September 13, 2025 • 31 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether John Harbaugh should be fired after yet another in-game meltdown by the Baltimore Ravens and how much blame Lamar Jackson deserves in all of this, argue if Jalen Hurts or Lamar Jackson should be viewed as Patrick Mahomes one true quarterback rival, and debate if the latest developments coming out of Cleveland prove that Shedeur Sanders just a starting-caliber NFL quarterback.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Can we talk about the meltdown that happened last night
with the Ravens who were up with four and a
half minutes to go forty to twenty five. People were
looking going, my goodness, gracious, look at them roll on
the road of first game of the year, right forty
points on the roll was IMPRESSEDO it was, and then
the rains came as far as them melting down.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
And then Josh Allen put on his Superman cape and
save Krypton. That's right, because the Baltimore Ravens you mentioned
it led by fifteen points under five minutes to go
in the game. Before last night, NFL teams had won
seven hundred and seventeen consecutive games in that scenario. In fact,
the last team last time a team lost a game
like that was in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
It gets worse though. Baltimore, with about.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Seven minutes left in the game, according to ESPN win
probability Index, had a ninety eight point seven percent chance
of winning the game, and they lost. It was the
eight times in twenty twenty one that they lost the
game with at least a ninety percent win probability, three
more than the next closest team.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I got some more numbers for you. Check this out.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
The Ravens became the first team in NFL history to
lose a game where they had forty plus points and
two hundred and thirty five plus rushing yards. NFL teams
are now two seventy seven and one in that situation
according to the Associated.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
This reminds me of that Knicks playoff game by next
to the Celtics. Right, that's the same same kind of deal, right,
like just the game, you can't believe it.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
And then here's the worst one. If you're a Harball
fan or if you're a Harball family member. Head coach
John Harbaugh now has the most losses with a ten
plus point second half lead seventeen by any head coach
in at least the last thirty five season.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
All right, and I want you to go right there.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
All the people we know the easy pointing of the finger,
and I've heard it all day. Lamar should have just
run for the first down. Okay, blame Lamar even though
he played a really good game. Derek Henry I fumble,
blah blah blah, that was the game.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I'm done with both of those guys.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
As far as that, I'm going to be lazy and
just pick one of those two players and say they're
the reason why. If I was ownership of the Baltimore
Ravens last night, I would have fired John Harball. John
Harbaugh should be fired as cod of the Baltimore Ravens.
(03:02):
This happens Kelvin way too often.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
With the talent that they have.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Rob g just told you seventeen times they've given up
double digit leads in the second seventeen.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I get it. He won a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
It doesn't mean you're a pope or a Supreme Court
justice and you get to have your job forever.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Because you won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Starting to remind me of Mike McCarthy with the Packers.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
They won a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Disappointment after disappointment after disappointment. One day you wake up
and Aaron Rodgers hasn't won in ten years? Right, seriously,
stop giving Harvard pass. Do you remember the playoff game
in the AFC Championship against the Chiefs when they had
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some game play where Lamar threw the ball down instead
of running.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Remember that that was another one.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I can go on and on and on about the
bad situations, the bad losses, and there's one common denominator.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
It's John Harball It miss time, stop it. I get it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
He won a Super Bowl. You would again sometimes you
have to make that hard decision.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I get it. There aren't that many coaches with a
Super Bowl in.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Their back pocket. But man, it's Lamar's eighth year with
John Harby.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Keep playing.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
You wake up one day and ten or twelve years
will have gone by and you'll say, what happened?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
He never won.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
If you can't get fired off of a piss poor
finish like that, you can never get get fired. Tibbs,
Tom Thibodeau. You know why he got fired because he
had performance like that. He had gotten the Knicks shoot
up the furthest they had gone and since Moby Dick
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was a guppy, and they laid a terrible egg in
a big situation that was supposed to be a revenge
redemption game. They were supposed to storm the rust of
the NFL. After that, forty points on the road in
Buffalo and they go home with a l. The L
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they went home with was John Harball. He was the
L they went home with.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
John Harball definitely gets some of the smoke.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
You got seventeen comebacks when you had a double digit
league over his career the last ten years, he's had eight.
The issue that I have a couple of things. One,
you're not gonna, They're not gonna specifically the Ravens. The
Ravens are kind of operating as an AFC version of
the what the Green Bay Packers kind of do. Also
what the Steelers do in their own division, Meaning, we
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don't want a lot of chaos, we don't want a
bunch of turnover. You don't want a bunch of new
gms and a bunch of head coaches and a bunch
of this and a bunch of that. They like stability,
That organization has been well run to the tune of
all these postseason you know, getting into the postseason, also
getting in the Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Over the last you know, twenty five years. They won
one early, they won one.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Give it ten years ago or so, and they keep
giving themselves shots with Lamar Jackson over the last seven
eight years. So the issue, I get what you're saying,
he has these comebacks on his watch, but you gotta
be also saying these comebacks are on the watch of Lamar.
And you know, I believe Lamar Jackson's best player in football,
been saying it since I've been on the show, and
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before I even got on this show.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
You and I agree on that. We have that same sentiment.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
But the onus has to fall on we believe the
best player in the NFL, the guy who has won
multiple MVPs and should have won last year as well,
he has to find a way in some of these Now.
Last night, Derek Henry did them no justice with the fumble,
who had an outstanding game until the fumble. And also
they some of the play calling, like to me, I'm
going on that fourth down because I have Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
You have there? Should you watch the defense for the
Ravens that's on Lamar.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
No, no, man, I'm just saying, like, hold on, I'll
let you cook.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Let me cooking.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I say so I'm talking a more broader picture because
if I have to take the broader picture for firing
the coach from a game, you get what I'm saying.
So I have to get the broader because Lamar played
his butt off like he always does.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
But some of those.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Eight double digit leads in the lasts and years are
on the Lamar, meaning he was the quarterback of some
of those teams. Lamar Jackson is so talented he can
find a way. Sometimes Lamar Jackson can look at John
Harbaugh and say, nah, bro like I've seen many quarterbacks do,
we're going for this, And he look at Derrick Henry.
He looked at himself and said, we're getting two plus
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yards now. The defense was great the first three quarters
or so. I would be very happy with how we
controlled the Bills if you were the the Ravens and
then you let Josh Allen go ballistic two hundred and
fifty plus yards in one quarter.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
So that's why I'm going for rob to your.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Point, because the defense hadn't been great, so I'm saying
we can't stop. Then now all of a sudden, he's
looking like the greatest quarterback we've ever seen. So I'm
about to go for this. I'm not listening none y'all
talking about put it on me. I am the leader
of this team. I am the franchise. Put it on me.
Fourth and two. I got Derrick Henry, I got myself,
I got Jay Flowers, I got tight ends, I got
this offensive line. We're going to get two yards. And sometimes,
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as the leader of the team, you make that happen.
