October 25, 2025 • 34 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether Shohei Ohtani’s 3-home run, 10 strikeout performance in Game 4 of the NLCS was all that impressive, applaud Roger Goodell for keeping international pop star Bad Bunny as the Super Bowl halftime performer and refusing to cow-tow to President Donald J. Trump, and argue whether Chauncey Billups’ involvement in the illegal poker and sports gambling scandals should be enough to get him kicked out of the Pro Basketball Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And we are gonna talk about show Hail Tany and
what transpired on Friday night, and uh, it's it's a combination.
I mean, obviously he had a tremendous game.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
War are we underselling this? Okay? No one's taking a
tremendous game.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
No, No, it's a tremendous game. But no one's taking
that away from him. But let me, let me, let
me sit down and let me explain to you.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Okay, you got so much plaining, not explaining, You got
so much plaining to do this.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
This is why people get caught up on this whole
idea of prisoner of the moment, because the prisoner of
the moment made it like shohe had done something that
nobody had ever done.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Okay, okay, and it's not true.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Okay, First of all people have hit three home runs
in a game. Reggie Jackson hit three home runs on
three pitches consecutive pitch by three different pictures in a
World Series game.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
An incredible feat. That's how I feel.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Here's the other part, so people I get it, he's
a unicorn. They're making it like, well nobody, Well, yeah,
we know, because only him and Babe Ruth have been
the only guys who are pitched right and hit home
runs at this kind of clip. There's only been two
guys since the twenties. But people keep going he's.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
The first guy.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Says, uh, of course he is, because nobody else has
ever done it.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
That's exactly what nobody else has done. It hit me out.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
You know, nobody else has ever done it before.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
It ain't impressive.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Bene Ruth was the last gal had the opportunity, so
one hundred years ago.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
But here's the part where they go they say the
three home runs, okay, even though Key k Hernandez had
three home runs in the game playoff game that didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's not like that never happened.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But then the whole thing is about, oh and he
struck out ten he struck out ten batters. He struck
out ten. I'm like, okay, that's good. But it wasn't
like he had shut down the mighty Milwaukee Brewers. And
here's the here's my issue. Blake Snell pitched eight innings
(02:57):
of unbelievable ball against them, Milwaukee Brewers. Yamamodo pitched a
complete game against the Milwaukee Brewers. They were dead on arrival.
Show Hay didn't do anything special. Everybody in their uncle
I could have pitched four schoolless innings against that team.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
They couldn't hit, they couldn't score any runs.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
So people are making it like he pitched a no
hitter and hit four home runs and on every yet.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Bad Listen, that's not what happened. That's not what happened.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
What he did pitching wise, was not that impressible against
this Milwaukee Brewers team.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You were screaming in a room by yourself. Nobody else is.
You are liking it insane or something a straight tag
no I swear. Listen to your no hold on, Alex,
I'm the camera on me.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Put the camera on. It ain't the greatest look at
the gold posts. It ain't like you hit four home runs.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
He it ain't like he pitched a shut out a
complete game.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Looking how far you he has to go for you?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
No?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
You anig?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Now he had to have four home runs, pitch all
nine innies, fourteen.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
K Hey, he's not the greatest player I ever played.
It's so premature, it really is.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
If you said that, I would be like, Okay, I
can disagree, but dostandna give you another example, because that's
what they tried to do with Mike Trout with the Angels,
that he.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Would Mike Trout. No, they did, no, they did when
he first came out. I agree, but I'm saying, Mike Trout,
ain't this.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
No, no, no, And then what happens. What I'm saying
is he's got a long way to go. We don't
know how long he's gonna branch this year. He betted
too eighty. He didn't even back three. He bettered to eighty.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
You gotta say it like he bat at one eighty.
No to stuff you're saying, you know, it's like really good.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
And here's the other thing too, I'm gonna say to you, Okay,
it wasn't the greatest performance I've ever seen in a
postseason game. And I'm not trying to be you are.
I'm done with this soliloquy.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Not a single person in America byes except you, rob
the man. Here's why. Let me also tell you why
it's remarkable. To be down in the dumpson in a slump.
Is what makes it incredible because you could continue down
that just never perform again. And it doesn't even need
to the teams carrying me, the starting pitchers carry me.
I can just ride this coasting on into the to
(05:18):
the postseason. Nope, he had had enough. The man said
the buck stops here. And what he did was say
home run. Oh, let me go put on my let
me take this off and go pitch real quick and
strikeout ten and hit another home run. And how you
were talking about hockey right now because we were talking
about earlier the maple leafs. The man hit a hat trick,
(05:38):
you ball, he did a turkey. And this is on
top of again, this is a seven hundred million dollar man.
Most people don't live up to the hype of things
like that. He comes to this team, he lives up
to it. Last year he's incredible VPCS and that's what
makes this remarkable.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
He put the snipe to it.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
And then you can sit up here and tell me, well,
the only person only two people have done it him
had been Ruth.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Well, then arguably the greatest player ever.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
You're telling me the only other person who does something
was the greatest player ever.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
No, but but he's but here isn't long enough for
you to consider him the greatest.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Player of all time. And that's what people were saying.
You are also the performance.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Don't be a prisoner of the moment. We've seen this before. No,
we have not Johnny koy Heizer, who is.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
You're even your senior. No, it was at that.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Game with Reggie Jackson, he said, I was at that
game when he hit three home runs.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
And you know what, this was even better, he.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Said, because I could go to Reggie Jackson and say, Reggie,
you know what you didn't do, and Reggie would say, pitch.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
The most important thing in baseball's pitching. Then the man
went out there and did ten strike, team strike.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
That's what I'm trying to tell you is the Dodgers
won the World Series last year without sho hail Tani.
He didn't pitch for them last year and he didn't
hit well. Would you agree with that they won us.
They won despite us. This year, they were three in
oh against the Brewers and he was batting one fifty
in the postseason.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
So again the Dodgers were rolling.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Without Sho hey O Tani and the pitchers who pitched
in games before he pitched actually pitched better than him,
because Blake SNeW went eight innings against the hapless Brewers.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
No, no, no, no, no, hapless Brewers. Now when they swept
the Dodge in the regular the best record in the
maze talking about now, I know what I'm saying. It's
a reason why they're happless now because they're going up
against greats and starting pitching.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
And then we and then we saw Y'ama motive pitched
a complete game, yes against Hey, how in the world
could he not do that against a team that obviously
went in the tank.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You not to stop it.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
The Milwaukee Brewers were the best team in baseball. I
swept the Dodgers. We need the pre and post game
for two of them games. And you sit there and
all of a sudden, they're the happless.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Woe was us? We just barely made it here.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Stop it ain't how he buying what you're selling right
now this week, then stop, they scored four runs. If
he beat the guy hisself, he literally beat him by himself. Rob,
one man. We always say one man can't beat the team. Well,
I don't know if you've been telling me that my
whole life, because you're wrong, because show hey just beat
the Brewers.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
It's okay, say it with me.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
No, it's that was the best performance, arguably in any sport,
not just baseball. I don't know what's the football equivalent.
