
All the time. It's over and over and over. But
this is my point, and I want to hear from you. Yeah,
I'm blaming the universities and these college towns because they
have made this job of being especially college football, and
these towns like God, like these guys get to do
whatever they want. The police fall in line. When kids
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used to get busted or whatever, they would bring the
kids to the coach.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
We saw at Penn State, right, Joe Paterno.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
What went on there despicable because guys are bigger than
and not held accountable. They're a football coach. Oh, something
bad happened or go to take it to coach whatever.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
No call the police. That's what should have happened at
Penn State.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Joe Paterno was name and everything would still be up
there if he did the right thing.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
He didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
In fact, he never called the police. And in this case,
and this is all alleged, we're not indicting anybody. I
mean saying that they're guilty, and the guy lost his job.
Michigan has to feel pretty good with the evidence that
it has against more. But my point is this is
because we allow these coaches cart blanche and we allow
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them to do what they want run the universe. They're
bigger than the college presidents. They make more money than anybody.
They run the place. And with absolute power comes problems
and when people and that's why I think this keeps happening.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Well, you know what, I don't think you finished it
off though. I think this is where we differ a
little bit. With absolute power comes absolute responsibility. And I
think that's where I was saying. So I hear you
in the schools, and these guys become bigger than the
godlike figures. We talk about that all the time. That's
why sometimes coaching in college can be more benefit NFL
because you get away, get away, you become the guy,
a deity in that city and that town in that state,
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whereas NFL it's like you better win or else. You're
not bigger than that. You might not even be bigger
than your quarterback in the NFL. But I still have
to put a lot of this at the feet of
the persons involved in this case. More if this what
is alleged as true some of the other coaches we name,
because you are in these positions of power, of responsibility
and a leadership and you have to also and then
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practice what you preach with these young men. Right, we
talked about all the time one of the no distractions, accountability,
uh and and integrity.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
That's what you're preaching to these young men.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
But that was Bill Belichick right until atle girlfriend, just
what I'm in life change. But this is what I'm saying,
you have to preach us because to be honest with you,
this thing that has happened, that happening since biblical times,
like bad decisions when it comes to you know, in
this case obviously the man.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
But back then you weren't signing a multimillion dollar contract.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
That you don't know what King David sign You don't
know what I told you don't know. Don't mess around
with don't mess around with the staff. You don't know
if Solomon was signing back then you know. But no,
I say this to say but that That's where I'm
going with this. The school is saying, you're not just
a coach. You're a leader of men. You're a leader
in this community. You're a pillar in this community. We're
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giving you, paying you handsomely in some cases, like a
coach in Michigan.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Act right. So I don't I can't put the onus
on the school. Act right.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
I'm giving you one of the world class jobs. There's
only a handful of these types of jobs in the
entire world. You have one. You have you have power.
You're leading people, not only your team, You're leading the community.
We're putting billboards up, we're putting commercials up. We're in
trusting you around other young people. We're in trusting you
with parents children.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Act right. And so to me, it falls on them.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Now do they get their minds gets convoluted and they
become the guy and they get cloudy and judgment because
I am the one maybe.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
That's the case.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
But I what I'm saying, like there's a reason that
it didn't happen to one person. It never happened.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
I guess what I'm saying is take away the job.
This happens all the time in the history of mankind.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Is no, no, I agree with you. This is the way
I disagree with you.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I agree, but you're not talking about, as you just said,
the responsibility that goes with it.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
It's all laid out for you. It ain't like Joey.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
At the You're working at the supermarket and uh, you
know what I mean, and you're working an hourly wage
and there's a cute girl in the checkout count or whatever.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
This is all laid out.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
This has happened to so many people before, and it
keeps happening. And I do believe that you feel like
you're invincible when you get those jobs because of what
they allow you to do and get away with.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
The player did something whatever, they bring it to you.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
They don't call the police, they don't report it like
this is so you feel like you can get away
with anything. Because I was on linebacker just got away
with something.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
You believe that.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Here's where I also will say, historically you use Joe Paterno.
I'll give you that. We know stuff that came out Joe, Oh,
that's what we came out with. The story came out
about both Shimbleckler and what they the Michigan. So the
point is I agree with that more historically, it's twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
And this is the gotcha media.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
This is the I got my own ability to expose
things and put out things and texting messages and all that.
And so to me, you gotta be. You gotta be.
It shouldn't be doing in the first place. You gotta
be aware, but let alone in twenty twenty five, it's
even more imparant that you do right, because this is
just the accessibility to be to be exposed. This ain't
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the Lionized era where we're gonna lion as you and
cover the eye you're coming and hungover, We're it's gonna
say you have the stomach flu. This ain't that era
no more. This is I got to play. This is
the Pablo Tory era where they're putting everything out there
and continuing to take shots at you and find you.
So I'm more shocked is happening now.
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Speaker 1 (09:44):
We talked about the Which Paul podcast? He was on
him Max Kellery, it's his own podcast?
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Is the podcast I saw it. It's a little strange.
It's very inter because it's not like me and you
did it when we do a show that turns into
a bot Mstreet.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Are you going back to that?
Speaker 5 (10:01):
This is It's almost like when Max Max does those
twenty four to seven things on whatever, you know, sit
down boxing, where it doesn't feel like a give and
take It's like, tell me, that's not like an interviews.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Like an interview, but they don't have any chemistry that
there's no back and forth.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
You don't say rich just interview exactly.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah, man, I just think when they trades it really
you think he's going there.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Okay, but Rich Paul had some stuff to say, vetty
vetty into this.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
That's right now.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
The Los Angeles Lakers take on the Spurs tonight in
the quarter finals of the NBA Cup.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Is that really going on? What's happening? You never miss it?
It is? You bet money. I didn't even know anyway,
bet on the game.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
But I'm not betting on like the cup, like, oh, who,
who's gonna win the Cup?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Who? Every time somebody wins a cup, they lose their job.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
As Hampson somewhere mad at you right now, he got
his hand in his pocket, hung a.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Batter off, and then he still lost his job.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Right hand in his pocket.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
They are playing tonight, the Lakers one of the pleasant
surprises of the young NBA season. A lot of people
are excited about what they're doing off through a hot
start as of today's second seed in the Western Conference.
One person who is not feeling the vibes, though in
La Lebron's agent, super agent Rich Paul think of James,
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I personally don't think the Lakers are good enough to
be contenders right now.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Not right now.
Speaker 7 (11:20):
I don't think they have enough to get to the
Western Conference final. Then when you go into the playoffs,
we seen last year they ran into athleticism and length
they struggled. So when you look at it now, athleticism, length,
shooting speed right, because now can the Lakers play fast?
I don't think so?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
And style of play you can't.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
You know that style of play is going to be
very easy to guard when.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
You can sit in with.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Just thank you very much. Should people cancel this season tickets?
He'd said everything other than this is a waste of
time Lebron and Luca. If I'm rob Palinka, I'm living.
