August 30, 2025 • 33 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin tell us why the addition of Micah Parsons still won’t be enough for the Green Bay Packers to vault to the top of the NFC North, and explain why this trade should inspire Parsons to reset his leadership style and cut back on all the public commentary. Plus, Doomsday Podcast host and FOXSports.com columnist Matt Mosley swings by to discuss the mood around Dallas after the Micah trade, what's next for the Cowboys after dealing their franchise player to Green Bay, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Jerry's been going at it since this thing started about
fifteen minutes ago, and we'll get some sound for the
guys at that in just a minute. But there's another
side of that, and that is the other side is
the Packers gave up a couple of first rounds picks
and that had been on the radar Martin for about
a week or so. It's been the reports that the
Packers have been interested in getting Micah in his services.
(00:45):
So a couple of reason why this is interesting. One,
the Packers don't like to pay a bunch of money
to free agents. Okay, ends table in comparison, Okay, because
the go ahead. Yes in comparison, ye yeah, in comparison
in other teams. They don't typically spin like other teams do.
And of course historically they've had a bunch of success,
(01:07):
so you can obviously point. You can say, well, look
we do pretty dog on well doing things our way,
so going to get him. Another thing that makes us
interesting for the Packers is they're the younger, one of
the youngest teams in the entire NFL, and then they
get a guy who's only twenty six and he's still
just really entering his prime and it can be a
remarkable force for them. So when you're the Packers, you're thinking,
you got your guys sold up, you got Jordan Love
(01:28):
by the way, signed to the same agent, and now
you got these two guys on the same team.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
We'll talk about that a little bit later.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
You got to be feeling good and you're in the
division where some people say it's the Lions. Some people say, man,
the Vikings is going to be right back where they
were even with JJ because the defense is too good.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
All he has to do is manage it.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Some people highing the Packers, some even have the Bears
being much much better than they were last year when
you look at that division. To me, in this new
signing of Micah, do I think it makes it difficult
at times for the Lions. Yes, and that's the team
I still feel who is the best in the division.
Even with the acquisition of Micah for the Packers, I
(02:05):
think the Lions. Yes, they lost some coordinators big time.
That's a big deal. I'm not gonna belittle that. However,
they didn't lose any core of that offense. They still
got Laporter, they still got the running back combination that
has been deadly for now a handful of years. They
still got Williams Jomo, they still got Imen around Saint Brown,
who's one of the best safety blankets in the entire
NFL and can still score a bunch of touchdowns. And
(02:27):
I think they also have a Jared Goff who was
ticked off of how he performed in the postseason against
a rookie, and Jaydon Daniels. So I still look at
and inleand your head coach too, who creates the kind of
the mantra, the vibe, the ethos of the team. So
I still look at the Lions as the team to
beat in that division. I understand J. J.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I am not as high on JJ even though from
an arburnt Michigan not as high as other people are.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So to me, the Lions this is yours to lose.
Do I think you go fifteen and two.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
No, you may go back a couple of games thirteen
or twelve even, But I think it's their division. I
think the Packers did what they're supposed to do and
trying to secure it. And also think what they did
with this Martin was say, Jordan Love, we didn't gave
you the bag. We didn't got arguably one of the
best one, two three defenders in the league. This is
your run to do what your predecessors have done. Brett
(03:22):
Favre got a ring, went to a couple of Super Bowls.
Aaron Rodgers a couple of Super Bowls, got one.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
This is your run. We got you the money early.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
We got a guy on your on your you call
like a record lay who he's on you. You're saying
an agent, We've got some young talent around you who
hopefully should be growing and getting better. This is the
run way, let's go. And I think they say, now
you're in your runway that we've done with Aaron Rodgers,
we did with Brett fav You're up.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I think that this is definitely a bet on, obviously
a big bet on Jordan Love, which the biggest bet
of Jordan Love was giving him all that money. As
you said, both of these players repped with by David Legetto.
So obviously, when you have a relationship with an agent Dallas, Jerry,
I know you're talking right now, but when you get off,
(04:09):
if you catch the podcast, when you have a relationship
with an agent, it is easier to get deals done.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
It's football GM in one on one. I know you've
been there.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Longer, Jerry, but you know, sometimes fresh eyes can help
see a scenario. But for me, I had real questions
about the other. To me, every team in the NFC
North has major questions.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And it was the best division.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
In the NFC last year when you look at the
top of the teams, and then even Green Bay I
only won one game in division, but you know everybody
would talk about them, was a pretty good team. And
then Chicago obviously dumpster fire last year in terms of
coaching and everything else, but promising you on rookie and
Kayleb Williams, and you got a head coach in Ben
Johnson who a lot of people are very very high on.
(05:00):
So reasons for you know, optimism in Chicago, although they
would be like if you're just looking at the record,
be like why the buy one hundred bears? The Lions
losing both their coordinators. To me is this is the
most important offseason in Lions history. This has also been
(05:21):
the most prolonged success the Lions have had in thirty years, right,
and this is the first real time where you are
paying the price for success. So which kind of head
coach is Dan Campbell? Is the answer we are going
to get this season? Because to me, one of the
(05:41):
things that completely is over i mean underrated in Kyle
Shanahan's career is his ability to both hire and fire
coordinators every single year when they were really on their
hot streak, really on their run. He was losing passing
game cordators, offensive cooridators, defensive coordinators, and didn't matter because
Shanahan was continued to hire people and he was like
(06:03):
he kept hitting out of the park. And the one
time that they made the mistake at defensive coordinator, they
lost in the Super Bowl at overtime. Okay, now did
it as a resulted in the Super Bowl? No, But
there's a lot of teams Jerry Jones right now with
trade a whole lot to have the success the forty
nine has had in the postseason over the last five
years compared to what he has. Are you the forty
(06:23):
nine ers or are you the Eagles? The Eagles lost both.
They went to the Super Bowl, and everybody says Jalen
Hurts had a great game in that game. He did
have a fumble six in a game that they lost
by a touchdown, right, but they were still in the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
A team that had a super Bowl level type of roster.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
They lose both their coordinators, fall off a cliff second
half of the season. One to nine dog walked in
the playoffs, losing the wild card to Tampa, and then
all of a sudden boom, make the right hires again in.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
The Super Bowl, win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Right now, the forty nine has had some injury disreptioncies
there too, Lion, should everybody back what type of coaches?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Dan Campbell?
Speaker 4 (07:04):
That's the answer that we get right here, because I agree,
fifteen wins, I don't need to see that, But I
need to see a team that is still a top
of the NFC North because this roster, to me, is
the best in the NFC North.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Minnesota too many questions at quarterback. I went to Michigan.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I was clapping and standing on the table when they
ran the ball for the twenty seventh straight time against
Penn State. You know, oh, I was just so excited
because that's just kype of football, a that I love
to watch. But also I thought JJ McCarthy put the
ball at risk. I know he didn't throw a lot
of interceptions. Watched the Rose Bowl, Caleb Down, Shoa and Shorter.
That's a pick, Marcus May, that's a pick, right, he
(07:43):
would just overthrow easy pass. He just he wasn't a
we're jumping up the tenth to get that guy. I
think that's what was shocking for me.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I think speaking for you too, where nobody's saying he
can't be a late first round. All he did was win.
But the jump of the tenth was like, wait, did
I miss something? Because I swear I thought I saw
just about every pass in his career. Did I miss something?
