December 15, 2025 • 32 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us if it’s fair to say that Patrick Mahomes will never win another Super Bowl in his NFL career, debate whether Matthew Stafford or Josh Allen is more deserving of the NFL MVP award, and tell us what they liked – and didn’t like – about Philip Rivers’ season debut for the Indianapolis Colts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It is a magic city Monday, and man, I have
been out there in the parking lot since last night
after this NFL Sunday, and you're welcome in my co hosts.
You use your sheet to wipe itself, as is kelvin Washington.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
What up?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
What did I tell you? What did I text you
guys yesterday that you're already here and that you needed things?
And I think you had things. Rob g knows I
was serious to write. I said I was officially out
of baby oil last night.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Clearly we know.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And you're trying to ruin my good game going experience.
Let me know how excited you were. I don't want
to know you like that.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
It was, man, so many different things to talk about. Wow, Wow, Sunday,
wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Really?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
It really was? And the thing that I guess. You know,
we talk about a lot of stuff on here, and
I'm not gonna rub it in and tell you.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I told you so.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
But I told you so.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Well, I know.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Rob Je was like, please, I know. We don't want
to say that the Chiefs would be eliminated. Okay, you
can get that one, right, Okay, that the Lions would
lose and that they won't make the playoffs and now
they stay out there. But it is scarce, lie, Okay,
it shook it big time. Riverstows that pick at the
end of the game, right, they lose, and I don't
(01:46):
care what anybody says, Oh well, he's forty four, he
looked at But no, no, no, Seattle had six field
goals like at home, no touchdowns, and you didn't win
that game. No, no, no, that's a bad loss for
the I don't care what anybody tries to sell you
on that, So I'm not having it. Shador has the
three interceptions. Didn't play well?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Right?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Can you say that did not play well? And the
Ravens went big. Expect them to lose, but that was
a big game, just the way that they played and whatnot.
And then last but not least, Matthew Stafford to me
dropped in the MVP race because Josh Allen turned in
another that's like three performances. But this is the last thing.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
No.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I want to say this though real quick, and I
know people, you know I'm dead serious about this. You
probably heard a lot of radio today and a lot
of people talking and people writing off the Chiefs and
all this other stuff. But anybody can do reactionary radio,
anybody after the fact, and that that's what I think
(02:55):
we pride ourselves on this show is giving you some inside.
That's why you listen to the Odd Couple. You know,
there was things that went on in the games on
Sunday and what you say when the Chiefs were limit,
Rob said them that I have people tweet me tell me,
you know, like that was the first thing I thought
(03:17):
about because you heard it here. We talk about these things.
If we didn't talk about it just when they started
losing Kelvin this was last year, am I right when
they were winning all the games. I was telling you
about some of this stuff. But anyway, make sure you
listen to a radio show that's gonna give you some
insight and not just react to when things happen good
(03:40):
or bad. Anybody can do that. That's not what we
do here. We appreciate you, make sure people aren't taking
you for granted and not giving you what you really
look for in the radio show, and that's what we
do here. All right, let's do this, rob G. I
know everybody's talking about Patrick Mahomes and oh he's Tom
(04:03):
Brady and wishes Yeah, of course I've never wished anything
bad on Patrick Mahomes. That's just to lose, but not
him the person for him to be injured. No, I
wasn't for that. But Rob G, you know a lot
of people are trying to make the parallel, like, oh,
this happened to Tom Brady and then they were all
for a while, nine years, ten, nine seasons, then they
(04:25):
came back and had a second run.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Well, they're making that comparison for good reason, rob because
just for context, we mentioned yester Patrick Mahomes suffered the torn
acl yesterday in there. We'll call it season ending lost
because they're out of the postseason connection. There are seasons
over for them.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Even though all these analysts were on TV talking about
there we're gonna run the table. But that's another story.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Expected recovery timeline is nine to twelve months, so his
start of next season is in jeopardy as well. But
the reason why they're bring up the tom Brady reference
is because Tom Brady suffered his torn acl at almost
the exact same thing time in.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
His career as Patrick Mahomes did.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Start number one eleven for Tom Brady, start number one
twenty six pats for Home, both of them in their
ninth season. Both of them in their ninth season missed
the playoffs entirely, and then the rest was history.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
With Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Oh, here's the difference. There is no comparison. I sit
here very confidently confidently today in saying that Patrick Mahomes
will not win again. He is not the Tom Brady
scenario that we saw and went nine years. Remember, there's
a lot of things here with the Chiefs that I'm
not buying. Okay, to make it equal, ay, Bill Belichick
(05:41):
wasn't going anywhere when that happened. Andy Weed sixty eight
years old, a pork chop away from not being the
head coach of the Kansasy Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I'm just saying the funniest thing. You know, people feel
like voodoo on somebody. You put pork chops on.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
People just say it a Hall of Fame tight end
and Kelsey's gonna retire, Come on, right, they're gonna lose that.
And then Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady wasn't going down in
his skill set or his numbers. Go Look, Patrick Mahomes
has regressed for two years. And have you looked at
(06:22):
him sidewise? He's got the Dad bond. I'm serious, like
he put right? Would you say that he's put Patrick Mahomes, Yeah,
he was never spo no, no, no, But but I'm
just saying so I'm not buying that. This is the
same scenario and they're gonna have a break and they
come back and win. And the last part that people
(06:44):
leave out on the Patriots in their second run was
the cheating. Are they gonna cheat like the Patriots so
they could lose their coach Hall of Fame tight end?
Patrick Mahomes has regressed the last two years, and are
they going to revert to cheating which is what save
Tom Brady, Bill Belichick and the Patriots. I'm out on
(07:08):
the Chiefs. I sit here confidently in saying Patrick Mahomes
is done in the championship winning business.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
First I will say, you called the Chiefs not making
the postseason, so you get that for me.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
I'll give you that on that.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
The reason why I don't think I didn't think they
would be fifteen to two because I thought they would
lose close games in comparison what they did last year,
not be one in seven in those, right, So you
split the difference. Maybe they're you know, five and two
was eight five and three. Okay, that changes the course
of everything for them. They're in the postseason. They're not
as great as they were record wise last year, but
(07:44):
they're in postseason.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
So I didn't see that coming.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Here's where I disagree with you, and I think they
found themselves in a question of moving forward. He's gonna
be gone potentially nine months to a year. We'll see
how that works out. I do agree, Andy Reed. What
does this mean? Are you ticked off? Is this a comeback?
Let me find that second win? Is this so I'm
all about saying we've had a great run, whether it's
himself saying I'm retiring, or if it's the organization saying,
(08:07):
hey man, we had a heck of a run. We
glad you brought you in. It worked out. Go ahead,
and joy the rest of your life. So that will
be left to see the next year or so. I
don't think it happens immediately, but the next year or two,
we'll see what happens there. Travis Kelce, Obviously, go ahead, bro,
it's time to retire. Go ahead and live a good life.
You've got a good life ahead and marry, get pregnant.
Go ahead, live your life. I'm sure you'll be in movies,
(08:28):
you'll be on TV, you'll be all that good stuff.
