May 17, 2025 • 33 mins
Rob and Kelvin argue whether the Kansas City Chiefs deserve to get a league-high 8 primetime games next season, explain why they would not vote Pete Rose into the Baseball Hall of Fame even after he was posthumously reinstated by Rob Manfred, and debate whether Caleb Williams and his camp were correct when they suggested that the NFL do away with the NFL Draft system.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Seth Wickersham one of the great investigative reporters and authors
of this generation. He's gotten deep dives on the Patriots,
as you know, had a big bombshell on the Pete
Carrolls and the Seahawks with Russell Wilson, while his latest one,
he's had a book coming out focusing on the quote
American Kings, a biography of the quarterback focuses on a
series of quarterbacks and their histories and what's going on.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Behind closed doors.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
One of the expert excerpts that's getting a lot of
attention today involves Caleb Williams, the franchise quarterback of Chicago Bears.
According to Wickersham, and the best part is he's got
quotes on the record from both Caleb Williams and his father.
But according to Wickersham, Kayla was so concerned about being
picked by the Bears first overall that he and his
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family weighed circumventing the entire NFL draft, consulting with lawyers
to figure out a way around the least CBA, and
also included the idea of skipping the draft altogether and
signing with the UFL instead. According to Wickersham, Kaylab really
wanted to play for the Minnesota Vikings, didn't want to
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play for the Bears, didn't think that that was the
franchise that would get his career in the right trajectory,
and according to Wickersham in this book, one of the
big reasons why they even attempted to do this, which
I obviously didn't, was because Caleb Williams, his dad Carl,
and everybody else in their camp have a fundamental distaste
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for the NFL draft process, the rookie wat scale, so
on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
The only thing I want to say, Kelvin, I'll let
you go first, as I agree the rookie a wage
scale is a sham, and the players sold the other
players up the river that I agree with them.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Yeah, I mean you can add that to the list
of a couple of things. I can understand the pay scale. Again,
It's one of those few things in life where I
thought it was a meritocracy. I thought it was, you know,
capitalistic society. Somebody for everybody else's capitalism.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And the players were dumb enough. And I say that
with all seriousness any player. The NBA did it too,
to the rookies and the one year and all that,
like they like, they wore sold this whole idea. It's
not fair that you're gonna pay these guys and play
one down.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
If I'm worth it, I'm worth it.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yes, And if you don't think they're worth it, don't
pay them.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I don't know where people get this. Well, well, I
mean people are drafting these high school don't draft them. Well, well,
I don't want to pay a rook then he ain't
that guy?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Or off from what did?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
What did did Dallas Mavericks just do? They said we
was right? And what is the super half fifty? We're
not paying him? What did the Sacramental Kings? Do Marcus
Cousins get on him paying him? It happens you don't
have to do this. But so that part of it,
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I'll say this, I completely understand. So I think the
challenge to me is when I can see why Caleb
and his father, and if you don't know anything about them,
they've been at this since he was a literal kid.
If you kind of know the history of him and
his father, they have mapped this entire thing out. This
isn't a oh he just happened to be good at
football and Gi Golli, shucks, how do we get here?
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They have mapped this out professionally, even while he was
in high school, even while he was in college. The
reason why they go to USC, the reason why they
stay another year at time, like they have mapped this
thing out literally to the teams and the way he's
done his nil they have everything measured. They don't want
certain money, they don't want certain companies, they want equity,
they don't want companies they don't believe in. So I
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had to do some things for them with this LA
Times today show that I'm doing. They are really about this.
Now I go there to say this.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Because I mentioned how into this they are, how orchestrated
this is.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I can see why this is then frustrating.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
If we've been orchestrating this since pee wee football and
now things are already predestined. And the reason why I
can understand why that will be frustrating rob is because
it's the only profession where if you're literally the best
at what you do, you don't have a choice or
say in your destiny. And what I mean by that is,
if you are coming out of med school and you're
projected to be the best doctor, whether you have the
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pick of the litter, what hospital do I want to
work at? If you are coming out of law school
and you have the pick of the litter, or which
law firm do you want to go to? This is
the one time in life for a profession you're the
best of the best, your heisman winner and you in
this one team who clearly was bad has landed you
and now your destiny at least part of it is
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in their hands. And that I can understand will be
frustrating for someone who has orchestrated and put everything into
their life and career to get to this point where well,
I have to go here? What if where you're going?
It's not about business and not about the business of winning.
We sometimes forget some teams are a okay making money, Hey,
we try to win a little bit, but hey, we
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ain't going this far. We're not gonna do all of this.
We're not gonna buy into the system. We're gonna try
to win a little bit. But if it don't work,
we made fifty We made one hundred million dollars just
by being a team in the NFL this year.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And your legacy can also be tied to a bad team.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
And you go to a team for five, six, seven,
eight years and they're a team that doesn't want to win,
team that doesn't want to be about resources. And now
we look at you as a less than quarterback. You're
not that great. You were okay, or you were men.
And last point I'll make too is rob the Chicago
Bears of one or two teams in the entire n
who have what, never had a quarterback who has thrown
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for over four thousand yards. Right, So I can see
why you'll be worried going into that. This team has
not been great offensively and specifically with quarterbacks. The other team,
you know who that is the Jets, who have also
struggled over the years. And I can see why a
team and a father would be concerned with that. So
I'm not the draft process is the draft process. It
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is what it is, but apprehension, concern and one of
them maybe try to do something different. I can see
why the Williams would want to do that.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Well, they talk a big game.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
If they didn't want to do that, he shouldn't have
gone to the draft. Okay, that's the only way you
break that. So I think it's total BS and poppy Cups.
Don't take your name out of the draft.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Refuse to go. If you want to revolt against.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
The draft, that's the only way you break it. It's
a part of the collecting bargaining agreement. And the other
part is which is a cop out and BS is
that you're talking about doctors and lawyers. I'm the top
of my class. I could go wherever I want. Where's
the competition factor? The reason that the best players are
going to the worst teams is because we don't want
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to repeat of what we saw in the fifties and
sixties when the Yankees, the Green Bay Packers, the Montreal Canadians,
and the Boston Celtics won every year.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
That's not what we want.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Where the good teams keep getting the good players and nobody.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Else can compete. That's why the leagues.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
When some of the great teams are those eras, they
didn't sell out. Go look at what the attendances were
when the Celtics won all those championships. Guess what their
attendance went down. People saw it already. It was no competition.
Go look it up. They didn't sell out every night,
and they didn't you would think winning all those championships
it would.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Be a packed house. You need competition.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
That's the only reason why I believe in the draft system,
because good players can turn the fortunes around, and that's
what you want in a competitive league. If you're a doctor,
you're not competing against other doctors. If you're a lawyer,
there's no competition. But when you're in the league. Just
like people tried to talk Joe Burrow out of going
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to Cincinnati, and guess what he did. Instead of being
a part of the problem, he became a part of
the solution and on his talent. Even though they didn't
win the Super Bowl, his talent went to the next level.
