June 7, 2025 • 30 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether or not head coach Tom Thibodeau should be fired after the New York Knicks were unceremoniously bounced out of the NBA Playoffs, whether the Aaron Rodgers Era in Pittsburgh will wind up being a success or a failure, and whether it’s fair to say that Tyrese Haliburton has already won the postseason whether he winds up getting a ring or not.
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
So obviously the finals are set. We know it's the
Pacers and the Thunder. We'll get into that. The finals
doesn't start till Thursday, but there's some stuff we need
to you know, hash out and talk about of the
fallout because the last series, of course, was the Pacers
and the.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Knicks and Rob G.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I don't think I don't know we didn't talk about this,
But do we have the sound or no from Jalen
Brunton when they were asking him about.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, like is that a real question? It was kind
of like, am I right? Rob G? Is that fair?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Right?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
It was like, is that a real right?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
No, He's gonna talk to me. Now, he didn't know
what I was gonna be saying.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Okay, he didn't know, But my point is this, and
I know if you're Nick fans, you know they were
ready in the streets and they were naming streets after
players and all that. But if you're a New York
Knick fan and you don't think what happened this season
was a failure, then you have no idea what's going on.
The twenty twenty four to twenty five season was a
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big failure for.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
The New York Knicks.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You went out, you got Karl Anthony Towns, you made
a big trade Miquel Bridges, you gave a five first
round picks, right, You did all these things, and the
idea that last year went to second round lost right
in seven games to the Patriots. You wanted to be better,
you thought, blah blah bah. You made all those moves.
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Not only that, you beat the defending champs, and you
can talk about, you know, oh the Celtics got Tatum,
got hurt. No, no, no, they won the first two games
in Boston being down by twenty.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Once you do that, you tear up the script.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So all the people didn't think the Knicks were gonna
go because they couldn't beat the Celtics because of all
what happened in regular seasons that changed and so should
have the expectations of this basketball team, which was that
they were gonna finally get to the championship for the
first time in twenty five years, right since nineteen ninety nine.
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Prince sang about it. The Knicks were about it back then,
and now this year they have the Celtics beating up.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
The only team in their way.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Is the Indiana Pacers, a team that nobody talked about
all year, a team that no one expected to beat
the Cavaliers, and a team you had down by fourteen
with two thirty eight to go, down by nine with
fifty seconds to go. You win Game one at Madison
Square Garden and you're going to the finals. Okay, you
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would have had a chance to go to the finals
right there.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
And guess what they didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
They choked that down, lost Game two at home, and
basically the series was over. I told you after they
lost Game one they weren't going to the finals. You
don't recover from that. They forced a Game six and
guess what, their stars don't show up in Game six
at Indiana have awful shooting nights.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Ray Charles could see that. I mean, like just awful.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Don't celebrate the new York Knicks for what they did
in the excitement they gave the city, had people in
the streets, had rats carrying pizza all over town, and celebration.
None of it mattered, Kelvin, none of it. They failed
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this season. The Knicks should be in the NBA Finals,
not the Indiana Pacers. And for that reason, if I'm
the Knicks, I gotta look at TIBs and.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Honestly make a change. And if you ask me who
I got the who.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
His name is Michael Malone, who coached the Denver Nuggets
to a soup to an NBA Finals championship.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
All right, let me say this, And I never in
my life thought I would be sitting up here defending
the Knicks. What in the world has the world come to?
All right, Rob, Now this is where I gotta bring
you back down in reality a little bit. None of
us went into this Eastern Conference playoffs thinking the Knicks
really had a shot.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
In fact, we.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Came on, all of us talking about how they underachieved
and they were one of the worst three seeds or
are like, oh, nobody believes it is.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
They don't even beat the good teams.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
And not only did they come in and beat solid
teams and the Pistons and upcomings team. They beat the
Raining Champs, and then they beat the Pacers, who, by
the way, were thirty four and fourteen since January first.
The only team better than them are in the finals
the Oklahoma City Thunder. So the Pacers have actually been
it's our fault for ignoring them as being the second
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best team in the NBA since the beginning of twenty
twenty five. So the Knicks come in, they beat a
young Pistons team who has a really good team, They
beat the Rainning Champs, and.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
They lose admirably in six to the Pacers.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Now, also when you look at what they've done for
an organization that is underachieved for twenty five thirty years,
to me, they have something to hang their hat on.
They have officially won thousand percent, unequivocally found their guy,
and we know how hard that is in sports. And
Jalen Brunson is no but he's a heck of a player,
one of the best clutch players in the league, one
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Cutch Player of the Year. And then you have a
guy in kar Anthony Towns who you say, okay, the trade,
he played well there's some things we can work on,
and that's a conversation for another day. But to me,
the next overachieved. We literally kept going, Okay, this is
about it. Now they'd had their fun, Okay, there's no
all right, Well their seth's gonna come back again. Okay, well,
I mean not the PACER's gonna And they got six
out of this. And so to me, I'm looking at
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the Knicks and saying, they played hard. You never ever
ever felt like they quit. They literally competed all in
all the games. And I even gotta give teams who
I never want to give credit to because all he
does is look like another version of Darvin Ham with
his hands in his pockets instead is are hands voted.
But we talked about and I said, man, he's got
to start playing that bench a little bit. He's got
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to get there's no way they can sustain those legs.
Those legs are gonna go out on them. And they
sustained throughout the season. Michel Bridges, who is the iron
man calling them out, Hey, man, we gotta we gotta
get some breaks. We're tired. They fall through that as
a team they get postseason. Guys are playing too much again.
He starts to play the Bitch. He plays right, he
plays Sammy, he plays goes to Mitchell Robinson more, he
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plays the McBride. He starts to play some guys and
I gotta give him credit that he at least was
trying to do something. So this was an overachievement. It
to me they have some things that if I were
the general manager, absolutely we're addressing.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
There's some things to fix.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
But man, there's no way if I'd have told you
starting in the beginning of the season the Knicks would
be a game and a half away from being in
the finals, did you would think that was they underachieved?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Now, I don't even know how you could even think
about them underachieving. When they beat the defending champs that
nobody expect him to beat, and they're up by fourteen
against the Pacers at home. It's one thing if they
got molly wopped and got swept by the Pacers and
they were just better, but they coughed up a historic choke.