Lamar Jackson strows for three fifty runs for two fifty
or Travis Hunter catches three touchdowns and three interceptions. Basketball
is in a fifty to twenty thirty and ten block game, Like,
what's the equivalent in any sport?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Stop it, Rob, You ain't nobody buying it. I'm trying
to tell you that you gotta look at it.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
This is five thousand dollars jacket a ross. You ain't
buying it either.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Who he found who he did the pitching against, which
is a dead Milwaukee bruise.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I'm being to show it you for a year and
you ain't never stuttered like this. You're dead to Brewers
for I read, Rob g you could have pitched four
complete inning.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
No, he couldn't because he's not play style. He's not
your momoto and he's not a tymoto. Had I pitched
nine squorps nine.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
You know Reggie Jackson's weight in Reggie Jackson has he
gave He gave.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Him prom You know, it wasn't a big deal.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
But Reggie Jackson say wow, double wow, and congratulations showy
for an incredible performance.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
All caps. That's major point.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Tip of the cap at a bow to you on
your performance.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
He did Reggie Jackson did was It wasn't the greatest,
SOB No, that was okay, fighting for your life over
there because Reggie turned in you what what what show?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Hey did? Somebody can do what Reggie did.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Nobody, absolutely nobody can do it. No, nobody else's pitching
and hitting three home runs.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
You're gonna have nobody, Yes, you was, You're gonna have more.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Have a kid do that. Three thousand and forty.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I got some stats for you, Rob, just to give
you an idea as to how common this was that show.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
You know how many.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Times it's like forty times twelve hitters have ever hit
three homers in a postseason game.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Twelve and only twenty six pitchers that ever recorded ten
plus strikeouts with two or less hits and no runs.
It's Key K then start Rob did both of those
things in one game. His Key K on that list,
K on the list.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Why do you keep bringing up three home runners if
that was it? Because that PK a pitch.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I want to know that Key k on Nannas hit
three home runs in the playoff game.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yes he did. What does that?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
He didn't Rob, he didn't build. But it tells you
that it's not a boden for a player like Key
to be on that Nobody is listening to you. You
don't believe it. This is what you werehearsting the mirror
at home. Once it happened, after you wipe the throw
up up your face, you were like.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Kenny, So he's not the best.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
But twenty seventeen, k went your three times in a
row in the playoff game and you know who else did?
Ten other people and he had seven RBIs Oh wow,
ten other people have done that, Rob, he just said, Wi.
Ten other people have hit three home runs three other
nobody else has done.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
What he did. Un Brewers were dead.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Ruers were the best team in baseball. Stoppers were dead
stop and say it with me. That was the best
thing I've ever seen. It's okay, rob It's okay. He's
the best player we've ever seen. And he's got another
five six years of greatness. Eight seven Who knows where
we're going next with this thing?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
nine nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Are you a prisoner of the moment? And you believe.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
That was the greatest moment in the history and he's
the greatest player whoever.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Laced him up? And all that other stuff. Yeah, are
you on that bandwagon? Or you being responsible to see smart?
Come on? And you believe that it was Seats taking
robson right here. It was a.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Tremendous game by Otani, but it wasn't the greatest of
all time. Eight seven seven ninety nine on Follow was.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
The one I saw Reggie Jackson who also said that
was the greatest he ever seen. That's not what he said.
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Speaker 5 (12:35):
Guys, this has been a talking boy for a few
weeks now, as you know, the NFL announced their halftime
perform for the upcoming Super Bowl, and they're calling it
a controversial choice. Bad Money, Puerto Rican international pop star superstar,
one of the most popular acts on the planet. The
problem is, according to some, he is also very vocal
(12:57):
about his distaste for President Donald Trump, specifically as it
relates to the ice rays that have happened throughout the country.
So President Trump has come out and said some stuff
about it. News pundits, social media pundits have all come
out and said, hey, you need to change this. This
is not a good look, this is not representative of America,
this is not good for the NFL. Well, Roger Goodell
(13:19):
came out today and forcefully backed jay Z and Bad
Bunny for the choice of jup Bowl halftime shows, saying, quote,
it's carefully thought through. I'm not sure we've ever selected
an artists where we didn't have some blowback of criticism.
It's pretty hard to do when you have literally hundreds
of millions of people that are watching. He Bad Bunny
is one of the leading and most popular entertainers in
(13:42):
the world. That's what we try to achieve. It's an
important stage for us, it's an important element to the
entertainment value.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
There you go and Bravo to the NFL, Bravo to
Roger Goodell. Okay because and this doesn't matter what political
sideron Okay, because who are you gonna pick? You know,
if you start doing this, then you're gonna have real issues.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Want you buckling on this?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You won't be able to pick anybody, okay, because they'll
feel like anytime there's somebody that they don't like or
there's an issue. And here's my problem with NFL America
and a lot of the fans who you noticed Kelvin
cried from the mountaintops, I don't want to achieve black
lives matter at NFL game.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I'm just here for football. I mentioned escape for me.
I don't want to see that. I missescapism.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I didn't hear those same people when they gave tributes
to Charlie Kirk. There was none of that. Where was
the outcry? Why are we doing this out of football game?
I'm not interested. People went to the mountaintops and said
he deser to have a right to voice his opinion.
I agree, everybody does, and so does bad Bunny. He's
(15:09):
not we're down with Donald Trumpet's fine. That doesn't mean
he can't perform at the super Bowl. If you don't
want to hear Bad Bunny, guess what. Turn your damn station,
change the channel, turn it down if you don't like
Bad Bunny's music or you don't like him.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
That's what we've all done. You know how many acts
at the.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Super Bowl that a lot of black people weren't interested in.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
And guess what their choice was.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Their choice was to either watch it or turn it
off and turn it back on when the game came on.
How dare people now they want to remove Bad Bunny
because he doesn't fall in line with what they want
to do the same thing. Oh, just dribble and play basketball, unless,
of course, you're an out kick, or you're some other
(16:03):
organization that has a different agenda and feels a different way,
then it's okay for them to talk about sports and politics,
but not for other people. Come on, dude, just be consistent.
And I applaud the NFL for just saying we're not
gonna open this can of worms. He was selected, We
(16:24):
went through the process, and just like Roger Goodell said,
whenever you have somebody like this, they're gonna be people
who like them who don't like them, and we just
we made a selection. And I'm glad that Bad Bunny
is going to perform at the super Bowl. I'm not
even a fan of Bad Bunny. I just think that
it's true. You know what you're a fan of. It's
standing almost right, standing on principal. And I gotta say,
(16:46):
teasing you a minute ago, I think your Tani takes crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
We disagree on so much. We have fun on this show.
