August 6, 2020 • 33 mins
It's The Best Of The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Chris and Rob explain why Kevin Durant is spot on when he says that Los Angeles Clippers are clearly the favorite to win the NBA championship this year, debate if Patrick Mahomes would be a Hall of Famer if he were to retire today, and argue about whether or not Michigan's Jim Harbaugh is the most overrated coach in college football.
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s R. You're listening to the best of the Odd
Cup off with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. You know,
I'm doing first Things first pretty much every morning. And
Nick Wright has picked the Lakers, of course, and oh
what a show. He's trying to get me flak, right,
He's giving me flack for picking the Clippers. He texts
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me during this game the night with the Clippers in Dallas,
when when Dallas was leading and looking pretty good early
in midway, texts you since no, no, see doesn't He
texts me, still time to change your mind or your pick.
And the score exactly the Clippers without Patrick Beverley, by
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the way, they win the Dallas Mavericks by fifteen points. Right.
That's a fifteen point right, And what you're doing, Look,
some of these games are going to be close for
a while, right, That's how you're doing NBA A lot
of times you play it's a long game, you play close,
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you know it's a good game, and then at the end,
typically the better team pulls ahead and pulls away and wins.
And that's what the Clippers did tonight to a very
good Dallas Mavericks team. And Rob, look, you and I
both have picked the Clippers to win it. I'm not
gonna crush the Lakers for how bad they look in
the bubble. They're two and two. But I'm not gonna
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overreact to two weeks in the bubble because if I
if I were to do that, Rob, I mean, heck,
the Clippers are two into, the Bucks are two into,
the Lakers are two and two, and T. J. Warren
looks like the next Michael Jordan, you know. Like So,
I'm not gonna overreact to two weeks in the bubble.
But I feel good about my pick. I know you
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feel good about your pick. And we're not alone. Kevin Durant,
none other than k D, has picked the Clippers to
win it all as well. Here he was on the
podcast what is It? What's the podcast? Posting up passing
the play for keeps play for Keeps podcast Close Clippers
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Bucks in the championship, and I'll go to Clippers. It's
so deep. I think once they figure out, you know,
because it felt like they had all that team, they
gotta have one ship for a long period of time.
That Taylan is just undeniable to me. When you got
PG and Kawhire that just at the wings, that's what
you need to win as wings. You got those two
at the wings, argusly the top three, top four at
the wing position on one team, and then you got
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the two best bench well not the two best, but
to the best. Combo is perfectly fit. He spot on.
I don't care. He's spot on. Yep. You know what, KD.
You know a lot of media people. I know there's
the Laker people, Chris, but I don't I don't know
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how you could look at that team just just be
if you're not a fan, and just be honest and
look at the depth, Doc Rivers, the bench power, where's
the poison coming from? Christian right, Lou Williams could start
on most teams. He can come in and play. Yeah,
I mean, I don't see the weakness. And and and
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Patrick Beverley, who I would have on my team any day,
And what he brings to the table and his tasty
tenacity and his defense and how they go. I just
I like everything about him from day one when this
was put together, and and the pieces that they've added,
even after Chris the trade deadline, when they add some
other players. I just liked. I like the roster, I
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like the coaching staff, I like what they're about. Yeah,
I agree, and Rob, you know, I mean, I was
looking for a reason to pick the Lakers early in
the year. I really was, like, I think it'd be
a great story if Lebron could get a fourth ring,
if Lebron could join that all those all time greats
with the Lakers other than Elgin Baylor one championships. Obviously
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they got Anthony Davis. Now the year of Kobe, you know,
which we didn't know at the time, but yeah, Kobe's
tragic death. It'd be a great story. And I'm not
gonna give them zero percent chance, but just watching it,
I just the Clippers are undeniable, kind of like Kyd said, like,
this is a team that if you look at Golden State,
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I think they we know how good Golden State was,
this team would give them trouble. I'm just don't know
that they'd beat them. You know, with KD they would
be it would be a heck of a series. And
I know, you know, you always pooh poo when I
bring up what they did last year, But that that
last year's job and what that Nucleus did when they
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went to six games. Remember KD had to score fifty
points in LA to put them out of the playoffs.
Remember in that game six. But they went on the road,
they won two games in Oakland. I just I like
I thought Doc Rivers got them to all buy in.
This was even after they trade Tobias. Tobias Harris was
traded right to Philadelphia, right and basically people thought they
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threw the towel in and it was a rap and
it wasn't. And so when you go and then you
add two star players who played both ends, who can
defend and score, and you see Paul George's healthy. The
time has helped them, Chris. Maybe who knows, Maybe if
it wasn't a pandemic, maybe they never would have got
it all the way together. But now that they had
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the four months to get healthy and get out there,
and I think they've paced themselves the whole time. There's
no rush. It's still about the playoffs. You don't have
to panic every time you lose. You don't need to
win every game. I just don't believe that that's where
they're They know ultimately that somebody beating them four times
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in a seven game series is gonna be really hard.
That's the bottom line. I agree with you. I mean,
and when you're comparing them to the Lakers, who I
think those are the two best teams in the league.
The things they have over the Lakers. Obviously, they've got depth.
I mean, we said that Patrick Beverley didn't play to night.
They still don't have montres harrowback maybe six man a year,
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and Jamichael Green steps in there and is playing pretty well.
I Vica zupas. One weakness you might say is they
don't really have size. He goes for twenty one and
fifteen tonight. So they're a team. They've got depth. They
shoot the three better than the Lakers, the eighth in
the league three point shooting Lakers are twenty third. They
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got better perimeter defense. The Lakers are certainly better at
the rim protection, but that perimeter defense of the Clippers
is staunch. And then you got the two scores you know,
two great wings. They got guys that can match up
with Lebron. We've said it, ad can he be a
monster against the Clippers? And you know, if you wanted
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to be like yes, after that forty two against Utah,
then he comes back and lays an egg in the
next game with nine points, and so that doesn't give
you confidence if you're a Laker fan. Rob g can
deny it, but he knows it's true. He's not confident.
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iHeart Radio app. Interesting story coming out of ESPN the
day and our man Built Barnwell does a great job.
