February 4, 2019 • 24 mins
It's the Best of the Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Chris and Rob debate whether or not Tom Brady's mediocre Super Bowl performance (albeit in a Patriots victory) should change the way fans feel about his legacy, discuss which Rams player deserves the most blame for their ugly offensive performance last night - Todd Gurley or Jared Goff, and explain why Julian Edelman absolutely should not be considered for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
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You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brussa and Rod Harker. Tell me about Brady. Did
Brady look forty one or thirty one to you last night?
I mean, he obviously wasn't spectacular, But the notion that
he wasn't very good, that he wasn't good, that he
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just got carried to the championship, No, that's just not accurate.
And here's why. Because when push came to shove and
it was the fourth quarter, it was clutch time. What
did he do? Nine minutes left, Dame is tied three three,
As he always does, as he always has done, better
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than any other quarterback in the history of the game,
he led a game winning drive. It was his sixth
game winning drive in the six Super Bowls he's been in.
No other quarterback has more than two. It was his
thirteenth game winning drive in the playoffs. No other quarterback
has more than six. So what does he do? Yeah,
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he struggled all night, but again when it was nut
crunching time, he goes and hits four for four all right,
eighteen yards to Gronk, thirteen yards to Edelman, seven yards
to rex birkehead twenty nine yards to Gronk, which could
have easily been a touchdown. It was right there at
the goal line. Four for four, sixty seven yards. That's
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all he had to do, all right, he delivered. Let
me stop. That's it, Let me stop. You hold on.
When he threw for five hundred and five what two
last year? You don't give him any credit for that,
even though he was spectacular individually, and now that he
had a good game but not a terrific game, we
don't want to give him credit in the win come out.
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But then why didn't he win the MVP? Chrish, you
just made the care who won because I'm asking you
why didn't he win the MVP? If he was clutching
the fourth quarter? Why did he win? Because he had
a bad game, just really a bad game. He had
a bad reception and he didn't do that you didn't
know what to watch. I know you don't know what
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you're watching. So you're telling the game winning drives? Why
didn't Who cares? Isn't a team game or not? No,
but they had to give it to somebody. They gave
it to a receiver didn't even have a touchdown. If
Tom Brady was all last, why didn't they give it
to him? Chris, that's the trophy? Nobody cares? And answer
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the question, Thembardi Trophy. Answer me the question. Just answer
me that question. They were looking for an MVP. You
just broke down how spectacular he was and he led
to the game winning drive. But all the football writers
in Atlanta looked and said, let's see, let's give it
to a receiver who didn't even You just said groc
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made the two biggest catches and he didn't even have
a touchdown. Let's give it. What is your point? I've
let you continue with this nonsense long enough. It ain't.
I guess everybody who didn't get the MVP had a
bad game. No, Tony Michelle had a bad game. Rober
Growski had a bad game. Anybody on the defense had
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a bad Come on, man, bring me some real logic,
That is logic. This is bogus, This is Brady. No,
my face, bogus garbage. No, I'm asking you who was
the MVP. I'm asking you. You just made the said
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everybody who want you maybe had a bad game. You
made the k Brady, was you made the key? You said,
look at the driving head. He went four for four
and he threw it to the air and threw it
to the air, and he had the game when he drives,
and that's number six and that's number six offs. If
that was the game when he drive and Tom Brady
was so tack in the clutch, he wouldn't won the VP, MVP.
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He wouldn't even he wouldn't even consented for the MVP.
He had a bad game, admitted he looked like a
forty one year old He knowed forty one year old
quarterback who was carried along by his defense the same
way Peyton Manning won his second supermow. But he wasn't Peyton.
That's it was. Manny had no touchdowns, one interception and
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one yards. Let me hear you with some facts now,
he bad garbage, all right? Tom Brady through for two
hundred and sixty two yards. Tom Brady led the game
winning drive. Tom Brady had a passer rating of seventy one.
You you want to keep bringing up one, Yeah, you
want to keep bringing up Peyton Peyton Man. I ain't
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say it was MVP Peyton Man. He had one hundred
forty one yards and a passer rating of fifty six
and two fumbles and an interception in twenty fifteen. So
was Joe Namath bad in nineteen sixty nine when he
won the Super Bowl but threw no touchdown? Joe in
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six yards? Joe name was? What was? Was John Elway bad?
Hen't won the Super Bowl and went twelve for twenty
two with one hundred and twenty three yards an interception
in a fifty two passer rating. But was Terry Brashaw
different than seventy five when he threw for ninety six
yards or in seventy six when he threw for two
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hundred nine but was nine for nineteen. Stop it. It's
a team sport. If you lead your team to the
titan not he's taking it away from the wind. There
you are. I'm just telling you away from time. I
not care who was there telling you that you made
the case that he was so great in the fourth
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quarter and clutch But but they didn't give them the MVP.
How could he be clutched? How could he be clutching?