So we're gonna find out who he is.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
But one of the most interesting to me sliding door
moments in the last sliding door moments where if one
thing went a little differently, the whole league would have
been in a different spot. Aaron Jones ran for like
one fifty something in that wildcard game when Green Bay
was remember they were the first I believe seven seed,
(08:22):
the first extra wildcard team to win a playoff game.
They go into Jerry's world, they beat Dallas and Aaron
Jones runs all over them. The Packers let Aaron Jones
walk to Minnesota make Jordan Love at that point the
highest payed quarterback in football, and Michael Parsons was on
that roster for Dallas and got crushed for being quote
unquote invisible. In that postseason game, the Dak played terribly
(08:46):
as well. Jerry Jones today just said one of the
things that we need to show up with we need
to be able to stop the run.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And I know he's thinking about that game in this moment.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
And if you in fact think, if you're Jerry Jones,
and you in fact I think that Michael Parsons is
not worth this money, not worth this type of deal,
because even though there's a discrepancy in what he was
offered compared to what like ultimately so there was a
big gap of a five million dollars there, which is
pretty significant. But I again, if there had been like
(09:17):
maybe just regular negotiations here, who probably could have found
a middle ground because Michael was his son advised to
stay in doubts, he said he wanted to stay Jerry.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I can't imagine Jerry's.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Not thinking about those playoff games, thinking about how Michael
Parsons wasn't quite there.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
And if he thinks that this is a massive.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Overpay, then good job by you, because the Lions are
gonna be really good in this division.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
The Vikings have a great roster. And if they hit
on this quarterback and they.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Kevin O'Connell, depending on how you you listen to him saying,
oh I love the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
You look at the all Steason moves.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
He was on the phone with every other quarterback and
seemed so see how it actually plays out. And then
you have the Packers like and then you have the
Bears rather who just hired Ben Johnson and they expect
to have a lot of success. This might be a
team that gets beat up in the division regards us
of what they did.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Well, they're gonna get beat up regardless to me. I've
already told Rob g that I think the Commanders are
going to be right about the same back and so.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Know what I'm saying. The Packers might be a team
that get beat up in their division.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
If everything the way the NFC North plays out, you
might have got some pretty high first round picks.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Here just in general.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
And you know, and I'm not saying I don't think
they're gonna have a terrible year, but no, I picked
the Packers to be third in the in the North.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Probably still third in the North.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
They're nine and eleven games to me, somewhere around there
between nine and eleven. The thing that I think also
helped Jerry sleep at night tonight is that he can say, well,
look at the other guys who've gotten paid in that same,
you know, type of position, TJ Watt, Well, TJ, what
have you done for me lately?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Oh? That's I know that's coming today.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
They haven't done anything in the postseason with TJ Watt.
They haven't won a game eight nine years. Miles Garrett
got all the money, hasn't really done anything. I know
they got one with Joe Flacco. But point is it's not.
Their perennial defense isn't great. They're always in the postseason.
So I think that's one thing that Jerry Jones when
he hits that in the night and he sleeps good.
He's gonna be able to say, man, I know he's good,
(11:05):
I know he's great, but one defensive end, you know,
outside linebacker, doesn't change the game like this. He ain't
Lawrence Taylor, back Crosby, Max Crosby spectacular. Everybody wanted him
to get traded last season. Go to it the Lions,
you know, because they were hurt with a Hutchinson. So
I think that is something he can sell himself and say,
(11:26):
great as these guys are, they're not making that much
of a difference. And those types of guys really only
make a difference when they become kind of the hitman
for hire. And we'll talk about that a little bit
later on. Just some teams that maybe could have jumped
in there as well.
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Speaker 1 (11:50):
We're joined Nybou Matt Mosley from the Doomsday Podcast in
Foxsports dot Com and he's gonna help us break this
down a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Matt.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
How you doing, man, I'm doing okay. I mean it
was going to be a leisurely Thursday before some huge
college football coverage, and then my day changed in a
big way at about four o'clock Central Local time today.
So Jerry, it always keeps it interesting. So I guess
(12:18):
an eight part Netflix series wasn't enough for him. He
had to add to it with this.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
So yeah, he's going to add a ninth He's going
to add a ninth episode real quick. You're just is
this on a scale to one to ten, ten being
absolutely shocked, one being not shocked at all?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Where are you with this actual trade happening.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Pally like an eight? I just think it was starting
to get kind of ugly, and I was having a
hard time imagining, you know, the next couple of years
if they tried to let him play on his current
deal and then do a franchise tag. I mean, this
thing was gonna get ugly. He was already seeking second
(13:00):
opinion on his back, where it almost kind of looked
like he might try to sit out a little bit
longer and perhaps blame an injury. I can't wait to
see Micah in Green Bay. Something tells me that back's
gonna look a lot better. He's gonna the back's gonna
start feeling better. He's gonna come racing out of there.
It is amazing what forty seven million, forty seven million
(13:20):
dollars a year can do. So uh yeah, I so
eight or nine. But it's still I just think you
cannot even believe, like just the shell shock of the fans, Like,
so this doesn't approach that night that the Luca trade
went down, like it's like the biggest gut punch like
(13:41):
in the history of Dallas foot or sports like that
was other than just like the two thousand and six
finals loss, which felt like that was rob from the Mavericks,
but that that was a huge gut punch. This at
least like he's been upset. There's been anger both ways,
and the player wasn't shot because basically the player came
(14:03):
out and asked for a trade. So it can't be
as shocking as the Luca deal. But you can understand
the metroplex. The fan base around here has had enough
of this, and for a team that honestly probably didn't
have that much of a shot against the Eagles of
the Commanders in a tough division this year, now really
(14:24):
has no shot and so it comes across as a
complete you know, like it's over and maybe maybe the
trade will hit and these these all these draft pixel hit.
But right now I think a lot of people are
pretty upset.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Matt Mosley here on the acle, I know Jerry's about
to start talking in a couple of seconds here, so
I know you got to get to that, But I
do want to ask you where did the generous do?
What are the genesis of this anger scene to come from?
The surprise here is we've seen Jerry signed Dak last minute,
signed CD last minute, and this would have been the
like again that would have been part for the course, Micah,
(15:01):
to me, how much of this was the fact that
it seemed like Jerry wanted to pay him didn't Michael
wanted to be a cowboy, but Jerry didn't want to
call David Middlegetta like that felt like a major thing
in this whole story to me, I am I offer
on on that it was.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
I mean, Jerry likes to go straight to players, He's
done it in the past. I just think in this case,
you know, most players will say, hey, man, bug off,
go talk to my agent, and I mean they're respectful
about it. But in this case, Jerry legitimately thought he
had a deal done and that they were on a number.
(15:38):
And then wait, I think and Jerry's been doing all
this media here recently to try to like win this
thing somehow publicly, and there was no way in the
world he was going to do that. And now the message,
by the way, brand new coach the locker room, you've
(15:58):
already seen some of the reactions from his teammates, whether
it's Diggs or CD or whoever. The locker room is
in shock and is saddened. And yeah, it was completely
There were a couple of different things that happened. I
think there was disrespect toward the player in the sense
that he kind of I think I think Michael was embarrassed.
(16:20):
It was kind of like Jerry was trying to say, dude,
you agree to a deal. And then the agent Jerry
tried to clown on him and act like he didn't
know his name and he doesn't talk to agents. He
didn't call him up. And they've been working with agents forever.