If I'm the new dog your owners, I'm livid. I'm
dead serious because it looks bad, not only on Rich Paul,
but on Lebron. Like like him and Lebron don't talk,
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they don't talk. They they're not contenders, right, they have
no shot? Is that what you're saying? They got Luca,
they just signed them to a gazillion dollars, they got
Austin Reeves. They were winning without Lebron even showing up,
And now you're saying that they're What is the what
is the end result?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
The end game?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
What do you get out of this? But he also
said in that same podcast that Lebron's not going anywhere,
don't want to be traded. So what is he playing
for at this age, this many years? Is it just
a compile stats? Isn't Lebron playing to try to win
more championships? And your agent is going out publicly and
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saying the team is garbage. You can say as nice
as you want, the team is garbage. They can't defend
their Lebron and Luca their statues. I mean, he didn't
go that far, but that's what he said. What it's unbelievable.
You're paying Lebron a gazillion dollars and his representative comes
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out and tells the fans of Los Angeles this team
is garbage on a podcast?
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Is this where we are? And there's nothing and the
Lakers just have to act like nothing happened. And if
anything else, if this was.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
A reporter or somebody, they'd be ready to pull their
credential or deny them access.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Am I right? Or make a stink with somebody. It's
mind boggling.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I don't get it, because if that's the case, and
he really feels that way, then he should say and
we gotta work a way to get Lebron out of here, okay,
And it comes off as typical Lebron.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
And why so many people have an issue with Lebron?
It's never enough.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
When he came to LA, they had all these young
talented players, get rid of everybody. I need somebody now,
I can't wait for them to developed, right, I need
somebody to win now. Blah blah blah blah blah. And
now again they went and pull up the trade for
Luca at the time, twenty five years old with five
first team All nbas and he don't have a he
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still don't have enough.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
I don't get it. What do you get from this?
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Well, so I'm glad you asked that. So I'm a
work backwards. What do I get from this? I don't
know what I'm getting from this? Is this an ulterior
motive with Rich Paul? Because anything associated with Lebron, you
do know, is calculated. That's what I'm saying, so Lebron's
agent and very good friend, close confidant having a podcast
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going to then speak on Lebron, we know has to
be some type of calculation or some type of motive
in that right. And it's also interesting a lot of
Bron's confidants and inner circle. Maverick Carter has What the Shop.
Lebron himself had a podcast with JJ Reddick. Jj Reddick
is now coaching Lebron. Lebron continues to have podcasts now
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it's with Steve nash uh and it just goes in.
Rich Paul now has a podcast with Max. I said
that to say, a lot of messages gonna come out.
You're not gonna be in Bron's inner circle just talking
recklessly about Bron, you know what I mean? Like this
is gonna be something that is obviously designing, you know
exactly what you're saying. And also this gets weird because
Rich Paul, if you if you watch more of that
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that podcast.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Rich Paul, you're not a regular guy.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
You can't just throw out makeshift drafts and trades and
stuff like that. He started talking about I would love
to see Patrick Mahomes with the Dallas Cowboys. You know,
I would love to see Luca doing this. Imagine if
Luca was that, like Rich Paul, your your your your
thoughts carry a lot of weight, because at one point
in time, half the Lakers team was a Rich Paul
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client when they were on that championship run a handful
of years ago. So him speaking is gonna is always
gonna have people. What does this mean him doing a
pot every week? Rode, We're gonna go what's the message?
What is he really meaning? What is he really trying
to say? Be because of what the pool that he has.
So I just don't quite get why Rich Paul feels
the need to have a podcast when he's such a
super powerful agent like this and specifically talking about Lebron,
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who's his biggest client. And uh and of course every
time he says something, we're gonna have to read fine toothed,
calm what he means by that.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
That's the only thing I can think is every time
he says it, what's the real message behind this?
Speaker 4 (16:24):
You know what I mean? What is Lebron?
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I know he tried to say in my opinion, I
don't think you're in a position to really have an
opinion and almost an almost contractual standpoint.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Like but that, but that, But you're right because it's
like when the fathers tweet about the team of a player.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
You could say that's your.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Own thought, but you know everybody knows you talk to
your son, and needs are conversations you're having when you're
eating or going like, there's no way that this is
your Your son has no idea what you think about
the team.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
More, it's just not I will even add, just even
if you didn't, like you're like, we had a reason.
I forgot the father who did that. But even if
it wasn't with the Bear, was with the Bears receiver, right, well, yeah,
I think it was the Bear's receiver. Dad was going
crazy and he needs to get out of there. Kayler
Williams ain't throwing the ball like all that. Even if
that is just Pops Pops, that's going to affect me.
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I gotta answer questions to your point. People are gonna wonder,
it's just really what I'm saying, but my dad is
saying it. And so that's why again I don't get
with Rich Paul having a podcast. I don't Just because
you can doesn't mean you should. I don't I don't
see the advantage of this in this in this instance,
because when you talk about Lebron, we're always gonna assume
there's something a message with it. You can't just talk
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recklessly or casually about Lebron. That doesn't work like that.
He's too big. He means too much to the league,
to the Lakers, and to just the social you know construct.
So you can't just oh, I just think Lebron's not happy.
I think that what you're saying carries a lot of
weight without you know, clearly, especially in the league where again,
you represent so many massive stars, not just Lebron. He
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can't just me and you can casually talk about right now, yo,
what you think y'all does? Want to do what he do?
A very large portion of the clients in the NBA
are his right. You can't casually get on the pot
just kick it with Max.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
It just doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
It's like it puts the player in a bad situation
and the organization. If I'm the Lakers, I'm furious, I
really am, because it's terrible for the fan base, you
know what I mean, for the fan base to feel
like this is like like what this this is coming
from the from Lebron's agent.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Lebron's one of his best friends. He thinks the team
that can't.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
By the way, he ain't wrong, Okay, I mean he
ain't wrong as far as no.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But my point, that's not for him to say that's
that's the only issue coming from him. I mean, he
tried to just put it on him. But you're not
just you, You're not. There's a you know what he's called.
He's a representative. Yes, you represent so when you speak
all the time, all the time.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Fortunately for you.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
But it's just the point when you can't be just
my opinion, that's gone. When you mentioned your most massive
client in.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Lebron unbelievable eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox is
the phone number.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
I just it's a strange pairing. By the way, this podcast, Roger,
you listen to a little bit of it, it's just
a little yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
It's funny because after.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
After the podcast, I think Rich Paul he wanted to
drop Max Kelluman too.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Is that not true? No, I'm just.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Jez now now now I'm Max got to answer some
question and now he's gonna tell us how he's the
Muhammad a League of the new Pod. Don't do that
because now he's I never worked with Max you know what.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
I think I might have met him a couple of times,
but I've never met with Max Cool never. I never. No,
I'm just said I never won.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
You know what, he's got a little bit up to you.
What kind of super chill he's a New York god. Yeah, now, mexicool.
