September 27, 2025 • 31 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether the Lions’ demolition of Baltimore on Monday Night Football said more about Detroit or Lamar Jackson and the Ravens, explain why Tom Brady is wrong for suggesting that anybody questioning his ability to serve as both as a minority owner and television broadcaster simultaneously is being ‘paranoid and distrustful’, and argue whether it’s fair to call Matthew Stafford ‘one of the best to ever do it’ in NFL history.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Brady posted a lengthy response to that whole situation, and
people are complaining that he can't have both. He can't
be a broadcaster and an owner. It's a conflict of interest.
Here's what he said in part quote. I love football
at its core. It's a game of principles, and with
all the success that has given me, I feel I
have a moral and ethical duty to the sport, which
is why the point where my roles intersect is not
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actually a point of conflict, despite what the paranoid and
distrustful might believe. Rather, it's the place from which my
ethical duty emerges to grow, evolve, and improve the game
that is given me everything.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
What do he say?
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Call people again?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
He called you, Rob Parker, paranoid and distressful.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Thank you and Tom Brady, is this on. I hope
you're listening loud and clear. There's a reason that people
don't trust you in this circumstance because along with being
a great quarterback, you're a great cheater and you come
from an organization that did nothing but cheat. The flake Gate,
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spy gait. What was the other gate? It was one
more all the gates. I got a couple gates for you,
all right, Like there's just so many things out there.
And Tom Brady, you're the one who was suspended by
the National Football League. Do you remember when you destroyed
your phone rather than cooperate all Tom Brady had to do.
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I'll never forget this moment in NFL history when Peter
Alexander from NBC News looked you straight in the face
and said, is Tom Brady at cheater? He shrugged his shoulders,
threw his hands up and said.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
I don't think so. What do you mean, I don't
think so, That's what he said. I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
But he destroyed his phone rather than cooperate with the NFL.
Somehow he had three hundred text messages with a guy
he said he didn't know anything about. Either they were
having a relationship or something else.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
I mean, you have three hundred text messages and you
don't know He.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Claims, you don't know the guy personally, and his nickname
was the deflator in those Texas.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Can you help me? You don't know who that guy is.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Come on, Tom, this is why people don't trust you.
Your history, your legacy is filled with cheating. Why would
you stop now? And you could say, oh, I didn't
know what was going on. Oh g golly with I
don't know stop it. You knew what was going on
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with the deflated footballs.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I have no knowledge of anything. Respect him.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Robbie said he had no knowledge. So my point is simple.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
People don't think this is a good idea and it
is a conflict of interest and you can't see it
because you want what you want. You want the high
paying television job, yet you want to be an owner.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Nobody else is doing that.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Nobody else because it doesn't go together for the fellow coaches,
and people go, oh, they're.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
A big deal. They just like you.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
In reality, if they were asked an honest question where
maybe they didn't have to be counted, they'd have a
different response.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Look, I mean you already touched the we we've talked
about that, and then you touched on some of the
things that I'm gonna add to it. So Tom Brady
went from deflating and scrubbing balls to scrubbing calls, right,
he went to, you know, hey, scrubbing them calls out
the call log. And we know about the deflate gate,
Tampa Gate. Don't forget Tampa Gate with Tampa Wine with
the Dolphins. And this is what I think he's misconstruing.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Tom.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Let's say you've turned a new leaf. Nobody's saying you're
going to but Daggin people say you can. And I
don't think I don't understand how he can have an
issue with people saying there's a possibility when you had
the track record. But also we've known in sports people
try to find a competitive edge. Let me add another
one that he did wasn't illegal, but it was him
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and somebody else trying to find a competitive edge. Remember
when he and his fellow great who had found out
now they're like best of buzz.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
They didn't want us to know when they were playing
Peyton Manny.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Remember they went and talked to the league about stop
hitting us low and we don't want to hit us here,
and they're hitting us like that, and then Tom Brady
a few years back.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Man, they got to take hits.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
I was out there to take It's Tom easy, Tom,
You and Peyton Manning were the main two going about,
we're getting hit too hard, we're getting hit too low,
and get you here.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Also the ones who went to the league to ask
that they have their own balls every time they were quarterbacking,
their balls came in and that's how and that's the
whole thing. Came back with something else. Just be one
game ball, right.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
So so again, what he's misconstruing is nobody is walking.
I think he's taking it as if people were saying, oh,
you're going to repairanoid. No, we're saying what we've learned
about sports, people are going to find a competitive edge,
whether they're gonna be habitual line steppers and right there
on the line, or if they're gonna cross it a bit,
whether it's steroids and track. We know how flunny that
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was throughout the eighties and nineties, early two thousands. We
know about it in baseball, we know about we just
got all this stuff with the Clippers allegedly. Point is
people teams are gonna take full advantage opportunities, Tom, you
have a track record of it, or at least being
a line stepper. So the idea that if there is
a competitive edge to be had, you wouldn't take it,
stop it. All you gotta do is say, hey, man,
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I ain't here for none of that. I'm here to
play ball, help you know, or help my team win.
But you don't have to act like we're crazy. That's
the part that you don't act like we're crazy, like,
oh my god, who would have should distrustful and paranoid?
Come on, Tom, paranoid is if the aliens are coming
on this day, then we got Timpleka. They were paranoid.
I'm in my sleep, somebody's breaking in my house, and
that's paranoid. This is just a proven track record that
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you have, improven track record that people have oftentimes in
professional sports trying to find a competitive edge. It happens annually.
Look at the what Michigan did, look at what other
teams have done in other things. So don't act like
we're crazy, we're distrustful, or we're paranoid. That's the part
that I him me if he defended himself like, man,
I'm not gonna be I'm gonna be on the up
and up and I'm ready to help the Raiders. Cool,
that's what he believes, But don't put it on us
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like we're crazy or naive.
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Speaker 6 (08:04):
Fred Knott, we were concerned about the coordinators Ben Johnson
leaving Aaron Glenn Leavin, and rightfully so, I understand that
you use to lose your coordinators who were both implemental
to what you were doing instrumental, I should say, I
understand that, But Daggett, these coordinators look good right now.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
They have found.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Ways to put up at fifty piece on the Bears.
Mind you, that is Ben Johnson, who supposedly knew everything
about the team, knew everything they're gonna do. He's been
there all those years, he knows the roster, he knows
all this. It looked like they knew him and they
destroyed what he was trying to do to a fifty
something piece barbecue speaking of looked like barbecue chicken. And
Shaq would say, Man, you coming to this game against
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I have in the Super Bowl, you have winning the
Super Bowl and obviously a guy who competes for an
MVP every year, and guy who competes for Offensive Player
of the Year and Derrick Henry, and to come in
and you're able to put up thirty eight on this
team four hundred and twenty six yards. Here's the most
important part, two hundred and twenty four rushing yards to
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their eighty five rushing yards. And that includes Derrick Henry
and Lamar Jackson rushing only eighty five yards. So I
looked at this game a couple of things. Now do I?