I mean, you think Eugene Parker wasn't in Jerry's office
working on a deal for Dion all those years ago.
(16:41):
I mean, like these agents have been talking to Jerry
and Steven forever and to act like it otherwise was crazy.
So this was some weird sort of end around. And
at the bottom line is I think Jerry just got
sick of getting beaten up on these deals. I mean,
that gets sixty million a yeards probably the second highest
(17:01):
paid wide receiver in the game, and I just think
Jerry was done with it and just thought, you know,
I'm going to try to avoid letting this, letting this player.
And then and then they just got to an impass
and and you know, the rest is history. He's moved on,
and now the Packers are doing with Micah kind of
(17:22):
what the Cowboys did all those years ago with with
Charles Haley. I mean, they didn't start winning Super Bowls.
I mean that was what put him over the top,
was getting Charles Haley. And they're not the same person.
They're not the same kind of they're not the exact
same player, except they are both holy terrors when it
comes to a pass rush. I would say Charles was
a holy terror in other areas too.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, we're not gonna get onto that. You know, we
want to keep our jobs. Some of the stuff that
he was doing real quick, run out of time, and
I know you want to go watch and see what
Jerry Jones has to say say as well, Matt real quick.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
For me, I feel they punted on the season like it's.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
A rat if they ever thought they had a chance
to compete for the Vision, get a wildcard, spy whatever,
they've punned on that's my opinion.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
You yeah, they're done. I mean all you got to
do is look at last year Michael missed four games
and like they didn't even have a chance. I mean,
and he came back and the numbers completely changed. The
defensive numbers. I mean they had they I mean, they
obviously had right there in front of them. They had
all the numbers they needed to show with it. When
(18:26):
this guy plays, they're a completely different team now. Or
they a team that was out there knocking on the
door to go to the Super Bowl. No, no, So
I think that's probably And again somebody made a good
point on Twitter. They're basically like this, this GM can
do things like this because he knows he's never going
to get fired. There's no way he's ever going to
(18:47):
lose his job. So if he needs to make a decision,
that's for the betterment or you know, for it helps
the team. Three or four years down the road. He
can do it. And most gms, I mean, you know,
if they do something like this, they don't have the
security to think, well, this thing may not pan out
for two or three years. And with this guy, he's
not going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
No, he has that luck to Hey, Matt, we appreciate you,
Matt Mosley again, Doomsday Podcast, Foxsports dot Com.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Appreciate your time, brother, Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1 (20:29):
I will start with this shout out to Rob because
me and Rob had many conversations obviously about this Mica,
about this Jerry Jones, and my whole thought process was,
you know, hopefully, if you're Jerry Jones, this is what
you do is part for the chorus blah blah blah.
They're gonna find a way and I'm not in the
business of wanting to trade my best player. Rob was saying, hey,
(20:49):
if you can get a haul for him, you know
you trade them. I think they ended up being split
somewhere down the middle because I don't think they got
a haul for one of the top maybe you know,
ten twelve players in the league. Sure, I don't think
you got a haul for that. I don't think you
got enough. And I still stand that, and I think
you would agree. We talked about it. That fine, if
you're gonna trade him, why trade him now when you
(21:10):
could have traded him earlier, right around the draft and
actual and actualized those two first round picks, right you
could have hate we got these things, we could turn
right around and use them. And so you could have
done it earlier. You could have done it last year.
Maybe even got more as far as actual players and picks.
So to me, it split down the middle. He could
have got much more if he were going to trade them,
based on when he could have traded him. So, now, Martin,
(21:32):
we hear this coming out, that this was a unanimous
decision to trade him, and so according to Nick Nick Harris,
a Fort Worth Star Telegram sources, behind the scenes, they
basically said the relationship between the Cowboys and Micah had
gotten so bad obviously over the last few weeks with
all the stuff going on, it was irreparable.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
And that Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
And he confirmed it with other people that listen, we're
gonna have to make this trade. And that you had
the front office in, you had some of the front
facing players, some of the leaders on the team that
were consulted in this. They were in and there was
a unanimous decision once it got to this point that
it has the last couple of weeks, including coach Brian
Schottenheimer being involved in this as well.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
So to me, I look at this a couple of ways, Martin.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
One, this is where we got to I still stand
a lot of the portion is on Jerry Jones and
the business and the way he handled his business and
the reasons why.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
He does what he does.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
That's how we got to this place where it became
a unanimous decision. So when you get when you don't
trade him, when you had the opportunity, as we mentioned it,
well now you're kind of forced to get what you
can get, right, I will just take what we can get.
When you could have had more people who were throwing
out offers, had you talked about this a few months ago,
or even before the draft.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
More teams jump in right, Hey, well shoot.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
It, mic is up. I'll give you this could have
had much more, a bigger feel to choose from. So
number one, I blame that on Jerry the way handle it.
You could traded him a couple of years ago when
your front office and your team came to you. Hey, man,
if we're gonna trade Micael right now. We know we
gotta pay him at some point, we don't want to,
it's'ld be a great time to do it. He's youngest,
twenty four, he's in all pro. We can get a
lot for him. Nah, we're gonna keep him couple of years.
(23:12):
I'mna sign him. That doesn't happen. You don't sign them,
you trade, you don't get that much. So of course
you forced your hand to where now you can't go back.
Micah's upset. Micah's causing a fuss. He's laying on the
training table, he's eating popcorn. He's telling Atlanta Falcons fans
to call him. You're over here yelling it. You're going
at it with the agent. You've got to the place,
so there's no return. Now, since we're here, let me
(23:36):
offer you this Martin. When a relationship ends, you've been
in a relationship. Hopefully the one you're in never gonna
end because you just got married. Congrats again, thank you.
But you've been in ones that have we all have.
And and by the way, relationship don't have to be romantic.
You can be business and partners. It could be homeboys
your friend. And that is a two sided coin. I
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say that to say, all, right, here we are. Now
this relationship ended. Well, Michael, let me offer you this.
This is a chance for you to hit reset. This
is a chance for you to say, well, dang, if
everybody's saying I'm crazy, maybe I am. And what I
mean by that, Michael Martin, is that if everybody on
Jerry get it right, michaeh, yeah, you're not crazy. Yeah,
(24:20):
let me get back to this where you are a
little crazy on you know, part time on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
But look, if we get reports that they're questioning his
leadership right his own team, if we get reports that
you had many many come to the coaches and say, hey, man,
I don't know what to do with this guy.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Hey, this guy's getting a little beside himself.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
We have his own players coming out on podcasts saying
they don't like what he says. It's on podcasts and
we know what he's done. He's jumped in other people's money.
That's one of the things all athletes tell you, and man,
don't talk about my money. That's between me and ownership.
You don't jump in another bad's money and putting opinions
out there on that. He's done that. He's talked about
his own coaching staff. He's questioning them when they lost
in the playoffs of Green Bay, calling them out. I'm
(25:05):
not the one putting me out there, y'all. Man, I'm
a linebacker.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
They too it. I don't call the players up.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
When you have all of these things starting to happen,
you have you're supposed to be the best player in
the leader. Now it's time to self reflect, right, Okay,
So wipe your hands clean.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I'm going to Green Bay. What do I need to do?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Because there's two parts, two reasons why a relationship ends.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
It ain't just them. How do you improve?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
So to me, this reset Micah is a great time
for Micah to look in the mirror and.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Say, I got to become a better leader.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
There's ways I can get better defensively, and just because
I can doesn't mean I should have a podcast because
I'm hurting my teammates feelings and putting things out there
for fodder that comes back at them. I'm Dak is
all of a sudden getting shots thinking I'm taking shot
to him because I don't mention him in the top
ten quarterbacks. And now Dak is sitting there coming out
(25:54):
of practice. We should be talking about what happened on
the practice field. I got to answer questions of these.
