August 2, 2025 • 26 mins
Rob and Kelvin explain why Daryl Morey is the wrong guy to question the legitimacy of the Los Angeles Lakers 2020 NBA championship in The Bubble, explain why they have a problem with Trey Hendrickson suggesting that contract holdouts are 'selfish', and debate whether it's fair to say that Trey Lance is the biggest bust in NFL history.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Trey Hendrickson has ended his holdout. He will be back
in Cincinnati with the Bengals this upcoming season, so that's.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
The big headline.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
But now, in the wake of his reporting, he's met
with the media couple of times, and his comments about
his decision to come back really raise some eyebrows around here.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Take it. Listen to what he said. What I'm not.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Gonna do is as best as I can, like avoid
being a distraction. You know, I want to help the guys,
you know, the guys that have helped me along the
way Tomorrow, Davis, Cam Jordan, even Sam Hubbard helped me
a lot when I was here, So to be that
right now, I think is that's what's most important. And
this narrative will kind of iron itself out as we
continue to progress towards the season, and Rob.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
G he wandup called himself, which I didn't hear in
that sound bite.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
He said later that the idea of holding out and
preventing younger players from learning from him is selfish.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Okay, And can I say this to Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You're crazy, your ma sugar naw. All you football players
is this on? Have been brain washed to think that
you're doing something wrong. Your CBA and your players union
Kelvin has put them in a spot. The only way
that they can get their fair value is to do
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what Hendrickson did, which is to hold out.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
There is no other option. What do you mean selfish?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Selfish is teams that you play well for them and
they tell you, you know what, No, you can come back,
but you gotta take a cut otherwise we're gonna release you.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
That's selfish because.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
When you played well, they didn't give you any more
money or do anything or let you out of your
deal or bump it up. No, come on, man, football players,
I'll never get it. How are you selfish? The system
doesn't work for you to be for it to be
fair to you. You have no recourse. You have nothing
(02:29):
else you can do other than sitting it out until
they come to their senses and take care of you.
I still don't understand this. They got terrible healthcare, terrible pension,
just terrible everything. The NFL is making money hand over fish.
(02:49):
You got a commission who makes fifty million dollars and
you think you're selfish, that's bread, being brainwashed to think
that you did something wrong.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
No, you're admirable.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
You're a stand up guy to stand up and say
I'm not gonna just fall in line and take whatever
you give me.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
And I'm just.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Happy to be here and humbled and yeah whatever, let
me let you throw some peanuts at my feet and
I'm good with it.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I respect people who are willing to stand up and
do something and.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Say I matter, my value matters.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
The reason that the NFL has been able to get
away with what they've done to these players is because
most of them are cowards and aren't willing to stand
up to ownership, aren't willing to stand up to the union,
aren't willing to stand up to the people that are
the powers that be. That's why they're in such a
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bad spot. Because most NFL players are a brainwashed and
be cowards with a capital C.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
And it's my boggling when you think.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
About how big and strong and feel ass these guys are,
but when it comes time to making sure that they
have the best contracting deal, they bow out. I salute you,
Trey Hendrickson, you are not n ot selfish.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
Well, I I was saluting him. The problem why I
got a chill on my salute is because he cowered
down and called himself being a bad guy and I'm
being a bad teammate.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
No, you're not.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
He talked about I want to get back. You know
why I want to get back, and went on show
leadership to the young guys. This is showing leadership to
the young guys. Standing up for yourself is absolutely a
way to do that. You can't be the NFL sack leader.
You can't be one of the best defensive players since
you got there. You're having thirteen plus sacks except once.
You can't be the guy that's sitting around here doing
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all this. When you look at the defensive metrics with
him on the field, it's absolutely astronomical difference than when
he's off. So he knows his worth, he know what
he brings to the Bengals organization. Now, this is an
organization that we know has been historically cheap. This has
been an organization that doesn't pay anybody guarantee contracts outside
of a year for the most part, except quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (05:14):
So this is to me.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I don't understand why people don't understand this. And this
goes for you listening. This goes for Trey Henderson, this
goes for Rob Parker, Kelvin Washington. You have to be
in the business of you. I am in the business
of Kelvin. I'm going to work hard, I'm going to
play and be a teammate. I'm gonna do absolutely what
I believe it's gonna be best for us, for you,
(05:35):
for me, the odd couple, but iHeart Media is in
business for iHeart and they're gonna do what's best for them.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
Kelvin has to do it's best for me.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Trey Henderson has to do its best for him in
the league, especially where you can do all that you can,
like he has, but be making fifteen million dollars. But
all the comparable guys who are doing exactly what you're doing, TJ. Watt,
Miles Miles Garrett are making three times what you're making
just about so advocating for yourself is admirable. Advocating for
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yourself is good business. Advocating for yourself is exactly what
you're supposed to be doing. But somehow, powerful people rob
have always tricked the younger, the little man, and they're
thinking it's everybody's fault but us. So you get players
who feel bad, Oh, I don't want to. I don't
want to me taking a haircut, Let me do it
for the team. And I don't want to. I don't
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want to be the guy that takes all the money.
Ownership takes all the money. They charge people twenty five
dollars for a beer, thank you, They charge you one
hundred dollars apart in a place where there's no other
wor place to park, but at your ballpark or your
stadium or your arena. And then you even look at
powerful politicians, they trick you, pay your taxes, do all this. Meanwhile,
they've paid seven hundred and fifty dollars, but they're billionaires
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and millionaires and I mean literally seven hundred and fifty
dollars in taxes. So somewhere along the line, ownership always
tricks the little man. You give your blood, sweat and
tears for seven years to a team. Six years to
a team you say, hey, I want to go somewhere
else wasn't working out. They didn't treat me right, they
didn't do all they could. You're the bad guy. So
I don't know how people fall for the okie dokee
every time. Trey Henderson absolutely deserves to get this money.