And you look at Joe Burrow differently than other quarterbacks
because the Bengals hadn't been able to get there. They
have been zero to seven in their previous seven playoff games.
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He shows up in year two after being hurt in
year one, and what did he do? Takes them to
the super Bowl. That's what you can get as a
young player, and you can't manipulate.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Going to a good team. Is going to a good
team to go into the.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Cowboys twelve and three, three, twelve and twelve and four,
five to five, like three years in a row or
whatever they were, and they having one of them do
the NFC Championship game. They won twelve games, right, the
Packers win twelve games eleven games every year. They haven't
been since twenty ten. The Steelers are a good organization.
They haven't gone. So how do you pick? You can't pick,
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and you can try to finagle and figure it out.
That's why I think it's bs. If they were really
serious about this, and I'm not mad at them, if
they really wanted to take the challenge and break the draft.
But the only way you do that is when the
top pick and the top picks refuse to go along
with it. That's how you get things done. You could
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talk until you're blue in the face. But they took
the money, and they took the draft status, and they
walked across the stage. So to me, it's just talk
because it can be broken. But you gotta be willing
in order to make real change in the world. You
have to have a sacrifice. And if people aren't willing
to sacrifice, that's why things stay the same. It's that simple.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
But I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
But I think what we're reading it is simply the
thought process that went into their decisions, and I again
completely can understand why they would consider these things.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
See, a lot of what you said is is like
if you're going to the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I don't think this was about where the cherry pick
where I can go and specifically, Oh I want to
go to some already great team, I want to back
up Patrick Mahomes or something. I think this was about
where I only team I don't one of the only
things I don't want to go to that has had
a bad history.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
If he didn't want to go there, what could he
have done?
Speaker 5 (10:27):
I mean, well he could have done if he was
in a situation like that, or like a Kyler Murray,
guy who played baseball. You know, uh huh, John Elway,
I have this other option.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
I'll go play baseball.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Archie Manning was in there finagling for for pay Eli
so that he wouldn't have to go play for the Chargers.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I believe it was at that time.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
So my yeah, My point is I can see why
they would consider it, not that they had to do it,
but why it would be a big deal behind the
scenes of man, I don't want my son to go
somewhere that has been horrible.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I think it's bs to just talk about it.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
That's how you become a legend when you turn other
teams around, not going Kevin Durant doesn't get the credit
that he deserves because he went to a team that won,
even though he was the Finals MVP, right, and he
doesn't get the credit. So going to a team that's
already in place or whatever, that's not gonna get you
what you're looking for the glory is to go to Chicago.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I don't agree at all. I don't agree at all.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Put me in a stable situation that has shown the
formula to succeed so we can continue to do that.
If I've had an organization that's been around since like
nineteen oh five and you've never had a quarterback throw
for four thousand yards.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Players that wanted to go to the Chicago Cubs when
they finally won a championship, and what did that have
to do with them? They were good and guess what
they did they won a championship. Or the Red Sox
that went eighty eight years without eighty three years without
winning a championship, and guess what those players who showed
up did they won.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
I mean, come on, nobody said no, you don't have to.
You're not the single person who has to do that.
If I'm going to an organization that has failed and
my legacy is tied to that, I can see why
there will be apprehension. Absolutely, especially when you're the best
at what you do. I completely see that at all.
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Speaker 3 (12:27):
The schedule is out now across the league, everybody's getting theirs.
And now, as you guys know, we talked to plenty
of football players, both past and current. The first thing
that they used They look at is number one, once
you buy and number two, how many primetime games we got?
Because that's one thing they're very excited about. Everybody wants
to show up and show out on Monday Night, on
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Sunday Night, so on and so forth. Well, the Kansas
City Chiefs, the New America's team mark, are now the
first team in NFL history to receive five prime time
games in their first eight weeks of the season. They
got the Chargers in Brazil. We talked about that, Giant
Sunday Night, Jags Monday Night, Lions Sunday Night, Commanders Monday Night.
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Oh yeah, and they're also playing on Thanksgiving and Christmas.
So basically half of the Chiefs games this season will
be in some kind of primetime spotlighted game.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Rob Parker, your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
The NFL needs to stop living in the past. The
Kansas City Chiefs are the worst watch in the NFL.
And you'll say, well, what about Tennessee, what about some
of the other teams like that?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
There there were no.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Where they are now compared to what we first started
watching the Chiefs, these games are unwatchable.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Project maumes no vertical. He not throwing the ball.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Downfield, dinking dunks, throwing interceptions every game and for the
Chiefs by three points.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Because the other team made a mistake on mister field goal.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
That's how they win the game. It's not a Patrick
Mahome seventy five yard bomb. It'd be different if we
didn't see that from the beginning. Do you get my
point on why did a worst watch? Literally, I'd rather
watch reruns of Gilligan's Island.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
But you really would, though I would, You actually would
enjoy that. It's the point I mean.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
The Chiefs their games are terrible nineteen to seventeen, and
they used to, but they blow people out forty to
fifty points. You were like, wow, that's why everybody hook
line and sinkerhole. Patrick Mahomes is going to be the goat? Really,
have you watched the last two years? The NFL's living
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in the past. They think they still have Seinfeld ratings.
No they don't. This is not Seinfeld. This is cringe Feld.
That's what this is. Because you cringe when you watch
the Chiefs. You go it's Patrick Mahomes. Really this bad?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I thought he was gonna be the goat. He's not.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Andy Reid. You thought he was offensive genius. Those aren't plays.
That's a Denny's menu. That's why they can't score any
runs an he points and I go. You know me times,
I'm like, I clear my Monday night schedule to watch
this garbage. My TV stinks when I'm watching the Chiefs game.
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That's how bad it is. The NFL has blown again
by delivering all these games to the Chiefs. They're not
worth it. They're the chefs, not the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Boy. That's why I'm glad I'm here, Elijah, to bring
some sanity today.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
That's why it's called the Eye Couple, because somebody gotta
be on the other side of this absurdness that you're
saying right now now, I do agree with you.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
That the Chiefs ain't chiefing like they used to.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Okay, the Chiefs ain't given it with like you mentioned
Pat Mahomes forty five touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I'll give you that.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
However, you are generally rewarded in life when you've been successful.
You are successful, people will give you some slack. So
the slack is being given. Hey, Kansas City Chiefs, you
weren't necessarily as exciting, but you have been very exciting
for us for all these years, and one of the
most fun teams to watch for the first handful of
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years of this.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid run. Therefore you're being rewarded.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Also, Rob Parker, mister facts over feelings, let me present
something to you. Twenty five and a half million viewers
per game last year, making them the most watched team
in the league, and they have been right there for
the last handful of years. So people are watching them
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because they either love them. He's exciting, maybe they do
want the old Patrick Mahomes, or they're hate watching them.
