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s R. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Happy New Year, everybody.
It's Jason McIntyre and Rob Parker in for Dan Patrick
and the Danettes this morning on The Dan Patrick Show.

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Rob Parker, how was your New Year? Very good? Jason
Howard bout Chew, everything was. Yeah. I had had the
kids and the kids stay up. Actually no, the wife
and kids left me. They went east to visit my families. Yeah,
so I was flying solo, got a haul pass. So
you were doing I can't imagine what we're doing then,
with the family out of town, living it up. I

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was preparing for the Colin Cowherd Show. I hosted that yesterday.
This morning, You and I Dan Patrick, Rob Parker, we
never stopped grinding. No, no, no, I've always been a
grinder my whole life. Yeah, it's all about work, right
at work, work, work, work, work, So It is great
to be on the Dan Patrick's show. It is once again. Yeah,
so a lot of news today. January second, and there's

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already a ton going on in the sports world. Um, Rob,
did you watch any Bowl games yesterday? Oh? Yeah, bits
and pieces, Yeah, bits and pieces. I did. It didn't
have the same gravitas that it did, say ten fifteen years,
we already know they've killed it because TV killed the
Bowl game. Yeah, just too many Bowl games. It's not special.

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January first. I hate to sound like, hey, you kids,
get off my long guy, but you know what I mean.
It doesn't have the same field. It's just way too
many Bowl games. I always say it's like this. It's like,
you know, you love ice cream, right, and then all
of a sudden you start working at the ice cream factory.
Guess what you don't like. I don't like ice cream,
as you just don't. It's funny. I watched some players

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for Alabama suit up yesterday and it was a bit surprised.
Jerry Judy, he's gonna be a top ten pick, top
fifteen pick. He's playing. He killed Michigan. And then, uh,
you know, the telecast starts talking about two A tongue
of Valoa. Zuti, the Alabama quarterback who I have enjoyed
watching greatly at Alabama and I wish him well in

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the NFL. And then the broadcast talks about there's a
chance too is gonna return to Alabama for one more year,
and I'm like, this is a joke. Great, what are
these guys doing. What are they promote? Trying to promote
Alabama college football? That's what they do, you know, That's
what it's all about, telling these kids they should come back.
He already got hurt in college. You want to come

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back to twice and get what you want to get
hurt again? And if you if you're gonna be drafted
and you have a situation where someone is going to
take you and you have nothing else to prove, I
don't understand why you would even think about going back.
And I think after Nick Saban said something about his

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decision to or tweet it right, that he gave the
date that he would make an announcement, unbelievable that he's
even got to think about this or make an announcement right.
I feel like Rob, it's medium malpractice to advise to
or say, hey, maybe he should return to school. There
is a litany of reasons that twas should never set
foot on the Alabama campus again, unless it's in the

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summer and unless they get his degree. And you know what,
here's another one perfect example. During the bowl games. Guys
who sit out who know they're going to be drafted
in the NFL, Right, why would you play? I'm not
talking about a National championship game, but if you're playing
in some meaningless bowl game, which is ninety eight, yeah,
why would you play? I wouldn't play that. There's you

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gain nothing. And we've seen guys get their knees torn
up or get hurt or injured playing in a meaningless
bowl game before they have a chance to be drafted.
So I'm totally with once you know your stock is
set and you're going to be drafted, you get out
of that. If I'd go, I didn't want to play
in a national championship game, I'd have a problem with that.