So it's not his fault.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
They lost.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Absolutely, Now, Lamar played outstanding, But what I'm saying is overarching.
Sometimes Lamar has to go ahead and be the reason
take it over, whether it's the postseason, whether it's last night.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
He had to find a way. And to me, did
you hear what you just said? Though?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
No, No, what I'm saying is specifically on that play,
not the overwrocking game. But to your point of firing Harball,
you can't just fire somebody. And this is where me
and you differ. I'm not firing somebody who routine leads
gets me to the season, the team gets me an opportunity.
Is none of that makes any sense to me if
I don't have the guy.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It's not like you're firing after after two or three years.
This is going on for long, and the Lamar has
been around for eight years. He's one of the most talented,
unique players. And you keep putting all these teams around
and every year there's something every year.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
So no, I didn't say no smoke.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I didn't say every game but seventeen double digit loss
and you're sitting here talking about Lamar when.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
The defense gave up.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
In the fourth quarter, three points in the fourth quarter,
and you're talking about Lamar. What I'm saying is they're
not going to get rid of John Harbor.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Stop, brother, they going to I'm telling you they should
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Just like.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I told you, Chimp should have been fired. You sat
here all all day.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Oh Jim just got them to the rest Eastern Conference finals.
Oh my god, it's the best thing the Knicks have
done in twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
And guess what the Knicks did. They said enough and enough.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Don't look like they're gonna be a great co What
you don't even know about that ball? John Harball said. No,
John Harball is not absolutely he's way. He's terrible. Now
he's been terrible. That gets you in the bus. You're
not fire, I'm.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Not super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Has he gotten you with the mob. Tell me, I
said he gets you in the possession of super Bowl,
then give me to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Ye get me?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, Lamar, you.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Don't have a ConA get you just like in just
like in Green you just said Jack, I got you.
The team built around now every year Lamar has a team.
Everywhere Lamar is outstanding.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
But when we get you planning against the Kansas City Chiefs,
go look at it where they turtles all every down?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
That was?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
That was Lamar? Who was that? But I'm not firing John.
Why not? He's not getting the job done.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Every year they picked the Ravens to go to the
super Bowl and they never get there.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
At some point, you can't keep doing the Senate. You
can't do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
At some point they either get rid of Lamar or
get rid of hardball.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
You're not getting it. We're right, John Halligett to the postseason.
I have higher expectations, all right, because the second thing
I sat Smogo for every other quarterback that's been this great,
that has multiple MVPs.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
So all I'm saying Lamar is the best players. Not
to me, it is too.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Easy, that's lazy.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Look at Tod, look at the seventeen, double digit seventeen.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
He's been the longest tenior coach. Right now, it's a
humbre team. John Harbaugh as Don Harbaugh is not the
return of Bill Wassh. He's not Don Schuler. I'm not
arguing that, but I'm not letting this guy go who
continues to give.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Me any met him on the bus last night after
the game.
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Speaker 6 (12:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yes, so we got a big game tonight, right, We've
got Commander's Packers, two teams that I think we can
say comfortably believe they have Super Bowl aspirations, right, and
everyone's excited about it. The only difference is is that
coming up on Sunday, we got two teams who were
actually in the Super Bowl last season rematch Chiefs Eagles,
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Eagles coming off of win Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Favorite in Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
And that's notable because Rob I don't know if you
know this, but Jalen Hurts, who executives believe is not
that great. He's probably a Tier two, tier three type quarterback,
even though super Bowl MVP anonymous execs old ESPN, I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Know which is crazy, Rob G because think about this
super Bowl MVP this past year.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
But the first time he's in the Super Bowl he
be balled out. He had a great game. Other than that,
he had a tremendous game.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
And there are people who still say, I don't even
know if he's a top ten quarterback. But you should
know heading into this game here on Sunday that Jalen
Hurts is one of the few quarterbacks who can ever
say that they've won their last two meetings against Patrick Mahomes,
and as you mentioned, is favored here heading into Sunday,
could be three in a row.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Patrick Mahomes has never lost three games in a row period.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
If he loses on Sunday, it will have happened and
two of them will have been to Jalen Hurts. So
here's the question, guys, as we'll lead into Sunday showdown,
is it fair to say that Jalen Hurts, not Lamar Jackson,
not Josh Allen, not even Joe Burrow, that Jalen Hurts
is actually Patrick Mahomes' top NFL quarterback rifle.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Yes, it's on accurate. And this last Super Bowl is
when it happened. And there's another factor I'm gonna get
into in one second. Jalen Hurts right now in Patrick
Mahomes are actually competing for competing for their places in history.
Right They're competing for how great will my legacy be?
How many super Bowls will I have? How many will
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I beat this guy? They're competing for the highest thing
that things that matter most, and what makes it interesting
and fun is that they're one up on each other.
If you're Jalen Hurts, you to your point, rob G,
I can say, hey, I've played better in two Super
Bowls then the guy y'all keep saying is number one.
I played better than the guy that y'all at some
point we're saying it could be the goat. So Jalen
Hurts has that in his faith conversation and happening. But
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you know he can say that how the Ligia get
into this?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
But he's a mahomes slappy.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Yeah, well he absolutely can. He's had plenty of years
to continue to chase down the ghost status. The other
side of this, why I think it's actually hurts is
because now my eyes I link Lamar Jackson and Josh
Allen together like that's the rivalry even more than to
me almost hurts and and Patrick Mahomes. Lamar Jackson and
Josh Allen are both competing for multiple things. They're now
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the who's gonna win the MVP this one or this one?
Who wanted lesser this one?
Speaker 4 (15:28):
This one?
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Who should have won the year before this one or
this one? They're competing for who's more electric, who does more,
who's more fun to watch? Those two guys, to me,
are more linked. Who's the guy that can finally get
by Patrick Mahomes and get to a Super Bowl, because
neither I've been able to do that. So I think
Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen are their own rivalry, while
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now we have one with Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes,
the guys who are competing for the top ultimate champ
I think prize that matters the most with your championships
and ultimately Super Bowl MVPs. So those are my two
separate rivalries, those two Hurts and Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson.
That's how I view it. Those two, those two I disagree.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I think that it's naturally Lamar and Josh Allen because
they were in the same AFC and only one quarterback
can come out of that, and that's what they're looking at. Like,
you got the Jalen Hurts and but he's in the NFC,
so so he really that doesn't really affect whether or
not what he does in the NFL effects Patrick Mahomes
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getting there, even though he's beating him a couple of times.