Now the question be comes. Will the Patrick Mahomes era
with the Chiefs be more like the Dallas Cowboys of
the nineties or the Tom Brady as you just referenced
with the Patriots. Will they win three and five? You
know that whole thing through for there they went to
a bunch. But will they win three and five? Like
the nineties? Have stars? We remember them, We think of
(08:50):
them finally, all man, the Cowboys of the nineties were
a big team. Andy Reid, Jim Johnson, are Emma Smith.
It ain't one sense will they be that version or
will they be more like the patri Get that eight
year nine year lull in between, refurbish, get the thing
going back again and I thought about it, and I
think what the Patriots were able to do was absolutely
ridiculous and maybe won't be done for another forty fifty years.
(09:11):
But you're doing knowledge cheating part oh without a doubt.
I mean they found a way to have things in
their favor.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
You're filming stuff, you got defense, nobody else he's got
defensive signals.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Yeah, they're doing for without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
And I thought about it because I talked too about
it with Rob g and I said, man, what they
be like the Patriots of Coppins?
Speaker 4 (09:28):
And you know what I came up with.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
They're gonna end up he being Patrick Mahomes be more
like John Elway, I think, meaning he won't go to four, five,
six more later like a Brady, But I think he'll
be able to get another one and maybe go to
one or two more like John Elway did, because I
think the onus will now be on the Chiefs. Can
he get more players? Can he get his DeVante Adams?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
You know?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Can he get the big name guys? Can they get
a running back with the big name? Can they start
to rely on him? If you look at a guy
like Peyton Manning was putting up crazy historic numbers for years.
Peyton Manning had Edrin James, Reggie Wayne, he had Marvin Harrison,
he had tight end Dallas Clark Meeting. He had a
bunch of great guys in their prime, Ken Patrick Mahomes
for maybe two three years, flowing around a little bit.
(10:10):
Then they can retool him with that and next thing
you know, he's making a John Alwell like where I
have my Terrell Davis, I have my Rod what was
his name that the receiver forgot his name, but Rod Smith,
ed McCaffrey, I'm running, got Shannon Sharp, I got a
great defense. Will he have those things where he can
get off and get a couple more? Can he be
(10:32):
Peyton Manning with the Broncos point being, guys can get
some at the end where they don't have to be everything.
That's what I think is gonna happen. I agree it
won't be a Patriot run off another bunch of Super
Bowl titles, but I think he can get a John
Lway one or two once they built around him and
he's not everything.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I think that'll that'll be more likely to Here's in
the last piece.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Look at all the young quarterbacks in the AFC two
like like there's a ton of guy eyes that are
in the way as they try to reach and disagree
with that and that, and that's Tom Brady did not
have that like not yeah yeah, Peyton Manning, but that
was it. I'm serious, that was his.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Don't disrespect oh Man Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, it ain't the
same man.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Well, none of these guys have eaten or tasted a championship,
and once they do, you never know what happened.
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Speaker 1 (12:04):
Ram's got some fans. Now when y'all winning, it ain't
quite what you think. But Ram's trying to get some fans, now,
Rob g litle little bit. It's not a full house yet,
but they're trying to get some fans at the end
of SOFI Stadium.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yeah, I mean, you guys talked about it.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
The MVP race scene up in Matthew Stafford, who's been
the favorite most of the season, him and.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Drake May kind of battling it out right there.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Matthew Stafford, surprise, surprise, supplanted himself once again as the
odds on favorite to win the NFL MVP. He's currently
a heavy minus three hundred favorite according to bet mgm
Lamar Mitchell friend of the show and if the way
things are going on right now. Of course, they had
a big game this Thursday. Demonte Adams questionable with that
hamstring injury. This game on Thursday between the Rams and
(12:46):
the Seahawks not only could determine the NFC West champion,
the one seed in the NFC, and the MVP all
coming up on Thursday, because.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
If he has a stinker in that game, that could
alter huge game for Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Rob I watched that game.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I was there, obviously, and I just saw Matthew Stafford
continue to have a season like he's never had. And
Matthew Stafford has had really good seasons before. And I
think a couple of reasons why I.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Tow an interception to start the game, right, he.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Did throw an interception. I'm just saying, I know he
threw an interception.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
I was there. He threw it interception.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And now he ended up throwing up with some other touchdowns,
throw some amazing passes, obviously, some ended up with three
hundred plus yards three touchdowns, I believe it was, and
right now continue to have two two yeah, and added
to his MVP candidacy. A couple of reasons why to
me when you look at him and maybe again Josh Allen,
who's in there now you look at some of their stats. Now,
(13:44):
they're obviously two different players. Matthew Staford ain't run nowhere,
he ain't chasing down an ice cream truck. But Josh Allen,
of course is one of the best, if not the
best ever at the kind of the duel. So touchdowns
when you look at it, twenty five passing touchdowns for
Josh Allen thirty seven for Matthews thirty seven, he only
has five innerceptions. He's having his best year ever and
(14:04):
he's having at the advanced age of thirty seven. Him
and Sean McVay are really cooking up. He's got great
weapons on the outside. They all got a little nicked
up yesterday. We'll have to see how that plays out.
He has a passer rating one hundred and twelve. Couple
of things also to note to me, which has him
still looking up looking down on everyone else, just by
hair on his chinny chin chin. Also, if he wins
the division, that's the division with the Seahawks, who are
(14:26):
a good team, and also with the forty nine ers
who are a good team, both really good teams, and
that'll be huge to me as well. Winning that division, well,
I think that's the that's the ceiling that if he
wins that, you win that division, your stats say that
keep about the same where they are the trajectory.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
To me, that's the winning thing. He would have won
a very tough division.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Well, if he loses, you he's not the MVP.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Now. I gotta see everything plays out. But that to
me is no I got you. That to me seals
the deal. You win this NFC West, which is incredibly difficult,
and you're still putting up these incredible numbers. Again, I
did thirty seven touchdowns, five interceptions, And again we've been
hearing it. Even when he was in Detroit, you were
hearing it. He's your favorite quarter's favorite quarterback. He's your
favorite quarterback, favorite quarterback. He's the guy always a guns
(15:07):
Looking at arm most talented, look at his passing ability.
He finally would have an opportunity to add that to
his you know, his his award winning trophy shelf at
the house, and I think a lot of people will
want to clown to crown him that.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I think a lot of people would enjoy that storyline.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Look at the old man, the old gunslinger, having his
best season ever at this advanced age, at thirty seven,
you know, getting maybe potentially the number one seed in
the NFC. So I think that to me still keeps
him ahead to anyone else. Is the numbers themselves, which
is incredible numbers. The factor leading division, possibly can win
one of the toughest divisions in football. They might win
(15:43):
their conference as well, tough conference as well. And so
to me, he's the leading candidate right now Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Still Matthew Stafford lost the MVP yesterday. He is not
the favorite to win the MVP. First of all, yesterday
against the Lions, he didn't do anything special.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Guess what.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
The Lions have given up one three hundred and seventy
seven passing yards and ten passing touchdowns their last four games.
