May 10, 2025 • 31 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether it’s fair to question Jayson Tatum’s postseason legacy following two miserable performances in his series against the New York Knicks, argue whether Tyrese Haliburton’s postseason heroics the last two weeks serve as a sort of indictment on Steph Curry and his lack thereof, and take the rest of the NBA to task for never checking Draymond Green once and for all and putting an eye to his goonery.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
In Denver's win, obviously the Joker didn't have the big shot.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
It was Aaron Gordon.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
He did hit that big three though, right, But I'm
just saying, you know, like people are jumping around whatever
it was.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
The Joker wasn't involved in that. But but.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, forty two points, he dom twenty twenty two boards
like its that line is ridiculous. I don't know what
else to say. And once again we talked about it,
You're not gonna win. The MVP had a better year
than any of the MVP years. Yeah, and we keep
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seeing this guy do stuff that nobody's doing.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
It's been incredible.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
He's been spectacular, and he's gonna become, to me, really
difficult to assess when we start talking about his legacy,
like where do you put him?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Where do you rank him.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Where do you know he's got a little Tim Duncan
in him that esthetically now he passes better than Tim Duncans.
So at least you get those dimes that he drops,
but just moreland sometimes his game, you know, a little
boring little you know, three inches and below, so you
won't have that flash as some of the other big
some of the historical greats, the Jordan's the bird hidden
threes magic in the dimes, so he won't have that
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per se. But I was thinking about this, Rob and
I want to pose this question to you. Will it
matter that in his era he dominated, in an era
where night and night out he was by far the
biggest person outside from Joel Embiid And maybe if you
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want to say, a sa bonus for the most part.
And the reason I bring that up is sometimes there
have been a few players or a few things that
have happened in sports in general where you kind of go,
you put a little cave out if you will. So
some people will go at baseball, they'll say those players
were great in nineteen forty six in below, but they
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weren't playing any black players, they weren't playing any Latino players.
They weren't play you know, so they were great, but
no doubt, but the best of the best didn't have
a chance to actually play. And so some folks might
say that in reference to that. If you go back
to some people down Wilt, what's the first thing they say, Man,
Will was playing five foot ten guys, six foot ten guys.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Will was great, but he only played against small guys.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Only you know, real defender he had was Bill Russell
to worry about people will say that about him, so
they kind of use that against Will. And I say
that because I was really talking to Rob Tino was
breaking it down like I would have loved to have
seen Yokis, who you know, you sit next to me
every day, who I thoroughly appreciate and respect. He is
incredibly he's the best player in the league period flows
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so make sure I get that clear.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Historically great, but I.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Was like man, I would have loved to have seen
what he would have been like the like twenty years
stretch where he would have had to go up against
a shack. David Rummins, David Robinson and Tim Duncan were
on the same team the Kem Bae Matumbo, Kenya, Martin
Gasaw and bid them were on the same team starting
four and five Kendrick Perkins and Kevin Garnett, the same
four and five z Bo and Mark gasav That was
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the four and five starters. You had the bit you
saw this up close, Rashid and Ben Wallace. You saw
that every night for all those years, both of them,
night and night out. Hakeem Olajuwan Shacked. I mean that
a lines of morning like that, I do wonder and
I still think it would have been all stared. I
still think we'd been heading on his way to Hall
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of Fame. But I'm saying what would have been like
if he had to go up against night in, night out,
four and fives, the traditional fours and fives of the
you know, late eighties nineties through the mid late twenty
tennish era.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, I disagree with you. I think his talent is
one that you could look at and say it doesn't
matter like who was playing. Here's what I'll say. And
you brought up the baseball which people talk about all
the time, even Babe Ruth and not all of players,
but even Babe Ruth still stands out. Even during that
era of not playing, of segregation, he was so much
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better than everybody. Nobody diminishes Babe Ruth's ability.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
No know what I was saying. I know, I'm but
I'm but this is kind of what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Like you might you could question a lot of people
during that era and whether or not they were really
major leaguers or but Babe Ruth, you can't Will Chamberlain.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
The reason it wasn't just that he played smaller people.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
He didn't win as much as despite all the numbers
for people. And what the joker to me has is, yes,
he's dominating, which is what you should do if there's
nobody there, if you, if you weren't putting up these
kind of numbers and taking advantage of your situation against
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other people, then you can look at him and say
he didn't get enough.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You bring up Shack, people.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Say, man Shack really didn't do everything that he I
don't think you could look at the jokers say he
left any meat on the bone, like like he's putting
he's doing stuff that no one has ever done. If
he was just doing kind of standard you know what,
I stand a big man staff, right, and then you
could go, oh, you know, he's okay, but you know
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like there was nobody really there, and the joker is
exact opposite. He's like, my god, every time you turn
around and talk about something that no one has ever done.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And I think that's what works for him. And not
only that, when multiple.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
MVPs and he won a championship without another All Star.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Jamal Murray heard, Okay, we can put that people like
Jamal Murray.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I get, you're right, but but that's really that's right,
fact fact, you know what I mean, Like, that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And I think that's why he's different to me.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Here is where my counterpoint, Rob, everything you said I get. However,
if he had you guard Shaq Kuem, Kevin Garnet, Dirk Nwiz,
I even mentioned Dirk and Tyson Chandler, if he had
to got guard Park of Paul Gassau.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Literally night in the night out.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I love when I used to hear that Kenny Smith
tells a great story. When he would say Kenny Kim
would talk to him, say, Kenny, uh, I'm resting. He's like,
what are you wrestling for? He was like, because I
gotta play all these guys every night. He was like,
you know, you gotta go guard all these other people.
And I feel like if every night Yoki j also
not only get some buckets and get some passes, I
gotta guard all these guys I name, I got a
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gar Rashiet.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I gotta guard Chris Webber. I gotta guard Pagassos.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I gotta guard uh To ken Bay and David Robinson
and or Tim Duncan and in Shaq and or dry
that's a lot. I gotta guard marcasol or z Bo.
And I'm also saying that would have been amazing to see,
not that I get. I don't think you'd have been
all of a sudden terrible, no, for sure, but it
would have been interesting because you get a guy like
Chris Webber. Wow, Donovan Mitchell just punched on the entire
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city of Indiana, the an entire Indianapolis team right there.