You know obviously I was at the other place with
him for a little bit, so I would see him saying,
I don't act, I got no knowing. But because he
worked with Marcello's before you and I was the morning show,
they were later in the afternoon. So did you replace
(20:22):
him when he went to first take? Then I came
in there? But uh yeah, cool, cool dude, cool, super smart,
crazy smart, like ridiculously smart. It is like you don't
even want to talk about nothing, robber.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Because you did anybody say to you, dub oh, you're
so stupid. You don't ask you no, but you're stupid?
Is it stupid?
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Kelvin?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
The reason you don't like mask because he's blacker than you. No,
I didn't get nobody ever said that.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
That was.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
I think I think you don't do you do that
he's about to text you right now. I used to
like Rob G. Hey, hey he's gonna be at home.
Put the face time on me. He's about to text you.
Ever fixed your.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Mouth to say something like that about Rob G?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
I like you, but I don't like you that much.
What Mexican?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
It?
Speaker 4 (21:03):
But what was the name of that show? Was it
Max and Marcellus?
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Well? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they had a good run.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
How many somebody said they didn't know the show and
listened to you should? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Yeah, it was on in the afternoons, right. I didn't
say that. I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I know rober is the most closeted hater in the
history of radio.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
What are you talking about? I never missed you see
that chromo that they put out for you.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I don't listen to the show, but I did see
that they said this about me.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Roger, Well, I was just trying to I was gonna
tell you to hush and let him keep going. I
want to see where else he was gonna say listen
to the show.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
I didn't. I didn't know. I just asked it was
all right about when you moved here, But.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I asked, I did ask what the name of it,
because I really wasn't sure what.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
It was called.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
It was Max and Marcellis and they had about a
five year run. Then I had about a two year run.
And yeah, but he went that's when he went the
first take. What'd you think of his what he had
to say? You don't want to go there? What he
finally spoke after all these years we heard him speak.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I just I did speak, don't.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I just don't think that so much time would have
passed for me to have to answer that. That's just
all I'm saying, Like I get it, you know what
I mean, Like five years or whatever, it was four
years later or whatever.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
It just seemed like it was a long time.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
But that's called you know what that's called, right, that's
called promo run, Like I got this new show coming,
let me, let me get back out here.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I don't think it took him apart. I don't think
he liked what he said. I thought he was above board.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
It wasn't like some angry Michelle Beadle kind of take
or whatever.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
And then she's applauding Max for attacking Steve.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
She was there too. Everybody was used to come up.
That was It's just crazy over there. Yeah, I don't
think she was there where at the radio station. She
was with Sports Nation. You know, they literally two doors
down on TV, so they would all, like, you.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Remember everything being in Bristol. I forgot that.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Yeah, everything was right there, all that same.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I can't wait for that podcast interview when they ask
Rob Parker what happened with you and Chris Brussol.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Nothing happened with me and Chris. And I'm gonna be
the one.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I'm gonna be the anonymous source texting awful announcing and
the athletics say, and what do you want to say?
Oh my gosh, how much time you got. They're gonna
look at Chris and be like, now, you were a
man of the cloth. You can't lie. You can't lie
in that scenario which one of y'all is maxis whine
of y'all, Stephen A, someone's gonna be really angry and
we're gonna try to be mature about it. No, Chris
(23:32):
and I Rob's gonna be Stephen agints, No.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
All I want.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I want to make it.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I know you got the Lord on your side. We
don't have that. There's no issue there.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
When Chris drove come hours to Connecticut, comes to press
box when Chris drove two hours to Connecticut to be
there on my special day for the press box. Chris
and I have a twenty It started twenty five years
We did the show together, twenty five year friendship, and
we had our fights and our battles over the radio show,
but it never affected our friendship.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
We text to this day and keeping talking.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
He's texting you right now. You're not responding. That's how
I know.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
That's how I know things are bad. Okay, I got
a show. He's got a bad TV show that's been
off for a couple hours.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
I'm just saying, we'll see what happens at breakfast at
the super Bowl week, We'll see.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
No, you already know what's gonna happen. Rob g You's
got a pancake.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Dan No, Christian of Paine, he's on TV now. Chris
sitting there waiting for him to pick up. Chris will
give you a playlist at most tell me I'm wrong,
Christmas Sorr, you got my number? Oh, put the camera
on me, Elijah, you go.
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Speaker 3 (24:54):
Michigan has an interim head football coach. Nobody really expects
him to get the full time gig. Who knows that
the have a new head coach for this upcoming season,
But the plan is eventually Michigan being Michigan, They're gonna
get a very very prominent name at some point here
in the future, which here beads to the next question. Guys,
(25:16):
Michigan is one of the bigger brands in all of football,
not just in college but in football period. Big brand,
big expectations. The problem is they don't really win all
that big. They've only won two national championships since Moby
Dick was a guppy. So here's the question I ask you, guys.
(25:37):
Now that Shennemore is out of town, they have an
interim coach, they'll be looking for the next hot name
here relatively quickly. Is the head football coach at the
University of Michigan still a plumb job in your opinion?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
And Kelvin, as you know, being a columnist and a
TV guy and radio guy in Detroit for twenty years,
you know I'm i had two sides to Michigan because
I always thought that's so crazy, as big as Michigan
football is and the tradition and both sham Beckler as
a statute, he never even won a national championship and
(26:12):
he's revered in Michigan. And it was still about the
Big Ten and beating Ohio State madd at Moore because
they didn't win national championships. They really didn't. And as
much as I pushed back against that, I will defend
that Michigan is a blue blood and one of the
pieces of the fabric of college football, from the winged helmet,
to the big House, to all the stuff that the
(26:35):
maze and blue, all the stuff that goes into it.
I don't think they won enough or you know what
I mean, or it should be celebrated or the Alabama
or some of these other schools that have won a
ton of championships compared to Michigan. But I can't discount
or pooh pool the Michigan football job or their tradition
and their place with the blue bloods of college football.
(26:58):
I do believe that Michigan in the same conversation with
Alabama and USC and you know, in these kind of
schools of Notre Dame and all that.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Those are the schools are the fabric of college football.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
I absolutely, one thousand percent agree. A couple of reason
whyse we talked about Bob t doesn't think it's anyth Yeah,
we're here side. It's craziness.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
We want to hear from you. Though.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
You're right that they didn't win a bunch of national championships.
But I think one thing we disregard now because everything's
about the BCS didn't turn college football playoffs.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Winning a bowl used.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
To be huge. The Rose Bowl was huge, Like that
was a massive deal. Sugar Bowls were massive deals. You know,
all these bowl games. So for years, if Michigan would
win and you win the Big Ten and then you
come over here and you play the West Coast and
you play USC or UCLA or some team in Washington
and from the Pac twelve and the Rose Bowl, that
was a big deal. So to have that brand on
(27:52):
a massive day when America everybody's watching college football and
you're seeing that Maze and blue, they're playing hell to
the victors, you know what I mean. And it's Michigan
that created a huge, massive brand. Having some Heisman Trophy
winners as well, you know, Desmond Howard, Charles Woodson. So
that adds to the lure as well. I absolutely believe
it's a great gig. It's a great city. Obvious gonna
(28:13):
buyas some born and raised there, No.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
But for somebody from New York who didn't grow up
with college football, like I'm not.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
You, it's a great feel. It is a big deal.