They're covering the NFL. He did a deep dive into
players on each team that he thinks have a chance
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to make the Hall of Fame. He ranked them as locks,
as likely's in the running and work to do. Now.
Among the locks, I'm gonna throw off these names to
you and the last one is going to puzzle you
a bit. Ben Roethlisberger, JJ Watt, Jason Witten, Adrian Peterson,
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Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Larry Fitzgerald, Aaron Donald,
And here it is the shocker. Patrick Mahomes two years
as a starter, three years in, and Barnwell says, if
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he retired today, he would be a Hall of Famer.
Rob Parker, your opinion, I'll let you. I'll let you
have it, because I just think, what's the guy's name,
the reporter, Bill Barnwell. Yeah, Bill just had nothing better
to do today, or to add to this, I just
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think it's so premature to say that if he did
nothing else, we don't know what else happens. What happens
if Lamar Jackson during this, during the Mahomes era of
NFL football, wins three or four Super Bowls and Mahomes
starts to lose in the postseason or doesn't make the
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playoffs six years in a row or whatever. To say
after two years he's in the Hall of Fame, I
just don't see it. This is what I'm talking about
with premature. Just this is the world we live in.
They just want to crown everybody. I get it. He
won a Super Bowl, he won an MVP. But to
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say his work is done after two years, I I
think that's I think it's a stretch. This is interesting
because you presented something that I think is true. You've
painted you know, they missed the playoffs. The next six years,
Lamar Jackson takes over and changes the game. Say Lamar
wins four or five super Bowls in a row. I'm
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just saying during that era, but he wouldn't look as good.
It would It would take something away because everybody had
already crowned Pat Mahomes and then if it was the
other quarterbacks, you would look at I'm just saying, like,
say Lamar won three or four Deshaun Watson or I'm
a tour one two in Miami and he's still sitting
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on the one. Does he look as good? Do you
see what I'm saying? Well, I think it wouldn't depend
on what he did. Like if he, let's say, he
continued to light it up individually, but they just didn't win,
and it was more like an Aaron Rodgers situation, he'd
be in now. He wouldn't be the goat. He wouldn't
be you know all that people have thought he could
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be at this point, include myself, But he'd still be
in if he puts up those numbers. But here's the point.
I was trying to make. You bring up an interesting point, Rod,
because Bartonwell said if Mahomes retired today, and I don't
he didn't say this, but I'll throw this into if
he got hurt. Let's say the first game next year,
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God gets hurt and doesn't right, God forbidden doesn't play again.
Would he's saying he would be in the Hall? You
and I think the interesting thing is this if he
let's say he decided to walk away and try his
hand at baseball, I think, with what he's done, while
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it sounds ridiculous, if he walked away from the game
today with all these are readio, excuse me, accomplished, you
probably would say, I think what he's done, he would
be in the Hall. But hear me out. If he
could continues to play, though, and for the next ten
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years just falls off the map, like he's not as good.
Next year, they don't make the playoffs. His numbers you
mentioned his numbers went down last year, they stay down.
Like to me, he has a better chance if he could,
if he continues to play. I agree, we don't know
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yet if he's a Hall of Famer, he's certainly on
that trajectory. But let's see what happens. But if he
retired today for whatever reason or you know, injuries, didn't
play again, god forbid. I think what he's done already
would certainly warrant serious Hall of Fame consideration. That's different
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from but that's different from that's not what what the
writer said. He said he's in the Hall of Fame
no matter what, and not no, he didn't say that.
He said I think where he said he's a lock.
So I guess you can look at it different ways
to be the strongest, because he said, if he read
the direct quote, if he retires today, he's a Hall
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of Famer, And I would agree, just because he's what
he's done. The youngest ever to win the Super Bowl MVP,
the youngest ever to win regular season MVP and a
super Bowl, the only quarterback ever to lead a team
back from three double digit deficits in the playoffs. He
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did it. He was five and oh in those situations
last year. And so if he walked away or just
couldn't play anymore, then't yeah, I'd say, you know what,
it was brief, but my goodness, he was so fantastic.
You'd have to throw him in. But to your point,
if he continues to play, we don't know what's gonna happen.
Now I'm on record he's gonna be great. But if
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he continues to play it falls off, then yeah, he's
got room to fall off. He wouldn't He wouldn't get
my vote after two seasons. No matter how spectacular to
be in the Hall of Fame, I just think that
there's a body of work and a lot that goes
into it when I look at a Hall of Famer
and being able to sustain something excellence. And that's not
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to take anything away from what he's done. I just
I don't know if I would be able to really
say off of two years, he's a Hall of Famer,
and other guys who are put in ten, fifteen, seventeen
years and had a degree of excellence in their career
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that I wouldn't count that. I think that there's some
of that. And if he would have quit, obviously, I
think that would hurt him. Like say, if he quit,
I don't think people would be like, you want to
celebrate him and call him this great NFL quarterback. No
matter what he's done, he would be looked at. I
think some people would hold that against him, say, if
he quit and never play again. Not not that that's
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going to happen, but I don't know. I don't I
don't think he would get my vote off for two years. Yeah,
I think with what he's done, I hear you, because
it sounds ridiculous that somebody could be in the Hall
of Fame off of two years. But I think again,
if he if he retired and tried, like I said,
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tried baseball or you know whatever for religious reasons or
you know, just whatever, decided he didn't want to play anymore,
then I think what he's done, I think it needs
to be like, what he's done is put him in
the class of the best to ever do it, just
for those two years. But if he I agree with
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your premise that if he keeps playing, we just don't
know exactly what's going to happen. When even when I
say I think he's Jordan esque, I think he has
a chance to be the goat. Yeah, I'm projecting that
he continues to play at the level he's playing that
or even gets better, But we don't know. There's a
chance he doesn't do that. But how many quarterbacks have
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we seen that happened too though. Or he could get
hurt and have a serious injury and he comes back
and still can play, but he's not the same quarterback,
you know, Like we talked about Grant Hill and the
NBA and and all of that stuff. But I'm fine
with Barnwell saying it if he retired or didn't play again.
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But yeah, you're right in that if he doesn't, like
Gail says, Gail says, had like five really good seasons.
That's it. Tiny Archibald had four like top flight season.