The real rivalry is who in the AFC like the
Peyton met the reason Peyton Manning and Tom Brady both
in the AFC, both trying to get out there, both
trying to get to the super Bowl. So that's where
that links them together. And I think that's what people
talk about. I understand that they've played in big game,
Super Bowl and they're one and one and and and
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and Jalen's beating him a couple of times, but ultimately
it's Lamar trying to be, you know, get to the
Super Ball in the AFC, whether you go through Josh
Allen or whether you go through UH Patrick Mahomes. And
I think that's why they're more of a natural rivalry
because they're in the same UH conference. And that's why
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I brought up the braid. You see what I'm saying,
like the Bradian what you're saying. But then because it's
because that's the only way I can get to the
super Bowl, which is your goal is to get to
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Who's in my way?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
When Michael Jordan was in the Eastern Conference right and
and he had to get through the Pistons and the
Celtics like they were in his way, So who was
your rival? The Pistons and the Celtics because you were
trying to beat them and get there.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
But this is where this is where I push back.
I get your point, because it's natural. We're gonna play
a lot. But the greatest rival we all loved in
the eighties was the Lakers Celtics, and they were in
different conferences because they ultimately knew they were competing for
the biggest prize championship. But I think, individual, what if
we get there, Jalen Hurts and Patrick get there again.
Maybe it's not this year, but maybe it's next year.
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Now that will be three and what four or five
years for you? What if they don't they compete it.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I just think that you have more chances of over
the next eight years of Lamar coming up against Patrick Mahomes,
Lamar coming up against Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, who has
already beaten Patrick Mahomes a couple times, including once to
go to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Those are the natural. So it's those four.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I know we'd even mentioned Joe Burrow, but that's really
because his team right now, with the defense, it's hard
to look at them and think they're going on the
exactly as the other three four teams. Right So That's
why I think all those quarterbacks. You look at the
AFC and go, man, how are we gonna get to
you know what, I mean, to the Super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Get four guys there. I just think, for me, this
is game five this Sunday. Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes
are two and two regular season above one one and
then also in the Super Bowl they both won one.
So this Sunday will be game five to break the records.
Who has the lead? And I just think that's a right.
But we got five games in now now, two of
them were in the Super Bowl. I beat you, you
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beat me. We're both competing Super Bowl MVPs. I mean,
I just think that is it because again I start
to look at it as you guys are competing for
the ultimate goal. And in the next three to four years,
there's no chance to say those guys might meet one
two more times. And to me, that would be amazing
that we had two guys competing Super Bowls a handful
of times, you know, almost like if we got one
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more Elion and Tom Brady, you know what I mean,
like a trilogy or that that would have been awesome
like that we would put them guys It's like, man,
look at Eli and Tom Brady going at it because
they met three times in the Super Bowl. So that
to me is the difference is they're competing for a
higher thing. The other two are just compete to even
get to the thing, the Super Bowl. But I get
what you're saying. The AFC, I just look at it
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maybe almost like a Laker Celtics. To me, we're competing
in the championship level.
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Speaker 1 (20:01):
Rob Gene, it was a story that came out today
or was it earlier today?
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah, about chaudeor Sanders. And this was interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
For all the people who bought us just Shador Sanders jerseys,
Brown's jerseys. You mean Barry Sanders, Yeah, Barry Sanders, Chad Sanders. Uh.
After reading this story, I'm figuring that they could wear
the jersey with their ball or big ball of brand.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
That's never loss.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Those two go together, now, Robb g at least appairly,
that's what it sounds like to me.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah, it's not looking good if you're a chaduor Sanders
fan right now, because, as you guys know, it's been
well reported that he ended up being the QB three
in Cleveland. Right after they traded away Kenny Pickett. Dylan
Gabriel was instilled as the backup. Chadua was at number three,
which meant that they could prevent him from going to
the practice squad and getting claim for another team. But
more than anything, the reason why you have a go
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at your third string quarterback historically so that he can
run your scout team. He's gonna get reps upon reps
upon reps. It might not be your system, but he's
getting live reps in practice that he wouldn't ordinarily get
as the backup. Well, on Thursday, reporters in Cleveland notice
that hey, this week they're preparing for the Baltimore Ravens
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and newcomer Bailey Zappy, he's only been here about two weeks,
is running the.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Scout team Bailey's and Queam Zappi.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
According to at least one reporter, Shador Sander did not
take a single rep in any team drill whatsoever. Well,
once that became a talking point, reporters asked Bill Musgrave
about it, and here's how he justified Shadur not getting
scout team reps.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Yeah, I'd say it's a little bit.
Speaker 8 (21:46):
It's a little bit different, and it's exciting because those
guys do take pride in getting the defense ready. They
want to do a good job of replicating the opponent's offense,
and at the same time, they want to try to
relate any play that they get to our game plan
for that week too, so they can feel like they
can get a little double duty there.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
All right, there's the explanation. Does it make sense to you?
Speaker 9 (22:11):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Because this none of it makes sense to me.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
But you know, I haven't really understood what they've been
doing since the beginning of this. I mean, I do, well,
would you.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Like to go?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Well, I just they're telling you without telling you that
they don't view him as a starting quarterback in the NFL.
I mean, what else could it be if you really
thought you had something, even a diamond in the rough,
why wouldn't you give him some reps? They wouldn't give
him reps during the preseason, right camp, they wouldn't give
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the reps there with the first team. They didn't give
him reps during training camp, Like like what it doesn't
make sense. Does it hurt you to give somebody reps?
Is at the end of the world, to give him
some first team reps with the first team. I don't
understand it to hold on to a guy that obviously
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you don't believe really is going to be a starting
quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
See that's why I jump in and say, and I
totally get what you're saying, Like because just on the optics,
if you fail from Mars and I told you what
was happening, you'd be like, oh, they must not like
the guy. But what makes it strength? A few things
make it strange for me still round, like why won't
they release him? And maybe it's coming, maybe you know two, three,
four weeks from now he does, who knows?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
But maybe can I give you one reason you hold
on to him and wait for somebody to get hurt,
like a quarterback or some situation, and then he becomes
a little more valuable.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Well, you're making him unvaluable while you keep you keep
demoting him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
And he's not this nolex third which wasn't.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
But there's always some One man's chicken is another man's gumbo.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I mean like, but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Like, he's still the unknown, right, but I holding onto
that one preseason game to dangle out there.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
For you ignore the other one. Yes, uh so.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
One reason why I say that is I'm glad you
brought that up from an outside looking in everything we're
we hear he's supposed to be doing as far as
he's good in practice. We had the coach come out, Oh,
man kave Svanski, Oh, he's just a great guy.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I love this kid. GM's come out.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Some of the older Vets have come out braved about right,
but I'm saying so check it might even mad at
that check. They've said that we saw him in the
preseason game when he actually had players who might be
in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
He looked good, In fact, he looked really good.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Then we saw him with a bunch of guys who
are about to be working at All State Insurance in
a minute, and he looked bad, which a lot of
guys might. And so my thing has been he's done
what he's supposed to do to be in a position now.