Opposing quarterbacks have thrown for at least three hundred and
sixty yards in three of the last four games. Oh,
he didn't do anything special. He's doing what everybody has
done against the Lions. Here's why Matthew Stafford lost the
(16:24):
MVP yesterday because we saw another game of the year
from Josh Allen. He's down twenty one to nothing on
the road to the best team in the AFC, and
he engineers an unbelievable comeback. All right, h He did
(16:48):
it in Week fourteen against the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
That were dead.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
He brought them back. And Week one, can we forget?
Can we not forget that game against the Ravens. Ravens
put forty points on him, and guess what, Josh Allen
rallied them in the fourth quarter and they won that game.
In those three games of the year, Are you ready? Yeah,
(17:13):
three hundred and thirty two yards per game, eleven total
touchdowns and no interceptions. And I'm gonna tell you this
is gonna remind me of the year when Aaron Rodgers
beat out Tom Brady for the MVP. You know why,
(17:33):
Tom Brady had bigger numbers. Tom Brady had five thousand,
three hundred and sixteen passing yards and forty three touchdowns.
Aaron Rodgers had forty one hundred and fifteen yards and
thirty seven touchdowns. They had the same record. But guess
what Aaron Rodgers had bigger wins? Rob g They went
(17:56):
to the desert, right You remember the Cardinals was seven
and you know without Davonte Adams, and he beat them.
They beat the forty nine ers in San Francisco with
eighteen seconds to go. You remember that drove him down,
kicked the field goal. That's what people look at. When
did you win? What kind of wins did you have?
(18:20):
Yesterday was a win for the Ages down twenty one
to nothing. Everybody's telling me that the Patriots are back.
Look how great they are. How they win that game?
Josh Allen, that's an MVP. He didn't have one great game.
He had three and we saw it before when Lamar
(18:43):
Jackson went to San Francisco do you remember that, Yeah,
and put on a show on Christmas night to beat
the forty nine ers there and Brock Purty and guests
who won the mv I just said, last night's game
(19:03):
to me was the turning point, because that's a third
two in a row where you're down and you're out,
look at these incredible comebacks, and it's him. You keep
saying it all the time, Matthew Stafford has. It's loaded
with telling pooka canoe a whatever his name?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Man, if you don't stop it by canoeing down the river,
po pookah what his name? And Philip Rivers You got
a canoeing down the rivers right now?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
You got all right, Pooka whatever, Nicoua, Nicoula, Pooka nowicula
whatever the YouTube that's right, Davante Adams. I could go
on and on on that he has all these weapons.
Yes he should he should be rolling. Are you kidding?
You're not doing it with lunch Meet, doing it with
file at is this lunch meet?
Speaker 4 (19:49):
You know how many other MVPs was for laid Up?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
You know how many other m vps at fil A
lobster and scripts scrimps. But I'm telling you that Josh
Allen has lunch met let me tell you what I've
been saying that you know that's one of my things. Now,
let me say this a couple of things Josh Allen.
First of all, Josh Allen, you got your best player
in the league. Whatever you want to put a one,
two three like, that's that's not crazy him being right
there in the mix. A couple of things, while I
still don't think it's quite him, Josh Allen is going
(20:14):
up against Josh Allen, and I don't know that we
would look at this season and say Josh Allen is
out Josh Allening last year. And I think that plays
a factor. For anytime you're an MVP any sport, it
gets difficult when people compare you to what we've said.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Give a MVP to a thirty seven year old who's
only who's like a two time like like that makes.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
More sense to me. It doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I mean, that doesn't hide. That's what what I'm saying
that they're gonna look at Josh Allen and go he
was the MVP last year. Look at what he did
without any weapons, and look what matt did, would have
loaded it got They added Davante Adams to the mix,
just telling you. And if they don't win, if they
lose to Seattle, ain't no way to win the MVP. Well,
if Seattle had a nerd almost lose to the Colts
(20:58):
to a sixty seven year old now Matthew Stafford again.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Thirty seven touchdowns to five interception. I know it's crazy.
A couple other things. You got some bad losses. You
got the loss to the Falcons via the Bills, you
got the lost to the Dolphins early, and then you
that that had to come back against the Bengals, as
well as one of the games you just mentioned. So
those to me are games where I say, if you're superior,
team superior, why are we doing this? Why are we
(21:24):
struggling against these things? Why are we losing to the five?
You don't everybody. But but again, when we talk about this,
when I have to nick pick between people, Rob, this
is what you have to do when you start talking
about two greats. I got a nitpick, right, You're gonna say,
Matthew Stafford doing an interception in the beginning of the game. Well,
he bought out the rest of the game, So you
got a nitpick. And that's what I have to do
(21:45):
with Josh Allen right now. And also he had some
middling games this season where he was all right, wasn't great,
like I told you, wasn't great against the Falcons, had
a couple of games where you know this, yeah, wasn't
anything spectacular. So to me, I think there were too
many games where Josh Allen was just there. And now
(22:05):
he's hiring to have some good ones. He is incredible,
good to great, He is incredible. He is the reigning MVP.
But I think what Matthew Stafford has been doing has
been spectacular. You add to the fact that he is
thirty seven. I think that plays into his favor. I
think it plays into his favor that people have been
wanting to crown him but not having the reason two
other resources to right, they couldn't.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
They could have crown him a long time ago, seven
years old. We got two now to Pro Bowls. That's
my point this.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
We're not asking who going to the Hall of Fame, Rob,
We're asking who's the MVP of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I'm just telling you now, their three games are better
than any of the game Stafford had.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
He has the mayriage it Josh Allen down twenty one
nothing that ain't Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Fod He ain't getting down twenty one nothing. And again,
when it's about.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
About getting down, it's about coming back and winning the game,
you know. But I can't come back if I ain't
getting down it like that. I'm just telling you that's
what people look at, and I think they're going to
look at look at what he's doing. His best season ever.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
He's had good seasons, two great seasons before Matthew Stafford.
Now he's doing it with thirty seven touchdown five except
at thirty seven and could win the division and win
the conference.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
What a story, What a sendoff? If this is it
for it would be the worst thing. If stat pad
for won an MVP.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
You can't call him that distion. Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
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Speaker 3 (23:28):
This is my football season of domination of you. We'll
still I got one on baking on. There's a couple.
There's a couple of things here. I got a couple.
I'm still in it.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
One.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
I feel really good about this. The Steelers.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Okay, you said that they wouldn't win eight games?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
You can do?
Speaker 6 (23:42):
You know?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You keep changing this. You said I said they would
not win. First of all, I said they wouldn't make
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Secondly, then you try to no, no, no, But the bet
was about the win toys and you said eight.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Now did not say eight?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
How many?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Did he say nine?
Speaker 5 (23:58):
No?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
He did not, and he said nine because I tried
to My point was actually ten. But you said you've
tried to make it.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
No, no, no, Okay, So we got that bet, we
got the lie, and I think that's we have. We
got a couple others. I think now I'm trying to
look at you. What else you want to make? We
get some you got?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
You got?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
What else? You got?