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If you can't get fired off a historic choke, you
can never get fired. I'm dead serious. Like the idea
that you think they underachieved blowing and not only did
they do that. You thought they bounced back in game two, right,
because all right, I was just one game, one game.
They they not only did that, they lost game two
at home to the Pacers, and and so you're in
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a two to zero hole, which you're not going to
bounce back.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
There's no way you can look at that and call
that an over.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
So how did I How am I not firing Missoula
Missoula because they won a championship, but then they need.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
A championship team.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
No, no, do not lose two games from the twenty
because they wont one. It does I'm saying based off
that they lost one. They and he literally just got
them further than any any team they got into twenty
five years. And again I'm not sitting there reacting like
he's Phil Jackson. But if my star player comes out
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and it gives him a major endorsement, my player I
am absolutely tied to in Jalen Brunson. He ain't going nowhere,
and he is my guy, and he sings a ringing endorsement.
The guys got me further. Now I'm in the playoffs
two years in a row, which does not happen to
the Knicks all the time. Two years in a row,
and not only two years in a row. I improve, I
get further than I did the next year. I don't
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see why they're gonna end up firing that Guy's it.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Because they did it before. Can I give you an example?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yes, Can I give you Rick Carlile and the Detroit Pistons.
Can I give you an example? And I want you
to listen to this example. The Pistons had gotten further
than they had ever gone with Rick Carlile. And guess
what they looked and said, there's Larry Brown. And at
that time, Larry had never won a championship in the NBA,
but he was a better coach at that time than
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Rick Carlile. If you're the Knicks and Timbs, he's never
been able to go further with any team he's been.
Mike Malone, Michael Malone is available. Mike Malone is not
a question mark whether you can get a team to
where you need to go.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
He's available.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Teams upgrade when you have a chance to upgrade. And
that's the exemple I'm gonna give you, because I have
seen it before. Smart teams go. Thank you, Tibbs, you
got it to a certain point. keV is his difference.
First of all, there's a massive different. Rick Carlile was
just starting to coach facts or none, but he's still
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want to go facts or no facts. Now, he was
a new coach that they thought, all right, cool, that
was cute.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Get out of here.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Here comes this forty five fifty year veteran and uh
and your boy Brown, Larry Brown. So this is not
the same where Timms is a veteran quarter coach who
has been there, who is veteran.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Players love and adore him. I'm not stamping him.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I'm just saying I Jalen Brunson and your front off
has already come out and say he's their guy. He's
gonna be their guy. And again the team is overachieved.
None of us thought they would do this in the
beginning of this playoffs, and they lost to the Pacers,
who had the second best record since the turn.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
It changes, that changes once you beat the Celtics.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Come on, man, you don't go backwards once you've already
they were the better team than the Celtics.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Said no, no, they literally were.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
They were the best teams the only team better than
these of January first.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Who had who had a higher seed in the playoffs.
I just said, I don't care about that.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Who had a higher seeding? Does it matter? Does? January four?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Who the favorite in that series? Wasn't the Knicks or
the Pacers? The Pacers were playing were? They were not
the favorite?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
The Pacers the only team that played better than there's
the two teams in the finals, the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Who was the higher seed and who was the favorites?
I'm asking you. The Celtics underachieved. We've all talked about that.
We're talking about I'm talking about with the Knicks and
the Pacers, the two questions. So higher seeds, No, the Knicks,
I'm talking about the about the Celtics.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
The Knicks, Okay, And who was the favorite in that series? Actually?
I was it the Knicks? Yes, it was all right.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
So if you hold on, if you're all adamant, why
did you pick the Pacers to win?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Because I still didn't believe in TIBs and that did
your point. So I believe in Tayers. I don't believe
in TIBs. I don't care if they call you mister Tibbs.
I want you, mister out.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
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Speaker 3 (12:25):
He did the right thing, and guess what.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
So did the Pittsburgh freaking Steelers.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
They did the right thing.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
They looked at what they've had quarterback wise and say,
guess what will take a future Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
This has been done in the NFL for eons.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Joe Montana finished his career with guess who the Kansas
City Cheese? Aaron Rodgers will be? Brett Favre two point oh.
Brett Farb had one bad year with the Jets. They
were eighting three and didn't make the playoffs because he
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played poorly in the second half, and then he went
to Minnesota finished stronger. Right, he played well for them.
I'm expecting this same exact thing. I'm not into gambling.
I'm not telling you the over under is eight and
a half.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Take the over.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Take the over, because if I gave you a stats,
they would sound very film, very close to somebody else,
and that quarterback was Patrick Mahomes. Aaron Rodgers actually had
more touchdowns than Patrick Mahomes last year. It's a big
difference in wins because the Chiefs were lucky last year,
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probably won four games they had no business winning, but
they won them. I'm looking at this and I'm saying,
not only would the Steelers win eleven games, the Steelers
will finally win a playoff game, and Aaron Rodgers will
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be a big reason why they have not had a
really good quarterback in a while.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
And here you're having a future Hall of Famer. You
saw it.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Tom Brady went to Tampa Bay, want to win the
Super Bowl. Peyton Manning went to.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Where do you go?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Just got and he didn't play great, but guess what
he got out of it? Got a Super Bowl. This
is NFL for veteran quarterbacks. Hall of Fame quarterbacks. All
the great quarterbacks finished their career elsewhere. It is no
surprise that Mike Tomlin has said Russell Wilson, Uh okay,
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justin Fields, Nah okay.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Do I want to go.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
To anybody, if you talk to players, players who played
with him, get Greg Jennings on the phone. Him and
Aaron Rodgers had had a blowout after they stopped playing.
But ain't nobody talking about Aaron Rodgers better as a quarterback?
Given protection, given an opportunity to play. I think this
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is a home run. I think the Steelers were smart
to wait for him. If he was gonna play, why
not get this guy's very best and a chance to
go out with.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
A blaze of glory.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Aaron Rodgers has something to play for, which is his name,
and if he could go out on a better record,
nobody wants to leave the way to Jets. That whole situation,
first with the injuries first year, and then last year
where everything came apart. This makes total sense to me.
I'm in, I'm out.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
And it's actually not be so much because of Aaron Rodgers.