So I think as of the last twenty five thirty years,
you start to get more of the you know these up,
a couple of schools that start to pop up. Clemsons,
Clemson's popped up over the last fifteen years or so.
You know, Florida State in the nineties, Miami and the
late eighties, in the nineties, but throughout those sixties, seventies, eighties,
(28:42):
and even nineties, Michigan became a really big deal. And
I agree eight and four was kind of regular when
I was growing up there. Nine and three was okay,
you know I lost to Appalachian State. Don't bring that up.
Why you come on, man, why you gotta go there?
That was in Rich Rod there, Rich Rod Reege.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
No, No, that wasn't Rich. That was rich. That wasn't Rich.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Brady Hoe I mean, uh, brat Brady.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
No, no, no, before that, why am I Martin? Was
that Lloyd Lloyd Car That was the beginning. That was
the end, the end, beginning of the.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
End for Lloyd Car When they lost that game, man,
that was crazy. I remember when Brady Holk was there,
his nickname was Brady Joe.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Yeah. It was bad.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
It was bad for a little while there. But so
that is the dirty secret. I will agree that Michigan
hasn't won quite like your thought, but I still think
it's a powerhouse. And I still think it's a massive job,
a massive get, and a great opportunity.
Speaker 9 (29:31):
The other thing about Michigan, like I it's one hundred
percent true. If you if you lost like Lloyd Carr,
you lose two games in beatle House did every so
often they'll build a statue for you. You're good to go.
Same thing with for really being honests Jim Harbaugh. It
was ugly before COVID.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Remember Jim Harbaugh too had to take a pay cut
at Michigan, I remember vividly.
Speaker 9 (29:51):
But the thing about it is in this day and
age with nil money, yeah, Michigan in them. In terms
of what makes a competitive co football program, today in
a world where Indiana is the number one team in
the nation, there's no excuse. And honestly, like last year
was ridiculous that you miss a program on Michigan should
(30:13):
have a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
No, I completely agree. Jim Harbaugh created that we don't
need a quarterback thing. We just run and play defense.
And now, because remember Michigan was quarterback you for a
long time, They're putting a lot of guys in it.
I'm not saying they're all great, but they were putting
them in the league. Chad Henty, Brian Greasy, obviously, Tom Brady,
Drew Henson. They're putting some guys. I'm probably missing two
or three more. They were putting guys in the league quarterback.
(30:35):
Then for some reason they just go about quarterback.
Speaker 9 (30:38):
If Michigan can spend ten million dollars on Bryce Underwood,
there would be a high level coach at University of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Oh no, no, no doubt, Rob g Yeah, what's your pushback?
Pushback is that Michigan has gone bag'e trash, Right.
Speaker 10 (30:52):
Rob, There's always some nuanced to everything. But no, they're
doing all the fame or he sucks. There's no middle ground,
not all the way eractly, and everything.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
You guys said is accurate, all three of you about
Michigan and what it means they're and for all of
those reasons, why I believe that it is not that
great of a job. Because you have all of this
tradition and all this nil money, and everybody's always excited
about Michigan. And you know, if you win Ohio State,
you know, it's you're the best thing to is life bread.
But if you lose, then we got to get you
(31:25):
up out of there. There's a lot of there's a
lot of pressure building around the community. Michigan carries themselves
like their Alabama, like their Notre Dame, like their Ohio State,
and they're not they don't win.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Yeah, you're right, Notre Dame has it won Michigan.
Speaker 9 (31:43):
But you're talking about Michigan carries like Alabama and Georgia
like the last two years.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
So here are the four you know, big jobs that
were available this past offseason. College football, Penn State, Michigan,
als Well, Michigan, now LSU, and Florida. Since two thousand,
Penn State has won three Big Ten championships. Michigan has
won four Big Ten championships. Since two thousand, LSU has
(32:09):
won three national championships, Michigan has won one. Florida since
two thousand has won two national championships, Michigan has won one.
You can get all the money, all the nil money,
all the popping circumstance that comes with being the big
dog at Michigan somewhere else without having to deal with
(32:31):
the pressure that comes from being at Michigan. You can
be Billy Napier in Florida, make a gang of money
of all the same access, and I have to worry
about Hey, if I go eight and four and I
lose to Florida State, it's not the end of the world.
Michigan has his idea that they should be in the
mix every single year, and they're just not. So why
do you want to sign up for that kind of
outsized pressure.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
I don't think Michigan. I think the dirty secret is
they don't expect it like that. I think they nine
and three they're quietly like, all right, we're good again
if every couple of years, every other year we beat
Michigan's or Ohio State, all right, And by the way,
what your what you just read was good. If you
just go back three more years. Then they have to
like Florida. I mean, if you go from ninety seven
to now, they got to like Florida, you know what
(33:13):
I mean, which they will be behind LSU by one.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
So is it a better job than Penn State? Are
Is it a better job than Florida?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Is it a Is it a better job than LSU?
Speaker 5 (33:24):
No?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Not now.
Speaker 9 (33:26):
No, here's the thing you if you if you recruit LSU,
if you just recruit the state of Louisiana, you're gonna
win ten games.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
That's the thing that Michigan doesn't happen, all right.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
They got enough players coming out of that state alone,
and they all want to play at home, you know,
like they're not trying to go somewhere.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
They don't have to go somewhere.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
That's that's to draw back of University Michigan is you
got to recruit Ohio. You got to recruit the South.
You can't just recruit the state of Michigan. But in
terms of the finances, the resources, and to the point,
all you gotta do is really truly beat Michigan State,
compete against Ohio State. And if you drop a random
game to Indie in November, everybody will be fine with it,
because the other dirty secret is there's no chance a
(34:05):
ten to two Michigan is getting left out of anything
in college football. That's why I not the Dame's so
upset right now because they're just not supposed to get
left out.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
The University of Michigan has firehead football coach Charome Moore
with cause that's the key word here, because they found
quote credible evidence that he was engaged in an inappropriate
relationship with a staff member. Part of their statement reads,
quote this conduct constitutes a clear violation of university policy
and un maintains zero tolerance for such behavior. Charon Moore
(00:51):
out looking for a new head coach there in nann Arbor.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
It would be one thing.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
If we looked at at this and looked at it
as an isolated incident.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
It's just not.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It is unbelievable how many coaches you know have bit
to dust over this. It's a long list. I don't
even think you could post a list on the internet.
There's not enough space. Like that's how often this happens
even in the own in the state of Michigan. Mel
(01:28):
Tucker or the Michigan state coach who wound up losing right.
