June 15, 2024 • 34 mins
Chris and Rob debate whether Dan Hurley will wind up regretting passing up on his chance to coach the Los Angeles Lakers, argue over whether Aaron Rodgers skipping mandatory minicamp with the New York Jets makes him look like a hypocrite and debate whether the Jacksonville Jaguars made a mistake by making Trevor Lawrence the largest contract in NFL history.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
The news of the day. And no, it is not
the Mavericks loss. They go down now two to the Celtics.
We will certainly get to that, but it is I
guess the self, the Lakers loss that. Dan Hurley, the
two time NCAA championship coach going for three straight at
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Yukon this upcoming season, has turned down the Lakers offer
Rod to be their head coach, reportedly a six year,
seven d million dollar offer. He turned it down would
have made him like a top six coach, highest paid
coach in the NBA, maybe the fifth highest paid in
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the league. And Rob, what are your thoughts on Hurley
turning down the Lakers?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Chris Broussard, Dan Hurley is much sugar Naw. Dan Hurley
is crazy. Dan Hurley will regret this going forward.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
What are you thinking? Hello?
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Is this on?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Really?
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Dan Hurley?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
The guy nobody knows. They know your brother Bobby Hurley
better than you. I know you won two national championship
back to bag. You're won a three pete in this
college basketball down trodden college basketball, b grade college basketball.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
This is what you want?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
You want.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
You didn't want to the whole Anchelada in Los Angeles.
You'd rather stay in stores Connecticut, the armpit of Connecticut,
and instead you want to be small potatoes with no ketchup.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
That's what you want.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Wow, Come on, man, here's a golden opportunity. Stand up
and be bigger. Don't worry about what other people did.
This was your chance. How about if he got Lebron
another championship. How if he took a D and the
Lakers forward like nobody else had, show us what you
got as a coach. You took the easy way out.
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Let me stay here where nobody knows me. Nobody knows Dan,
Dan Harley, hur Hurly, Dan, there you go.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You know nobody except for people at college basketball. I
just got told DoD Nobody in college basketball, except the.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Real people who are into it.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Please you know, when everybody found out who he was,
when his name became attached to the Lakers, and what
could be and the chance and my home point is
there comes a time when you want to try something different,
step out of your comfort zone, make a real name
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for yourself. There's only been one coach in the history
you want to talk about trying to do something different,
which is winning a championship in the NBA and in college.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Only one guy's done it, Larry Brown.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
If this was Charlotte, if this was some other downtroden organization, Chris,
I get that. I'm not going to Charlotte to go
get beat up for three years and then run out
of town.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Okay, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
This is the Los Angeles Lakers, this is the Yankees.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
This is the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
You don't pass up opportunities to work for franchises like that,
with the history and the lore that goes with it.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
This is a mistake.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
This is a mistake, and Dan Hurley will regret this
going forward when he doesn't win his third national championship
and college basketball with the NIL and the way things
change will continue to drop down you're staying at college
basketball where they couldn't even beat the women in the
NCAA TV waitings. Nobody even watches college basketball, Chris during
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the year, nobody they watched the tournament. Very nice, nobody
watches college basketball. You're passing up the NBA and the
being Los Angeles with all of the big time movers
and shakers and all the stuff that goes on.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I don't understand how that could happen.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Wow. Well, look, there is an argument.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
That you just made, and there are other reasons to
agree with what you said. Right, you get a chance
to coach Lebron James, arguably the best player to ever
play the game, And yeah, it would have been challenging
obviously Lebron. You know, when you coach him, they're all
types of expectations. But also he's still a great player.
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He's still a top fifteen to ten player in the league.
And of course you got Anthony Davis and some other
young players around him, and Rob, as you said, win
you his next offer, because he has said he wants
to coach in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
His next offer might be.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
From CHARLOTTEEP or some other struggling team, Washington or you know,
some franchisee.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Chris, you know that right now.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
He Look, it's possible he could get offered a better job,
but there's a chance that it'll be one of those
weak jobs because they're in a bad shape and need
somebody to come in. He said about a week ago
on the Mike Francis's podcast, Rob This Mike You never miss.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
That Mike Francesa podcast.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Well, here's what he says. I do aspire one day.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
This is Dan Hurley if the right NBA situation were
to come along to really test myself where an organization
wants a tone setter to come in and instill a culture.
Here's the key with young players and an organization that
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wants to pursue championships. So it sounds like Rob he
you know, and we've talked about this was kind of
a two pronged job.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Offer one coach Lebron and.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Ad for the next few years, and then once they're gone,
it's like, okay, now build a program that's challenging. But
that seemed to be what it was like, and that
seems to be what you know, he's attracted to, Like,
let me build a young pro and setting in my
image and then get this thing going.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
I think, look, he did what he wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I remember Rob, I told you when the offer came out,
the news that it broke, that it came out or
not the offer, but that they were talking to him.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
I said.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
There was a theory going around and some of the
people I talked in the league it was pure speculation,
I was told. But they thought maybe this was hurly
or they thought more than maybe that they didn't see
him in la and they felt like this was to
get you Khan to pay him more money.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
And the second part for them.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Was JJ Reddick may be asking for too much, and
they want to let him know, Look, you're not even
our first choice, so you come here for less money.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
That's a whole nother store issue.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
But it Rob, it just seems like he didn't want
to go to La as wife's from these because remember
Kentucky offered him eleven million, and so that's about what
the Lakers offered him, six years, seventy million. I think
the Lakers should have offered him more, I said last week.
Rob should have been between fourteen and fifteen million a
year enough of a contract, seven years, one hundred million,
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something like that, where he knows he's got the security
to run the team and the program the way he
wants to. He's not gonna be at any player's whim.
He will have the security. They'll have to back him
because he's got so many years and so much money.
So we were the reports, Robert that it was a
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long term, oh lucrative over like the Lakers were preparing
the granddaddy of all offers, and yet they didn't even
offer him as much as mine Williams got from Detroit.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Well that was a ridiculous, cause.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, so I think they should have offered him more money,
not more than Steve Kerr's making seventeen and a half money,
not more than Greg Popovitch's making sixteen, but fourteen fifteen million.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
In that range.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
He is a two time champion at the NCAA level.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
And I thought that would have got it done.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
The fact that I'm baffled that they thought that this
offer would get him, and so obviously they didn't. Their
their theories. Also, my partner Nick right on first things.