The way things work, we know in the NFL, Dylan
Gabriel is our third round pick, and they're too close
neck and neck. We're going with our third round pick.
So I'm not even mad at that. No, if the're
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neck and neck, that's what they're But what I'm.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Saying, if you really believe that he's better, I've given
you plenty of examples. You could skip over Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
If Chador's real, that's what I'm saying, he would have
had to have been headed up shoulders above him.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
He wasn't.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Dylan Gabriel looked really good his game out there in
the preseason. So if I picked you, I feel you're
a little older, maybe a little more mature, and you
and you looked good out there, then you're gonna get
that spot. I'm not even mad, But collectively, I just
don't get what that quarterback room is doing. Again, go back,
you give de Sean Watson all the money and all
the bags that can boom. That doesn't work out, Okay,
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Then you go and draft for Kenny Piggins, which was like, okay,
that's your saying that that means got I mean trade,
I'm sorry, trade.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
For Kenny Pickins. You're like, that's the guy you're going
to get. But what happened?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
They got dead draft capital back because a quarterback got injured, right,
so now you had an extra quarterback. And then they
were like, whoa, all right, if we have uh, if
we're gonna go with flat goh and we got the
young guy whatever. Now we can get our fifth round
pick back. Right, And Kenny Picktt was hurt.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
He's even playing, right, but you're speaking proactive like later,
I'm sorry, in real time, they got Kenny Picktt, like
that's our guy, Like that was the first guy the
once he got hurt and then he didn't play. But
I'm saying you brought him in as if that was
the answer. No, he was going to know that guy,
That's what I'm saying. He wouldn't answer. And if he
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played enough, and when they saw him, they said, once
he gets back injury, we got our guys.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
He didn't play. He didn't play.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
You know, I'm saying, if he would have done enough
that they saw practice in the film rule they would guess.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
They decided where they're going, which is.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
To me, Joe Flacco, They're like, we're not throwing a
toweling on the season, okay, coaches, and GM's their future
rides on on the team as well. They had a
bad year last year. The worst thing they could do
is put a rookie quarterback out there get their heads
handed to him. Nobody wants to hear about DeShawn Watson
getting healthy and all that, and the elephant in the
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room is that you see video of de Sean Watson
moving around now and eventually he is going to play
with all the money they still owe him. So that's
why I think in reality they're they're doing what they're doing,
saying the Shawan's going to play, and maybe that's after
Joe Flacco holds it down for this year and they
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hold on to Shador until somebody comes knocking.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
That's what I think, because I don't see you're playing
for the Browns, but I and I hear you because
they have so many quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Now they got this other guy zippy zippity does zippity
a Now is it.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
My old my?
Speaker 6 (27:27):
What a wonderful day. I mean, they keeping your son quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Come.
Speaker 9 (27:34):
Zippity dudees. So they get blue bir should into fast. Okay,
what's that?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Can you find that? A?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Well?
Speaker 4 (27:47):
What is that?
Speaker 6 (27:47):
I guess that is a funky flashback Friday. Man.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
My whole point is that cored that Brown's culture quarterback room.
They don't know what they're doing. And I told you
that anytime they think they're about to do something, need
to do the opposite because they ain't had a quarterback
since Bernie Kosar.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
It's been a long time whatever, whatever, you know. We
should actually did want to playoff and they know what
they did.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
They got away from him, which is again what they
shouldn't have done.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
They blew it. They made a mistake.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
They stayed blowing it like it's birthday candle. They always
blowing them out. K K Cake, Cake, what is that
with you? Cake?
Speaker 4 (28:20):
What is this power one oh six? What is this
real ninety two three? What this hot ninety seven? Whenever
I hear Cake, I can't help.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
But because we know where you are when you hear
that song, mentally, yes, it puts you back in the
magic City mode.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Which maybe that is that what you need, get you cheered.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Up, don't get fired.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
You need you need three home runs in a girl
in a game from Aaron Aaron Judge, Rob that would
bring caution?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
What was that? Got some new drops for you?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Rob?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Caution? Who is that? Karen? Don't worry about it? Yo,
Siri acting crazy?
Speaker 7 (29:00):
Don't get fired?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
You want my favorite sexist? What's you say about the
w NBA row sexist?
Speaker 5 (29:09):
What you watch the women's finals of the US Open?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Trying to sabotage my career? What is this they're listening
back at headquarters? Women?
Speaker 6 (29:21):
What about the United States women's national team?
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Sexist? What about laundry night at the w n B
A sexist?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Don't get fired?
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Remember Maybach music? Oh my gosh, you guys are nets
Stevin Brown's. They're terrible. The don't know what they're doing it.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I think they know exactly exactly what they're doing, which
is Chadors not in our plans. Will hold on to them.
Maybe some team will come calling and they have some
quarterback issue and they go, hey you know chaudor yeah,
let's let's give him a shot. Hey we'll give you
this or that or what whatever. Just the idea that
Bailey Zappi's getting more reps in.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Him, Robgie, do you know anything about it? Is he fast?
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Bailey?
Speaker 5 (30:10):
No, what I'm saying is he he might be faster
than Shadoor because I'm saying he being the Lamar Jackson. Yes,
that's what I'm thinking. He's just being meaning we go
back to Shador. We just need to be Jackie in general.
He mentioned it. It's a tipal. This doesn't happen on
other teams. Other teams do not have multiple guys and
everybody else, and everybody doesn't have Lamar Jackson. Dang it,
we got to get ready for Lamar Jackson. Okay, Chadeur
(30:33):
Sanders will play. He's gonna say something. I don't want
Alex hit to drop on me. The new one, no,
the old one.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Okay, I mean they already got a black quarterback, like
did you put back there?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Racist? He is racist. Racist. That's gotta be racist.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Shadoor is not the stereotypes of all black dudes are fast.
Not all black dudes are fast. Okay, Roger sure door
ain't taken off all right, let's get out of keeping.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
By the way, fun fact you know Rob you knows
as a baseball fan. The reason why in Major League
all the Wesley Snipe seen him in slow motion because
they said he was really slow as a runner.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Really, yep, he ain't Tom Cruise, Nope.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
They said he was extremely slow.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
So if we played it in full speed and would
he wouldn't looked good.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Everything in slow motion so.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
He looked like he looked good in a White Man
Can't Jump.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
But he wasn't running. It was just a short racist.
He wasn't. He was good in White Men Can't Jump.