They didn't even they looked at his numbers. I don't
he didn't for yourself. And stop letting the other writers
think for you. They don't think for me. I agree
on a barely they that's your argument. If the other
writers for yourself, be a man. Here we go down
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for yourself. Don't give me what the other writers did.
They did the right They did the right thing, because okay,
tell me about the drive. Then the driver was fine.
It was fine, but I mean he wasn't good in
that drive. No, but he wasn't like what you made
it out to be like. There was some clutches. He
score sixty seven yards a perfectly grant score was three
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for three to three. It wasn't like bright like they
came back the Atlanta when he came back three quarters.
I said, when push came to shove, he delivered. That's
all I'm saying. You didn't give him credit for that.
I never said once he should have been MVP. I said,
the defense, all right, but why did they give it
to Edlman just just answer, have no idea, just like
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they shouldn't have given it Andre Goudalari with the Warriors
in twenty fifteen, nor he deserved that. I'm not gonna
let them determine what I saw. And I believe as
an expert myself. You an expert, You letting know what
what what you think? Oh? They were right on the money.
There should have been it should have been No, it
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shouldn't have been Brady, is what I'm saying. What should
it have been? Elment? That's all I'm just saying. They
looked at that drive and they're all like made. They
were wrong. They were wrong, period, But they weren't wrong
about giving it to Brady. They were wrong. That should argument.
They were right about not giving it to fans. Let's
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see what the listeners thing. Man. If I didn't by you,
I'm sure the listeners will. You didn't bury me or
your kidding. I'm still breathing. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Odd Couple with Chris Brussar and Rob
Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern four pm Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app. Jared Golf
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to Me was to blame. There was an open man
in the in the in the end zone. He threw
it too late. There were just a couple and then
you know the interception. I just I looked at it
and I said, he's the guy that we saw his
rookie year when he was awful. And uh. And I
know he's had big numbers and put up, but that
was a time where he just needed to make a
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play or two, not a thousand plays. It was a
three three game, Chris. He just needed to make a
play or two. That's all he needed to make. Well,
let me say this first about McVeagh. People that are
jumping on McVeagh and saying he's not what we thought
he was, and we've jumped to conclusion. Now, granted, I
think people have over stayed his greatness already. Hasn't yet
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won a Super Bowl, you know. Now he's got a
coaching tree. I think it's too soon for that. So
I get all that, but look, the dude is thirty
three years old. He's in what his third year coach
or second year, second year coach, and he was up
against the greatest coach I believe. And even though you
might not think he's the goat. He's certainly you know,
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he's up there. He's an all time great coach. He
just out coached Andy Reid. He coached circles around him,
Anthony Lynn, same thing. I'm not This doesn't change anything
as far as my feelings about Sean mcvayh you know,
I'm not gonna His defense was great. His defense solved
the Patriots for the most part. So I'm not gonna
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kill Sean McVay. But I don't think golf is alone
in sharing the lion's share of the blame for this game.
I gotta put some of it on ty Gurley. And
like I said to Rod Woods, and look, we can
all say he's injured, and maybe he is. I don't know.
But what I do know is Girly himself said he's
not injured. Sean McVay said he's not injured. His teammates
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have said he's not injured. And Rob, you know, in
this day and age of just about everything leaking, there
have been no leaks, no one, no anonymous source that
it said. You know, tyd really is banged up. He's
not the same And like you said a few weeks ago,
he looked great against Dallas game. But then you know
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C J. Anderson didn't have No, he didn't have a
great But c J. Anderson is c J. Anderson, right,
Todd Gurley, and I'm look, I like the way Tyd
carries himself. But if I'm a hundred percent, you better
believe that, I'm like, yo, I need to get the ball.
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Like when Ezekiel Elliot was at Ohio State member, they
didn't give him the ball in a big game. He
talked about it. If I'm arguably the best running back
in the league and I'm getting bitched for some dude
who was out of the league a few weeks ago,
you think I'm just gonna sit there and and not
say anything. So I don't know if he's hurt or what.
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But Todd Gurley, I mean, I'm just taking him at
his word and everybody else in the organization at their word.
What in the world happened? And and look, we can
go back to the game the NFC Championship game. He
dropped two passes two passes early and then he disappeared.
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He was bitched for a lot of that game after that.
So I don't know. Look, maybe we'll find out something
coming up. But this was huge. I mean he we
all have said all year long, Girly is the key
to that offense. And for that key to just all
of a sudden disappear, I'm sorry, it's it's a problem.
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And so i gotta put it on Girly and Golf. Yeah,
I mean pick one. You're gonna tell You're gonna say
it's Girly and I'll say, no, I'm gonna pick I mean,
you can't. They're both have been great in this these
last two years of a resurgence for the RAM But
they went from averaging almost thirty three points to three Chris.