I think the Lions have something that I am big on.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
And you know this, you've been doing now radio with
me for a year.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
In identity, Rob.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
They know who they are, what they do, how they
do it, no matter who, And that to me is
attributed to Tan Campbell gambling. Campbell, he gambled even when
I was having heart attacks and I was rooting for him.
He's going forward early as that first quarter fourth down,
going for it. He ends up being three for three,
because that's what they do, even to ice the game.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
They're up eight, Why would you do this? You punt it,
you're up a he goes for it.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
They throw a fourth and you know two and it
ends up being like a twenty five yard pass.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Dan Campbell knows exactly who he is.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
He knows exactly what this team is, and you know
exactly what they're capable of doing. And to me, I
watched that game and they look more prepared, they look
more in sync, they look more united, They play tougher,
they played faster, and they I looked at them, and
that was the contrast to Baltimore. Baltimore didn't look like
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they knew who was gonna close. I call it ABC.
If you're in sales, anybody listening sales know what ABC means,
always be closing. And the Baltimore Ravens they don't know
how to close. For whatever reasons, I have them going
to the super Bowl. But it makes you nervous picking
them because they struggle closing games. And you don't know
if it's Lamar, you don't know if it's John Harball,
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who you've mentioned to me, critic love, You don't know
if it's the defense that's gonna let them down. Defense
ray Lewis rolled around in his bed, very roll around
his bed right now, the way that defense looks this season.
So I look at this game and I walked away
looking at Dan Campbell and looking at that Lion's team saying,
they know exactly who they are and what they do.
Gonna run the ball, They're gonna smash it down. They're
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gonna get after you the defensively. They might not have
the greatest defensive players individually, but as a collective, they're
gonna get after you and that, and they're gonna go
for it on fourth down. Whether you like it or
love it. I hope he changes a little bit in
the postseason. That story for another day. But I just
looked at that and said, Wow, they know exactly what
they are and that's why they played well, and that's
why I still obviously have them going to the postseason.
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But I was disappointed in the Ravens the way they
always look frazzled.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
They don't look like they're know what they're doing.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
The Lions come out, they know exactly what fourth down
they're running, they know exactly what play they're running.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
On third down to get to the fourth down.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
They know exactly that they're going for it and they
and they look steady. The Ravens don't look steady when
they're down or when it's closed, so when it's they
look frazzled and weird at times. And again, who's gonna
be the person instead of is that John Harball in
his scheme and he's gonna change and he's gonna find
a way to stop to run or find a way
to put Lamar in better situations, or is Lamar gonna
say screw everybody on here, I'm gonna get it done.
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I walked away like that's what. That's why we all
have a little anks with the race at times, because
he's the best player. He's so skilled, so is Derrick Henry.
But you walk away like I don't know. And that
was disappointing to see from the Ravens. But great game
from the Lions. They're exactly in a great position. You
have the Browns, you have the Bengals. If you win
that and you're up four to one right now in
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the season, that is a tremendous, tremendous start, considering you
lost your coordinators and some people like when I sit
next to you said you ain't even gonna make the
postseason barbecue?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Are you done with that lame take of the Lions?
They know exactly what did you wing? They knew?
Speaker 6 (12:34):
What?
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Did they know what they were doing against Green Bay? No?
They did not.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Can they bank on two hundred and fifty yards on
the ground every week?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
No they can.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Do you see how easily Baltimore was able to score
on them?
Speaker 5 (12:47):
No? No, yes.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And the other one is if you're gonna get a
gift fumble where you're able to cash it, and of
course that's gonna help you. I looked at this game.
I didn't come away with the Lions are great.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
I came away with the Ravens have let down, Lamar,
the coaches let them down.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
The defense, they give up forty points every night. They
haven't done anything.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
The Lions didn't do anything special, be Ranclodi points. The
defense is terrible. That's what I'm talking about. The fumbles
costantly fumbles. Yes, the Lions got their Christmas gift and
the Lions got their Christmas wish.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
That's what this was.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
You'll look back on this and this will be the
Lions super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
This game, right, here, celebrate all you won. This will
be the game, and you'll go back and go. Man,
what happened to that team?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
When they beat the Ravens in Week three and they
re beat them in Baltimore that I thought they were
on their way and then they all of a sudden
lost to Cleveland and some other game, and I didn't
know what happened there.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Really, I didn't walk away with the Lions.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I walked away with how bad Baltimore played and what
they didn't do, and how they can't secure the ball,
and how they have a coach I told you who
should be fired because this is this is happens over
and over and over. How many times are we going
to see this?
Speaker 4 (14:11):
So?
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Why are you the Ravens in because they have the
greatest player. They have the greatest player in the league
right now, That's what I want. Why I'm hot? Why
can't Lamar close? You stop it with the Lamar? I said,
he's the best player. Why can't close the game?
Speaker 5 (14:31):
They can get two hundred and fifty yards on the ground.
Would have to do with Lamore?
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Why can't he close the game? No that I didn't say.
We have to go tackle people. Come on, why can't
he close? You can't do anything with dad when.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
The game.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
That's ridiculous. Come off of that game. Why can't Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Why can't can't hold on to the football? Come on, exactly,
that's a lazy take. Let's that's absolutely nothing to do
with that game.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
He got sack seven times to start running back, caught
up another fourth quarter football that turned into.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Points, and you are Jackets, stop on defense. Come on,
Mark Jackson football and now I need him to be
the best player off. I need him to make him
play the big name Jaxic can make us play. It's
okay to be critical of him. Rob, It's okay, I
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promise you. No, it's okay. It just promise you he
had none he makes. He doesn't make every play. I
promise you he doesn't. Had nothing to do with Lamar.
Didn't you watch the war?
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Yes? No you didn't. I did too.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
Then there's no way you walked away from that thinking
that Lamar Jackson played well. Nobody's questioning that he eternally
for the ninety seven percent of his games.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
He's gonna play well. But what's the difference.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Why do we talk about Patrick Mahomes, Why do we
talk about Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Give me a game where Patrick's Mahomes defense gave up
two hundred and fifty yards?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Glad? How about yards on the ground every.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Single playoff game he played on a run, he was
down ten and he filed a way to win and
won the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (16:11):
How about that?
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Do you got Lamar Jackson two undred and fifty yards
on the ground in your court and your running back
coughs up the ball in the fourth.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
And you're still in the game. Bit No, no, you can't.