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The idea that, yeah, one hundred percent, the idea that
Tua might have lost twenty million dollars because of this
hip injury is total balderdash. There's just people are just
throwing out numbers that don't make sense. Rob this idea
that TA could fall to twenty or twenty fifth in
the draft. I guess nobody watches the NFL, do they
do they realize how bad some of these quarterbacks are

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in the league. This is unbelievable, the medium maupractice that
these guys are doing, saying, well, twas should stay, No,
he shouldn't. This is an open and shut decision. Rob Parker. Well,
here's some sound from TWA back in early December. Let's
take a listen. You think of risk reward on you know,

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coming back. You think of risk reward on leaving when
I kind of look at it, I look at it.
If I come back, the risk is, you know, what
if I get hurt again. But the reward could be,
you know, maybe I jump back to the top of
the charts, you know, on the boards, you know, for
all these teams. Now you look at the other side
of the spectrum. If I leave, all the risk is
do I still go in the first round or you know,

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do I even make it to the second round. These
guys don't even know, you know, if I can play
with you know, the hip injury, yeah too. And then
you know, i'd say the reward and all of that
is you know, yeah, I'll be getting paid millions, but
I mean a lot of the money that I could
have made. You can't make that money up now, you know.
And so that'd be me leaving money on the table.

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But then at the same time, I still gotta talk,
you know, with my family about all of this. See
what they're input is and you know, now is not
the time to be making emotional decisions. But now you've
got to change into thinking as a businessman. You know,
you got to make business decisions. And it's just going
to be a business decision we'd have to make as
a family. But my parents would tell you, you you know,

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it end up coming down to my decision. That was
an interview he had with ESPN back in over Who's
telling him this stuff? Okay, so let's cue to here,
Like how old is hee? He's talking about leaving money
on the table, money on That is a false narrative.
There's no money being left on the table. So let
me just start here. Okay, last year, do you remember

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running being left on the table? Was you had a
guarantee contract you opt out of it, Yeah, that's money.
And then and then something happened. Colin Kaepernick had a
contract he said, I'm out. I want to test the
market that's leaving money on the table. Okay, So let's
go back to last year. Justin Herbert was the Oregon quarterback. Okay,
very good player. He's a top ten pick. Okay, he's
not going one. It was gonna be Darnold or Baker,

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but without question, Justin Herbert was gonna be a top
ten pick. Justin Herbert says, I want to stay at Oregon.
I want to win a national title and improve my
draft stock. Justin Herbert got passed, okay by Joe Burrow.
Nobody had heard of Joe Burrow last year. Two. One
needs to understand that every year in this draft process.
You know, the NFL is obsessed with shiny new things. Okay,

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the latest, the newest. Yeah, you've been around for twenty
five games. People have watched you. That's great. But the
new guy, oh my gosh, he's so oh the upside,
you know, we don't listen the kid who's quarterbacking Ohio
State Justin Fields. Okay, he was an awesome freshman with Georgia,
barely played this year with Ohio State. He looked incredible.

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How do we know he's not gonna make a jump
and do even better next year. Well, the idea that
Tua could improve his stock and get better, he ain't
going ahead of Trevor Lawrence. Let's just end that nonsense
right now. Trevor Lawrence is one hundred percent, assuming he's
breathing next year, the number one pick in the draft
in twenty twenty one, that's a lock. Two is not

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passing him. Well unless he gets hurt, right, No, no, no,
even with an injury, that guy, the potential of him,
I guess. But I'm just say, And you don't know
what kind of injury he could have that that would
make it. He would have to be I just said,
barring it, like he's out for a year or two. Yeah,
that's all barring an injury. I agree with you. Uh,
it is um interesting that it would really be. I'm

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with you, like like he's really contemplating this, Like maybe
he's trying to just hold his cards close, but he
probably made up his decision that he's gonna leave. I
would hope so. And now listen, Nick, just Nick Saban
gets involved here. We know the history of Nick Saban
and his players, right, he grinds them to the bone
in college gets everything out of them, and then Rob,

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they go to the NFL and what happens They underperform.
All This happens to a lot of Alabama guys, man.
I mean you could start with Trent Richardson. Okay, he
looked at the Trent Richardson carries and what Saban did
to him and all the defensive guys. They had great
college careers. Rob, they get to the NFL, this doesn't
look like the same guy. Yeah, because you were grinding