So you had your fun a few years of the podcast.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
You did some good things with it. Great.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Now it's trying to buckle down, bunker down, And to me,
it's okay for you to reset, It's okay for you
to reassess, it's okay for you to switch up how
you've been doing things. And to me, I look at
this opportunity for Micah as well, because you don't come
off this thing scathe or you know, free and spotless
and flawless.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
You've got some things you need to change.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
So I think what's fascinating is because we all were
looking at this again, this trade. Shout out to Ricky
Schmokes or Scoops or whatever his name was on Twitter
a few days ago, but before that, it was before that,
and then Brian Cooton goes kind of not just out
really laughing and said, you guys are listening to Twitter trolls,
(26:44):
don't you know, let's eat Line's app and kind of
giving it like not not a non.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Answer, it's like, wait a minute, is this real?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
So we all kind of thought that the deal was
gonna get done this entire time. And one of the
things that made me feel different about this the whole
time I've been I've been working for people who have
been locked in to every move of Jerry Jones for
almost the last ten years.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I've seen.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I saw that I've covered the Zeke negotiations from a
far international scale. I'm not saying I'm in the Star
are there every day? But I covered two DAC everyday
news cycle. How are we getting this done? Covered the
Zeke one. The one that made this different is when
you looked at just the last four to three years
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of the Cowboys, especially the last two years of the Cowboys,
as Michael Parson's star began to grow bigger than the
one that was just on his helmet. Right when Michael
Parsons was drafted. You remember he had sat out his
COVID year, so he was kind of and it was
like the eleventh picking the draft of twelfth picking the draft.
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So people were high on him as a prospect, but
it was kind of like, oh, does he love football?
All the things that people will say about any draft picked.
Then he comes in and I remember Tej Housman's who's
on this network, told me after two games Michael Parsons
should never drop back in the coverage again.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
That boy is a Hall of fame At Rusher, I
was like, oh, TJ, you've been a little.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
No, no, no, he's he's like that, right, he's like that,
and to that point, Michael Parson since that point has
been like that. But the Cowboys, Jerry is the one
whose name's on front of the check, right, Jerry's signing
in front of that thing, not the back. He's not
in doors. He's the check to cash and Jerry's the
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one who's signing the front of it. And you can
deal with a little bit of noise from the man
in charge, right, because demand in charge is demand in charge.
But by Wednesday of the Cowboys week, it's about what
Michael Parson's had to say, and a lot of times
Michael Parsons will say, well, Jerry said, we're all in,
(28:51):
where's the all in?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Do you know?
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Like this type of situation, there is no Tuesday Owner
conversation in Green Bay. Michael Parsons will be the story
if he continues this podcast along the way. I don't
see it stopping for the record. But I also don't
see like Michael Parson's obstensibly, in my opinion, has gotten
(29:14):
a bit of a pass for the things he has
said along the way because Jerry is the foil on
the other side of this thing. It's like if a first,
it's like if jj Reddick had went on and won
a championship in year one, nobody would have gave him
the credit for it because everybody said, well, he's the
Brons guy, even if JJ Reddick was instrumental in developing
(29:36):
the talent and drawing everything up. And it's like, you
can directly point to why JJ Reddick did all these
things that Darvingham couldn't, so on and so forth. Everybody, Look,
that's Lebrons guy. You know he's gonna win it anyway.
That's kind of how it probably would sound that's just
not that foil. That other big personality doesn't exist in
Green Bay. Michael Parsons is the big personality. He is
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going to be. He's taking his star to Green Bay,
and there's nobody who even comes close to rivaling when
Michael Parson says something, He's gonna be the biggest voice
in your organization.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
See absolutely.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
And that's why to me, Mark, if he were to
go there doing all that, it could backfire in the
sense of if you're if I also, I.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Don't want to cut you off, but let's just say
you say if I don't think anything about Michael Parsons
says he's going to stop, do you no?
Speaker 3 (30:29):
But there's a massive butt though.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
There's a point in everybody's life where you're offering an
opportunity to say, maybe I can mix it up a
little bit, maybe I do the podcast in a different form.
Nobody's saying don't ever speak about things. But the idea
that you're speaking about your teammates behind their back is
kind of crazy. And what I mean is we just
lose a game. You go on your podcast. We shouldn't
have did that.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I don't like I ain't the one.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
That's different than if he goes to the podcast, say
with me and you and him, and we're talking about
Marvel movies. So nobody's saying you can't do a podcast.
It's in the sense of the way in what you're
doing and can conduct a business. You're throwing coaches under
the bus. Nobody like, dude, we're supposed to be all
in the bunker hole together, right, me and you, Me
and you were doing the show.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Obviously, me and Rob Parker do the show.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
We all we gotta be in this bunker together, and
we gotta have some stuff out.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
All right, Yo, let's go do lunch, me you Rober,
what's up? What's go? But the idea to go on air?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
He ain't here bashed and I don't like he know that, Like, dude,
come on, we're in this thing.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Talk to me.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Let's figure it out, let's grow, let's build report, let's chemistry.
And I'm saying that type of thing, especially in a
town that is close knit, in a town that doesn't
have ownership, in a town that's kind of done it
their own way. We're not a big city. We kind
of have our own quirky ways. I think that could
grow very tiresome. At least in Dallas. It's the big Deed.
It's got the other it's got the Mavericks, it's got
(31:45):
other things in the city. It's a lot going on. Dude,
you come here with all that loudness. When we're chill,
you don't hear nothing.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Jordan Love he speaks, but he's never really saying anything crazy,
And up until the last little bit, Aaron Rodgers wasn't
say much. I'm just saying that could be too much,
especially for a guy who's new and doesn't have equity.
You're not that draft pick. We haven't grown with you
for seven years. So that's what I'm saying. It's not
that you can't ever talk about things, but dude, question
the teammates and this and why we did that on
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its usually taboo.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Kelvin, you sure you didn't get equity in that deal?
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
He might have got some equity out of that deal.
The ownership group is fluid in Green Bay. He might
have gotten a little equity as much money as they
offered him and he and he signed for.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I gotta check the CBA.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I gotta check the CBA to see if he can
if he can get some ownerships by some other way,
so maybe put in his mama name or something.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
My last point on this one, though, with the with
the Micah thing and the Jerry and unanimous, there are
not many of these stories. However, in the time that
Jerry's been there, there have been times, quite famously. The
one that comes to mind first where Johnny Manziel he said,
I want Johnny Manziel and Stephen Jones and ask anybody
(32:55):
to tell the story, Jay, you tell you himself. Stephen
Jones said, no draft Zach Martin. I don't draft Johnny
Manziel and the rest is history. Is Jack Martin allpro
ring of honor guy, Hall of Fame caliber guy for
the Cowboys. I think that Jerry when he says this
was unanimous decision, I believe them.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I believe Well, what I just heard you say was
maybe I should listen to Stephen more. That's just what
I heard. I just heard you say. Maybe I should
continue to be the owner, the marketer, the the you know,
the guy who helps prop up the Cowboys. But maybe
I should let Steven just gm. Wouldn't that be a
novel idea?