He's doing that.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Came on that last time.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
You kid't keep doing that.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
You would have to doing that at some point, say
Lamar Jackson, I need a bit more from you to
close games.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Yes, issue would ever come.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I watched him in San Francisco blow out the forty
nine ers.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
On Christmas Day. I've seen plenty of games.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
He's been plenty plenty.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I need you when you're when you're not in a
front to come. Can you close the game?
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Bar?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
He threw a ball of Mark Andrews last year and
Buffalo and what did he do?
Speaker 5 (17:01):
He dropped it? But but Lamar can't get it done.
Go watch tape.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Go watch the tape, Watch the tape, they he might
win it to be this year. It's okay, Rob Lamar
Jackson trying to better watch the game.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
And you know what funny was against against Kansas.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
City, Mars Jackson would up the two yard line if
Lamar Jackson was right after doing Lamar, if Lamar Jackson
was saying, Hey, yo, Dub, you're right, I gotta be better.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
I gotta close games out.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Nobody's saying that Derreck Henry didn't foot things are you
know how many things happened to Great quarterbacks are out
the game and they can find a way, and Lamar
is too talented to not be able to find a
way at times when it's critical. At times, I just
think it's lazy. And this is what people do.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
You'll bang on Lamar all you want and then he'll
win and you'll change your tune.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
And I get it, No, no get it. He's because
what it takes.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
He's what he has to do is win one, just
like John Elway couldn't win, and he won.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
His last two Super Bowls his last two years. And
guess what.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
John Elway is an all time great and he was
always great.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Lamar Jackson the same time great, which is why we
are not buying that if Lamar Jackson wasn't at all
forty points every game, because they lost two games and
they gave up forty points and Lamar is the reason
and start running back fumbled in both of those games in.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
The fourth quarter. So so Lamar is going to get
me something clean.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
So guess what.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
So Lamar Jackson is gonna look up and will have
played seven eight more years of amazing football and at
some point we're gonna find every the defense did this,
his coach didn't do that. It's into Derek Henry fumble
that at some point he has to be able to say,
I have been this good. And watching that game last night,
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there were too many moments that for the fourth when
they go for it on goal line against the Lions,
they just running plays, not even they're just out there
doing stuff like they know. They are not built. They're
not situated to absolutely go exactly what they're doing, and
Lamar has to find ways. It's on him. He knows it.
If he's sitting next to me, he would say, you
are right now. Not every game does any games where
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defense lets up this or Derek Henry fumbles five. But
we're saying when I need to depend on him at
times he is faltered.
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Speaker 5 (19:34):
Well very quietly.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
One of the most important and big games of the
weekend is this upcoming Rams Colts game, because the Cult
are three and oh, the Rams are two and one.
They look like one of the best teams in football
for about three and a half quarters and they blew
it there in Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yeah, bad loss bade.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
This game is very big long term for the NFL season.
And you mentioned that Shane Sneiken met with the media
earlier today. He was asked about Matthew Stafford and how
is it he's able to play at such a high
level at the ripe page of thirty seven. Take a
listen to this doozy.
Speaker 9 (20:03):
I think he's one of the best probably to ever
do it. And I think he has a physicality about him,
like he's tough as it gets. I mean, you see
him taking shots and he gets up and he ain't
coming out of the game, and that's respect there, you know,
right away, just seeing that, but I think he can
make all the throws. You know, I think he does
a great job at seeing it. I mean, like I said,
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he makes a big plays.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
With his arm.
Speaker 9 (20:26):
And when you got a guy that's done it at a
high level for a long time, He's seen a lot
of different looks and so getting them in out of
the right places.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
He's been doing that for a long time.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
But I mean, just most respect for him.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Just once again, a total like what are these guys smoking?
These coaches and whatnot. I know, you want to give
the other guy some kind words or whatever. Stafford has
played a long time. I watched his very first game
in Detroit. I covered most of his career. Okay, so
I've watched him play. But to consider him one of
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the greatest who has ever done it, this reminds me
of these young kids who think Paul George is their goat.
Matthew Stafford is Paul George with a lucky championship that
he was able to get, you.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Know, late in his career.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
None of the numbers or anything you talk about with
Matthew Stafford add up. None of it. There's a reason
he was called stat Padford in Detroit. They were down
twenty one to nothing, prevent defense. They let you throw
in front of him. You notice you watched it, and
he piled up numbers and whatnot, and they lost and
they will lose all the time. And I'm just saying,
those are the numbers that Stafford has.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
They weren't any. I don't know if Stafford played for real.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I'm not sure he played ten games that mattered in
his entire career in Detroit. And I'm talking about the
three playoff games and maybe a couple of seasons, the
first game of the year, you know what I mean,
where something was on the line. I'm dead serious, Like,
I'm not so sure he played ten games in his
career that matter before he came to Los Angeles. Here's
(22:02):
the issue I have in this long career. Always a
Tier two quarterback, right, I only got to think one
time was he ever even considered a Tier one quarterback?
And I can't dispute that two time Pro Bowler one time.
I know he was an alternate on the Pro Bowl.
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Has a losing record as a starter ten one, fourteen
and one in the playoffs, five and five and one
in five outside of that Super Bowl run. You know what,
I mean, And let's not forget the Rams went to
the Super Bowl with Jared Goff.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Before he got there.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
They weren't like an also ran or down try out
an organization, and the Messiah showed up and got him there.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
So none of this stuff makes any sense to me.
I get it.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
You fall in love with the arm and some of
the other attributes, which is fine to say that he
can sling the football and he he does a lot
of things well or whatever, but one of the greatest,
one of the best, who ever did it? I just
think it's overblown and people just toss around the idea
of who's great.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
How could you even consider him one of the greatest
whoever done it? He has a losing record two Pro Bowls.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I'll ask you, Rob G. Can you look this up?
Has he ever gotten one vote for MVP? I'm serious?
In all these years he played in national football, I
don't think he's gotten actually one vote.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
I wouldn't be surprised if he got maybe one one
of those years where he cars.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
But I'm if I was a betting man right now,
I say he's never gotten even one MV.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
That's possible.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
So here so Matthew Stafford is one of those guys that,
again we've talked about in other sports, Kyrie Irving. You
mentioned Paul George, but I'll go Kyrie Irving one time champ.