First things, they really didn't want him. They just want
the name out there and look, you know, make it
look like they were going for the big fish or whatever.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
But I don't know, Robert. It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I don't day offered them seventy million dollars to say
that they didn't want them seventy million dollars for a
god that most people don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Well, I don't know why you keep saying most people
don't know the most people know. I'm talking about the
general public that doesn't really, But that isn't everybody's goal.
What I'm it's known in basketball. I was one of
the top basketball families in the country.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, I'm just saying I don't. I don't think that
that's the case. I just don't. I think he doesn't
want the he doesn't want the smoke. He doesn't want
the real opportunity to do something. You could go back
to Connecticut. That's comfortable, that's all, And it might work
out with Nil. It might not work out. He may
never win again, but he might be here. You got
to which is the.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Top program recruiting class coming back in. I mean, I
get it in college basketball even quite what it used
to be. But he's still I mean, he's the king
of college basketball right now. And he'll get other offers
they now you say it might not be as good
as the Lakers, but I also think they should have
offered more money.
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Speaker 1 (11:48):
All right, Rob, you alluded to it in the Big
News of the day Air Rodgers. This is the start
of mini Kim that these are mandatory. This is not
a voluntary and all that which the voluntary stuff. Rob,
it seems like what they do is a make it voluntary,
tell the play so the players you don't have to come,
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and then when players aren't there they can somebody leaks
and complaints to the media and it becomes to be, oh,
he's not at the voluntary you know the voluntary workers.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
No, they're voluntary. He shouldn't be there if he doesn't
want to be so, but.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
These today for the Jets mandatory, and Aaron Rodgers it
was not there. Here's coach Robert Salah talking about it.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Rob.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
Aaron and I spoke before Otia started. He's been very
good in communication. He's been here the entire time. It's
an excuse, but he had an event that was very
important to him, which he communicated.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Rob. I have tried to.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Believe in Aaron Rodger and with the Jets, and I
do think he is committed to trying to have a
great run with the Jets. But I'm sorry, and I
guess I'm gonna be one of the people you are
trashing because for Aaron Rodgers not to show up today
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for an unexcused absence at the first mandatory workout of
the season is selfish and hypocritical because it's inexcused. If
it were a family matter, it'd be excused. If it
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were a health issue, it be excused. And Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Rob was the person that sat got.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
On his soapbox a few months ago and talked about
how the Jets we gotta get rid of the distractions.
It's gotta be all about football, nothing else. And yet
on the first day of mandatory workouts, you're not there.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
For an inexcused absence.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I get Hassan Reddick, you gotta contract this year. That's fine,
you're holding out or whatever. But Aaron Rodgers put whatever
it is he's doing ahead of football, and I think
it's a bad look.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I think it sets a bad tone for the season. Now,
I'm not saying it's insurmountable. I'm just saying the first
day when you said we done with the distractions, Fellas,
it's all football.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
And you're not there. You're the leader, I think it's
that's a bad tone. It looks insubordinate.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
So it chips away at probably the already struggling authority
of your head coach, Robert Salah. He has to go
out there and tap dance around the issue and and
actually say we didn't hear.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
It on ours, but I saw the press conference, Rob.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
He said selfishly, selfishly, I wont everybody there, Robert.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
It's not selfish.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
It's mandat Tory.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Rob, I'm not being selfish when I expect you to
be here today, when I expect it robs you to
be here, it's Manda Tory. It's the show. Rogers is
the one being selfish.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Again.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I'm not saying it's an insurmountable thing. I think you'll
be committed when he's there. But this is a bad look.
And like I said, it's hypocritical when you told everybody,
I guess that was meant for everybody else. Everybody else
needs to get rid of distractions. But I've got something
I need to do. And I think Rob the Jets
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would have probably, I mean, it should have probably made it.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Excused because it would have looked better. But maybe it
was so.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Frivolous, for lack of a better word, that they couldn't
justify making it inexcuse. So I just think after all
this talk, it just looks bad for Aaron Rodgers first
day not to show up for an inexcused absence.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
It just doesn't move me either way. I mean, I'm
glad you're worked up. That sounds good for.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
The rap losing no sleep, and I'm quiet, I know that,
But I'm saying you got a little passionate about it.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
It just doesn't move me. I mean, I thought he
was crazy when he was trying to get back out on.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
The field and he was walking around during the season
when he should have easily said, let me let me
get out of here, let me get healthy. He stuck around,
he did all that. I'm just not that big. I've
seen it happen a lot. Tom Brady missed OTAs later
in his career. A lot of people do it mandatory
or violence. Yeah, he's missed mandatory OTAs. I just it's
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veteran people. Chris, Sure, you want everybody there, but I
just don't. I just don't look at it. To me,
it's about the regular season. If he plays poorly, then
if you want to go back to that, then fine
that there were years when he won the last two
to two MVPs. He didn't go to some of the
OTAs too. Then during that time he won MVPs.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
You can go back. If a guy doesn't play well,
you could point to it and.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Say, hey, you know, maybe if he would have went
to OTA's he would have been better.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I just don't know what the if you could show
me a scoreboard and say, when you don't go to
OTA's for any reason, you're gonna have a bad season.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
If he has a bad season, he'll be ripped. If
he has a great season, nobody will ever even think
about it or or remember it. So in the moment, yes,
you're right.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
At the moment, it looks bad not to be there,
But I think it's his. When you talk about Aaron Rodgers,
it's about results. If he's terrible this year, Christen, you
can make that argument. If he's great and a Jets
win their first five or six games and they're off
to something special, then we'll go back and we won't
even address it or think about it.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
It's one of those things.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
But I think, go ahead. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I just think it's I think it's the here and now,
the immediate response.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Okay, I got it. He should be there.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
He's not there, But I don't think it's as big
of a deal as a maybe some people might want
to make it.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I don't think him having a good year individually hinges
on today's practice or tomorrow's practice for that matter. I
totally agree with that. Like, well, I don't know if
that you weren't actually saying that, But I don't think
this is gonna.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Make or break Roger By.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
That's what I'm saying, right, Like, if he plays poorly,
it's not gonna be because he missed today's practice, right,
He's just gonna be. He's forty years old, he's no
longer has it whatever, And if he's great, he's gonna
be great regardless of today. My point, Rob, I'm more
concerned about the team. I'm more concerned about the what
it's saying as to his teammates, not him, He'll be fine.