Now he went to Boston and one championship. I'll give
you a better one. Don madden Lee with the Yankees
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had four of the best seasons you could have at
the plate. I mean his numbers are go look at
Don Madilee's numbers. He's not a Hall of Famer because
he couldn't sustain it and then he wound up having
like a back injury. So that's what I'm trying to
say is you could have those numbers go back. If
you go back doll back to the eighties, those four
straight years, you would have said Don Mattenleie's a lock
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to be in the Hall of Fame. Chris but if
but once his back, you know, kind of gave out
on him, and obviously you can't hit what without t
know in New York change that you don't win a
World Series. Well and he never, right, he didn't win.
But I'm just saying his numbers though for those four years, right, well,
I'm believe MVP. Right. But see, and I'm what I
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agree with you on that, Rob, Like if Mahons is
gonna play the next ten twelve years, then yeah, he
could fall off and maybe he wouldn't be a Hall
of Famer. Like I'll say it this way, if he asked, say,
plays the next ten years and just isn't that good
he's a mediocre quarter which I don't think will happen.
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But let's say he's a mediocre quarterback, they never win
another Super Bowl. They may to the playoffs here every
now and then, but you know, he doesn't really light
anything up anymore, then I would agree with you he
probably wouldn't be a Hall of Famer. But if people
wouldn't look at it and go, like, okay, that was
Flukish that had this team, that had all these people,
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all the pieces where they are he just came back.
They had a magical season, and then they never got
there again. I think people would record of the rare
ones and maybe again because it's the Basketball Hall of Fame,
which is you know, it's not as difficult to get in.
I have serious and I'm willing to discuss it because
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but I don't think anymore. I don't think of Dwight
Howard as a Hall of Famer, and I think a lot.
I know he was great for the first half of
his career is about eight years. We was fantastic, but
so bad, Yes, and he's played half his career as
a mediocre player. Well, but that but that's part of
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the Hall of Fame thing. I agree with that. When
you think of Dwight's career, it's it's like he bounced
around the teams. Teams didn't always get better. I think
he wasted years his career. He was on a he
was on the track, and a lot of people say
he's are When they beat Lebron and that team, you
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remember that I was supposed to be Lebron and Kobe
that year, and and that team with Dwight Howard and
Turkey Glue and who else was on the and um
skipped to Mulu and that team went to the finals,
and he was all, I thought, I thought they won them.
I thought they won their way. I thought they had
a squad together. I thought Dwight Howard was a great piece,
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and and that whole thing blew up, and and he's
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Interesting story that came out about this is from twenty
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four to seven insider Dave Biddle that you know, the
Big Ten had a call with the coaches on it
and Ryan Day was speaking. Ryan Day, head coach at
Ohio State, and Jim Harball interrupted him and said that
Ohio State was violating the rules by having on field
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instruction and drills already. It's not supposed to be permitted
until Friday tomorrow. But according to Hardball, he there's a
photo of Al Washington, who's a linebacker coach at Ohio State,
used to be at Michigan and he was working out
with linebackers at Ohio State, and Hardball called out Ryan
Day said they were you know, why are they flouting
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the rules, I guess, and Day shot back, how about
I worry about my team and you worry about yours.
And then, as the story goes, later that day, Day
tells his team and a team meeting that the Big
Ten better have a mercy rule or the Buckeyes are
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going to hang one hundred or in Michigan. What do
you got to say about that? First of all, I
think Jim Harbaugh like, if there's a concern, go to
the NCAA. You don't have to play tattletale on some
comp you know what I mean, Like, I just don't
even get that. Make a send a picture to the
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NCAA and let them handle it. It just comes off
as sour grapes. I doubt if he was five and
oh instead of four and five against Ohio State, he
would be worried about, you know what I mean, what
they're doing in Columbus. So so I think that's disingenuous.
That's not for your place. Worry about Michigan. Let him
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let Day worry about Ohio State. Like Day said, I
don't know about the We're gonna drop a hundred on
you or whatever. I think that's pretty lofty goal. I
know they beat up seventy or eighty, right, I know
they beat the break it Off? Right? Uh? Soame last year.
You know that's the one where everybody walked out with
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their hands held up because you felt like you got
robbed from that game. You paid money to see that.
I'll say this, Rob and I and I hear you,
And yes, Harbaugh could have went to the NC Double
A or the Big Ten, you know, a commissioner and said,
look look at this picture. They're out there practicing, and yeah,
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maybe that's how I would have done it. Maybe that
that would have been more professional. But I do have
to say this, and it is his place because they
they that's a competitor and if your competitor is cheating,
you don't and get into the If he's cheating, that's fine.
But the bottom line is if you cheat, you can't
get mad at the person that called you out on it.
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You you're the one that broke the rules. So I
actually think both of them are fine in this. Like
if Ohio stays cheating and getting an unfair advantage or
Michigan and all the other teams in the conference, I
can't be mad at the coach for saying, yo, you're cheating.
Why are you guys working out already? We're not supposed
to be doing that. And then I got I got
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no problem with Day because if I was in Day shoes,
I'd probably be saying that the same thing if I
knew I had the superior team. Oh well, okay, we're
gonna put a hundred on them boys, you know. But
I find with both of their the way both of
them did it. I can't be mad at Horridball for
it's not like if they weren't cheating, that's one thing.
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But if they're cheating, it's it's wreck recorded on a photo.