But because of circumstances, it's gonna be hard to explain
his full story.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
I give you another guy, but.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
At least Kyrie had like a big shot in a
big moment, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
We know Kyrie is Kyrie, but it's gonna be hard
because you'll name so many other guys you'll put above
him that if you didn't really see it, you'll be
hard to explained. Now, Matthew Stafford, I think why people
love him, Why he's your favorite quarterbacks, favorite quarterback or
quarterbacks of the past.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
They drool over him.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
Offensive coordinator Sean McVay while he was like, we're not
gonna ride with Jared Goff's young guy, he believes, like,
get out of here.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
We can get Matthew Stafford. The reason. There's a couple
of reasons why.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
And sometimes I think in anything you want to go
where it could be music, it could be movies, there's
an adoration that people have for somebody. Part of it
is their circumstances. And I think there's a lot of
people who look at Matthew Stafford, you know, the people
who study the game and know the game, they say, man,
if that guy was in place X or had the
same opportunities as Joe blow Man, what would he do?
(24:53):
He makes every throw and you know this, he his
arm angles and throws was ridiculous. He can throw a
ball up under overside ways, switch hand, left hand, no looks.
And he's big, he's strong, I mean, he's his big arm,
he's tough, he stays in games. And I think there's
a part of guys who watch him and say, man
if he was only in a Kyle Shanahan systems for
a decade, if he was only.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
With Andy Reid.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Andy Reid got Kevin Cobb, made Kevin Cobb look like
a thing. He brought Michael Vick from prison to the
comeback Player of the Year. Now that they mcnav stayed
in and it's Jimmy super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Who go to bad situations?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Okay, Michael Jordan went to the Chicago Bulls that had
a terrible organization. Go look it up before he showed up. Okay,
really bad. They didn't won anything. Yeah, and Reggie Theas
and all those guys. And that's all I'm saying. There
are plenty of guys. Peyton Manning went to Indianapolis. I
could go on and on and on. Not the best situation,
(25:50):
not the best circumstance. You can't always use that for everybody.
There are people who changed the organization. Joe Burrow. They
could not win a playoff game him in Cincinnati, right,
people were saying, don't go to Cincinnati, Joe Burrow. You
don't deserve that. You deserve better. And what did he
do with second year to come to the super Bowl.
(26:11):
That's what I'm trying to say is that he's That's why.
And Calvin Johnson and Domakan sue Nick fairly like they
had some players that are tough five defense to let
the year they lost to Dallas in the playoffs, go
look it up.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
You remember that year was throwing humans around, Nick fair
remember that. But that year they had a really good defense.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
So no, So the guys you named, I'm glad you
named them because Michael Jordan was just scoring a bunch
of pointless points until he got Phil Jackson. Peyton Manning
was just throwing a bunch of touchdowns till he got
Tony Dungee and they created a team. And that's the
point people who watched Matthew Stafford say, man, if only
he had a situation that And I'm just telling.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
You why people put him.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
That he had no control of anything. But this is
where I'm gonna push back. It ain't the minute he
got the team, because they.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Had already had successful, they had already gone to the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
And I'm gonna tell you this, and i want you
to go look it up.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
If the what's that kid's name, Sequsskey Tart or whatever
his name is, Kurosky Tart, if he catches that interception
and the and the Rams lose that game, Matthew like
his narrative about Matthew Stafford is night and day, because
(27:38):
it was right on Q. Matthew Stafford through a game
winning touchdown in the Super Bowl and didn't get the
Super Bowl MVP. You know why because he had two
interceptions in that game as well.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
And that's all I'm trying to tell you is that he's.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
One play away, one play from being garbage.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
One play we know we can one play it for
to death. We know that.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
I'm telling you going back to making the change. This
is why I disagree with you on this one. Matthew
Stafford came into an ow to sixteen team and he
didn't eli manning it. He didn't should do her. Maybe
I won't go play there. He didn't do any of that.
Matthew Stafford embrace and I remember, obviously I'm watching his
fan I'm like, who are we gonna drive? And they
kept saying this kid out of Georgia, kid out of Georgia.
(28:23):
Matthew Stafford's a guy, kid out of Georgia. Matthew Stafn's
a guy. I'm like, all right, And anytime they would
ask him, the Lions have been futrid. The Lions sucked,
The Lions aren't good. It's been a bad organization. Why
would you want to go there? Why would you want
to go there? He said, I want to be a
part of the change. And for the most part they
were a team you had to beat with him. They
made the postseason a few times with him. They wasn't
(28:44):
doing that before him, And you know that you were there.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
What do you mean they weren't doing that?
Speaker 6 (28:48):
There was a long period where the Lions sucked and
didn't even make the postseason for a long time before
Matthew Stafford got there.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
But this's so what I'm saying all the plu But
they were bad and they got a lot of great players.
Calvin Johnson, they had a first top pick for year
after year after.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
One of them is no longer winning, Charles Rogers. They
were just picking people receiver at receive, William They're picking receiver.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
And here's the other thing that doesn't bode well. Look
at the other guys, Matthew Stafford with the two Pro Bowls,
Derek Carr four, Andy Dalton three, Kirk Cousins four, and.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Every person.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
You tell me if I'm wrong, you would take Matthew
Stafford out of everybody you just named.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
No on that list would you take over?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And not at the time when they played, because there
were there's a lot of bad Matthew Stafford that I
was there every Sunday. I was there every Sunday. No, No,
you're doing it after the feeder. I'm it doesn't work
know in real time. No, it doesn't matter like Stafford.
You're looking at Matthew Stafford after Yes, you.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
Are, dude, Matthew Stafford has been he has been your
favorite and now analyst and and Nalys says, break down
quarterback of the quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
People love matt He threw a.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Ton of big interceptions again for us with the Lions,
Are you kidding?
Speaker 6 (30:05):
I was watching he has in one season ever because
his teams were down because they weren't great, and he
found a way to get them back. Yeah, eight comebacks
and win. You how players don't have that in their
tire fifteen.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
But the problem is there were situations where they could
have beat Green Bay. The last game of the season
at home, he has a terrible game. I could go
and document all these games. There's a reason that people
went along with that nickname stat Pafford because most of
his stats came late.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
They didn't come when the game was in flux.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
I saw too many come back I watched all these games.
He won games they shouldn't have won. And that's why,
like when they called him the cardiac Cats, because they
knew how to come back.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Look Matthew Stafford again.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
I think the benefit he has is people say, if
you put him in a winning situation, what happened? He
got to one and he won that situation the postseason
and in the postseason with Sean mcv I know he's
five five is what he is. And un fon and
people saw him all right, he made a horrible futriit
franchise solid, they weren't great. He made them solid and
(31:12):
competitive for so long and then he goes to it.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
They weren't competitive to me, I were They lost twenty
three twenty three straight road games when.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
The same Matthew Stafford that had them in the postseason
handful of times, but I know a time. Never those
years three times Matthew Stafford to go to the playoffs
all the time, Barry Sanders, Wayne Fons, they went every
other year.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
To the postseason.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
And that stopped at about ninety ninety eight, and we
ain't go back to about what twenty eleven.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Literally, I think that's what it was.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Brady posted a lengthy response to that whole situation, and
people are complaining that he can't have both. He can't
be a broadcaster and an owner. It's a conflict of interest.