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I'm talking about the teammates who maybe saying Rob didn't
there and say put the distractions aside.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Didn't Aaron say we're all in to win the Super
Bowl and he's not here.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
It's only two days, Rob, but you couldn't be here
for these two days. It just looks It's not about
the football for me from his perspective, because he's gonna
be fine. It's about the tone that sets with the
other guys. They all doing something. They all had stuff,
better stuff probably to do, but they showed up, and
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I you know, so I just think it screams hypocrisy,
and that is you know, that's what the critics of
Aaron Rodgers one of the things they point out, and I'm.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Like, dude, just show up.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
So I think that's the bad look. I'm not saying
it's the worst thing in the world, but I don't
like the tone that it sets, that's all I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I think those same teammates will remember how quickly he
tried to rehab last year, and he wanted to get
on the field and he's walking and throwing the football
and he's in Wilson's ear on the sidelines. And he
didn't just say I'm hurt this year and disappear and
not show up or be around. He could have just
said I'm gonna rehab on my own, I'm gonna disappear,
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I'm not coming around.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
He was around all year. That was admirable.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I think his teammates saw that that he was really
trying that if there was some sort of playoff scenario,
which it wasn't gonna happen, Chris, with the way that
the team went that he was trying to make, I
think that you earned some points in that standpoint.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
So I just look at it, and there's two sides.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
One side you saw last year when he got hurt
that he was willing to be around and help his
teammates and talk to him and all that. And in
this case, I don't know what the scenario is, Chris,
about what is so important?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I just don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
And maybe there has to be a reason that you
couldn't move today, that.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
There's something, Well, it was an excuse because I would
think Rober if it's something, I mean, think of us
our job, if it's something legitimate, it'll be excused. I
just and look, I don't I have no idea what
it is. It hasn't been reported.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
A thought that comes to mind is he's speaking at
some event. You know, he's obviously in the politics or
other things.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
So who knows. But we will find out and we
will see.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
But I don't think besides family health things like that,
at this point, football should be number one, and that's.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
He's has said that.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
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Speaker 1 (22:01):
Breaking News Today, Just a couple hours ago, or within
the last few hours, the Brever Lawrence Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback
signs a five year, two hundred and seventy five million
dollar contract extension. Two hundred million guaranteed and the fifty
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five million dollars a year Rob ties him now with
Joe Burrow of the Bengals for the top mark in
money per year.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It's just the NFL and this is we keep seeing.
It's just you have a quarterback. That turn comes up
and it's not based on stats or where.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
You fit in in the game. I mean, I think
of it. What was it? What was the guaranteed money?
Rob G?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Two hundred two hundred and when Mahomes signed, his guarantee
was sixty how Like, none of this makes any sense
to me, Chris, But this is the NFL.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
We talked about it before.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
When Matthew Stafford was with the Lions, he was the
highest paid player in the league. Hadn't even won a
playoff game to that point, so none of this really like,
it's just if you have a quarterback, franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
And Miami hadn't done it with Tua, not yet. But
you remember the Ravens foughted off with Lamar and obviously
ended up paying it. But ROBZ, you had an interesting
this is rob I don't know if rob G told
you this during the break, but this will blow you
away just the first sentence, he says. And theydn't even
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give us the numbers, but go ahead.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Rob G.
Speaker 8 (23:42):
So this status courtesy of the thirty third team. All right,
Daniel Jones has paid an extra year, so his numbers
are going to be higher. In general, but across his
first forty eight starts, Trevor Lawrence twe and four total
yards Daniel Jones eleven nine to ninety two yards per ten,
both of them. Six point seven total touchdowns Trevor Lawrence
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sixty six Daniel Jones sixty four. Total turnovers Trevor Lawrence
fifty five Daniel Jones fifty four. QB rating Trevor Lawrence
eighty five point five Daniel Jones eighty five point four.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
That's shocking, now, let me be it. Go ahead, go.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Ahead, Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't think that the numbers would
be that close. That's surprising. But you gotta admit, like
Trevor Lawrence, there was a time when they bounced back
and they won those games in a row. I can't
remember what it was. They won a playoff game and
then they were down twenty eight nothing or whatever it
was in that big playoff game. That was his moment
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in the second half. I think he had four touchdowns
or whatever it was. It was, it was you looked
at him and was like wow. And remember he was
one of those guys that they thought was a can't miss,
But the numbers haven't lived up. We talked about it
all last year that he took a step back. We
talked about it that we thought he was going to
take a step forward coming off that playoff win, right, Chris,
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that that big playoff comeback.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
It just hadn't been the case.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Look his first year, and you could say for Daniel
Jones that he hasn't been in a good situation, right,
But for his first year under urban Meyer, we know
that was just a disaster. And you know, if some
people don't want to hold that against Trevor, and I
get it, But since then he was better a second
year very you know, twenty five touchdowns, eight interceptions, rob
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I mean, that's that's fine, particularly for your second year.
But last year Russell Wilson had twenty six touchdowns and
nine interceptions, so basically the same numbers Trevor few for
more yards. But and then this year, like you said,
Robbie took a step back. They didn't make the playoffs.
Here's what I here's where I'm at on Trevor Lawrence.
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I if I were the Jaguars, I was saying this,
I've been saying it all off season. I would not
have extended him. I would not have extended him, not
that I don't want him as my quarterback. I'm just
saying I haven't quite seen enough I feel I would
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feel like he's probably my guy. He's probably my guy.