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He absolutely deserves to hold out if that's what he
chooses to do, and he should not feel bad about it.
In fact, he should be. This is how we do it.
This is how we build unity as a league and
as a players association by doing what's best for us.
And I don't get why he now it's bad leadership. No,
bad leadership is how the Bengals have run their business.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Or bad leadership is what Tom Brady did taking a
hometown discount and then making all the owners go, well,
you see what tom Brady did.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
He took less. Patrick mahomes woind up taking less too.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
No, tom Brady did an injustice to the rest of
the membership. You don't take less that creates other people
having to do that because he's one of the people
that people look up to.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Oh yeah, at his point of doing it justifiable. I
get it.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
He wants to keep winning. The problem is to what
you said. They're gonna use that against him. They're gonna
say against a big body, right, That's what I'm saying them,
is what I say against them. They're gonna say the
best in the business is doing this. Surely you can.
You know your only player X, your only player, why
you're not Tom Brady if he's doing.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
It, Surely you can.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Yeah, Trey Anderson, I love that he was standing on
business until he stops standing on business on it.
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Speaker 1 (09:35):
Rob g can you can you tell us what Daryl
moy said about the Lakers? You kind of dissed the
organization and Lebron and everybody knows.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
Rob Jacobs.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
The Athletic did a five year update post Bubble Championship
in a piece that ran earlier on Wednesday, and during
it they asked these guys for a series of questions,
you know, what was it like there, what do you remember?
And and ultimately what is the bubbles legacy in NBA circles?
Darryl Moury, former Rockets exact now with the Sixers, had
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this doozy of a take.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Here's what he said quote.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Had the Rockets won the title, absolutely would have celebrated
as legitimate, knowing the immense.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Effort and resilience required.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yet everyone I speak to around the league privately agrees
that it doesn't truly hold up as a genuine championship.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Really, is that where he's going?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Because I gotta tell you this, the only thing more
fraudulent than that bubble chip is Daryl Moury.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I mean, talk about a fraud.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Talk about all of the players he's moved, and all
the analytics and how smart he was and all this.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
He has nothing to show for it.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
How in the world could you even take that, put
that out of your mouth and say that when you
haven't won, Jack, Sure you can say it ain't the
greatest championship, but it's a championship. We're counting it I
don't know about you. We're counting it. When you look
at the NBA record books and you look in the
stats and you look at the championship by year, guess
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what it's in there. I hate to break it to
you guys. There's nothing in any major sports with an asterisk.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I know they bring them all old got an asterisk
next to it.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
No, nothing has an asterisk next to it. Zero nothing.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
It counts.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
They won, no matter what the circumstances were. The only
thing worse is to hear from a loser is a
guy who hasn't won. Seriously, keep your mouth shut. If
Daln Warret won three championships in three different cities or whatever, talk.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
All you wan he had one jack? Why why would
you bring the why are you talking about it?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And then he goes, well, if I would, I would
say it was legit too. Of course you would, do
you know why? Because they would have handed you a
trophy at the end. You would have got championship checks,
you would have got championship rings.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
What is this.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Trust? The process? I say, hush the process. That's what
I'm saying, Darrel Mory.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Hush.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
First of all, the one thing I just said was
and you just mentioned a hippocritical He already said if
I would have won, I would have counted that. But
my thing is, dude, this is coming from a guy
who trusted his system to James Harden, who was a known,
proven person that does not elevate his game in the postseason.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
Right.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
This is Daryl Moray who had a chance to go
to the Finals with those twenty seventeen rockets, hopefully in
their mind could beat the Warriors.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
They don't.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
You know why, Rob, because the process of shooting nothing
but threes oh for twenty seven is what cost him that.
This is the same guy that goes to another organization
with the seventy six ers and brings James Harden and
hitch his wagon to Harden, who has not performed in
the playoffs or in crunch time when it actually matters.
This is the same guy that has proven to draft
got Ben Simmons doesn't work out, Markel's folds, doesn't work
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out everywhere, every all the systems and guys and processes.
It hasn't counted for anything yet. So Darren Moray is good.
If you want to start something and maybe win fifty games,
I'll give you that I'll give you that. He can
go get a James hard and they can win. They
can find a way to do nothing but layups in
threes and they'll win fifty games. But ultimately, when we're
talking about championships, he is out of this conversation because
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he hasn't even sniffed the finals appearance, let alone actually
win a championship and a few things to remember about
the bubble, and I get it. I think the better
word for the bubble is unique. It was the most
unique situation.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I have no problem.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
But if people don't want to like to me, like
put it up there on a pedestal, or or bow
down to it, I don't have an issue to rat
it or make fun of it when you haven't won anything.
That's my issue is that of all people to have
there's a problem with it.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Phil Jackson can say that my thing about it. That's
why I use the term unique. Some people like Lebron
said it's the hardest one ever. I don't necessarily agree
with that, but I do believe it was the most
mentally challenging. I want to remad a couple of things
that folks were saying when you were if we were
called the bubble. This wasn't just the Lakers, this wasn't
just Lebron. You got Paul George. I underestimated the mental health. Honestly,
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I had anxiety, a little bit depression from being locked
in there. I just wasn't here. I was checked out.
You go to Jalen Brown being here in the bubble.