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The last team to score three points in the Super
Bowl and lose, uh goes back to the Dolphins in
nineteen seventy one. That's how inept they were. Think about
that nineteen seventy one. And that's why we're supposed to
be the offense that's gonna They're one of the top
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ten offenses in the history of the NFL, not just
this season, they're top ten offense in the history of
the league. Well, it says a lot about Bill Belichick.
We know he's a defensive, you know, minded coach, and
that's where he cut his teeth. Um think about this.
They scored that Rams team scored fifty four points on
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Kansas City and he tell him the three. That's what
I'm trying to say. It's ridiculous. Three. And now to
look at where they are now and what happened, and uh,
I don't know. I just I don't think Jared was
was there. I just I get you one, I get you.
I mean, I think, look, I hope this is way off.
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But like I said to Rod Woodson, they gave him
four years, sixty million, and Rod, we've seen running backs,
whether it's due to injury, overuse, whatever, they can change
quickly for running back. That's why the hope, that's why
Girly no, I mean for him on an individual great.
I'm just saying that's why, because you're right, it can change,
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you know what I mean, Chris, Well, that's what the
players should fight for in the next CBA, Like instead
of these running backs having to wait till they can
really get paid because most of them, a lot of
their best years are early and then they don't get
paid and then they falled off by the time they're
up a contract and you know, they don't get the money.
So hopefully we'll see the old Tie Gurley next season.
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But I don't know, man, this was baffling. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Odd Couple with Chris
Broussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern four
pm Pacific. We've been talking a little bit about Julian Edelman,
yes as the MVP, whether or not he should have
been MVP. We've really kind of covered that. We both
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agree no, yeah, it really was really was no offensive MVP.
Go ahead, and that's no dish to him and the
numbers he put up and yes he was making catches.
Excuse me, had one hundred and forty one yards. I
get all that. I just think to be an MVP,
it's gotta be a little more than that to me.
I just in a game that was a defensive struggle
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that just seemed like to be a stretch, because see,
my only thing is, if you're gonna give it to
a wide receiver who doesn't have a touchdown, then then
why would you take it from Brady? Then? I'm just seriously,
it doesn't it doesn't make any sense if he leaves
you down to the game winning drive. And it's not
like Edelman had three touchdowns or something in one hundred
and fifty yards, then there's no argument, right, So I
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totally get it. Edelman wanted he got the pass by
who he didn't throw the ball to himself. I just
do you see what I'm saying. That's what That's why
I thought, if you were gonna give it to Edelman,
and again he was, you know, he was good for
what he does, but every pass he caught was from
Brady and none of them were spectacular. If you want
to go to the most spectacular, it was necessarily spectacular.
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But yeah, the bat the most important passes of the game,
the two biggest one. Let's put it that way. We're grunk.
But it just wasn't enough, you know what I mean,
like for him yards wise, So exactly exactly, and I've
mentioned Sony Michelle, but I think bottom line is it
should have been either the entire defense or a defensive player.
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Maybe it's to find Gilmore or somebody like that. Gilmour
may plays, but people ribe, here's the thing, and I
think we'll agree on this too, but people are going
beyond Julian Edelman is the MVP. Now there is a discussion,
a robust discussion, a lot of writers and experts are
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putting it out there that they think Julian Edelman is
a Hall of Famer. Hey, Chris asked me if you
think if I think Julian Edelman is a Hall of Famer,
I know what you're gonna say. But is Julian Edelman
a Hall of Famer? No way, no, how, come on, Chris,
this is the prisoner of the moment coming off the
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MVP of the Super Bowl, Like, get all of that.
Stop it stop with the Hall of Fame over. And
I know he's playing a lot of playoff games and
he has some numbers. I got all that that's the
second most receptions or something like that. And this is
the other thing that's so weird too, and I know
is the way people look at he had a four
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game suspension for PD use right, Well, you know, in
the NFL doesn't matter, but it just doesn't matter. It
doesn't matter to people, and that's what's so unusual, Chris.
But oh my god, Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds did
the worst people ever in baseball. You're right in baseball,
it absolutely yes. A Rod has been able to, you know,
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endear himself to people because he's been such a great broadcast,
and you know he humbled himself to just admit, hey,
yeah I did it. I was you know what I mean,
he's been very humble in that regard. But you're right.
I mean, it doesn't only ruin your career, it destroys
your reputation. Yes, which is totally track and field baseball everywhere. Well,
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I wouldn't even say everything in NFL. I mean, we
haven't seen a big time NBA player, you know, but
people get who was the one? Who was the one player?
There was a good player for Orlando. What was the
name he played? He played on the Orlando team when
they went to the finals. It's a forward. I don't
know what. I can't he yes, not really as thin
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as can you look that up. With Sean Lewis, I
think was busted and I think he got like fifty
games or something. He got busted. I don't remember that.