There's reason to believe he's gonna be our franchise quarterback. Obviously, Rob,
the pedigree, the resume, all of that is great. But
before I give somebody two hundred and seventy five million dollars,
I want to be sure it's kind of the same
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way I'm went to it. There's different reasons obviously to
us had the injury issues, but I'm like, look, I
want to be sure now.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Rob, I'll say this, if you know he's your guy.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Then it was smart to do it now because we
always said the price is only going.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Up, but it doesn't go down. It's not going down.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Waited a year.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Next year might be three hundred million, right, So I'm
with that. My take was this, Rob, And I've said
the same with Tua, and you know, I'll say it
with many quarterbacks that I'm not completely sure of. If
Trevor came out Rob this year and has a great
let's say I didn't pay him, I'm owning the Jags
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and he comes out and has a great year. I
will gladly pay him more. I would gladly pay him
more next offseason if I am now one hundred percent
sure in my head this is our guy. This is
our guy. And Rob they've given like this is the
year for him. They giving him Gabe Davis. Remember with
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Buffalo Brian Thomas Junior, who's a very nice receiver. They
drafted in the first round, and you already had Christian Kirk.
You got Travis Aten as a running back, like he's
got the pieces. Now this is the year to get
it done. I'm just saying I would have waited, and
I get it to cost me more money, but I
would just have more peace of mind than now.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Rob. A lot.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
We saw a lot of guys get paid after three
years and the teams regretted it. Carson wentz Kyler Murray.
Now Murray looks like he might well see if he
has a resurgence. But Murray right, and and golf obviously
is fine. But the Rams ended up feeling like he
wasn't their guy, you know, but he wound up being
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on the of getting to another super Bowl. He was right,
well then, Detroit, He's been great. But I'm just saying
they the Lions paid him early, you didn't have to
pay him after three years. That's my thing too, is
I don't have to pay it now. And I just
don't think if it's a CJ. Stroud situation where he's
shown me for two three years he's that guy.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
In fact, the sooner the better because it does keep
the price lower. Rob, But I just haven't seen quite
enough from Trevor Lawrence to make me one hundred percent sure.
I'm my feeling is, yeah, he's gonna be the guy likely,
but I just want to see a little more evidence
before I'm willing to pony up that kind of money.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
The only problem is there's so few quarterbacks. That just
aren't enough guys out there, Chris. So the guys that
you have, their stock goes through the roof because there's
so many teams, thirty two teams, and they're nine quarterbacks,
nine or ten quarterbacks, and that's the problem. So when
you have one, if you don't have one, of your
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season's over. So people are going to dive in with
these guys because they feel like they almost have who
what's our what's our alternative?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Who's al If you own the Jags would you have
paid him now or would you take my approach where
you wait?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I just think that they think because of what they saw.
And I'll be the first to say it took a
step back last.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Year, but it wasn't like it.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I mean, he wasn't awesome. His second year he was better,
much better and played well. I'm not gonna see here
and act like playing a player, and that he doesn't
have promise in all of that. And like I said,
I generally think he probably is. I mean, he clearly
is now, but I think in general it's will pay benefits,
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this will pay dividends. But I personally would have been like, man,
I want to see. I want to see because last
year he wasn't as good, and the year before he
was fine, but he wasn't, you know, lights out.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
He hasn't been what he was. I just had to
be Here's the number one I hear you.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I just I don't know how you go, how you uh,
how you work against the whole idea, Chris, that you
said you want to see. It doesn't mean that even
if you see one more year that he couldn't have
another bad year or two. I don't know how you
really work against that you gotta have to me feel
like he has what it takes to get there, or
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the guys putting in the work.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
You feel like he wants to get better.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
You've seen some flashes enough to make you say I gotta,
I gotta get in bed with somebody.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I just don't think we've seen that much.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, I'm just saying I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
That that that playoff comeback, he put him in the
hole with four first half interceptions.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I know, but they wanted they came back, come back.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
But that's one you know, like like I just want
to see more and and I I don't worry about
like if I see enough generally the quarter quarterbacks who
are really good, you know you're not equally good every year.
But I don't get your logic of well, if you
play well next year, that don't mean he's not gonna
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play He's gonna play well.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
I don't get that. I don't I don't understand that.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I don't understand like you keep saying you will okay,
So he plays okay next year or plays better then.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
A five year contract in two franchise tags. I don't
have to pay you. Now, show me something.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
At some point, though, people aren't going to wait all
the way to franchise tags because they want to have
the guy on board. They want to know that he's
had some stability, that you believe in him. There's a
lot of stuff like that that goes in.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I want to wait till the Washington And they did
that to Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
It didn't work out. Kirk Cousins left. He didn't wait anything,
but it didn't work out for Washington. So they did that.
They didn't buy into him, and they kept waiting and waiting,
and what did they have. They still got a million
guys looking for still looking for a quarterback. So so
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Saying I want to wait that long. I'm just saying
I don't have to be in a rush. Ideally, I
would like.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
To sign a guy before the franchise tag.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Ideally I would like to sign him after this upcoming
season because he.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Plays really well.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
He just hasn't shown me consistently or even a lot,
even a lot of inconsistent times that he's gonna be
this star.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
So plain to me, what are they seeing? Why do
you think they signed a people see?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I mean, I don't know, rob people disagree I mean,
they obviously like him, and that's fine because I think
he probably is the guy. I'm just saying, if I
ran the team, I would want to see more evidence,
more consistent play of greatness coming around the corner.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Than I have so far. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
And I know it would it might cost me, but
I would be willing to pay that if I was
more certain that he's my guy.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yep, so and now and now it'll be interesting because
the price of quarterback just went up. So if I'm
Jordan Love, I'm just going down to the Rolls Royce
place looking around. If I'm Tua and who else didn't
get paid yet and Dak, I mean, are you kidding?
I mean they got to look around being like oh yeah,
oh yeah, this sounds great.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yes, it's gonna be interesting to see, do they They know.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Yeah, I don't know that they'll get more than Trevor.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
You know, you look at this pedigree Rob, but they
Jordan was better last year, you know, obviously over the
second half of the season than Trevor's ever been for
a stretch to a Rob did have a better season
last year than Trevor's ever had. So there you go,
and you know the agents are gonna have the numbers
and put that out.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
That's what they do about that, right,
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
The news of the day. And no, it is not
the Mavericks loss. They go down now two to the Celtics.