So anyway, I just thought that would to me. I
was thinking about what you were going over the game,
going over.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
The last night.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
There was a big man out there right for Okay,
see you say Hartenstein, what I might jump? I might
jump on the table. I'm just saying, how tall is
chet holmgrin you I'm even losing weight way more than okay,
all right, matter of fact, the wait is.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
More than him. Here's my point, though, here's my point.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Last night Joker finished forty two points, twenty rebounds, six assists,
and in the process he joined only Yannis Shaq and
Wilt as the only players in NBA history to post
a foot twenty five game. Okay, and in this postseason,
the Jokers currently second amongst all players all players in
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points right, first and rebounds, assists and steal. So he
does so many things, and that's just my point. It's
his body of work. His body of work is so
gigantic that you can't like, you just can't go, well,
I'm going to put an asterisk or I'm not gonna
I'm not going to register it because so and so
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is missing. You could do that during this NBA era
when it's easier to score, like like we hear players
from from Europe talk about it all the time, like
it's easy to score in the NBA now with deep
like right and all that stuff. So should we say
and as people were talking about James Harden, no, or
can we make the case, well it's easy to score
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in this NBA now, are we going to discount what
he was able to do?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
You know?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
What I mean and what Steph and so many other
people because of the lack of defense that we saw,
at least when I was covering the league in the
eighties and the ninety late eighties, in the nineties and
early two thousands.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I think another point that I use is where we
kind of have these moments where you kind of got
to I enjoy having smart conversations about sports with people
because you brought up we were talking about earlier with
Isaiah Thomas, people as Zann Thomas went through Jordan, Larry
Bird and then Magic Johnson.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So I use this example too.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Everybody's like, like, Steph is the best shooter I've ever seen,
greatest shooter of all time. But there are a lot
of people right now in the NBA, in my opinion,
who are only in the NBA because of the current
way the game is played. So they're allowed to, Hey,
we're gonna have you on because you get to shoot.
Duncan Robinson and he went to Michigan, So I hate.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
To be like that.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Duncan Robinson is not in the NBA fifteen years ago,
my Lion rob Gi, but he's allowed. He's literally a
liability on defense. Everybody attacks him, but he's allowed to
shoot twelve Three's a gang. And I use that to
say when people forget if I'm at Mark Price, Joe Dumars,
Dale Ellis, let's go Steph Curry, Daddy Dale Curry, Hey
you can shoot twelve threes tonight. Hey, Reggie Miller, if
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you shot eighteen threes tonight, we wouldn't bat an eye.
So I use that as a sometimes where we have
to remember and people tell me, oh, this person is
a better shooter.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
He's he's a better shooter than some.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And so I said, man, Larry Bird only shot like
two point eight threes a game back in his day.
If I told Larry Bird he gets to shoot fifteen
and we wouldn't even think twice, what the heck would
he have been?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And so you just said.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
A name that brought back to me one of the
best nicknames given to a player.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Just talked about Dale Ellis.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Peter Vessi from the New York Post with the NBA
guy for a long time and the Trail Blazers had
all kinds of legal problems, guys getting arrested, all kinds
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, so he called him Jail Ellis was the nickname
I'm sorry. Was he with the jail Blazers too? Yes,
they were called the jail Blazer You got it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I just I think the Joker has something really really special.
And I don't care what Eeri's playing in or what
the circumstances situation is. I think he is, to me an,
all time great. And I'm not saying he is sitting
here he's crowding. I'm saying he's the greatest playoff is.
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I just would have loved to have seen him night
and night out.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Have to go up against fours and fives that were
legitimate fours and fives every probably sixty five to seventy
five percent of the nights, and I got to go
up against Ben Wallace or she Wallas, I got to
go up against Kevin Garnet, Kendrick Perkins, I got to
go up against Andrew Biden and Power GASONA.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I still think he would have done well.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I just really well. I just think he is. I
think he is a score a rebound. I mean, he's
a great passer. I'm not saying that that like he's
going to I just don't see him dropping off because
he would have other press not.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Just what I'd love to, you know, love just seeing
that because it's a different it's a different game when
I got to prepare for not only to be defended.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
But also can do Oh no, no, no, no, he can't.
It's just this is just me.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Throwing it out just to you, just kind of getting
your thoughts. I was watching the game thinking about that,
like he's incredibly but he I would love to have
seen him back. And also just actually, by the way,
it doesn't have to be a negative, like just to
see his battles going up against other bigs, you know,
like when we have historical battles quem Olajuwan versus David Robinson.
Those were amazing, right seeing some of these guys go
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Alonzo and Shaq go at, and and seeing Powell and
Andrew Biden go up against Perkins and Kevin Garnett, you know,
far the battle of the bigs in those series like
that is also what I'm saying to just to have
seen him have these battles, because the one we get
geared up for is what him and ad and then
him and Embid. Those are like the ones we get
geared up for. The matchups not only not aesthetically to
see him play, Is it pleasing? I meaning he only
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gets two matchups that really matter individually. You follow what
I'm saying, Yes, Like we love to see Oh Jordan
going up against Clyde Jordan, Reggie Miller Jordan.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I just think he's such as he's such a generational talent.
Like I just I've never seen anybody dominate and just
then and and all, even the analytics, like the numbers
all match up. They're not like their empty stats or
you know what I mean, or he's stat padding or whatever,
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like they all imatchin it.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
He is and he's clutching. He's great.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I just would have loved to see him have some
nights where he goes up against his rival who is
Pile Gasol or his rival Zebo or his you know
these bigs or Mark Gasol. He just he doesn't he
doesn't have that and I would have loved to have
seen that.
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Speaker 2 (13:38):
App Hyrie's Halliburton.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Obviously, just the unbelievable story and uh uh, the big
shot and now, uh this year.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Are you ready?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yes, with two minutes or less to play, he's ten
four eleven.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
That's did you know what I said?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
That's with two minutes to play on game winners, right,
ten four eleven.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Not only that, now you need to make the one
last night.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
He made another one the week before, right, the one
his dad ran out on the court and all that.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
So he has two game winners in the last two weeks.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And the first thing I thought of, I'm gonna be
honest a lofside from how in the world.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Did they win that game?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
And man, does he have some onions that he's gonna
get fined for because we saw the onion right, he
was carrying onions around him for the NBA was not
happy with that. First your dad and now you got onions.
Now we got an issue.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, I can deal with the onions, Okay, yeah, more
so than that. Those didn't make them cry like that.
Those onions.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
No. But my first thought was, rob g how many
years has Steph Curry played? Fifteen years in the NBA?
Is it one five fifteen?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And Steph Curry doesn't have one unlike that? In the
postseason Tyrese Halliburton has had two in the last week.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
He's at two in the last week. It's a further
indictment on Steph Curry. You can't give me any excuses.