I can't get mad at him for calling him out
because that's that is taking away from your team. But
I'm get Dave being like, Okay, we're gonna pay y'all back,
and uh so, I'm I'm fine with that. I gotta
be honest. I mean, if they're cheating, they're cheating. They
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can't get married for getting called out. I just I
don't think that that's that's your place. Make a phone call,
you call. It's just I just wonder, like, why would
you be concerned about that there was that about your competitor. Yeah,
but but but if he was five and old. I
doubt he would be bringing that up. That's just it
comes that. That doesn't mean that doesn't if you're five
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and old in the in the bowl, you wouldn't. You
would wrong. You may be right on that, because then
if you're five and old, you're like, man, I'm you
know whatever, cheat all you want. We're superior. But that
doesn't mean he's wrong. He's still right for saying you're
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cheating days was that's not I think that you you
take that up with the NCAA and you don't have
to do that publicly like you're like you're pointing the
finger at somebody or you're the tattletale. It just comes
off to me, that's not if there's a picture out
there right that that's supposedly not like you're saying if
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there's a picture out there in the NCAA. If you
want to say to send the NCAA a note that
there's a picture out there that they're practicing, that's fine,
but you don't need to make a public Oh they're
swagging your finger at Ohio State. If if that's why
we got beating off cheat, I mean, seriously, like I
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hear you, I don't. But I'm just saying I can't
get I can't see here and defend the cheater. I
don't know that they're cheating. I don't know. You don't
know that. If you're taking it as a grain of socker,
you're taking his word. But I don't know that. I
don't know if he got they got special clearance from
the NCAA. If there's a picture, Chris, if you're doing
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it and you're breaking, why would you take pictures why.
I'm just saying, we got we gotta, we gotta, we
got cut themselves. I'm saying, I told you is the
you've seen the photo. I have not seen the photo.
That's what I'm saying. I don't I don't even know
he put that out. Who knows if fine, But I'm saying,
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if somebody's cheating, I don't think it's their right. What
if the no rule? Even if he's wrong, he's wrong
and they should have called him out. I'm fine with that.
I'm one of Jim Harballs rang Jim Harballs wrong or
he hasn't mixed up, or it's not a picture from
from the time he thinks it is. And somebody people
are putting stuff that'll make Hardball look bad, and they
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could have called him out. I'm fine with what the
way they handled it anyway. I'm fine with him saying,
worry about your squad and then telling his team, let's
go put a hundred on him. I'm totally fine with that.
I'm not mad at Ryan Day. But I'm saying, if
you cheat, you don't have the right to determine how
somebody can call you out on your cheating. You're cheating.
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If you get caught, you get caught. So that's all
I'm saying. I mean, Hardball's got I'm not necessarily trying
to defend him. I'm just saying I'm not gonna get
mad at him when I'm competing with Ohio State and
they're getting what if he feels if he knows he's
not competing. I mean, it doesn't matter who the coach is.
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He couldn't even be first year coach Ryan Day. Everybody
thought that, uh, that finally Michigan would finally beat Ohio
State in the in the Jim Harball era, because uh,
they finally got a break because Urban Meyer laugh and
what happened, They gotta be worse. So so that's the embarrassing,
and it just tells you about Jim Harball and what
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he's done at Michigan, which is absolutely nothing. He's the
most overpaid, overrated college coach in the history of college
football period. Stop it, and people just they do. It's
like the third or fourth highest paid uh football based
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on three based on nothing Michigan. Michigan is also a
totally overrated, overblown program that shared one national championship in
the last one hundred and fifty years. I mean, how
how ridiculous is that even Bochem Beckler, who they have
a statue of and they love and admire and and
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shower all his greatness, never even won a national championship,
never even won And sure they won a lot of
Big ten titles and all that when it was Ohio
State in Michigan and nobody else. But but Michigan's overblown,
and so is Jim Harball. They deserve each other. Well,
I'll give you that Michigan. Michigan is a Tier two program.
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They're they're really they're not according to that love line.
They're a great football program, but they're not Ohio State.
They're not Alabama, LSU, Clemson. At this point, like no
Penn State had its run, They've won a few more
national championships, but Michigan has been it's been a top
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fifteen football program forever. Well, not forever because Brady Hulk.
Under him, they weren't. And what hard Boy has done
now he's he overpaid, Yes, he's paid what third? You
said third? And this is a top five? Yeah, everybody
else has won national championships except for Jim Blah blah.
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I'm with you, but everything is not black and white.
It's not you're fantastic or your garbage. Okay, he's not garbage,
but he's not fantastic. And you're right he's overpaid. But
should he be fired? I don't think. In five years
they've had four top twenty finishes, three top fifteen finishes,
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which if you're alabam Emma, that's a problem. If you're
Ohio State, that's a problem. If you're Michigan and you're
were twelve and thirteen into two years before Hardball got there,
then it's not that bad. And I get it. They
can't beat Ohio State. They've lost to their other rivals
as well, Michigan State and all that. Get it all
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and agreed that he's been overpaid and he hasn't lived
up to what they expected. But I'm not just gonna
sit here and say he's garbage. And this is what
this is kind of what Michigan football is, second fiddle
to Ohio State. That's what they are, and that's what
he's got him doing. That's not why he came back
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to Michigan. They wanted him to finally deliver a national championship.
Nobody could believe that five years have come back and
not only have they not even played Chris forget about
winning the national champ they haven't even played in the tournament.
Since they've had the final four teams, they haven't even
made it there. I mean that that's embarrassing to me.
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Um so so, I just I don't understand why they accepted.
I know he was a quarterback and they loved them.
Then if he was at Ohio State, he'd be gone.
If he was at Alabama, Clempson, LSU Georgia, maybe even
he'd be gone. Michigan. This is what Michigan is, all
right to his all the numbers you need, Jim Harball
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has lost four bowl games bowl games in four consecutive seasons.
That's tied with Lloyd Carr for the second most in
Michigan history, one shy of the school record, of course,
held by Boschem Bechler nineteen seventy five through nineteen seventy nine.
Michigan under Hardball and five against Ohio State, four and
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nine against their other rivals. You were talking about Ohio State,
Michigan State, and Penn State one and four in bowl games.
And in his career at Michigan, Hardball is O and
nine as an underdog, losing by an average of sixteen
point seven points per game, which tells you, Chris, they
never beat like like being a game where they're the
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underdogs and they beat somebody and you go, how did
Michigan do that? Or Jim Harball is an unbelievable coach.
They weren't supposed to win that game oh and nine
and and lost by the average of almost seventeen points.
So when I look at Jim Harball, people could talk about,
you know, how good or great he is or what
he did in the NFL. I think he's I think
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he's Belogney, uh and not file when you talk about
college football coaches. That's That's what I'll say about Jim Harball.
Uh yeah again to me, it's not black and white.
Is he? Is he File? No? Is he Belogney? No?