I don't think Aaron Rodgers is a horrible quarterback all
of a sudden. I don't think Aaron Rodgers is a
bad quarterback. Aaron Rodgers is still a very serviceable to
pretty good quarterback. My issue is what they've done to
bring in Aaron Rodgers. So you're in a division with
Lamar Jackson, I gotta play twice, I gotta play Joe
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Burrow twice, and in a Cleveland team that should be
on the up with if nothing else, we know they
have a good defense, they got rid of their best receiver,
they bring in d Kevin Metcalf, who has been struggling
with drops. They lose their running back and the defense,
as you talked about all last season, the defense ain't
been defensing like he's supposed to. So to me, when
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you bring up to Tom Brady, when you bring up
the Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady walked into
perfect Taylor made situations where they had receivers galore, especially
Tom Brady, and they had defenses that were top notch.
The Steeler defense is getting old. It's not what it
used to be. They've again, they don't have the same
offensive schemes. They have not been good at handling the
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quarterback and managing the quarterback position. So I just think
it's just not enough grade from Russell Wilson to me,
if they were gonna run this back, this kind of
ver version of a quarterback, then ry not russ Up
run out. Russell Wilson to me is pretty much the
same quarterback as Aaron Rodgers at this point in their career.
Aaron Rodgers had the great terr career, but they're pretty
much the same quarterback who would be second year in
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the system. Now you've got a star new receiver who's
learning the system. You have a new quarterback who ain't
even in yet, but he will be learning a new system.
He's forty one going on forty two, and he also
again is losing receiver. It's not like he added DK.
They lost pickings and now they have DK. They don't
have a bunch of weapons. I just don't think the
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offensive line isn't great. He's not mobile, and he's coming
off an achilles injury from two years ago. So I
don't think Aaron Rodgers is a horrible quarterback. I don't
think this is a Taylor made as it may have
felt like it was. This isn't him going to the
Buccaneers for Tom Brady. They just needed a quarterback. They
finished eight to eight with Jamis Wistonson going Jamis Winston
doing the thirty for thirty and that's why Tom Brady
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was like, you know, I'm not gonna give you thirty
for thirty, and that's why they were so good and
that defense was incredible. So to me, I just look
at this again, ass the division is tight, and I
think Mike Tomlin is for the first time, at least
in my mind, being very desperate with this because the
last point Rob Aaron Rodgers, he might be solid. I
don't think they're making the postseason. I think this is
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the first time Mike Tomlin is under five hundred. You
can book that for me. What are we betting on that?
Let's bet something on that. Let's bet you want to
get your Jordans back? No, I don't put some wings on.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
No, let's get Jordans. Are you want to win your
Jordans back?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
No, no, no, don't you want to get your Jorins
on that? You put some wings on it. You don't
want to get your Jordans back.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Now, we'll put some wings on it. Have plenty of I
have plenty, we have no A good one.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I love.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
This is the one I would love the time. This
is the one I want to do.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
You said, saying five hundred time they will not make
the postcasse.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
No, you said sub five hundred. That's what Mike Tomlin
will be.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Let's bet that. If you got that, let's why not?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I am betting it. I'm not betting Jorans. Let's bet Jordan's.
Don't you want to get your Jordans back? And I
will get the Jordans back. He doesn't want to get
his Jordans back. What seven and ten? He has no
no conviction that if dollars on Jordans and not a
chance to get him back.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And I'm so sure, let me let me just let
me even make sure he even signs.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
He might back out of this. Well, if he's not in,
then then that's different.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I'm saying, let me let me be him sign. I
just I don't get the Steelers in this.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Steelers won ten games ready with no quarterback the last
few they won ten games two years ago.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
I don't know who was the quarterback. Ten games.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Their defensive ten games with no quarter of running game
ten games. You think the Steelers are going to have
nobody to run the football on. Their defense will be
as bad as it was a year ago?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Is that was you're saying? Why not?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Okay, I don't why not? At the I think that's
what they do. They would you agree that the Jets
had a better offensive team than the Pittsburgh Steelers. No,
last year, Yes, they did, look at those receivers the
Jets had. No, that's had a dad issues last year. Defensively,
that wasn't the same defense that they had.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Two years He went five to twelve with more offensive
weapons than he'll have with the Steelers. And again, I'm
not saying Aaron Rodger's gonna throw only ten touchdowns and
twenty interceptions. I don't think the team is as good
as they think they are in a division that is
going to be very good to competitive.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
They won ten games last year, and two years ago
they won ten games in that very same division, six
straight games, but in that same very the very same division.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
And I think they're going down. They're trending downwards.
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Speaker 3 (20:46):
Man, we've been talking about it. Obviously.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
The whole world is talking about Game one of the
NBA Finals and what happened at the end.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Tyres Halper Lucy.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Tyre's Halliburton now four for four when it comes to
shots under two seconds.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
He's talking about game winners.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
He is thirteen for fifteen with clutch shots, and the
season he has more than Lebron, more than Kobe, more
than Jordan already in the playoff season. It is ridiculous
what tyrese Haliburton has already done. And I started to
think to myself, Ron Parker, I said to myself. And
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after I said that, Tyrese Haliburton has put him in
his self for a position where at this point, after
last night, if they lose four straight, he has still.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Won the postseason.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
He to me, has absolutely taken this postseason by storm.
He is the talk of the postseason. He went from
the most overrated to the most celebrated. He's had the
biggest storylines with all the buzzer beaters. He even had
his pops and the drama there. And you know you
need drama, you need storylines, you need juice to make
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things popping and resonate and become pop culture. You got
buzzer beaters. He does the choke sign to Reggie Miller.
The way this team has come back. And then you
get to the NBA Finals and you hit a game
winner there. This is coming off again. Where you played
in the Olympics last year. You got no minutes. So
to me, Tyree's Aliburton, even if they lose, has absolutely
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won the postseason. And sometimes that happens. I'll give you
an example. We've rest ferenced this game. This person in
this series a lot two thousand Laker two thousand and
one Lakers win the title and they go on to win,
and Shaq was absurd. He was dominant MVP and Rob
G you were obviously a Laker fan. You were living
here when that happened. No one remembers that series, do they?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
You remember Alan Iverson balling out forty one points, stepping
over Tyron Leu and that is the thing from that series.