Oh the timeframe you haven't just why is it just
in the final fifty seconds or two minutes or whatever
it is. We're talking about making a clutch shot in
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a big spot. You can't give me a Steph Curry
basket like that? How can you play that long, win
as much as Steph Curry's won win championships and not
be able to have that shot that people remember you buy.
I don't care what Tyree's Halleburton does going forward.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
People remember that.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
They will people remember moments and when games end like that.
That's what heightens your awarability. Does that make sense? And
people knowing like that guy, Robert Rorri, nobody could tell you,
but nobody could tell you how many times you made
the All Star team? Was her starter?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Was he on the bench?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
But everybody who watches basketball knows Robert Rorri, Are you
kidding me? That dude was sensational? You better not leave
them open in a big spot. He'll make your pay.
It is an indictment of Steph Curry, that's all. And
I'm not here to like not talk about Halliburton and
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what he's been able to do. But it's mind boggling
to me that you could play fifteen years, win four championships,
playing a gazillion playoff games. All right, there was only
a handful of years they didn't make the playoffs and
you don't have a signature moment.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
How is that possible? Kelvin Rob You know I love
you like a play cousin, but this has gone too far.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Steph Curry, Kay, He's sitting up there trying to heal
his hamstring right now, thinking about his team, how they
won for him, how they fought for him, they got
a good first game win in that series, minding his
own business with the Curry family, and you're taking a
shot at him. He is sitting there trying to heal
this hammy, and you're taking shot to him. Boy, he
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trying to heal his hammy while you over here getting
eating your ham sandwiches. When does it come a little
bit later later on? Let me let me say this
with cheese. Steph Curry has four rings. We know all
the MVPs. Steph Curry is the greatest shooter of all time.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I agree it.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It's strange that he doesn't have a moment, but he
has these flurry moments. Matter of fact, Alex, you were
here when we discover with them. At any time he
springs up, Steph, Curry, you know what's coming. Find on
there a whap bubble dooo, baba wap bamboo. Please find
that it's on there. Mary already has it for me.
That's what I need to hear right now. But while
Alex is getting that, because he just got back, I'll say,
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you can't find it. No, you can find it. When
you find it, let me know so I can make
my point. I want to choose to praise Sarees Halliburton.
You know why. This is the second time that he
has made a game winning play, a game winning shot,
and the story or the headline is something else. He
beach Milwaukee's sends you on his home wins one and
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his Pops ruins the situation for him.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So now all we're doing is talking about his pops.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
The next time he hits a game winner, we should
be talking about how good he is. Maybe over they
taught him overrated, Maybe he's underrated. But then Rob Parker
decides to talk about Steph Curry, who all he does
is this.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Wop baba loo mom lamp bam what I'm talking about. No,
he doesn't. He doesn't hit a game winner.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But he hits you with a Florida wap bah blah
loo baba what bam boom, that's.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
What he does. He doesn't here we wanted again, Alex
walk bab that's what he does. So he doesn't have
a three two one game winner.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Little Richard is one of the all time greats and
he had It's like Steph Curry not having any hit records.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Little Richard had hit records.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Well, he might be in a Guinness book for the
most album sold then and and Albums of the Year
also known as MVPs and dad Gonna.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Fin us not digress. I don't want to lay. This
is about Stephen.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Steph Curry has icy hot on his hamstring right now.
This is about Tyrese Haliburton. His daddy stole his spotlight.
Rob Parker's trying to steal his spotlight talking about Steph Curry.
You mentioned ten of eleven with nine seconds left or
under whatever it is sexual minute two minutes two minutes,
he was fourteen percent most overrated. They voted him he
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is on a good aira from now to that we
are gonna get that.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
He's on a tear for that other topic that we'll
talk about.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And lastly, I say it again, they say, the regular season,
you become an All Star, you play good, that's where
you make your name. The playoffs is where you make
your fame. And he's been doing just so. It shout
out to him. Game winners, got his team up to
and let that boy shine and stop bringing up Steph Curry.
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Got all these championships, all these MVPs, and you worried
about that.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I just can't believe it.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Every time and time again, it is unbelievable, Steph Curry.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
The well is dry.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
There's nothing there, nothing for those Steph Curry fans to hold.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
On to and say, oh yeah, I remember when I.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Got goosebumps because Steph did this or knocked down that shot,
or knocked down this or that.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Nothing zero not all.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
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Speaker 2 (20:48):
This was his response to something tickulus look like the
angry black man. I'm not an angry black man.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I'm a very successful, educated black man with a great family,
and I'm great at basketball right at what I do
to get the a gender to try to keep making
me look like.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
An angry black man is crazy. I'm sick of it.
It's ridiculous, you know what, Draymond, please save it.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I'm serious to take that tack when you swung and
hit somebody across the head again, and this is what
you've been doing, you know, let's like to put it
like make you feel guilty. I ain't doing nothing wrong,
y'all just doing this because I'm black. Whatever, The league's
eighty five percent black. Nobody else is getting treated like
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the angry black man.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
But Draymond Green, right, Are you the one who sucker
punch your teammate?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Are you the guy who stepped on another player's chest
and stepped on someone scrowed them? I mean, what are
we talking about? And I'm gonna make this very clear, Okay,
I'm not gonna put the blame on Steve Kerr and
Steph Curry even though they're enablers. They're enablers because it
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better fits them. Let him do all this bad stuff
and we benefit. We can still win and get it
people's hands and get guys thrown out and find right,
Draymond ain't putting up no points. He's an important part
of that team. But you know what I mean, right,
all right? So they're enablers. Remember he sucker punched the teammate,
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didn't even get suspended member he came back. He came
back because they wanted to make sure he was there
for the ring ceremony.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Had he punched Steph like that, you think you'd have
been there for the ring ceremony, are you?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
And I'm not even gonna blame Draymond Green.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
This is what you want to be, This is where
you think, This is where your name and your image
and what you want to be long term. And you're
getting away with it because your team has won four championship.
Because if they didn't, he wouldn't be in the way
with this same thing. People would look at him totally different.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I know everybody's gonna go to the Hall of Fame
because they four championships and all that. He should go
to the goon Hall of Fame, and if there isn't one,
I'll started.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
He'll be the.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
First one unanimous the goon Hall of Fame. He'll go
in before hockey players. This is absolutely ridiculous. And then
to have a clutch and try to use. Oh you're
trying to pay me as a angry black man, please,
But I'm blaming the players of the NBA. I'm pointing
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to all of you. You are the reason that Draymond
Green continues to do what he does, which is to
not play basketball, which is trying to hurt.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
People, main people.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Whatever you want to do, Stepping on people, knocking up
people upside the head, sucker punching people.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
There's no room for that in professional basketball. Are you serious?