I mean, like I said, he's he's half four. That school,
he's what that school Belogne, which is worse. He's he's
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a good burger at you know, he's he's a five
guys burger or something like that. You know, he's Buffoni,
is what he is.
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s R. You're listening to the best of the Odd
Cup off with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. You know,
I'm doing first Things first pretty much every morning. And
Nick Wright has picked the Lakers, of course, and oh
what a show. He's trying to get me flak, right,
He's giving me flack for picking the Clippers. He texts
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me during this game the night with the Clippers in Dallas,
when when Dallas was leading and looking pretty good early
in midway, texts you since no, no, see doesn't He
texts me, still time to change your mind or your pick.
And the score exactly the Clippers without Patrick Beverley, by
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the way, they win the Dallas Mavericks by fifteen points. Right.
That's a fifteen point right, And what you're doing, Look,
some of these games are going to be close for
a while, right, That's how you're doing NBA A lot
of times you play it's a long game, you play close,
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you know it's a good game, and then at the end,
typically the better team pulls ahead and pulls away and wins.
And that's what the Clippers did tonight to a very
good Dallas Mavericks team. And Rob, look, you and I
both have picked the Clippers to win it. I'm not
gonna crush the Lakers for how bad they look in
the bubble. They're two and two. But I'm not gonna
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overreact to two weeks in the bubble because if I
if I were to do that, Rob, I mean, heck,
the Clippers are two into, the Bucks are two into,
the Lakers are two and two, and T. J. Warren
looks like the next Michael Jordan, you know. Like So,
I'm not gonna overreact to two weeks in the bubble.
But I feel good about my pick. I know you
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feel good about your pick. And we're not alone. Kevin Durant,
none other than k D, has picked the Clippers to
win it all as well. Here he was on the
podcast what is It? What's the podcast? Posting up passing
the play for keeps play for Keeps podcast Close Clippers
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Bucks in the championship, and I'll go to Clippers. It's
so deep. I think once they figure out, you know,
because it felt like they had all that team, they
gotta have one ship for a long period of time.
That Taylan is just undeniable to me. When you got
PG and Kawhire that just at the wings, that's what
you need to win as wings. You got those two
at the wings, argusly the top three, top four at
the wing position on one team, and then you got
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the two best bench well not the two best, but
to the best. Combo is perfectly fit. He spot on.
I don't care. He's spot on. Yep. You know what, KD.
You know a lot of media people. I know there's
the Laker people, Chris, but I don't I don't know
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how you could look at that team just just be
if you're not a fan, and just be honest and
look at the depth, Doc Rivers, the bench power, where's
the poison coming from? Christian right, Lou Williams could start
on most teams. He can come in and play. Yeah,
I mean, I don't see the weakness. And and and
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Patrick Beverley, who I would have on my team any day,
And what he brings to the table and his tasty
tenacity and his defense and how they go. I just
I like everything about him from day one when this
was put together, and and the pieces that they've added,
even after Chris the trade deadline, when they add some
other players. I just liked. I like the roster, I
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like the coaching staff, I like what they're about. Yeah,
I agree, and Rob, you know, I mean, I was
looking for a reason to pick the Lakers early in
the year. I really was, like, I think it'd be
a great story if Lebron could get a fourth ring,
if Lebron could join that all those all time greats
with the Lakers other than Elgin Baylor one championships. Obviously
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they got Anthony Davis. Now the year of Kobe, you know,
which we didn't know at the time, but yeah, Kobe's
tragic death. It'd be a great story. And I'm not
gonna give them zero percent chance, but just watching it,
I just the Clippers are undeniable, kind of like Kyd said, like,
this is a team that if you look at Golden State,
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I think they we know how good Golden State was,
this team would give them trouble. I'm just don't know
that they'd beat them. You know, with KD they would
be it would be a heck of a series. And
I know, you know, you always pooh poo when I
bring up what they did last year, But that that
last year's job and what that Nucleus did when they
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went to six games. Remember KD had to score fifty
points in LA to put them out of the playoffs.
Remember in that game six. But they went on the road,
they won two games in Oakland. I just I like
I thought Doc Rivers got them to all buy in.
This was even after they trade Tobias. Tobias Harris was
traded right to Philadelphia, right and basically people thought they
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threw the towel in and it was a rap and
it wasn't. And so when you go and then you
add two star players who played both ends, who can
defend and score, and you see Paul George's healthy. The
time has helped them, Chris. Maybe who knows, Maybe if
it wasn't a pandemic, maybe they never would have got
it all the way together. But now that they had
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the four months to get healthy and get out there,
and I think they've paced themselves the whole time. There's
no rush. It's still about the playoffs. You don't have
to panic every time you lose. You don't need to
win every game. I just don't believe that that's where
they're They know ultimately that somebody beating them four times
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in a seven game series is gonna be really hard.
That's the bottom line. I agree with you. I mean,
and when you're comparing them to the Lakers, who I
think those are the two best teams in the league.
The things they have over the Lakers. Obviously, they've got depth.
I mean, we said that Patrick Beverley didn't play to night.
They still don't have montres harrowback maybe six man a year,
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and Jamichael Green steps in there and is playing pretty well.
I Vica zupas. One weakness you might say is they
don't really have size. He goes for twenty one and
fifteen tonight. So they're a team. They've got depth. They
shoot the three better than the Lakers, the eighth in
the league three point shooting Lakers are twenty third. They
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got better perimeter defense. The Lakers are certainly better at
the rim protection, but that perimeter defense of the Clippers
is staunch. And then you got the two scores you know,
two great wings. They got guys that can match up
with Lebron. We've said it, ad can he be a
monster against the Clippers? And you know, if you wanted
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to be like yes, after that forty two against Utah,
then he comes back and lays an egg in the
next game with nine points, and so that doesn't give
you confidence if you're a Laker fan. Rob g can
deny it, but he knows it's true. He's not confident.
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iHeart Radio app. Interesting story coming out of ESPN the
day and our man Built Barnwell does a great job.
They're covering the NFL. He did a deep dive into
players on each team that he thinks have a chance
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to make the Hall of Fame. He ranked them as locks,
as likely's in the running and work to do. Now.