I agree some people are hate watching them. And you
mentioned he might not be the goat, Well, he is
on his way to potentially be the goat. And you
know what else the goat used to do, Tom Brady.
He was the king of the Deacon Dunks. All he
threw was three yard slants to pick a small receiver
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Amon Doola Wes Welker. That's all he did. So he
did the same thing for years and was awarded successful championships,
high ratings.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
People watching the Patriots, they hate watching them. It didn't
matter they watch.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
So I also think the league knows Rob, they're gonna
be on a revenge tour. They're about to go zero
dollar thirties. They didn't have a sheer right, He'll be
backing healthy. He was ball in the first few weeks
before he got injured. Here we go, Worthy Brown selling
this whole thing.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
And have you watched behind you? Have you watched only interceptions?
Like have his receivers his best receiver was not there
because there was a rest receivering through to the other team.
Is that what happened?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
So he threw to the other team because not to
the guy who was running to play great players make
anybody who come in. That used to be Tom Brady's
claim to fame. They got a guy from Duncan donut to.
Now he's catching passes from Tom Brady, right, Okay, So
Patrick Mahomes, shouldn't that be the same case if he's
supposedly some goat.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
He and he absolutely tuned to the tune of fifteen
and two, Rob Boy. If I let you tell it,
and I just failed from Mars, I would think the
Chiefs were two and fifteen.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
The only make it to the reason, the only reason
that the Chiefs get good ratings is exactly what the
NFL just did. They give them all the prime time slots.
So that's when people watch the games on the big nights.
If you give them what today opening night right from
where they Brazil.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
That's the start of football.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You're not gonna get monster ratings the first night of
a real football game after eight months, I don't get
who's playing.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
If I put on a Monday Night at times the
Jags inc or they're not the first night.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
That first night is first night. I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna hurt first night.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
But if I put the Jags on the Monday night
Jags Bears, that Monday night is not gonna draw, like
if I.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Put Chiefs Eagles. Okay, now, you you work on television.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
You got a TV job during the day, So let
me explain the ratings to you and help you out.
Even the New York Football Giants average twenty one million
viewers a game.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
You know why not because it was good footballer.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
They wanted to see Danny Dimes and and those other guys.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
It's because they had five primetime games.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
It's nothing. It's about the schedule where you are in
the game. More so, tell me the Giants were not
pathetic last year that.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I was glad you said that Rodney one million.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
They literally live in a city with twenty one thirty
million people. That's why they did numbers, it's eight million
people and then to a football team.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Okay, that's the literal city.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Everybody, don't do that round New York City, the metropolitan
New York area by y'all. Y'all New Yorkers, y'all like
to separate one minute? Is all we all together?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Babe? New York City? Then it's not not only this
borough four million people? Make up your mind? Is in
New York City all of y'all? Or is it just
a borough one of the five boroughs? Boy? I tell
you eight million people in New York.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
You know, the metro areas like thirty million people, just
like La Los Angeles might have four million people in
the city. The Greater Los Angeles area is like twenty
million people, eight million million.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I think LA has five because eight Philly has uh
what is it?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And then Chicagoago yeah? And then I mean in the
city limity. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Because when you start looking up what people don't even
understand when you talk about eight million in New York,
Boston only has like six hundred thousand people in Boston
propers yep, six hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
That's what makes it crazy. Detroit only has four hundred
thousand in the city problem.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
You know, Detroit is the only metropolic big city in
America to ever go over a million people in population
and in and go under.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
What never happened? Right? Because you yeah, you you're thriving.
You're just moving on up. Thank you, Detroit.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
No.
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Speaker 3 (21:34):
Major League Baseball, Ron Manfred dropped a surprising hammer or
lifted a hammer, However, we want to look at it
on Pete Rose because his lifetime ban has officially been lifted.
Of course, there are others, but the biggest name is
Pete Rose. According to Rob Manfred, the decision was made
because he decided that a lifetime band should only apply
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when someone is alive, and how that Pete Rose is
no longer with us. He has been reinstated by Major
League Baseball and as a result, will be eligible for
the Pro Baseball Hall of Fame in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Shoeless Joe Jackson, You know what the year he died,
I don't know the year he died. Nineteen fifty one,
now all of a sudden, did you get my point?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Yeah, if he was.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Been dead for a long time, they want to say, hey,
we should take him off the list. He's obviously not dead,
so he shouldn't be okay, But this was about Pete Rose,
and to make it so that you weren't being special
to him, you're throwing other people who have long passed.
It doesn't it doesn't make any sense. And I'm just
gonna say this, I'm not buying into Baseball's premise that
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you should lift a lifetime ban because somebody died. If
Pete Rose doesn't fit to be in the Hall of
Fame when he's alive, he shouldn't fit to be in
the Hall of Fame when he's dead. It's just that simple.
And all the people would you guys stop. He was
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a great player. We all know he was a great player.
That's not even a Charlie Hustle, the Hick King. He
was on a big red machine, the last National League
team to win back to back. Chap I could go
on and on and on about his accomplishments. He broke
the cardinal rule of baseball, which still applies even with
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League of Life gambling around as a player, you cannot
bet on baseball. People go all gambling now, and no,
a player cannot. Here's the other thing, Well, he was
a manager and that shouldn't count on him because of
the player. Guess what, Peete Rose was a player manager.
He gambled when he was a player manager stopping he
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was a player. I'm a manager. And here's the other thing.
You're a gambler. So you're gonna sit here and tell
me all these people, Well, Peen Rohl.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Never madnn red l Loo, he never bet against the Reds.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Really, Kelvin, you're you're the You're Pete Rose, and your
your starter's been terrible his last two to three starts.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
You know you don't have it. I'm gonna go like.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Oh, I can't. This is obvious, Bety. This guy's gonna
get lit up, but I'm not gonna better. Really, that's
not what gamblers do. They go after short things. If
you know, this guy is terrible. The idea that throughout
all of is Pete jeopardizing the integrity of the game,
jeopardizing his Hall of Fame status.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
You know this.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Because you've been in the big league clubhouse. The biggest
sign on the wall He talks about what gambling and
what will happen to you if you're caught gambling on
the game. Stop trying to rewrite history or change things.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
When people die.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
If somebody was a bad person when they were alive,
guess what, they're a bad person when they die. You
could still appreciate his talent. The Hall of fame should
be for extraordinary people who did extraordinary things in the
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sport and who followed the rules. That's really what it
should be. Pete roses to blame for why he's in
the situation that he was in while he was alive,
because he refused to come clean. Does this country not
embrace comeback stories? Pete, we caught you. I'm sorry, I apologize.
