January 8, 2019 • 24 mins
It's The Best of the Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Chris and Rob discuss Trevor Lawrence's impressive performance in leading the Clemson Tigers over the Alabama Crimson Tide in the College Football Playoff championship, and explain why the NFL should allow prodigy underclassmen like Lawrence into the Draft. The guys also explain why it's so frustrating to see someone like Kliff Kingsbury get offered an head coaching job in the NFL when there are so many more qualified minorities coaches available. And, FOX Sports and NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks stops by to share his thoughts on the NFL's age restriction, the coaching carousel, and much more!
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. Two was the
guy going in and Trevor Lawrence just totally outshined him,
I mean two or through two interceptions, one of them
a pick six. They really got Clempson going. And so
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this has sparked discussion Rod Parker on whether or not
freshman kids out of high school should be able to
go straight to the NFL because we heard off Sason
and I think it was ridiculous that team, even former
Alabama players current NFL guys were saying that Alabama could
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win some games in the NFL, not this year. I
know when it came up with that. I mean one
guy I think I can't remember I read the article
a little while ago, was saying that he thinks they
can make the playoffs. I don't think they're thinking that now.
But anyway, against this team that many thought might be
the greatest college football team ever, a freshman Trevor Lawrence
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goes buck wild, and a lot of people are looking
at the fact that he has to spend, according to
the rules, the next two years in college before he
can go to the NFL and get paid. A lot
of people think that's wrong, a travesty, whatever you want
to call it. And there the truth of the matter is,
it was reported today, is that it's not the nc
double a's rule, but it's the NFL Players Association rule.
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They keep players in college at least three years before
they're eligible to draft them, so that a lot of
their players, you know, the average lifespan of an NFL
player in the league is three and a half to
four years, right, And so a lot of players, knowing
that their window is that small, don't want to let
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the younger guys in and have a guy who's not
as good as them yet but has greater potential take
a roster spot from them. And I got I gotta
admit I get some of that. I'm all for the
free market. If you're good enough, then you should be
able to play. But I do understand where the players
players are coming. I don't understand it at all because
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it's supposed to be about competition, right, So the strongest
guys make the team and the guys who aren't that
good don't make the team. And if what if the
guy's not as strong as me, but you can see
in two years he's gonna be better than me. But
they kind of wipe the floor with They cut players
all the time because of money, the cap, casualties. So
you're not stopping owners from doing it getting rid of
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people over money. It's a selfish way to look at it.
Sports is the only place that penalizes prodigies. You're telling
me that Lebron James shouldn't have been playing in the
NBA eighteenm No, But I'm saying but according to the
NFL Players Association, he wouldn't have been able to play
if those guys, those knuckleheads were in charge of the NBA.
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That's my point. Younger people, if you're a classic pianist
pianist and you can and you're this this great prodigy,
they don't stop you from playing at Carnegie Hall christ
at at thirteen years old. You know what they do
they embrace you, they put you out there, and you
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have God given talentertainment in you. Don't stop. Michael Jackson
was how old. Yes, he was a star. He was
the frontman of the Jacksons. He was the actors, actresses.
And let's keep it real. Even in sports, you see
in tennis, you see young people. Thank you. It's the
sports football and basketball you dominated by African America. Absolute
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hockey you can get in young Steve. It was in
the NHL eighteen he was eighteen years old and in
the NHL. My point is that it's wrong and we
need to stop stopping people. If they're good enough and
talented enough, you're okay to send an eighteen given eighteen
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year old a rifle and say go abroad and fight.
But but you can't play the football game. Come on, manute,
that makes no sense. And if you're not good enough
or not athletically good enough or physically good enough, don't
draft them. Don't draft the kid. The old desisn't on
the kids. On the general manager. I agree with you,
and I don't let me say this. Don't forget Dugie
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Howser was a young kid. He was a doctor, wasn't
he that was what you're lying. That was your line.
You should have quit while you were here. Thank you,
I thank you were rolling until you brought up you
had to go one step too far. But let me
tell you this, I didn't look it up younger. I
was with you. The youngest doctor in the United States.
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How old youngest doctor in United State? Anybody know? Seventeen
years old. That's the youngest doctor in the history of
the United States. So my point. And then I threw
out the other one. All time baseball pitcher Joe Knuxall
pitch for the Cincinnati Reads. He was fifteen, but that
was because a lot of the players were in World
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War Two. But he but he pitched. They didn't say
we can't pitch him. He's fifteen. He was good enough
to gave him a chance. That's all I'm saying. Stop
stopping people based on no real reason other than selfish motives.
If a guy is talented, he should have the opportunity.
If he's not good enough, he shouldn't get the opportunity.
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Some of it rob is also just a product of
our system in America. Our sports, particularly football, basketball, baseball,
are tied to They're getting away from it now. Basketball
at least with AU. But they're tied to our educational
SYSTEMA no, but but high school, but that's still tied
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through But that's I mean. Larry Bird told me the
day after Lebron james first NBA game, Larry Bird told
me Lebron James is the only player he ever saw
who after his junior year of high school could have
been in the NBA. So my point is, we're not
We're talking about kids instead of going to college being
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in the NBA. What about that rare kid every blue
Moon who's sixteen, who's good enough to play in the NBA.