I guess people might not speak on it, but it
is a challenge for a lot of guys.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
It's like you're at work all the time.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
And he goes on to say how being isolated for
the rest of society, you know, Giannis not being able
to see her family, being there for three months, playing
games with no fans, it's going driving you mental. So
my point is, even you got other guys as well,
to Mark de Rozen talked about it.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
They don't talk about how much what you call a guy,
how much rest and you know what I mean, and
less distractions or whatever, and you could really focus in
on it and it was a trying time.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I get all the other stuff that comes with it
as well.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I think the only I think that really helped the
Lakers with the two players that they had oh.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
To get into the pause to that I can understand that.
That's why I said to me the word is unique,
because dude, I remember, I think, and further we get
from the bubble, I think the further we all get
from remembering COVID. I remember going to the grocery store
and genuinely thinking like, man, am I gonna get sick?
Well I die, Especially those first few months when we
didn't know what it was and they asked a lot
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of point. That last point I'll add to it is
when you talk about what that was for the Lakers,
you also have to add and they they were trying
to win it for Kobe as well. There would they
put that added pressure on the sales that we want
to win one for Mamba, So they had that as
well going But that I think, man, we as humans
forget how scary and how real COVID was that first
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go round. That first six months to a year, we
didn't know what it was. People most of us lost
family members of friends. I mean, that was a scary situation.
And to be away from your family when they could
get sick and you don't know and you couldn't leave,
that was a That was a very scary situation. So
I think it's the most unique the most trying. You
can say it was the hardest. We say it was
the you know, Disney bubble one. But to me, I
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think unique was the perfect word for me.
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Speaker 1 (16:21):
Rob g this game is so meaningless that Trey Lance
is playing.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I'm just saying, wow. I mean, let's just call it
what we want.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
Do you ain't like black quarterbacks?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
But dang, I'm just saying what.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
That's right?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Trey Lance, the former top three overall pick in the
NFL Draft twenty twenty one, We'll be getting the start
tonight in the Hall of Fame game because.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Twenty nine of brain Trust should have been fired years ago,
but they got lucky with the mister Irrelevant.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
That's what it's still around. Because Chargers QB one Justin
Herbert will not dress. Chargers QB two.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Tyler Heineg is being held out as just an emergency
Corsar back, So that means Trey Lance will be getting
the bulk of the snaps tonight. And guys, a couple
hours ago, I put this tweet out, not thinking much
of it until Martin Weiss retweets it and friend of
the SHO Daniel Kelly retweets it.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Apparently I was onto something.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
I put out this.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Tweet and let you let me know what you guys think.
I say, nobody brings it up because he went number three.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Is a number one.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But Trey Lance has to be the front runner for
the biggest bust in NFL history. Two teams didn't even
need to really see him play to decide he couldn't play.
That's unheard of for a first round pick. And here's
what I mean, guys, Trey Lance will be entering his
fifth NFL season. He's only started five games in his
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NFL career. This despite being taken third overall by the
forty nine ers and famously, as you guys mentioned, got
unsurped by mister irrelevant himself Brock Party in San Francisco,
got traded to the Dallas Cowboys for a fourth round
pick and a bag of peanuts. And you would think, hey,
Dak Rescott got hurt last year. I'm sure we saw
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plenty of Trey Lance in Dallas. No, they said, hey,
Cooper Rush is the guy we want to see, not
the guy we paid a fourth.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Round pick to get.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
So I don't think that it's even a question. I
believe Trey Lance is easily the biggest bus in NFL history.
Your thoughts, Calvin, he is so, I don't think he's
the biggest buss.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
I'm gonna tell you why. And I thought long and
hard about this. I looked at off scenarios. Here's why
he's the biggest bust. Now he's the quietest bust, and
that is the biggest one. But the reason why he's
so bad that nobody even gives him a chance to play.
And you start digging at some of the other guys,
rob they at least got seasons or another season, two,
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three seasons or sixteen eighteen twenty five starts. He doesn't
even get to start. And he was a third pick
and they moved all the way up to get him.
And part of the bust part of it is, mister irrelevant,
took your spot. That's that's you, the guy on the block,
and a nerdy little dude comes and takes your girl.
That can't happen, right, the little lame nerdy dude. In
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some nineteen eighties rom com stole your girl. Duck ducky
from what is that sweet sixteen or sixteen candles steals
your girl? That can't happen. Trey Lance is so bad.
He's so bad we actually forget about him. Because you
remember JaMarcus Russell, you remember Achille Smith, You for sure
remember Ryan Leaf. We bring these other guys up when
we talk about bus. Trey Lance is so bad, we
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actually don't forget about him. He's like the football version
of Anthony Bennett. You don't even remember Anthony Bennett. You
talk about OLAA Candy or maybe Ben Simmons when you
talk about bus Mark Hall Faults. Anthony Bennett was so
bad you forgot him. And that's what Trey Lance is.
We don't even remember him. So it's disappointing how he
doesn't even get a chance to play.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Teams don't even want him.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
And I think that's why for me, because when I
really look at it, other guys at least got fifteen
twenty five stars a few seasons. Usually you get your chances.
You might just but you get your chances. He's walking
up with the clipboard. They're saying, nah, bro we good.
And that's to me why he is he has to be.