Speaker 4 (33:31):
According to what we heard yesterday, Stephen was unanimously in
on this, so he did
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Jerry's been going at it since this thing started about
fifteen minutes ago, and we'll get some sound for the
guys at that in just a minute. But there's another
side of that, and that is the other side is
the Packers gave up a couple of first rounds picks
and that had been on the radar Martin for about
a week or so. It's been the reports that the
Packers have been interested in getting Micah in his services.
(00:45):
So a couple of reason why this is interesting. One,
the Packers don't like to pay a bunch of money
to free agents. Okay, ends table in comparison, Okay, because
the go ahead. Yes in comparison, ye yeah, in comparison
in other teams. They don't typically spin like other teams do.
And of course historically they've had a bunch of success,
(01:07):
so you can obviously point. You can say, well, look
we do pretty dog on well doing things our way,
so going to get him. Another thing that makes us
interesting for the Packers is they're the younger, one of
the youngest teams in the entire NFL, and then they
get a guy who's only twenty six and he's still
just really entering his prime and it can be a
remarkable force for them. So when you're the Packers, you're thinking,
you got your guys sold up, you got Jordan Love
(01:28):
by the way, signed to the same agent, and now
you got these two guys on the same team.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
We'll talk about that a little bit later.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
You got to be feeling good and you're in the
division where some people say it's the Lions. Some people say, man,
the Vikings is going to be right back where they
were even with JJ because the defense is too good.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
All he has to do is manage it.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Some people highing the Packers, some even have the Bears
being much much better than they were last year when
you look at that division. To me, in this new
signing of Micah, do I think it makes it difficult
at times for the Lions. Yes, and that's the team
I still feel who is the best in the division.
Even with the acquisition of Micah for the Packers, I
(02:05):
think the Lions. Yes, they lost some coordinators big time.
That's a big deal. I'm not gonna belittle that. However,
they didn't lose any core of that offense. They still
got Laporter, they still got the running back combination that
has been deadly for now a handful of years. They
still got Williams Jomo, they still got Imen around Saint Brown,
who's one of the best safety blankets in the entire
NFL and can still score a bunch of touchdowns. And
(02:27):
I think they also have a Jared Goff who was
ticked off of how he performed in the postseason against
a rookie, and Jaydon Daniels. So I still look at
and inleand your head coach too, who creates the kind of
the mantra, the vibe, the ethos of the team. So
I still look at the Lions as the team to
beat in that division. I understand J. J.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I am not as high on JJ even though from
an arburnt Michigan not as high as other people are.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So to me, the Lions this is yours to lose.
Do I think you go fifteen and two.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
No, you may go back a couple of games thirteen
or twelve even, But I think it's their division. I
think the Packers did what they're supposed to do and
trying to secure it. And also think what they did
with this Martin was say, Jordan Love, we didn't gave
you the bag. We didn't got arguably one of the
best one, two three defenders in the league. This is
your run to do what your predecessors have done. Brett
(03:22):
Favre got a ring, went to a couple of Super Bowls.
Aaron Rodgers a couple of Super Bowls, got one.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
This is your run. We got you the money early.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
We got a guy on your on your you call
like a record lay who he's on you. You're saying
an agent, We've got some young talent around you who
hopefully should be growing and getting better. This is the
run way, let's go. And I think they say, now
you're in your runway that we've done with Aaron Rodgers,
we did with Brett fav You're up.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I think that this is definitely a bet on, obviously
a big bet on Jordan Love, which the biggest bet
of Jordan Love was giving him all that money. As
you said, both of these players repped with by David Legetto.
So obviously, when you have a relationship with an agent Dallas, Jerry,
I know you're talking right now, but when you get off,
(04:09):
if you catch the podcast, when you have a relationship
with an agent, it is easier to get deals done.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
It's football GM in one on one. I know you've
been there.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Longer, Jerry, but you know, sometimes fresh eyes can help
see a scenario. But for me, I had real questions
about the other. To me, every team in the NFC
North has major questions.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And it was the best division.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
In the NFC last year when you look at the
top of the teams, and then even Green Bay I
only won one game in division, but you know everybody
would talk about them, was a pretty good team. And
then Chicago obviously dumpster fire last year in terms of
coaching and everything else, but promising you on rookie and
Kayleb Williams, and you got a head coach in Ben
Johnson who a lot of people are very very high on.
(05:00):
So reasons for you know, optimism in Chicago, although they
would be like if you're just looking at the record,
be like why the buy one hundred bears? The Lions
losing both their coordinators. To me is this is the
most important offseason in Lions history. This has also been
(05:21):
the most prolonged success the Lions have had in thirty years, right,
and this is the first real time where you are
paying the price for success. So which kind of head
coach is Dan Campbell? Is the answer we are going
to get this season? Because to me, one of the
(05:41):
things that completely is over i mean underrated in Kyle
Shanahan's career is his ability to both hire and fire
coordinators every single year when they were really on their
hot streak, really on their run. He was losing passing
game cordators, offensive cooridators, defensive coordinators, and didn't matter because
Shanahan was continued to hire people and he was like
(06:03):
he kept hitting out of the park. And the one
time that they made the mistake at defensive coordinator, they
lost in the Super Bowl at overtime. Okay, now did
it as a resulted in the Super Bowl? No, But
there's a lot of teams Jerry Jones right now with
trade a whole lot to have the success the forty
nine has had in the postseason over the last five
years compared to what he has. Are you the forty
(06:23):
nine ers or are you the Eagles? The Eagles lost both.
They went to the Super Bowl, and everybody says Jalen
Hurts had a great game in that game. He did
have a fumble six in a game that they lost
by a touchdown, right, but they were still in the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
A team that had a super Bowl level type of roster.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
They lose both their coordinators, fall off a cliff second
half of the season. One to nine dog walked in
the playoffs, losing the wild card to Tampa, and then
all of a sudden boom, make the right hires again in.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
The Super Bowl, win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Right now, the forty nine has had some injury disreptioncies
there too, Lion, should everybody back what type of coaches?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Dan Campbell?
Speaker 4 (07:04):
That's the answer that we get right here, because I agree,
fifteen wins, I don't need to see that, But I
need to see a team that is still a top
of the NFC North because this roster, to me, is
the best in the NFC North.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Minnesota too many questions at quarterback. I went to Michigan.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I was clapping and standing on the table when they
ran the ball for the twenty seventh straight time against
Penn State. You know, oh, I was just so excited
because that's just kype of football, a that I love
to watch. But also I thought JJ McCarthy put the
ball at risk. I know he didn't throw a lot
of interceptions. Watched the Rose Bowl, Caleb Down, Shoa and Shorter.
That's a pick, Marcus May, that's a pick, right, he
(07:43):
would just overthrow easy pass. He just he wasn't a
we're jumping up the tenth to get that guy. I
think that's what was shocking for me.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I think speaking for you too, where nobody's saying he
can't be a late first round. All he did was win.
But the jump of the tenth was like, wait, did
I miss something? Because I swear I thought I saw
just about every pass in his career. Did I miss something?
So we're gonna find out who he is.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
But one of the most interesting to me sliding door
moments in the last sliding door moments where if one
thing went a little differently, the whole league would have
been in a different spot. Aaron Jones ran for like
one fifty something in that wildcard game when Green Bay
was remember they were the first I believe seven seed,
(08:22):
the first extra wildcard team to win a playoff game.