Now again, Tyre's Aliburton is still shooting and playing to
win at the title. I'm not saying that the Pacers
want to win this thing for sure, but he is
on the postseason already. Give the man the crown already
for this he can only add to it. And one
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way Rob he can add to it is having a
Kendrick Lamar NBA version of Kendrick Lamar's rap year of
twenty twenty four into twenty twenty five. Kendrick Lamar was
mine and os business and just relaxing and him and
Drake get into it and he beats Drake down in
the beef. He has the number one song with like that,
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and then it becomes not like us. Then he has
the super Bowl performance and then he goes on a
world tour with Sizza and he had the greatest rap
year in rap history and Tyre's Halliburton. If he were
to win this thing and have one more big moment, don't.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Even have to be a buzzer beating.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
But he has another perfect game, you know, thirty five,
fifteen and ten no turnovers, then he will officially have
dominated this postseason. It's been remarkable what he has done.
I stand here, I say I apologize to you nor
you all year, they've been the second best team since January,
first number one being the Thunder, and they've been on
an amazing ride. And Tyree Salerburton, even in the loss
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to me, Rob has absolutely won this postseason.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Even if they lose in the finals, absolutely not. And
this is again crowning people before as great as he's been.
If they don't win the title, people don't. They saw
those shots. But it ain't the same as winning and
making those shots. It's always about winning sports as a
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short menu.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I've said it a million times.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Wins and losses, that's what people really think about, and
doing everything leading It's just like the Thunder.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
All those numbers, Oh.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
They got the most double digit wins. Oh they did this,
Oh they want to total. None of it matters if
they don't finish the job. I'm telling you, nobody talks
about the Warriors. What were they seventy three and nine?
Nobody talks about that team because they they were part
of a three to one choke which never happened. Nobody
revers that team. They were unbelievable. They didn't lose more
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than two games in a row until the finals, when
they did you know what I mean, when they lost
three in a row. So so you gotta seal the deal.
You have to win. The only way people will look
at Halli Burton and be like, my god, that dude
is a start is he has to win. If they
lose the next four games, do you think people gonna
be talking about the shots that he made in Game one?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
No, they will not talk about this whole did the
choke he took the mix out? No, he took the
Calves or the best He took the best team in
the East by far, the Calves.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
And even the one moment, even the one moment with
the choke, he stole that from Regi Miller.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
It ain't even as homoe.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
No, but he was paying homage nomage or homager homage.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
He was paying homage. No, but even homage.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
For the rest of you who want to say that
to Reggie, Why don't you know Regi Miller was sitting there,
rob No.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
But even then it's not his.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
And all I'm saying to you is people will not
celebrate that if they don't win. You gotta win, Kelvin.
Stop trying to crown people without winning. That's what's wrong
with society. That's why we have issues here. And these
young people think they're doing something without winning.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Look, you gotta win.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Look at me right now, that fan has won these
first three rounds.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Now he's where he's gotten that. That name I gave
him earlier, which one Indiana doesn't even work all the
way unless they win the championship. If they win the championship,
you could see right they're thirty for thirty Indiana.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Rogie, do me a favorite Google. How much is gonna
cost me to trademark that you better guy? Even though
he did it, I'm a trademark. I'll give him some pain.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Happens every day somebody's already done it. They listen to
the show Indiana. You already listen. What you said was cute.
It was adorable, and I'm pinching your cheeks. It was
really cute. That is not the case, Rob Parker. Can
we go cuss the pinch cheek?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Your and make sure all right, case to clench cheek
because now he's getting needles and stuff. I mean, Rob,
g omptible. People just coming and you stab? Are you
stabbing yourself or as a wife doing it?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
No? I stap myself. Do you really Yep? It's come
that far. You said you be dang with the dumbbells
an elliptical. Oh that's coming later eventually.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
So how long does it take for it to take
hold of you and then take pounds off?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
You?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Like, what's the I'm already down a pound and a
half in a day. No, you just took it a
good bathroom. Yeah, I really it.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
The dose that J'm on now is so minimal that
it doesn't really do anything. It's not un till next
month where I'm really cranking it up. Okay, right, anyway back,
I'm gonna win this weight loss challenge. By the way,
there you are, cheater.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
My point was Reggie Miller robs both of you is
Reggie Miller never won a championship, but all we talk
about was that ninety four run with those those you know,
the clutch plays that he was making against those Nicks.
So my point is, sometimes SGA might go on to
win finals MVP. I predict that he will. I predict
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him to win. But if it ends up being just
a normal series and he wins finals MVP and they
win in five or six, we won't think about all
he have ever that Thunder team. But when I'm riching
Tyreese Halliburton, where I mentioned that that run twenty twenty
five playoffs, You're gonna think about how he came back
and beat the Bucks, how he came back and beat
the Cavs and hit big winners and game winners. How
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he's four for four under two seconds, how he is
thirteen to fifteen on the season in crunch time, clutch minutes,
how he did the chokes on, how he went to
the hole said, ah, damn, you deflected. Let me skirt
all the way back and shoot a three, which he
thought was the three in the be the two.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
And I just think he has had a.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Remarkable run with the narrative that he's the most overrated
and he's telling y'all to to shut up overrate this.
What is Pops going crazy about? The scrap with y'all
is when I sent that boy home. Nah, this has
been the Talleries Halliburton.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
What the helly If he doesn't play well and he's
bad at the end and they lose three, they lose
the next four games, right, No one's gonna be talking
about this.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Postseason with Halliburton.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
What are gonna talk about? R They're gonna talk about
They're not. No, They're gonna talk about Shay getting a championship,
got the MVP. It'll be about him. It will not
be about what Halliburton did in a failed run. Now,
if they closed the deal, they win the championship. Now
you have a whole storyline, narrative. You relived that you
become a thirty for thirty. There is no thirty for
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thirty without the championship.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
And that's the point the originanity. No, they had the
insanity one and he ain't do nothing. But for two
weeks I was termed the man got a thirty for
thirty over two weeks. What they're gonna do with Tyres Halliburton? No,
what the hell are they gonna do it?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
They're just making up stuff because it's not It's just like, uh,
what was the baseball movie?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I'm always with the ball A.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yes, they didn't even want to check, like they did
this whole movie, a full blown movie, and the best.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
They did with no, I'm not that stuff doesn't have
to be the win the Mepton No.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
But they also they had to doctor that up to
make it more appeal.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
It's gonna be like, Okay, it's not.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Let me tell you what if you want to doctor
it and say that he won a championship doing all that,
I got a doctor. You know, rock g you know
what it is. It's Rocky, Rocky. What he lost the
Apollo Creed and everybody loved Rocky was like man, that dude.