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I'm going to Gambler's anonymous. I'm gonna talk to kids
and college kids about the dangers of gambling.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Whatever. I'll do, whatever we need to do.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I'll take my suspension, bring back, get myself together, and
I won't.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Bet on baseball anymore. He couldn't do it. That's why
we're here.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
But for baseball to even open up this box, what
is a lifetime ban? If you lift it, it doesn't
even make sense like it should never be lifted. And
I know he's dead, but he should not even have
that opportunity for them to put it on the table
for people to do the wrong thing, which I believe
could happen.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
There's there, there's so much. I mean, you hit on,
you touched on all the right things. I think that
what makes this interesting for me. I went to they
did a great thing on the athletic and they interviewed
a bunch of older players, guys who are you know,
hall of famers from different areas fifty sixty, seventy eighty,
so on and so forth, and got their opinion. And
you would think that maybe because they know all of
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them said I played again, and some here I was
a teammate or I was his former manager, And all
of them said, if we're going based off just the
merit of your skill, that's.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Not a question.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
But I was actually shocked Rob how many of them
were like nah, because of the integrity game and watch this.
One of them went on to talk about how many
of his own teammates were upset with him to present
day Johnny.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Bench Uh brock.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Uh Rock whom I missing brock Uh.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
You know, I find it.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
They were saying that they went and talked to them
separately like yo, and they were like man.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
He lied.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
He lied to me. We were ready to have his back.
He didn't do it, and then we were still trying
to have his back. He never showed any contrition. He
never showed that he cared. He never showed that he
was willing to, you know, make it wrong for Joe Morgan.
Joe Morgan was one. It was a handful of his
own teammates. I'll find it to get here. But who
were saying even they you would think they will be
the ones championing him, and they were upset. And that's
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part of this to me, that's the big part is
that sometimes in life there's a moment when someone is
willing to bend the rule or change the rule, or
say we're gonna make an exception, and for him to
go on for decades and not apologize, say I didn't
do it, then say I did it, but only because
I want to sell a book, but then only going
because I want to sign They talk about it in
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his article writing on Baseball's you know what he could do?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Audi guy our bet on baseball for money.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
I bet on baseball and you're making a mockery of this.
So on the one end, if you wanted to like man,
you can't tell the story of baseball without him.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
He so good. Well, he's forcing their hands because even
if they.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Wanted to say, and somebody also needed talks about how
they had to sit down with Baseball that the commissioner
at the time, they say, look, and there was a
moment where they were saying, we're not gonna say we're
gonna let you in, but just work with us kind
of a thing.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
And he just couldn't do it. Do you think, and
this is what people don't get. You think baseball doesn't
want it. It's all time hit leader Pete Charlie Charlie Hustle.
He was a great player and a great team too,
on the great one of the greatest teams in baseball history.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
And you stop it.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
They don't win by not having Pete Rose in the
Hall of Fame. Now Pete Rose, all of his accomplishments
are in the Hall of Fame. It's not like he's
white washed out of there. But the sport doesn't gain
anything by not having Pete Rose in it.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Or you guess what makes this bad is that it's twofold.
The league is trying, and I almost feel like they're
being petty. I said this yesterday when it broke. I said,
I feel like they're being petty in that he just
died a half for it, two three months ago, whatever it.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Was, and they immediately do this. To me, that's a spit.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
That was a slap in the face of like, you know,
we we literally waited till you died shoeing Joe Jackson
here in fifty sixty seven, eighty years on nineteen fifty
nineteen fifty one, the minute you died, Pete Rose, that
was a to me, is slapping the fay Bam, we're
gonna do this.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
We just waited.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Until you died to make this because we could have
tried to do it last year, five years ago, ten
years ago. No, we gonna wait till you die, and
the minute you did, let's make this happen. So to me,
that was a slap in the face to him saying
we tried. You had opportunities to make it right, make good,
you didn't, And so to me, I think you're just
better off letting me move on because you just and
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out again. Reading this this article, so many former players
are torn. So many former managers are torn. They're like, man,
the guy, the player, it's not even a question. He
was a man, the best of.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
These nobody if it's just on your play the villainy right.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
But they're like, dude, this is the game I love,
This is the game I played, and you hurt the integrity.
This other guy saying, man, I just I don't want
a guy who never came out and it was fourth
right and was contrite and tried to chow contrition and
change the game, and someone else said they had an
opportunity to.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
He could have joined in.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I guess the biggest thing that really hurt him, they
were saying, was that he didn't get to participate in
the game because they were one of the smartest players
they've ever seen, and he didn't get to help grow
the game with the young players where you see other
guys get to be is still part of the game.
So even if I'm not in the Hall of Fame,
I was kicked out of the sport as a whole.
And they were saying that hurt him maybe more because maybe, okay, fine,
you already know I'm a Hall of Famer, so maybe
I'm not officially on the list, but I couldn't participate,
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I couldn't be a part of a team. I couldn't
teach guys, I couldn't come, you know, just that all exactly,
And I just think it's just a terrible situation that
there's so many learning lessons for all of us. In
our last point I'll make and I keep bringing this up,
is because I look at a guy like Mike Vick
who did all the right things, went learned about himself.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
What's up with me? Why?
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Why did I think this was okay? I know culturally
certain places do it, but it's not all right? What
is it about me that?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
You know? What do I need to learn?
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Work with Peter, and by all accounts has been just
an amazing guy, amazing figuring, has grown as a human being,
has been contrite, shown contrition, And I think that's an
example of what could have been if Pete Rose were
exercised his demons and now here we are we to me,
they slapped him in the face and said he's dead,
all right, bam, now you're eligible.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
It's it's it's a mockery of the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
To me, it really is, because because he was unfit alive,
and now you're saying that later.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Where you had some reflection and things changed, ideology change,
the amnity died right what Chang.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Small invited p Roles, which with a lifetime band wasn't
supposed to happen to the twenty fifteen All Star Game
in Cincinnati. They were doing that year the mount rushmore
of every team, and they couldn't do the Reds with
our pros like they they even said, like there's no
way we could present the four greatest players of the
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Cincinnati Reds and not bring people. And since Pete is
from Cincinnati, Cincinnati bought.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
It's a great story. Absolutely, story great Joe, you grew
up in Cincinnati. He become the greatest player I ever
played that, you know. I mean the documentary on him
was great, came out of the players back great.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Absolutely, But in this case, I think baseball it didn't
need to do this. I don't know what the rush was.
And then to throw away and shoeless Joe and other
people try to make it like hey, anybody else with
some gambling mercy, anybody anybody else who's been dead for
seventy years.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
I didn't like it well of it, and now it
really starts to be a conversation about what are you
gonna do with like steroid guys?
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Is it the minute they're dead?
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Is there some type of You're starting to soften up
your stance a little bit? Now, what does this mean
for those who are indicted with steroids or whether that
we literally know or we kind of.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
The cloud hangs around them.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
As you know, I have a vote, and if he's
eligibly vote, I do.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Have a vote. Well, yeah, what are you gonna do?