I wouldn't. I'm just saying the reason we don't, we
don't deal with that is because our sports system have
been tied unlike European basketball, it's tied to our educational system.
I don't know, we tend to go in those tiers.
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I don't have a problem with if a kid, even
if a kid was really that that great and he
was sixteen and he finished his education with homeschool doesn't
have to finish it, so you educate college education. I'm
for education. I always will say that I have two degrees.
I got accepted for a PhD. I'm all about education,
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but everybody doesn't have to go to school, and everybody's
not going to go to school, So I'm open to that,
and I understand it that God given talent might just
be to play basketball and not to get a college
degree or not to finish high school. It doesn't mean
you're the worst person in the world because you don't
have a degree, not at all. And there's a lot
of good people have done a lot of good things
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without a piece of paper, So I'm not all caught
up on that. Would I like to see everybody at
least get a high school diploma. I think that that's
a good thing. I don't think it's a bad thing.
But I wouldn't make that the reason why I would
stop a prodigy from having an opportunity to do something
well another and I thought it should be free market.
If the kid, if the person's good enough, if they're
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good enough that Nike wants to give them a deal,
then let them get the deal. At seventeen, That's how
I look at free market system. Football has been in
my mind. It's a little different now. I look at
Trevor Lawrence. Obviously physically he'll get a little bit bigger
in terms of his body. You know, he's not gonna
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grow anymore, but he doesn't need to. But he'll get
a little bigger in terms of his body. But for
the most I don't look at him and say physically
he wouldn't be ready. Most cases in football, I thought,
there's no way a kid can come out of high
school and play in the NFL. I mean it would
literally be dangerous. But that would be on. That to me,
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that would be on. That's the excuse that they've always used.
Oh their bodies. No, I don't even know that they
use that as an excuse. I'm just saying I've heard it.
Didn't haven't played football, and no, you know I've heard players,
but there's there's always an exception to there. And this
is what we're talking about. I want you to make
it very clear. I'm not talking about any player, but
you're talking about if they change the rule. And again
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I'm I'm so drafting, But a lot of kids would
declare themself and they don't get sought in the NBA,
don't get drafted, and then it are close to being rent.
Don't don't. They just shouldn't be drafted. And that's that's Chris,
it's okay to make a mistake. You just say they
should be allowed to go back to consolute. That's the thing.
What the penalty, right, there's no penalty. Why should declaring
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if I don't get drafted and all go to college.
I tried, it didn't work out. Why is there a penalty?
That was again to scare you from making that attempt,
so they would scare you like, oh but you can't
come back here? Oh my god. No. Well, and it
was also in line with the amateur rules. And I'm
not saying it's not all that is. So be sure
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The Arizona Cardinals they just hired Cliff Kingsbury after a
glowing thirty five and forty record at Texas Tech. Wait
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a minute, he had a losing record thirty five and forty.
His last three seasons were losing seasons, and four of
his six So you know what that means. You should
be promoted. He should get an NFL job. There's only
thirty two of them. He should be rewarded. How in
the world, how in the world they'll come up with
the must make sense, because they'll come up. He's another
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one of those young guys who does well with quarterbacks
that they're saying this is that's the selling point. You
see what they got with McVeigh. McVeigh in LA with
the Rams. That's what we want. We want them to
be in his thirties, we want them to be offensive
minded and that's who we want. Those are the that's
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the new coach of I don't know if they want
any championship, but that's what we're looking for. That's what
that's what we want. I'm baffled. I get it. You're right,
and we read to Tea his last segment and it
was about we understand they're going for the offense. It's
a copycat league. We noticed every time Chris they copied
what somebody else is doing. And yes, did McVeigh turn
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the Rams around. Absolutely absolutely. Look, I'm sorry from looking
at the record, the resume, he's not qualified. He's a
coach and maybe he'll end up doing well and you think,
but he goes in there with a thirty five and
forty record, he's all you need to know. Why in
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the world do you think he took the job at
USC if he thought he was gonna be a coaching
candidate for the NFL before the jobs before they black Monday?
Why would if you knew you had a chance at
one of those jobs, you wouldn't have grabbed the US
to see job. Right, you would have said wait, your
agent would have said, don't sign. You're right. They didn't
even consider that he had a shot at an NFL job.
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That tells you all you need to name. Don't tell me, oh,
it's Texas Tech. Because Mike Leach won at Texas Tech.
Tommy Tupperville was better at Texas Tech. What NFL job
did he get? I mean, and I'm just gonna go there.
You have five coaching black coaches, fired one of them
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in Arizona after one one year, which most people and you,
what do you think they're doing looking at this and saying,
hold on, this guy's thirty five and forty and he
got a job, right, and and he didn't want to
needed win a national championship and then't made the jump right,
or or was one of the four finalists in the
College Football Playoff. I mean, come on, is jump like
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that that makes you scream foul? That's just all theos.