But I got when you ain't wrong and you're right,
I gotta acknowledge that. And this is one of those things,
because this is this, this is where sometimes the hypocrisy
screams loud.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Give you an example.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Blue lives matter, Blue lives matter, Get that, absolutely okay,
But then when you storm the capitol and blues lives
are harmed, Oh well that not they don't matter because
you're trying to get your point across that you believe
the election was stolen, and so on and so forth.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
And now we're gonna kill cops.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Now cops can get beat up, get hit, and some
of them in the hurt took their own lives afterwards,
because all the trauma all of that. But I thought
it was Blue Lives Matter, and so it's the same
thing here. Free speech, free speech, well except for bad
Bunny who has an opinion about ice. And by the way,
there are several lawsuits this is the news me. Several lawsuits,
several controversies, several things that they are misconduct issues when
(17:43):
it comes to ice. You have whether it be states
like Governor Gavenusom in California who are saying, well, why
if they're ice, which is fine, why can't they show
their faces?
Speaker 4 (17:52):
What is so bad?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Police officers have to show their face. Other offers, FBI
right shows us what is this about ICE agents? They
don't have to show their face. So there's practices that
people are calling in the controversy when it comes ice,
meaning you can have an opinion on ice, it's okay.
And the idea that bad Bunny, well, I don't want
them to perform. He doesn't speak American. First of all,
speak English, doesn't speak American. First of all, Puerto Rican
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is a Puerto Rico is a territory of America, so
that's connected to America.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Let's also start there, people.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
He's not even American. And then to your point, of this.
No matter who I pick, If I'm jay Z, who's
running in Rock Nation? To Roger Goodell, It's gonna be
controversy someone And if I picked the who who had
it twenty some years ago, a lot of people black, white, Latino,
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I don't know who. Who is the who? And it's
not about anything, it's just I don't know. But a
lot of people. Absolutely who is an iconic band, but
a lot of people I don't know them. It was
a different time, it was a different era, and that's
part of why they brought in jay Z in the
Rock Nation was to bring it hipper. They were starting
to lose people have performers who wouldn't perform, who are huge,
who are like Na, this is too stilling old, so
(19:04):
now here we are. Last year they chose Kendrick Lamar.
Controversy surrounds that. People say, why I'm not watching it.
It's gonna be this, It's gonna be that. Guess what
broke a record the Kendrick Lamar performance. And I think
people forget this. Sometimes while you love the NFL and
you have your team's logo tattooed on you, it's still
a business and Bad Bunny is the most streamed artist
(19:27):
in the entire world period, And what do we talk
about every every rob G gives us the uh, here's
the news schedule of the season coming season?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
What are there?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
A bunch of universal games games, global games, the NFL,
the NBA, NFB trying to grow.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Who are stopping saying I'm not gonna watch the game
because it's in Europe.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
You're watching the game, people, some of you are buying
tickets in the NBA and NFL is trying to be
continued to grow it's audience and grow globally. And he
is a massive, massive, if not the most, the biggest
artists in the world globally, they're going to spread the game,
spreading out. So the idea again, if you don't want
to watch, you don't have to watch. But the NFL
knows it's gonna be controversy no matter who they pick,
(20:11):
and why not pick the most global, globally streamed artists
who has a massive fan base. By the way, a
large portion of our country speaks Spanish as well. Hello,
and let it be entertained and for twelve minutes of
your life you'll be okay.
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I think the bigger one was Chauncey Billups today, right,
I mean that was the a current NBA coach who
coached the night before's and handcuffs and that next morning
and the allegations are really bad about him, Rob g.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Yeah, not just the current NBA coach, because you know,
some people mightn't even know he coaches the cherylb Blazers.
They know him as mister big shot NBA champions in.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Detroit, Man all four teams, Chauncys.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Pillups, Phillips, Chauncey Billups, easily the biggest name associated with
all of this stuff. And let's get a quick refresher
course on what's being alleged here involving Chauncey Billups. Number one,
the one that he is listed in by name, involves
an alleged poker scheme where they were rigging games with
(21:58):
shuffle machines, X ray glasses of mark cards as a
way to get millions of dollars From what people they do.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
We're both shaking our heads, right, I mean, it sounds
like some Ocean thirteen stuff. Sounded like a movie script.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
And if you're on Twitter and you saw what these
X ray marked cards things, you're like, it can't be
that easy. Apparently it was. So that's number one, number two,
and this is one that people have inferred and figured out.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
On their own. In the Terry Rose year.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Indictment, Billups is not listed by name, but there is
a person described in the indictment that is a former
professional player who played from ninety seven to two thousand
and fourteen. What would that be, right, And that he
is a current NBA coach, that he is currently residing
in Oregon, and uh, you know, we'll see who that
(22:48):
is at a later and missed exactly what is this?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Uh Jeopardy must appost say who is Shauzi Billips?
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Exactly? And y'all giving me all the clues.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
In that portion of the Terry rose Yier allegations, it
mentions a person in Oregon who was relaying information to
betters that his team was tanking, that X, Y and
Z players would not be playing later this week, so
(23:19):
if you wanted to bet against us, now would be
the time to do it. This was all, of course,
before then your reports from a public so this was
insider information.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Unbelievable, unbelievable, and I gotta say this, Yeah, that is
just damaging, all of it, and even the builken of
people with the phony poker.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Games and rigged and all that.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
If all of this is true, I don't know how
you come back from this from the standpoint of being
involved in basketball, the way people feel about you despite
what you did on the field, you know what I mean.
And he earned all of that. He was a hell
of a player. I covered all that with the pistols.
He was tremendous. I mean, the MVP of the finals.
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They beat Shaq and Kobe and for future Hall of
famers call him alone, Gary Payton, I mean all of that.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
And in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
This pastt right, this past year, right, he was inducted
into the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, Massachusetts. Kelvin,
I don't know how you could do anything. And obviously
we say if convicted, so let's.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Leave that there.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
These are all allegations. No one's saying he's guilty and
should be thrown under the jail any of that.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
But he would have.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
To come out of the Hall of Fame if these
allegations are proved or he's convicted of these allegations. I
don't know if any other way how he could be involved,
for how you could honor him in this situation.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
That pays me to say.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
You mentioned that two thousand and three when he got there,
it was a two that ten year runner, give or
take he had. I was there, Like you said, I
used to work at WDFN, the sports station there. I was,
you know, just getting into my.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Career and I was there.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Names Yeah, I'm going in the game, setting up the
you know, the booth for our radio got the Rod
Parker and Kelvin Washington in the future. You know, I
can just sit there and learn and watch, and I
got to be around the game and the team, and dude,
that that run meant so much to me. He became
one of my all time favorite players, as you mentioned,
because he was great, he made all the big shots.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
That team was so fun and nig name was real
because he made He was a big.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Shot without a doubt, and he meant so much to
the city and that team. You were there, so it
paid me when I saw that this morning anchoring the
news my phone, and it sees his face, of all
the faces, just didn't feel like that would be the
face you would see.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Believe it? Could you? No, I'll be honest. You were there.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
There's nothing You didn't hear anything about Chunes except good dude,
this that, and again this is all alleged.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
We hope not, but as things are right now, to answer,
to go back to the point of the conversation, you
absolutely have to take somebody out the Hall of Fame
because if this were just rig poker games, as bad
as that is, that's separate from the NBA. That is
why we have federal investigators, criminal investigators, state investigators, all
(26:31):
these different type of investigators and police officers who can
handle that that is separate from the NBA, especially considered
you know, he's no longer a player, obviously.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
He's a coach.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
But you could say that's nothing to do with us,
because people get pulled over, people have other domestic violence,
people have substance abuse that people have personal live issues.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I agree to a certain extent.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I don't think you could look at him the same
way of cheating people out of money, knowing that the
games were rigged.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
And I know, I know. What I'm saying is I know,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Think that's pull you out to pull you out that
could have been kept you from getting in.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I'm not going to use that as pull you out.