Here's what he said in part quote. I love football
at its core. It's a game of principles, and with
all the success that has given me, I feel I
have a moral and ethical duty to the sport, which
is why the point where my roles intersect is not
(00:49):
actually a point of conflict, despite what the paranoid and
distrustful might believe. Rather, it's the place from which my
ethical duty emerges to grow, evolve, and improve the game
that is given me everything.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
What do he say?
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Call people again?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
He called you, Rob Parker, paranoid and distressful.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Thank you and Tom Brady, is this on. I hope
you're listening loud and clear. There's a reason that people
don't trust you in this circumstance because along with being
a great quarterback, you're a great cheater and you come
from an organization that did nothing but cheat. The flake Gate,
(01:34):
spy gait. What was the other gate? It was one
more all the gates. I got a couple gates for you,
all right, Like there's just so many things out there.
And Tom Brady, you're the one who was suspended by
the National Football League. Do you remember when you destroyed
your phone rather than cooperate all Tom Brady had to do.
(01:58):
I'll never forget this moment in NFL history when Peter
Alexander from NBC News looked you straight in the face
and said, is Tom Brady at cheater? He shrugged his shoulders,
threw his hands up and said.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
I don't think so. What do you mean, I don't
think so, That's what he said. I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
But he destroyed his phone rather than cooperate with the NFL.
Somehow he had three hundred text messages with a guy
he said he didn't know anything about. Either they were
having a relationship or something else.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
I mean, you have three hundred text messages and you
don't know He.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Claims, you don't know the guy personally, and his nickname
was the deflator in those Texas.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Can you help me? You don't know who that guy is.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Come on, Tom, this is why people don't trust you.
Your history, your legacy is filled with cheating. Why would
you stop now? And you could say, oh, I didn't
know what was going on. Oh g golly with I
don't know stop it. You knew what was going on
(03:14):
with the deflated footballs.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I have no knowledge of anything. Respect him.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Robbie said he had no knowledge. So my point is simple.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
People don't think this is a good idea and it
is a conflict of interest and you can't see it
because you want what you want. You want the high
paying television job, yet you want to be an owner.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Nobody else is doing that.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Nobody else because it doesn't go together for the fellow coaches,
and people go, oh, they're.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
A big deal. They just like you.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
In reality, if they were asked an honest question where
maybe they didn't have to be counted, they'd have a
different response.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Look, I mean you already touched the we we've talked
about that, and then you touched on some of the
things that I'm gonna add to it. So Tom Brady
went from deflating and scrubbing balls to scrubbing calls, right,
he went to, you know, hey, scrubbing them calls out
the call log. And we know about the deflate gate,
Tampa Gate. Don't forget Tampa Gate with Tampa Wine with
the Dolphins. And this is what I think he's misconstruing.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Tom.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Let's say you've turned a new leaf. Nobody's saying you're
going to but Daggin people say you can. And I
don't think I don't understand how he can have an
issue with people saying there's a possibility when you had
the track record. But also we've known in sports people
try to find a competitive edge. Let me add another
one that he did wasn't illegal, but it was him
(04:41):
and somebody else trying to find a competitive edge. Remember
when he and his fellow great who had found out
now they're like best of buzz.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
They didn't want us to know when they were playing
Peyton Manny.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Remember they went and talked to the league about stop
hitting us low and we don't want to hit us here,
and they're hitting us like that, and then Tom Brady
a few years back.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Man, they got to take hits.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
I was out there to take It's Tom easy, Tom,
You and Peyton Manning were the main two going about,
we're getting hit too hard, we're getting hit too low,
and get you here.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Also the ones who went to the league to ask
that they have their own balls every time they were quarterbacking,
their balls came in and that's how and that's the
whole thing. Came back with something else. Just be one
game ball, right.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
So so again, what he's misconstruing is nobody is walking.
I think he's taking it as if people were saying, oh,
you're going to repairanoid. No, we're saying what we've learned
about sports, people are going to find a competitive edge,
whether they're gonna be habitual line steppers and right there
on the line, or if they're gonna cross it a bit,
whether it's steroids and track. We know how flunny that
(05:40):
was throughout the eighties and nineties, early two thousands. We
know about it in baseball, we know about we just
got all this stuff with the Clippers allegedly. Point is
people teams are gonna take full advantage opportunities, Tom, you
have a track record of it, or at least being
a line stepper. So the idea that if there is
a competitive edge to be had, you wouldn't take it,
stop it. All you gotta do is say, hey, man,
(06:01):
I ain't here for none of that. I'm here to
play ball, help you know, or help my team win.
But you don't have to act like we're crazy. That's
the part that you don't act like we're crazy, like,
oh my god, who would have should distrustful and paranoid?
Come on, Tom, paranoid is if the aliens are coming
on this day, then we got Timpleka. They were paranoid.
I'm in my sleep, somebody's breaking in my house, and
that's paranoid. This is just a proven track record that
(06:24):
you have, improven track record that people have oftentimes in
professional sports trying to find a competitive edge. It happens annually.
Look at the what Michigan did, look at what other
teams have done in other things. So don't act like
we're crazy, we're distrustful, or we're paranoid. That's the part
that I him me if he defended himself like, man,
I'm not gonna be I'm gonna be on the up
and up and I'm ready to help the Raiders. Cool,
that's what he believes, But don't put it on us
(06:45):
like we're crazy or naive.
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Speaker 6 (08:04):
Fred Knott, we were concerned about the coordinators Ben Johnson
leaving Aaron Glenn Leavin, and rightfully so, I understand that
you use to lose your coordinators who were both implemental
to what you were doing instrumental, I should say, I
understand that, But Daggett, these coordinators look good right now.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
They have found.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Ways to put up at fifty piece on the Bears.
Mind you, that is Ben Johnson, who supposedly knew everything
about the team, knew everything they're gonna do. He's been
there all those years, he knows the roster, he knows
all this. It looked like they knew him and they
destroyed what he was trying to do to a fifty
something piece barbecue speaking of looked like barbecue chicken. And
Shaq would say, Man, you coming to this game against
(08:47):
I have in the Super Bowl, you have winning the
Super Bowl and obviously a guy who competes for an
MVP every year, and guy who competes for Offensive Player
of the Year and Derrick Henry, and to come in
and you're able to put up thirty eight on this
team four hundred and twenty six yards. Here's the most
important part, two hundred and twenty four rushing yards to
(09:07):
their eighty five rushing yards. And that includes Derrick Henry
and Lamar Jackson rushing only eighty five yards. So I
looked at this game a couple of things. Now do I?