We will certainly get to that, but it is I
guess the self, the Lakers loss that. Dan Hurley, the
two time NCAA championship coach going for three straight at
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Yukon this upcoming season, has turned down the Lakers offer
Rod to be their head coach, reportedly a six year,
seven d million dollar offer. He turned it down would
have made him like a top six coach, highest paid
coach in the NBA, maybe the fifth highest paid in
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the league. And Rob, what are your thoughts on Hurley
turning down the Lakers?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Chris Broussard, Dan Hurley is much sugar Naw. Dan Hurley
is crazy. Dan Hurley will regret this going forward.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
What are you thinking? Hello?
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Is this on?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Really?
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Dan Hurley?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
The guy nobody knows. They know your brother Bobby Hurley
better than you. I know you won two national championship
back to bag. You're won a three pete in this
college basketball down trodden college basketball, b grade college basketball.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
This is what you want?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
You want.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
You didn't want to the whole Anchelada in Los Angeles.
You'd rather stay in stores Connecticut, the armpit of Connecticut,
and instead you want to be small potatoes with no ketchup.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
That's what you want.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Wow, Come on, man, here's a golden opportunity. Stand up
and be bigger. Don't worry about what other people did.
This was your chance. How about if he got Lebron
another championship. How if he took a D and the
Lakers forward like nobody else had, show us what you
got as a coach. You took the easy way out.
(02:37):
Let me stay here where nobody knows me. Nobody knows Dan,
Dan Harley, hur Hurly, Dan, there you go.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You know nobody except for people at college basketball. I
just got told DoD Nobody in college basketball, except the.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Real people who are into it.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Please you know, when everybody found out who he was,
when his name became attached to the Lakers, and what
could be and the chance and my home point is
there comes a time when you want to try something different,
step out of your comfort zone, make a real name
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for yourself. There's only been one coach in the history
you want to talk about trying to do something different,
which is winning a championship in the NBA and in college.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Only one guy's done it, Larry Brown.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
If this was Charlotte, if this was some other downtroden organization, Chris,
I get that. I'm not going to Charlotte to go
get beat up for three years and then run out
of town.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Okay, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
This is the Los Angeles Lakers, this is the Yankees.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
This is the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
You don't pass up opportunities to work for franchises like that,
with the history and the lore that goes with it.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
This is a mistake.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
This is a mistake, and Dan Hurley will regret this
going forward when he doesn't win his third national championship
and college basketball with the NIL and the way things
change will continue to drop down you're staying at college
basketball where they couldn't even beat the women in the
NCAA TV waitings. Nobody even watches college basketball, Chris during
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the year, nobody they watched the tournament. Very nice, nobody
watches college basketball. You're passing up the NBA and the
being Los Angeles with all of the big time movers
and shakers and all the stuff that goes on.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I don't understand how that could happen.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Wow. Well, look, there is an argument.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
That you just made, and there are other reasons to
agree with what you said. Right, you get a chance
to coach Lebron James, arguably the best player to ever
play the game, And yeah, it would have been challenging
obviously Lebron. You know, when you coach him, they're all
types of expectations. But also he's still a great player.
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He's still a top fifteen to ten player in the league.
And of course you got Anthony Davis and some other
young players around him, and Rob, as you said, win
you his next offer, because he has said he wants
to coach in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
His next offer might be.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
From CHARLOTTEEP or some other struggling team, Washington or you know,
some franchisee.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Chris, you know that right now.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
He Look, it's possible he could get offered a better job,
but there's a chance that it'll be one of those
weak jobs because they're in a bad shape and need
somebody to come in. He said about a week ago
on the Mike Francis's podcast, Rob This Mike You never miss.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
That Mike Francesa podcast.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Well, here's what he says. I do aspire one day.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
This is Dan Hurley if the right NBA situation were
to come along to really test myself where an organization
wants a tone setter to come in and instill a culture.
Here's the key with young players and an organization that
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wants to pursue championships. So it sounds like Rob he
you know, and we've talked about this was kind of
a two pronged job.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Offer one coach Lebron and.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Ad for the next few years, and then once they're gone,
it's like, okay, now build a program that's challenging. But
that seemed to be what it was like, and that
seems to be what you know, he's attracted to, Like,
let me build a young pro and setting in my
image and then get this thing going.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
I think, look, he did what he wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I remember Rob, I told you when the offer came out,
the news that it broke, that it came out or
not the offer, but that they were talking to him.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
I said.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
There was a theory going around and some of the
people I talked in the league it was pure speculation,
I was told. But they thought maybe this was hurly
or they thought more than maybe that they didn't see
him in la and they felt like this was to
get you Khan to pay him more money.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
And the second part for them.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Was JJ Reddick may be asking for too much, and
they want to let him know, Look, you're not even
our first choice, so you come here for less money.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
That's a whole nother store issue.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
But it Rob, it just seems like he didn't want
to go to La as wife's from these because remember
Kentucky offered him eleven million, and so that's about what
the Lakers offered him, six years, seventy million. I think
the Lakers should have offered him more, I said last week.
Rob should have been between fourteen and fifteen million a
year enough of a contract, seven years, one hundred million,
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something like that, where he knows he's got the security
to run the team and the program the way he
wants to. He's not gonna be at any player's whim.
He will have the security. They'll have to back him
because he's got so many years and so much money.
So we were the reports, Robert that it was a
(08:38):
long term, oh lucrative over like the Lakers were preparing
the granddaddy of all offers, and yet they didn't even
offer him as much as mine Williams got from Detroit.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Well that was a ridiculous, cause.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, so I think they should have offered him more money,
not more than Steve Kerr's making seventeen and a half money,
not more than Greg Popovitch's making sixteen, but fourteen fifteen million.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
In that range.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
He is a two time champion at the NCAA level.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
And I thought that would have got it done.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
The fact that I'm baffled that they thought that this
offer would get him, and so obviously they didn't. Their
their theories. Also, my partner Nick right on first things.