I'm pulling you out.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I don't know, I don't know I feel good about
Chauncey Billups at all if I know that he was
a part of the mob and the mafia and they
had rigged games to build people out of money.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
I'm just being I'm.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Not no, no, I get your morale. I'm with you.
What I'm saying is the NBA. I have to go, like,
where do I draw the line that's nothing to do
with me, meaning the entity of the NBA.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
But according to that all right, So uh no, I
don't want to get into hypotheticals, but somebody could do.
But there's something heinous, and because it wasn't done during
because of basketball, you still would be okay with it.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
He should stay.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
What I'm saying is because if he presents a challenge
to where I draw the line, like someone who's in
the Hall of Fame right now, I, like you said,
I don't want to use a name player exits in
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Come to find out he beat his.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Wife pretty bad, and have come to find out does
it regularly?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Do you go in? Then? Now pull him out?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
You get what I mean that it becomes a slippery
slope when someone does something criminal and where do you
pull The reason why I would pull I would pull
him out is because this had something to do with
the NBA. If this what is alleged actually happened, because
you are telling guys, hey, I ain't playing him to night. Hey,
we're taking no. Hey, you might want to put some
money on us. We're gonna look bad tonight. Now, that
(28:29):
directly affects the integrity of the game, the trust of
the gang. Just as directing my business and our fans
that I'm pulling you out.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
But there's all that's But also in contracts as a
professional athlete, there are moral clauses in there that have
nothing to do with basketball, moral clauses on how that's
why I will fire you, on how you on how
you hand represent.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Yoursel Yes, and I will admire you for that.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Rob, I'm with you, I will say, and you're contract
states this you did X, You're fired again. Pulling you
out of the Hall of Fame becomes a very slippery slope.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
If it becomes to me, it's it's not slippery slope
if you're convicted of this and you look at where
the because it's a big scope, and I get it.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
You know, there's there's two different charges here.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Right Because I'm saying that you would be cool with
Chauncey if he just built people out of millions of
dollars with the mafia.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
You're saying you're cool with that interestate not me.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I'm saying no, no, I'm asking you.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
You're not absolutely not cool, but I'm none. I think
he should.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
But you're saying you wouldn't take him out of the
Hall of Fame if it was just that charge.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Is correct, Kelvin.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
If I'm Commissioner Washington, I disagree because what I'm saying
I would be disappointed. I wouldn't book him for events
blah blah blah blah blah. But it becomes a slippery slope.
Rob this person beat his wife, this person was selling dope.
This person frauded people out of money because he was
what you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
He was with n RON and he fraud of people. People.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Somebody killed themselves because they lost all their savings. And like,
where do I draw the line when.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
It becomes things that are away from the game, Because
the people.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
To draw the line as the behavior where you do
not hold yourself to a certain standard.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
So you're gonna go Parker, I'm not mad at you.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I hear that I would pull people out if they're convicted,
like like they couldn't pull O. J. Simpton because he
was acquitted, whether you agree or not, he was acquitted.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Okay, but then he was found guilty of the civils.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
You you know what I'm saying, So it becomes But that's
why I'm saying, I wouldn't want to have to become
the judge, jury and the executioner on every criminal thing
that someone's convicted, because I have thousands of people in
my Hall of Fame with you pick the league, and
every year someone duy car crash killed somebody, this person, it's.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I just don't know that.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
I mean, you say that, but I don't know if
it's that many people that you're making the case that
they have all these other skeletons and they're still I'm
just saying I would have to you would have to
give me some examples, because I'm not saying that there's
nobody and I'm not I'm talking about like they're there,
Uh just got into the Hall of Fame or whatever
(31:17):
they were in the Hall of Fame, they're alive and
they do something where they get arrested. As as an
NBA coach, you're you just coached the game the night before.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Get you get you get arrested.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, Lawrence Taylor, you and I both agree. You could
make a case he's the greatest football not just defensively period.
Brother had a while pass ain't nobody, ain't no secrets.
Something comes up now he back out on the street,
Michael Irvin wild pass.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Things happened?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Do I put him out because of the white House.
You remember, the White House is something you know he done,
went back to the White House. You know, again, this
is all hypothetical, just using example to go or with
rob do I then pull them out.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
You get what I'm saying. Like it, it becomes difficult.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
I think you have to look at the offense.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
What's happened.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Uh. If you're convicted of a crime, if you're sent
to prison, I think you have every right. If it's
he said, she said, and it's resolved and there's no criminal,
you know, time or whatever, Kelvin, then you have a
better argument. You mean to tell me in handcuffs that
Chauncey billups coach one night and the next night he
was in handcuffs, and now he gets convicted. We're just
(32:33):
talking about hypothetical, right, And you still think that him
being in the Hall of Fame is cool. I don't
know if that's cool anymore.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I'm not cool and I'm not happy.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
But I don't want to just start a slippery slope
where again I'm now becoming judging every single thing.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
I'd rather that's what that's what you do when you
put people in the Hall of Fame, you judge. But
I've already put them in. You judge them, but so right,
But now Rob, I.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Judge you to get in. Now I'm judging you. You
got in at twenty five, thirty five forty five. Now
I'm judging for the next thirty five, forty five fifty
you know, yeah, the whole life.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yes, yes, oh no, you are yes, you are yes. No,
Because if.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Somebody at all, somebody did a hand with, somebody did
a hainous crime, Calvin, you wouldn't have this argument. You
wouldn't and I could give you a horrible example, and
you wouldn't have this feeling.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
You wouldn't be.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Like, oh, well, well we put him in and I
know he just did this and he's going to jail
for for thirty years and it was really an awful
thing that happened, but we already put him in.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Really really, I'm just because now it's too subjective.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
What's the line you say this?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Someone else says that you say this, Well, I say,
if you got a duy and you hit somebody, that
should be It becomes too subjective. What is the line
that you would then draw? He beat his wife, Well,
I mean, I guess it's not a big deal.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
It was only one time.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Well, other people like, oh, that's domestic, but it you
get what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
This man kill dogs.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
No, but it's just dogs that weren't he was he
put in jail and confessing dogs.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
No, I'm talking about it. I'm saying. If I'm saying,
if I was, that it has to be to me
of that ilk like a conviction that would stop just
saying that became.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
And you can become convicted, and there's a lot of
things that would become slippery slopes if you open that
can of worms to the other side of that. Woul Chauncey,
if it is alleged that he was, you know, telling
people out the games and don't put the bet here.