It's ridiculous. I don't. I don't disagree. I don't. I'm
not pulling against him whatever. I'd love to see him
work with Josh Rosen and make him something special in Arizona.
But make the play LUs, make it fair, that's all.
Make it fair. And the other thing we talked about, like, uh, briefly,
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all the defensive coordinators who are around looking for a
head coaching job, good luck. They're not interested in you.
They want McVeigh the next mcvain. Meanwhile, what's getting it
done in the player right? Defense? It's defense. I'm telling you.
We all were caught up thinking it was gonna be
fifty forty games. Now, well, defense is coming back. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple with
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Chris Broussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern
four pm Pacific, Fox Sports and NFL Network Analysts. We
love having him on this show. He's got great knowledge.
Bucky Brooks, Bucky, welcome to The Eye Couple. Hey, thanks,
everything everything is good. Hey, Bucky, we were just talking
about out the playoffs and some players got mad that
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fans booed in Baltimore because Lamar Jackson wasn't playing well,
and obviously when Patty Parky missed the kick in Chicago
and whatnot. I believe Chris and I both that fans
have a right to boo and because they care, they
were into it. They otherwise they wouldn't cheer or wouldn't matter.
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Where are you on the on fans booing players if
they don't feel like they've played well or they're not
happy with the result, I mean they can. They're obviously
free to do whatever they want to do once they
pay the ticket. I don't think it necessarily helps your
team turn around the effort because you votched your displayer
how they playing. They certainly didn't want to play like that,
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But look, man, fans can do whatever it is they
want to do a lot of times, if you're a player,
you should kind of be locked in and focused where
you don't necessarily hear them. But I think in a
playoff situation and the way that Baltimore was playing, the
booze and all of the other stuff, obviously it creeped
onto the field, which is why he saw the players
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react like they did, but in most situations you try
and kind of block them out, and you really try
and play for your teammates as opposed to really worrying
about the fans and the others. Bucky, I'm looking at
this Arizona hire of Cliff Kingsbury and helped me out.
Explain it to me because he was set thirty five
and forty at Texas Tech, last three seasons were losing records.
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I mean, I need some help women. And let me
add this part in two that him and his agent
were so confident he's gonna get an NFL job that
he took the USC job right away, without even waiting
for Black Monday to happen. So that tells you he
wasn't thinking he was getting an opportunity in the NFL.
Are we right or wrong? I mean, like things are crazy.
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And the fact that he took a college job, a
college job as an offensive coordinator and the word was
already out there NFL teams were going to be interested
in him as an oc or head coach. Evidently he
got bad intel. Initially, his name kind of began to
have a little buzz, and he decided that he would
rather take an opportunity to even have to walk away
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from sc to get a head coaching gig. I just
think it's unprecedented that someone who fails at a lower
level hits the promotion the following off. Well, but you
don't see that, Like I've never seen a situation where
I am not good at what I do but I
get rewarded for it. And so, I mean, I understand
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that the league is changing and everyone wants the next
Sean McVeigh and they want the young offensive coordinator who
has all these magic plays or whatever. But I just
think there will be a lot of mistakes made because
people are chasing a play caller as opposed to really
trying to find a head coach. And I think when
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we look back in a year or two, a lot
of these teams that are making these hires, we'll be
back in the market trying to find another guy that
can lead their program. And the other part about it,
you want to percent on that spot on The other
part is the last thing you want to be now
in the NFL is some defensive defensive coordinator who's worked
their butt off because they're not interested in you as
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a head coach. So those guys aren't even getting looked at. Yeah,
And it's really truefold Like, there are a couple of
things when you talk about, like defensive coordinator not getting
an opportunity. I think if anyone that started looking at
football since Thanksgiving, we've noticed that the scoring has come
way down. So even though we talked about, oh, it's
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this offensive revolution, at some point, defensive coordinators always catch up.
And we have seen even this last weekend, I don't
think we saw a team score more than twenty four,
twenty six points and the max you're coordinator, Yeah, defensive
coordinators eventually catch up. And I know that everyone said
were yeah, but the best offenses weren't involved. We saw
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the Saints kind of come back to Earth. We saw
the Rams come back to Earth. So as much as
we talk about this league kind of being fueled by offense,
it is, but the best teams can play on both
sides of the ball, and you have to be able
to play defense. And then I'm gonna say this because
we won't get talked about and I always get hit
up on Twitter about it, but the trend to offense
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and coaches means that it's less likely that we're going
to see more minority coaches and head coaching because because
of the way the pipeline is set up, most offensive
coordinators and quarterback coaches are non minority, and so if
that is what everyone is desiring, you're not going to
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see many people of color us in to the top spot.
It's unfortunate because most of the coaches, particularly the minority coaches,
all the defensive side of the ball. We will see
despite the Rooney Rule and the efforts to make the
league more diverse in the coaching rank, we receive fewer
people of color manning the sidelines as head coaches in
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the league that a seventy percent minority. Now we have
five black coaches, five of the seven black coaches fired.