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him to the bone at Alabama so you could win
national titles. Uh. And that's Nick Saban's job as a
college football coach, right. He ain't worried about it. He
didn't know about it. He don't care about tours outside exactly. Yeah.
He trited him out there when they were up by
thirty plus points and then TWA gets his hip all
torn up, and you gotta that's a situation there where,

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even with the you gotta be careful because shouldn't you
speak up for yourself and be like, why am I
going back in the game. We're up thirty, do you
know what I mean? Like, like, and a game that
was over, game is at half time, and you wonder
why he's even out there. We've seen it happen where
coaches lose sight of that when a game is has

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already settled, that's all already set. Yeah, I just it
worries me when people start saying, tah he could slide.
That is complete and utter nonsense. Okay, look at the
time I did a Fox Sports has me do a
mock draft for the NFL because people love it, and
I'm a geek about the draft. Tua is without question
the second or third best quarterback prospect in this draft.

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There's Burrow, there's Justin Herbert, and there's Tua. And I
have heard toua be compared to if he's healthy, his
high upside, his IQ. He's a left handed Drew Brees
at his ceiling, at his absolute ceiling. That's what Ta
can be. Would you agree that he's a huge upside guy? Well,
it looks like that. I just always you see in

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college to a lot of great college quarterbacks who don't
pan out, you know what I mean. I'm not saying
he's going to be one of those guys. And with
the injury, I don't know, but I could see why
somebody would want to take a chance on a guy
who when he was healthy and you looked at his talent,
I'm with you, sir, you would say, Wow, this guy
is I can't miss. He looks like that kind of player.

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But we've seen so many guys and so do I
doubt that someone would take a chance on him from
his resume. No, I don't doubt. And let's not even heard.
Let's not forget Rob, that the NFL clock. You want
to get to the league as quick as possible so
you can get that second big contract. Rookie contracts are capped.
You're slided in your second contract, that's the big one.

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That's what you play for. Why risk another year of
injury in college? Why not just get the clock started?
And Rob, don't even get me started on this last note.
That nobody's talking about an NFL work stoppage in twenty
twenty one. There's a good chance that happens. Google work
stoppage NFL twenty one. The players are fighting for a
lot of stuff, and they have to because they've been

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taken to the woodshed so often in negotiations. If they
don't stand up for themselves this time, you know what
I mean, Like like they've never had the solidarity to
really fight the owners. And that's why the owners have
such an advantage over the players in the NFL, not
in other leagues, but in the NFL. And this is
the one that they finally have to fight, especially when

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you talk about healthcare and different stuff. So I think
that there is definitely a chance that there could be
a works two. We're fans of his work, right, I'm
a big fan. Yeah, I enjoy watching him. To listen,
you haven't asked us not to lie? Exactly what is
there not to lie? If he's asking us for advice?
And you know me, I can find something, I'm telling
you in this case, I can't Yeah to a run,

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don't walk to the NFL? All right? Coming up next
here on the Dan Patrick Show, he's Rob Parker. I'm
Jason McIntyre. All right, So, um, you know Rob and
I we've done this show together a bunch of times
now and we love to go back and forth and
get heated and it's fun. Um. Rob has a theory
on Jim Harball that I just I need to set

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him straight about because you know, Rob, I'm sorry, buddy,
you're wrong. We'll talk about that next. Jim Harball here
On The Dan Patrick Show. I'm Jason McIntyre, He's Rob Parker.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
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iHeartRadio app. I'm concerned for Rob Parker. On Jim Harball,

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I'm just gonna start right there. I Rob park Parker, hater,
hater in the house, the house. When you get paid
top dollar to change an organization of a football program
and you don't deliver, then people should call you out. Okay,
Jim Harball was anybody else, anybody else, not a Michigan man,

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not the god former quarterback for the wolver Rains and
all the other stuff. Anybody else would have been run
out of an harbor by now anybody else. All right,
let's back up. The Dan Patrick Show is brought to
you by Mercedes AMG Driving Performance. I'm Jason McIntyre. He's
Rob Parker, and um let's Rob back up. And you
said don't deliver, okay. Jim Harball has been in ann

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Harbor for five seasons. He has three ten win season
against Tell me, tell me what is delivering oh he's
oh in five against Ohio State rival oh in five,
one in ten as an underdog, so that means he
never upsets anybody. When he's supposed to lose, he loses.