Speaker 4 (24:16):
What else? What else is out there?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Rob?
Speaker 4 (24:17):
G think about? So we'll think about something else. All right?
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Well, speaking of bets, me and Rob made a bet
on Friday. You won't hear, Calvin, but it's a good one.
This rest of season. Passer rating Okay, Caleb Williams versus
Philip Rivers.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I got Philip, He's got killed, right. That is funny.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It's it's that is actually interesting because Caleb numbers might
be you know, he might have, yeah, his numbers ten
yards a game or something bigger.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
But when you know the percept that stuff.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
So I was looking really good yesterday until the very
end of the game and a hail mary attempts to
try to salvage a win there for Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
They end up losing on the road to Seattle.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Philip Rivers throws a hail mary attempt that didn't even
get to midfield, intercepted obviously. In the game, one touchdown,
one pick, one hundred and twenty passing yards. Even still,
after that loss, Colts head coach Shane Steichen says Philip
Rivers will be the starter next week, and according to him,
as long as he's upright, Philip Rivers will be the
(25:24):
Colts QB one rest of the season.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I'm gonna say this since you got to say, I
hope the Colts lose every game and don't make the playoffs.
For this chicanery, this mockery of the game, I'm sorry,
And yesterday was a perfect example of had you had
just a decent quarterback, not an old man, not a
grandpa playing. You might have won that game. And that
(25:51):
was a big game to win when your defense plays
that well. And I don't want to hear any bout
oh he gave them agenda win. Do they say the
other game a chance to win?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
No?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
No, no, no no. Why do they bring Philip Rivers
in for a chance to win?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yes, to win?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
To win? You hold Seattle to no touchdowns at home
kelvin zero zero, and you don't win that game. I'm sorry, no, no, no,
that's not good enough. And I just think to take
(26:30):
and again, this is the cronyism. If it was anybody
else who was forty four and hadn't played in five years,
you think that they would be on the on the roster,
on the coach roster. Anybody else, No, nobody else.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
We talked about that, just with TJ. I mean, the
quarterback is the only position that might even have a chance.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
But I'm just saying this is because of the relationship,
not because Philip Rivers is gonna win something for you.
It's just it's so bad. And I wasn't surprised that
they didn't get much going. I know he threw the
one touchdown, but my goodness, gracious man, they should have
won that game. They needed to win that game. And
(27:13):
now considering where they started Daniel Jones, who I didn't
buy into, and then all of a sudden, once they
stopped playing the cupcake schedule, they started losing on a
regular right. That was already happening before the injury. And
now they bring in old man rivers. I'm not surprised
where they are.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Old man rivers are a couple things for me to happen.
Number one, I just saw it and I was like, hey,
you know, he was like and it reminded me of
he's still like he was with the Chargers right there,
things going on. I can't win it, can't win it,
And obviously he had a heck of a career to
charge with. What I mean is when you kind of
needed on the team, when the team needed to do it,
they couldn't get it done. And to me, that was
almost like a car, a forty five, forty four year
(27:51):
old carbon copy of the Chargers staying in it found
a way to be right there in a big game
in the postseason, couldn't get it done. So to me,
I was, oh, old man. River is the same river
still flowing. Reminded me that also. I was looking at
the Seahawks, like, what is going on here that a
forty four year old man comes in here hadn't played
(28:12):
in five years, Rob, that's not even like usually.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Sometimes you round things up.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I mean, it's only two and a half, three, no,
five years, he hadn't played football, and all of.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
A sudden he's staying in the game.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
He goes down, get a last second, you know, gets
a field goal, got a chance to win the game.
Obviously they come down the Seahawks and finally win it. Seahawks,
I thought y'all were the number two defense, the number
one defense overall, number two points allowed, rushing yards of six,
number one, all these huge categories for defensively. I thought
you would be able to get after him, get some interceptions,
(28:44):
get some fumbles, get more sacks. Like I thought, that's
what the Seahawks are gonna do. But we're going to
feast on him. When was the quarterback though you can't
get in the end zone. I'm getting it, I know it.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
And there's there's my thing I keep telling you about
Sam Donald that bothers me.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
And Sam Donald to me on the flip side of this,
the Colts have been a solid to a good team
throughout the year. What they're not is they're not the
best team defensively. Any idea that they got a guy
who isn't scoring and y'all couldn't find a way to
score in the Seahawks. And again you couldn't get after
him and torture him and make life hell for him.
(29:22):
It wasn't that bad for Philip Rivers to be honest
with you, like he just he was, like he was okay,
and he had a couple of passes there. Now obviously
he was checked down, Charlie, But I thought the Seahawks
would make it a living hell. We've seen them do
that to better teams, better quarterbacks. And I walked away
from that a little disappointing them that again that he
d he can't run. He could't run, and he was
in his prime, so you couldn't get him off of
(29:43):
movement and make him scrambling around and getting, you know, uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
But if you're the Colts, really Donald twenty two for
thirty six two seventy one, no picks, no touchdown, no picks.
But but Riley Leonard is the guy who's been on
their roster all year, a rookie quarterback for the Colts,
and why haven't they done enough to coach him up
so that he could do You only scored sixteen points
on the road, right, Yeah, you didn't, didn't blab Oh
(30:09):
my god, Philip Rivers came, he scored thirty wids. He
didn't do anything that was so sixteen points. You can't
get a couple of field goals in one touchdown from
the rookie. Come on, man, you're overplaying yourself, overplaying your hand.
Why haven't you coached up Leonard to be able to
play in this situation? That's why you're the backup. He's
(30:30):
been there all almost all year, right, Rob g almost
all year. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't. And that's
why I'm not gonna I'm gonna rain on Philip Rivers
parade because had he won, Oh, they've been a story,
that's what this, Rob g am. I right or wrong
because the same thing happened with jeffs Saturday when he
(30:52):
won that first game. People went ballistic, they went they
went nuts over Jeff Saturday and then they didn't win
another game.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
If Philip Rivers won, there would be instantly by the
spring a new Netflix movie about him or Disney. I
don't know who will play who will play him. I
have to think of somebody who can play him. But
he absolutely would have had a Disney movie if he
won that game.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And here's the other numbers that that just tells you
where he is. You know, when you have that fat
under your arm and you can't raise it but so much,
you know what I'm saying, those are the best people
to barbecue. That's why I wanted my grill Rivers. I'm
I'm not saying Rivers had that, but these numbers suggest
that maybe there's some some grubbing going on. We listen, Yeah,
he was two for eight for thirty three yards, right
(31:37):
and an iront on throws of ten plus air yards.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Oh he couldn't she was he was checking out Charlie.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Okay, he couldn't get the ball down the field, Like, seriously,
that's ten yards, not twenty yards, not thirty ten yards
ten plus.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I think that the if you isolated, I would say
he played pretty well considering circumstances. Period, I say, But
if I if I say, is this an indictment?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
On again?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
The culture not having a better plan, or maybe the
league for not having guys or guys who are If
you're a guy who been, you known to say you
got you know released recently, you've been on and off
some teams, it's an indictment on your skill set that.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
They ain't want to bring you in.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
The guy is somebody that you had a forty five
year old. I know he knows the system, but that
shouldn't happen. That shouldn't happen. And dagget Rob, I heard
you
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
It is a magic city Monday, and man, I have
been out there in the parking lot since last night
after this NFL Sunday, and you're welcome in my co hosts.