He was fired in September twenty twenty three following his
sexual harassment investigation and lost what was it, seventy five
eighty million dollars that he still had left on his
contract with Cars and all that. There's all kinds of
other people but had situations involving Miss Bobby Petrino, Pettino.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Irvin Meyer.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I mean, we could go on and on and on
and on, and I'm gonna say that this is not
to exonerate the people doing the bad stuff, because more
deserve If this is all true, this is on him,
like you already know when you sign the contract at
Michigan and they tell you people and people don't understand this.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
They go, that's nobody's business.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
They're mature adults and they have the right to do
whatever they want to do in their own personal lives. No, no, no,
not when you affect other people's lives. We talk about
all the time, Kelvin. You can't be the boss or
in charge of somebody and mess around with subordinates because
you hold their life in your hands. You're giving them
promotions and raises that maybe other people have earned because
(02:41):
you're in the sack together like that. That's the reason
if we're on part and we're working on the line
at Ford or GM, we can have a romance and.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Fall in love.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You don't control my destiny or my life livelihood.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Ye. People fall in love at work all the time
on this level, but not when somebody's here and they're
the boss and they're running things.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
We know this.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
It's one of the first videos you gotta watch when
you start a new jobs.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
All the time. It's over and over and over. But
this is my point, and I want to hear from you. Yeah,
I'm blaming the universities and these college towns because they
have made this job of being especially college football, and
these towns like God, like these guys get to do
whatever they want. The police fall in line. When kids
(03:32):
used to get busted or whatever, they would bring the
kids to the coach.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
We saw at Penn State, right, Joe Paterno.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
What went on there despicable because guys are bigger than
and not held accountable. They're a football coach. Oh, something
bad happened or go to take it to coach whatever.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
No call the police. That's what should have happened at
Penn State.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Joe Paterno was name and everything would still be up
there if he did the right thing.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
He didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
In fact, he never called the police. And in this case,
and this is all alleged, we're not indicting anybody. I
mean saying that they're guilty, and the guy lost his job.
Michigan has to feel pretty good with the evidence that
it has against more. But my point is this is
because we allow these coaches cart blanche and we allow
(04:26):
them to do what they want run the universe. They're
bigger than the college presidents. They make more money than anybody.
They run the place. And with absolute power comes problems
and when people and that's why I think this keeps happening.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Well, you know what, I don't think you finished it
off though. I think this is where we differ a
little bit. With absolute power comes absolute responsibility. And I
think that's where I was saying. So I hear you
in the schools, and these guys become bigger than the
godlike figures. We talk about that all the time. That's
why sometimes coaching in college can be more benefit NFL
because you get away, get away, you become the guy,
a deity in that city and that town in that state,
(05:05):
whereas NFL it's like you better win or else. You're
not bigger than that. You might not even be bigger
than your quarterback in the NFL. But I still have
to put a lot of this at the feet of
the persons involved in this case. More if this what
is alleged as true some of the other coaches we name,
because you are in these positions of power, of responsibility
and a leadership and you have to also and then
(05:27):
practice what you preach with these young men. Right, we
talked about all the time one of the no distractions, accountability,
uh and and integrity.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
That's what you're preaching to these young men.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
But that was Bill Belichick right until atle girlfriend, just
what I'm in life change. But this is what I'm saying,
you have to preach us because to be honest with you,
this thing that has happened, that happening since biblical times,
like bad decisions when it comes to you know, in
this case obviously the man.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
But back then you weren't signing a multimillion dollar contract.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
That you don't know what King David sign You don't
know what I told you don't know. Don't mess around
with don't mess around with the staff. You don't know
if Solomon was signing back then you know. But no,
I say this to say but that That's where I'm
going with this. The school is saying, you're not just
a coach. You're a leader of men. You're a leader
in this community. You're a pillar in this community. We're
(06:19):
giving you, paying you handsomely in some cases, like a
coach in Michigan.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Act right. So I don't I can't put the onus
on the school. Act right.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
I'm giving you one of the world class jobs. There's
only a handful of these types of jobs in the
entire world. You have one. You have you have power.
You're leading people, not only your team, You're leading the community.
We're putting billboards up, we're putting commercials up. We're in
trusting you around other young people. We're in trusting you
with parents children.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Act right. And so to me, it falls on them.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Now do they get their minds gets convoluted and they
become the guy and they get cloudy and judgment because
I am the one maybe.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
That's the case.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
But I what I'm saying, like there's a reason that
it didn't happen to one person. It never happened.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
I guess what I'm saying is take away the job.
This happens all the time in the history of mankind.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Is no, no, I agree with you. This is the way
I disagree with you.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I agree, but you're not talking about, as you just said,
the responsibility that goes with it.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
It's all laid out for you. It ain't like Joey.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
At the You're working at the supermarket and uh, you
know what I mean, and you're working an hourly wage
and there's a cute girl in the checkout count or whatever.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
This is all laid out.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
This has happened to so many people before, and it
keeps happening. And I do believe that you feel like
you're invincible when you get those jobs because of what
they allow you to do and get away with.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
The player did something whatever, they bring it to you.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
They don't call the police, they don't report it like
this is so you feel like you can get away
with anything. Because I was on linebacker just got away
with something.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
You believe that.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Here's where I also will say, historically you use Joe Paterno.
I'll give you that. We know stuff that came out Joe, Oh,
that's what we came out with. The story came out
about both Shimbleckler and what they the Michigan. So the
point is I agree with that more historically, it's twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
And this is the gotcha media.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
This is the I got my own ability to expose
things and put out things and texting messages and all that.
And so to me, you gotta be. You gotta be.
It shouldn't be doing in the first place. You gotta
be aware, but let alone in twenty twenty five, it's
even more imparant that you do right, because this is
just the accessibility to be to be exposed. This ain't
(08:45):
the Lionized era where we're gonna lion as you and
cover the eye you're coming and hungover, We're it's gonna
say you have the stomach flu. This ain't that era
no more. This is I got to play. This is
the Pablo Tory era where they're putting everything out there
and continuing to take shots at you and find you.
So I'm more shocked is happening now.
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Speaker 1 (09:44):
We talked about the Which Paul podcast? He was on
him Max Kellery, it's his own podcast?
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Is the podcast I saw it. It's a little strange.
It's very inter because it's not like me and you
did it when we do a show that turns into
a bot Mstreet.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Are you going back to that?
Speaker 5 (10:01):
This is It's almost like when Max Max does those
twenty four to seven things on whatever, you know, sit
down boxing, where it doesn't feel like a give and
take It's like, tell me, that's not like an interviews.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Like an interview, but they don't have any chemistry that
there's no back and forth.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
You don't say rich just interview exactly.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah, man, I just think when they trades it really
you think he's going there.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Okay, but Rich Paul had some stuff to say, vetty
vetty into this.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
That's right now.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
The Los Angeles Lakers take on the Spurs tonight in
the quarter finals of the NBA Cup.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Is that really going on? What's happening? You never miss it?
It is? You bet money. I didn't even know anyway,
bet on the game.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
But I'm not betting on like the cup, like, oh, who,
who's gonna win the Cup?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Who? Every time somebody wins a cup, they lose their job.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
As Hampson somewhere mad at you right now, he got
his hand in his pocket, hung a.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Batter off, and then he still lost his job.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Right hand in his pocket.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
They are playing tonight, the Lakers one of the pleasant
surprises of the young NBA season. A lot of people
are excited about what they're doing off through a hot
start as of today's second seed in the Western Conference.