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He's four and nine against his rivals. They're now one
and four in bowl games, including losing four straight straight. Okay,
Tyler Lloyd Carr for the second most and UH in
Michigan history, and he's one shy of the school record
of five consecutive Bowl losses by Boschem Beckler from nineteen
seventy five to nineteen seventy nine. When he came to Michigan,

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he came there with the idea that they were going
he was going to turn around the program, get them
back in the hunt. They've not been in close to
make it into the final four and the and the
Bowl playoff. Right, That's what Jim Harball was supposed to do.
Brady Holk was that Brady Holk had the same resume
I just read off. He would have been run out

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on the rail way before five US run out. Because
guess how many top ten win seasons Brady Hoke had
but no one but Jim Harmo's had three. This is name.
Here's the Utilian. Here's the other one. No, it's not.
My point is that he was supposed to be better
than that. No, winning ten games against nobody. He beats

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the nobody. He's in the big ten. Last year at right,
Ryan Day, everybody was like, okay, Urban Meyers finally gone
from Ohio State. Ohio State comes to Michigan, to the
big House and gets run out of their own jim
by by Ryan Day, the first year coach Day Ohio
da Urban Myers players. The year before Michigan was having

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a better season and they went to Ohio State and
they got their hats handed tool. That's undeniable. Can't hear
that Ohio State losses. Here's the other part, all right.
The top four highest paid coaches yep, Dabbo Sweeties nine million,
nine point three Dynasty, Nick Saban eight point seven Okay, okay,

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right championships, Jim Harball seven point five zero, Jimbo Fisher
seven point five. He's won a national championship. But I'm
just saying my point is everybody up there with the
big Cheese has won a national championship except for Jim
Hark number five, Kirby Smart six point eight million. No titles.
I'm giving you the top four here he's involved in.

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All I'm saying is they've all won except for Jim
Harball getting paid off for reputation of being this great
coach even when he was in San Francisco. They didn't
win the Super Bowl. And I'm not saying he's not
a good coach, but he hasn't won the big game
in Michigan, Ann Arbor. For people to accept this by
Jim Harbaugh, that they're o and five against their their

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arch rival in Ohio State is unbelievable. And the other stat,
Rob g do you remember what was it um against
top fifteen teams against top fifteen teams on the road,
they're like oh and sixteen, including oh and ten by
Jim Harbaugh. So they don't they don't beat anybody. That's
That's just my point here. He reminds me of a

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pizza delivery guy who doesn't deliver and makes too much dough.
That's what Jim Harbaugh is. Wow. Rob Parker going in
on Jim Harball. All right, let's back up a little bit.
So you said he didn't win the big game in
San Francisco. He lost in the Super Bowl. I'm counting here. Okay,
this is how many years without the playoffs the forty
nine ers had before Jim Harball got there. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

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Eight years for the forty nine ers, no playoffs. Jim
Harball arrives, arrives thirteen and three, eleven and four, twelve
and four. Okay, Jim Harball one. He's a winner. He
just stopped you. The forty nine ers didn't nothing for
eight years. Not about that. It's not about you. Gotta
finish the job with Marve Leevie. Marve Leevie never won

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a Super Marve leivieso a loser. He's a bum. He
went to four straight. He has a dubious distinction. He's
an all time dreight coach. Here's my point. No, didn't. No,
you need to stop that. No one ever mentions Marve
Leevie as an all time great coach because he never one.
If you they don't, they don't tell me you wouldn't
name him. If I asked you to name me the
top five coaches in the history of the NFL, well