He didn't even get a shot. Rob everybody else got
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a shot.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Uh, I disagree with you. Here's my problem. Trey Lance
to me was a was questionable at best. Okay, he
played one college season only through the ball. What he
had two hundred and eighty seven attempts, So he wasn't
even really you know what I mean, Like they thought
they were geniuses and they saw something because.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
You remember, the talk was he hadn't played enough.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
There wasn't enough tape on him, right, so for him
to be drafted for them to move up and draft
them third, that's on them. I don't what's his body
of work that you thought, seriously, Kelvin he was gonna
be something special. He didn't do anything in college. This
was a question mark from Jump Street. That's why he
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can't be the biggest bust. And then you have JaMarcus Russell,
of course, who was the overall number one pick and
that was just a disaster from day one. But I
still think that it's this guy who was the biggest
bust in NFL history.
Speaker 10 (21:15):
Due don't talk to me, all right, knock it up,
Ryan Leaf, don't talk to me like that.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Dude was was bonkers. He was terrible and he acted
like a baby. You know, he was like he was
unhinged because he was terrible and people were asking questions.
He was a guy right second overall pick and he
was like this guy where people thought you had a
quarterback of the future like this.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
This is the thing that's different is that people were like,
oh my god, Ryan Leif.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Started only eighteen games four and fourteen. He was supposed
to be the new hotness. He was supposed to be
something special. That's not what Trey Lance was supposed to be. Nobody.
That's why that's why the forty nine ers people get
off Scott free is because he really, if you're honest
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about it, and I get it, to be drafted as
third and they moved up. And here's the other part.
He didn't play enough for us to say that he
can't play. He got hurt in his first year. What
did he play, rob g Three games? Remember he played
like three games. One was in the rain, he got
hurt and then that was it. They really didn't give
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him a chance. Like that's why I can't believe that
he could be considered the greatest bust of all time.
He just did not get a chance to play enough.
Whereas I look at Ryan Leaf, the Ryan.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Leaf has clearly because of all the craziness and the
spiral in the personal life spiral.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
Now, obviously he's in to seem to be in a
better place. Now.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
If anybody you know, you've seen him speaking. But he
went off, he was unhanged, whiched. Yeah, his life went
down as well. Some of these guys when you look
dive deep into it, JaMarcus Russell being another.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
I mean, coming in.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Twenty at two ninety, coming in a camp at two
ninety is crazy as a quarterback getting a DVD that
has nothing on it and then they ask you, hey,
did you watch the tape? Yeah, I got I watched
the tape. Man that was you know, I I saw
all the highlights. Oh that dude, that's embarrassing. But so
I'm not mad at those. But the one thing I'm
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saying about Trey Lance is usually in NBA NFL it
would be something when you're a third pick, we're gonna run,
We're gonna exhaust all options with you.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
But he didn't playing college though, Can you at least
acknowledge that you know he.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Wasn't Peyton Manning esque or you know some guy coming
out Andrew Luck coming out of college. But I'm saying
to Zach Wilson, wasn't that guy coming out like that?
But Zack Wilson gets, you know, got a couple of years,
he got chances, he had no he had a better year.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
But I'm saying there have been other guys who come
from smaller schools.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
You've Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacko, and we can go down
the list of guys who come Josh Allen who come
from smaller people.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Was stuned when the forty nine has moved up to
take him.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I mean, I just like which I'm saying, because they're
trying to be geniuses.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
If I That's why I'm in saying.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
You know, owners love to prove themselves right, and you
had to be so bad that they went all the
way up, gave up a bunch to get you, get you,
and then go no, we're good and credit them because
you and I have talked about how many times if
you make a mistake, you got to own it, You
got to move on. Joe, what's the quote from Joe
Dumars that's right.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
It ain't about being right, it's about getting it right.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Forty nine ers because it now here we are We're
just what a month or so ago. Brock Party just
got a big check, so they got their guy. So
credit them for that, because a lot of teams do
what I'm saying. They hold on. They hold on the.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Super Bowl with block Party, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Just to just to keep, just to prove a point.
No no, no, no, we got it right, trust me.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
Give him some time. No no, no, we got to right.
Let him get healthy. No no, no, we got it right.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
He was so bad they said, we're willing to move
on and get mister irrelevant here now to the tune
of him getting a big, huge, massive contract. But Ryan Lee,
obviously I'll never be mad at that because the parallels
to him are tied to Peyton Manning too.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
Like it wasn't just he was the guy and he failed.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
The guy before you the one and two punch, if
you will, was Peyton Manning that and that worked out.
A sneaky name in here is a kill Smith if
you remember him, Achille Smith with the Bengals. He was
a third overall pick back in ninety nine and he
ended up being terrible and the biggest thing is the
Bengals really were the biggest losers in this because Mike
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Dicka was willing to give them nine picks because he
wanted to get Ricky Williams so bad. He was gonna
give them nine picks if he would just for that
one swap. And they chose not to do it because
they thought Achille Smith was gonna be the guy. So
that's a massive one because what could have been And
had you gotten all those picks, you know, and you
(25:59):
could have answered franchise for a decade.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
But Didkin made a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Oh my god, but that but he's lucky at the
that the Bengals didn't take it.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
Yeah, so a Kille Smith with the Bengals as a
sleeper one.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
But he got hurt early too, didn't he? I remember
him getting.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
He got hurt. I believe it was his second year.
But but what was.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
The running back from the Bengals on his first snap
from was it running back who got hurt?
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Like the first snap from center? It was almost like
the Aaron Rodgers Johnny Carter? Yeah, right, Like could Johnny Carter?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Like if it was John Carter from Penn State, he
was likely to be it was like his first snap.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Yeah, he was supposed to be that. I mean, he
was that guy in college. But then yeah, he yeah,
he didn't work out in the league. That's the crash Wire.