He fought Hardy made a name for himself. Rocky.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
If you get if I.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Can do it and you can do it, and we
can do it, this will be Tyre's Halliburton.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
He will be Rocky even if he loses. What the
hell he
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So obviously the finals are set. We know it's the
Pacers and the Thunder. We'll get into that. The finals
doesn't start till Thursday, but there's some stuff we need
to you know, hash out and talk about of the
fallout because the last series, of course, was the Pacers
and the.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Knicks and Rob G.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I don't think I don't know we didn't talk about this,
But do we have the sound or no from Jalen
Brunton when they were asking him about.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, like is that a real question? It was kind
of like, am I right? Rob G? Is that fair?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Right?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
It was like, is that a real right?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
No, He's gonna talk to me. Now, he didn't know
what I was gonna be saying.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Okay, he didn't know, But my point is this, and
I know if you're Nick fans, you know they were
ready in the streets and they were naming streets after
players and all that. But if you're a New York
Knick fan and you don't think what happened this season
was a failure, then you have no idea what's going on.
The twenty twenty four to twenty five season was a
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big failure for.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
The New York Knicks.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You went out, you got Karl Anthony Towns, you made
a big trade Miquel Bridges, you gave a five first
round picks, right, You did all these things, and the
idea that last year went to second round lost right
in seven games to the Patriots. You wanted to be better,
you thought, blah blah bah. You made all those moves.
(01:53):
Not only that, you beat the defending champs, and you
can talk about, you know, oh the Celtics got Tatum,
got hurt. No, no, no, they won the first two games
in Boston being down by twenty.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Once you do that, you tear up the script.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So all the people didn't think the Knicks were gonna
go because they couldn't beat the Celtics because of all
what happened in regular seasons that changed and so should
have the expectations of this basketball team, which was that
they were gonna finally get to the championship for the
first time in twenty five years, right since nineteen ninety nine.
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Prince sang about it. The Knicks were about it back then,
and now this year they have the Celtics beating up.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
The only team in their way.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Is the Indiana Pacers, a team that nobody talked about
all year, a team that no one expected to beat
the Cavaliers, and a team you had down by fourteen
with two thirty eight to go, down by nine with
fifty seconds to go. You win Game one at Madison
Square Garden and you're going to the finals. Okay, you
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would have had a chance to go to the finals
right there.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
And guess what they didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
They choked that down, lost Game two at home, and
basically the series was over. I told you after they
lost Game one they weren't going to the finals. You
don't recover from that. They forced a Game six and
guess what, their stars don't show up in Game six
at Indiana have awful shooting nights.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Ray Charles could see that. I mean, like just awful.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Don't celebrate the new York Knicks for what they did
in the excitement they gave the city, had people in
the streets, had rats carrying pizza all over town, and celebration.
None of it mattered, Kelvin, none of it. They failed
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this season. The Knicks should be in the NBA Finals,
not the Indiana Pacers. And for that reason, if I'm
the Knicks, I gotta look at TIBs and.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Honestly make a change. And if you ask me who
I got the who.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
His name is Michael Malone, who coached the Denver Nuggets
to a soup to an NBA Finals championship.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
All right, let me say this, And I never in
my life thought I would be sitting up here defending
the Knicks. What in the world has the world come to?
All right, Rob, Now this is where I gotta bring
you back down in reality a little bit. None of
us went into this Eastern Conference playoffs thinking the Knicks
really had a shot.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
In fact, we.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Came on, all of us talking about how they underachieved
and they were one of the worst three seeds or
are like, oh, nobody believes it is.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
They don't even beat the good teams.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
And not only did they come in and beat solid
teams and the Pistons and upcomings team. They beat the
Raining Champs, and then they beat the Pacers, who, by
the way, were thirty four and fourteen since January first.
The only team better than them are in the finals
the Oklahoma City Thunder. So the Pacers have actually been
it's our fault for ignoring them as being the second
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best team in the NBA since the beginning of twenty
twenty five. So the Knicks come in, they beat a
young Pistons team who has a really good team, They
beat the Rainning Champs, and.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
They lose admirably in six to the Pacers.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Now, also when you look at what they've done for
an organization that is underachieved for twenty five thirty years,
to me, they have something to hang their hat on.
They have officially won thousand percent, unequivocally found their guy,
and we know how hard that is in sports. And
Jalen Brunson is no but he's a heck of a player,
one of the best clutch players in the league, one
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Cutch Player of the Year. And then you have a
guy in kar Anthony Towns who you say, okay, the trade,
he played well there's some things we can work on,
and that's a conversation for another day. But to me,
the next overachieved. We literally kept going, Okay, this is
about it. Now they'd had their fun, Okay, there's no
all right, Well their seth's gonna come back again. Okay, well,
I mean not the PACER's gonna And they got six
out of this. And so to me, I'm looking at
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the Knicks and saying, they played hard. You never ever
ever felt like they quit. They literally competed all in
all the games. And I even gotta give teams who
I never want to give credit to because all he
does is look like another version of Darvin Ham with
his hands in his pockets instead is are hands voted.
But we talked about and I said, man, he's got
to start playing that bench a little bit. He's got
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to get there's no way they can sustain those legs.
Those legs are gonna go out on them. And they
sustained throughout the season. Michel Bridges, who is the iron
man calling them out, Hey, man, we gotta we gotta
get some breaks. We're tired. They fall through that as
a team they get postseason. Guys are playing too much again.
He starts to play the Bitch. He plays right, he
plays Sammy, he plays goes to Mitchell Robinson more, he
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plays the McBride. He starts to play some guys and
I gotta give him credit that he at least was
trying to do something. So this was an overachievement. It
to me they have some things that if I were
the general manager, absolutely we're addressing.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
There's some things to fix.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
But man, there's no way if I'd have told you
starting in the beginning of the season the Knicks would
be a game and a half away from being in
the finals, did you would think that was they underachieved?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Now, I don't even know how you could even think
about them underachieving. When they beat the defending champs that
nobody expect him to beat, and they're up by fourteen
against the Pacers at home. It's one thing if they
got molly wopped and got swept by the Pacers and
they were just better, but they coughed up a historic choke.
(07:56):
If you can't get fired off a historic choke, you
can never get fired. I'm dead serious. Like the idea
that you think they underachieved blowing and not only did
they do that. You thought they bounced back in game two, right,
because all right, I was just one game, one game.