I'm not playing him. We're taking here. Then now I'm
pulling you out
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And we are gonna talk about show Hail Tany and
what transpired on Friday night, and uh, it's it's a combination.
I mean, obviously he had a tremendous game.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
War are we underselling this? Okay? No one's taking a
tremendous game.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
No, No, it's a tremendous game. But no one's taking
that away from him. But let me, let me, let
me sit down and let me explain to you.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Okay, you got so much plaining, not explaining, You got
so much plaining to do this.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
This is why people get caught up on this whole
idea of prisoner of the moment, because the prisoner of
the moment made it like shohe had done something that
nobody had ever done.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Okay, okay, and it's not true.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Okay, First of all people have hit three home runs
in a game. Reggie Jackson hit three home runs on
three pitches consecutive pitch by three different pictures in a
World Series game.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
An incredible feat. That's how I feel.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Here's the other part, so people I get it, he's
a unicorn. They're making it like, well nobody, Well, yeah,
we know, because only him and Babe Ruth have been
the only guys who are pitched right and hit home
runs at this kind of clip. There's only been two
guys since the twenties. But people keep going he's.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
The first guy.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Says, uh, of course he is, because nobody else has
ever done it.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
That's exactly what nobody else has done. It hit me out.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
You know, nobody else has ever done it before.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
It ain't impressive.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Bene Ruth was the last gal had the opportunity, so
one hundred years ago.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
But here's the part where they go they say the
three home runs, okay, even though Key k Hernandez had
three home runs in the game playoff game that didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's not like that never happened.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But then the whole thing is about, oh and he
struck out ten he struck out ten batters. He struck
out ten. I'm like, okay, that's good. But it wasn't
like he had shut down the mighty Milwaukee Brewers. And
here's the here's my issue. Blake Snell pitched eight innings
(02:57):
of unbelievable ball against them, Milwaukee Brewers. Yamamodo pitched a
complete game against the Milwaukee Brewers. They were dead on arrival.
Show Hay didn't do anything special. Everybody in their uncle
I could have pitched four schoolless innings against that team.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
They couldn't hit, they couldn't score any runs.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
So people are making it like he pitched a no
hitter and hit four home runs and on every yet.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Bad Listen, that's not what happened. That's not what happened.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
What he did pitching wise, was not that impressible against
this Milwaukee Brewers team.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You were screaming in a room by yourself. Nobody else is.
You are liking it insane or something a straight tag
no I swear. Listen to your no hold on, Alex,
I'm the camera on me.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Put the camera on. It ain't the greatest look at
the gold posts. It ain't like you hit four home runs.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
He it ain't like he pitched a shut out a
complete game.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Looking how far you he has to go for you?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
No?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
You anig?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Now he had to have four home runs, pitch all
nine innies, fourteen.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
K Hey, he's not the greatest player I ever played.
It's so premature, it really is.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
If you said that, I would be like, Okay, I
can disagree, but dostandna give you another example, because that's
what they tried to do with Mike Trout with the Angels,
that he.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Would Mike Trout. No, they did, no, they did when
he first came out. I agree, but I'm saying, Mike Trout,
ain't this.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
No, no, no, And then what happens. What I'm saying
is he's got a long way to go. We don't
know how long he's gonna branch this year. He betted
too eighty. He didn't even back three. He bettered to eighty.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
You gotta say it like he bat at one eighty.
No to stuff you're saying, you know, it's like really good.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
And here's the other thing too, I'm gonna say to you, Okay,
it wasn't the greatest performance I've ever seen in a
postseason game. And I'm not trying to be you are.
I'm done with this soliloquy.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Not a single person in America byes except you, rob
the man. Here's why. Let me also tell you why
it's remarkable. To be down in the dumpson in a slump.
Is what makes it incredible because you could continue down
that just never perform again. And it doesn't even need
to the teams carrying me, the starting pitchers carry me.
I can just ride this coasting on into the to
(05:18):
the postseason. Nope, he had had enough. The man said
the buck stops here. And what he did was say
home run. Oh, let me go put on my let
me take this off and go pitch real quick and
strikeout ten and hit another home run. And how you
were talking about hockey right now because we were talking
about earlier the maple leafs. The man hit a hat trick,
(05:38):
you ball, he did a turkey. And this is on
top of again, this is a seven hundred million dollar man.
Most people don't live up to the hype of things
like that. He comes to this team, he lives up
to it. Last year he's incredible VPCS and that's what
makes this remarkable.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
He put the snipe to it.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
And then you can sit up here and tell me, well,
the only person only two people have done it him
had been Ruth.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Well, then arguably the greatest player ever.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
You're telling me the only other person who does something
was the greatest player ever.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
No, but but he's but here isn't long enough for
you to consider him the greatest.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Player of all time. And that's what people were saying.
You are also the performance.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Don't be a prisoner of the moment. We've seen this before. No,
we have not Johnny koy Heizer, who is.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
You're even your senior. No, it was at that.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Game with Reggie Jackson, he said, I was at that
game when he hit three home runs.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
And you know what, this was even better, he.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Said, because I could go to Reggie Jackson and say, Reggie,
you know what you didn't do, and Reggie would say, pitch.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
The most important thing in baseball's pitching. Then the man
went out there and did ten strike, team strike.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
That's what I'm trying to tell you is the Dodgers
won the World Series last year without sho hail Tani.
He didn't pitch for them last year and he didn't
hit well. Would you agree with that they won us.
They won despite us. This year, they were three in
oh against the Brewers and he was batting one fifty
in the postseason.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
So again the Dodgers were rolling.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Without Sho hey O Tani and the pitchers who pitched
in games before he pitched actually pitched better than him,
because Blake SNeW went eight innings against the hapless Brewers.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
No, no, no, no, no, hapless Brewers. Now when they swept
the Dodge in the regular the best record in the
maze talking about now, I know what I'm saying. It's
a reason why they're happless now because they're going up
against greats and starting pitching.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
And then we and then we saw Y'ama motive pitched
a complete game, yes against Hey, how in the world
could he not do that against a team that obviously
went in the tank.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You not to stop it.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
The Milwaukee Brewers were the best team in baseball. I
swept the Dodgers. We need the pre and post game
for two of them games. And you sit there and
all of a sudden, they're the happless.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Woe was us? We just barely made it here.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Stop it ain't how he buying what you're selling right
now this week, then stop, they scored four runs. If
he beat the guy hisself, he literally beat him by himself. Rob,
one man. We always say one man can't beat the team. Well,
I don't know if you've been telling me that my
whole life, because you're wrong, because show hey just beat
the Brewers.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
It's okay, say it with me.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
No, it's that was the best performance, arguably in any sport,
not just baseball. I don't know what's the football equivalent.