But who got who got? He do turgered? That might
be who you're thinking of. He got twenty, but I
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thought there was somebody else. I think it was going
around in there. But the bottom line, who doesn't Sean Lewis?
I was right? How many games dropped? He got ten?
So it was it was I knew it was a
couple of players in Orlando. Right. Bottom line is you're right.
In baseball, it destroys, it destroys you, and not so
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much in football. But you're right. I mean that is
something when you're talking about a guy who I don't
even think he's borderline Hall of Famer. No, but you're
talking about a guy who really doesn't have the numbers. Uh,
and then you add in the peed us. Let me
say this because a lot of people let's talk about
I'm gonna throw out a few things. One I don't
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want to hear. He was great. He's been great in
the playoffs even when he's not been great in the
regular season, as a reason he should make the Hall
of Famers. Right, Robert Ory has seven championship rings, is
one of the most clutch players in nf NBA history.
Definitely not a Hall of Famer. Right, weren't good enough? No, No,
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Andre Goodolla, as we know we've mentioned many times, was
a Finals MVP, Cornbread Maxwell the Finals MVP, and Larry
Bird's first championship teammate of Birds. Neither one of them
is Hall of Famers. It's a Hall of Famer, and
some people brought up have brought up Lynn Swann, who is,
you know, a Hall of Famer, and they've said he's
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mainly made it based on his postseason play and there's
some truth to that. But let me tell you the
difference between Lynn Swann and Julian Edelman Number one. Lin
Swan was a three time Pro bowler and a one
time All Pro. Edelman hasn't even sniffed the Pro Bowl,
let alone being an All Pro. You could rush your
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case right then and there. I mean that tells you.
That tells you something. I mean, he's never been a
You're right, he's never even been out Pro Bowls. You
could rush your case right, not a All Pro, a
Pro bowler, that's crazy. And Lynn Swann made some of
the most spectacular catches in NFL history, not just Super
Bowl history, in NFL history, some of the most acrobatic,
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dynamic catches and Super Bowls. And they were bombs, they
were fly pack there's sixty four yards forty seven yards.
Edelman has one touchdown in three Super Bowls and it
was three yards. I mean, I'm sorry, Liz want average
nineteen yards a catch in the playoffs, right, He's got
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like nine tds and sixteen playoff games. Edelman's got five
tds and eighteen playoff games. I mean, come on, taking
nothing away from him. He was very good yesterday. I'm
not gonna hoot and holler about him being MVP. You know,
it's fine. I mean, I don't think he was necessarily
better than all the other offensive players, but it's fine.
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But Hall of Fame famous, like outrageous prisoner of the moment,
Oh my god, Edelman was a MVP. There have been
players who aren't that great. Christian You notice what MVPs right,
because they had a great game or they had a
great series against the team and you get and they
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get cutting for it. But that doesn't make you a
Hall of Fame guy just based off of that. I mean,
imagine the people that you would have to put in
the Hall of Fame if you let Juliette in. I mean,
you know, it's just his regular It's like we talked
about Eli. You know, look, you and I both kind
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of feel Eli will get in. You definitely think he's
getting in and deserves it. But we've had people on
the show who said his regular seasons aren't good enough.
He's been very good. He's been better than Edelman in
the playoffs his number he won two though, I mean
that he wants both MVP and the games were dramatic.
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The both of them were dramatic. And don't forget you
want to call him luck whatever he knocked off the
eighteen and old Patriots. Seriously, Yeah, yeah, I mean that
doesn't that count for something? No, you're right. And and also, Eli,
I don't know off the top of my head, but
I bet you I'm gonna look it up. I'm sure
he's made a few Pro Bowls, oh yeah, never all
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Pro probably, but I'm sure he's made some problems. And
the idea that there was no Pro Bowls four Pro Bowls,
yeah yeah, no, come on, yeah, no Pro Bowls for Edelman.
But we're gonna put him in the Hall of Fame
too much. And look, I get it. You the team
he plays for is you know, he's blessed to be
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on the Patriots, and he is effective in that system.
But I'm telling you, if you send him anywhere else,
just like Dion Brands, just like Wells West Welker, he
would disappear. He would disappear. I'm sorry, Well, I agree
with you. I just think people get caught up in
the moment. They see what's going on. Oh yeah, wow,
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and then somebody says, well, the only guy who has
more yards in the playoffs is uh Jerry Reis. Oh
he should be in the Hall of Fame. Let's remember
a lot of you know, they've been in so many
more playoff games everybody else. And you know now they're
throwing the ball more than you know I mentioned earlier
in the show. So I mean brash off through the
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boss fourteen times in a Super Bowl, think of abeen
times in another. Yeah, they just weren't throwing as much.
They ran the football and if you needed like a
third down pass and a big spot, you might have
to pass it. But that's not the way the game
was played.
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You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brussa and Rod Harker. Tell me about Brady. Did
Brady look forty one or thirty one to you last night?