It was good in those movies sports. But that is snipe.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
He's underrated, like nineteen eighty eight to ninety six run.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Oh no he did. He had had a run. But
the irs thing I think right, People don't.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
People do not like Nicholas Katee's been doing one hundred
movies a year, still trying to play off his taxes.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Can we talk about the meltdown that happened last night
with the Ravens who were up with four and a
half minutes to go forty to twenty five. People were
looking going, my goodness, gracious, look at them roll on
the road of first game of the year, right forty
points on the roll was IMPRESSEDO it was, and then
the rains came as far as them melting down.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
And then Josh Allen put on his Superman cape and
save Krypton. That's right, because the Baltimore Ravens you mentioned
it led by fifteen points under five minutes to go
in the game. Before last night, NFL teams had won
seven hundred and seventeen consecutive games in that scenario. In fact,
the last team last time a team lost a game
like that was in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
It gets worse though. Baltimore, with about.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Seven minutes left in the game, according to ESPN win
probability Index, had a ninety eight point seven percent chance
of winning the game, and they lost. It was the
eight times in twenty twenty one that they lost the
game with at least a ninety percent win probability, three
more than the next closest team.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I got some more numbers for you. Check this out.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
The Ravens became the first team in NFL history to
lose a game where they had forty plus points and
two hundred and thirty five plus rushing yards. NFL teams
are now two seventy seven and one in that situation
according to the Associated.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
This reminds me of that Knicks playoff game by next
to the Celtics. Right, that's the same same kind of deal, right,
like just the game, you can't believe it.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
And then here's the worst one. If you're a Harball
fan or if you're a Harball family member. Head coach
John Harbaugh now has the most losses with a ten
plus point second half lead seventeen by any head coach
in at least the last thirty five season.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
All right, and I want you to go right there.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
All the people we know the easy pointing of the finger,
and I've heard it all day. Lamar should have just
run for the first down. Okay, blame Lamar even though
he played a really good game. Derek Henry I fumble,
blah blah blah, that was the game.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I'm done with both of those guys.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
As far as that, I'm going to be lazy and
just pick one of those two players and say they're
the reason why. If I was ownership of the Baltimore
Ravens last night, I would have fired John Harball. John
Harbaugh should be fired as cod of the Baltimore Ravens.
(03:02):
This happens Kelvin way too often.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
With the talent that they have.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Rob g just told you seventeen times they've given up
double digit leads in the second seventeen.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I get it. He won a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
It doesn't mean you're a pope or a Supreme Court
justice and you get to have your job forever.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Because you won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Starting to remind me of Mike McCarthy with the Packers.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
They won a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Disappointment after disappointment after disappointment. One day you wake up
and Aaron Rodgers hasn't won in ten years? Right, seriously,
stop giving Harvard pass. Do you remember the playoff game
in the AFC Championship against the Chiefs when they had
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some game play where Lamar threw the ball down instead
of running.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Remember that that was another one.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I can go on and on and on about the
bad situations, the bad losses, and there's one common denominator.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
It's John Harball It miss time, stop it. I get it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
He won a Super Bowl. You would again sometimes you
have to make that hard decision.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I get it. There aren't that many coaches with a
Super Bowl in.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Their back pocket. But man, it's Lamar's eighth year with
John Harby.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Keep playing.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
You wake up one day and ten or twelve years
will have gone by and you'll say, what happened?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
He never won.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
If you can't get fired off of a piss poor
finish like that, you can never get get fired. Tibbs,
Tom Thibodeau. You know why he got fired because he
had performance like that. He had gotten the Knicks shoot
up the furthest they had gone and since Moby Dick
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was a guppy, and they laid a terrible egg in
a big situation that was supposed to be a revenge
redemption game. They were supposed to storm the rust of
the NFL. After that, forty points on the road in
Buffalo and they go home with a l. The L
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they went home with was John Harball. He was the
L they went home with.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
John Harball definitely gets some of the smoke.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
You got seventeen comebacks when you had a double digit
league over his career the last ten years, he's had eight.
The issue that I have a couple of things. One,
you're not gonna, They're not gonna specifically the Ravens. The
Ravens are kind of operating as an AFC version of
the what the Green Bay Packers kind of do. Also
what the Steelers do in their own division, Meaning, we
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don't want a lot of chaos, we don't want a
bunch of turnover. You don't want a bunch of new
gms and a bunch of head coaches and a bunch
of this and a bunch of that. They like stability,
That organization has been well run to the tune of
all these postseason you know, getting into the postseason, also
getting in the Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Over the last you know, twenty five years. They won
one early, they won one.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Give it ten years ago or so, and they keep
giving themselves shots with Lamar Jackson over the last seven
eight years. So the issue, I get what you're saying,
he has these comebacks on his watch, but you gotta
be also saying these comebacks are on the watch of Lamar.
And you know, I believe Lamar Jackson's best player in football,
been saying it since I've been on the show, and
(06:37):
before I even got on this show.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
You and I agree on that. We have that same sentiment.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
But the onus has to fall on we believe the
best player in the NFL, the guy who has won
multiple MVPs and should have won last year as well,
he has to find a way in some of these Now.
Last night, Derek Henry did them no justice with the fumble,
who had an outstanding game until the fumble. And also
they some of the play calling, like to me, I'm
going on that fourth down because I have Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
You have there? Should you watch the defense for the
Ravens that's on Lamar.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
No, no, man, I'm just saying, like, hold on, I'll
let you cook.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Let me cooking.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I say so I'm talking a more broader picture because
if I have to take the broader picture for firing
the coach from a game, you get what I'm saying.
So I have to get the broader because Lamar played
his butt off like he always does.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
But some of those.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Eight double digit leads in the lasts and years are
on the Lamar, meaning he was the quarterback of some
of those teams. Lamar Jackson is so talented he can
find a way. Sometimes Lamar Jackson can look at John
Harbaugh and say, nah, bro like I've seen many quarterbacks do,
we're going for this, And he look at Derrick Henry.
He looked at himself and said, we're getting two plus
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yards now. The defense was great the first three quarters
or so. I would be very happy with how we
controlled the Bills if you were the the Ravens and
then you let Josh Allen go ballistic two hundred and
fifty plus yards in one quarter.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
So that's why I'm going for rob to your.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Point, because the defense hadn't been great, so I'm saying
we can't stop. Then now all of a sudden, he's
looking like the greatest quarterback we've ever seen. So I'm
about to go for this. I'm not listening none y'all
talking about put it on me. I am the leader
of this team. I am the franchise. Put it on me.
Fourth and two. I got Derrick Henry, I got myself,
I got Jay Flowers, I got tight ends, I got
this offensive line. We're going to get two yards. And sometimes,
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as the leader of the team, you make that happen.
So it's not his fault.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
They lost.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Absolutely, Now, Lamar played outstanding, But what I'm saying is overarching.