They go into Jerry's world, they beat Dallas and Aaron
Jones runs all over them. The Packers let Aaron Jones
walk to Minnesota make Jordan Love at that point the
highest payed quarterback in football, and Michael Parsons was on
that roster for Dallas and got crushed for being quote
unquote invisible. In that postseason game, the Dak played terribly
(08:46):
as well. Jerry Jones today just said one of the
things that we need to show up with we need
to be able to stop the run.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And I know he's thinking about that game in this moment.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
And if you in fact think, if you're Jerry Jones,
and you in fact I think that Michael Parsons is
not worth this money, not worth this type of deal,
because even though there's a discrepancy in what he was
offered compared to what like ultimately so there was a
big gap of a five million dollars there, which is
pretty significant. But I again, if there had been like
(09:17):
maybe just regular negotiations here, who probably could have found
a middle ground because Michael was his son advised to
stay in doubts, he said he wanted to stay Jerry.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I can't imagine Jerry's.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Not thinking about those playoff games, thinking about how Michael
Parsons wasn't quite there.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
And if he thinks that this is a massive.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Overpay, then good job by you, because the Lions are
gonna be really good in this division.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
The Vikings have a great roster. And if they hit
on this quarterback and they.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Kevin O'Connell, depending on how you you listen to him saying,
oh I love the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
You look at the all Steason moves.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
He was on the phone with every other quarterback and
seemed so see how it actually plays out. And then
you have the Packers like and then you have the
Bears rather who just hired Ben Johnson and they expect
to have a lot of success. This might be a
team that gets beat up in the division regards us
of what they did.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Well, they're gonna get beat up regardless to me. I've
already told Rob g that I think the Commanders are
going to be right about the same back and so.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Know what I'm saying. The Packers might be a team
that get beat up in their division.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
If everything the way the NFC North plays out, you
might have got some pretty high first round picks.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Here just in general.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
And you know, and I'm not saying I don't think
they're gonna have a terrible year, but no, I picked
the Packers to be third in the in the North.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Probably still third in the North.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
They're nine and eleven games to me, somewhere around there
between nine and eleven. The thing that I think also
helped Jerry sleep at night tonight is that he can say, well,
look at the other guys who've gotten paid in that same,
you know, type of position, TJ Watt, Well, TJ, what
have you done for me lately?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Oh? That's I know that's coming today.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
They haven't done anything in the postseason with TJ Watt.
They haven't won a game eight nine years. Miles Garrett
got all the money, hasn't really done anything. I know
they got one with Joe Flacco. But point is it's not.
Their perennial defense isn't great. They're always in the postseason.
So I think that's one thing that Jerry Jones when
he hits that in the night and he sleeps good.
He's gonna be able to say, man, I know he's good,
(11:05):
I know he's great, but one defensive end, you know,
outside linebacker, doesn't change the game like this. He ain't
Lawrence Taylor, back Crosby, Max Crosby spectacular. Everybody wanted him
to get traded last season. Go to it the Lions,
you know, because they were hurt with a Hutchinson. So
I think that is something he can sell himself and say,
(11:26):
great as these guys are, they're not making that much
of a difference. And those types of guys really only
make a difference when they become kind of the hitman
for hire. And we'll talk about that a little bit
later on. Just some teams that maybe could have jumped
in there as well.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
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Speaker 1 (11:50):
We're joined Nybou Matt Mosley from the Doomsday Podcast in
Foxsports dot Com and he's gonna help us break this
down a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Matt.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
How you doing, man, I'm doing okay. I mean it
was going to be a leisurely Thursday before some huge
college football coverage, and then my day changed in a
big way at about four o'clock Central Local time today.
So Jerry, it always keeps it interesting. So I guess
(12:18):
an eight part Netflix series wasn't enough for him. He
had to add to it with this.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
So yeah, he's going to add a ninth He's going
to add a ninth episode real quick. You're just is
this on a scale to one to ten, ten being
absolutely shocked, one being not shocked at all?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Where are you with this actual trade happening.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Pally like an eight? I just think it was starting
to get kind of ugly, and I was having a
hard time imagining, you know, the next couple of years
if they tried to let him play on his current
deal and then do a franchise tag. I mean, this
thing was gonna get ugly. He was already seeking second
(13:00):
opinion on his back, where it almost kind of looked
like he might try to sit out a little bit
longer and perhaps blame an injury. I can't wait to
see Micah in Green Bay. Something tells me that back's
gonna look a lot better. He's gonna the back's gonna
start feeling better. He's gonna come racing out of there.
It is amazing what forty seven million, forty seven million
(13:20):
dollars a year can do. So uh yeah, I so
eight or nine. But it's still I just think you
cannot even believe, like just the shell shock of the fans, Like,
so this doesn't approach that night that the Luca trade
went down, like it's like the biggest gut punch like
(13:41):
in the history of Dallas foot or sports like that
was other than just like the two thousand and six
finals loss, which felt like that was rob from the Mavericks,
but that that was a huge gut punch. This at
least like he's been upset. There's been anger both ways,
and the player wasn't shot because basically the player came
(14:03):
out and asked for a trade. So it can't be
as shocking as the Luca deal. But you can understand
the metroplex. The fan base around here has had enough
of this, and for a team that honestly probably didn't
have that much of a shot against the Eagles of
the Commanders in a tough division this year, now really
(14:24):
has no shot and so it comes across as a
complete you know, like it's over and maybe maybe the
trade will hit and these these all these draft pixel hit.
But right now I think a lot of people are
pretty upset.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Matt Mosley here on the acle, I know Jerry's about
to start talking in a couple of seconds here, so
I know you got to get to that, But I
do want to ask you where did the generous do?
What are the genesis of this anger scene to come from?
The surprise here is we've seen Jerry signed Dak last minute,
signed CD last minute, and this would have been the
like again that would have been part for the course, Micah,
(15:01):
to me, how much of this was the fact that
it seemed like Jerry wanted to pay him didn't Michael
wanted to be a cowboy, but Jerry didn't want to
call David Middlegetta like that felt like a major thing
in this whole story to me, I am I offer
on on that it was.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
I mean, Jerry likes to go straight to players, He's
done it in the past. I just think in this case,
you know, most players will say, hey, man, bug off,
go talk to my agent, and I mean they're respectful
about it. But in this case, Jerry legitimately thought he
had a deal done and that they were on a number.
(15:38):
And then wait, I think and Jerry's been doing all
this media here recently to try to like win this
thing somehow publicly, and there was no way in the
world he was going to do that. And now the message,
by the way, brand new coach the locker room, you've
(15:58):
already seen some of the reactions from his teammates, whether
it's Diggs or CD or whoever. The locker room is
in shock and is saddened. And yeah, it was completely
There were a couple of different things that happened. I
think there was disrespect toward the player in the sense
that he kind of I think I think Michael was embarrassed.
(16:20):
It was kind of like Jerry was trying to say, dude,
you agree to a deal. And then the agent Jerry
tried to clown on him and act like he didn't
know his name and he doesn't talk to agents. He
didn't call him up. And they've been working with agents forever.
I mean, you think Eugene Parker wasn't in Jerry's office
working on a deal for Dion all those years ago.
(16:41):
I mean, like these agents have been talking to Jerry
and Steven forever and to act like it otherwise was crazy.