I mean, he obviously wasn't spectacular, But the notion that
he wasn't very good, that he wasn't good, that he
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just got carried to the championship, No, that's just not accurate.
And here's why. Because when push came to shove and
it was the fourth quarter, it was clutch time. What
did he do? Nine minutes left, Dame is tied three three,
As he always does, as he always has done, better
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than any other quarterback in the history of the game,
he led a game winning drive. It was his sixth
game winning drive in the six Super Bowls he's been in.
No other quarterback has more than two. It was his
thirteenth game winning drive in the playoffs. No other quarterback
has more than six. So what does he do? Yeah,
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he struggled all night, but again when it was nut
crunching time, he goes and hits four for four all right,
eighteen yards to Gronk, thirteen yards to Edelman, seven yards
to rex birkehead twenty nine yards to Gronk, which could
have easily been a touchdown. It was right there at
the goal line. Four for four, sixty seven yards. That's
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all he had to do, all right, he delivered. Let
me stop. That's it, Let me stop. You hold on.
When he threw for five hundred and five what two
last year? You don't give him any credit for that,
even though he was spectacular individually, and now that he
had a good game but not a terrific game, we
don't want to give him credit in the win come out.
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But then why didn't he win the MVP? Chrish, you
just made the care who won because I'm asking you
why didn't he win the MVP? If he was clutching
the fourth quarter? Why did he win? Because he had
a bad game, just really a bad game. He had
a bad reception and he didn't do that you didn't
know what to watch. I know you don't know what
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you're watching. So you're telling the game winning drives? Why
didn't Who cares? Isn't a team game or not? No,
but they had to give it to somebody. They gave
it to a receiver didn't even have a touchdown. If
Tom Brady was all last, why didn't they give it
to him? Chris, that's the trophy? Nobody cares? And answer
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the question, Thembardi Trophy. Answer me the question. Just answer
me that question. They were looking for an MVP. You
just broke down how spectacular he was and he led
to the game winning drive. But all the football writers
in Atlanta looked and said, let's see, let's give it
to a receiver who didn't even You just said groc
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made the two biggest catches and he didn't even have
a touchdown. Let's give it. What is your point? I've
let you continue with this nonsense long enough. It ain't.
I guess everybody who didn't get the MVP had a
bad game. No, Tony Michelle had a bad game. Rober
Growski had a bad game. Anybody on the defense had
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a bad Come on, man, bring me some real logic,
That is logic. This is bogus, This is Brady. No,
my face, bogus garbage. No, I'm asking you who was
the MVP. I'm asking you. You just made the said
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everybody who want you maybe had a bad game. You
made the k Brady, was you made the key? You said,
look at the driving head. He went four for four
and he threw it to the air and threw it
to the air, and he had the game when he drives,
and that's number six and that's number six offs. If
that was the game when he drive and Tom Brady
was so tack in the clutch, he wouldn't won the VP, MVP.
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He wouldn't even he wouldn't even consented for the MVP.
He had a bad game, admitted he looked like a
forty one year old He knowed forty one year old
quarterback who was carried along by his defense the same
way Peyton Manning won his second supermow. But he wasn't Peyton.
That's it was. Manny had no touchdowns, one interception and
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one yards. Let me hear you with some facts now,
he bad garbage, all right? Tom Brady through for two
hundred and sixty two yards. Tom Brady led the game
winning drive. Tom Brady had a passer rating of seventy one.
You you want to keep bringing up one, Yeah, you
want to keep bringing up Peyton Peyton Man. I ain't
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say it was MVP Peyton Man. He had one hundred
forty one yards and a passer rating of fifty six
and two fumbles and an interception in twenty fifteen. So
was Joe Namath bad in nineteen sixty nine when he
won the Super Bowl but threw no touchdown? Joe in
(05:28):
six yards? Joe name was? What was? Was John Elway bad?
Hen't won the Super Bowl and went twelve for twenty
two with one hundred and twenty three yards an interception
in a fifty two passer rating. But was Terry Brashaw
different than seventy five when he threw for ninety six
yards or in seventy six when he threw for two
(05:49):
hundred nine but was nine for nineteen. Stop it. It's
a team sport. If you lead your team to the
titan not he's taking it away from the wind. There
you are. I'm just telling you away from time. I
not care who was there telling you that you made
the case that he was so great in the fourth
(06:10):
quarter and clutch But but they didn't give them the MVP.
How could he be clutched? How could he be clutching?
They didn't even they looked at his numbers. I don't
he didn't for yourself. And stop letting the other writers
think for you. They don't think for me. I agree
on a barely they that's your argument. If the other
writers for yourself, be a man. Here we go down
(06:33):
for yourself. Don't give me what the other writers did.
They did the right They did the right thing, because okay,
tell me about the drive. Then the driver was fine.