They they not only did that, they lost game two
at home to the Pacers, and and so you're in
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a two to zero hole, which you're not going to
bounce back.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
There's no way you can look at that and call
that an over.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
So how did I How am I not firing Missoula
Missoula because they won a championship, but then they need.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
A championship team.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
No, no, do not lose two games from the twenty
because they wont one. It does I'm saying based off
that they lost one. They and he literally just got
them further than any any team they got into twenty
five years. And again I'm not sitting there reacting like
he's Phil Jackson. But if my star player comes out
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and it gives him a major endorsement, my player I
am absolutely tied to in Jalen Brunson. He ain't going nowhere,
and he is my guy, and he sings a ringing endorsement.
The guys got me further. Now I'm in the playoffs
two years in a row, which does not happen to
the Knicks all the time. Two years in a row,
and not only two years in a row. I improve, I
get further than I did the next year. I don't
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see why they're gonna end up firing that Guy's it.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Because they did it before. Can I give you an example?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yes, Can I give you Rick Carlile and the Detroit Pistons.
Can I give you an example? And I want you
to listen to this example. The Pistons had gotten further
than they had ever gone with Rick Carlile. And guess
what they looked and said, there's Larry Brown. And at
that time, Larry had never won a championship in the NBA,
but he was a better coach at that time than
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Rick Carlile. If you're the Knicks and Timbs, he's never
been able to go further with any team he's been.
Mike Malone, Michael Malone is available. Mike Malone is not
a question mark whether you can get a team to
where you need to go.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
He's available.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Teams upgrade when you have a chance to upgrade. And
that's the exemple I'm gonna give you, because I have
seen it before. Smart teams go. Thank you, Tibbs, you
got it to a certain point. keV is his difference.
First of all, there's a massive different. Rick Carlile was
just starting to coach facts or none, but he's still
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want to go facts or no facts. Now, he was
a new coach that they thought, all right, cool, that
was cute.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Get out of here.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Here comes this forty five fifty year veteran and uh
and your boy Brown, Larry Brown. So this is not
the same where Timms is a veteran quarter coach who
has been there, who is veteran.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Players love and adore him. I'm not stamping him.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I'm just saying I Jalen Brunson and your front off
has already come out and say he's their guy. He's
gonna be their guy. And again the team is overachieved.
None of us thought they would do this in the
beginning of this playoffs, and they lost to the Pacers,
who had the second best record since the turn.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
It changes, that changes once you beat the Celtics.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Come on, man, you don't go backwards once you've already
they were the better team than the Celtics.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Said no, no, they literally were.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
They were the best teams the only team better than
these of January first.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Who had who had a higher seed in the playoffs.
I just said, I don't care about that.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Who had a higher seeding? Does it matter? Does? January four?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Who the favorite in that series? Wasn't the Knicks or
the Pacers? The Pacers were playing were? They were not
the favorite?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
The Pacers the only team that played better than there's
the two teams in the finals, the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Who was the higher seed and who was the favorites?
I'm asking you. The Celtics underachieved. We've all talked about that.
We're talking about I'm talking about with the Knicks and
the Pacers, the two questions. So higher seeds, No, the Knicks,
I'm talking about the about the Celtics.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
The Knicks, Okay, And who was the favorite in that series? Actually?
I was it the Knicks? Yes, it was all right.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
So if you hold on, if you're all adamant, why
did you pick the Pacers to win?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Because I still didn't believe in TIBs and that did
your point. So I believe in Tayers. I don't believe
in TIBs. I don't care if they call you mister Tibbs.
I want you, mister out.
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Speaker 3 (12:25):
He did the right thing, and guess what.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
So did the Pittsburgh freaking Steelers.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
They did the right thing.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
They looked at what they've had quarterback wise and say,
guess what will take a future Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
This has been done in the NFL for eons.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Joe Montana finished his career with guess who the Kansas
City Cheese? Aaron Rodgers will be? Brett Favre two point oh.
Brett Farb had one bad year with the Jets. They
were eighting three and didn't make the playoffs because he
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played poorly in the second half, and then he went
to Minnesota finished stronger. Right, he played well for them.
I'm expecting this same exact thing. I'm not into gambling.
I'm not telling you the over under is eight and
a half.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Take the over.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Take the over, because if I gave you a stats,
they would sound very film, very close to somebody else,
and that quarterback was Patrick Mahomes. Aaron Rodgers actually had
more touchdowns than Patrick Mahomes last year. It's a big
difference in wins because the Chiefs were lucky last year,
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probably won four games they had no business winning, but
they won them. I'm looking at this and I'm saying,
not only would the Steelers win eleven games, the Steelers
will finally win a playoff game, and Aaron Rodgers will
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be a big reason why they have not had a
really good quarterback in a while.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
And here you're having a future Hall of Famer. You
saw it.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Tom Brady went to Tampa Bay, want to win the
Super Bowl. Peyton Manning went to.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Where do you go?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Just got and he didn't play great, but guess what
he got out of it? Got a Super Bowl. This
is NFL for veteran quarterbacks. Hall of Fame quarterbacks. All
the great quarterbacks finished their career elsewhere. It is no
surprise that Mike Tomlin has said Russell Wilson, Uh okay,
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justin Fields, Nah okay.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Do I want to go.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
To anybody, if you talk to players, players who played
with him, get Greg Jennings on the phone. Him and
Aaron Rodgers had had a blowout after they stopped playing.
But ain't nobody talking about Aaron Rodgers better as a quarterback?
Given protection, given an opportunity to play. I think this
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is a home run. I think the Steelers were smart
to wait for him. If he was gonna play, why
not get this guy's very best and a chance to
go out with.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
A blaze of glory.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Aaron Rodgers has something to play for, which is his name,
and if he could go out on a better record,
nobody wants to leave the way to Jets. That whole situation,
first with the injuries first year, and then last year
where everything came apart. This makes total sense to me.
I'm in, I'm out.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
And it's actually not be so much because of Aaron Rodgers.
I don't think Aaron Rodgers is a horrible quarterback all
of a sudden. I don't think Aaron Rodgers is a
bad quarterback. Aaron Rodgers is still a very serviceable to
pretty good quarterback. My issue is what they've done to
bring in Aaron Rodgers. So you're in a division with
Lamar Jackson, I gotta play twice, I gotta play Joe
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Burrow twice, and in a Cleveland team that should be
on the up with if nothing else, we know they
have a good defense, they got rid of their best receiver,
they bring in d Kevin Metcalf, who has been struggling
with drops. They lose their running back and the defense,
as you talked about all last season, the defense ain't
been defensing like he's supposed to. So to me, when
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you bring up to Tom Brady, when you bring up
the Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady walked into
perfect Taylor made situations where they had receivers galore, especially
Tom Brady, and they had defenses that were top notch.