Lamar Jackson strows for three fifty runs for two fifty
or Travis Hunter catches three touchdowns and three interceptions. Basketball
is in a fifty to twenty thirty and ten block game, Like,
what's the equivalent in any sport?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Stop it, Rob, You ain't nobody buying it. I'm trying
to tell you that you gotta look at it.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
This is five thousand dollars jacket a ross. You ain't
buying it either.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Who he found who he did the pitching against, which
is a dead Milwaukee bruise.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I'm being to show it you for a year and
you ain't never stuttered like this. You're dead to Brewers
for I read, Rob g you could have pitched four
complete inning.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
No, he couldn't because he's not play style. He's not
your momoto and he's not a tymoto. Had I pitched
nine squorps nine.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
You know Reggie Jackson's weight in Reggie Jackson has he
gave He gave.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Him prom You know, it wasn't a big deal.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
But Reggie Jackson say wow, double wow, and congratulations showy
for an incredible performance.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
All caps. That's major point.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Tip of the cap at a bow to you on
your performance.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
He did Reggie Jackson did was It wasn't the greatest,
SOB No, that was okay, fighting for your life over
there because Reggie turned in you what what what show?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Hey did? Somebody can do what Reggie did.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Nobody, absolutely nobody can do it. No, nobody else's pitching
and hitting three home runs.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
You're gonna have nobody, Yes, you was, You're gonna have more.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Have a kid do that. Three thousand and forty.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I got some stats for you, Rob, just to give
you an idea as to how common this was that show.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
You know how many.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Times it's like forty times twelve hitters have ever hit
three homers in a postseason game.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Twelve and only twenty six pitchers that ever recorded ten
plus strikeouts with two or less hits and no runs.
It's Key K then start Rob did both of those
things in one game. His Key K on that list,
K on the list.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Why do you keep bringing up three home runners if
that was it? Because that PK a pitch.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I want to know that Key k on Nannas hit
three home runs in the playoff game.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yes he did. What does that?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
He didn't Rob, he didn't build. But it tells you
that it's not a boden for a player like Key
to be on that Nobody is listening to you. You
don't believe it. This is what you werehearsting the mirror
at home. Once it happened, after you wipe the throw
up up your face, you were like.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Kenny, So he's not the best.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
But twenty seventeen, k went your three times in a
row in the playoff game and you know who else did?
Ten other people and he had seven RBIs Oh wow,
ten other people have done that, Rob, he just said, Wi.
Ten other people have hit three home runs three other
nobody else has done.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
What he did. Un Brewers were dead.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Ruers were the best team in baseball. Stoppers were dead
stop and say it with me. That was the best
thing I've ever seen. It's okay, rob It's okay. He's
the best player we've ever seen. And he's got another
five six years of greatness. Eight seven Who knows where
we're going next with this thing?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
nine nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Are you a prisoner of the moment? And you believe.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
That was the greatest moment in the history and he's
the greatest player whoever.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Laced him up? And all that other stuff. Yeah, are
you on that bandwagon? Or you being responsible to see smart?
Come on? And you believe that it was Seats taking
robson right here. It was a.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Tremendous game by Otani, but it wasn't the greatest of
all time. Eight seven seven ninety nine on Follow was.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
The one I saw Reggie Jackson who also said that
was the greatest he ever seen. That's not what he said.
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(12:57):
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relates to the ice rays that have happened throughout the country.
So President Trump has come out and said some stuff
about it. News pundits, social media pundits have all come
out and said, hey, you need to change this. This
is not a good look, this is not representative of America,
this is not good for the NFL. Well, Roger Goodell
(13:19):
came out today and forcefully backed jay Z and Bad
Bunny for the choice of jup Bowl halftime shows, saying, quote,
it's carefully thought through. I'm not sure we've ever selected
an artists where we didn't have some blowback of criticism.
It's pretty hard to do when you have literally hundreds
of millions of people that are watching. He Bad Bunny
is one of the leading and most popular entertainers in
(13:42):
the world. That's what we try to achieve. It's an
important stage for us, it's an important element to the
entertainment value.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
There you go and Bravo to the NFL, Bravo to
Roger Goodell. Okay because and this doesn't matter what political
sideron Okay, because who are you gonna pick? You know,
if you start doing this, then you're gonna have real issues.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Want you buckling on this?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You won't be able to pick anybody, okay, because they'll
feel like anytime there's somebody that they don't like or
there's an issue. And here's my problem with NFL America
and a lot of the fans who you noticed Kelvin
cried from the mountaintops, I don't want to achieve black
lives matter at NFL game.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I'm just here for football. I mentioned escape for me.
I don't want to see that. I missescapism.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I didn't hear those same people when they gave tributes
to Charlie Kirk. There was none of that. Where was
the outcry? Why are we doing this out of football game?
I'm not interested. People went to the mountaintops and said
he deser to have a right to voice his opinion.
I agree, everybody does, and so does bad Bunny. He's
(15:09):
not we're down with Donald Trumpet's fine. That doesn't mean
he can't perform at the super Bowl. If you don't
want to hear Bad Bunny, guess what. Turn your damn station,
change the channel, turn it down if you don't like
Bad Bunny's music or you don't like him.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
That's what we've all done. You know how many acts
at the.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Super Bowl that a lot of black people weren't interested in.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
And guess what their choice was.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Their choice was to either watch it or turn it
off and turn it back on when the game came on.
How dare people now they want to remove Bad Bunny
because he doesn't fall in line with what they want
to do the same thing. Oh, just dribble and play basketball, unless,
of course, you're an out kick, or you're some other
(16:03):
organization that has a different agenda and feels a different way,
then it's okay for them to talk about sports and politics,
but not for other people. Come on, dude, just be consistent.
And I applaud the NFL for just saying we're not
gonna open this can of worms. He was selected, We
(16:24):
went through the process, and just like Roger Goodell said,
whenever you have somebody like this, they're gonna be people
who like them who don't like them, and we just
we made a selection. And I'm glad that Bad Bunny
is going to perform at the super Bowl. I'm not
even a fan of Bad Bunny. I just think that
it's true. You know what you're a fan of. It's
standing almost right, standing on principal. And I gotta say,
(16:46):
teasing you a minute ago, I think your Tani takes crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
We disagree on so much. We have fun on this show.
But I got when you ain't wrong and you're right,
I gotta acknowledge that. And this is one of those things,
because this is this, this is where sometimes the hypocrisy
screams loud.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Give you an example.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Blue lives matter, Blue lives matter, Get that, absolutely okay,
But then when you storm the capitol and blues lives
are harmed, Oh well that not they don't matter because
you're trying to get your point across that you believe
the election was stolen, and so on and so forth.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
And now we're gonna kill cops.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Now cops can get beat up, get hit, and some
of them in the hurt took their own lives afterwards,
because all the trauma all of that. But I thought
it was Blue Lives Matter, and so it's the same
thing here. Free speech, free speech, well except for bad
Bunny who has an opinion about ice. And by the way,
there are several lawsuits this is the news me. Several lawsuits,
several controversies, several things that they are misconduct issues when
(17:43):
it comes to ice. You have whether it be states
like Governor Gavenusom in California who are saying, well, why
if they're ice, which is fine, why can't they show
their faces?