How many black coaches do you think will fill those jobs?
How many guys do you think? I know Jim Carwall
has been taken all over the country for interviews. I'm
not so sure he's gonna get hired or is he
just there to fill up the Rooney rule qualification? But
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what do you expect? Do you who's the hottest name?
Eric b Enemy right enemy? Is he going to get
a job? Do you think? Man? I look don't I
don't know like I would like to think that. I
think maybe one. And the only reason I say one
is I'm thinking that hopefully there won't be necessarily a
force shout out when it comes to the cycle, and
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I know automatically and my mentions it's gonna be, Oh,
it's about the most qualified candidates. Well, don't bring us
Cliff Kings. You miss there, Yeah you can miss me that, Like,
that's not going to be the situation. So I think
Air the Enemy has a chance. But the problem when
it comes to the enemy is like people gonna say, well, yeah,
but he did he really call players or did Andy
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recall plays or whatever, and so he won't get the
bunk that Matt Naggie and Doug Peterson got when they
were the offensive coordinator. So I don't know if he'll
get a job just go around, but I am hopeful
that either Christian Chard or Brian Floyd may end up
getting a job. But the longer they stay in the playoffs,
the less like it is that they'll get a job,
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because when you play a long time, you can't assemble
a staff, and so a lot of times you're left
I don't want to say picking the scraps, but you
don't have prime choices to fill out your coaching staff
because everyone else has gone to the first bidder. Those
guys that get hired early. It's the eye Couple were
joined by Fox Sports and NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks.
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And why is it, Bucky that you mentioned black coaches
is kind of being funnel to the defensive side of
the ball. Why is that? I mean, like, like, if
we go back, Chris, it's really as again, like yeah,
if you go all the way back, like doctor Harry
Edward did a study back when I was in college.
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I mean, like I'm talking about like early nineties where
talking about most head coaches come from positions of centrality,
meaning quarterback, center, middle, linebacker, free safety, and so back
in the sixties even early seventies, Blacks weren't necessarily permitted
to play those positions because they were viewed as thinking
man positions. And so when you don't have guys that
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are playing those positions, they tend not to coach those positions,
so they're not necessarily in the pipeline and look SiO.
Typically some people will say that defense is viewed as
more of an emotional reactionary thing. You don't necessarily give
the guru status when it comes to defense, and so
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it just is the way it's perceived offensive guys are viewed.
That's kind of like the smart high IQ guys, where
it looks like on defense we are raw raw, let's
still get it on emotion and a lot of time
black coaches unfortunately on the defensive the ball. You were
also talking about the offensive coordinators when we mentioned bingem me,
you know, he might not get that bumped that some
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of these other guys got. Matt Lafleur, I mean, he
didn't light light the world on fire in Tennessee this year.
But what is like work? You think that'll work out.
I think it's gonna be a struggle. I think I
just had an opportunity to text a couple of people
that knew him, and they said, look, he's a bright
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offensive mind. He knows a lot of stuff about offense
and how to put it together, play schemes and the like.
But they questioned whether he was a natural leader of men.
They said that he is not the most commanding presence
that you would see at the beginning at the front
of the room, and that they have a tough time
to imagining a guy that man have had some struggles
managing the offensive room, being the leader of the team.
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That said, there have been some guys who have been
able to be head coaches who don't have that. But
what you have to do is you have to populate
your staff with enough dogs, enough guys that can kind
of have commanding presence, commanding presence where they can kind
of control some of the stronger personality players that you've had.
And so we'll see what kind of staff he puts together.
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They're saying that he's going to keep Mike Petton as
a defensive corner. I don't know. We just see hypopulates
the staff. Because his coaching staff is really going to
be the key to the success because he is going
to have to manage a relationship with him and Aaron Rodgers,
young guy, older superstar quarterback. How is that going to
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work out? Because he has to be able to put
him in his place and hold him accountable. We'll see
if that can happen. Hey, Bucky, we have thirty seconds.
A team that was I was most impressed by over
the Wall car Weekend. What it charges all they keep doing.
There's especially when they get on a plane to fly somewhere,
they keep winning and they want in Baltimore and they
go on to New England. Do you like their chances
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up in Foxborough? I like the chance. I think they're
the more talented team. I think they have all the
things that you looked for in a team that can
beat in New England. The thing is, can they beat
the Patriots? Mystique? The Patriots that have always had a
way of winning games in their place, and so for me,
the Chargers. Can they go up there and just treat
them like nameless, faceless people. Because they do that, they'll
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knock them off. But if they kind of get odd
and spooked by Tom Brady and the Patriots running out
the tunnel, they will be another team that goes up
then moves despite having more talent on their squad. All right,
buck appreciated, Man stuff, man, we appreciate it. Hey, thanks
for the bucket. You was so good. I will not
boo you for your performance. Okay, I have a good one.