This ain't no hard foul or basketball play.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, he lost the ball and let me just swing
up inside the guy's head for extra.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
It's always extra.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
It's not the hamburger and the cheese, it's mayo and
mustard and Peter butter. He always wants to put extra
on it. That's the issue. But I blame the players
to allow him to.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Do this over and over and over.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Why hasn't someone stopped him and I'm that serious. When
he's attacked another player, the whole team to go and
confront Draymond and push him down or whatever it is,
and tell him, don't do that to our guys. We
will not accept it. You know how baseball police is
itself and why they don't have it, Kevin, If you're
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a pitcher and you're throwing at somebody, dude, your guys.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Gonna get hit. Who's your star, Aaron Jarge?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
You watch and see I'm gonna throw it his I'm
gonna throw it his wrist.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
You hit one of my guys. Players have to police
the game.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
The NBA won't do anything, the Warriors won't do anything,
Joymond Green won't do anything. The other players. I can't
believe it's going on for how many years? Fifteen years,
fourteen years? Really where the guys. I wish there was
a Charles Oakley or Anthony Mason or the Davis brothers
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in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Everybody's solved and friendly. Really, I'm yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I think what was made it disappointing for me to
go on what you're talking about right now is the
fact that he gets to do this to any and
everybody and never feel the repercussions, He gets to knock
out your start, he gets to remember he's take a
swipe on Lebron and the kewez.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah. He gets to do.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
All these things, and nobody ever said next game, telling
you now serving him a two piece of the biscuits
you as soon as the ball tips, wow, and then
that'd be that?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Did we not see that?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
With Robert Pouch and Bill Bears punch Bill as tired
and letting, slamming, Larry Bird doing this to Michale and
the minute he elbowed him. He tells the story, I
told him watch the balls. He told me shut the
blank up. Okay, okay, and Robert Pears served him up.
Doctor j served up Larry Bird. My point is that
happened when folks needed felt like they need to be.
Now here's a couple of things I want to say
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about this. Number One, Draymond Green is absolutely right, which
is what makes this perplexing. Here's what I mean. He
is smart. He is a very well thought out person.
He's very articulate. Anytime you hear him outside of on
the court, you're like, man, this guy really knows business.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
He knows basketball. He's got it well.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Put together, speaks about social issues, talks about family, which
is why this is more perplexing that he doesn't get
why folks are concerned about what we see on the
court versus the guy who we see and here in
press conference has earned podcasts. There's a there's a there's
a distance difference between the two. Also, this, you're one
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of one. You're the only one doing this. There's literally
no one else putting Rudy Gobert in a head in
a headline, there's literally no one else stepping.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
On that hair.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
You literally put Rudy Gobert in a w W E
sleeper hole and for no reason, for no reason, like
you ran into it. He wasn't the one you ran
to him, grabbed him and said, oh yeah, go to sleep,
go night night. And you do step on some bonis
and you slapped this person. You make it obvious, you're
not disguising. A bunch of other guys are doing this
and this is just.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
The era of the league. You're one of one.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
There's literally not a single other person going on like
this is the only other person who can be an antagonizer.
But he's not as physical as this. His is more
annoying here's the more getting your face his his more
clapping your face, that kind of thing. You're literally stomping, stepping, punching,
choking out people. And here's what other point that ST's
me about this, Rob Parker, You know this. There are
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still things that are happening in his country to black
people that are not right. There are still things that
we go through that are not correct. There's still challenges,
still polite, still burdens, yet we persevere.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And for him to use that in an.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Instance where he literally has created the thing is bothersome.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
He's too smart and he knows better.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
And maybe he was in the heat that maybe he
was mad in the moment, frustrated and that's not exactly
what he meant, and he'll come out, but he is
too smart to know you have created this because you
literally are the only one in the NBA doing this. Literally,
there's no one else doing this. And this is you
putting extra stuff on things, extra sauce on flailing, slapping
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people in the face, and to tied into the angry
black man. I don't like that because there is a
person right now, there's a black man, there's a black
woman on their job, who are dealing with microaggressions, who
are going through things and are scared to speak up
because they don't want to be perceived as what the
angry black man are black woman real.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Issues and you're not saying you are right, So not.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
On the national stage punching, stepping, choking people and then
being perplexed while folks are like, man and nobody's calling
you an angry black man.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
What they're saying is you're doing too much on the card.
Why are you so aggressive with people? Why are you
continually trying to hurt people?
Speaker 4 (29:21):
And what?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
And that's my thing.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
This is literally problematic to the tune of its hurt
your team to where they were excited just the second
half a couple of games ago. They were excited that
he calmed down. Literally, Steve Currs like, we're great, that
he controlled himself. So the idea now that people are
trying to paint you is something. No, they're painting you
what you are in the current era of basketball. If
this was circa nineteen eighty eight, you'd be perfectly fine.
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You fit right in. This was circa nineteen ninety four,
and you were a nick, you were a piston, you
were a Miami heat player.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You fit right out where we are.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
We're in twenty twenty five, and you're the only one
doing this literally, so it's obvious to see you stand out.
So it's not like we had to. It is putting you.
You're literally the only one doing this regularly, whether it
be regular season, playoffs, finals, you've done it all and
that's what people are calling you about.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I can't speak to what it allegedly a fan might
have said. If a fan called him something, he's frustrated
a fan. That's between the fan and I happened last night.
We're talking about the text. We're talking about the multiple texts.
We're talking about the fact again during a couple of
games ago, they stole the ball from your half court,
you flared your arm, punched him in the face. These
are the things that we're talking about. And ain't got
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nothing to do with you black because if.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
You were white.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Give you an example, Grayson Allen. What did we say
about Grayson Allen? Dirty bush? What's going on? Because he
was tripping people, he was elbowing people's doing stuff in college.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
He called him out.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
So Draymond is too smart to try to make this
a black thing because I know I've been through stuff
you've been Is.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
That the angry black man when he sucker punches teammate
Jordan Poole?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Right? Was that was that somebody payton him in a
bad light?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Come on, man, so don't use that because there are
people who really have have to speak on that. And
you almost becomes the crying woolf when you just use
it any other time, because I know, we called Grayson
Allen out for being dirty all the time because he
was doing it was dirty. People called Bill Lambill out
for doing what they hated him. So, dude, there's been
plenty of people in this sport and other sports who
people feel due too much or going to extra mile,
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putting a little extra sauce on it. And it is
And this is one of the rare times I can say, yes, dog,
this isn't a black thing, and please don't use that
for when it really is something like that and it
matters and people go there they go again because that
stuff is real for people in other facets.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
In Denver's win, obviously the Joker didn't have the big shot.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
It was Aaron Gordon.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
He did hit that big three though, right, But I'm
just saying, you know, like people are jumping around whatever
it was.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
The Joker wasn't involved in that. But but.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, forty two points, he dom twenty twenty two boards
like its that line is ridiculous. I don't know what
else to say. And once again we talked about it,
You're not gonna win. The MVP had a better year
than any of the MVP years. Yeah, and we keep
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seeing this guy do stuff that nobody's doing.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
It's been incredible.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
He's been spectacular, and he's gonna become, to me, really
difficult to assess when we start talking about his legacy,
like where do you put him?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Where do you rank him.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Where do you know he's got a little Tim Duncan
in him that esthetically now he passes better than Tim Duncans.