You use your sheet to wipe itself, as is kelvin Washington.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
What up?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
What did I tell you? What did I text you
guys yesterday that you're already here and that you needed things?
And I think you had things. Rob g knows I
was serious to write. I said I was officially out
of baby oil last night.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Clearly we know.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And you're trying to ruin my good game going experience.
Let me know how excited you were. I don't want
to know you like that.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
It was, man, so many different things to talk about. Wow, Wow, Sunday,
wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Really?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
It really was? And the thing that I guess. You know,
we talk about a lot of stuff on here, and
I'm not gonna rub it in and tell you.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I told you so.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
But I told you so.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Well, I know.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Rob Je was like, please, I know. We don't want
to say that the Chiefs would be eliminated. Okay, you
can get that one, right, Okay, that the Lions would
lose and that they won't make the playoffs and now
they stay out there. But it is scarce, lie, Okay,
it shook it big time. Riverstows that pick at the
end of the game, right, they lose, and I don't
(01:46):
care what anybody says, Oh well, he's forty four, he
looked at But no, no, no, Seattle had six field
goals like at home, no touchdowns, and you didn't win
that game. No, no, no, that's a bad loss for
the I don't care what anybody tries to sell you
on that, So I'm not having it. Shador has the
three interceptions. Didn't play well?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Right?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Can you say that did not play well? And the
Ravens went big. Expect them to lose, but that was
a big game, just the way that they played and whatnot.
And then last but not least, Matthew Stafford to me
dropped in the MVP race because Josh Allen turned in
another that's like three performances. But this is the last thing.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
No.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I want to say this though real quick, and I
know people, you know I'm dead serious about this. You
probably heard a lot of radio today and a lot
of people talking and people writing off the Chiefs and
all this other stuff. But anybody can do reactionary radio,
anybody after the fact, and that that's what I think
(02:55):
we pride ourselves on this show is giving you some inside.
That's why you listen to the Odd Couple. You know,
there was things that went on in the games on
Sunday and what you say when the Chiefs were limit,
Rob said them that I have people tweet me tell me,
you know, like that was the first thing I thought
(03:17):
about because you heard it here. We talk about these things.
If we didn't talk about it just when they started
losing Kelvin this was last year, am I right when
they were winning all the games. I was telling you
about some of this stuff. But anyway, make sure you
listen to a radio show that's gonna give you some
insight and not just react to when things happen good
(03:40):
or bad. Anybody can do that. That's not what we
do here. We appreciate you, make sure people aren't taking
you for granted and not giving you what you really
look for in the radio show, and that's what we
do here. All right, let's do this, rob G. I
know everybody's talking about Patrick Mahomes and oh he's Tom
(04:03):
Brady and wishes Yeah, of course I've never wished anything
bad on Patrick Mahomes. That's just to lose, but not
him the person for him to be injured. No, I
wasn't for that. But Rob G, you know a lot
of people are trying to make the parallel, like, oh,
this happened to Tom Brady and then they were all
for a while, nine years, ten, nine seasons, then they
(04:25):
came back and had a second run.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Well, they're making that comparison for good reason, rob because
just for context, we mentioned yester Patrick Mahomes suffered the torn
acl yesterday in there. We'll call it season ending lost
because they're out of the postseason connection. There are seasons
over for them.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Even though all these analysts were on TV talking about
there we're gonna run the table. But that's another story.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Expected recovery timeline is nine to twelve months, so his
start of next season is in jeopardy as well. But
the reason why they're bring up the tom Brady reference
is because Tom Brady suffered his torn acl at almost
the exact same thing time in.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
His career as Patrick Mahomes did.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Start number one eleven for Tom Brady, start number one
twenty six pats for Home, both of them in their
ninth season. Both of them in their ninth season missed
the playoffs entirely, and then the rest was history.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
With Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Oh, here's the difference. There is no comparison. I sit
here very confidently confidently today in saying that Patrick Mahomes
will not win again. He is not the Tom Brady
scenario that we saw and went nine years. Remember, there's
a lot of things here with the Chiefs that I'm
not buying. Okay, to make it equal, ay, Bill Belichick
(05:41):
wasn't going anywhere when that happened. Andy Weed sixty eight
years old, a pork chop away from not being the
head coach of the Kansasy Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I'm just saying the funniest thing. You know, people feel
like voodoo on somebody. You put pork chops on.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
People just say it a Hall of Fame tight end
and Kelsey's gonna retire, Come on, right, they're gonna lose that.
And then Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady wasn't going down in
his skill set or his numbers. Go Look, Patrick Mahomes
has regressed for two years. And have you looked at
(06:22):
him sidewise? He's got the Dad bond. I'm serious, like
he put right? Would you say that he's put Patrick Mahomes, Yeah,
he was never spo no, no, no, But but I'm
just saying so I'm not buying that. This is the
same scenario and they're gonna have a break and they
come back and win. And the last part that people
(06:44):
leave out on the Patriots in their second run was
the cheating. Are they gonna cheat like the Patriots so
they could lose their coach Hall of Fame tight end?
Patrick Mahomes has regressed the last two years, and are
they going to revert to cheating which is what save
Tom Brady, Bill Belichick and the Patriots. I'm out on
(07:08):
the Chiefs. I sit here confidently in saying Patrick Mahomes
is done in the championship winning business.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
First I will say, you called the Chiefs not making
the postseason, so you get that for me.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
I'll give you that on that.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
The reason why I don't think I didn't think they
would be fifteen to two because I thought they would
lose close games in comparison what they did last year,
not be one in seven in those, right, So you
split the difference. Maybe they're you know, five and two
was eight five and three. Okay, that changes the course
of everything for them. They're in the postseason. They're not
as great as they were record wise last year, but
(07:44):
they're in postseason.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
So I didn't see that coming.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Here's where I disagree with you, and I think they
found themselves in a question of moving forward. He's gonna
be gone potentially nine months to a year. We'll see
how that works out. I do agree, Andy Reed. What
does this mean? Are you ticked off? Is this a comeback?
Let me find that second win? Is this so I'm
all about saying we've had a great run, whether it's
himself saying I'm retiring, or if it's the organization saying,
(08:07):
hey man, we had a heck of a run. We
glad you brought you in. It worked out. Go ahead,
and joy the rest of your life. So that will
be left to see the next year or so. I
don't think it happens immediately, but the next year or two,
we'll see what happens there. Travis Kelce, Obviously, go ahead, bro,
it's time to retire. Go ahead and live a good life.
You've got a good life ahead and marry, get pregnant.
Go ahead, live your life. I'm sure you'll be in movies,
(08:28):
you'll be on TV, you'll be all that good stuff.