First things, they really didn't want him. They just want
the name out there and look, you know, make it
look like they were going for the big fish or whatever.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
But I don't know, Robert. It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I don't day offered them seventy million dollars to say
that they didn't want them seventy million dollars for a
god that most people don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Well, I don't know why you keep saying most people
don't know the most people know. I'm talking about the
general public that doesn't really, But that isn't everybody's goal.
What I'm it's known in basketball. I was one of
the top basketball families in the country.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, I'm just saying I don't. I don't think that
that's the case. I just don't. I think he doesn't
want the he doesn't want the smoke. He doesn't want
the real opportunity to do something. You could go back
to Connecticut. That's comfortable, that's all, And it might work
out with Nil. It might not work out. He may
never win again, but he might be here. You got
to which is the.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Top program recruiting class coming back in. I mean, I
get it in college basketball even quite what it used
to be. But he's still I mean, he's the king
of college basketball right now. And he'll get other offers
they now you say it might not be as good
as the Lakers, but I also think they should have
offered more money.
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Speaker 1 (11:48):
All right, Rob, you alluded to it in the Big
News of the day Air Rodgers. This is the start
of mini Kim that these are mandatory. This is not
a voluntary and all that which the voluntary stuff. Rob,
it seems like what they do is a make it voluntary,
tell the play so the players you don't have to come,
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and then when players aren't there they can somebody leaks
and complaints to the media and it becomes to be, oh,
he's not at the voluntary you know the voluntary workers.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
No, they're voluntary. He shouldn't be there if he doesn't
want to be so, but.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
These today for the Jets mandatory, and Aaron Rodgers it
was not there. Here's coach Robert Salah talking about it.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Rob.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
Aaron and I spoke before Otia started. He's been very
good in communication. He's been here the entire time. It's
an excuse, but he had an event that was very
important to him, which he communicated.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Rob. I have tried to.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Believe in Aaron Rodger and with the Jets, and I
do think he is committed to trying to have a
great run with the Jets. But I'm sorry, and I
guess I'm gonna be one of the people you are
trashing because for Aaron Rodgers not to show up today
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for an unexcused absence at the first mandatory workout of
the season is selfish and hypocritical because it's inexcused. If
it were a family matter, it'd be excused. If it
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were a health issue, it be excused. And Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Rob was the person that sat got.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
On his soapbox a few months ago and talked about
how the Jets we gotta get rid of the distractions.
It's gotta be all about football, nothing else. And yet
on the first day of mandatory workouts, you're not there.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
For an inexcused absence.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I get Hassan Reddick, you gotta contract this year. That's fine,
you're holding out or whatever. But Aaron Rodgers put whatever
it is he's doing ahead of football, and I think
it's a bad look.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I think it sets a bad tone for the season. Now,
I'm not saying it's insurmountable. I'm just saying the first
day when you said we done with the distractions, Fellas,
it's all football.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
And you're not there. You're the leader, I think it's
that's a bad tone. It looks insubordinate.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
So it chips away at probably the already struggling authority
of your head coach, Robert Salah. He has to go
out there and tap dance around the issue and and
actually say we didn't hear.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
It on ours, but I saw the press conference, Rob.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
He said selfishly, selfishly, I wont everybody there, Robert.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
It's not selfish.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
It's mandat Tory.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Rob, I'm not being selfish when I expect you to
be here today, when I expect it robs you to
be here, it's Manda Tory. It's the show. Rogers is
the one being selfish.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Again.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I'm not saying it's an insurmountable thing. I think you'll
be committed when he's there. But this is a bad look.
And like I said, it's hypocritical when you told everybody,
I guess that was meant for everybody else. Everybody else
needs to get rid of distractions. But I've got something
I need to do. And I think Rob the Jets
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would have probably, I mean, it should have probably made it.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Excused because it would have looked better. But maybe it
was so.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Frivolous, for lack of a better word, that they couldn't
justify making it inexcuse. So I just think after all
this talk, it just looks bad for Aaron Rodgers first
day not to show up for an inexcused absence.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
It just doesn't move me either way. I mean, I'm
glad you're worked up. That sounds good for.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
The rap losing no sleep, and I'm quiet, I know that,
But I'm saying you got a little passionate about it.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
It just doesn't move me. I mean, I thought he
was crazy when he was trying to get back out on.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
The field and he was walking around during the season
when he should have easily said, let me let me
get out of here, let me get healthy. He stuck around,
he did all that. I'm just not that big. I've
seen it happen a lot. Tom Brady missed OTAs later
in his career. A lot of people do it mandatory
or violence. Yeah, he's missed mandatory OTAs. I just it's
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veteran people. Chris, Sure, you want everybody there, but I
just don't. I just don't look at it. To me,
it's about the regular season. If he plays poorly, then
if you want to go back to that, then fine
that there were years when he won the last two
to two MVPs. He didn't go to some of the
OTAs too. Then during that time he won MVPs.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
You can go back. If a guy doesn't play well,
you could point to it and.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Say, hey, you know, maybe if he would have went
to OTA's he would have been better.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I just don't know what the if you could show
me a scoreboard and say, when you don't go to
OTA's for any reason, you're gonna have a bad season.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
If he has a bad season, he'll be ripped. If
he has a great season, nobody will ever even think
about it or or remember it. So in the moment, yes,
you're right.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
At the moment, it looks bad not to be there,
But I think it's his. When you talk about Aaron Rodgers,
it's about results. If he's terrible this year, Christen, you
can make that argument. If he's great and a Jets
win their first five or six games and they're off
to something special, then we'll go back and we won't
even address it or think about it.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
It's one of those things.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
But I think, go ahead. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I just think it's I think it's the here and now,
the immediate response.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Okay, I got it. He should be there.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
He's not there, But I don't think it's as big
of a deal as a maybe some people might want
to make it.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I don't think him having a good year individually hinges
on today's practice or tomorrow's practice for that matter. I
totally agree with that. Like, well, I don't know if
that you weren't actually saying that, But I don't think
this is gonna.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Make or break Roger By.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
That's what I'm saying, right, Like, if he plays poorly,
it's not gonna be because he missed today's practice, right,
He's just gonna be. He's forty years old, he's no
longer has it whatever, And if he's great, he's gonna
be great regardless of today. My point, Rob, I'm more
concerned about the team. I'm more concerned about the what
it's saying as to his teammates, not him, He'll be fine.