I think the Lions have something that I am big on.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
And you know this, you've been doing now radio with
me for a year.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
In identity, Rob.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
They know who they are, what they do, how they
do it, no matter who, And that to me is
attributed to Tan Campbell gambling. Campbell, he gambled even when
I was having heart attacks and I was rooting for him.
He's going forward early as that first quarter fourth down,
going for it. He ends up being three for three,
because that's what they do, even to ice the game.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
They're up eight, Why would you do this? You punt it,
you're up a he goes for it.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
They throw a fourth and you know two and it
ends up being like a twenty five yard pass.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Dan Campbell knows exactly who he is.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
He knows exactly what this team is, and you know
exactly what they're capable of doing. And to me, I
watched that game and they look more prepared, they look
more in sync, they look more united, They play tougher,
they played faster, and they I looked at them, and
that was the contrast to Baltimore. Baltimore didn't look like
(10:20):
they knew who was gonna close. I call it ABC.
If you're in sales, anybody listening sales know what ABC means,
always be closing. And the Baltimore Ravens they don't know
how to close. For whatever reasons, I have them going
to the super Bowl. But it makes you nervous picking
them because they struggle closing games. And you don't know
if it's Lamar, you don't know if it's John Harball,
(10:41):
who you've mentioned to me, critic love, You don't know
if it's the defense that's gonna let them down. Defense
ray Lewis rolled around in his bed, very roll around
his bed right now, the way that defense looks this season.
So I look at this game and I walked away
looking at Dan Campbell and looking at that Lion's team saying,
they know exactly who they are and what they do.
Gonna run the ball, They're gonna smash it down. They're
(11:02):
gonna get after you the defensively. They might not have
the greatest defensive players individually, but as a collective, they're
gonna get after you and that, and they're gonna go
for it on fourth down. Whether you like it or
love it. I hope he changes a little bit in
the postseason. That story for another day. But I just
looked at that and said, Wow, they know exactly what
they are and that's why they played well, and that's
why I still obviously have them going to the postseason.
(11:23):
But I was disappointed in the Ravens the way they
always look frazzled.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
They don't look like they're know what they're doing.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
The Lions come out, they know exactly what fourth down
they're running, they know exactly what play they're running.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
On third down to get to the fourth down.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
They know exactly that they're going for it and they
and they look steady. The Ravens don't look steady when
they're down or when it's closed, so when it's they
look frazzled and weird at times. And again, who's gonna
be the person instead of is that John Harball in
his scheme and he's gonna change and he's gonna find
a way to stop to run or find a way
to put Lamar in better situations, or is Lamar gonna
say screw everybody on here, I'm gonna get it done.
(11:56):
I walked away like that's what. That's why we all
have a little anks with the race at times, because
he's the best player. He's so skilled, so is Derrick Henry.
But you walk away like I don't know. And that
was disappointing to see from the Ravens. But great game
from the Lions. They're exactly in a great position. You
have the Browns, you have the Bengals. If you win
that and you're up four to one right now in
(12:17):
the season, that is a tremendous, tremendous start, considering you
lost your coordinators and some people like when I sit
next to you said you ain't even gonna make the
postseason barbecue?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Are you done with that lame take of the Lions?
They know exactly what did you wing? They knew?
Speaker 6 (12:34):
What?
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Did they know what they were doing against Green Bay? No?
They did not.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Can they bank on two hundred and fifty yards on
the ground every week?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
No they can.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Do you see how easily Baltimore was able to score
on them?
Speaker 5 (12:47):
No? No, yes.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And the other one is if you're gonna get a
gift fumble where you're able to cash it, and of
course that's gonna help you. I looked at this game.
I didn't come away with the Lions are great.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
I came away with the Ravens have let down, Lamar,
the coaches let them down.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
The defense, they give up forty points every night. They
haven't done anything.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
The Lions didn't do anything special, be Ranclodi points. The
defense is terrible. That's what I'm talking about. The fumbles
costantly fumbles. Yes, the Lions got their Christmas gift and
the Lions got their Christmas wish.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
That's what this was.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
You'll look back on this and this will be the
Lions super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
This game, right, here, celebrate all you won. This will
be the game, and you'll go back and go. Man,
what happened to that team?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
When they beat the Ravens in Week three and they
re beat them in Baltimore that I thought they were
on their way and then they all of a sudden
lost to Cleveland and some other game, and I didn't
know what happened there.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Really, I didn't walk away with the Lions.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I walked away with how bad Baltimore played and what
they didn't do, and how they can't secure the ball,
and how they have a coach I told you who
should be fired because this is this is happens over
and over and over. How many times are we going
to see this?
Speaker 4 (14:11):
So?
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Why are you the Ravens in because they have the
greatest player. They have the greatest player in the league
right now, That's what I want. Why I'm hot? Why
can't Lamar close? You stop it with the Lamar? I said,
he's the best player. Why can't close the game?
Speaker 5 (14:31):
They can get two hundred and fifty yards on the ground.
Would have to do with Lamore?
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Why can't he close the game? No that I didn't say.
We have to go tackle people. Come on, why can't
he close? You can't do anything with dad when.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
The game.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
That's ridiculous. Come off of that game. Why can't Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Why can't can't hold on to the football? Come on, exactly,
that's a lazy take. Let's that's absolutely nothing to do
with that game.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
He got sack seven times to start running back, caught
up another fourth quarter football that turned into.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Points, and you are Jackets, stop on defense. Come on,
Mark Jackson football and now I need him to be
the best player off. I need him to make him
play the big name Jaxic can make us play. It's
okay to be critical of him. Rob, It's okay, I
(15:27):
promise you. No, it's okay. It just promise you he
had none he makes. He doesn't make every play. I
promise you he doesn't. Had nothing to do with Lamar.
Didn't you watch the war?
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Yes? No you didn't. I did too.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
Then there's no way you walked away from that thinking
that Lamar Jackson played well. Nobody's questioning that he eternally
for the ninety seven percent of his games.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
He's gonna play well. But what's the difference.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Why do we talk about Patrick Mahomes, Why do we
talk about Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Give me a game where Patrick's Mahomes defense gave up
two hundred and fifty yards?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Glad? How about yards on the ground every.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Single playoff game he played on a run, he was
down ten and he filed a way to win and
won the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (16:11):
How about that?
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Do you got Lamar Jackson two undred and fifty yards
on the ground in your court and your running back
coughs up the ball in the fourth.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
And you're still in the game. Bit No, no, you can't.