Now the question be comes. Will the Patrick Mahomes era
with the Chiefs be more like the Dallas Cowboys of
the nineties or the Tom Brady as you just referenced
with the Patriots. Will they win three and five? You
know that whole thing through for there they went to
a bunch. But will they win three and five? Like
the nineties? Have stars? We remember them, We think of
(08:50):
them finally, all man, the Cowboys of the nineties were
a big team. Andy Reid, Jim Johnson, are Emma Smith.
It ain't one sense will they be that version or
will they be more like the patri Get that eight
year nine year lull in between, refurbish, get the thing
going back again and I thought about it, and I
think what the Patriots were able to do was absolutely
ridiculous and maybe won't be done for another forty fifty years.
(09:11):
But you're doing knowledge cheating part oh without a doubt.
I mean they found a way to have things in
their favor.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
You're filming stuff, you got defense, nobody else he's got
defensive signals.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Yeah, they're doing for without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
And I thought about it because I talked too about
it with Rob g and I said, man, what they
be like the Patriots of Coppins?
Speaker 4 (09:28):
And you know what I came up with.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
They're gonna end up he being Patrick Mahomes be more
like John Elway, I think, meaning he won't go to four, five,
six more later like a Brady, But I think he'll
be able to get another one and maybe go to
one or two more like John Elway did, because I
think the onus will now be on the Chiefs. Can
he get more players? Can he get his DeVante Adams?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
You know?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Can he get the big name guys? Can they get
a running back with the big name? Can they start
to rely on him? If you look at a guy
like Peyton Manning was putting up crazy historic numbers for years.
Peyton Manning had Edrin James, Reggie Wayne, he had Marvin Harrison,
he had tight end Dallas Clark Meeting. He had a
bunch of great guys in their prime, Ken Patrick Mahomes
for maybe two three years, flowing around a little bit.
(10:10):
Then they can retool him with that and next thing
you know, he's making a John Alwell like where I
have my Terrell Davis, I have my Rod what was
his name that the receiver forgot his name, but Rod Smith,
ed McCaffrey, I'm running, got Shannon Sharp, I got a
great defense. Will he have those things where he can
get off and get a couple more? Can he be
(10:32):
Peyton Manning with the Broncos point being, guys can get
some at the end where they don't have to be everything.
That's what I think is gonna happen. I agree it
won't be a Patriot run off another bunch of Super
Bowl titles, but I think he can get a John
Lway one or two once they built around him and
he's not everything.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I think that'll that'll be more likely to Here's in
the last piece.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Look at all the young quarterbacks in the AFC two
like like there's a ton of guy eyes that are
in the way as they try to reach and disagree
with that and that, and that's Tom Brady did not
have that like not yeah yeah, Peyton Manning, but that
was it. I'm serious, that was his.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Don't disrespect oh Man Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, it ain't the
same man.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Well, none of these guys have eaten or tasted a championship,
and once they do, you never know what happened.
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Speaker 1 (12:04):
Ram's got some fans. Now when y'all winning, it ain't
quite what you think. But Ram's trying to get some fans, now,
Rob g litle little bit. It's not a full house yet,
but they're trying to get some fans at the end
of SOFI Stadium.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yeah, I mean, you guys talked about it.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
The MVP race scene up in Matthew Stafford, who's been
the favorite most of the season, him and.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Drake May kind of battling it out right there.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Matthew Stafford, surprise, surprise, supplanted himself once again as the
odds on favorite to win the NFL MVP. He's currently
a heavy minus three hundred favorite according to bet mgm
Lamar Mitchell friend of the show and if the way
things are going on right now. Of course, they had
a big game this Thursday. Demonte Adams questionable with that
hamstring injury. This game on Thursday between the Rams and
(12:46):
the Seahawks not only could determine the NFC West champion,
the one seed in the NFC, and the MVP all
coming up on Thursday, because.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
If he has a stinker in that game, that could
alter huge game for Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Rob I watched that game.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I was there, obviously, and I just saw Matthew Stafford
continue to have a season like he's never had. And
Matthew Stafford has had really good seasons before. And I
think a couple of reasons why I.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Tow an interception to start the game, right, he.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Did throw an interception. I'm just saying, I know he
threw an interception.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
I was there. He threw it interception.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And now he ended up throwing up with some other touchdowns,
throw some amazing passes, obviously, some ended up with three
hundred plus yards three touchdowns, I believe it was, and
right now continue to have two two yeah, and added
to his MVP candidacy. A couple of reasons why to
me when you look at him and maybe again Josh Allen,
who's in there now you look at some of their stats. Now,
(13:44):
they're obviously two different players. Matthew Staford ain't run nowhere,
he ain't chasing down an ice cream truck. But Josh Allen,
of course is one of the best, if not the
best ever at the kind of the duel. So touchdowns
when you look at it, twenty five passing touchdowns for
Josh Allen thirty seven for Matthews thirty seven, he only
has five innerceptions. He's having his best year ever and
(14:04):
he's having at the advanced age of thirty seven. Him
and Sean McVay are really cooking up. He's got great
weapons on the outside. They all got a little nicked
up yesterday. We'll have to see how that plays out.
He has a passer rating one hundred and twelve. Couple
of things also to note to me, which has him
still looking up looking down on everyone else, just by
hair on his chinny chin chin. Also, if he wins
the division, that's the division with the Seahawks, who are
(14:26):
a good team, and also with the forty nine ers
who are a good team, both really good teams, and
that'll be huge to me as well. Winning that division, well,
I think that's the that's the ceiling that if he
wins that, you win that division, your stats say that
keep about the same where they are the trajectory.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
To me, that's the winning thing. He would have won
a very tough division.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Well, if he loses, you he's not the MVP.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Now. I gotta see everything plays out. But that to
me is no I got you. That to me seals
the deal. You win this NFC West, which is incredibly difficult,
and you're still putting up these incredible numbers. Again, I
did thirty seven touchdowns, five interceptions, And again we've been
hearing it. Even when he was in Detroit, you were
hearing it. He's your favorite quarter's favorite quarterback. He's your
favorite quarterback, favorite quarterback. He's the guy always a guns
(15:07):
Looking at arm most talented, look at his passing ability.
He finally would have an opportunity to add that to
his you know, his his award winning trophy shelf at
the house, and I think a lot of people will
want to clown to crown him that.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I think a lot of people would enjoy that storyline.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Look at the old man, the old gunslinger, having his
best season ever at this advanced age, at thirty seven,
you know, getting maybe potentially the number one seed in
the NFC. So I think that to me still keeps
him ahead to anyone else. Is the numbers themselves, which
is incredible numbers. The factor leading division, possibly can win
one of the toughest divisions in football. They might win
(15:43):
their conference as well, tough conference as well. And so
to me, he's the leading candidate right now Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Still Matthew Stafford lost the MVP yesterday. He is not
the favorite to win the MVP. First of all, yesterday
against the Lions, he didn't do anything special.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Guess what.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
The Lions have given up one three hundred and seventy
seven passing yards and ten passing touchdowns their last four games.