Listen that, Troy. That's why Trey Anderson get your money
when you came. Man, you never know what's gonna happen
in this league, in this game.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Trey Hendrickson has ended his holdout. He will be back
in Cincinnati with the Bengals this upcoming season, so that's.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
The big headline.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
But now, in the wake of his reporting, he's met
with the media couple of times, and his comments about
his decision to come back really raise some eyebrows around here.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Take it. Listen to what he said. What I'm not.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Gonna do is as best as I can, like avoid
being a distraction. You know, I want to help the guys,
you know, the guys that have helped me along the
way Tomorrow, Davis, Cam Jordan, even Sam Hubbard helped me
a lot when I was here, So to be that
right now, I think is that's what's most important. And
this narrative will kind of iron itself out as we
continue to progress towards the season, and Rob.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
G he wandup called himself, which I didn't hear in
that sound bite.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
He said later that the idea of holding out and
preventing younger players from learning from him is selfish.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Okay, And can I say this to Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You're crazy, your ma sugar naw. All you football players
is this on? Have been brain washed to think that
you're doing something wrong. Your CBA and your players union
Kelvin has put them in a spot. The only way
that they can get their fair value is to do
(01:49):
what Hendrickson did, which is to hold out.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
There is no other option. What do you mean selfish?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Selfish is teams that you play well for them and
they tell you, you know what, No, you can come back,
but you gotta take a cut otherwise we're gonna release you.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
That's selfish because.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
When you played well, they didn't give you any more
money or do anything or let you out of your
deal or bump it up. No, come on, man, football players,
I'll never get it. How are you selfish? The system
doesn't work for you to be for it to be
fair to you. You have no recourse. You have nothing
(02:29):
else you can do other than sitting it out until
they come to their senses and take care of you.
I still don't understand this. They got terrible healthcare, terrible pension,
just terrible everything. The NFL is making money hand over fish.
(02:49):
You got a commission who makes fifty million dollars and
you think you're selfish, that's bread, being brainwashed to think
that you did something wrong.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
No, you're admirable.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
You're a stand up guy to stand up and say
I'm not gonna just fall in line and take whatever
you give me.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
And I'm just.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Happy to be here and humbled and yeah whatever, let
me let you throw some peanuts at my feet and
I'm good with it.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I respect people who are willing to stand up and
do something and.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Say I matter, my value matters.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
The reason that the NFL has been able to get
away with what they've done to these players is because
most of them are cowards and aren't willing to stand
up to ownership, aren't willing to stand up to the union,
aren't willing to stand up to the people that are
the powers that be. That's why they're in such a
(03:50):
bad spot. Because most NFL players are a brainwashed and
be cowards with a capital C.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
And it's my boggling when you think.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
About how big and strong and feel ass these guys are,
but when it comes time to making sure that they
have the best contracting deal, they bow out. I salute you,
Trey Hendrickson, you are not n ot selfish.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
Well, I I was saluting him. The problem why I
got a chill on my salute is because he cowered
down and called himself being a bad guy and I'm
being a bad teammate.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
No, you're not.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
He talked about I want to get back. You know
why I want to get back, and went on show
leadership to the young guys. This is showing leadership to
the young guys. Standing up for yourself is absolutely a
way to do that. You can't be the NFL sack leader.
You can't be one of the best defensive players since
you got there. You're having thirteen plus sacks except once.
You can't be the guy that's sitting around here doing
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all this. When you look at the defensive metrics with
him on the field, it's absolutely astronomical difference than when
he's off. So he knows his worth, he know what
he brings to the Bengals organization. Now, this is an
organization that we know has been historically cheap. This has
been an organization that doesn't pay anybody guarantee contracts outside
of a year for the most part, except quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (05:14):
So this is to me.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I don't understand why people don't understand this. And this
goes for you listening. This goes for Trey Henderson, this
goes for Rob Parker, Kelvin Washington. You have to be
in the business of you. I am in the business
of Kelvin. I'm going to work hard, I'm going to
play and be a teammate. I'm gonna do absolutely what
I believe it's gonna be best for us, for you,
(05:35):
for me, the odd couple, but iHeart Media is in
business for iHeart and they're gonna do what's best for them.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
Kelvin has to do it's best for me.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Trey Henderson has to do its best for him in
the league, especially where you can do all that you can,
like he has, but be making fifteen million dollars. But
all the comparable guys who are doing exactly what you're doing, TJ. Watt,
Miles Miles Garrett are making three times what you're making
just about so advocating for yourself is admirable. Advocating for
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yourself is good business. Advocating for yourself is exactly what
you're supposed to be doing. But somehow, powerful people rob
have always tricked the younger, the little man, and they're
thinking it's everybody's fault but us. So you get players
who feel bad, Oh, I don't want to. I don't
want to me taking a haircut, Let me do it
for the team. And I don't want to. I don't
(06:25):
want to be the guy that takes all the money.
Ownership takes all the money. They charge people twenty five
dollars for a beer, thank you, They charge you one
hundred dollars apart in a place where there's no other
wor place to park, but at your ballpark or your
stadium or your arena. And then you even look at
powerful politicians, they trick you, pay your taxes, do all this. Meanwhile,
they've paid seven hundred and fifty dollars, but they're billionaires
(06:47):
and millionaires and I mean literally seven hundred and fifty
dollars in taxes. So somewhere along the line, ownership always
tricks the little man. You give your blood, sweat and
tears for seven years to a team. Six years to
a team you say, hey, I want to go somewhere
else wasn't working out. They didn't treat me right, they
didn't do all they could. You're the bad guy. So
I don't know how people fall for the okie dokee
every time. Trey Henderson absolutely deserves to get this money.