He's doing that.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Came on that last time.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
You kid't keep doing that.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
You would have to doing that at some point, say
Lamar Jackson, I need a bit more from you to
close games.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Yes, issue would ever come.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I watched him in San Francisco blow out the forty
nine ers.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
On Christmas Day. I've seen plenty of games.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
He's been plenty plenty.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I need you when you're when you're not in a
front to come. Can you close the game?
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Bar?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
He threw a ball of Mark Andrews last year and
Buffalo and what did he do?
Speaker 5 (17:01):
He dropped it? But but Lamar can't get it done.
Go watch tape.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Go watch the tape, Watch the tape, they he might
win it to be this year. It's okay, Rob Lamar
Jackson trying to better watch the game.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
And you know what funny was against against Kansas.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
City, Mars Jackson would up the two yard line if
Lamar Jackson was right after doing Lamar, if Lamar Jackson
was saying, Hey, yo, Dub, you're right, I gotta be better.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
I gotta close games out.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Nobody's saying that Derreck Henry didn't foot things are you
know how many things happened to Great quarterbacks are out
the game and they can find a way, and Lamar
is too talented to not be able to find a
way at times when it's critical. At times, I just
think it's lazy. And this is what people do.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
You'll bang on Lamar all you want and then he'll
win and you'll change your tune.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
And I get it, No, no get it. He's because
what it takes.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
He's what he has to do is win one, just
like John Elway couldn't win, and he won.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
His last two Super Bowls his last two years. And
guess what.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
John Elway is an all time great and he was
always great.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Lamar Jackson the same time great, which is why we
are not buying that if Lamar Jackson wasn't at all
forty points every game, because they lost two games and
they gave up forty points and Lamar is the reason
and start running back fumbled in both of those games in.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
The fourth quarter. So so Lamar is going to get
me something clean.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
So guess what.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
So Lamar Jackson is gonna look up and will have
played seven eight more years of amazing football and at
some point we're gonna find every the defense did this,
his coach didn't do that. It's into Derek Henry fumble
that at some point he has to be able to say,
I have been this good. And watching that game last night,
(18:51):
there were too many moments that for the fourth when
they go for it on goal line against the Lions,
they just running plays, not even they're just out there
doing stuff like they know. They are not built. They're
not situated to absolutely go exactly what they're doing, and
Lamar has to find ways. It's on him. He knows it.
If he's sitting next to me, he would say, you
are right now. Not every game does any games where
(19:14):
defense lets up this or Derek Henry fumbles five. But
we're saying when I need to depend on him at
times he is faltered.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
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Speaker 5 (19:34):
Well very quietly.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
One of the most important and big games of the
weekend is this upcoming Rams Colts game, because the Cult
are three and oh, the Rams are two and one.
They look like one of the best teams in football
for about three and a half quarters and they blew
it there in Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yeah, bad loss bade.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
This game is very big long term for the NFL season.
And you mentioned that Shane Sneiken met with the media
earlier today. He was asked about Matthew Stafford and how
is it he's able to play at such a high
level at the ripe page of thirty seven. Take a
listen to this doozy.
Speaker 9 (20:03):
I think he's one of the best probably to ever
do it. And I think he has a physicality about him,
like he's tough as it gets. I mean, you see
him taking shots and he gets up and he ain't
coming out of the game, and that's respect there, you know,
right away, just seeing that, but I think he can
make all the throws. You know, I think he does
a great job at seeing it. I mean, like I said,
(20:25):
he makes a big plays.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
With his arm.
Speaker 9 (20:26):
And when you got a guy that's done it at a
high level for a long time, He's seen a lot
of different looks and so getting them in out of
the right places.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
He's been doing that for a long time.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
But I mean, just most respect for him.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Just once again, a total like what are these guys smoking?
These coaches and whatnot. I know, you want to give
the other guy some kind words or whatever. Stafford has
played a long time. I watched his very first game
in Detroit. I covered most of his career. Okay, so
I've watched him play. But to consider him one of
(21:00):
the greatest who has ever done it, this reminds me
of these young kids who think Paul George is their goat.
Matthew Stafford is Paul George with a lucky championship that
he was able to get, you.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Know, late in his career.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
None of the numbers or anything you talk about with
Matthew Stafford add up. None of it. There's a reason
he was called stat Padford in Detroit. They were down
twenty one to nothing, prevent defense. They let you throw
in front of him. You notice you watched it, and
he piled up numbers and whatnot, and they lost and
they will lose all the time. And I'm just saying,
those are the numbers that Stafford has.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
They weren't any. I don't know if Stafford played for real.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I'm not sure he played ten games that mattered in
his entire career in Detroit. And I'm talking about the
three playoff games and maybe a couple of seasons, the
first game of the year, you know what I mean,
where something was on the line. I'm dead serious, Like,
I'm not so sure he played ten games in his
career that matter before he came to Los Angeles. Here's
(22:02):
the issue I have in this long career. Always a
Tier two quarterback, right, I only got to think one
time was he ever even considered a Tier one quarterback?
And I can't dispute that two time Pro Bowler one time.
I know he was an alternate on the Pro Bowl.
(22:24):
Has a losing record as a starter ten one, fourteen
and one in the playoffs, five and five and one
in five outside of that Super Bowl run. You know what,
I mean, And let's not forget the Rams went to
the Super Bowl with Jared Goff.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Before he got there.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
They weren't like an also ran or down try out
an organization, and the Messiah showed up and got him there.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
So none of this stuff makes any sense to me.
I get it.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
You fall in love with the arm and some of
the other attributes, which is fine to say that he
can sling the football and he he does a lot
of things well or whatever, but one of the greatest,
one of the best, who ever did it? I just
think it's overblown and people just toss around the idea
of who's great.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
How could you even consider him one of the greatest
whoever done it? He has a losing record two Pro Bowls.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I'll ask you, Rob G. Can you look this up?
Has he ever gotten one vote for MVP? I'm serious?
In all these years he played in national football, I
don't think he's gotten actually one vote.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
I wouldn't be surprised if he got maybe one one
of those years where he cars.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
But I'm if I was a betting man right now,
I say he's never gotten even one MV.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
That's possible.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
So here so Matthew Stafford is one of those guys that,
again we've talked about in other sports, Kyrie Irving. You
mentioned Paul George, but I'll go Kyrie Irving one time champ.