Speaker 4 (17:52):
What is so bad?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Police officers have to show their face. Other offers, FBI
right shows us what is this about ICE agents? They
don't have to show their face. So there's practices that
people are calling in the controversy when it comes ice,
meaning you can have an opinion on ice, it's okay.
And the idea that bad Bunny, well, I don't want
them to perform. He doesn't speak American. First of all,
speak English, doesn't speak American. First of all, Puerto Rican
(18:15):
is a Puerto Rico is a territory of America, so
that's connected to America.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Let's also start there, people.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
He's not even American. And then to your point, of this.
No matter who I pick, If I'm jay Z, who's
running in Rock Nation? To Roger Goodell, It's gonna be
controversy someone And if I picked the who who had
it twenty some years ago, a lot of people black, white, Latino,
(18:42):
I don't know who. Who is the who? And it's
not about anything, it's just I don't know. But a
lot of people. Absolutely who is an iconic band, but
a lot of people I don't know them. It was
a different time, it was a different era, and that's
part of why they brought in jay Z in the
Rock Nation was to bring it hipper. They were starting
to lose people have performers who wouldn't perform, who are huge,
who are like Na, this is too stilling old, so
(19:04):
now here we are. Last year they chose Kendrick Lamar.
Controversy surrounds that. People say, why I'm not watching it.
It's gonna be this, It's gonna be that. Guess what
broke a record the Kendrick Lamar performance. And I think
people forget this. Sometimes while you love the NFL and
you have your team's logo tattooed on you, it's still
a business and Bad Bunny is the most streamed artist
(19:27):
in the entire world period, And what do we talk
about every every rob G gives us the uh, here's
the news schedule of the season coming season?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
What are there?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
A bunch of universal games games, global games, the NFL,
the NBA, NFB trying to grow.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Who are stopping saying I'm not gonna watch the game
because it's in Europe.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
You're watching the game, people, some of you are buying
tickets in the NBA and NFL is trying to be
continued to grow it's audience and grow globally. And he
is a massive, massive, if not the most, the biggest
artists in the world globally, they're going to spread the game,
spreading out. So the idea again, if you don't want
to watch, you don't have to watch. But the NFL
knows it's gonna be controversy no matter who they pick,
(20:11):
and why not pick the most global, globally streamed artists
who has a massive fan base. By the way, a
large portion of our country speaks Spanish as well. Hello,
and let it be entertained and for twelve minutes of
your life you'll be okay.
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I think the bigger one was Chauncey Billups today, right,
I mean that was the a current NBA coach who
coached the night before's and handcuffs and that next morning
and the allegations are really bad about him, Rob g.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Yeah, not just the current NBA coach, because you know,
some people mightn't even know he coaches the cherylb Blazers.
They know him as mister big shot NBA champions in.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Detroit, Man all four teams, Chauncys.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Pillups, Phillips, Chauncey Billups, easily the biggest name associated with
all of this stuff. And let's get a quick refresher
course on what's being alleged here involving Chauncey Billups. Number one,
the one that he is listed in by name, involves
an alleged poker scheme where they were rigging games with
(21:58):
shuffle machines, X ray glasses of mark cards as a
way to get millions of dollars From what people they do.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
We're both shaking our heads, right, I mean, it sounds
like some Ocean thirteen stuff. Sounded like a movie script.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
And if you're on Twitter and you saw what these
X ray marked cards things, you're like, it can't be
that easy. Apparently it was. So that's number one, number two,
and this is one that people have inferred and figured out.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
On their own. In the Terry Rose year.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Indictment, Billups is not listed by name, but there is
a person described in the indictment that is a former
professional player who played from ninety seven to two thousand
and fourteen. What would that be, right, And that he
is a current NBA coach, that he is currently residing
in Oregon, and uh, you know, we'll see who that
(22:48):
is at a later and missed exactly what is this?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Uh Jeopardy must appost say who is Shauzi Billips?
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Exactly? And y'all giving me all the clues.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
In that portion of the Terry rose Yier allegations, it
mentions a person in Oregon who was relaying information to
betters that his team was tanking, that X, Y and
Z players would not be playing later this week, so
(23:19):
if you wanted to bet against us, now would be
the time to do it. This was all, of course,
before then your reports from a public so this was
insider information.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Unbelievable, unbelievable, and I gotta say this, Yeah, that is
just damaging, all of it, and even the builken of
people with the phony poker.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Games and rigged and all that.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
If all of this is true, I don't know how
you come back from this from the standpoint of being
involved in basketball, the way people feel about you despite
what you did on the field, you know what I mean.
And he earned all of that. He was a hell
of a player. I covered all that with the pistols.
He was tremendous. I mean, the MVP of the finals.
(24:04):
They beat Shaq and Kobe and for future Hall of
famers call him alone, Gary Payton, I mean all of that.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
And in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
This pastt right, this past year, right, he was inducted
into the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, Massachusetts. Kelvin,
I don't know how you could do anything. And obviously
we say if convicted, so let's.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Leave that there.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
These are all allegations. No one's saying he's guilty and
should be thrown under the jail any of that.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
But he would have.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
To come out of the Hall of Fame if these
allegations are proved or he's convicted of these allegations. I
don't know if any other way how he could be involved,
for how you could honor him in this situation.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
That pays me to say.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
You mentioned that two thousand and three when he got there,
it was a two that ten year runner, give or
take he had. I was there, Like you said, I
used to work at WDFN, the sports station there. I was,
you know, just getting into my.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Career and I was there.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Names Yeah, I'm going in the game, setting up the
you know, the booth for our radio got the Rod
Parker and Kelvin Washington in the future. You know, I
can just sit there and learn and watch, and I
got to be around the game and the team, and dude,
that that run meant so much to me. He became
one of my all time favorite players, as you mentioned,
because he was great, he made all the big shots.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
That team was so fun and nig name was real
because he made He was a big.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Shot without a doubt, and he meant so much to
the city and that team. You were there, so it
paid me when I saw that this morning anchoring the
news my phone, and it sees his face, of all
the faces, just didn't feel like that would be the
face you would see.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Believe it? Could you? No, I'll be honest. You were there.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
There's nothing You didn't hear anything about Chunes except good dude,
this that, and again this is all alleged.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
We hope not, but as things are right now, to answer,
to go back to the point of the conversation, you
absolutely have to take somebody out the Hall of Fame
because if this were just rig poker games, as bad
as that is, that's separate from the NBA. That is
why we have federal investigators, criminal investigators, state investigators, all
(26:31):
these different type of investigators and police officers who can
handle that that is separate from the NBA, especially considered
you know, he's no longer a player, obviously.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
He's a coach.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
But you could say that's nothing to do with us,
because people get pulled over, people have other domestic violence,
people have substance abuse that people have personal live issues.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I agree to a certain extent.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I don't think you could look at him the same
way of cheating people out of money, knowing that the
games were rigged.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
And I know, I know. What I'm saying is I know,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Think that's pull you out to pull you out that
could have been kept you from getting in.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I'm not going to use that as pull you out.