The Steeler defense is getting old. It's not what it
used to be. They've again, they don't have the same
offensive schemes. They have not been good at handling the
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quarterback and managing the quarterback position. So I just think
it's just not enough grade from Russell Wilson to me,
if they were gonna run this back, this kind of
ver version of a quarterback, then ry not russ Up
run out. Russell Wilson to me is pretty much the
same quarterback as Aaron Rodgers at this point in their career.
Aaron Rodgers had the great terr career, but they're pretty
much the same quarterback who would be second year in
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the system. Now you've got a star new receiver who's
learning the system. You have a new quarterback who ain't
even in yet, but he will be learning a new system.
He's forty one going on forty two, and he also
again is losing receiver. It's not like he added DK.
They lost pickings and now they have DK. They don't
have a bunch of weapons. I just don't think the
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offensive line isn't great. He's not mobile, and he's coming
off an achilles injury from two years ago. So I
don't think Aaron Rodgers is a horrible quarterback. I don't
think this is a Taylor made as it may have
felt like it was. This isn't him going to the
Buccaneers for Tom Brady. They just needed a quarterback. They
finished eight to eight with Jamis Wistonson going Jamis Winston
doing the thirty for thirty and that's why Tom Brady
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was like, you know, I'm not gonna give you thirty
for thirty, and that's why they were so good and
that defense was incredible. So to me, I just look
at this again, ass the division is tight, and I
think Mike Tomlin is for the first time, at least
in my mind, being very desperate with this because the
last point Rob Aaron Rodgers, he might be solid. I
don't think they're making the postseason. I think this is
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the first time Mike Tomlin is under five hundred. You
can book that for me. What are we betting on that?
Let's bet something on that. Let's bet you want to
get your Jordans back? No, I don't put some wings on.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
No, let's get Jordans. Are you want to win your
Jordans back?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
No, no, no, don't you want to get your Jorins
on that? You put some wings on it. You don't
want to get your Jordans back.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Now, we'll put some wings on it. Have plenty of I
have plenty, we have no A good one.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I love.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
This is the one I would love the time. This
is the one I want to do.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
You said, saying five hundred time they will not make
the postcasse.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
No, you said sub five hundred. That's what Mike Tomlin
will be.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Let's bet that. If you got that, let's why not?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I am betting it. I'm not betting Jorans. Let's bet Jordan's.
Don't you want to get your Jordans back? And I
will get the Jordans back. He doesn't want to get
his Jordans back. What seven and ten? He has no
no conviction that if dollars on Jordans and not a
chance to get him back.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And I'm so sure, let me let me just let
me even make sure he even signs.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
He might back out of this. Well, if he's not in,
then then that's different.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I'm saying, let me let me be him sign. I
just I don't get the Steelers in this.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Steelers won ten games ready with no quarterback the last
few they won ten games two years ago.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
I don't know who was the quarterback. Ten games.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Their defensive ten games with no quarter of running game
ten games. You think the Steelers are going to have
nobody to run the football on. Their defense will be
as bad as it was a year ago?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Is that was you're saying? Why not?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Okay, I don't why not? At the I think that's
what they do. They would you agree that the Jets
had a better offensive team than the Pittsburgh Steelers. No,
last year, Yes, they did, look at those receivers the
Jets had. No, that's had a dad issues last year. Defensively,
that wasn't the same defense that they had.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Two years He went five to twelve with more offensive
weapons than he'll have with the Steelers. And again, I'm
not saying Aaron Rodger's gonna throw only ten touchdowns and
twenty interceptions. I don't think the team is as good
as they think they are in a division that is
going to be very good to competitive.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
They won ten games last year, and two years ago
they won ten games in that very same division, six
straight games, but in that same very the very same division.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
And I think they're going down. They're trending downwards.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
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Speaker 3 (20:46):
Man, we've been talking about it. Obviously.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
The whole world is talking about Game one of the
NBA Finals and what happened at the end.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Tyres Halper Lucy.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Tyre's Halliburton now four for four when it comes to
shots under two seconds.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
He's talking about game winners.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
He is thirteen for fifteen with clutch shots, and the
season he has more than Lebron, more than Kobe, more
than Jordan already in the playoff season. It is ridiculous
what tyrese Haliburton has already done. And I started to
think to myself, Ron Parker, I said to myself. And
(21:23):
after I said that, Tyrese Haliburton has put him in
his self for a position where at this point, after
last night, if they lose four straight, he has still.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Won the postseason.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
He to me, has absolutely taken this postseason by storm.
He is the talk of the postseason. He went from
the most overrated to the most celebrated. He's had the
biggest storylines with all the buzzer beaters. He even had
his pops and the drama there. And you know you
need drama, you need storylines, you need juice to make
(21:59):
things popping and resonate and become pop culture. You got
buzzer beaters. He does the choke sign to Reggie Miller.
The way this team has come back. And then you
get to the NBA Finals and you hit a game
winner there. This is coming off again. Where you played
in the Olympics last year. You got no minutes. So
to me, Tyree's Aliburton, even if they lose, has absolutely
(22:22):
won the postseason. And sometimes that happens. I'll give you
an example. We've rest ferenced this game. This person in
this series a lot two thousand Laker two thousand and
one Lakers win the title and they go on to win,
and Shaq was absurd. He was dominant MVP and Rob
G you were obviously a Laker fan. You were living
here when that happened. No one remembers that series, do they?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
You remember Alan Iverson balling out forty one points, stepping
over Tyron Leu and that is the thing from that series.
Now again, Tyre's Aliburton is still shooting and playing to
win at the title. I'm not saying that the Pacers
want to win this thing for sure, but he is
on the postseason already. Give the man the crown already
for this he can only add to it. And one
(23:05):
way Rob he can add to it is having a
Kendrick Lamar NBA version of Kendrick Lamar's rap year of
twenty twenty four into twenty twenty five. Kendrick Lamar was
mine and os business and just relaxing and him and
Drake get into it and he beats Drake down in
the beef. He has the number one song with like that,
(23:29):
and then it becomes not like us. Then he has
the super Bowl performance and then he goes on a
world tour with Sizza and he had the greatest rap
year in rap history and Tyre's Halliburton. If he were
to win this thing and have one more big moment, don't.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Even have to be a buzzer beating.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
But he has another perfect game, you know, thirty five,
fifteen and ten no turnovers, then he will officially have
dominated this postseason. It's been remarkable what he has done.