I'm not voting for him.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Seth Wickersham one of the great investigative reporters and authors
of this generation. He's gotten deep dives on the Patriots,
as you know, had a big bombshell on the Pete
Carrolls and the Seahawks with Russell Wilson, while his latest one,
he's had a book coming out focusing on the quote
American Kings, a biography of the quarterback focuses on a
series of quarterbacks and their histories and what's going on.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Behind closed doors.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
One of the expert excerpts that's getting a lot of
attention today involves Caleb Williams, the franchise quarterback of Chicago Bears.
According to Wickersham, and the best part is he's got
quotes on the record from both Caleb Williams and his father.
But according to Wickersham, Kayla was so concerned about being
picked by the Bears first overall that he and his
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family weighed circumventing the entire NFL draft, consulting with lawyers
to figure out a way around the least CBA, and
also included the idea of skipping the draft altogether and
signing with the UFL instead. According to Wickersham, Kaylab really
wanted to play for the Minnesota Vikings, didn't want to
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play for the Bears, didn't think that that was the
franchise that would get his career in the right trajectory,
and according to Wickersham in this book, one of the
big reasons why they even attempted to do this, which
I obviously didn't, was because Caleb Williams, his dad Carl,
and everybody else in their camp have a fundamental distaste
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for the NFL draft process, the rookie wat scale, so
on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
The only thing I want to say, Kelvin, I'll let
you go first, as I agree the rookie a wage
scale is a sham, and the players sold the other
players up the river that I agree with them.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Yeah, I mean you can add that to the list
of a couple of things. I can understand the pay scale. Again,
It's one of those few things in life where I
thought it was a meritocracy. I thought it was, you know,
capitalistic society. Somebody for everybody else's capitalism.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And the players were dumb enough. And I say that
with all seriousness any player. The NBA did it too,
to the rookies and the one year and all that,
like they like, they wore sold this whole idea. It's
not fair that you're gonna pay these guys and play
one down.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
If I'm worth it, I'm worth it.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yes, And if you don't think they're worth it, don't
pay them.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I don't know where people get this. Well, well, I
mean people are drafting these high school don't draft them. Well, well,
I don't want to pay a rook then he ain't
that guy?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Or off from what did?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
What did did Dallas Mavericks just do? They said we
was right? And what is the super half fifty? We're
not paying him? What did the Sacramental Kings? Do Marcus
Cousins get on him paying him? It happens you don't
have to do this. But so that part of it,
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I'll say this, I completely understand. So I think the
challenge to me is when I can see why Caleb
and his father, and if you don't know anything about them,
they've been at this since he was a literal kid.
If you kind of know the history of him and
his father, they have mapped this entire thing out. This
isn't a oh he just happened to be good at
football and Gi Golli, shucks, how do we get here?
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They have mapped this out professionally, even while he was
in high school, even while he was in college. The
reason why they go to USC, the reason why they
stay another year at time, like they have mapped this
thing out literally to the teams and the way he's
done his nil they have everything measured. They don't want
certain money, they don't want certain companies, they want equity,
they don't want companies they don't believe in. So I
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had to do some things for them with this LA
Times today show that I'm doing. They are really about this.
Now I go there to say this.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Because I mentioned how into this they are, how orchestrated
this is.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I can see why this is then frustrating.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
If we've been orchestrating this since pee wee football and
now things are already predestined. And the reason why I
can understand why that will be frustrating rob is because
it's the only profession where if you're literally the best
at what you do, you don't have a choice or
say in your destiny. And what I mean by that is,
if you are coming out of med school and you're
projected to be the best doctor, whether you have the
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pick of the litter, what hospital do I want to
work at? If you are coming out of law school
and you have the pick of the litter, or which
law firm do you want to go to? This is
the one time in life for a profession you're the
best of the best, your heisman winner and you in
this one team who clearly was bad has landed you
and now your destiny at least part of it is
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in their hands. And that I can understand will be
frustrating for someone who has orchestrated and put everything into
their life and career to get to this point where well,
I have to go here? What if where you're going?
It's not about business and not about the business of winning.
We sometimes forget some teams are a okay making money, Hey,
we try to win a little bit, but hey, we
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ain't going this far. We're not gonna do all of this.
We're not gonna buy into the system. We're gonna try
to win a little bit. But if it don't work,
we made fifty We made one hundred million dollars just
by being a team in the NFL this year.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And your legacy can also be tied to a bad team.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
And you go to a team for five, six, seven,
eight years and they're a team that doesn't want to win,
team that doesn't want to be about resources. And now
we look at you as a less than quarterback. You're
not that great. You were okay, or you were men.
And last point I'll make too is rob the Chicago
Bears of one or two teams in the entire n
who have what, never had a quarterback who has thrown
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for over four thousand yards. Right, So I can see
why you'll be worried going into that. This team has
not been great offensively and specifically with quarterbacks. The other team,
you know who that is the Jets, who have also
struggled over the years. And I can see why a
team and a father would be concerned with that. So
I'm not the draft process is the draft process. It
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is what it is, but apprehension, concern and one of
them maybe try to do something different. I can see
why the Williams would want to do that.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Well, they talk a big game.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
If they didn't want to do that, he shouldn't have
gone to the draft. Okay, that's the only way you
break that. So I think it's total BS and poppy Cups.
Don't take your name out of the draft.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Refuse to go. If you want to revolt against.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
The draft, that's the only way you break it. It's
a part of the collecting bargaining agreement. And the other
part is which is a cop out and BS is
that you're talking about doctors and lawyers. I'm the top
of my class. I could go wherever I want. Where's
the competition factor? The reason that the best players are
going to the worst teams is because we don't want
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to repeat of what we saw in the fifties and
sixties when the Yankees, the Green Bay Packers, the Montreal Canadians,
and the Boston Celtics won every year.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
That's not what we want.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Where the good teams keep getting the good players and nobody.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Else can compete. That's why the leagues.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
When some of the great teams are those eras, they
didn't sell out. Go look at what the attendances were
when the Celtics won all those championships. Guess what their
attendance went down. People saw it already. It was no competition.
Go look it up. They didn't sell out every night,
and they didn't you would think winning all those championships
it would.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Be a packed house. You need competition.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
That's the only reason why I believe in the draft system,
because good players can turn the fortunes around, and that's
what you want in a competitive league. If you're a doctor,
you're not competing against other doctors. If you're a lawyer,
there's no competition. But when you're in the league. Just
like people tried to talk Joe Burrow out of going
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to Cincinnati, and guess what he did. Instead of being
a part of the problem, he became a part of
the solution and on his talent. Even though they didn't
win the Super Bowl, his talent went to the next level.
And you look at Joe Burrow differently than other quarterbacks
because the Bengals hadn't been able to get there. They
have been zero to seven in their previous seven playoff games.