(07:10):
He absolutely deserves to hold out if that's what he
chooses to do, and he should not feel bad about it.
In fact, he should be. This is how we do it.
This is how we build unity as a league and
as a players association by doing what's best for us.
And I don't get why he now it's bad leadership. No,
bad leadership is how the Bengals have run their business.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Or bad leadership is what Tom Brady did taking a
hometown discount and then making all the owners go, well,
you see what tom Brady did.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
He took less. Patrick mahomes woind up taking less too.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
No, tom Brady did an injustice to the rest of
the membership. You don't take less that creates other people
having to do that because he's one of the people
that people look up to.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Oh yeah, at his point of doing it justifiable. I
get it.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
He wants to keep winning. The problem is to what
you said. They're gonna use that against him. They're gonna
say against a big body, right, That's what I'm saying them,
is what I say against them. They're gonna say the
best in the business is doing this. Surely you can.
You know your only player X, your only player, why
you're not Tom Brady if he's doing.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
It, Surely you can.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Yeah, Trey Anderson, I love that he was standing on
business until he stops standing on business on it.
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Speaker 1 (09:35):
Rob g can you can you tell us what Daryl
moy said about the Lakers? You kind of dissed the
organization and Lebron and everybody knows.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
Rob Jacobs.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
The Athletic did a five year update post Bubble Championship
in a piece that ran earlier on Wednesday, and during
it they asked these guys for a series of questions,
you know, what was it like there, what do you remember?
And and ultimately what is the bubbles legacy in NBA circles?
Darryl Moury, former Rockets exact now with the Sixers, had
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this doozy of a take.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Here's what he said quote.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Had the Rockets won the title, absolutely would have celebrated
as legitimate, knowing the immense.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Effort and resilience required.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yet everyone I speak to around the league privately agrees
that it doesn't truly hold up as a genuine championship.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Really, is that where he's going?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Because I gotta tell you this, the only thing more
fraudulent than that bubble chip is Daryl Moury.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I mean, talk about a fraud.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Talk about all of the players he's moved, and all
the analytics and how smart he was and all this.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
He has nothing to show for it.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
How in the world could you even take that, put
that out of your mouth and say that when you
haven't won, Jack, Sure you can say it ain't the
greatest championship, but it's a championship. We're counting it I
don't know about you. We're counting it. When you look
at the NBA record books and you look in the
stats and you look at the championship by year, guess
(11:17):
what it's in there. I hate to break it to
you guys. There's nothing in any major sports with an asterisk.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I know they bring them all old got an asterisk
next to it.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
No, nothing has an asterisk next to it. Zero nothing.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
It counts.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
They won, no matter what the circumstances were. The only
thing worse is to hear from a loser is a
guy who hasn't won. Seriously, keep your mouth shut. If
Daln Warret won three championships in three different cities or whatever, talk.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
All you wan he had one jack? Why why would
you bring the why are you talking about it?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And then he goes, well, if I would, I would
say it was legit too. Of course you would, do
you know why? Because they would have handed you a
trophy at the end. You would have got championship checks,
you would have got championship rings.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
What is this.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Trust? The process? I say, hush the process. That's what
I'm saying, Darrel Mory.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Hush.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
First of all, the one thing I just said was
and you just mentioned a hippocritical He already said if
I would have won, I would have counted that. But
my thing is, dude, this is coming from a guy
who trusted his system to James Harden, who was a known,
proven person that does not elevate his game in the postseason.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
Right.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
This is Daryl Moray who had a chance to go
to the Finals with those twenty seventeen rockets, hopefully in
their mind could beat the Warriors.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
They don't.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
You know why, Rob, because the process of shooting nothing
but threes oh for twenty seven is what cost him that.
This is the same guy that goes to another organization
with the seventy six ers and brings James Harden and
hitch his wagon to Harden, who has not performed in
the playoffs or in crunch time when it actually matters.
This is the same guy that has proven to draft
got Ben Simmons doesn't work out, Markel's folds, doesn't work
(13:08):
out everywhere, every all the systems and guys and processes.
It hasn't counted for anything yet. So Darren Moray is good.
If you want to start something and maybe win fifty games,
I'll give you that I'll give you that. He can
go get a James hard and they can win. They
can find a way to do nothing but layups in
threes and they'll win fifty games. But ultimately, when we're
talking about championships, he is out of this conversation because
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he hasn't even sniffed the finals appearance, let alone actually
win a championship and a few things to remember about
the bubble, and I get it. I think the better
word for the bubble is unique. It was the most
unique situation.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I have no problem.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
But if people don't want to like to me, like
put it up there on a pedestal, or or bow
down to it, I don't have an issue to rat
it or make fun of it when you haven't won anything.
That's my issue is that of all people to have
there's a problem with it.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Phil Jackson can say that my thing about it. That's
why I use the term unique. Some people like Lebron
said it's the hardest one ever. I don't necessarily agree
with that, but I do believe it was the most
mentally challenging. I want to remad a couple of things
that folks were saying when you were if we were
called the bubble. This wasn't just the Lakers, this wasn't
just Lebron. You got Paul George. I underestimated the mental health. Honestly,
(14:22):
I had anxiety, a little bit depression from being locked
in there. I just wasn't here. I was checked out.
You go to Jalen Brown being here in the bubble.