So this was some weird sort of end around. And
at the bottom line is I think Jerry just got
sick of getting beaten up on these deals. I mean,
that gets sixty million a yeards probably the second highest
(17:01):
paid wide receiver in the game, and I just think
Jerry was done with it and just thought, you know,
I'm going to try to avoid letting this, letting this player.
And then and then they just got to an impass
and and you know, the rest is history. He's moved on,
and now the Packers are doing with Micah kind of
(17:22):
what the Cowboys did all those years ago with with
Charles Haley. I mean, they didn't start winning Super Bowls.
I mean that was what put him over the top,
was getting Charles Haley. And they're not the same person.
They're not the same kind of they're not the exact
same player, except they are both holy terrors when it
comes to a pass rush. I would say Charles was
a holy terror in other areas too.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, we're not gonna get onto that. You know, we
want to keep our jobs. Some of the stuff that
he was doing real quick, run out of time, and
I know you want to go watch and see what
Jerry Jones has to say say as well, Matt real quick.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
For me, I feel they punted on the season like it's.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
A rat if they ever thought they had a chance
to compete for the Vision, get a wildcard, spy whatever,
they've punned on that's my opinion.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
You yeah, they're done. I mean all you got to
do is look at last year Michael missed four games
and like they didn't even have a chance. I mean,
and he came back and the numbers completely changed. The
defensive numbers. I mean they had they I mean, they
obviously had right there in front of them. They had
all the numbers they needed to show with it. When
(18:26):
this guy plays, they're a completely different team now. Or
they a team that was out there knocking on the
door to go to the Super Bowl. No, no, So
I think that's probably And again somebody made a good
point on Twitter. They're basically like this, this GM can
do things like this because he knows he's never going
to get fired. There's no way he's ever going to
(18:47):
lose his job. So if he needs to make a decision,
that's for the betterment or you know, for it helps
the team. Three or four years down the road. He
can do it. And most gms, I mean, you know,
if they do something like this, they don't have the
security to think, well, this thing may not pan out
for two or three years. And with this guy, he's
not going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
No, he has that luck to Hey, Matt, we appreciate you,
Matt Mosley again, Doomsday Podcast, Foxsports dot Com.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Appreciate your time, brother, Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1 (20:29):
I will start with this shout out to Rob because
me and Rob had many conversations obviously about this Mica,
about this Jerry Jones, and my whole thought process was,
you know, hopefully, if you're Jerry Jones, this is what
you do is part for the chorus blah blah blah.
They're gonna find a way and I'm not in the
business of wanting to trade my best player. Rob was saying, hey,
(20:49):
if you can get a haul for him, you know
you trade them. I think they ended up being split
somewhere down the middle because I don't think they got
a haul for one of the top maybe you know,
ten twelve players in the league. Sure, I don't think
you got a haul for that. I don't think you
got enough. And I still stand that, and I think
you would agree. We talked about it. That fine, if
you're gonna trade him, why trade him now when you
(21:10):
could have traded him earlier, right around the draft and
actual and actualized those two first round picks, right you
could have hate we got these things, we could turn
right around and use them. And so you could have
done it earlier. You could have done it last year.
Maybe even got more as far as actual players and picks.
So to me, it split down the middle. He could
have got much more if he were going to trade them,
based on when he could have traded him. So, now, Martin,
(21:32):
we hear this coming out, that this was a unanimous
decision to trade him, and so according to Nick Nick Harris,
a Fort Worth Star Telegram sources, behind the scenes, they
basically said the relationship between the Cowboys and Micah had
gotten so bad obviously over the last few weeks with
all the stuff going on, it was irreparable.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
And that Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
And he confirmed it with other people that listen, we're
gonna have to make this trade. And that you had
the front office in, you had some of the front
facing players, some of the leaders on the team that
were consulted in this. They were in and there was
a unanimous decision once it got to this point that
it has the last couple of weeks, including coach Brian
Schottenheimer being involved in this as well.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
So to me, I look at this a couple of ways, Martin.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
One, this is where we got to I still stand
a lot of the portion is on Jerry Jones and
the business and the way he handled his business and
the reasons why.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
He does what he does.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
That's how we got to this place where it became
a unanimous decision. So when you get when you don't
trade him, when you had the opportunity, as we mentioned it,
well now you're kind of forced to get what you
can get, right, I will just take what we can get.
When you could have had more people who were throwing
out offers, had you talked about this a few months ago,
or even before the draft.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
More teams jump in right, Hey, well shoot.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
It, mic is up. I'll give you this could have
had much more, a bigger feel to choose from. So
number one, I blame that on Jerry the way handle it.
You could traded him a couple of years ago when
your front office and your team came to you. Hey, man,
if we're gonna trade Micael right now. We know we
gotta pay him at some point, we don't want to,
it's'ld be a great time to do it. He's youngest,
twenty four, he's in all pro. We can get a
lot for him. Nah, we're gonna keep him couple of years.
(23:12):
I'mna sign him. That doesn't happen. You don't sign them,
you trade, you don't get that much. So of course
you forced your hand to where now you can't go back.
Micah's upset. Micah's causing a fuss. He's laying on the
training table, he's eating popcorn. He's telling Atlanta Falcons fans
to call him. You're over here yelling it. You're going
at it with the agent. You've got to the place,
so there's no return. Now, since we're here, let me
(23:36):
offer you this Martin. When a relationship ends, you've been
in a relationship. Hopefully the one you're in never gonna
end because you just got married. Congrats again, thank you.
But you've been in ones that have we all have.
And and by the way, relationship don't have to be romantic.
You can be business and partners. It could be homeboys
your friend. And that is a two sided coin. I
(23:57):
say that to say, all, right, here we are. Now
this relationship ended. Well, Michael, let me offer you this.
This is a chance for you to hit reset. This
is a chance for you to say, well, dang, if
everybody's saying I'm crazy, maybe I am. And what I
mean by that, Michael Martin, is that if everybody on
Jerry get it right, michaeh, yeah, you're not crazy. Yeah,
(24:20):
let me get back to this where you are a
little crazy on you know, part time on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
But look, if we get reports that they're questioning his
leadership right his own team, if we get reports that
you had many many come to the coaches and say, hey, man,
I don't know what to do with this guy.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Hey, this guy's getting a little beside himself.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
We have his own players coming out on podcasts saying
they don't like what he says. It's on podcasts and
we know what he's done. He's jumped in other people's money.
That's one of the things all athletes tell you, and man,
don't talk about my money. That's between me and ownership.
You don't jump in another bad's money and putting opinions
out there on that. He's done that. He's talked about
his own coaching staff. He's questioning them when they lost
in the playoffs of Green Bay, calling them out. I'm
(25:05):
not the one putting me out there, y'all. Man, I'm
a linebacker.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
They too it. I don't call the players up.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
When you have all of these things starting to happen,
you have you're supposed to be the best player in
the leader. Now it's time to self reflect, right, Okay,
So wipe your hands clean.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I'm going to Green Bay. What do I need to do?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Because there's two parts, two reasons why a relationship ends.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
It ain't just them. How do you improve?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
So to me, this reset Micah is a great time
for Micah to look in the mirror and.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Say, I got to become a better leader.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
There's ways I can get better defensively, and just because
I can doesn't mean I should have a podcast because
I'm hurting my teammates feelings and putting things out there
for fodder that comes back at them. I'm Dak is
all of a sudden getting shots thinking I'm taking shot
to him because I don't mention him in the top
ten quarterbacks. And now Dak is sitting there coming out
(25:54):
of practice. We should be talking about what happened on
the practice field. I got to answer questions of these.