So at least you get those dimes that he drops,
but just moreland sometimes his game, you know, a little
boring little you know, three inches and below, so you
won't have that flash as some of the other big
some of the historical greats, the Jordan's the bird hidden
threes magic in the dimes, so he won't have that
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per se. But I was thinking about this, Rob and
I want to pose this question to you. Will it
matter that in his era he dominated, in an era
where night and night out he was by far the
biggest person outside from Joel Embiid And maybe if you
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want to say, a sa bonus for the most part.
And the reason I bring that up is sometimes there
have been a few players or a few things that
have happened in sports in general where you kind of go,
you put a little cave out if you will. So
some people will go at baseball, they'll say those players
were great in nineteen forty six in below, but they
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weren't playing any black players, they weren't playing any Latino players.
They weren't play you know, so they were great, but
no doubt, but the best of the best didn't have
a chance to actually play. And so some folks might
say that in reference to that. If you go back
to some people down Wilt, what's the first thing they say, Man,
Will was playing five foot ten guys, six foot ten guys.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Will was great, but he only played against small guys.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Only you know, real defender he had was Bill Russell
to worry about people will say that about him, so
they kind of use that against Will. And I say
that because I was really talking to Rob Tino was
breaking it down like I would have loved to have
seen Yokis, who you know, you sit next to me
every day, who I thoroughly appreciate and respect. He is
incredibly he's the best player in the league period flows
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so make sure I get that clear.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Historically great, but I.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Was like man, I would have loved to have seen
what he would have been like the like twenty years
stretch where he would have had to go up against
a shack. David Rummins, David Robinson and Tim Duncan were
on the same team the Kem Bae Matumbo, Kenya, Martin
Gasaw and bid them were on the same team starting
four and five Kendrick Perkins and Kevin Garnett, the same
four and five z Bo and Mark gasav That was
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the four and five starters. You had the bit you
saw this up close, Rashid and Ben Wallace. You saw
that every night for all those years, both of them,
night and night out. Hakeem Olajuwan Shacked. I mean that
a lines of morning like that, I do wonder and
I still think it would have been all stared. I
still think we'd been heading on his way to Hall
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of Fame. But I'm saying what would have been like
if he had to go up against night in, night out,
four and fives, the traditional fours and fives of the
you know, late eighties nineties through the mid late twenty
tennish era.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, I disagree with you. I think his talent is
one that you could look at and say it doesn't
matter like who was playing. Here's what I'll say. And
you brought up the baseball which people talk about all
the time, even Babe Ruth and not all of players,
but even Babe Ruth still stands out. Even during that
era of not playing, of segregation, he was so much
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better than everybody. Nobody diminishes Babe Ruth's ability.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
No know what I was saying. I know, I'm but
I'm but this is kind of what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Like you might you could question a lot of people
during that era and whether or not they were really
major leaguers or but Babe Ruth, you can't Will Chamberlain.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
The reason it wasn't just that he played smaller people.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
He didn't win as much as despite all the numbers
for people. And what the joker to me has is, yes,
he's dominating, which is what you should do if there's
nobody there, if you, if you weren't putting up these
kind of numbers and taking advantage of your situation against
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other people, then you can look at him and say
he didn't get enough.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You bring up Shack, people.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Say, man Shack really didn't do everything that he I
don't think you could look at the jokers say he
left any meat on the bone, like like he's putting
he's doing stuff that no one has ever done. If
he was just doing kind of standard you know what,
I stand a big man staff, right, and then you
could go, oh, you know, he's okay, but you know
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like there was nobody really there, and the joker is
exact opposite. He's like, my god, every time you turn
around and talk about something that no one has ever done.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And I think that's what works for him. And not
only that, when multiple.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
MVPs and he won a championship without another All Star.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Jamal Murray heard, Okay, we can put that people like
Jamal Murray.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I get, you're right, but but that's really that's right,
fact fact, you know what I mean, Like, that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And I think that's why he's different to me.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Here is where my counterpoint, Rob, everything you said I get. However,
if he had you guard Shaq Kuem, Kevin Garnet, Dirk Nwiz,
I even mentioned Dirk and Tyson Chandler, if he had
to got guard Park of Paul Gassau.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Literally night in the night out.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I love when I used to hear that Kenny Smith
tells a great story. When he would say Kenny Kim
would talk to him, say, Kenny, uh, I'm resting. He's like,
what are you wrestling for? He was like, because I
gotta play all these guys every night. He was like,
you know, you gotta go guard all these other people.
And I feel like if every night Yoki j also
not only get some buckets and get some passes, I
gotta guard all these guys I name, I got a
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gar Rashiet.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I gotta guard Chris Webber. I gotta guard Pagassos.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I gotta guard uh To ken Bay and David Robinson
and or Tim Duncan and in Shaq and or dry
that's a lot. I gotta guard marcasol or z Bo.
And I'm also saying that would have been amazing to see,
not that I get. I don't think you'd have been
all of a sudden terrible, no, for sure, but it
would have been interesting because you get a guy like
Chris Webber. Wow, Donovan Mitchell just punched on the entire
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city of Indiana, the an entire Indianapolis team right there.