One person who is not feeling the vibes, though in
La Lebron's agent, super agent Rich Paul think of James,
(11:15):
I personally don't think the Lakers are good enough to
be contenders right now.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Not right now.
Speaker 7 (11:20):
I don't think they have enough to get to the
Western Conference final. Then when you go into the playoffs,
we seen last year they ran into athleticism and length
they struggled. So when you look at it now, athleticism, length,
shooting speed right, because now can the Lakers play fast?
I don't think so?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
And style of play you can't.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
You know that style of play is going to be
very easy to guard when.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
You can sit in with.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Just thank you very much. Should people cancel this season tickets?
He'd said everything other than this is a waste of
time Lebron and Luca. If I'm rob Palinka, I'm living.
If I'm the new dog your owners, I'm livid. I'm
dead serious because it looks bad, not only on Rich Paul,
but on Lebron. Like like him and Lebron don't talk,
(12:09):
they don't talk. They they're not contenders, right, they have
no shot? Is that what you're saying? They got Luca,
they just signed them to a gazillion dollars, they got
Austin Reeves. They were winning without Lebron even showing up,
And now you're saying that they're What is the what
is the end result?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
The end game?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
What do you get out of this? But he also
said in that same podcast that Lebron's not going anywhere,
don't want to be traded. So what is he playing
for at this age, this many years? Is it just
a compile stats? Isn't Lebron playing to try to win
more championships? And your agent is going out publicly and
(12:52):
saying the team is garbage. You can say as nice
as you want, the team is garbage. They can't defend
their Lebron and Luca their statues. I mean, he didn't
go that far, but that's what he said. What it's unbelievable.
You're paying Lebron a gazillion dollars and his representative comes
(13:13):
out and tells the fans of Los Angeles this team
is garbage on a podcast?
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Is this where we are? And there's nothing and the
Lakers just have to act like nothing happened. And if
anything else, if this was.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
A reporter or somebody, they'd be ready to pull their
credential or deny them access.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Am I right? Or make a stink with somebody. It's
mind boggling.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I don't get it, because if that's the case, and
he really feels that way, then he should say and
we gotta work a way to get Lebron out of here, okay,
And it comes off as typical Lebron.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
And why so many people have an issue with Lebron?
It's never enough.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
When he came to LA, they had all these young
talented players, get rid of everybody. I need somebody now,
I can't wait for them to developed, right, I need
somebody to win now. Blah blah blah blah blah. And
now again they went and pull up the trade for
Luca at the time, twenty five years old with five
first team All nbas and he don't have a he
(14:14):
still don't have enough.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
I don't get it. What do you get from this?
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Well, so I'm glad you asked that. So I'm a
work backwards. What do I get from this? I don't
know what I'm getting from this? Is this an ulterior
motive with Rich Paul? Because anything associated with Lebron, you
do know, is calculated. That's what I'm saying, so Lebron's
agent and very good friend, close confidant having a podcast
(14:38):
going to then speak on Lebron, we know has to
be some type of calculation or some type of motive
in that right. And it's also interesting a lot of
Bron's confidants and inner circle. Maverick Carter has What the Shop.
Lebron himself had a podcast with JJ Reddick. Jj Reddick
is now coaching Lebron. Lebron continues to have podcasts now
(15:01):
it's with Steve nash uh and it just goes in.
Rich Paul now has a podcast with Max. I said
that to say, a lot of messages gonna come out.
You're not gonna be in Bron's inner circle just talking
recklessly about Bron, you know what I mean? Like this
is gonna be something that is obviously designing, you know
exactly what you're saying. And also this gets weird because
Rich Paul, if you if you watch more of that
(15:22):
that podcast.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Rich Paul, you're not a regular guy.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
You can't just throw out makeshift drafts and trades and
stuff like that. He started talking about I would love
to see Patrick Mahomes with the Dallas Cowboys. You know,
I would love to see Luca doing this. Imagine if
Luca was that, like Rich Paul, your your your your
thoughts carry a lot of weight, because at one point
in time, half the Lakers team was a Rich Paul
(15:47):
client when they were on that championship run a handful
of years ago. So him speaking is gonna is always
gonna have people. What does this mean him doing a
pot every week? Rode, We're gonna go what's the message?
What is he really meaning? What is he really trying
to say? Be because of what the pool that he has.
So I just don't quite get why Rich Paul feels
the need to have a podcast when he's such a
super powerful agent like this and specifically talking about Lebron,
(16:08):
who's his biggest client. And uh and of course every
time he says something, we're gonna have to read fine toothed,
calm what he means by that.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
That's the only thing I can think is every time
he says it, what's the real message behind this?
Speaker 4 (16:24):
You know what I mean? What is Lebron?
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I know he tried to say in my opinion, I
don't think you're in a position to really have an
opinion and almost an almost contractual standpoint.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Like but that, but that, But you're right because it's
like when the fathers tweet about the team of a player.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
You could say that's your.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Own thought, but you know everybody knows you talk to
your son, and needs are conversations you're having when you're
eating or going like, there's no way that this is
your Your son has no idea what you think about
the team.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
More, it's just not I will even add, just even
if you didn't, like you're like, we had a reason.
I forgot the father who did that. But even if
it wasn't with the Bear, was with the Bears receiver, right, well, yeah,
I think it was the Bear's receiver. Dad was going
crazy and he needs to get out of there. Kayler
Williams ain't throwing the ball like all that. Even if
that is just Pops Pops, that's going to affect me.
(17:21):
I gotta answer questions to your point. People are gonna wonder,
it's just really what I'm saying, but my dad is
saying it. And so that's why again I don't get
with Rich Paul having a podcast. I don't Just because
you can doesn't mean you should. I don't I don't
see the advantage of this in this in this instance,
because when you talk about Lebron, we're always gonna assume
there's something a message with it. You can't just talk
(17:42):
recklessly or casually about Lebron. That doesn't work like that.
He's too big. He means too much to the league,
to the Lakers, and to just the social you know construct.
So you can't just oh, I just think Lebron's not happy.
I think that what you're saying carries a lot of
weight without you know, clearly, especially in the league where again,
you represent so many massive stars, not just Lebron. He
(18:04):
can't just me and you can casually talk about right now, yo,
what you think y'all does? Want to do what he do?
A very large portion of the clients in the NBA
are his right. You can't casually get on the pot
just kick it with Max.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
It just doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
It's like it puts the player in a bad situation
and the organization. If I'm the Lakers, I'm furious, I
really am, because it's terrible for the fan base, you
know what I mean, for the fan base to feel
like this is like like what this this is coming
from the from Lebron's agent.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Lebron's one of his best friends. He thinks the team
that can't.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
By the way, he ain't wrong, Okay, I mean he
ain't wrong as far as no.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But my point, that's not for him to say that's
that's the only issue coming from him. I mean, he
tried to just put it on him. But you're not
just you, You're not. There's a you know what he's called.