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not to Why not not top five? He went the
four Super Bowls. He's a great coach. He's probably top
twelve top ten twelve coaches, and he went the four
straight Super Bowl. Nobody's done that. Why don't you consider him? Okay,
because he hasn't won. With your argument for Dak Prescott,
you love that he's available, he never gets hurt, he's

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always you know when we were on Undisputed, you love
Dak and his availability? Is that not Chris Bussar, Rob Ge,
please tell him, I'm not a Dak guy. Dak doesn't win.
He has he doesn't win. Okay, So my argument with
Dak was he's not a great quarterback. Okay, with Marv
Levy and Jim Harbor, they are great, these guys if

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you so. What so, Rob basically for you is if
you're not first placed your last is that your argument? No,
that at some point during your career you gotta win
the big game. That's my point to be considered amongst
the greats. The reason you don't mention Jim Kelly as
as an all time great quarterback because no, no, you
don't time in the history of NFL so about winning.

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Winning does matter. You can't tell me that. And that's
what I'm saying. Jim Harball was brought there to get
them in not to talk about Michigan's relevant again. Michigan
has been doing the same thing forever. This storied franchise,
storied program, has one national championship nineteen ninety seven, which
was shared back before the SEC mattered. The SEC was

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not a factor in ninety seven National Bechler. They got
a statue of him. He never won a national championship.
But okay, so Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl,
wid nobody considers him the greatest quarterback. NFL just did
the top ten quarterbacks all time. Dan Marino's in there.
Troy Aikman's not. He's got a bunch of Super bowls.
Dan Marino's considered a better quarterback by these NFL panels,

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mostly because he had that season back then, and I
give him credit way through for five thousand yards when
people weren't throwing for that amount of yards. So Dan
Marino was a great quarterback. But I'm telling you, winning
does matter. Does has won. He's one. He's has three
ten win seasons. That's more old one he has. Jim
Harball has three ten win seasons in five years in Michigan.

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His two predecessors, Brady Hoke and Rich Rodriguez, had one
ten win season. He's winning the timeout rop timeout. I
let you bast Jim Harbaugh. Okay, Jim Harba was won
more than the two previous coaches, Brady Hoke and Rich Rod.
If you think Jim Harball is not a winner and
he's a bum and you want to kick him to
the curb, fine, but just know you're gonna be replacing

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him with somebody like Brady Hooker Rich Rod, who won
way less than Jim Harbaugh. I just I just think
that the standards for where people are at Michigan is ridiculous.
You didn't pay him to be the third highest paid
coach to have ten straight losses versus top fifteen teams
on the road. He can't beat anybody. Where's the big

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upset of going last year to Ohio State, right and
winning that? Okay, they'll tell me that that there's no
way people thought they were and not only did they
lose Ohio State, hola sixty hung sixty on that laws
embarrassing beat down. Okay, that's Jrball still wins ten games,
and that the par The old barometer used to be

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get you a Bowl game, but now there's fifty Bowl
games or whatever. Who cares. Ten win seasons is a
really good benchmark for a coach, and Jim Harball's delivered.
I realize, why are they paying him seven point five million.
I'll tell you why, Rob, Because Michigan's desperate for relevance.
And guess what Jim Harball's brought them relevance. They are
on the Game of the Week on Fox every week.

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They have the Jordan brand. The Michigan brand is stronger
thanks to Jim Harball. If you want to toss all
that in the can, just so some guy can come
in here and beat Ohio State, about the damn dude,
how about getting into the National Championship playoff? How about that?
That's what I would be. I want michigan sposal this
program and they accept uh. And how about if he

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just wins the Big ten for change? How about that
also would be nice? I mean five years seriously, Ryan
Day just showed up. He had a cup of coffee
in the sweet role he's ding with. It's not automatic.
It's not automatic all the time when you get a
new coach in so all I'm saying is he came along.
Everybody thought that Jim Harball was gonna run the Big
ten now that now that the Urban Meyer left and