So anyway, I just thought that would to me. I
was thinking about what you were going over the game,
going over.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
The last night.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
There was a big man out there right for Okay,
see you say Hartenstein, what I might jump? I might
jump on the table. I'm just saying, how tall is
chet holmgrin you I'm even losing weight way more than okay,
all right, matter of fact, the wait is.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
More than him. Here's my point, though, here's my point.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Last night Joker finished forty two points, twenty rebounds, six assists,
and in the process he joined only Yannis Shaq and
Wilt as the only players in NBA history to post
a foot twenty five game. Okay, and in this postseason,
the Jokers currently second amongst all players all players in
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points right, first and rebounds, assists and steal. So he
does so many things, and that's just my point. It's
his body of work. His body of work is so
gigantic that you can't like, you just can't go, well,
I'm going to put an asterisk or I'm not gonna
I'm not going to register it because so and so
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is missing. You could do that during this NBA era
when it's easier to score, like like we hear players
from from Europe talk about it all the time, like
it's easy to score in the NBA now with deep
like right and all that stuff. So should we say
and as people were talking about James Harden, no, or
can we make the case, well it's easy to score
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in this NBA now, are we going to discount what
he was able to do?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
You know?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
What I mean and what Steph and so many other
people because of the lack of defense that we saw,
at least when I was covering the league in the
eighties and the ninety late eighties, in the nineties and
early two thousands.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I think another point that I use is where we
kind of have these moments where you kind of got
to I enjoy having smart conversations about sports with people
because you brought up we were talking about earlier with
Isaiah Thomas, people as Zann Thomas went through Jordan, Larry
Bird and then Magic Johnson.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So I use this example too.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Everybody's like, like, Steph is the best shooter I've ever seen,
greatest shooter of all time. But there are a lot
of people right now in the NBA, in my opinion,
who are only in the NBA because of the current
way the game is played. So they're allowed to, Hey,
we're gonna have you on because you get to shoot.
Duncan Robinson and he went to Michigan, So I hate.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
To be like that.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Duncan Robinson is not in the NBA fifteen years ago,
my Lion rob Gi, but he's allowed. He's literally a
liability on defense. Everybody attacks him, but he's allowed to
shoot twelve Three's a gang. And I use that to
say when people forget if I'm at Mark Price, Joe Dumars,
Dale Ellis, let's go Steph Curry, Daddy Dale Curry, Hey
you can shoot twelve threes tonight. Hey, Reggie Miller, if
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you shot eighteen threes tonight, we wouldn't bat an eye.
So I use that as a sometimes where we have
to remember and people tell me, oh, this person is
a better shooter.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
He's he's a better shooter than some.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And so I said, man, Larry Bird only shot like
two point eight threes a game back in his day.
If I told Larry Bird he gets to shoot fifteen
and we wouldn't even think twice, what the heck would
he have been?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And so you just said.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
A name that brought back to me one of the
best nicknames given to a player.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Just talked about Dale Ellis.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Peter Vessi from the New York Post with the NBA
guy for a long time and the Trail Blazers had
all kinds of legal problems, guys getting arrested, all kinds
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, so he called him Jail Ellis was the nickname
I'm sorry. Was he with the jail Blazers too? Yes,
they were called the jail Blazer You got it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I just I think the Joker has something really really special.
And I don't care what Eeri's playing in or what
the circumstances situation is. I think he is, to me an,
all time great. And I'm not saying he is sitting
here he's crowding. I'm saying he's the greatest playoff is.
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I just would have loved to have seen him night
and night out.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Have to go up against fours and fives that were
legitimate fours and fives every probably sixty five to seventy
five percent of the nights, and I got to go
up against Ben Wallace or she Wallas, I got to
go up against Kevin Garnet, Kendrick Perkins, I got to
go up against Andrew Biden and Power GASONA.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I still think he would have done well.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I just really well. I just think he is. I
think he is a score a rebound. I mean, he's
a great passer. I'm not saying that that like he's
going to I just don't see him dropping off because
he would have other press not.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Just what I'd love to, you know, love just seeing
that because it's a different it's a different game when
I got to prepare for not only to be defended.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
But also can do Oh no, no, no, no, he can't.
It's just this is just me.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Throwing it out just to you, just kind of getting
your thoughts. I was watching the game thinking about that,
like he's incredibly but he I would love to have
seen him back. And also just actually, by the way,
it doesn't have to be a negative, like just to
see his battles going up against other bigs, you know,
like when we have historical battles quem Olajuwan versus David Robinson.
Those were amazing, right seeing some of these guys go
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Alonzo and Shaq go at, and and seeing Powell and
Andrew Biden go up against Perkins and Kevin Garnett, you know,
far the battle of the bigs in those series like
that is also what I'm saying to just to have
seen him have these battles, because the one we get
geared up for is what him and ad and then
him and Embid. Those are like the ones we get
geared up for. The matchups not only not aesthetically to
see him play, Is it pleasing? I meaning he only
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gets two matchups that really matter individually. You follow what
I'm saying, Yes, Like we love to see Oh Jordan
going up against Clyde Jordan, Reggie Miller Jordan.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I just think he's such as he's such a generational talent.
Like I just I've never seen anybody dominate and just
then and and all, even the analytics, like the numbers
all match up. They're not like their empty stats or
you know what I mean, or he's stat padding or whatever,
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like they all imatchin it.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
He is and he's clutching. He's great.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I just would have loved to see him have some
nights where he goes up against his rival who is
Pile Gasol or his rival Zebo or his you know
these bigs or Mark Gasol. He just he doesn't he
doesn't have that and I would have loved to have
seen that.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
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Speaker 2 (13:38):
App Hyrie's Halliburton.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Obviously, just the unbelievable story and uh uh, the big
shot and now, uh this year.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Are you ready?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yes, with two minutes or less to play, he's ten
four eleven.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
That's did you know what I said?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
That's with two minutes to play on game winners, right,
ten four eleven.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Not only that, now you need to make the one
last night.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
He made another one the week before, right, the one
his dad ran out on the court and all that.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
So he has two game winners in the last two weeks.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And the first thing I thought of, I'm gonna be
honest a lofside from how in the world.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Did they win that game?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
And man, does he have some onions that he's gonna
get fined for because we saw the onion right, he
was carrying onions around him for the NBA was not
happy with that. First your dad and now you got onions.
Now we got an issue.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, I can deal with the onions, Okay, yeah, more
so than that. Those didn't make them cry like that.
Those onions.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
No. But my first thought was, rob g how many
years has Steph Curry played? Fifteen years in the NBA?
Is it one five fifteen?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And Steph Curry doesn't have one unlike that? In the
postseason Tyrese Halliburton has had two in the last week.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
He's at two in the last week. It's a further
indictment on Steph Curry. You can't give me any excuses.
Oh the timeframe you haven't just why is it just
in the final fifty seconds or two minutes or whatever
it is. We're talking about making a clutch shot in
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a big spot. You can't give me a Steph Curry
basket like that? How can you play that long, win
as much as Steph Curry's won win championships and not
be able to have that shot that people remember you buy.
I don't care what Tyree's Halleburton does going forward.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
People remember that.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
They will people remember moments and when games end like that.