It was fine, but I mean he wasn't good in
that drive. No, but he wasn't like what you made
it out to be like. There was some clutches. He
score sixty seven yards a perfectly grant score was three
(06:54):
for three to three. It wasn't like bright like they
came back the Atlanta when he came back three quarters.
I said, when push came to shove, he delivered. That's
all I'm saying. You didn't give him credit for that.
I never said once he should have been MVP. I said,
the defense, all right, but why did they give it
to Edlman just just answer, have no idea, just like
(07:14):
they shouldn't have given it Andre Goudalari with the Warriors
in twenty fifteen, nor he deserved that. I'm not gonna
let them determine what I saw. And I believe as
an expert myself. You an expert, You letting know what
what what you think? Oh? They were right on the money.
There should have been it should have been No, it
(07:35):
shouldn't have been Brady, is what I'm saying. What should
it have been? Elment? That's all I'm just saying. They
looked at that drive and they're all like made. They
were wrong. They were wrong, period, But they weren't wrong
about giving it to Brady. They were wrong. That should argument.
They were right about not giving it to fans. Let's
(07:56):
see what the listeners thing. Man. If I didn't by you,
I'm sure the listeners will. You didn't bury me or
your kidding. I'm still breathing. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Odd Couple with Chris Brussar and Rob
Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern four pm Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app. Jared Golf
(08:18):
to Me was to blame. There was an open man
in the in the in the end zone. He threw
it too late. There were just a couple and then
you know the interception. I just I looked at it
and I said, he's the guy that we saw his
rookie year when he was awful. And uh. And I
know he's had big numbers and put up, but that
was a time where he just needed to make a
(08:39):
play or two, not a thousand plays. It was a
three three game, Chris. He just needed to make a
play or two. That's all he needed to make. Well,
let me say this first about McVeagh. People that are
jumping on McVeagh and saying he's not what we thought
he was, and we've jumped to conclusion. Now, granted, I
think people have over stayed his greatness already. Hasn't yet
(09:01):
won a Super Bowl, you know. Now he's got a
coaching tree. I think it's too soon for that. So
I get all that, but look, the dude is thirty
three years old. He's in what his third year coach
or second year, second year coach, and he was up
against the greatest coach I believe. And even though you
might not think he's the goat. He's certainly you know,
(09:22):
he's up there. He's an all time great coach. He
just out coached Andy Reid. He coached circles around him,
Anthony Lynn, same thing. I'm not This doesn't change anything
as far as my feelings about Sean mcvayh you know,
I'm not gonna His defense was great. His defense solved
the Patriots for the most part. So I'm not gonna
(09:43):
kill Sean McVay. But I don't think golf is alone
in sharing the lion's share of the blame for this game.
I gotta put some of it on ty Gurley. And
like I said to Rod Woods, and look, we can
all say he's injured, and maybe he is. I don't know.
But what I do know is Girly himself said he's
not injured. Sean McVay said he's not injured. His teammates
(10:06):
have said he's not injured. And Rob, you know, in
this day and age of just about everything leaking, there
have been no leaks, no one, no anonymous source that
it said. You know, tyd really is banged up. He's
not the same And like you said a few weeks ago,
he looked great against Dallas game. But then you know
(10:28):
C J. Anderson didn't have No, he didn't have a
great But c J. Anderson is c J. Anderson, right,
Todd Gurley, and I'm look, I like the way Tyd
carries himself. But if I'm a hundred percent, you better
believe that, I'm like, yo, I need to get the ball.
(10:50):
Like when Ezekiel Elliot was at Ohio State member, they
didn't give him the ball in a big game. He
talked about it. If I'm arguably the best running back
in the league and I'm getting bitched for some dude
who was out of the league a few weeks ago,
you think I'm just gonna sit there and and not
say anything. So I don't know if he's hurt or what.
(11:13):
But Todd Gurley, I mean, I'm just taking him at
his word and everybody else in the organization at their word.
What in the world happened? And and look, we can
go back to the game the NFC Championship game. He
dropped two passes two passes early and then he disappeared.
(11:34):
He was bitched for a lot of that game after that.
So I don't know. Look, maybe we'll find out something
coming up. But this was huge. I mean he we
all have said all year long, Girly is the key
to that offense. And for that key to just all
of a sudden disappear, I'm sorry, it's it's a problem.
(11:54):
And so i gotta put it on Girly and Golf. Yeah,
I mean pick one. You're gonna tell You're gonna say
it's Girly and I'll say, no, I'm gonna pick I mean,
you can't. They're both have been great in this these
last two years of a resurgence for the RAM But
they went from averaging almost thirty three points to three Chris.
(12:14):
The last team to score three points in the Super
Bowl and lose, uh goes back to the Dolphins in
nineteen seventy one. That's how inept they were. Think about
that nineteen seventy one. And that's why we're supposed to
be the offense that's gonna They're one of the top
(12:36):
ten offenses in the history of the NFL, not just
this season, they're top ten offense in the history of
the league. Well, it says a lot about Bill Belichick.