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went to Fox, that was what the talk was, and
it didn't happen. That's all I'm saying. I will say
Jim Harball is a great coach. He has had a
very good run at Michigan, but he has not he
has not delivered in the big game. That's fair. But
but but okay, so no, I don't mean so you
say he sucks and they should fire him. Is that
what you're saying. I don't believe he deserves any of

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the money he's getting paid, the level of money he's
getting paid because he hasn't delivered for them. And if
I was Michigan, I would take a look. I don't
know what his contract status is. I'm just saying Jim
Harball hasn't gotten a job. So if you want to
bounce Jim Harball, you gotta come with a name You're
gonna of course, you have to do that, you know,
you gotta. You gotta have take a look at that.

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I'm not a college football guy. It might be somebody
out there who can get them to the next level.
Just hates Jim Hardin. I don't hate saying he's overpaid.
I don't even know him like that. I don't know
him to say. I'm just saying. Jim Harball has three
ten win seasons. He's done a very good job. He
has not won the big game. Needs to win more so.
Coming up next here on the Dan Patrick Show. Joining

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us right now actually is Dan Wilkin, who knows a
little bit about college football more than maybe he can
give you a name, Rob. But Dan Wilkin USA today
he was I believe it the Rose Bowl yesterday. Dan,
No playoff focused at this playoff focus, Yeah, because that's
what matters obviously. All Right, Dan, you heard Rob bashing
Jim Harden. Let's here, let's hear Dan Wilkins thoughts are

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Jim Harball? Um and listen, Dan, do you want to
getting fired? Do you want it out of town? Out
of ann Arbor? Well? I think Michigan should be careful
what they wish for about Jim Harball because the program
overall is way better than it's been at any time
since the Lloyd Carr era, and a lot of things

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in college football have changed since then, and the reality
for Michigan in twenty twenty is that it's it's not
an elite program. It's a very good program. It's a
place you can win, But the amount of recruiting you
have to do at Michigan if you're going to really
compete with an Ohio State, with an Alabama, you know,
I think institutionally, Michigan feels like they're kind of above

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the fray. They're you know, holier than now, and that's fine.
But if you're gonna be kind of, hey, we're the
academic standard school and stuff like that, well, you know,
then then this is about as good as you're going
to be. And I think Harball has done a lot
with what he's been given. It'd be nice if behind
state every once in a while. That's certainly true. But

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I really think there's a lot of guys who would
do worse at Michigan than Jim Harball. Yeah, Dan Wooke
in USA today, just don't think he should be the
third highest paid coach for what they're not even in
the they're not even in the playoff conversation, I was
going to ask you, Danny, that's the probs beefing with
the Jim Harball seven point five million dollars salary. Your

(25:25):
thoughts on that, well, I just don't really care how
much people get paid as far as as those coaches,
because the market is what it is. I mean, I
think there's an overall issue that we can look at
and say, you know, hey, these guys overall make too
much money. There's too much guaranteed money. It's too hard
to get out of these contracts. But Harball, the reason

(25:47):
he went there instead of taking another NFL job is
because they paid him a lot of money. They paid
the market value. I mean, there's things you can quib
with in his tenure about developing quarterbacks. The offensive coordinator
situation has been kind of up and down, although I
think they finally have settled into something with gadd As
they can work. But yeah, I look the money, Yeah,

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he makes a lot of money. You know, there's a
lot of guys who make a ton of money who
don't deliver as much as Jim Harball has. So that
to me, isn't the issue. I think there's some things
they need to fix on the program. I think the
recruiting could probably be a little bit more dynamic. But overall,
I just don't think you should complain too much. Yeah
with you Dan, Yeah, I just can't. I think Jim

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Harball has pulled the wall. I know he's a favorite
son in the Michigan Man, but boy, I just cannot
believe that when you look at some of the some
of the stats of the numbers, oh and five against
Ohio State, one in ten versus as an underdog, four
and nine against rivals, one and four in bowl games,
including four straight when they play that he's lost ten