Sometimes Lamar has to go ahead and be the reason
take it over, whether it's the postseason, whether it's last night.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
He had to find a way. And to me, did
you hear what you just said? Though?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
No, No, what I'm saying is specifically on that play,
not the overwrocking game. But to your point of firing Harball,
you can't just fire somebody. And this is where me
and you differ. I'm not firing somebody who routine leads
gets me to the season, the team gets me an opportunity.
Is none of that makes any sense to me if
I don't have the guy.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It's not like you're firing after after two or three years.
This is going on for long, and the Lamar has
been around for eight years. He's one of the most talented,
unique players. And you keep putting all these teams around
and every year there's something every year.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
So no, I didn't say no smoke.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I didn't say every game but seventeen double digit loss
and you're sitting here talking about Lamar when.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
The defense gave up.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
In the fourth quarter, three points in the fourth quarter,
and you're talking about Lamar. What I'm saying is they're
not going to get rid of John Harbor.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Stop, brother, they going to I'm telling you they should
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Just like.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I told you, Chimp should have been fired. You sat
here all all day.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Oh Jim just got them to the rest Eastern Conference finals.
Oh my god, it's the best thing the Knicks have
done in twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
And guess what the Knicks did. They said enough and enough.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Don't look like they're gonna be a great co What
you don't even know about that ball? John Harball said. No,
John Harball is not absolutely he's way. He's terrible. Now
he's been terrible. That gets you in the bus. You're
not fire, I'm.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Not super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Has he gotten you with the mob. Tell me, I
said he gets you in the possession of super Bowl,
then give me to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Ye get me?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, Lamar, you.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Don't have a ConA get you just like in just
like in Green you just said Jack, I got you.
The team built around now every year Lamar has a team.
Everywhere Lamar is outstanding.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
But when we get you planning against the Kansas City Chiefs,
go look at it where they turtles all every down?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
That was?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
That was Lamar? Who was that? But I'm not firing John.
Why not? He's not getting the job done.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Every year they picked the Ravens to go to the
super Bowl and they never get there.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
At some point, you can't keep doing the Senate. You
can't do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
At some point they either get rid of Lamar or
get rid of hardball.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
You're not getting it. We're right, John Halligett to the postseason.
I have higher expectations, all right, because the second thing
I sat Smogo for every other quarterback that's been this great,
that has multiple MVPs.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
So all I'm saying Lamar is the best players. Not
to me, it is too.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Easy, that's lazy.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Look at Tod, look at the seventeen, double digit seventeen.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
He's been the longest tenior coach. Right now, it's a
humbre team. John Harbaugh as Don Harbaugh is not the
return of Bill Wassh. He's not Don Schuler. I'm not
arguing that, but I'm not letting this guy go who
continues to give.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Me any met him on the bus last night after
the game.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
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Speaker 6 (12:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yes, so we got a big game tonight, right, We've
got Commander's Packers, two teams that I think we can
say comfortably believe they have Super Bowl aspirations, right, and
everyone's excited about it. The only difference is is that
coming up on Sunday, we got two teams who were
actually in the Super Bowl last season rematch Chiefs Eagles,
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Eagles coming off of win Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Favorite in Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
And that's notable because Rob I don't know if you
know this, but Jalen Hurts, who executives believe is not
that great. He's probably a Tier two, tier three type quarterback,
even though super Bowl MVP anonymous execs old ESPN, I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Know which is crazy, Rob G because think about this
super Bowl MVP this past year.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
But the first time he's in the Super Bowl he
be balled out. He had a great game. Other than that,
he had a tremendous game.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
And there are people who still say, I don't even
know if he's a top ten quarterback. But you should
know heading into this game here on Sunday that Jalen
Hurts is one of the few quarterbacks who can ever
say that they've won their last two meetings against Patrick Mahomes,
and as you mentioned, is favored here heading into Sunday,
could be three in a row.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Patrick Mahomes has never lost three games in a row period.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
If he loses on Sunday, it will have happened and
two of them will have been to Jalen Hurts. So
here's the question, guys, as we'll lead into Sunday showdown,
is it fair to say that Jalen Hurts, not Lamar Jackson,
not Josh Allen, not even Joe Burrow, that Jalen Hurts
is actually Patrick Mahomes' top NFL quarterback rifle.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Yes, it's on accurate. And this last Super Bowl is
when it happened. And there's another factor I'm gonna get
into in one second. Jalen Hurts right now in Patrick
Mahomes are actually competing for competing for their places in history.
Right They're competing for how great will my legacy be?
How many super Bowls will I have? How many will
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I beat this guy? They're competing for the highest thing
that things that matter most, and what makes it interesting
and fun is that they're one up on each other.
If you're Jalen Hurts, you to your point, rob G,
I can say, hey, I've played better in two Super
Bowls then the guy y'all keep saying is number one.
I played better than the guy that y'all at some
point we're saying it could be the goat. So Jalen
Hurts has that in his faith conversation and happening. But
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you know he can say that how the Ligia get
into this?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
But he's a mahomes slappy.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Yeah, well he absolutely can. He's had plenty of years
to continue to chase down the ghost status. The other
side of this, why I think it's actually hurts is
because now my eyes I link Lamar Jackson and Josh
Allen together like that's the rivalry even more than to
me almost hurts and and Patrick Mahomes. Lamar Jackson and
Josh Allen are both competing for multiple things. They're now
(15:24):
the who's gonna win the MVP this one or this one?
Who wanted lesser this one?
Speaker 4 (15:28):
This one?
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Who should have won the year before this one or
this one? They're competing for who's more electric, who does more,
who's more fun to watch? Those two guys, to me,
are more linked. Who's the guy that can finally get
by Patrick Mahomes and get to a Super Bowl, because
neither I've been able to do that. So I think
Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen are their own rivalry, while
(15:49):
now we have one with Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes,
the guys who are competing for the top ultimate champ
I think prize that matters the most with your championships
and ultimately Super Bowl MVPs. So those are my two
separate rivalries, those two Hurts and Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson.
That's how I view it. Those two, those two I disagree.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I think that it's naturally Lamar and Josh Allen because
they were in the same AFC and only one quarterback
can come out of that, and that's what they're looking at. Like,
you got the Jalen Hurts and but he's in the NFC,
so so he really that doesn't really affect whether or
not what he does in the NFL effects Patrick Mahomes
(16:30):
getting there, even though he's beating him a couple of times.