He's a representative. Yes, you represent so when you speak
all the time, all the time.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Fortunately for you.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
But it's just the point when you can't be just
my opinion, that's gone. When you mentioned your most massive
client in.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Lebron unbelievable eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox is
the phone number.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
I just it's a strange pairing. By the way, this podcast, Roger,
you listen to a little bit of it, it's just
a little yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
It's funny because after.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
After the podcast, I think Rich Paul he wanted to
drop Max Kelluman too.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Is that not true? No, I'm just.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Jez now now now I'm Max got to answer some
question and now he's gonna tell us how he's the
Muhammad a League of the new Pod. Don't do that
because now he's I never worked with Max you know what.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
I think I might have met him a couple of times,
but I've never met with Max Cool never. I never. No,
I'm just said I never won.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
You know what, he's got a little bit up to you.
What kind of super chill he's a New York god. Yeah, now, mexicool.
You know obviously I was at the other place with
him for a little bit, so I would see him saying,
I don't act, I got no knowing. But because he
worked with Marcello's before you and I was the morning show,
they were later in the afternoon. So did you replace
(20:22):
him when he went to first take? Then I came
in there? But uh yeah, cool, cool dude, cool, super smart,
crazy smart, like ridiculously smart. It is like you don't
even want to talk about nothing, robber.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Because you did anybody say to you, dub oh, you're
so stupid. You don't ask you no, but you're stupid?
Is it stupid?
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Kelvin?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
The reason you don't like mask because he's blacker than you. No,
I didn't get nobody ever said that.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
That was.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
I think I think you don't do you do that
he's about to text you right now. I used to
like Rob G. Hey, hey he's gonna be at home.
Put the face time on me. He's about to text you.
Ever fixed your.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Mouth to say something like that about Rob G?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
I like you, but I don't like you that much.
What Mexican?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
It?
Speaker 4 (21:03):
But what was the name of that show? Was it
Max and Marcellus?
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Well? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they had a good run.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
How many somebody said they didn't know the show and
listened to you should? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Yeah, it was on in the afternoons, right. I didn't
say that. I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I know rober is the most closeted hater in the
history of radio.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
What are you talking about? I never missed you see
that chromo that they put out for you.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I don't listen to the show, but I did see
that they said this about me.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Roger, Well, I was just trying to I was gonna
tell you to hush and let him keep going. I
want to see where else he was gonna say listen
to the show.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
I didn't. I didn't know. I just asked it was
all right about when you moved here, But.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I asked, I did ask what the name of it,
because I really wasn't sure what.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
It was called.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
It was Max and Marcellis and they had about a
five year run. Then I had about a two year run.
And yeah, but he went that's when he went the
first take. What'd you think of his what he had
to say? You don't want to go there? What he
finally spoke after all these years we heard him speak.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I just I did speak, don't.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I just don't think that so much time would have
passed for me to have to answer that. That's just
all I'm saying, Like I get it, you know what
I mean, Like five years or whatever, it was four
years later or whatever.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
It just seemed like it was a long time.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
But that's called you know what that's called, right, that's
called promo run, Like I got this new show coming,
let me, let me get back out here.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I don't think it took him apart. I don't think
he liked what he said. I thought he was above board.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
It wasn't like some angry Michelle Beadle kind of take
or whatever.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
And then she's applauding Max for attacking Steve.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
She was there too. Everybody was used to come up.
That was It's just crazy over there. Yeah, I don't
think she was there where at the radio station. She
was with Sports Nation. You know, they literally two doors
down on TV, so they would all, like, you.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Remember everything being in Bristol. I forgot that.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Yeah, everything was right there, all that same.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I can't wait for that podcast interview when they ask
Rob Parker what happened with you and Chris Brussol.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Nothing happened with me and Chris. And I'm gonna be
the one.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I'm gonna be the anonymous source texting awful announcing and
the athletics say, and what do you want to say?
Oh my gosh, how much time you got. They're gonna
look at Chris and be like, now, you were a
man of the cloth. You can't lie. You can't lie
in that scenario which one of y'all is maxis whine
of y'all, Stephen A, someone's gonna be really angry and
we're gonna try to be mature about it. No, Chris
(23:32):
and I Rob's gonna be Stephen agints, No.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
All I want.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I want to make it.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I know you got the Lord on your side. We
don't have that. There's no issue there.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
When Chris drove come hours to Connecticut, comes to press
box when Chris drove two hours to Connecticut to be
there on my special day for the press box. Chris
and I have a twenty It started twenty five years
We did the show together, twenty five year friendship, and
we had our fights and our battles over the radio show,
but it never affected our friendship.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
We text to this day and keeping talking.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
He's texting you right now. You're not responding. That's how
I know.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
That's how I know things are bad. Okay, I got
a show. He's got a bad TV show that's been
off for a couple hours.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
I'm just saying, we'll see what happens at breakfast at
the super Bowl week, We'll see.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
No, you already know what's gonna happen. Rob g You's
got a pancake.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Dan No, Christian of Paine, he's on TV now. Chris
sitting there waiting for him to pick up. Chris will
give you a playlist at most tell me I'm wrong,
Christmas Sorr, you got my number? Oh, put the camera
on me, Elijah, you go.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
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Speaker 3 (24:54):
Michigan has an interim head football coach. Nobody really expects
him to get the full time gig. Who knows that
the have a new head coach for this upcoming season,
But the plan is eventually Michigan being Michigan, They're gonna
get a very very prominent name at some point here
in the future, which here beads to the next question. Guys,
(25:16):
Michigan is one of the bigger brands in all of football,
not just in college but in football period. Big brand,
big expectations. The problem is they don't really win all
that big. They've only won two national championships since Moby
Dick was a guppy. So here's the question I ask you, guys.
(25:37):
Now that Shennemore is out of town, they have an
interim coach, they'll be looking for the next hot name
here relatively quickly. Is the head football coach at the
University of Michigan still a plumb job in your opinion?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
And Kelvin, as you know, being a columnist and a
TV guy and radio guy in Detroit for twenty years,
you know I'm i had two sides to Michigan because
I always thought that's so crazy, as big as Michigan
football is and the tradition and both sham Beckler as
a statute, he never even won a national championship and
(26:12):
he's revered in Michigan. And it was still about the
Big Ten and beating Ohio State madd at Moore because
they didn't win national championships. They really didn't. And as
much as I pushed back against that, I will defend
that Michigan is a blue blood and one of the
pieces of the fabric of college football, from the winged helmet,
to the big House, to all the stuff that the
(26:35):
maze and blue, all the stuff that goes into it.
I don't think they won enough or you know what
I mean, or it should be celebrated or the Alabama
or some of these other schools that have won a
ton of championships compared to Michigan. But I can't discount
or pooh pool the Michigan football job or their tradition
and their place with the blue bloods of college football.