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. Two was the
guy going in and Trevor Lawrence just totally outshined him,
I mean two or through two interceptions, one of them
a pick six. They really got Clempson going. And so
(00:45):
this has sparked discussion Rod Parker on whether or not
freshman kids out of high school should be able to
go straight to the NFL because we heard off Sason
and I think it was ridiculous that team, even former
Alabama players current NFL guys were saying that Alabama could
(01:09):
win some games in the NFL, not this year. I
know when it came up with that. I mean one
guy I think I can't remember I read the article
a little while ago, was saying that he thinks they
can make the playoffs. I don't think they're thinking that now.
But anyway, against this team that many thought might be
the greatest college football team ever, a freshman Trevor Lawrence
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goes buck wild, and a lot of people are looking
at the fact that he has to spend, according to
the rules, the next two years in college before he
can go to the NFL and get paid. A lot
of people think that's wrong, a travesty, whatever you want
to call it. And there the truth of the matter is,
it was reported today, is that it's not the nc
double a's rule, but it's the NFL Players Association rule.
(01:59):
They keep players in college at least three years before
they're eligible to draft them, so that a lot of
their players, you know, the average lifespan of an NFL
player in the league is three and a half to
four years, right, And so a lot of players, knowing
that their window is that small, don't want to let
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the younger guys in and have a guy who's not
as good as them yet but has greater potential take
a roster spot from them. And I got I gotta
admit I get some of that. I'm all for the
free market. If you're good enough, then you should be
able to play. But I do understand where the players
players are coming. I don't understand it at all because
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it's supposed to be about competition, right, So the strongest
guys make the team and the guys who aren't that
good don't make the team. And if what if the
guy's not as strong as me, but you can see
in two years he's gonna be better than me. But
they kind of wipe the floor with They cut players
all the time because of money, the cap, casualties. So
you're not stopping owners from doing it getting rid of
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people over money. It's a selfish way to look at it.
Sports is the only place that penalizes prodigies. You're telling
me that Lebron James shouldn't have been playing in the
NBA eighteenm No, But I'm saying but according to the
NFL Players Association, he wouldn't have been able to play
if those guys, those knuckleheads were in charge of the NBA.
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That's my point. Younger people, if you're a classic pianist
pianist and you can and you're this this great prodigy,
they don't stop you from playing at Carnegie Hall christ
at at thirteen years old. You know what they do
they embrace you, they put you out there, and you
(03:48):
have God given talentertainment in you. Don't stop. Michael Jackson
was how old. Yes, he was a star. He was
the frontman of the Jacksons. He was the actors, actresses.
And let's keep it real. Even in sports, you see
in tennis, you see young people. Thank you. It's the
sports football and basketball you dominated by African America. Absolute
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hockey you can get in young Steve. It was in
the NHL eighteen he was eighteen years old and in
the NHL. My point is that it's wrong and we
need to stop stopping people. If they're good enough and
talented enough, you're okay to send an eighteen given eighteen
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year old a rifle and say go abroad and fight.
But but you can't play the football game. Come on, manute,
that makes no sense. And if you're not good enough
or not athletically good enough or physically good enough, don't
draft them. Don't draft the kid. The old desisn't on
the kids. On the general manager. I agree with you,
and I don't let me say this. Don't forget Dugie
(04:56):
Howser was a young kid. He was a doctor, wasn't
he that was what you're lying. That was your line.
You should have quit while you were here. Thank you,
I thank you were rolling until you brought up you
had to go one step too far. But let me
tell you this, I didn't look it up younger. I
was with you. The youngest doctor in the United States.
(05:18):
How old youngest doctor in United State? Anybody know? Seventeen
years old. That's the youngest doctor in the history of
the United States. So my point. And then I threw
out the other one. All time baseball pitcher Joe Knuxall
pitch for the Cincinnati Reads. He was fifteen, but that
was because a lot of the players were in World
(05:40):
War Two. But he but he pitched. They didn't say
we can't pitch him. He's fifteen. He was good enough
to gave him a chance. That's all I'm saying. Stop
stopping people based on no real reason other than selfish motives.
If a guy is talented, he should have the opportunity.
If he's not good enough, he shouldn't get the opportunity.
(06:02):
Some of it rob is also just a product of
our system in America. Our sports, particularly football, basketball, baseball,
are tied to They're getting away from it now. Basketball
at least with AU. But they're tied to our educational
SYSTEMA no, but but high school, but that's still tied
(06:22):
through But that's I mean. Larry Bird told me the
day after Lebron james first NBA game, Larry Bird told
me Lebron James is the only player he ever saw
who after his junior year of high school could have
been in the NBA. So my point is, we're not
We're talking about kids instead of going to college being
(06:44):
in the NBA. What about that rare kid every blue
Moon who's sixteen, who's good enough to play in the NBA.
I wouldn't. I'm just saying the reason we don't, we
don't deal with that is because our sports system have
been tied unlike European basketball, it's tied to our educational system.
I don't know, we tend to go in those tiers.
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I don't have a problem with if a kid, even
if a kid was really that that great and he
was sixteen and he finished his education with homeschool doesn't
have to finish it, so you educate college education. I'm
for education. I always will say that I have two degrees.