Opposing quarterbacks have thrown for at least three hundred and
sixty yards in three of the last four games. Oh,
he didn't do anything special. He's doing what everybody has
done against the Lions. Here's why Matthew Stafford lost the
(16:24):
MVP yesterday because we saw another game of the year
from Josh Allen. He's down twenty one to nothing on
the road to the best team in the AFC, and
he engineers an unbelievable comeback. All right, h He did
(16:48):
it in Week fourteen against the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
That were dead.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
He brought them back. And Week one, can we forget?
Can we not forget that game against the Ravens. Ravens
put forty points on him, and guess what, Josh Allen
rallied them in the fourth quarter and they won that game.
In those three games of the year, Are you ready? Yeah,
(17:13):
three hundred and thirty two yards per game, eleven total
touchdowns and no interceptions. And I'm gonna tell you this
is gonna remind me of the year when Aaron Rodgers
beat out Tom Brady for the MVP. You know why,
(17:33):
Tom Brady had bigger numbers. Tom Brady had five thousand,
three hundred and sixteen passing yards and forty three touchdowns.
Aaron Rodgers had forty one hundred and fifteen yards and
thirty seven touchdowns. They had the same record. But guess
what Aaron Rodgers had bigger wins? Rob g They went
(17:56):
to the desert, right You remember the Cardinals was seven
and you know without Davonte Adams, and he beat them.
They beat the forty nine ers in San Francisco with
eighteen seconds to go. You remember that drove him down,
kicked the field goal. That's what people look at. When
did you win? What kind of wins did you have?
(18:20):
Yesterday was a win for the Ages down twenty one
to nothing. Everybody's telling me that the Patriots are back.
Look how great they are. How they win that game?
Josh Allen, that's an MVP. He didn't have one great game.
He had three and we saw it before when Lamar
(18:43):
Jackson went to San Francisco do you remember that, Yeah,
and put on a show on Christmas night to beat
the forty nine ers there and Brock Purty and guests
who won the mv I just said, last night's game
(19:03):
to me was the turning point, because that's a third
two in a row where you're down and you're out,
look at these incredible comebacks, and it's him. You keep
saying it all the time, Matthew Stafford has. It's loaded
with telling pooka canoe a whatever his name?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Man, if you don't stop it by canoeing down the river,
po pookah what his name? And Philip Rivers You got
a canoeing down the rivers right now?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
You got all right, Pooka whatever, Nicoua, Nicoula, Pooka nowicula
whatever the YouTube that's right, Davante Adams. I could go
on and on on that he has all these weapons.
Yes he should he should be rolling. Are you kidding?
You're not doing it with lunch Meet, doing it with
file at is this lunch meet?
Speaker 4 (19:49):
You know how many other MVPs was for laid Up?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
You know how many other m vps at fil A
lobster and scripts scrimps. But I'm telling you that Josh
Allen has lunch met let me tell you what I've
been saying that you know that's one of my things. Now,
let me say this a couple of things Josh Allen.
First of all, Josh Allen, you got your best player
in the league. Whatever you want to put a one,
two three like, that's that's not crazy him being right
there in the mix. A couple of things, while I
still don't think it's quite him, Josh Allen is going
(20:14):
up against Josh Allen, and I don't know that we
would look at this season and say Josh Allen is
out Josh Allening last year. And I think that plays
a factor. For anytime you're an MVP any sport, it
gets difficult when people compare you to what we've said.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Give a MVP to a thirty seven year old who's
only who's like a two time like like that makes.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
More sense to me. It doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I mean, that doesn't hide. That's what what I'm saying
that they're gonna look at Josh Allen and go he
was the MVP last year. Look at what he did
without any weapons, and look what matt did, would have
loaded it got They added Davante Adams to the mix,
just telling you. And if they don't win, if they
lose to Seattle, ain't no way to win the MVP. Well,
if Seattle had a nerd almost lose to the Colts
(20:58):
to a sixty seven year old now Matthew Stafford again.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Thirty seven touchdowns to five interception. I know it's crazy.
A couple other things. You got some bad losses. You
got the loss to the Falcons via the Bills, you
got the lost to the Dolphins early, and then you
that that had to come back against the Bengals, as
well as one of the games you just mentioned. So
those to me are games where I say, if you're superior,
team superior, why are we doing this? Why are we
(21:24):
struggling against these things? Why are we losing to the five?
You don't everybody. But but again, when we talk about this,
when I have to nick pick between people, Rob, this
is what you have to do when you start talking
about two greats. I got a nitpick, right, You're gonna say,
Matthew Stafford doing an interception in the beginning of the game. Well,
he bought out the rest of the game, So you
got a nitpick. And that's what I have to do
(21:45):
with Josh Allen right now. And also he had some
middling games this season where he was all right, wasn't great,
like I told you, wasn't great against the Falcons, had
a couple of games where you know this, yeah, wasn't
anything spectacular. So to me, I think there were too
many games where Josh Allen was just there. And now
(22:05):
he's hiring to have some good ones. He is incredible,
good to great, He is incredible. He is the reigning MVP.
But I think what Matthew Stafford has been doing has
been spectacular. You add to the fact that he is
thirty seven. I think that plays into his favor. I
think it plays into his favor that people have been
wanting to crown him but not having the reason two
other resources to right, they couldn't.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
They could have crown him a long time ago, seven
years old. We got two now to Pro Bowls. That's
my point this.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
We're not asking who going to the Hall of Fame, Rob,
We're asking who's the MVP of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I'm just telling you now, their three games are better
than any of the game Stafford had.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
He has the mayriage it Josh Allen down twenty one
nothing that ain't Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Fod He ain't getting down twenty one nothing. And again,
when it's about.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
About getting down, it's about coming back and winning the game,
you know. But I can't come back if I ain't
getting down it like that. I'm just telling you that's
what people look at, and I think they're going to
look at look at what he's doing. His best season ever.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
He's had good seasons, two great seasons before Matthew Stafford.
Now he's doing it with thirty seven touchdown five except
at thirty seven and could win the division and win
the conference.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
What a story, What a sendoff? If this is it
for it would be the worst thing. If stat pad
for won an MVP.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
You can't call him that distion. Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
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Speaker 3 (23:28):
This is my football season of domination of you. We'll
still I got one on baking on. There's a couple.
There's a couple of things here. I got a couple.
I'm still in it.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
One.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
I feel really good about this. The Steelers.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Okay, you said that they wouldn't win eight games?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
You can do?
Speaker 6 (23:42):
You know?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You keep changing this. You said I said they would
not win. First of all, I said they wouldn't make
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Secondly, then you try to no, no, no, But the bet
was about the win toys and you said eight.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Now did not say eight?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
How many?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Did he say nine?
Speaker 5 (23:58):
No?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
He did not, and he said nine because I tried
to My point was actually ten. But you said you've
tried to make it.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
No, no, no, Okay, So we got that bet, we
got the lie, and I think that's we have. We
got a couple others. I think now I'm trying to
look at you. What else you want to make? We
get some you got?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
You got?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
What else? You got?
Speaker 4 (24:16):
What else? What else is out there?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Rob?
Speaker 4 (24:17):
G think about? So we'll think about something else. All right?