Among the locks, I'm gonna throw off these names to
you and the last one is going to puzzle you
a bit. Ben Roethlisberger, JJ Watt, Jason Witten, Adrian Peterson,
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Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Larry Fitzgerald, Aaron Donald,
And here it is the shocker. Patrick Mahomes two years
as a starter, three years in, and Barnwell says, if
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he retired today, he would be a Hall of Famer.
Rob Parker, your opinion, I'll let you. I'll let you
have it, because I just think, what's the guy's name,
the reporter, Bill Barnwell. Yeah, Bill just had nothing better
to do today, or to add to this, I just
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think it's so premature to say that if he did
nothing else, we don't know what else happens. What happens
if Lamar Jackson during this, during the Mahomes era of
NFL football, wins three or four Super Bowls and Mahomes
starts to lose in the postseason or doesn't make the
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playoffs six years in a row or whatever. To say
after two years he's in the Hall of Fame, I
just don't see it. This is what I'm talking about
with premature. Just this is the world we live in.
They just want to crown everybody. I get it. He
won a Super Bowl, he won an MVP. But to
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say his work is done after two years, I I
think that's I think it's a stretch. This is interesting
because you presented something that I think is true. You've
painted you know, they missed the playoffs. The next six years,
Lamar Jackson takes over and changes the game. Say Lamar
wins four or five super Bowls in a row. I'm
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just saying during that era, but he wouldn't look as good.
It would It would take something away because everybody had
already crowned Pat Mahomes and then if it was the
other quarterbacks, you would look at I'm just saying, like,
say Lamar won three or four Deshaun Watson or I'm
a tour one two in Miami and he's still sitting
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on the one. Does he look as good? Do you
see what I'm saying? Well, I think it wouldn't depend
on what he did. Like if he, let's say, he
continued to light it up individually, but they just didn't win,
and it was more like an Aaron Rodgers situation, he'd
be in now. He wouldn't be the goat. He wouldn't
be you know all that people have thought he could
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be at this point, include myself, But he'd still be
in if he puts up those numbers. But here's the point.
I was trying to make. You bring up an interesting point, Rod,
because Bartonwell said if Mahomes retired today, and I don't
he didn't say this, but I'll throw this into if
he got hurt. Let's say the first game next year,
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God gets hurt and doesn't right, God forbidden doesn't play again.
Would he's saying he would be in the Hall? You
and I think the interesting thing is this if he
let's say he decided to walk away and try his
hand at baseball, I think, with what he's done, while
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it sounds ridiculous, if he walked away from the game
today with all these are readio, excuse me, accomplished, you
probably would say, I think what he's done, he would
be in the Hall. But hear me out. If he
could continues to play, though, and for the next ten
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years just falls off the map, like he's not as good.
Next year, they don't make the playoffs. His numbers you
mentioned his numbers went down last year, they stay down.
Like to me, he has a better chance if he could,
if he continues to play. I agree, we don't know
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yet if he's a Hall of Famer, he's certainly on
that trajectory. But let's see what happens. But if he
retired today for whatever reason or you know, injuries, didn't
play again, god forbid. I think what he's done already
would certainly warrant serious Hall of Fame consideration. That's different
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from but that's different from that's not what what the
writer said. He said he's in the Hall of Fame
no matter what, and not no, he didn't say that.
He said I think where he said he's a lock.
So I guess you can look at it different ways
to be the strongest, because he said, if he read
the direct quote, if he retires today, he's a Hall
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of Famer, And I would agree, just because he's what
he's done. The youngest ever to win the Super Bowl MVP,
the youngest ever to win regular season MVP and a
super Bowl, the only quarterback ever to lead a team
back from three double digit deficits in the playoffs. He
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did it. He was five and oh in those situations
last year. And so if he walked away or just
couldn't play anymore, then't yeah, I'd say, you know what,
it was brief, but my goodness, he was so fantastic.
You'd have to throw him in. But to your point,
if he continues to play, we don't know what's gonna happen.
Now I'm on record he's gonna be great. But if
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he continues to play it falls off, then yeah, he's
got room to fall off. He wouldn't He wouldn't get
my vote after two seasons. No matter how spectacular to
be in the Hall of Fame, I just think that
there's a body of work and a lot that goes
into it when I look at a Hall of Famer
and being able to sustain something excellence. And that's not
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to take anything away from what he's done. I just
I don't know if I would be able to really
say off of two years, he's a Hall of Famer,
and other guys who are put in ten, fifteen, seventeen
years and had a degree of excellence in their career
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that I wouldn't count that. I think that there's some
of that. And if he would have quit, obviously, I
think that would hurt him. Like say, if he quit,
I don't think people would be like, you want to
celebrate him and call him this great NFL quarterback. No
matter what he's done, he would be looked at. I
think some people would hold that against him, say, if
he quit and never play again. Not not that that's
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going to happen, but I don't know. I don't I
don't think he would get my vote off for two years. Yeah,
I think with what he's done, I hear you, because
it sounds ridiculous that somebody could be in the Hall
of Fame off of two years. But I think again,
if he if he retired and tried, like I said,
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tried baseball or you know whatever for religious reasons or
you know, just whatever, decided he didn't want to play anymore,
then I think what he's done, I think it needs
to be like, what he's done is put him in
the class of the best to ever do it, just
for those two years. But if he I agree with
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your premise that if he keeps playing, we just don't
know exactly what's going to happen. When even when I
say I think he's Jordan esque, I think he has
a chance to be the goat. Yeah, I'm projecting that
he continues to play at the level he's playing that
or even gets better, But we don't know. There's a
chance he doesn't do that. But how many quarterbacks have
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we seen that happened too though. Or he could get
hurt and have a serious injury and he comes back
and still can play, but he's not the same quarterback,
you know, Like we talked about Grant Hill and the
NBA and and all of that stuff. But I'm fine
with Barnwell saying it if he retired or didn't play again.
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But yeah, you're right in that if he doesn't, like
Gail says, Gail says, had like five really good seasons.
That's it. Tiny Archibald had four like top flight season.