That's what heightens your awarability. Does that make sense? And
people knowing like that guy, Robert Rorri, nobody could tell you,
but nobody could tell you how many times you made
the All Star team? Was her starter?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Was he on the bench?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
But everybody who watches basketball knows Robert Rorri, Are you
kidding me? That dude was sensational? You better not leave
them open in a big spot. He'll make your pay.
It is an indictment of Steph Curry, that's all. And
I'm not here to like not talk about Halliburton and
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what he's been able to do. But it's mind boggling
to me that you could play fifteen years, win four championships,
playing a gazillion playoff games. All right, there was only
a handful of years they didn't make the playoffs and
you don't have a signature moment.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
How is that possible? Kelvin Rob You know I love
you like a play cousin, but this has gone too far.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Steph Curry, Kay, He's sitting up there trying to heal
his hamstring right now, thinking about his team, how they
won for him, how they fought for him, they got
a good first game win in that series, minding his
own business with the Curry family, and you're taking a
shot at him. He is sitting there trying to heal
this hammy, and you're taking shot to him. Boy, he
(17:26):
trying to heal his hammy while you over here getting
eating your ham sandwiches. When does it come a little
bit later later on? Let me let me say this
with cheese. Steph Curry has four rings. We know all
the MVPs. Steph Curry is the greatest shooter of all time.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I agree it.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It's strange that he doesn't have a moment, but he
has these flurry moments. Matter of fact, Alex, you were
here when we discover with them. At any time he
springs up, Steph, Curry, you know what's coming. Find on
there a whap bubble dooo, baba wap bamboo. Please find
that it's on there. Mary already has it for me.
That's what I need to hear right now. But while
Alex is getting that, because he just got back, I'll say,
(18:02):
you can't find it. No, you can find it. When
you find it, let me know so I can make
my point. I want to choose to praise Sarees Halliburton.
You know why. This is the second time that he
has made a game winning play, a game winning shot,
and the story or the headline is something else. He
beach Milwaukee's sends you on his home wins one and
(18:25):
his Pops ruins the situation for him.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So now all we're doing is talking about his pops.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
The next time he hits a game winner, we should
be talking about how good he is. Maybe over they
taught him overrated, Maybe he's underrated. But then Rob Parker
decides to talk about Steph Curry, who all he does
is this.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Wop baba loo mom lamp bam what I'm talking about. No,
he doesn't. He doesn't hit a game winner.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But he hits you with a Florida wap bah blah
loo baba what bam boom, that's.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
What he does. He doesn't here we wanted again, Alex
walk bab that's what he does. So he doesn't have
a three two one game winner.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Little Richard is one of the all time greats and
he had It's like Steph Curry not having any hit records.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Little Richard had hit records.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Well, he might be in a Guinness book for the
most album sold then and and Albums of the Year
also known as MVPs and dad Gonna.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Fin us not digress. I don't want to lay. This
is about Stephen.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Steph Curry has icy hot on his hamstring right now.
This is about Tyrese Haliburton. His daddy stole his spotlight.
Rob Parker's trying to steal his spotlight talking about Steph Curry.
You mentioned ten of eleven with nine seconds left or
under whatever it is sexual minute two minutes two minutes,
he was fourteen percent most overrated. They voted him he
(19:42):
is on a good aira from now to that we
are gonna get that.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
He's on a tear for that other topic that we'll
talk about.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And lastly, I say it again, they say, the regular season,
you become an All Star, you play good, that's where
you make your name. The playoffs is where you make
your fame. And he's been doing just so. It shout
out to him. Game winners, got his team up to
and let that boy shine and stop bringing up Steph Curry.
(20:09):
Got all these championships, all these MVPs, and you worried
about that.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I just can't believe it.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Every time and time again, it is unbelievable, Steph Curry.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
The well is dry.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
There's nothing there, nothing for those Steph Curry fans to hold.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
On to and say, oh yeah, I remember when I.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Got goosebumps because Steph did this or knocked down that shot,
or knocked down this or that.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Nothing zero not all.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
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Speaker 2 (20:48):
This was his response to something tickulus look like the
angry black man. I'm not an angry black man.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I'm a very successful, educated black man with a great family,
and I'm great at basketball right at what I do
to get the a gender to try to keep making
me look like.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
An angry black man is crazy. I'm sick of it.
It's ridiculous, you know what, Draymond, please save it.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I'm serious to take that tack when you swung and
hit somebody across the head again, and this is what
you've been doing, you know, let's like to put it
like make you feel guilty. I ain't doing nothing wrong,
y'all just doing this because I'm black. Whatever, The league's
eighty five percent black. Nobody else is getting treated like
(21:30):
the angry black man.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
But Draymond Green, right, Are you the one who sucker
punch your teammate?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Are you the guy who stepped on another player's chest
and stepped on someone scrowed them? I mean, what are
we talking about? And I'm gonna make this very clear, Okay,
I'm not gonna put the blame on Steve Kerr and
Steph Curry even though they're enablers. They're enablers because it
(21:59):
better fits them. Let him do all this bad stuff
and we benefit. We can still win and get it
people's hands and get guys thrown out and find right,
Draymond ain't putting up no points. He's an important part
of that team. But you know what I mean, right,
all right? So they're enablers. Remember he sucker punched the teammate,
(22:20):
didn't even get suspended member he came back. He came
back because they wanted to make sure he was there
for the ring ceremony.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Had he punched Steph like that, you think you'd have
been there for the ring ceremony, are you?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
And I'm not even gonna blame Draymond Green.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
This is what you want to be, This is where
you think, This is where your name and your image
and what you want to be long term. And you're
getting away with it because your team has won four championship.
Because if they didn't, he wouldn't be in the way
with this same thing. People would look at him totally different.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I know everybody's gonna go to the Hall of Fame
because they four championships and all that. He should go
to the goon Hall of Fame, and if there isn't one,
I'll started.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
He'll be the.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
First one unanimous the goon Hall of Fame. He'll go
in before hockey players. This is absolutely ridiculous. And then
to have a clutch and try to use. Oh you're
trying to pay me as a angry black man, please,
But I'm blaming the players of the NBA. I'm pointing
(23:32):
to all of you. You are the reason that Draymond
Green continues to do what he does, which is to
not play basketball, which is trying to hurt.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
People, main people.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Whatever you want to do, Stepping on people, knocking up
people upside the head, sucker punching people.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
There's no room for that in professional basketball. Are you serious?