We know he's a defensive, you know, minded coach, and
that's where he cut his teeth. Um think about this.
They scored that Rams team scored fifty four points on
(12:57):
Kansas City and he tell him the three. That's what
I'm trying to say. It's ridiculous. Three. And now to
look at where they are now and what happened, and uh,
I don't know. I just I don't think Jared was
was there. I just I get you one, I get you.
I mean, I think, look, I hope this is way off.
(13:21):
But like I said to Rod Woodson, they gave him
four years, sixty million, and Rod, we've seen running backs,
whether it's due to injury, overuse, whatever, they can change
quickly for running back. That's why the hope, that's why
Girly no, I mean for him on an individual great.
I'm just saying that's why, because you're right, it can change,
(13:43):
you know what I mean, Chris, Well, that's what the
players should fight for in the next CBA, Like instead
of these running backs having to wait till they can
really get paid because most of them, a lot of
their best years are early and then they don't get
paid and then they falled off by the time they're
up a contract and you know, they don't get the money.
So hopefully we'll see the old Tie Gurley next season.
(14:06):
But I don't know, man, this was baffling. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Odd Couple with Chris
Broussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern four
pm Pacific. We've been talking a little bit about Julian Edelman,
yes as the MVP, whether or not he should have
been MVP. We've really kind of covered that. We both
(14:30):
agree no, yeah, it really was really was no offensive MVP.
Go ahead, and that's no dish to him and the
numbers he put up and yes he was making catches.
Excuse me, had one hundred and forty one yards. I
get all that. I just think to be an MVP,
it's gotta be a little more than that to me.
I just in a game that was a defensive struggle
(14:51):
that just seemed like to be a stretch, because see,
my only thing is, if you're gonna give it to
a wide receiver who doesn't have a touchdown, then then
why would you take it from Brady? Then? I'm just seriously,
it doesn't it doesn't make any sense if he leaves
you down to the game winning drive. And it's not
like Edelman had three touchdowns or something in one hundred
and fifty yards, then there's no argument, right, So I
(15:13):
totally get it. Edelman wanted he got the pass by
who he didn't throw the ball to himself. I just
do you see what I'm saying. That's what That's why
I thought, if you were gonna give it to Edelman,
and again he was, you know, he was good for
what he does, but every pass he caught was from
Brady and none of them were spectacular. If you want
to go to the most spectacular, it was necessarily spectacular.
(15:36):
But yeah, the bat the most important passes of the game,
the two biggest one. Let's put it that way. We're grunk.
But it just wasn't enough, you know what I mean,
like for him yards wise, So exactly exactly, and I've
mentioned Sony Michelle, but I think bottom line is it
should have been either the entire defense or a defensive player.
(15:57):
Maybe it's to find Gilmore or somebody like that. Gilmour
may plays, but people ribe, here's the thing, and I
think we'll agree on this too, but people are going
beyond Julian Edelman is the MVP. Now there is a discussion,
a robust discussion, a lot of writers and experts are
(16:19):
putting it out there that they think Julian Edelman is
a Hall of Famer. Hey, Chris asked me if you
think if I think Julian Edelman is a Hall of Famer,
I know what you're gonna say. But is Julian Edelman
a Hall of Famer? No way, no, how, come on, Chris,
this is the prisoner of the moment coming off the
(16:41):
MVP of the Super Bowl, Like, get all of that.
Stop it stop with the Hall of Fame over. And
I know he's playing a lot of playoff games and
he has some numbers. I got all that that's the
second most receptions or something like that. And this is
the other thing that's so weird too, and I know
is the way people look at he had a four
(17:05):
game suspension for PD use right, Well, you know, in
the NFL doesn't matter, but it just doesn't matter. It
doesn't matter to people, and that's what's so unusual, Chris.
But oh my god, Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds did
the worst people ever in baseball. You're right in baseball,
it absolutely yes. A Rod has been able to, you know,
(17:29):
endear himself to people because he's been such a great broadcast,
and you know he humbled himself to just admit, hey,
yeah I did it. I was you know what I mean,
he's been very humble in that regard. But you're right.
I mean, it doesn't only ruin your career, it destroys
your reputation. Yes, which is totally track and field baseball everywhere. Well,
(17:54):
I wouldn't even say everything in NFL. I mean, we
haven't seen a big time NBA player, you know, but
people get who was the one? Who was the one player?
There was a good player for Orlando. What was the
name he played? He played on the Orlando team when
they went to the finals. It's a forward. I don't
know what. I can't he yes, not really as thin
(18:16):
as can you look that up. With Sean Lewis, I
think was busted and I think he got like fifty
games or something. He got busted. I don't remember that.
But who got who got? He do turgered? That might
be who you're thinking of. He got twenty, but I
(18:36):
thought there was somebody else. I think it was going
around in there. But the bottom line, who doesn't Sean Lewis?