(26:58):
I do believe that Michigan in the same conversation with
Alabama and USC and you know, in these kind of
schools of Notre Dame and all that.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Those are the schools are the fabric of college football.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
I absolutely, one thousand percent agree. A couple of reason
whyse we talked about Bob t doesn't think it's anyth Yeah,
we're here side. It's craziness.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
We want to hear from you. Though.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
You're right that they didn't win a bunch of national championships.
But I think one thing we disregard now because everything's
about the BCS didn't turn college football playoffs.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Winning a bowl used.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
To be huge. The Rose Bowl was huge, Like that
was a massive deal. Sugar Bowls were massive deals. You know,
all these bowl games. So for years, if Michigan would
win and you win the Big Ten and then you
come over here and you play the West Coast and
you play USC or UCLA or some team in Washington
and from the Pac twelve and the Rose Bowl, that
was a big deal. So to have that brand on
(27:52):
a massive day when America everybody's watching college football and
you're seeing that Maze and blue, they're playing hell to
the victors, you know what I mean. And it's Michigan
that created a huge, massive brand. Having some Heisman Trophy
winners as well, you know, Desmond Howard, Charles Woodson. So
that adds to the lure as well. I absolutely believe
it's a great gig. It's a great city. Obvious gonna
(28:13):
buyas some born and raised there, No.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
But for somebody from New York who didn't grow up
with college football, like I'm not.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
You, it's a great feel. It is a big deal.
So I think as of the last twenty five thirty years,
you start to get more of the you know these up,
a couple of schools that start to pop up. Clemsons,
Clemson's popped up over the last fifteen years or so.
You know, Florida State in the nineties, Miami and the
late eighties, in the nineties, but throughout those sixties, seventies, eighties,
(28:42):
and even nineties, Michigan became a really big deal. And
I agree eight and four was kind of regular when
I was growing up there. Nine and three was okay,
you know I lost to Appalachian State. Don't bring that up.
Why you come on, man, why you gotta go there?
That was in Rich Rod there, Rich Rod Reege.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
No, No, that wasn't Rich. That was rich. That wasn't Rich.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Brady Hoe I mean, uh, brat Brady.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
No, no, no, before that, why am I Martin? Was
that Lloyd Lloyd Car That was the beginning. That was
the end, the end, beginning of the.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
End for Lloyd Car When they lost that game, man,
that was crazy. I remember when Brady Holk was there,
his nickname was Brady Joe.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Yeah. It was bad.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
It was bad for a little while there. But so
that is the dirty secret. I will agree that Michigan
hasn't won quite like your thought, but I still think
it's a powerhouse. And I still think it's a massive job,
a massive get, and a great opportunity.
Speaker 9 (29:31):
The other thing about Michigan, like I it's one hundred
percent true. If you if you lost like Lloyd Carr,
you lose two games in beatle House did every so
often they'll build a statue for you. You're good to go.
Same thing with for really being honests Jim Harbaugh. It
was ugly before COVID.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Remember Jim Harbaugh too had to take a pay cut
at Michigan, I remember vividly.
Speaker 9 (29:51):
But the thing about it is in this day and
age with nil money, yeah, Michigan in them. In terms
of what makes a competitive co football program, today in
a world where Indiana is the number one team in
the nation, there's no excuse. And honestly, like last year
was ridiculous that you miss a program on Michigan should
(30:13):
have a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
No, I completely agree. Jim Harbaugh created that we don't
need a quarterback thing. We just run and play defense.
And now, because remember Michigan was quarterback you for a
long time, They're putting a lot of guys in it.
I'm not saying they're all great, but they were putting
them in the league. Chad Henty, Brian Greasy, obviously, Tom Brady,
Drew Henson. They're putting some guys. I'm probably missing two
or three more. They were putting guys in the league quarterback.
(30:35):
Then for some reason they just go about quarterback.
Speaker 9 (30:38):
If Michigan can spend ten million dollars on Bryce Underwood,
there would be a high level coach at University of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Oh no, no, no doubt, Rob g Yeah, what's your pushback?
Pushback is that Michigan has gone bag'e trash, Right.
Speaker 10 (30:52):
Rob, There's always some nuanced to everything. But no, they're
doing all the fame or he sucks. There's no middle ground,
not all the way eractly, and everything.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
You guys said is accurate, all three of you about
Michigan and what it means they're and for all of
those reasons, why I believe that it is not that
great of a job. Because you have all of this
tradition and all this nil money, and everybody's always excited
about Michigan. And you know, if you win Ohio State,
you know, it's you're the best thing to is life bread.
But if you lose, then we got to get you
(31:25):
up out of there. There's a lot of there's a
lot of pressure building around the community. Michigan carries themselves
like their Alabama, like their Notre Dame, like their Ohio State,
and they're not they don't win.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Yeah, you're right, Notre Dame has it won Michigan.
Speaker 9 (31:43):
But you're talking about Michigan carries like Alabama and Georgia
like the last two years.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
So here are the four you know, big jobs that
were available this past offseason. College football, Penn State, Michigan,
als Well, Michigan, now LSU, and Florida. Since two thousand,
Penn State has won three Big Ten championships. Michigan has
won four Big Ten championships. Since two thousand, LSU has
(32:09):
won three national championships, Michigan has won one. Florida since
two thousand has won two national championships, Michigan has won one.
You can get all the money, all the nil money,
all the popping circumstance that comes with being the big
dog at Michigan somewhere else without having to deal with
(32:31):
the pressure that comes from being at Michigan. You can
be Billy Napier in Florida, make a gang of money
of all the same access, and I have to worry
about Hey, if I go eight and four and I
lose to Florida State, it's not the end of the world.
Michigan has his idea that they should be in the
mix every single year, and they're just not. So why
do you want to sign up for that kind of
outsized pressure.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
I don't think Michigan. I think the dirty secret is
they don't expect it like that. I think they nine
and three they're quietly like, all right, we're good again
if every couple of years, every other year we beat
Michigan's or Ohio State, all right, And by the way,
what your what you just read was good. If you
just go back three more years. Then they have to
like Florida. I mean, if you go from ninety seven
to now, they got to like Florida, you know what
(33:13):
I mean, which they will be behind LSU by one.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
So is it a better job than Penn State? Are
Is it a better job than Florida?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Is it a Is it a better job than LSU?
Speaker 5 (33:24):
No?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Not now.
Speaker 9 (33:26):
No, here's the thing you if you if you recruit LSU,
if you just recruit the state of Louisiana, you're gonna
win ten games.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
That's the thing that Michigan doesn't happen, all right.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
They got enough players coming out of that state alone,
and they all want to play at home, you know,
like they're not trying to go somewhere.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
They don't have to go somewhere.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
That's that's to draw back of University Michigan is you
got to recruit Ohio. You got to recruit the South.
You can't just recruit the state of Michigan. But in
terms of the finances, the resources, and to the point,
all you gotta do is really truly beat Michigan State,
compete against Ohio State. And if you drop a random
game to Indie in November, everybody will be fine with it,
because the other dirty secret is there's no chance a
(34:05):
ten to two Michigan is getting left out of anything
in college football. That's why I not the Dame's so
upset right now because they're just not supposed to get
left out.
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