This ain't no hard foul or basketball play.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, he lost the ball and let me just swing
up inside the guy's head for extra.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
It's always extra.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
It's not the hamburger and the cheese, it's mayo and
mustard and Peter butter. He always wants to put extra
on it. That's the issue. But I blame the players
to allow him to.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Do this over and over and over.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Why hasn't someone stopped him and I'm that serious. When
he's attacked another player, the whole team to go and
confront Draymond and push him down or whatever it is,
and tell him, don't do that to our guys. We
will not accept it. You know how baseball police is
itself and why they don't have it, Kevin, If you're
(24:50):
a pitcher and you're throwing at somebody, dude, your guys.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Gonna get hit. Who's your star, Aaron Jarge?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
You watch and see I'm gonna throw it his I'm
gonna throw it his wrist.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
You hit one of my guys. Players have to police
the game.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
The NBA won't do anything, the Warriors won't do anything,
Joymond Green won't do anything. The other players. I can't
believe it's going on for how many years? Fifteen years,
fourteen years? Really where the guys. I wish there was
a Charles Oakley or Anthony Mason or the Davis brothers
(25:31):
in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Everybody's solved and friendly. Really, I'm yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I think what was made it disappointing for me to
go on what you're talking about right now is the
fact that he gets to do this to any and
everybody and never feel the repercussions, He gets to knock
out your start, he gets to remember he's take a
swipe on Lebron and the kewez.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah. He gets to do.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
All these things, and nobody ever said next game, telling
you now serving him a two piece of the biscuits
you as soon as the ball tips, wow, and then
that'd be that?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Did we not see that?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
With Robert Pouch and Bill Bears punch Bill as tired
and letting, slamming, Larry Bird doing this to Michale and
the minute he elbowed him. He tells the story, I
told him watch the balls. He told me shut the
blank up. Okay, okay, and Robert Pears served him up.
Doctor j served up Larry Bird. My point is that
happened when folks needed felt like they need to be.
Now here's a couple of things I want to say
(26:26):
about this. Number One, Draymond Green is absolutely right, which
is what makes this perplexing. Here's what I mean. He
is smart. He is a very well thought out person.
He's very articulate. Anytime you hear him outside of on
the court, you're like, man, this guy really knows business.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
He knows basketball. He's got it well.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Put together, speaks about social issues, talks about family, which
is why this is more perplexing that he doesn't get
why folks are concerned about what we see on the
court versus the guy who we see and here in
press conference has earned podcasts. There's a there's a there's
a distance difference between the two. Also, this, you're one
(27:08):
of one. You're the only one doing this. There's literally
no one else putting Rudy Gobert in a head in
a headline, there's literally no one else stepping.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
On that hair.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
You literally put Rudy Gobert in a w W E
sleeper hole and for no reason, for no reason, like
you ran into it. He wasn't the one you ran
to him, grabbed him and said, oh yeah, go to sleep,
go night night. And you do step on some bonis
and you slapped this person. You make it obvious, you're
not disguising. A bunch of other guys are doing this
and this is just.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
The era of the league. You're one of one.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
There's literally not a single other person going on like
this is the only other person who can be an antagonizer.
But he's not as physical as this. His is more
annoying here's the more getting your face his his more
clapping your face, that kind of thing. You're literally stomping, stepping, punching,
choking out people. And here's what other point that ST's
me about this, Rob Parker, You know this. There are
(28:03):
still things that are happening in his country to black
people that are not right. There are still things that
we go through that are not correct. There's still challenges,
still polite, still burdens, yet we persevere.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And for him to use that in an.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Instance where he literally has created the thing is bothersome.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
He's too smart and he knows better.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
And maybe he was in the heat that maybe he
was mad in the moment, frustrated and that's not exactly
what he meant, and he'll come out, but he is
too smart to know you have created this because you
literally are the only one in the NBA doing this. Literally,
there's no one else doing this. And this is you
putting extra stuff on things, extra sauce on flailing, slapping
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people in the face, and to tied into the angry
black man. I don't like that because there is a
person right now, there's a black man, there's a black
woman on their job, who are dealing with microaggressions, who
are going through things and are scared to speak up
because they don't want to be perceived as what the
angry black man are black woman real.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Issues and you're not saying you are right, So not.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
On the national stage punching, stepping, choking people and then
being perplexed while folks are like, man and nobody's calling
you an angry black man.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
What they're saying is you're doing too much on the card.
Why are you so aggressive with people? Why are you
continually trying to hurt people?
Speaker 4 (29:21):
And what?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
And that's my thing.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
This is literally problematic to the tune of its hurt
your team to where they were excited just the second
half a couple of games ago. They were excited that
he calmed down. Literally, Steve Currs like, we're great, that
he controlled himself. So the idea now that people are
trying to paint you is something. No, they're painting you
what you are in the current era of basketball. If
this was circa nineteen eighty eight, you'd be perfectly fine.
(29:44):
You fit right in. This was circa nineteen ninety four,
and you were a nick, you were a piston, you
were a Miami heat player.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You fit right out where we are.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
We're in twenty twenty five, and you're the only one
doing this literally, so it's obvious to see you stand out.
So it's not like we had to. It is putting you.
You're literally the only one doing this regularly, whether it
be regular season, playoffs, finals, you've done it all and
that's what people are calling you about.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I can't speak to what it allegedly a fan might
have said. If a fan called him something, he's frustrated
a fan. That's between the fan and I happened last night.
We're talking about the text. We're talking about the multiple texts.
We're talking about the fact again during a couple of
games ago, they stole the ball from your half court,
you flared your arm, punched him in the face. These
are the things that we're talking about. And ain't got
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nothing to do with you black because if.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
You were white.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Give you an example, Grayson Allen. What did we say
about Grayson Allen? Dirty bush? What's going on? Because he
was tripping people, he was elbowing people's doing stuff in college.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
He called him out.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
So Draymond is too smart to try to make this
a black thing because I know I've been through stuff
you've been Is.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
That the angry black man when he sucker punches teammate
Jordan Poole?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Right? Was that was that somebody payton him in a
bad light?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Come on, man, so don't use that because there are
people who really have have to speak on that. And
you almost becomes the crying woolf when you just use
it any other time, because I know, we called Grayson
Allen out for being dirty all the time because he
was doing it was dirty. People called Bill Lambill out
for doing what they hated him. So, dude, there's been
plenty of people in this sport and other sports who
people feel due too much or going to extra mile,
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putting a little extra sauce on it. And it is
And this is one of the rare times I can say, yes, dog,
this isn't a black thing, and please don't use that
for when it really is something like that and it
matters and people go there they go again because that
stuff is real for people in other facets.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
This ain't that you've created this
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