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He shows up in year two after being hurt in
year one, and what did he do? Takes them to
the super Bowl. That's what you can get as a
young player, and you can't manipulate.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Going to a good team. Is going to a good
team to go into the.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Cowboys twelve and three, three, twelve and twelve and four,
five to five, like three years in a row or
whatever they were, and they having one of them do
the NFC Championship game. They won twelve games, right, the
Packers win twelve games eleven games every year. They haven't
been since twenty ten. The Steelers are a good organization.
They haven't gone. So how do you pick? You can't pick,
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and you can try to finagle and figure it out.
That's why I think it's bs. If they were really
serious about this, and I'm not mad at them, if
they really wanted to take the challenge and break the draft.
But the only way you do that is when the
top pick and the top picks refuse to go along
with it. That's how you get things done. You could
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talk until you're blue in the face. But they took
the money, and they took the draft status, and they
walked across the stage. So to me, it's just talk
because it can be broken. But you gotta be willing
in order to make real change in the world. You
have to have a sacrifice. And if people aren't willing
to sacrifice, that's why things stay the same. It's that simple.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
But I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
But I think what we're reading it is simply the
thought process that went into their decisions, and I again
completely can understand why they would consider these things.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
See, a lot of what you said is is like
if you're going to the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I don't think this was about where the cherry pick
where I can go and specifically, Oh I want to
go to some already great team, I want to back
up Patrick Mahomes or something. I think this was about
where I only team I don't one of the only
things I don't want to go to that has had
a bad history.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
If he didn't want to go there, what could he
have done?
Speaker 5 (10:27):
I mean, well he could have done if he was
in a situation like that, or like a Kyler Murray,
guy who played baseball. You know, uh huh, John Elway,
I have this other option.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
I'll go play baseball.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Archie Manning was in there finagling for for pay Eli
so that he wouldn't have to go play for the Chargers.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I believe it was at that time.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
So my yeah, My point is I can see why
they would consider it, not that they had to do it,
but why it would be a big deal behind the
scenes of man, I don't want my son to go
somewhere that has been horrible.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I think it's bs to just talk about it.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
That's how you become a legend when you turn other
teams around, not going Kevin Durant doesn't get the credit
that he deserves because he went to a team that won,
even though he was the Finals MVP, right, and he
doesn't get the credit. So going to a team that's
already in place or whatever, that's not gonna get you
what you're looking for the glory is to go to Chicago.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I don't agree at all. I don't agree at all.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Put me in a stable situation that has shown the
formula to succeed so we can continue to do that.
If I've had an organization that's been around since like
nineteen oh five and you've never had a quarterback throw
for four thousand yards.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Players that wanted to go to the Chicago Cubs when
they finally won a championship, and what did that have
to do with them? They were good and guess what
they did they won a championship. Or the Red Sox
that went eighty eight years without eighty three years without
winning a championship, and guess what those players who showed
up did they won.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
I mean, come on, nobody said no, you don't have to.
You're not the single person who has to do that.
If I'm going to an organization that has failed and
my legacy is tied to that, I can see why
there will be apprehension. Absolutely, especially when you're the best
at what you do. I completely see that at all.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
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Speaker 3 (12:27):
The schedule is out now across the league, everybody's getting theirs.
And now, as you guys know, we talked to plenty
of football players, both past and current. The first thing
that they used They look at is number one, once
you buy and number two, how many primetime games we got?
Because that's one thing they're very excited about. Everybody wants
to show up and show out on Monday Night, on
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Sunday Night, so on and so forth. Well, the Kansas
City Chiefs, the New America's team mark, are now the
first team in NFL history to receive five prime time
games in their first eight weeks of the season. They
got the Chargers in Brazil. We talked about that, Giant
Sunday Night, Jags Monday Night, Lions Sunday Night, Commanders Monday Night.
(13:10):
Oh yeah, and they're also playing on Thanksgiving and Christmas.
So basically half of the Chiefs games this season will
be in some kind of primetime spotlighted game.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Rob Parker, your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
The NFL needs to stop living in the past. The
Kansas City Chiefs are the worst watch in the NFL.
And you'll say, well, what about Tennessee, what about some
of the other teams like that?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
There there were no.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Where they are now compared to what we first started
watching the Chiefs, these games are unwatchable.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Project maumes no vertical. He not throwing the ball.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Downfield, dinking dunks, throwing interceptions every game and for the
Chiefs by three points.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Because the other team made a mistake on mister field goal.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
That's how they win the game. It's not a Patrick
Mahome seventy five yard bomb. It'd be different if we
didn't see that from the beginning. Do you get my
point on why did a worst watch? Literally, I'd rather
watch reruns of Gilligan's Island.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
But you really would, though I would, You actually would
enjoy that. It's the point I mean.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
The Chiefs their games are terrible nineteen to seventeen, and
they used to, but they blow people out forty to
fifty points. You were like, wow, that's why everybody hook
line and sinkerhole. Patrick Mahomes is going to be the goat? Really,
have you watched the last two years? The NFL's living
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in the past. They think they still have Seinfeld ratings.
No they don't. This is not Seinfeld. This is cringe Feld.
That's what this is. Because you cringe when you watch
the Chiefs. You go it's Patrick Mahomes. Really this bad?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I thought he was gonna be the goat. He's not.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Andy Reid. You thought he was offensive genius. Those aren't plays.
That's a Denny's menu. That's why they can't score any
runs an he points and I go. You know me times,
I'm like, I clear my Monday night schedule to watch
this garbage. My TV stinks when I'm watching the Chiefs game.
(15:54):
That's how bad it is. The NFL has blown again
by delivering all these games to the Chiefs. They're not
worth it. They're the chefs, not the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Boy. That's why I'm glad I'm here, Elijah, to bring
some sanity today.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
That's why it's called the Eye Couple, because somebody gotta
be on the other side of this absurdness that you're
saying right now now, I do agree with you.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
That the Chiefs ain't chiefing like they used to.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Okay, the Chiefs ain't given it with like you mentioned
Pat Mahomes forty five touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I'll give you that.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
However, you are generally rewarded in life when you've been successful.
You are successful, people will give you some slack. So
the slack is being given. Hey, Kansas City Chiefs, you
weren't necessarily as exciting, but you have been very exciting
for us for all these years, and one of the
most fun teams to watch for the first handful of
(16:50):
years of this.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid run. Therefore you're being rewarded.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Also, Rob Parker, mister facts over feelings, let me present
something to you. Twenty five and a half million viewers
per game last year, making them the most watched team
in the league, and they have been right there for
the last handful of years. So people are watching them
(17:15):
because they either love them. He's exciting, maybe they do
want the old Patrick Mahomes, or they're hate watching them.
I agree some people are hate watching them. And you
mentioned he might not be the goat, Well, he is
on his way to potentially be the goat. And you
know what else the goat used to do, Tom Brady.