Now he went to Boston and one championship. I'll give
you a better one. Don madden Lee with the Yankees
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had four of the best seasons you could have at
the plate. I mean his numbers are go look at
Don Madilee's numbers. He's not a Hall of Famer because
he couldn't sustain it and then he wound up having
like a back injury. So that's what I'm trying to
say is you could have those numbers go back. If
you go back doll back to the eighties, those four
straight years, you would have said Don Mattenleie's a lock
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to be in the Hall of Fame. Chris but if
but once his back, you know, kind of gave out
on him, and obviously you can't hit what without t
know in New York change that you don't win a
World Series. Well and he never, right, he didn't win.
But I'm just saying his numbers though for those four years, right, well,
I'm believe MVP. Right. But see, and I'm what I
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agree with you on that, Rob, Like if Mahons is
gonna play the next ten twelve years, then yeah, he
could fall off and maybe he wouldn't be a Hall
of Famer. Like I'll say it this way, if he asked, say,
plays the next ten years and just isn't that good
he's a mediocre quarter which I don't think will happen.
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But let's say he's a mediocre quarterback, they never win
another Super Bowl. They may to the playoffs here every
now and then, but you know, he doesn't really light
anything up anymore, then I would agree with you he
probably wouldn't be a Hall of Famer. But if people
wouldn't look at it and go, like, okay, that was
Flukish that had this team, that had all these people,
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all the pieces where they are he just came back.
They had a magical season, and then they never got
there again. I think people would record of the rare
ones and maybe again because it's the Basketball Hall of Fame,
which is you know, it's not as difficult to get in.
I have serious and I'm willing to discuss it because
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but I don't think anymore. I don't think of Dwight
Howard as a Hall of Famer, and I think a lot.
I know he was great for the first half of
his career is about eight years. We was fantastic, but
so bad, Yes, and he's played half his career as
a mediocre player. Well, but that but that's part of
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the Hall of Fame thing. I agree with that. When
you think of Dwight's career, it's it's like he bounced
around the teams. Teams didn't always get better. I think
he wasted years his career. He was on a he
was on the track, and a lot of people say
he's are When they beat Lebron and that team, you
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remember that I was supposed to be Lebron and Kobe
that year, and and that team with Dwight Howard and
Turkey Glue and who else was on the and um
skipped to Mulu and that team went to the finals,
and he was all, I thought, I thought they won them.
I thought they won their way. I thought they had
a squad together. I thought Dwight Howard was a great piece,
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Interesting story that came out about this is from twenty
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four to seven insider Dave Biddle that you know, the
Big Ten had a call with the coaches on it
and Ryan Day was speaking. Ryan Day, head coach at
Ohio State, and Jim Harball interrupted him and said that
Ohio State was violating the rules by having on field
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instruction and drills already. It's not supposed to be permitted
until Friday tomorrow. But according to Hardball, he there's a
photo of Al Washington, who's a linebacker coach at Ohio State,
used to be at Michigan and he was working out
with linebackers at Ohio State, and Hardball called out Ryan
Day said they were you know, why are they flouting
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the rules, I guess, and Day shot back, how about
I worry about my team and you worry about yours.
And then, as the story goes, later that day, Day
tells his team and a team meeting that the Big
Ten better have a mercy rule or the Buckeyes are
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going to hang one hundred or in Michigan. What do
you got to say about that? First of all, I
think Jim Harbaugh like, if there's a concern, go to
the NCAA. You don't have to play tattletale on some
comp you know what I mean, Like, I just don't
even get that. Make a send a picture to the
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NCAA and let them handle it. It just comes off
as sour grapes. I doubt if he was five and
oh instead of four and five against Ohio State, he
would be worried about, you know what I mean, what
they're doing in Columbus. So so I think that's disingenuous.
That's not for your place. Worry about Michigan. Let him
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let Day worry about Ohio State. Like Day said, I
don't know about the We're gonna drop a hundred on
you or whatever. I think that's pretty lofty goal. I
know they beat up seventy or eighty, right, I know
they beat the break it Off? Right? Uh? Soame last year.
You know that's the one where everybody walked out with
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their hands held up because you felt like you got
robbed from that game. You paid money to see that.
I'll say this, Rob and I and I hear you,
And yes, Harbaugh could have went to the NC Double
A or the Big Ten, you know, a commissioner and said,
look look at this picture. They're out there practicing, and yeah,
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maybe that's how I would have done it. Maybe that
that would have been more professional. But I do have
to say this, and it is his place because they
they that's a competitor and if your competitor is cheating,
you don't and get into the If he's cheating, that's fine.
But the bottom line is if you cheat, you can't
get mad at the person that called you out on it.
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You you're the one that broke the rules. So I
actually think both of them are fine in this. Like
if Ohio stays cheating and getting an unfair advantage or
Michigan and all the other teams in the conference, I
can't be mad at the coach for saying, yo, you're cheating.
Why are you guys working out already? We're not supposed
to be doing that. And then I got I got
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no problem with Day because if I was in Day shoes,
I'd probably be saying that the same thing if I
knew I had the superior team. Oh well, okay, we're
gonna put a hundred on them boys, you know. But
I find with both of their the way both of
them did it. I can't be mad at Horridball for
it's not like if they weren't cheating, that's one thing.
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But if they're cheating, it's it's wreck recorded on a photo.
I can't get mad at him for calling him out
because that's that is taking away from your team. But
I'm get Dave being like, Okay, we're gonna pay y'all back,
and uh so, I'm I'm fine with that. I gotta
be honest. I mean, if they're cheating, they're cheating. They
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can't get married for getting called out. I just I
don't think that that's that's your place. Make a phone call,
you call. It's just I just wonder, like, why would
you be concerned about that there was that about your competitor. Yeah,
but but but if he was five and old. I
doubt he would be bringing that up. That's just it
comes that. That doesn't mean that doesn't if you're five
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and old in the in the bowl, you wouldn't. You
would wrong. You may be right on that, because then
if you're five and old, you're like, man, I'm you
know whatever, cheat all you want. We're superior. But that
doesn't mean he's wrong. He's still right for saying you're
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cheating days was that's not I think that you you
take that up with the NCAA and you don't have
to do that publicly like you're like you're pointing the
finger at somebody or you're the tattletale. It just comes
off to me, that's not if there's a picture out
there right that that's supposedly not like you're saying if
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there's a picture out there in the NCAA. If you
want to say to send the NCAA a note that
there's a picture out there that they're practicing, that's fine,
but you don't need to make a public Oh they're
swagging your finger at Ohio State. If if that's why
we got beating off cheat, I mean, seriously, like I
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hear you, I don't. But I'm just saying I can't
get I can't see here and defend the cheater. I
don't know that they're cheating. I don't know. You don't
know that. If you're taking it as a grain of socker,
you're taking his word. But I don't know that. I
don't know if he got they got special clearance from
the NCAA. If there's a picture, Chris, if you're doing
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it and you're breaking, why would you take pictures why.