So you had your fun a few years of the podcast.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
You did some good things with it. Great.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Now it's trying to buckle down, bunker down, And to me,
it's okay for you to reset, It's okay for you
to reassess, it's okay for you to switch up how
you've been doing things. And to me, I look at
this opportunity for Micah as well, because you don't come
off this thing scathe or you know, free and spotless
and flawless.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
You've got some things you need to change.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
So I think what's fascinating is because we all were
looking at this again, this trade. Shout out to Ricky
Schmokes or Scoops or whatever his name was on Twitter
a few days ago, but before that, it was before that,
and then Brian Cooton goes kind of not just out
really laughing and said, you guys are listening to Twitter trolls,
(26:44):
don't you know, let's eat Line's app and kind of
giving it like not not a non.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Answer, it's like, wait a minute, is this real?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
So we all kind of thought that the deal was
gonna get done this entire time. And one of the
things that made me feel different about this the whole
time I've been I've been working for people who have
been locked in to every move of Jerry Jones for
almost the last ten years.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I've seen.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I saw that I've covered the Zeke negotiations from a
far international scale. I'm not saying I'm in the Star
are there every day? But I covered two DAC everyday
news cycle. How are we getting this done? Covered the
Zeke one. The one that made this different is when
you looked at just the last four to three years
(27:31):
of the Cowboys, especially the last two years of the Cowboys,
as Michael Parson's star began to grow bigger than the
one that was just on his helmet. Right when Michael
Parsons was drafted. You remember he had sat out his
COVID year, so he was kind of and it was
like the eleventh picking the draft of twelfth picking the draft.
(27:51):
So people were high on him as a prospect, but
it was kind of like, oh, does he love football?
All the things that people will say about any draft picked.
Then he comes in and I remember Tej Housman's who's
on this network, told me after two games Michael Parsons
should never drop back in the coverage again.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
That boy is a Hall of fame At Rusher, I
was like, oh, TJ, you've been a little.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
No, no, no, he's he's like that, right, he's like that,
and to that point, Michael Parson since that point has
been like that. But the Cowboys, Jerry is the one
whose name's on front of the check, right, Jerry's signing
in front of that thing, not the back. He's not
in doors. He's the check to cash and Jerry's the
(28:30):
one who's signing the front of it. And you can
deal with a little bit of noise from the man
in charge, right, because demand in charge is demand in charge.
But by Wednesday of the Cowboys week, it's about what
Michael Parson's had to say, and a lot of times
Michael Parsons will say, well, Jerry said, we're all in,
(28:51):
where's the all in?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Do you know?
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Like this type of situation, there is no Tuesday Owner
conversation in Green Bay. Michael Parsons will be the story
if he continues this podcast along the way. I don't
see it stopping for the record. But I also don't
see like Michael Parson's obstensibly, in my opinion, has gotten
(29:14):
a bit of a pass for the things he has
said along the way because Jerry is the foil on
the other side of this thing. It's like if a first,
it's like if jj Reddick had went on and won
a championship in year one, nobody would have gave him
the credit for it because everybody said, well, he's the
Brons guy, even if JJ Reddick was instrumental in developing
(29:36):
the talent and drawing everything up. And it's like, you
can directly point to why JJ Reddick did all these
things that Darvingham couldn't, so on and so forth. Everybody, Look,
that's Lebrons guy. You know he's gonna win it anyway.
That's kind of how it probably would sound that's just
not that foil. That other big personality doesn't exist in
Green Bay. Michael Parsons is the big personality. He is
(29:59):
going to be. He's taking his star to Green Bay,
and there's nobody who even comes close to rivaling when
Michael Parson says something, He's gonna be the biggest voice
in your organization.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
See absolutely.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
And that's why to me, Mark, if he were to
go there doing all that, it could backfire in the
sense of if you're if I also, I.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Don't want to cut you off, but let's just say
you say if I don't think anything about Michael Parsons
says he's going to stop, do you no?
Speaker 3 (30:29):
But there's a massive butt though.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
There's a point in everybody's life where you're offering an
opportunity to say, maybe I can mix it up a
little bit, maybe I do the podcast in a different form.
Nobody's saying don't ever speak about things. But the idea
that you're speaking about your teammates behind their back is
kind of crazy. And what I mean is we just
lose a game. You go on your podcast. We shouldn't
have did that.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I don't like I ain't the one.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
That's different than if he goes to the podcast, say
with me and you and him, and we're talking about
Marvel movies. So nobody's saying you can't do a podcast.
It's in the sense of the way in what you're
doing and can conduct a business. You're throwing coaches under
the bus. Nobody like, dude, we're supposed to be all
in the bunker hole together, right, me and you, Me
and you were doing the show.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Obviously, me and Rob Parker do the show.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
We all we gotta be in this bunker together, and
we gotta have some stuff out.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
All right, Yo, let's go do lunch, me you Rober,
what's up? What's go? But the idea to go on air?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
He ain't here bashed and I don't like he know that, Like, dude,
come on, we're in this thing.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Talk to me.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Let's figure it out, let's grow, let's build report, let's chemistry.
And I'm saying that type of thing, especially in a
town that is close knit, in a town that doesn't
have ownership, in a town that's kind of done it
their own way. We're not a big city. We kind
of have our own quirky ways. I think that could
grow very tiresome. At least in Dallas. It's the big Deed.
It's got the other it's got the Mavericks, it's got
(31:45):
other things in the city. It's a lot going on. Dude,
you come here with all that loudness. When we're chill,
you don't hear nothing.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Jordan Love he speaks, but he's never really saying anything crazy,
And up until the last little bit, Aaron Rodgers wasn't
say much. I'm just saying that could be too much,
especially for a guy who's new and doesn't have equity.
You're not that draft pick. We haven't grown with you
for seven years. So that's what I'm saying. It's not
that you can't ever talk about things, but dude, question
the teammates and this and why we did that on
(32:12):
its usually taboo.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Kelvin, you sure you didn't get equity in that deal?
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
He might have got some equity out of that deal.
The ownership group is fluid in Green Bay. He might
have gotten a little equity as much money as they
offered him and he and he signed for.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I gotta check the CBA.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I gotta check the CBA to see if he can
if he can get some ownerships by some other way,
so maybe put in his mama name or something.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
My last point on this one, though, with the with
the Micah thing and the Jerry and unanimous, there are
not many of these stories. However, in the time that
Jerry's been there, there have been times, quite famously. The
one that comes to mind first where Johnny Manziel he said,
I want Johnny Manziel and Stephen Jones and ask anybody
(32:55):
to tell the story, Jay, you tell you himself. Stephen
Jones said, no draft Zach Martin. I don't draft Johnny
Manziel and the rest is history. Is Jack Martin allpro
ring of honor guy, Hall of Fame caliber guy for
the Cowboys. I think that Jerry when he says this
was unanimous decision, I believe them.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I believe Well, what I just heard you say was
maybe I should listen to Stephen more. That's just what
I heard. I just heard you say. Maybe I should
continue to be the owner, the marketer, the the you know,
the guy who helps prop up the Cowboys. But maybe
I should let Steven just gm. Wouldn't that be a
novel idea?
Speaker 4 (33:31):
According to what we heard yesterday, Stephen was unanimously in
on this, so he did
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