I got accepted for a PhD. I'm all about education,
(07:27):
but everybody doesn't have to go to school, and everybody's
not going to go to school, So I'm open to that,
and I understand it that God given talent might just
be to play basketball and not to get a college
degree or not to finish high school. It doesn't mean
you're the worst person in the world because you don't
have a degree, not at all. And there's a lot
of good people have done a lot of good things
(07:48):
without a piece of paper, So I'm not all caught
up on that. Would I like to see everybody at
least get a high school diploma. I think that that's
a good thing. I don't think it's a bad thing.
But I wouldn't make that the reason why I would
stop a prodigy from having an opportunity to do something
well another and I thought it should be free market.
If the kid, if the person's good enough, if they're
(08:10):
good enough that Nike wants to give them a deal,
then let them get the deal. At seventeen, That's how
I look at free market system. Football has been in
my mind. It's a little different now. I look at
Trevor Lawrence. Obviously physically he'll get a little bit bigger
in terms of his body. You know, he's not gonna
(08:31):
grow anymore, but he doesn't need to. But he'll get
a little bigger in terms of his body. But for
the most I don't look at him and say physically
he wouldn't be ready. Most cases in football, I thought,
there's no way a kid can come out of high
school and play in the NFL. I mean it would
literally be dangerous. But that would be on. That to me,
(08:52):
that would be on. That's the excuse that they've always used.
Oh their bodies. No, I don't even know that they
use that as an excuse. I'm just saying I've heard it.
Didn't haven't played football, and no, you know I've heard players,
but there's there's always an exception to there. And this
is what we're talking about. I want you to make
it very clear. I'm not talking about any player, but
you're talking about if they change the rule. And again
(09:15):
I'm I'm so drafting, But a lot of kids would
declare themself and they don't get sought in the NBA,
don't get drafted, and then it are close to being rent.
Don't don't. They just shouldn't be drafted. And that's that's Chris,
it's okay to make a mistake. You just say they
should be allowed to go back to consolute. That's the thing.
What the penalty, right, there's no penalty. Why should declaring
(09:37):
if I don't get drafted and all go to college.
I tried, it didn't work out. Why is there a penalty?
That was again to scare you from making that attempt,
so they would scare you like, oh but you can't
come back here? Oh my god. No. Well, and it
was also in line with the amateur rules. And I'm
not saying it's not all that is. So be sure
(10:00):
to catch live editions of The Odd Couple with Chris
Brussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern four
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The Arizona Cardinals they just hired Cliff Kingsbury after a
glowing thirty five and forty record at Texas Tech. Wait
(10:21):
a minute, he had a losing record thirty five and forty.
His last three seasons were losing seasons, and four of
his six So you know what that means. You should
be promoted. He should get an NFL job. There's only
thirty two of them. He should be rewarded. How in
the world, how in the world they'll come up with
the must make sense, because they'll come up. He's another
(10:43):
one of those young guys who does well with quarterbacks
that they're saying this is that's the selling point. You
see what they got with McVeigh. McVeigh in LA with
the Rams. That's what we want. We want them to
be in his thirties, we want them to be offensive
minded and that's who we want. Those are the that's
(11:03):
the new coach of I don't know if they want
any championship, but that's what we're looking for. That's what
that's what we want. I'm baffled. I get it. You're right,
and we read to Tea his last segment and it
was about we understand they're going for the offense. It's
a copycat league. We noticed every time Chris they copied
what somebody else is doing. And yes, did McVeigh turn
(11:26):
the Rams around. Absolutely absolutely. Look, I'm sorry from looking
at the record, the resume, he's not qualified. He's a
coach and maybe he'll end up doing well and you think,
but he goes in there with a thirty five and
forty record, he's all you need to know. Why in
(11:47):
the world do you think he took the job at
USC if he thought he was gonna be a coaching
candidate for the NFL before the jobs before they black Monday?
Why would if you knew you had a chance at
one of those jobs, you wouldn't have grabbed the US
to see job. Right, you would have said wait, your
agent would have said, don't sign. You're right. They didn't
even consider that he had a shot at an NFL job.
(12:10):
That tells you all you need to name. Don't tell me, oh,
it's Texas Tech. Because Mike Leach won at Texas Tech.
Tommy Tupperville was better at Texas Tech. What NFL job
did he get? I mean, and I'm just gonna go there.
You have five coaching black coaches, fired one of them
(12:32):
in Arizona after one one year, which most people and you,
what do you think they're doing looking at this and saying,
hold on, this guy's thirty five and forty and he
got a job, right, and and he didn't want to
needed win a national championship and then't made the jump right,
or or was one of the four finalists in the
College Football Playoff. I mean, come on, is jump like
(12:56):
that that makes you scream foul? That's just all theos.
It's ridiculous. I don't. I don't disagree. I don't. I'm
not pulling against him whatever. I'd love to see him
work with Josh Rosen and make him something special in Arizona.
But make the play LUs, make it fair, that's all.