I guess people might not speak on it, but it
is a challenge for a lot of guys.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
It's like you're at work all the time.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
And he goes on to say how being isolated for
the rest of society, you know, Giannis not being able
to see her family, being there for three months, playing
games with no fans, it's going driving you mental. So
my point is, even you got other guys as well,
to Mark de Rozen talked about it.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
They don't talk about how much what you call a guy,
how much rest and you know what I mean, and
less distractions or whatever, and you could really focus in
on it and it was a trying time.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I get all the other stuff that comes with it
as well.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I think the only I think that really helped the
Lakers with the two players that they had oh.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
To get into the pause to that I can understand that.
That's why I said to me the word is unique,
because dude, I remember, I think, and further we get
from the bubble, I think the further we all get
from remembering COVID. I remember going to the grocery store
and genuinely thinking like, man, am I gonna get sick?
Well I die, Especially those first few months when we
didn't know what it was and they asked a lot
(15:25):
of point. That last point I'll add to it is
when you talk about what that was for the Lakers,
you also have to add and they they were trying
to win it for Kobe as well. There would they
put that added pressure on the sales that we want
to win one for Mamba, So they had that as
well going But that I think, man, we as humans
forget how scary and how real COVID was that first
(15:45):
go round. That first six months to a year, we
didn't know what it was. People most of us lost
family members of friends. I mean, that was a scary situation.
And to be away from your family when they could
get sick and you don't know and you couldn't leave,
that was a That was a very scary situation. So
I think it's the most unique the most trying. You
can say it was the hardest. We say it was
the you know, Disney bubble one. But to me, I
(16:06):
think unique was the perfect word for me.
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Speaker 1 (16:21):
Rob g this game is so meaningless that Trey Lance
is playing.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I'm just saying, wow. I mean, let's just call it
what we want.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
Do you ain't like black quarterbacks?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
But dang, I'm just saying what.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
That's right?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Trey Lance, the former top three overall pick in the
NFL Draft twenty twenty one, We'll be getting the start
tonight in the Hall of Fame game because.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Twenty nine of brain Trust should have been fired years ago,
but they got lucky with the mister Irrelevant.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
That's what it's still around. Because Chargers QB one Justin
Herbert will not dress. Chargers QB two.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Tyler Heineg is being held out as just an emergency
Corsar back, So that means Trey Lance will be getting
the bulk of the snaps tonight. And guys, a couple
hours ago, I put this tweet out, not thinking much
of it until Martin Weiss retweets it and friend of
the SHO Daniel Kelly retweets it.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Apparently I was onto something.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
I put out this.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Tweet and let you let me know what you guys think.
I say, nobody brings it up because he went number three.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Is a number one.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But Trey Lance has to be the front runner for
the biggest bust in NFL history. Two teams didn't even
need to really see him play to decide he couldn't play.
That's unheard of for a first round pick. And here's
what I mean, guys, Trey Lance will be entering his
fifth NFL season. He's only started five games in his
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NFL career. This despite being taken third overall by the
forty nine ers and famously, as you guys mentioned, got
unsurped by mister irrelevant himself Brock Party in San Francisco,
got traded to the Dallas Cowboys for a fourth round
pick and a bag of peanuts. And you would think, hey,
Dak Rescott got hurt last year. I'm sure we saw
(18:02):
plenty of Trey Lance in Dallas. No, they said, hey,
Cooper Rush is the guy we want to see, not
the guy we paid a fourth.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Round pick to get.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
So I don't think that it's even a question. I
believe Trey Lance is easily the biggest bus in NFL history.
Your thoughts, Calvin, he is so, I don't think he's
the biggest buss.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
I'm gonna tell you why. And I thought long and
hard about this. I looked at off scenarios. Here's why
he's the biggest bust. Now he's the quietest bust, and
that is the biggest one. But the reason why he's
so bad that nobody even gives him a chance to play.
And you start digging at some of the other guys,
rob they at least got seasons or another season, two,
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three seasons or sixteen eighteen twenty five starts. He doesn't
even get to start. And he was a third pick
and they moved all the way up to get him.
And part of the bust part of it is, mister irrelevant,
took your spot. That's that's you, the guy on the block,
and a nerdy little dude comes and takes your girl.
That can't happen, right, the little lame nerdy dude. In
(19:04):
some nineteen eighties rom com stole your girl. Duck ducky
from what is that sweet sixteen or sixteen candles steals
your girl? That can't happen. Trey Lance is so bad.
He's so bad we actually forget about him. Because you
remember JaMarcus Russell, you remember Achille Smith, You for sure
remember Ryan Leaf. We bring these other guys up when
we talk about bus. Trey Lance is so bad, we
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actually don't forget about him. He's like the football version
of Anthony Bennett. You don't even remember Anthony Bennett. You
talk about OLAA Candy or maybe Ben Simmons when you
talk about bus Mark Hall Faults. Anthony Bennett was so
bad you forgot him. And that's what Trey Lance is.
We don't even remember him. So it's disappointing how he
doesn't even get a chance to play.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Teams don't even want him.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
And I think that's why for me, because when I
really look at it, other guys at least got fifteen
twenty five stars a few seasons. Usually you get your chances.
You might just but you get your chances. He's walking
up with the clipboard. They're saying, nah, bro we good.
And that's to me why he is he has to be.
He didn't even get a shot. Rob everybody else got
(20:11):
a shot.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Uh, I disagree with you. Here's my problem. Trey Lance
to me was a was questionable at best. Okay, he
played one college season only through the ball. What he
had two hundred and eighty seven attempts, So he wasn't
even really you know what I mean, Like they thought
they were geniuses and they saw something because.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
You remember, the talk was he hadn't played enough.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
There wasn't enough tape on him, right, so for him
to be drafted for them to move up and draft
them third, that's on them. I don't what's his body
of work that you thought, seriously, Kelvin he was gonna
be something special. He didn't do anything in college. This
was a question mark from Jump Street. That's why he
(20:58):
can't be the biggest bust. And then you have JaMarcus Russell,
of course, who was the overall number one pick and
that was just a disaster from day one. But I
still think that it's this guy who was the biggest
bust in NFL history.