(19:04):
I'm talking about the teammates who maybe saying Rob didn't
there and say put the distractions aside.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Didn't Aaron say we're all in to win the Super
Bowl and he's not here.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
It's only two days, Rob, but you couldn't be here
for these two days. It just looks It's not about
the football for me from his perspective, because he's gonna
be fine. It's about the tone that sets with the
other guys. They all doing something. They all had stuff,
better stuff probably to do, but they showed up, and
(19:44):
I you know, so I just think it screams hypocrisy,
and that is you know, that's what the critics of
Aaron Rodgers one of the things they point out, and I'm.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Like, dude, just show up.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
So I think that's the bad look. I'm not saying
it's the worst thing in the world, but I don't
like the tone that it sets, that's all I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I think those same teammates will remember how quickly he
tried to rehab last year, and he wanted to get
on the field and he's walking and throwing the football
and he's in Wilson's ear on the sidelines. And he
didn't just say I'm hurt this year and disappear and
not show up or be around. He could have just
said I'm gonna rehab on my own, I'm gonna disappear,
(20:32):
I'm not coming around.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
He was around all year. That was admirable.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I think his teammates saw that that he was really
trying that if there was some sort of playoff scenario,
which it wasn't gonna happen, Chris, with the way that
the team went that he was trying to make, I
think that you earned some points in that standpoint.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
So I just look at it, and there's two sides.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
One side you saw last year when he got hurt
that he was willing to be around and help his
teammates and talk to him and all that. And in
this case, I don't know what the scenario is, Chris,
about what is so important?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I just don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
And maybe there has to be a reason that you
couldn't move today, that.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
There's something, Well, it was an excuse because I would
think Rober if it's something, I mean, think of us
our job, if it's something legitimate, it'll be excused. I
just and look, I don't I have no idea what
it is. It hasn't been reported.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
A thought that comes to mind is he's speaking at
some event. You know, he's obviously in the politics or
other things.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
So who knows. But we will find out and we
will see.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
But I don't think besides family health things like that,
at this point, football should be number one, and that's.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
He's has said that.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
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Speaker 1 (22:01):
Breaking News Today, Just a couple hours ago, or within
the last few hours, the Brever Lawrence Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback
signs a five year, two hundred and seventy five million
dollar contract extension. Two hundred million guaranteed and the fifty
(22:23):
five million dollars a year Rob ties him now with
Joe Burrow of the Bengals for the top mark in
money per year.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It's just the NFL and this is we keep seeing.
It's just you have a quarterback. That turn comes up
and it's not based on stats or where.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
You fit in in the game. I mean, I think
of it. What was it? What was the guaranteed money?
Rob G?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Two hundred two hundred and when Mahomes signed, his guarantee
was sixty how Like, none of this makes any sense
to me, Chris, But this is the NFL.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
We talked about it before.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
When Matthew Stafford was with the Lions, he was the
highest paid player in the league. Hadn't even won a
playoff game to that point, so none of this really like,
it's just if you have a quarterback, franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
And Miami hadn't done it with Tua, not yet. But
you remember the Ravens foughted off with Lamar and obviously
ended up paying it. But ROBZ, you had an interesting
this is rob I don't know if rob G told
you this during the break, but this will blow you
away just the first sentence, he says. And theydn't even
(23:39):
give us the numbers, but go ahead.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Rob G.
Speaker 8 (23:42):
So this status courtesy of the thirty third team. All right,
Daniel Jones has paid an extra year, so his numbers
are going to be higher. In general, but across his
first forty eight starts, Trevor Lawrence twe and four total
yards Daniel Jones eleven nine to ninety two yards per ten,
both of them. Six point seven total touchdowns Trevor Lawrence
(24:03):
sixty six Daniel Jones sixty four. Total turnovers Trevor Lawrence
fifty five Daniel Jones fifty four. QB rating Trevor Lawrence
eighty five point five Daniel Jones eighty five point four.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
That's shocking, now, let me be it. Go ahead, go.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Ahead, Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't think that the numbers would
be that close. That's surprising. But you gotta admit, like
Trevor Lawrence, there was a time when they bounced back
and they won those games in a row. I can't
remember what it was. They won a playoff game and
then they were down twenty eight nothing or whatever it
was in that big playoff game. That was his moment
(24:45):
in the second half. I think he had four touchdowns
or whatever it was. It was, it was you looked
at him and was like wow. And remember he was
one of those guys that they thought was a can't miss,
But the numbers haven't lived up. We talked about it
all last year that he took a step back. We
talked about it that we thought he was going to
take a step forward coming off that playoff win, right, Chris,
(25:06):
that that big playoff comeback.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
It just hadn't been the case.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Look his first year, and you could say for Daniel
Jones that he hasn't been in a good situation, right,
But for his first year under urban Meyer, we know
that was just a disaster. And you know, if some
people don't want to hold that against Trevor, and I
get it, But since then he was better a second
year very you know, twenty five touchdowns, eight interceptions, rob
(25:33):
I mean, that's that's fine, particularly for your second year.
But last year Russell Wilson had twenty six touchdowns and
nine interceptions, so basically the same numbers Trevor few for
more yards. But and then this year, like you said,
Robbie took a step back. They didn't make the playoffs.
Here's what I here's where I'm at on Trevor Lawrence.
(25:55):
I if I were the Jaguars, I was saying this,
I've been saying it all off season. I would not
have extended him. I would not have extended him, not
that I don't want him as my quarterback. I'm just
saying I haven't quite seen enough I feel I would
(26:18):
feel like he's probably my guy. He's probably my guy.