I'm pulling you out.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I don't know, I don't know I feel good about
Chauncey Billups at all if I know that he was
a part of the mob and the mafia and they
had rigged games to build people out of money.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
I'm just being I'm.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Not no, no, I get your morale. I'm with you.
What I'm saying is the NBA. I have to go, like,
where do I draw the line that's nothing to do
with me, meaning the entity of the NBA.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
But according to that all right, So uh no, I
don't want to get into hypotheticals, but somebody could do.
But there's something heinous, and because it wasn't done during
because of basketball, you still would be okay with it.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
He should stay.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
What I'm saying is because if he presents a challenge
to where I draw the line, like someone who's in
the Hall of Fame right now, I, like you said,
I don't want to use a name player exits in
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Come to find out he beat his.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Wife pretty bad, and have come to find out does
it regularly?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Do you go in? Then? Now pull him out?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
You get what I mean that it becomes a slippery
slope when someone does something criminal and where do you
pull The reason why I would pull I would pull
him out is because this had something to do with
the NBA. If this what is alleged actually happened, because
you are telling guys, hey, I ain't playing him to night. Hey,
we're taking no. Hey, you might want to put some
money on us. We're gonna look bad tonight. Now, that
(28:29):
directly affects the integrity of the game, the trust of
the gang. Just as directing my business and our fans
that I'm pulling you out.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
But there's all that's But also in contracts as a
professional athlete, there are moral clauses in there that have
nothing to do with basketball, moral clauses on how that's
why I will fire you, on how you on how
you hand represent.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Yoursel Yes, and I will admire you for that.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Rob, I'm with you, I will say, and you're contract
states this you did X, You're fired again. Pulling you
out of the Hall of Fame becomes a very slippery slope.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
If it becomes to me, it's it's not slippery slope
if you're convicted of this and you look at where
the because it's a big scope, and I get it.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
You know, there's there's two different charges here.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Right Because I'm saying that you would be cool with
Chauncey if he just built people out of millions of
dollars with the mafia.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
You're saying you're cool with that interestate not me.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I'm saying no, no, I'm asking you.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
You're not absolutely not cool, but I'm none. I think
he should.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
But you're saying you wouldn't take him out of the
Hall of Fame if it was just that charge.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Is correct, Kelvin.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
If I'm Commissioner Washington, I disagree because what I'm saying
I would be disappointed. I wouldn't book him for events
blah blah blah blah blah. But it becomes a slippery slope.
Rob this person beat his wife, this person was selling dope.
This person frauded people out of money because he was
what you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
He was with n RON and he fraud of people. People.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Somebody killed themselves because they lost all their savings. And like,
where do I draw the line when.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
It becomes things that are away from the game, Because
the people.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
To draw the line as the behavior where you do
not hold yourself to a certain standard.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
So you're gonna go Parker, I'm not mad at you.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I hear that I would pull people out if they're convicted,
like like they couldn't pull O. J. Simpton because he
was acquitted, whether you agree or not, he was acquitted.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Okay, but then he was found guilty of the civils.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
You you know what I'm saying, So it becomes But that's
why I'm saying, I wouldn't want to have to become
the judge, jury and the executioner on every criminal thing
that someone's convicted, because I have thousands of people in
my Hall of Fame with you pick the league, and
every year someone duy car crash killed somebody, this person, it's.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I just don't know that.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
I mean, you say that, but I don't know if
it's that many people that you're making the case that
they have all these other skeletons and they're still I'm
just saying I would have to you would have to
give me some examples, because I'm not saying that there's
nobody and I'm not I'm talking about like they're there,
Uh just got into the Hall of Fame or whatever
(31:17):
they were in the Hall of Fame, they're alive and
they do something where they get arrested. As as an
NBA coach, you're you just coached the game the night before.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Get you get you get arrested.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, Lawrence Taylor, you and I both agree. You could
make a case he's the greatest football not just defensively period.
Brother had a while pass ain't nobody, ain't no secrets.
Something comes up now he back out on the street,
Michael Irvin wild pass.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Things happened?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Do I put him out because of the white House.
You remember, the White House is something you know he done,
went back to the White House. You know, again, this
is all hypothetical, just using example to go or with
rob do I then pull them out.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
You get what I'm saying. Like it, it becomes difficult.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
I think you have to look at the offense.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
What's happened.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Uh. If you're convicted of a crime, if you're sent
to prison, I think you have every right. If it's
he said, she said, and it's resolved and there's no criminal,
you know, time or whatever, Kelvin, then you have a
better argument. You mean to tell me in handcuffs that
Chauncey billups coach one night and the next night he
was in handcuffs, and now he gets convicted. We're just
(32:33):
talking about hypothetical, right, And you still think that him
being in the Hall of Fame is cool. I don't
know if that's cool anymore.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I'm not cool and I'm not happy.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
But I don't want to just start a slippery slope
where again I'm now becoming judging every single thing.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
I'd rather that's what that's what you do when you
put people in the Hall of Fame, you judge. But
I've already put them in. You judge them, but so right,
But now Rob, I.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Judge you to get in. Now I'm judging you. You
got in at twenty five, thirty five forty five. Now
I'm judging for the next thirty five, forty five fifty
you know, yeah, the whole life.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yes, yes, oh no, you are yes, you are yes. No,
Because if.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Somebody at all, somebody did a hand with, somebody did
a hainous crime, Calvin, you wouldn't have this argument. You
wouldn't and I could give you a horrible example, and
you wouldn't have this feeling.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
You wouldn't be.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Like, oh, well, well we put him in and I
know he just did this and he's going to jail
for for thirty years and it was really an awful
thing that happened, but we already put him in.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Really really, I'm just because now it's too subjective.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
What's the line you say this?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Someone else says that you say this, Well, I say,
if you got a duy and you hit somebody, that
should be It becomes too subjective. What is the line
that you would then draw? He beat his wife, Well,
I mean, I guess it's not a big deal.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
It was only one time.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Well, other people like, oh, that's domestic, but it you
get what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
This man kill dogs.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
No, but it's just dogs that weren't he was he
put in jail and confessing dogs.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
No, I'm talking about it. I'm saying. If I'm saying,
if I was, that it has to be to me
of that ilk like a conviction that would stop just
saying that became.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
And you can become convicted, and there's a lot of
things that would become slippery slopes if you open that
can of worms to the other side of that. Woul Chauncey,
if it is alleged that he was, you know, telling
people out the games and don't put the bet here.
I'm not playing him. We're taking here. Then now I'm
pulling you out
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