He was the king of the Deacon Dunks. All he
threw was three yard slants to pick a small receiver
(17:37):
Amon Doola Wes Welker. That's all he did. So he
did the same thing for years and was awarded successful championships,
high ratings.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
People watching the Patriots, they hate watching them. It didn't
matter they watch.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
So I also think the league knows Rob, they're gonna
be on a revenge tour. They're about to go zero
dollar thirties. They didn't have a sheer right, He'll be
backing healthy. He was ball in the first few weeks
before he got injured. Here we go, Worthy Brown selling
this whole thing.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
And have you watched behind you? Have you watched only interceptions?
Like have his receivers his best receiver was not there
because there was a rest receivering through to the other team.
Is that what happened?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
So he threw to the other team because not to
the guy who was running to play great players make
anybody who come in. That used to be Tom Brady's
claim to fame. They got a guy from Duncan donut to.
Now he's catching passes from Tom Brady, right, Okay, So
Patrick Mahomes, shouldn't that be the same case if he's
supposedly some goat.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
He and he absolutely tuned to the tune of fifteen
and two, Rob Boy. If I let you tell it,
and I just failed from Mars, I would think the
Chiefs were two and fifteen.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
The only make it to the reason, the only reason
that the Chiefs get good ratings is exactly what the
NFL just did. They give them all the prime time slots.
So that's when people watch the games on the big nights.
If you give them what today opening night right from
where they Brazil.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
That's the start of football.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You're not gonna get monster ratings the first night of
a real football game after eight months, I don't get
who's playing.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
If I put on a Monday Night at times the
Jags inc or they're not the first night.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
That first night is first night. I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna hurt first night.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
But if I put the Jags on the Monday night
Jags Bears, that Monday night is not gonna draw, like
if I.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Put Chiefs Eagles. Okay, now, you you work on television.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
You got a TV job during the day, So let
me explain the ratings to you and help you out.
Even the New York Football Giants average twenty one million
viewers a game.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
You know why not because it was good footballer.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
They wanted to see Danny Dimes and and those other guys.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
It's because they had five primetime games.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
It's nothing. It's about the schedule where you are in
the game. More so, tell me the Giants were not
pathetic last year that.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I was glad you said that Rodney one million.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
They literally live in a city with twenty one thirty
million people. That's why they did numbers, it's eight million
people and then to a football team.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Okay, that's the literal city.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Everybody, don't do that round New York City, the metropolitan
New York area by y'all. Y'all New Yorkers, y'all like
to separate one minute? Is all we all together?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Babe? New York City? Then it's not not only this
borough four million people? Make up your mind? Is in
New York City all of y'all? Or is it just
a borough one of the five boroughs? Boy? I tell
you eight million people in New York.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
You know, the metro areas like thirty million people, just
like La Los Angeles might have four million people in
the city. The Greater Los Angeles area is like twenty
million people, eight million million.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I think LA has five because eight Philly has uh
what is it?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And then Chicagoago yeah? And then I mean in the
city limity. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Because when you start looking up what people don't even
understand when you talk about eight million in New York,
Boston only has like six hundred thousand people in Boston
propers yep, six hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
That's what makes it crazy. Detroit only has four hundred
thousand in the city problem.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
You know, Detroit is the only metropolic big city in
America to ever go over a million people in population
and in and go under.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
What never happened? Right? Because you yeah, you you're thriving.
You're just moving on up. Thank you, Detroit.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
No.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
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Speaker 3 (21:34):
Major League Baseball, Ron Manfred dropped a surprising hammer or
lifted a hammer, However, we want to look at it
on Pete Rose because his lifetime ban has officially been lifted.
Of course, there are others, but the biggest name is
Pete Rose. According to Rob Manfred, the decision was made
because he decided that a lifetime band should only apply
(21:56):
when someone is alive, and how that Pete Rose is
no longer with us. He has been reinstated by Major
League Baseball and as a result, will be eligible for
the Pro Baseball Hall of Fame in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Shoeless Joe Jackson, You know what the year he died,
I don't know the year he died. Nineteen fifty one,
now all of a sudden, did you get my point?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Yeah, if he was.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Been dead for a long time, they want to say, hey,
we should take him off the list. He's obviously not dead,
so he shouldn't be okay, But this was about Pete Rose,
and to make it so that you weren't being special
to him, you're throwing other people who have long passed.
It doesn't it doesn't make any sense. And I'm just
gonna say this, I'm not buying into Baseball's premise that
(22:51):
you should lift a lifetime ban because somebody died. If
Pete Rose doesn't fit to be in the Hall of
Fame when he's alive, he shouldn't fit to be in
the Hall of Fame when he's dead. It's just that simple.
And all the people would you guys stop. He was
(23:15):
a great player. We all know he was a great player.
That's not even a Charlie Hustle, the Hick King. He
was on a big red machine, the last National League
team to win back to back. Chap I could go
on and on and on about his accomplishments. He broke
the cardinal rule of baseball, which still applies even with
(23:36):
League of Life gambling around as a player, you cannot
bet on baseball. People go all gambling now, and no,
a player cannot. Here's the other thing, Well, he was
a manager and that shouldn't count on him because of
the player. Guess what, Peete Rose was a player manager.
He gambled when he was a player manager stopping he
(23:58):
was a player. I'm a manager. And here's the other thing.
You're a gambler. So you're gonna sit here and tell
me all these people, Well, Peen Rohl.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Never madnn red l Loo, he never bet against the Reds.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Really, Kelvin, you're you're the You're Pete Rose, and your
your starter's been terrible his last two to three starts.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
You know you don't have it. I'm gonna go like.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Oh, I can't. This is obvious, Bety. This guy's gonna
get lit up, but I'm not gonna better. Really, that's
not what gamblers do. They go after short things. If
you know, this guy is terrible. The idea that throughout
all of is Pete jeopardizing the integrity of the game,
jeopardizing his Hall of Fame status.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
You know this.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Because you've been in the big league clubhouse. The biggest
sign on the wall He talks about what gambling and
what will happen to you if you're caught gambling on
the game. Stop trying to rewrite history or change things.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
When people die.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
If somebody was a bad person when they were alive,
guess what, they're a bad person when they die. You
could still appreciate his talent. The Hall of fame should
be for extraordinary people who did extraordinary things in the
(25:37):
sport and who followed the rules. That's really what it
should be. Pete roses to blame for why he's in
the situation that he was in while he was alive,
because he refused to come clean. Does this country not
embrace comeback stories? Pete, we caught you. I'm sorry, I apologize.