Speaker 10 (21:15):
Due don't talk to me, all right, knock it up,
Ryan Leaf, don't talk to me like that.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Dude was was bonkers. He was terrible and he acted
like a baby. You know, he was like he was
unhinged because he was terrible and people were asking questions.
He was a guy right second overall pick and he
was like this guy where people thought you had a
quarterback of the future like this.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
This is the thing that's different is that people were like,
oh my god, Ryan Leif.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Started only eighteen games four and fourteen. He was supposed
to be the new hotness. He was supposed to be
something special. That's not what Trey Lance was supposed to be. Nobody.
That's why that's why the forty nine ers people get
off Scott free is because he really, if you're honest
(22:15):
about it, and I get it, to be drafted as
third and they moved up. And here's the other part.
He didn't play enough for us to say that he
can't play. He got hurt in his first year. What
did he play, rob g Three games? Remember he played
like three games. One was in the rain, he got
hurt and then that was it. They really didn't give
(22:36):
him a chance. Like that's why I can't believe that
he could be considered the greatest bust of all time.
He just did not get a chance to play enough.
Whereas I look at Ryan Leaf, the Ryan.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Leaf has clearly because of all the craziness and the
spiral in the personal life spiral.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
Now, obviously he's in to seem to be in a
better place. Now.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
If anybody you know, you've seen him speaking. But he
went off, he was unhanged, whiched. Yeah, his life went
down as well. Some of these guys when you look
dive deep into it, JaMarcus Russell being another.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
I mean, coming in.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Twenty at two ninety, coming in a camp at two
ninety is crazy as a quarterback getting a DVD that
has nothing on it and then they ask you, hey,
did you watch the tape? Yeah, I got I watched
the tape. Man that was you know, I I saw
all the highlights. Oh that dude, that's embarrassing. But so
I'm not mad at those. But the one thing I'm
(23:27):
saying about Trey Lance is usually in NBA NFL it
would be something when you're a third pick, we're gonna run,
We're gonna exhaust all options with you.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
But he didn't playing college though, Can you at least
acknowledge that you know he.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Wasn't Peyton Manning esque or you know some guy coming
out Andrew Luck coming out of college. But I'm saying
to Zach Wilson, wasn't that guy coming out like that?
But Zack Wilson gets, you know, got a couple of years,
he got chances, he had no he had a better year.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
But I'm saying there have been other guys who come
from smaller schools.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
You've Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacko, and we can go down
the list of guys who come Josh Allen who come
from smaller people.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Was stuned when the forty nine has moved up to
take him.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I mean, I just like which I'm saying, because they're
trying to be geniuses.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
If I That's why I'm in saying.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
You know, owners love to prove themselves right, and you
had to be so bad that they went all the
way up, gave up a bunch to get you, get you,
and then go no, we're good and credit them because
you and I have talked about how many times if
you make a mistake, you got to own it, You
got to move on. Joe, what's the quote from Joe
Dumars that's right.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
It ain't about being right, it's about getting it right.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Forty nine ers because it now here we are We're
just what a month or so ago. Brock Party just
got a big check, so they got their guy. So
credit them for that, because a lot of teams do
what I'm saying. They hold on. They hold on the.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Super Bowl with block Party, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Just to just to keep, just to prove a point.
No no, no, no, we got it right, trust me.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
Give him some time. No no, no, we got to right.
Let him get healthy. No no, no, we got it right.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
He was so bad they said, we're willing to move
on and get mister irrelevant here now to the tune
of him getting a big, huge, massive contract. But Ryan Lee,
obviously I'll never be mad at that because the parallels
to him are tied to Peyton Manning too.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
Like it wasn't just he was the guy and he failed.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
The guy before you the one and two punch, if
you will, was Peyton Manning that and that worked out.
A sneaky name in here is a kill Smith if
you remember him, Achille Smith with the Bengals. He was
a third overall pick back in ninety nine and he
ended up being terrible and the biggest thing is the
Bengals really were the biggest losers in this because Mike
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Dicka was willing to give them nine picks because he
wanted to get Ricky Williams so bad. He was gonna
give them nine picks if he would just for that
one swap. And they chose not to do it because
they thought Achille Smith was gonna be the guy. So
that's a massive one because what could have been And
had you gotten all those picks, you know, and you
(25:59):
could have answered franchise for a decade.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
But Didkin made a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Oh my god, but that but he's lucky at the
that the Bengals didn't take it.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
Yeah, so a Kille Smith with the Bengals as a
sleeper one.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
But he got hurt early too, didn't he? I remember
him getting.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
He got hurt. I believe it was his second year.
But but what was.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
The running back from the Bengals on his first snap
from was it running back who got hurt?
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Like the first snap from center? It was almost like
the Aaron Rodgers Johnny Carter? Yeah, right, Like could Johnny Carter?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Like if it was John Carter from Penn State, he
was likely to be it was like his first snap.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Yeah, he was supposed to be that. I mean, he
was that guy in college. But then yeah, he yeah,
he didn't work out in the league. That's the crash Wire.
Listen that, Troy. That's why Trey Anderson get your money
when you came. Man, you never know what's gonna happen
in this league, in this game.
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