Make it fair. And the other thing we talked about, like, uh, briefly,
(13:17):
all the defensive coordinators who are around looking for a
head coaching job, good luck. They're not interested in you.
They want McVeigh the next mcvain. Meanwhile, what's getting it
done in the player right? Defense? It's defense. I'm telling you.
We all were caught up thinking it was gonna be
fifty forty games. Now, well, defense is coming back. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple with
(13:40):
Chris Broussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern
four pm Pacific, Fox Sports and NFL Network Analysts. We
love having him on this show. He's got great knowledge.
Bucky Brooks, Bucky, welcome to The Eye Couple. Hey, thanks,
everything everything is good. Hey, Bucky, we were just talking
about out the playoffs and some players got mad that
(14:03):
fans booed in Baltimore because Lamar Jackson wasn't playing well,
and obviously when Patty Parky missed the kick in Chicago
and whatnot. I believe Chris and I both that fans
have a right to boo and because they care, they
were into it. They otherwise they wouldn't cheer or wouldn't matter.
(14:24):
Where are you on the on fans booing players if
they don't feel like they've played well or they're not
happy with the result, I mean they can. They're obviously
free to do whatever they want to do once they
pay the ticket. I don't think it necessarily helps your
team turn around the effort because you votched your displayer
how they playing. They certainly didn't want to play like that,
(14:44):
But look, man, fans can do whatever it is they
want to do a lot of times, if you're a player,
you should kind of be locked in and focused where
you don't necessarily hear them. But I think in a
playoff situation and the way that Baltimore was playing, the
booze and all of the other stuff, obviously it creeped
onto the field, which is why he saw the players
(15:05):
react like they did, but in most situations you try
and kind of block them out, and you really try
and play for your teammates as opposed to really worrying
about the fans and the others. Bucky, I'm looking at
this Arizona hire of Cliff Kingsbury and helped me out.
Explain it to me because he was set thirty five
and forty at Texas Tech, last three seasons were losing records.
(15:29):
I mean, I need some help women. And let me
add this part in two that him and his agent
were so confident he's gonna get an NFL job that
he took the USC job right away, without even waiting
for Black Monday to happen. So that tells you he
wasn't thinking he was getting an opportunity in the NFL.
Are we right or wrong? I mean, like things are crazy.
(15:53):
And the fact that he took a college job, a
college job as an offensive coordinator and the word was
already out there NFL teams were going to be interested
in him as an oc or head coach. Evidently he
got bad intel. Initially, his name kind of began to
have a little buzz, and he decided that he would
rather take an opportunity to even have to walk away
(16:17):
from sc to get a head coaching gig. I just
think it's unprecedented that someone who fails at a lower
level hits the promotion the following off. Well, but you
don't see that, Like I've never seen a situation where
I am not good at what I do but I
get rewarded for it. And so, I mean, I understand
(16:40):
that the league is changing and everyone wants the next
Sean McVeigh and they want the young offensive coordinator who
has all these magic plays or whatever. But I just
think there will be a lot of mistakes made because
people are chasing a play caller as opposed to really
trying to find a head coach. And I think when
(17:01):
we look back in a year or two, a lot
of these teams that are making these hires, we'll be
back in the market trying to find another guy that
can lead their program. And the other part about it,
you want to percent on that spot on The other
part is the last thing you want to be now
in the NFL is some defensive defensive coordinator who's worked
their butt off because they're not interested in you as
(17:23):
a head coach. So those guys aren't even getting looked at. Yeah,
And it's really truefold Like, there are a couple of
things when you talk about, like defensive coordinator not getting
an opportunity. I think if anyone that started looking at
football since Thanksgiving, we've noticed that the scoring has come
way down. So even though we talked about, oh, it's
(17:44):
this offensive revolution, at some point, defensive coordinators always catch up.
And we have seen even this last weekend, I don't
think we saw a team score more than twenty four,
twenty six points and the max you're coordinator, Yeah, defensive
coordinators eventually catch up. And I know that everyone said
were yeah, but the best offenses weren't involved. We saw
(18:07):
the Saints kind of come back to Earth. We saw
the Rams come back to Earth. So as much as
we talk about this league kind of being fueled by offense,
it is, but the best teams can play on both
sides of the ball, and you have to be able
to play defense. And then I'm gonna say this because
we won't get talked about and I always get hit
up on Twitter about it, but the trend to offense
(18:27):
and coaches means that it's less likely that we're going
to see more minority coaches and head coaching because because
of the way the pipeline is set up, most offensive
coordinators and quarterback coaches are non minority, and so if
that is what everyone is desiring, you're not going to
(18:49):
see many people of color us in to the top spot.
It's unfortunate because most of the coaches, particularly the minority coaches,
all the defensive side of the ball. We will see
despite the Rooney Rule and the efforts to make the
league more diverse in the coaching rank, we receive fewer
people of color manning the sidelines as head coaches in
(19:10):
the league that a seventy percent minority. Now we have
five black coaches, five of the seven black coaches fired.