But because of circumstances, it's gonna be hard to explain
his full story.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
I give you another guy, but.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
At least Kyrie had like a big shot in a
big moment, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
We know Kyrie is Kyrie, but it's gonna be hard
because you'll name so many other guys you'll put above
him that if you didn't really see it, you'll be
hard to explained. Now, Matthew Stafford, I think why people
love him, Why he's your favorite quarterbacks, favorite quarterback or
quarterbacks of the past.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
They drool over him.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
Offensive coordinator Sean McVay while he was like, we're not
gonna ride with Jared Goff's young guy, he believes, like,
get out of here.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
We can get Matthew Stafford. The reason. There's a couple
of reasons why.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
And sometimes I think in anything you want to go
where it could be music, it could be movies, there's
an adoration that people have for somebody. Part of it
is their circumstances. And I think there's a lot of
people who look at Matthew Stafford, you know, the people
who study the game and know the game, they say, man,
if that guy was in place X or had the
same opportunities as Joe blow Man, what would he do?
(24:53):
He makes every throw and you know this, he his
arm angles and throws was ridiculous. He can throw a
ball up under overside ways, switch hand, left hand, no looks.
And he's big, he's strong, I mean, he's his big arm,
he's tough, he stays in games. And I think there's
a part of guys who watch him and say, man
if he was only in a Kyle Shanahan systems for
a decade, if he was only.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
With Andy Reid.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Andy Reid got Kevin Cobb, made Kevin Cobb look like
a thing. He brought Michael Vick from prison to the
comeback Player of the Year. Now that they mcnav stayed
in and it's Jimmy super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Who go to bad situations?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Okay, Michael Jordan went to the Chicago Bulls that had
a terrible organization. Go look it up before he showed up. Okay,
really bad. They didn't won anything. Yeah, and Reggie Theas
and all those guys. And that's all I'm saying. There
are plenty of guys. Peyton Manning went to Indianapolis. I
could go on and on and on. Not the best situation,
(25:50):
not the best circumstance. You can't always use that for everybody.
There are people who changed the organization. Joe Burrow. They
could not win a playoff game him in Cincinnati, right,
people were saying, don't go to Cincinnati, Joe Burrow. You
don't deserve that. You deserve better. And what did he
do with second year to come to the super Bowl.
(26:11):
That's what I'm trying to say is that he's That's why.
And Calvin Johnson and Domakan sue Nick fairly like they
had some players that are tough five defense to let
the year they lost to Dallas in the playoffs, go
look it up.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
You remember that year was throwing humans around, Nick fair
remember that. But that year they had a really good defense.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
So no, So the guys you named, I'm glad you
named them because Michael Jordan was just scoring a bunch
of pointless points until he got Phil Jackson. Peyton Manning
was just throwing a bunch of touchdowns till he got
Tony Dungee and they created a team. And that's the
point people who watched Matthew Stafford say, man, if only
he had a situation that And I'm just telling.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
You why people put him.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
That he had no control of anything. But this is
where I'm gonna push back. It ain't the minute he
got the team, because they.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Had already had successful, they had already gone to the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
And I'm gonna tell you this, and i want you
to go look it up.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
If the what's that kid's name, Sequsskey Tart or whatever
his name is, Kurosky Tart, if he catches that interception
and the and the Rams lose that game, Matthew like
his narrative about Matthew Stafford is night and day, because
(27:38):
it was right on Q. Matthew Stafford through a game
winning touchdown in the Super Bowl and didn't get the
Super Bowl MVP. You know why because he had two
interceptions in that game as well.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
And that's all I'm trying to tell you is that he's.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
One play away, one play from being garbage.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
One play we know we can one play it for
to death. We know that.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
I'm telling you going back to making the change. This
is why I disagree with you on this one. Matthew
Stafford came into an ow to sixteen team and he
didn't eli manning it. He didn't should do her. Maybe
I won't go play there. He didn't do any of that.
Matthew Stafford embrace and I remember, obviously I'm watching his
fan I'm like, who are we gonna drive? And they
kept saying this kid out of Georgia, kid out of Georgia.
(28:23):
Matthew Stafford's a guy, kid out of Georgia. Matthew Stafn's
a guy. I'm like, all right, And anytime they would
ask him, the Lions have been futrid. The Lions sucked,
The Lions aren't good. It's been a bad organization. Why
would you want to go there? Why would you want
to go there? He said, I want to be a
part of the change. And for the most part they
were a team you had to beat with him. They
made the postseason a few times with him. They wasn't
(28:44):
doing that before him, And you know that you were there.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
What do you mean they weren't doing that?
Speaker 6 (28:48):
There was a long period where the Lions sucked and
didn't even make the postseason for a long time before
Matthew Stafford got there.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
But this's so what I'm saying all the plu But
they were bad and they got a lot of great players.
Calvin Johnson, they had a first top pick for year
after year after.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
One of them is no longer winning, Charles Rogers. They
were just picking people receiver at receive, William They're picking receiver.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
And here's the other thing that doesn't bode well. Look
at the other guys, Matthew Stafford with the two Pro Bowls,
Derek Carr four, Andy Dalton three, Kirk Cousins four, and.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Every person.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
You tell me if I'm wrong, you would take Matthew
Stafford out of everybody you just named.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
No on that list would you take over?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And not at the time when they played, because there
were there's a lot of bad Matthew Stafford that I
was there every Sunday. I was there every Sunday. No, No,
you're doing it after the feeder. I'm it doesn't work
know in real time. No, it doesn't matter like Stafford.
You're looking at Matthew Stafford after Yes, you.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
Are, dude, Matthew Stafford has been he has been your
favorite and now analyst and and Nalys says, break down
quarterback of the quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
People love matt He threw a.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Ton of big interceptions again for us with the Lions,
Are you kidding?
Speaker 6 (30:05):
I was watching he has in one season ever because
his teams were down because they weren't great, and he
found a way to get them back. Yeah, eight comebacks
and win. You how players don't have that in their
tire fifteen.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
But the problem is there were situations where they could
have beat Green Bay. The last game of the season
at home, he has a terrible game. I could go
and document all these games. There's a reason that people
went along with that nickname stat Pafford because most of
his stats came late.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
They didn't come when the game was in flux.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
I saw too many come back I watched all these games.
He won games they shouldn't have won. And that's why,
like when they called him the cardiac Cats, because they
knew how to come back.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Look Matthew Stafford again.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
I think the benefit he has is people say, if
you put him in a winning situation, what happened? He
got to one and he won that situation the postseason
and in the postseason with Sean mcv I know he's
five five is what he is. And un fon and
people saw him all right, he made a horrible futriit
franchise solid, they weren't great. He made them solid and
(31:12):
competitive for so long and then he goes to it.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
They weren't competitive to me, I were They lost twenty
three twenty three straight road games when.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
The same Matthew Stafford that had them in the postseason
handful of times, but I know a time. Never those
years three times Matthew Stafford to go to the playoffs
all the time, Barry Sanders, Wayne Fons, they went every
other year.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
To the postseason.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
And that stopped at about ninety ninety eight, and we
ain't go back to about what twenty eleven.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Literally, I think that's what it was.
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