I'm just saying, we got we gotta, we gotta, we
got cut themselves. I'm saying, I told you is the
you've seen the photo. I have not seen the photo.
That's what I'm saying. I don't I don't even know
he put that out. Who knows if fine, But I'm saying,
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if somebody's cheating, I don't think it's their right. What
if the no rule? Even if he's wrong, he's wrong
and they should have called him out. I'm fine with that.
I'm one of Jim Harballs rang Jim Harballs wrong or
he hasn't mixed up, or it's not a picture from
from the time he thinks it is. And somebody people
are putting stuff that'll make Hardball look bad, and they
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could have called him out. I'm fine with what the
way they handled it anyway. I'm fine with him saying,
worry about your squad and then telling his team, let's
go put a hundred on him. I'm totally fine with that.
I'm not mad at Ryan Day. But I'm saying, if
you cheat, you don't have the right to determine how
somebody can call you out on your cheating. You're cheating.
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If you get caught, you get caught. So that's all
I'm saying. I mean, Hardball's got I'm not necessarily trying
to defend him. I'm just saying I'm not gonna get
mad at him when I'm competing with Ohio State and
they're getting what if he feels if he knows he's
not competing. I mean, it doesn't matter who the coach is.
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He couldn't even be first year coach Ryan Day. Everybody
thought that, uh, that finally Michigan would finally beat Ohio
State in the in the Jim Harball era, because uh,
they finally got a break because Urban Meyer laugh and
what happened, They gotta be worse. So so that's the embarrassing,
and it just tells you about Jim Harball and what
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he's done at Michigan, which is absolutely nothing. He's the
most overpaid, overrated college coach in the history of college
football period. Stop it, and people just they do. It's
like the third or fourth highest paid uh football based
(28:08):
on three based on nothing Michigan. Michigan is also a
totally overrated, overblown program that shared one national championship in
the last one hundred and fifty years. I mean, how
how ridiculous is that even Bochem Beckler, who they have
a statue of and they love and admire and and
(28:30):
shower all his greatness, never even won a national championship,
never even won And sure they won a lot of
Big ten titles and all that when it was Ohio
State in Michigan and nobody else. But but Michigan's overblown,
and so is Jim Harball. They deserve each other. Well,
I'll give you that Michigan. Michigan is a Tier two program.
(28:55):
They're they're really they're not according to that love line.
They're a great football program, but they're not Ohio State.
They're not Alabama, LSU, Clemson. At this point, like no
Penn State had its run, They've won a few more
national championships, but Michigan has been it's been a top
(29:15):
fifteen football program forever. Well, not forever because Brady Hulk.
Under him, they weren't. And what hard Boy has done
now he's he overpaid, Yes, he's paid what third? You
said third? And this is a top five? Yeah, everybody
else has won national championships except for Jim Blah blah.
(29:37):
I'm with you, but everything is not black and white.
It's not you're fantastic or your garbage. Okay, he's not garbage,
but he's not fantastic. And you're right he's overpaid. But
should he be fired? I don't think. In five years
they've had four top twenty finishes, three top fifteen finishes,
(29:58):
which if you're alabam Emma, that's a problem. If you're
Ohio State, that's a problem. If you're Michigan and you're
were twelve and thirteen into two years before Hardball got there,
then it's not that bad. And I get it. They
can't beat Ohio State. They've lost to their other rivals
as well, Michigan State and all that. Get it all
(30:20):
and agreed that he's been overpaid and he hasn't lived
up to what they expected. But I'm not just gonna
sit here and say he's garbage. And this is what
this is kind of what Michigan football is, second fiddle
to Ohio State. That's what they are, and that's what
he's got him doing. That's not why he came back
(30:41):
to Michigan. They wanted him to finally deliver a national championship.
Nobody could believe that five years have come back and
not only have they not even played Chris forget about
winning the national champ they haven't even played in the tournament.
Since they've had the final four teams, they haven't even
made it there. I mean that that's embarrassing to me.
(31:04):
Um so so, I just I don't understand why they accepted.
I know he was a quarterback and they loved them.
Then if he was at Ohio State, he'd be gone.
If he was at Alabama, Clempson, LSU Georgia, maybe even
he'd be gone. Michigan. This is what Michigan is, all
right to his all the numbers you need, Jim Harball
(31:27):
has lost four bowl games bowl games in four consecutive seasons.
That's tied with Lloyd Carr for the second most in
Michigan history, one shy of the school record, of course,
held by Boschem Bechler nineteen seventy five through nineteen seventy nine.
Michigan under Hardball and five against Ohio State, four and
(31:48):
nine against their other rivals. You were talking about Ohio State,
Michigan State, and Penn State one and four in bowl games.
And in his career at Michigan, Hardball is O and
nine as an underdog, losing by an average of sixteen
point seven points per game, which tells you, Chris, they
never beat like like being a game where they're the
(32:08):
underdogs and they beat somebody and you go, how did
Michigan do that? Or Jim Harball is an unbelievable coach.
They weren't supposed to win that game oh and nine
and and lost by the average of almost seventeen points.
So when I look at Jim Harball, people could talk about,
you know, how good or great he is or what
he did in the NFL. I think he's I think
(32:32):
he's Belogney, uh and not file when you talk about
college football coaches. That's That's what I'll say about Jim Harball.
Uh yeah again to me, it's not black and white.
Is he? Is he File? No? Is he Belogney? No?
I mean, like I said, he's he's half four. That school,
he's what that school Belogne, which is worse. He's he's
(32:57):
a good burger at you know, he's he's a five
guys burger or something like that. You know, he's Buffoni,
is what he is.
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