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Well, speaking of bets, me and Rob made a bet
on Friday. You won't hear, Calvin, but it's a good one.
This rest of season. Passer rating Okay, Caleb Williams versus
Philip Rivers.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I got Philip, He's got killed, right. That is funny.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It's it's that is actually interesting because Caleb numbers might
be you know, he might have, yeah, his numbers ten
yards a game or something bigger.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
But when you know the percept that stuff.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
So I was looking really good yesterday until the very
end of the game and a hail mary attempts to
try to salvage a win there for Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
They end up losing on the road to Seattle.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Philip Rivers throws a hail mary attempt that didn't even
get to midfield, intercepted obviously. In the game, one touchdown,
one pick, one hundred and twenty passing yards. Even still,
after that loss, Colts head coach Shane Steichen says Philip
Rivers will be the starter next week, and according to him,
as long as he's upright, Philip Rivers will be the
(25:24):
Colts QB one rest of the season.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I'm gonna say this since you got to say, I
hope the Colts lose every game and don't make the playoffs.
For this chicanery, this mockery of the game, I'm sorry,
And yesterday was a perfect example of had you had
just a decent quarterback, not an old man, not a
grandpa playing. You might have won that game. And that
(25:51):
was a big game to win when your defense plays
that well. And I don't want to hear any bout
oh he gave them agenda win. Do they say the
other game a chance to win?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
No?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
No, no, no no. Why do they bring Philip Rivers
in for a chance to win?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yes, to win?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
To win? You hold Seattle to no touchdowns at home
kelvin zero zero, and you don't win that game. I'm sorry, no, no, no,
that's not good enough. And I just think to take
(26:30):
and again, this is the cronyism. If it was anybody
else who was forty four and hadn't played in five years,
you think that they would be on the on the roster,
on the coach roster. Anybody else, No, nobody else.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
We talked about that, just with TJ. I mean, the
quarterback is the only position that might even have a chance.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
But I'm just saying this is because of the relationship,
not because Philip Rivers is gonna win something for you.
It's just it's so bad. And I wasn't surprised that
they didn't get much going. I know he threw the
one touchdown, but my goodness, gracious man, they should have
won that game. They needed to win that game. And
(27:13):
now considering where they started Daniel Jones, who I didn't
buy into, and then all of a sudden, once they
stopped playing the cupcake schedule, they started losing on a
regular right. That was already happening before the injury. And
now they bring in old man rivers. I'm not surprised
where they are.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Old man rivers are a couple things for me to happen.
Number one, I just saw it and I was like, hey,
you know, he was like and it reminded me of
he's still like he was with the Chargers right there,
things going on. I can't win it, can't win it,
And obviously he had a heck of a career to
charge with. What I mean is when you kind of
needed on the team, when the team needed to do it,
they couldn't get it done. And to me, that was
almost like a car, a forty five, forty four year
(27:51):
old carbon copy of the Chargers staying in it found
a way to be right there in a big game
in the postseason, couldn't get it done. So to me,
I was, oh, old man. River is the same river
still flowing. Reminded me that also. I was looking at
the Seahawks, like, what is going on here that a
forty four year old man comes in here hadn't played
(28:12):
in five years, Rob, that's not even like usually.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Sometimes you round things up.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I mean, it's only two and a half, three, no,
five years, he hadn't played football, and all of.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
A sudden he's staying in the game.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
He goes down, get a last second, you know, gets
a field goal, got a chance to win the game.
Obviously they come down the Seahawks and finally win it. Seahawks,
I thought y'all were the number two defense, the number
one defense overall, number two points allowed, rushing yards of six,
number one, all these huge categories for defensively. I thought
you would be able to get after him, get some interceptions,
(28:44):
get some fumbles, get more sacks. Like I thought, that's
what the Seahawks are gonna do. But we're going to
feast on him. When was the quarterback though you can't
get in the end zone. I'm getting it, I know it.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
And there's there's my thing I keep telling you about
Sam Donald that bothers me.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
And Sam Donald to me on the flip side of this,
the Colts have been a solid to a good team
throughout the year. What they're not is they're not the
best team defensively. Any idea that they got a guy
who isn't scoring and y'all couldn't find a way to
score in the Seahawks. And again you couldn't get after
him and torture him and make life hell for him.
(29:22):
It wasn't that bad for Philip Rivers to be honest
with you, like he just he was, like he was okay,
and he had a couple of passes there. Now obviously
he was checked down, Charlie, But I thought the Seahawks
would make it a living hell. We've seen them do
that to better teams, better quarterbacks. And I walked away
from that a little disappointing them that again that he
d he can't run. He could't run, and he was
in his prime, so you couldn't get him off of
(29:43):
movement and make him scrambling around and getting, you know, uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
But if you're the Colts, really Donald twenty two for
thirty six two seventy one, no picks, no touchdown, no picks.
But but Riley Leonard is the guy who's been on
their roster all year, a rookie quarterback for the Colts,
and why haven't they done enough to coach him up
so that he could do You only scored sixteen points
on the road, right, Yeah, you didn't, didn't blab Oh
(30:09):
my god, Philip Rivers came, he scored thirty wids. He
didn't do anything that was so sixteen points. You can't
get a couple of field goals in one touchdown from
the rookie. Come on, man, you're overplaying yourself, overplaying your hand.
Why haven't you coached up Leonard to be able to
play in this situation? That's why you're the backup. He's
(30:30):
been there all almost all year, right, Rob g almost
all year. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't. And that's
why I'm not gonna I'm gonna rain on Philip Rivers
parade because had he won, Oh, they've been a story,
that's what this, Rob g am. I right or wrong
because the same thing happened with jeffs Saturday when he
(30:52):
won that first game. People went ballistic, they went they
went nuts over Jeff Saturday and then they didn't win
another game.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
If Philip Rivers won, there would be instantly by the
spring a new Netflix movie about him or Disney. I
don't know who will play who will play him. I
have to think of somebody who can play him. But
he absolutely would have had a Disney movie if he
won that game.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And here's the other numbers that that just tells you
where he is. You know, when you have that fat
under your arm and you can't raise it but so much,
you know what I'm saying, those are the best people
to barbecue. That's why I wanted my grill Rivers. I'm
I'm not saying Rivers had that, but these numbers suggest
that maybe there's some some grubbing going on. We listen, Yeah,
he was two for eight for thirty three yards, right
(31:37):
and an iront on throws of ten plus air yards.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Oh he couldn't she was he was checking out Charlie.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Okay, he couldn't get the ball down the field, Like, seriously,
that's ten yards, not twenty yards, not thirty ten yards
ten plus.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I think that the if you isolated, I would say
he played pretty well considering circumstances. Period, I say, But
if I if I say, is this an indictment?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
On again?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
The culture not having a better plan, or maybe the
league for not having guys or guys who are If
you're a guy who been, you known to say you
got you know released recently, you've been on and off
some teams, it's an indictment on your skill set that.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
They ain't want to bring you in.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
The guy is somebody that you had a forty five
year old. I know he knows the system, but that
shouldn't happen. That shouldn't happen. And dagget Rob, I heard
you
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