(26:00):
I'm going to Gambler's anonymous. I'm gonna talk to kids
and college kids about the dangers of gambling.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Whatever. I'll do, whatever we need to do.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I'll take my suspension, bring back, get myself together, and
I won't.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Bet on baseball anymore. He couldn't do it. That's why
we're here.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
But for baseball to even open up this box, what
is a lifetime ban? If you lift it, it doesn't
even make sense like it should never be lifted. And
I know he's dead, but he should not even have
that opportunity for them to put it on the table
for people to do the wrong thing, which I believe
could happen.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
There's there, there's so much. I mean, you hit on,
you touched on all the right things. I think that
what makes this interesting for me. I went to they
did a great thing on the athletic and they interviewed
a bunch of older players, guys who are you know,
hall of famers from different areas fifty sixty, seventy eighty,
so on and so forth, and got their opinion. And
you would think that maybe because they know all of
(26:58):
them said I played again, and some here I was
a teammate or I was his former manager, And all
of them said, if we're going based off just the
merit of your skill, that's.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Not a question.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
But I was actually shocked Rob how many of them
were like nah, because of the integrity game and watch this.
One of them went on to talk about how many
of his own teammates were upset with him to present
day Johnny.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Bench Uh brock.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Uh Rock whom I missing brock Uh.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
You know, I find it.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
They were saying that they went and talked to them
separately like yo, and they were like man.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
He lied.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
He lied to me. We were ready to have his back.
He didn't do it, and then we were still trying
to have his back. He never showed any contrition. He
never showed that he cared. He never showed that he
was willing to, you know, make it wrong for Joe Morgan.
Joe Morgan was one. It was a handful of his
own teammates. I'll find it to get here. But who
were saying even they you would think they will be
the ones championing him, and they were upset. And that's
(28:01):
part of this to me, that's the big part is
that sometimes in life there's a moment when someone is
willing to bend the rule or change the rule, or
say we're gonna make an exception, and for him to
go on for decades and not apologize, say I didn't
do it, then say I did it, but only because
I want to sell a book, but then only going
because I want to sign They talk about it in
(28:22):
his article writing on Baseball's you know what he could do?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Audi guy our bet on baseball for money.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
I bet on baseball and you're making a mockery of this.
So on the one end, if you wanted to like man,
you can't tell the story of baseball without him.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
He so good. Well, he's forcing their hands because even
if they.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Wanted to say, and somebody also needed talks about how
they had to sit down with Baseball that the commissioner
at the time, they say, look, and there was a
moment where they were saying, we're not gonna say we're
gonna let you in, but just work with us kind
of a thing.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
And he just couldn't do it. Do you think, and
this is what people don't get. You think baseball doesn't
want it. It's all time hit leader Pete Charlie Charlie Hustle.
He was a great player and a great team too,
on the great one of the greatest teams in baseball history.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
And you stop it.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
They don't win by not having Pete Rose in the
Hall of Fame. Now Pete Rose, all of his accomplishments
are in the Hall of Fame. It's not like he's
white washed out of there. But the sport doesn't gain
anything by not having Pete Rose in it.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Or you guess what makes this bad is that it's twofold.
The league is trying, and I almost feel like they're
being petty. I said this yesterday when it broke. I said,
I feel like they're being petty in that he just
died a half for it, two three months ago, whatever it.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Was, and they immediately do this. To me, that's a spit.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
That was a slap in the face of like, you know,
we we literally waited till you died shoeing Joe Jackson
here in fifty sixty seven, eighty years on nineteen fifty
nineteen fifty one, the minute you died, Pete Rose, that
was a to me, is slapping the fay Bam, we're
gonna do this.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
We just waited.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Until you died to make this because we could have
tried to do it last year, five years ago, ten
years ago. No, we gonna wait till you die, and
the minute you did, let's make this happen. So to me,
that was a slap in the face to him saying
we tried. You had opportunities to make it right, make good,
you didn't, And so to me, I think you're just
better off letting me move on because you just and
(30:19):
out again. Reading this this article, so many former players
are torn. So many former managers are torn. They're like, man,
the guy, the player, it's not even a question. He
was a man, the best of.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
These nobody if it's just on your play the villainy right.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
But they're like, dude, this is the game I love,
This is the game I played, and you hurt the integrity.
This other guy saying, man, I just I don't want
a guy who never came out and it was fourth
right and was contrite and tried to chow contrition and
change the game, and someone else said they had an
opportunity to.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
He could have joined in.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I guess the biggest thing that really hurt him, they
were saying, was that he didn't get to participate in
the game because they were one of the smartest players
they've ever seen, and he didn't get to help grow
the game with the young players where you see other
guys get to be is still part of the game.
So even if I'm not in the Hall of Fame,
I was kicked out of the sport as a whole.
And they were saying that hurt him maybe more because maybe, okay, fine,
you already know I'm a Hall of Famer, so maybe
I'm not officially on the list, but I couldn't participate,
(31:12):
I couldn't be a part of a team. I couldn't
teach guys, I couldn't come, you know, just that all exactly,
And I just think it's just a terrible situation that
there's so many learning lessons for all of us. In
our last point I'll make and I keep bringing this up,
is because I look at a guy like Mike Vick
who did all the right things, went learned about himself.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
What's up with me? Why?
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Why did I think this was okay? I know culturally
certain places do it, but it's not all right? What
is it about me that?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
You know? What do I need to learn?
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Work with Peter, and by all accounts has been just
an amazing guy, amazing figuring, has grown as a human being,
has been contrite, shown contrition, And I think that's an
example of what could have been if Pete Rose were
exercised his demons and now here we are we to me,
they slapped him in the face and said he's dead,
all right, bam, now you're eligible.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
It's it's it's a mockery of the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
To me, it really is, because because he was unfit alive,
and now you're saying that later.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Where you had some reflection and things changed, ideology change,
the amnity died right what Chang.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Small invited p Roles, which with a lifetime band wasn't
supposed to happen to the twenty fifteen All Star Game
in Cincinnati. They were doing that year the mount rushmore
of every team, and they couldn't do the Reds with
our pros like they they even said, like there's no
way we could present the four greatest players of the
(32:40):
Cincinnati Reds and not bring people. And since Pete is
from Cincinnati, Cincinnati bought.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
It's a great story. Absolutely, story great Joe, you grew
up in Cincinnati. He become the greatest player I ever
played that, you know. I mean the documentary on him
was great, came out of the players back great.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Absolutely, But in this case, I think baseball it didn't
need to do this. I don't know what the rush was.
And then to throw away and shoeless Joe and other
people try to make it like hey, anybody else with
some gambling mercy, anybody anybody else who's been dead for
seventy years.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
I didn't like it well of it, and now it
really starts to be a conversation about what are you
gonna do with like steroid guys?
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Is it the minute they're dead?
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Is there some type of You're starting to soften up
your stance a little bit? Now, what does this mean
for those who are indicted with steroids or whether that
we literally know or we kind of.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
The cloud hangs around them.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
As you know, I have a vote, and if he's
eligibly vote, I do.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Have a vote. Well, yeah, what are you gonna do?
I'm not voting for him.
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