I was right? How many games dropped? He got ten?
So it was it was I knew it was a
couple of players in Orlando. Right. Bottom line is you're right.
In baseball, it destroys, it destroys you, and not so
(18:57):
much in football. But you're right. I mean that is
something when you're talking about a guy who I don't
even think he's borderline Hall of Famer. No, but you're
talking about a guy who really doesn't have the numbers. Uh,
and then you add in the peed us. Let me
say this because a lot of people let's talk about
I'm gonna throw out a few things. One I don't
(19:17):
want to hear. He was great. He's been great in
the playoffs even when he's not been great in the
regular season, as a reason he should make the Hall
of Famers. Right, Robert Ory has seven championship rings, is
one of the most clutch players in nf NBA history.
Definitely not a Hall of Famer. Right, weren't good enough? No, No,
(19:39):
Andre Goodolla, as we know we've mentioned many times, was
a Finals MVP, Cornbread Maxwell the Finals MVP, and Larry
Bird's first championship teammate of Birds. Neither one of them
is Hall of Famers. It's a Hall of Famer, and
some people brought up have brought up Lynn Swann, who is,
you know, a Hall of Famer, and they've said he's
(20:01):
mainly made it based on his postseason play and there's
some truth to that. But let me tell you the
difference between Lynn Swann and Julian Edelman Number one. Lin
Swan was a three time Pro bowler and a one
time All Pro. Edelman hasn't even sniffed the Pro Bowl,
let alone being an All Pro. You could rush your
(20:21):
case right then and there. I mean that tells you.
That tells you something. I mean, he's never been a
You're right, he's never even been out Pro Bowls. You
could rush your case right, not a All Pro, a
Pro bowler, that's crazy. And Lynn Swann made some of
the most spectacular catches in NFL history, not just Super
Bowl history, in NFL history, some of the most acrobatic,
(20:45):
dynamic catches and Super Bowls. And they were bombs, they
were fly pack there's sixty four yards forty seven yards.
Edelman has one touchdown in three Super Bowls and it
was three yards. I mean, I'm sorry, Liz want average
nineteen yards a catch in the playoffs, right, He's got
(21:06):
like nine tds and sixteen playoff games. Edelman's got five
tds and eighteen playoff games. I mean, come on, taking
nothing away from him. He was very good yesterday. I'm
not gonna hoot and holler about him being MVP. You know,
it's fine. I mean, I don't think he was necessarily
better than all the other offensive players, but it's fine.
(21:26):
But Hall of Fame famous, like outrageous prisoner of the moment,
Oh my god, Edelman was a MVP. There have been
players who aren't that great. Christian You notice what MVPs right,
because they had a great game or they had a
great series against the team and you get and they
(21:47):
get cutting for it. But that doesn't make you a
Hall of Fame guy just based off of that. I mean,
imagine the people that you would have to put in
the Hall of Fame if you let Juliette in. I mean,
you know, it's just his regular It's like we talked
about Eli. You know, look, you and I both kind
(22:09):
of feel Eli will get in. You definitely think he's
getting in and deserves it. But we've had people on
the show who said his regular seasons aren't good enough.
He's been very good. He's been better than Edelman in
the playoffs his number he won two though, I mean
that he wants both MVP and the games were dramatic.
(22:31):
The both of them were dramatic. And don't forget you
want to call him luck whatever he knocked off the
eighteen and old Patriots. Seriously, Yeah, yeah, I mean that
doesn't that count for something? No, you're right. And and also, Eli,
I don't know off the top of my head, but
I bet you I'm gonna look it up. I'm sure
he's made a few Pro Bowls, oh yeah, never all
(22:53):
Pro probably, but I'm sure he's made some problems. And
the idea that there was no Pro Bowls four Pro Bowls,
yeah yeah, no, come on, yeah, no Pro Bowls for Edelman.
But we're gonna put him in the Hall of Fame
too much. And look, I get it. You the team
he plays for is you know, he's blessed to be
(23:14):
on the Patriots, and he is effective in that system.
But I'm telling you, if you send him anywhere else,
just like Dion Brands, just like Wells West Welker, he
would disappear. He would disappear. I'm sorry, Well, I agree
with you. I just think people get caught up in
the moment. They see what's going on. Oh yeah, wow,
(23:34):
and then somebody says, well, the only guy who has
more yards in the playoffs is uh Jerry Reis. Oh
he should be in the Hall of Fame. Let's remember
a lot of you know, they've been in so many
more playoff games everybody else. And you know now they're
throwing the ball more than you know I mentioned earlier
in the show. So I mean brash off through the
(23:56):
boss fourteen times in a Super Bowl, think of abeen
times in another. Yeah, they just weren't throwing as much.
They ran the football and if you needed like a
third down pass and a big spot, you might have
to pass it. But that's not the way the game
was played.
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