How many black coaches do you think will fill those jobs?
How many guys do you think? I know Jim Carwall
has been taken all over the country for interviews. I'm
not so sure he's gonna get hired or is he
just there to fill up the Rooney rule qualification? But
(19:31):
what do you expect? Do you who's the hottest name?
Eric b Enemy right enemy? Is he going to get
a job? Do you think? Man? I look don't I
don't know like I would like to think that. I
think maybe one. And the only reason I say one
is I'm thinking that hopefully there won't be necessarily a
force shout out when it comes to the cycle, and
(19:51):
I know automatically and my mentions it's gonna be, Oh,
it's about the most qualified candidates. Well, don't bring us
Cliff Kings. You miss there, Yeah you can miss me that, Like,
that's not going to be the situation. So I think
Air the Enemy has a chance. But the problem when
it comes to the enemy is like people gonna say, well, yeah,
but he did he really call players or did Andy
(20:12):
recall plays or whatever, and so he won't get the
bunk that Matt Naggie and Doug Peterson got when they
were the offensive coordinator. So I don't know if he'll
get a job just go around, but I am hopeful
that either Christian Chard or Brian Floyd may end up
getting a job. But the longer they stay in the playoffs,
the less like it is that they'll get a job,
(20:33):
because when you play a long time, you can't assemble
a staff, and so a lot of times you're left
I don't want to say picking the scraps, but you
don't have prime choices to fill out your coaching staff
because everyone else has gone to the first bidder. Those
guys that get hired early. It's the eye Couple were
joined by Fox Sports and NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks.
(20:54):
And why is it, Bucky that you mentioned black coaches
is kind of being funnel to the defensive side of
the ball. Why is that? I mean, like, like, if
we go back, Chris, it's really as again, like yeah,
if you go all the way back, like doctor Harry
Edward did a study back when I was in college.
(21:16):
I mean, like I'm talking about like early nineties where
talking about most head coaches come from positions of centrality,
meaning quarterback, center, middle, linebacker, free safety, and so back
in the sixties even early seventies, Blacks weren't necessarily permitted
to play those positions because they were viewed as thinking
man positions. And so when you don't have guys that
(21:40):
are playing those positions, they tend not to coach those positions,
so they're not necessarily in the pipeline and look SiO.
Typically some people will say that defense is viewed as
more of an emotional reactionary thing. You don't necessarily give
the guru status when it comes to defense, and so
(22:00):
it just is the way it's perceived offensive guys are viewed.
That's kind of like the smart high IQ guys, where
it looks like on defense we are raw raw, let's
still get it on emotion and a lot of time
black coaches unfortunately on the defensive the ball. You were
also talking about the offensive coordinators when we mentioned bingem me,
you know, he might not get that bumped that some
(22:22):
of these other guys got. Matt Lafleur, I mean, he
didn't light light the world on fire in Tennessee this year.
But what is like work? You think that'll work out.
I think it's gonna be a struggle. I think I
just had an opportunity to text a couple of people
that knew him, and they said, look, he's a bright
(22:43):
offensive mind. He knows a lot of stuff about offense
and how to put it together, play schemes and the like.
But they questioned whether he was a natural leader of men.
They said that he is not the most commanding presence
that you would see at the beginning at the front
of the room, and that they have a tough time
to imagining a guy that man have had some struggles
managing the offensive room, being the leader of the team.
(23:07):
That said, there have been some guys who have been
able to be head coaches who don't have that. But
what you have to do is you have to populate
your staff with enough dogs, enough guys that can kind
of have commanding presence, commanding presence where they can kind
of control some of the stronger personality players that you've had.
And so we'll see what kind of staff he puts together.
(23:27):
They're saying that he's going to keep Mike Petton as
a defensive corner. I don't know. We just see hypopulates
the staff. Because his coaching staff is really going to
be the key to the success because he is going
to have to manage a relationship with him and Aaron Rodgers,
young guy, older superstar quarterback. How is that going to
(23:48):
work out? Because he has to be able to put
him in his place and hold him accountable. We'll see
if that can happen. Hey, Bucky, we have thirty seconds.
A team that was I was most impressed by over
the Wall car Weekend. What it charges all they keep doing.
There's especially when they get on a plane to fly somewhere,
they keep winning and they want in Baltimore and they
go on to New England. Do you like their chances
(24:09):
up in Foxborough? I like the chance. I think they're
the more talented team. I think they have all the
things that you looked for in a team that can
beat in New England. The thing is, can they beat
the Patriots? Mystique? The Patriots that have always had a
way of winning games in their place, and so for me,
the Chargers. Can they go up there and just treat
them like nameless, faceless people. Because they do that, they'll
(24:32):
knock them off. But if they kind of get odd
and spooked by Tom Brady and the Patriots running out
the tunnel, they will be another team that goes up
then moves despite having more talent on their squad. All right,
buck appreciated, Man stuff, man, we appreciate it. Hey, thanks
for the bucket. You was so good. I will not
boo you for your performance. Okay, I have a good one.
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