There's reason to believe he's gonna be our franchise quarterback. Obviously, Rob,
the pedigree, the resume, all of that is great. But
before I give somebody two hundred and seventy five million dollars,
I want to be sure it's kind of the same
(26:40):
way I'm went to it. There's different reasons obviously to
us had the injury issues, but I'm like, look, I
want to be sure now.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Rob, I'll say this, if you know he's your guy.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Then it was smart to do it now because we
always said the price is only going.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Up, but it doesn't go down. It's not going down.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Waited a year.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Next year might be three hundred million, right, So I'm
with that. My take was this, Rob, And I've said
the same with Tua, and you know, I'll say it
with many quarterbacks that I'm not completely sure of. If
Trevor came out Rob this year and has a great
let's say I didn't pay him, I'm owning the Jags
(27:20):
and he comes out and has a great year. I
will gladly pay him more. I would gladly pay him
more next offseason if I am now one hundred percent
sure in my head this is our guy. This is
our guy. And Rob they've given like this is the
year for him. They giving him Gabe Davis. Remember with
(27:43):
Buffalo Brian Thomas Junior, who's a very nice receiver. They
drafted in the first round, and you already had Christian Kirk.
You got Travis Aten as a running back, like he's
got the pieces. Now this is the year to get
it done. I'm just saying I would have waited, and
I get it to cost me more money, but I
would just have more peace of mind than now.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Rob. A lot.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
We saw a lot of guys get paid after three
years and the teams regretted it. Carson wentz Kyler Murray.
Now Murray looks like he might well see if he
has a resurgence. But Murray right, and and golf obviously
is fine. But the Rams ended up feeling like he
wasn't their guy, you know, but he wound up being
(28:27):
on the of getting to another super Bowl. He was right,
well then, Detroit, He's been great. But I'm just saying
they the Lions paid him early, you didn't have to
pay him after three years. That's my thing too, is
I don't have to pay it now. And I just
don't think if it's a CJ. Stroud situation where he's
shown me for two three years he's that guy.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
In fact, the sooner the better because it does keep
the price lower. Rob, But I just haven't seen quite
enough from Trevor Lawrence to make me one hundred percent sure.
I'm my feeling is, yeah, he's gonna be the guy likely,
but I just want to see a little more evidence
before I'm willing to pony up that kind of money.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
The only problem is there's so few quarterbacks. That just
aren't enough guys out there, Chris. So the guys that
you have, their stock goes through the roof because there's
so many teams, thirty two teams, and they're nine quarterbacks,
nine or ten quarterbacks, and that's the problem. So when
you have one, if you don't have one, of your
(29:33):
season's over. So people are going to dive in with
these guys because they feel like they almost have who
what's our what's our alternative?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Who's al If you own the Jags would you have
paid him now or would you take my approach where
you wait?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I just think that they think because of what they saw.
And I'll be the first to say it took a
step back last.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Year, but it wasn't like it.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I mean, he wasn't awesome. His second year he was better,
much better and played well. I'm not gonna see here
and act like playing a player, and that he doesn't
have promise in all of that. And like I said,
I generally think he probably is. I mean, he clearly
is now, but I think in general it's will pay benefits,
(30:19):
this will pay dividends. But I personally would have been like, man,
I want to see. I want to see because last
year he wasn't as good, and the year before he
was fine, but he wasn't, you know, lights out.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
He hasn't been what he was. I just had to
be Here's the number one I hear you.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I just I don't know how you go, how you uh,
how you work against the whole idea, Chris, that you
said you want to see. It doesn't mean that even
if you see one more year that he couldn't have
another bad year or two. I don't know how you
really work against that you gotta have to me feel
like he has what it takes to get there, or
(31:00):
the guys putting in the work.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
You feel like he wants to get better.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
You've seen some flashes enough to make you say I gotta,
I gotta get in bed with somebody.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I just don't think we've seen that much.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, I'm just saying I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
That that that playoff comeback, he put him in the
hole with four first half interceptions.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I know, but they wanted they came back, come back.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
But that's one you know, like like I just want
to see more and and I I don't worry about
like if I see enough generally the quarter quarterbacks who
are really good, you know you're not equally good every year.
But I don't get your logic of well, if you
play well next year, that don't mean he's not gonna
(31:42):
play He's gonna play well.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
I don't get that. I don't I don't understand that.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I don't understand like you keep saying you will okay,
So he plays okay next year or plays better then.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
A five year contract in two franchise tags. I don't
have to pay you. Now, show me something.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
At some point, though, people aren't going to wait all
the way to franchise tags because they want to have
the guy on board. They want to know that he's
had some stability, that you believe in him. There's a
lot of stuff like that that goes in.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I want to wait till the Washington And they did
that to Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
It didn't work out. Kirk Cousins left. He didn't wait anything,
but it didn't work out for Washington. So they did that.
They didn't buy into him, and they kept waiting and waiting,
and what did they have. They still got a million
guys looking for still looking for a quarterback. So so
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Saying I want to wait that long. I'm just saying
I don't have to be in a rush. Ideally, I
would like.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
To sign a guy before the franchise tag.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Ideally I would like to sign him after this upcoming
season because he.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Plays really well.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
He just hasn't shown me consistently or even a lot,
even a lot of inconsistent times that he's gonna be
this star.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
So plain to me, what are they seeing? Why do
you think they signed a people see?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I mean, I don't know, rob people disagree I mean,
they obviously like him, and that's fine because I think
he probably is the guy. I'm just saying, if I
ran the team, I would want to see more evidence,
more consistent play of greatness coming around the corner.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Than I have so far. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
And I know it would it might cost me, but
I would be willing to pay that if I was
more certain that he's my guy.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yep, so and now and now it'll be interesting because
the price of quarterback just went up. So if I'm
Jordan Love, I'm just going down to the Rolls Royce
place looking around. If I'm Tua and who else didn't
get paid yet and Dak, I mean, are you kidding?
I mean they got to look around being like oh yeah,
oh yeah, this sounds great.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yes, it's gonna be interesting to see, do they They know.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Yeah, I don't know that they'll get more than Trevor.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
You know, you look at this pedigree Rob, but they
Jordan was better last year, you know, obviously over the
second half of the season than Trevor's ever been for
a stretch to a Rob did have a better season
last year than Trevor's ever had. So there you go,
and you know the agents are gonna have the numbers
and put that out.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
That's what they do about that, right,
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