I stand here, I say I apologize to you nor
you all year, they've been the second best team since January,
first number one being the Thunder, and they've been on
an amazing ride. And Tyree Salerburton, even in the loss
(24:09):
to me, Rob has absolutely won this postseason.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Even if they lose in the finals, absolutely not. And
this is again crowning people before as great as he's been.
If they don't win the title, people don't. They saw
those shots. But it ain't the same as winning and
making those shots. It's always about winning sports as a
(24:32):
short menu.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I've said it a million times.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Wins and losses, that's what people really think about, and
doing everything leading It's just like the Thunder.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
All those numbers, Oh.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
They got the most double digit wins. Oh they did this,
Oh they want to total. None of it matters if
they don't finish the job. I'm telling you, nobody talks
about the Warriors. What were they seventy three and nine?
Nobody talks about that team because they they were part
of a three to one choke which never happened. Nobody
revers that team. They were unbelievable. They didn't lose more
(25:05):
than two games in a row until the finals, when
they did you know what I mean, when they lost
three in a row. So so you gotta seal the deal.
You have to win. The only way people will look
at Halli Burton and be like, my god, that dude
is a start is he has to win. If they
lose the next four games, do you think people gonna
be talking about the shots that he made in Game one?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
No, they will not talk about this whole did the
choke he took the mix out? No, he took the
Calves or the best He took the best team in
the East by far, the Calves.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
And even the one moment, even the one moment with
the choke, he stole that from Regi Miller.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
It ain't even as homoe.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
No, but he was paying homage nomage or homager homage.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
He was paying homage. No, but even homage.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
For the rest of you who want to say that
to Reggie, Why don't you know Regi Miller was sitting there,
rob No.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
But even then it's not his.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
And all I'm saying to you is people will not
celebrate that if they don't win. You gotta win, Kelvin.
Stop trying to crown people without winning. That's what's wrong
with society. That's why we have issues here. And these
young people think they're doing something without winning.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Look, you gotta win.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Look at me right now, that fan has won these
first three rounds.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Now he's where he's gotten that. That name I gave
him earlier, which one Indiana doesn't even work all the
way unless they win the championship. If they win the championship,
you could see right they're thirty for thirty Indiana.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Rogie, do me a favorite Google. How much is gonna
cost me to trademark that you better guy? Even though
he did it, I'm a trademark. I'll give him some pain.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Happens every day somebody's already done it. They listen to
the show Indiana. You already listen. What you said was cute.
It was adorable, and I'm pinching your cheeks. It was
really cute. That is not the case, Rob Parker. Can
we go cuss the pinch cheek?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Your and make sure all right, case to clench cheek
because now he's getting needles and stuff. I mean, Rob,
g omptible. People just coming and you stab? Are you
stabbing yourself or as a wife doing it?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
No? I stap myself. Do you really Yep? It's come
that far. You said you be dang with the dumbbells
an elliptical. Oh that's coming later eventually.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
So how long does it take for it to take
hold of you and then take pounds off?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
You?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Like, what's the I'm already down a pound and a
half in a day. No, you just took it a
good bathroom. Yeah, I really it.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
The dose that J'm on now is so minimal that
it doesn't really do anything. It's not un till next
month where I'm really cranking it up. Okay, right, anyway back,
I'm gonna win this weight loss challenge. By the way,
there you are, cheater.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
My point was Reggie Miller robs both of you is
Reggie Miller never won a championship, but all we talk
about was that ninety four run with those those you know,
the clutch plays that he was making against those Nicks.
So my point is, sometimes SGA might go on to
win finals MVP. I predict that he will. I predict
(28:08):
him to win. But if it ends up being just
a normal series and he wins finals MVP and they
win in five or six, we won't think about all
he have ever that Thunder team. But when I'm riching
Tyreese Halliburton, where I mentioned that that run twenty twenty
five playoffs, You're gonna think about how he came back
and beat the Bucks, how he came back and beat
the Cavs and hit big winners and game winners. How
(28:31):
he's four for four under two seconds, how he is
thirteen to fifteen on the season in crunch time, clutch minutes,
how he did the chokes on, how he went to
the hole said, ah, damn, you deflected. Let me skirt
all the way back and shoot a three, which he
thought was the three in the be the two.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
And I just think he has had a.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Remarkable run with the narrative that he's the most overrated
and he's telling y'all to to shut up overrate this.
What is Pops going crazy about? The scrap with y'all
is when I sent that boy home. Nah, this has
been the Talleries Halliburton.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
What the helly If he doesn't play well and he's
bad at the end and they lose three, they lose
the next four games, right, No one's gonna be talking
about this.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Postseason with Halliburton.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
What are gonna talk about? R They're gonna talk about
They're not. No, They're gonna talk about Shay getting a championship,
got the MVP. It'll be about him. It will not
be about what Halliburton did in a failed run. Now,
if they closed the deal, they win the championship. Now
you have a whole storyline, narrative. You relived that you
become a thirty for thirty. There is no thirty for
(29:35):
thirty without the championship.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
And that's the point the originanity. No, they had the
insanity one and he ain't do nothing. But for two
weeks I was termed the man got a thirty for
thirty over two weeks. What they're gonna do with Tyres Halliburton? No,
what the hell are they gonna do it?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
They're just making up stuff because it's not It's just like, uh,
what was the baseball movie?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I'm always with the ball A.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yes, they didn't even want to check, like they did
this whole movie, a full blown movie, and the best.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
They did with no, I'm not that stuff doesn't have
to be the win the Mepton No.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
But they also they had to doctor that up to
make it more appeal.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
It's gonna be like, Okay, it's not.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Let me tell you what if you want to doctor
it and say that he won a championship doing all that,
I got a doctor. You know, rock g you know
what it is. It's Rocky, Rocky. What he lost the
Apollo Creed and everybody loved Rocky was like man, that dude.
He fought Hardy made a name for himself. Rocky.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
If you get if I.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Can do it and you can do it, and we
can do it, this will be Tyre's Halliburton.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
He will be Rocky even if he loses. What the
hell he
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