The real rivalry is who in the AFC like the
Peyton met the reason Peyton Manning and Tom Brady both
in the AFC, both trying to get out there, both
trying to get to the super Bowl. So that's where
that links them together. And I think that's what people
talk about. I understand that they've played in big game,
Super Bowl and they're one and one and and and
(16:53):
and Jalen's beating him a couple of times, but ultimately
it's Lamar trying to be, you know, get to the
Super Ball in the AFC, whether you go through Josh
Allen or whether you go through UH Patrick Mahomes. And
I think that's why they're more of a natural rivalry
because they're in the same UH conference. And that's why
(17:15):
I brought up the braid. You see what I'm saying,
like the Bradian what you're saying. But then because it's
because that's the only way I can get to the
super Bowl, which is your goal is to get to
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Who's in my way?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
When Michael Jordan was in the Eastern Conference right and
and he had to get through the Pistons and the
Celtics like they were in his way, So who was
your rival? The Pistons and the Celtics because you were
trying to beat them and get there.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
But this is where this is where I push back.
I get your point, because it's natural. We're gonna play
a lot. But the greatest rival we all loved in
the eighties was the Lakers Celtics, and they were in
different conferences because they ultimately knew they were competing for
the biggest prize championship. But I think, individual, what if
we get there, Jalen Hurts and Patrick get there again.
Maybe it's not this year, but maybe it's next year.
(18:00):
Now that will be three and what four or five
years for you? What if they don't they compete it.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I just think that you have more chances of over
the next eight years of Lamar coming up against Patrick Mahomes,
Lamar coming up against Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, who has
already beaten Patrick Mahomes a couple times, including once to
go to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Those are the natural. So it's those four.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I know we'd even mentioned Joe Burrow, but that's really
because his team right now, with the defense, it's hard
to look at them and think they're going on the
exactly as the other three four teams. Right So That's
why I think all those quarterbacks. You look at the
AFC and go, man, how are we gonna get to
you know what, I mean, to the Super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Get four guys there. I just think, for me, this
is game five this Sunday. Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes
are two and two regular season above one one and
then also in the Super Bowl they both won one.
So this Sunday will be game five to break the records.
Who has the lead? And I just think that's a right.
But we got five games in now now, two of
them were in the Super Bowl. I beat you, you
(19:02):
beat me. We're both competing Super Bowl MVPs. I mean,
I just think that is it because again I start
to look at it as you guys are competing for
the ultimate goal. And in the next three to four years,
there's no chance to say those guys might meet one
two more times. And to me, that would be amazing
that we had two guys competing Super Bowls a handful
of times, you know, almost like if we got one
(19:24):
more Elion and Tom Brady, you know what I mean,
like a trilogy or that that would have been awesome
like that we would put them guys It's like, man,
look at Eli and Tom Brady going at it because
they met three times in the Super Bowl. So that
to me is the difference is they're competing for a
higher thing. The other two are just compete to even
get to the thing, the Super Bowl. But I get
what you're saying. The AFC, I just look at it
(19:45):
maybe almost like a Laker Celtics. To me, we're competing
in the championship level.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
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Speaker 1 (20:01):
Rob Gene, it was a story that came out today
or was it earlier today?
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah, about chaudeor Sanders. And this was interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
For all the people who bought us just Shador Sanders jerseys,
Brown's jerseys. You mean Barry Sanders, Yeah, Barry Sanders, Chad Sanders. Uh.
After reading this story, I'm figuring that they could wear
the jersey with their ball or big ball of brand.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
That's never loss.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Those two go together, now, Robb g at least appairly,
that's what it sounds like to me.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah, it's not looking good if you're a chaduor Sanders
fan right now, because, as you guys know, it's been
well reported that he ended up being the QB three
in Cleveland. Right after they traded away Kenny Pickett. Dylan
Gabriel was instilled as the backup. Chadua was at number three,
which meant that they could prevent him from going to
the practice squad and getting claim for another team. But
more than anything, the reason why you have a go
(21:00):
at your third string quarterback historically so that he can
run your scout team. He's gonna get reps upon reps
upon reps. It might not be your system, but he's
getting live reps in practice that he wouldn't ordinarily get
as the backup. Well, on Thursday, reporters in Cleveland notice
that hey, this week they're preparing for the Baltimore Ravens
(21:22):
and newcomer Bailey Zappy, he's only been here about two weeks,
is running the.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Scout team Bailey's and Queam Zappi.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
According to at least one reporter, Shador Sander did not
take a single rep in any team drill whatsoever. Well,
once that became a talking point, reporters asked Bill Musgrave
about it, and here's how he justified Shadur not getting
scout team reps.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Yeah, I'd say it's a little bit.
Speaker 8 (21:46):
It's a little bit different, and it's exciting because those
guys do take pride in getting the defense ready. They
want to do a good job of replicating the opponent's offense,
and at the same time, they want to try to
relate any play that they get to our game plan
for that week too, so they can feel like they
can get a little double duty there.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
All right, there's the explanation. Does it make sense to you?
Speaker 9 (22:11):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Because this none of it makes sense to me.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
But you know, I haven't really understood what they've been
doing since the beginning of this. I mean, I do, well,
would you.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Like to go?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Well, I just they're telling you without telling you that
they don't view him as a starting quarterback in the NFL.
I mean, what else could it be if you really
thought you had something, even a diamond in the rough,
why wouldn't you give him some reps? They wouldn't give
him reps during the preseason, right camp, they wouldn't give
(22:41):
the reps there with the first team. They didn't give
him reps during training camp, Like like what it doesn't
make sense. Does it hurt you to give somebody reps?
Is at the end of the world, to give him
some first team reps with the first team. I don't
understand it to hold on to a guy that obviously
(23:02):
you don't believe really is going to be a starting
quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
See that's why I jump in and say, and I
totally get what you're saying, Like because just on the optics,
if you fail from Mars and I told you what
was happening, you'd be like, oh, they must not like
the guy. But what makes it strength? A few things
make it strange for me still round, like why won't
they release him? And maybe it's coming, maybe you know two, three,
four weeks from now he does, who knows?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
But maybe can I give you one reason you hold
on to him and wait for somebody to get hurt,
like a quarterback or some situation, and then he becomes
a little more valuable.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Well, you're making him unvaluable while you keep you keep
demoting him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
And he's not this nolex third which wasn't.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
But there's always some One man's chicken is another man's gumbo.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I mean like, but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Like, he's still the unknown, right, but I holding onto
that one preseason game to dangle out there.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
For you ignore the other one. Yes, uh so.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
One reason why I say that is I'm glad you
brought that up from an outside looking in everything we're
we hear he's supposed to be doing as far as
he's good in practice. We had the coach come out, Oh,
man kave Svanski, Oh, he's just a great guy.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I love this kid. GM's come out.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Some of the older Vets have come out braved about right,
but I'm saying so check it might even mad at
that check. They've said that we saw him in the
preseason game when he actually had players who might be
in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
He looked good, In fact, he looked really good.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Then we saw him with a bunch of guys who
are about to be working at All State Insurance in
a minute, and he looked bad, which a lot of
guys might. And so my thing has been he's done
what he's supposed to do to be in a position now.
The way things work, we know in the NFL, Dylan
Gabriel is our third round pick, and they're too close
neck and neck. We're going with our third round pick.
So I'm not even mad at that. No, if the're
(24:47):
neck and neck, that's what they're But what I'm.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Saying, if you really believe that he's better, I've given
you plenty of examples. You could skip over Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
If Chador's real, that's what I'm saying, he would have
had to have been headed up shoulders above him.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
He wasn't.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Dylan Gabriel looked really good his game out there in
the preseason. So if I picked you, I feel you're
a little older, maybe a little more mature, and you
and you looked good out there, then you're gonna get
that spot. I'm not even mad, But collectively, I just
don't get what that quarterback room is doing. Again, go back,
you give de Sean Watson all the money and all
the bags that can boom. That doesn't work out, Okay,
(25:22):
Then you go and draft for Kenny Piggins, which was like, okay,
that's your saying that that means got I mean trade,
I'm sorry, trade.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
For Kenny Pickins. You're like, that's the guy you're going
to get. But what happened?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
They got dead draft capital back because a quarterback got injured, right,
so now you had an extra quarterback. And then they
were like, whoa, all right, if we have uh, if
we're gonna go with flat goh and we got the
young guy whatever. Now we can get our fifth round
pick back. Right, And Kenny Picktt was hurt.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
He's even playing, right, but you're speaking proactive like later,
I'm sorry, in real time, they got Kenny Picktt, like
that's our guy, Like that was the first guy the
once he got hurt and then he didn't play. But
I'm saying you brought him in as if that was
the answer. No, he was going to know that guy,
That's what I'm saying. He wouldn't answer. And if he
(26:14):
played enough, and when they saw him, they said, once
he gets back injury, we got our guys.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
He didn't play. He didn't play.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
You know, I'm saying, if he would have done enough
that they saw practice in the film rule they would guess.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
They decided where they're going, which is.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
To me, Joe Flacco, They're like, we're not throwing a
toweling on the season, okay, coaches, and GM's their future
rides on on the team as well. They had a
bad year last year. The worst thing they could do
is put a rookie quarterback out there get their heads
handed to him. Nobody wants to hear about DeShawn Watson
getting healthy and all that, and the elephant in the
(26:47):
room is that you see video of de Sean Watson
moving around now and eventually he is going to play
with all the money they still owe him. So that's
why I think in reality they're they're doing what they're doing,
saying the Shawan's going to play, and maybe that's after
Joe Flacco holds it down for this year and they
(27:10):
hold on to Shador until somebody comes knocking.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
That's what I think, because I don't see you're playing
for the Browns, but I and I hear you because
they have so many quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Now they got this other guy zippy zippity does zippity
a Now is it.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
My old my?
Speaker 6 (27:27):
What a wonderful day. I mean, they keeping your son quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Come.
Speaker 9 (27:34):
Zippity dudees. So they get blue bir should into fast. Okay,
what's that?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Can you find that? A?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Well?
Speaker 4 (27:47):
What is that?
Speaker 6 (27:47):
I guess that is a funky flashback Friday. Man.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
My whole point is that cored that Brown's culture quarterback room.
They don't know what they're doing. And I told you
that anytime they think they're about to do something, need
to do the opposite because they ain't had a quarterback
since Bernie Kosar.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
It's been a long time whatever, whatever, you know. We
should actually did want to playoff and they know what
they did.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
They got away from him, which is again what they
shouldn't have done.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
They blew it. They made a mistake.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
They stayed blowing it like it's birthday candle. They always
blowing them out. K K Cake, Cake, what is that
with you? Cake?
Speaker 4 (28:20):
What is this power one oh six? What is this
real ninety two three? What this hot ninety seven? Whenever
I hear Cake, I can't help.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
But because we know where you are when you hear
that song, mentally, yes, it puts you back in the
magic City mode.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Which maybe that is that what you need, get you cheered.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Up, don't get fired.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
You need you need three home runs in a girl
in a game from Aaron Aaron Judge, Rob that would
bring caution?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
What was that? Got some new drops for you?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Rob?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Caution? Who is that? Karen? Don't worry about it? Yo,
Siri acting crazy?
Speaker 7 (29:00):
Don't get fired?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
You want my favorite sexist? What's you say about the
w NBA row sexist?
Speaker 5 (29:09):
What you watch the women's finals of the US Open?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Trying to sabotage my career? What is this they're listening
back at headquarters? Women?
Speaker 6 (29:21):
What about the United States women's national team?
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Sexist? What about laundry night at the w n B
A sexist?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Don't get fired?
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Remember Maybach music? Oh my gosh, you guys are nets
Stevin Brown's. They're terrible. The don't know what they're doing it.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I think they know exactly exactly what they're doing, which
is Chadors not in our plans. Will hold on to them.
Maybe some team will come calling and they have some
quarterback issue and they go, hey you know chaudor yeah,
let's let's give him a shot. Hey we'll give you
this or that or what whatever. Just the idea that
Bailey Zappi's getting more reps in.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Him, Robgie, do you know anything about it? Is he fast?
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Bailey?
Speaker 5 (30:10):
No, what I'm saying is he he might be faster
than Shadoor because I'm saying he being the Lamar Jackson. Yes,
that's what I'm thinking. He's just being meaning we go
back to Shador. We just need to be Jackie in general.
He mentioned it. It's a tipal. This doesn't happen on
other teams. Other teams do not have multiple guys and
everybody else, and everybody doesn't have Lamar Jackson. Dang it,
we got to get ready for Lamar Jackson. Okay, Chadeur
(30:33):
Sanders will play. He's gonna say something. I don't want
Alex hit to drop on me. The new one, no,
the old one.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Okay, I mean they already got a black quarterback, like
did you put back there?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Racist? He is racist. Racist. That's gotta be racist.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Shadoor is not the stereotypes of all black dudes are fast.
Not all black dudes are fast. Okay, Roger sure door
ain't taken off all right, let's get out of keeping.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
By the way, fun fact you know Rob you knows
as a baseball fan. The reason why in Major League
all the Wesley Snipe seen him in slow motion because
they said he was really slow as a runner.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Really, yep, he ain't Tom Cruise, Nope.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
They said he was extremely slow.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
So if we played it in full speed and would
he wouldn't looked good.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Everything in slow motion so.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
He looked like he looked good in a White Man
Can't Jump.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
But he wasn't running. It was just a short racist.
He wasn't. He was good in White Men Can't Jump.
It was good in those movies sports. But that is snipe.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
He's underrated, like nineteen eighty eight to ninety six run.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Oh no he did. He had had a run. But
the irs thing I think right, People don't.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
People do not like Nicholas Katee's been doing one hundred
movies a year, still trying to play off his taxes.
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