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straight versus top fifteen on the road. I mean, how
are any of those numbers any good for him to
be worth be the third highest paid coaching college football.
That they're not. They're not good. None of those numbers
are good, none of them. There's no doubt about it.
It's just okay, he leaves or you fire him. Well,
well then what who's who's the slam dunk guy Who's

(27:15):
going to change that at Michigan? I mean, in Michigan's
a great school, great brand. Uh, It's certainly a place
that that is attractive to recruits. But they are not
set up the way Ohio State set up. They're not
set up the way Clemson set up. So that's to me,
the bigger question is, you know, can you attract the
kind of talent there to consistently compete with the best

(27:38):
elite programs in the country. And because you're not getting
those players from in state anymore. There's very few in Michigan.
Uh and and you're not the only school in the
state either, So you gotta go nationwide. You've got to
recruit the South. It's it's not easy. Great points. We're
talking with Dan Will can you at say Today Sports?
All right, Dan, we open the show talking about two

(27:58):
Tongueavaloa and this idea that he should stay in school.
This is crazy to me. That's not there's no chance
of this, is there. Yeah, I think it's idioddic. I mean,
if he wants to stay in school for another year
because he loves being in college and or he doesn't
think he's ready to go be a pro or whatever,
it is fine. You know, people can make their own decisions.

(28:22):
But if it's because he thinks like there's some great
risk in entering this draft, I think that's I think
that's really dumb. Two is going to be a high
pick in the draft. And now whether he's top three,
top five, top ten, I don't know. But quarterbacks are
so highly valued even if somebody's hurt. I mean, again,

(28:42):
unless the medicals are just so disastrous for him, at
which point I'm not sure another year would would make
a difference anyway, because he's been hurt every single year
he's been in college, and coming back you're certainly risking
getting hurt again. But I mean again, unless unless the
medicals are just like the teams will not draft him,
then it's crazy to me he would consider coming back.

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Did Wisconsin get job last night on that? Uh? Yeah,
offensive offensive pass interference? I didn't like to call um
I and certainly I was texting with a couple of
coaches during the game who similarly felt that, uh uh,

(29:25):
that was not a very good call. But did they
get hoes? I don't know. I mean, I think the
officiating has been fairly mediocre in some big moments and
some of these bowl games. Saw it again last night
in the in the Sugar Bowl, Uh certainly it was
an issue. And for some people in the in the
Fiesta Bowl with Ohio State and Clemson, people feel like

(29:46):
Clemson got too many calls. So there's a lot of
beef about the officials going on right now. It's not
an easy John out. I know they're trying to do
the best they can YadA, YadA, YadA. I thought that
pass interference call. Certainly Wisconsin, I I don't know that
it costs them the game, but it was not a
great call and they certainly have a right to be
furious about it. And then I know this is an

(30:07):
age old augument as time has gone on. But there's
just too many Bowl games, too many Bowl games that
really don't matter. And that's why the people you know,
watching or going to them just doesn't feel the same
as it as it used to when they weren't as many.
Well yeah, I mean, I guess there may be something
to that, but is there what's the difference between you know,

(30:29):
twenty and forty. Well, it's just a bunch more Bowl
games that either or there on TV that people can
either watch or not. You know, it certainly doesn't affect
my enjoyment of the Rose Bowl as the Sugar Bowl
that that you're playing, you know, a game early on
in the Bowl schedule in Boca Raton between two teams.
So I can't even remember, like whatever I watched a

(30:51):
little bit. I watched a little bit of the game.
At the time. It was fine, it was cool, like
it was good content. Um, But there's no question. I
think the bigger issues that playoff has sort of ruled
everything and become so huge to the point where a
team gets to the Sugar Bowl, a team gets to
the Orange Bowl, and a fan base kind of feels

(31:11):
like it's a consolation prize because they missed out on
the playoffs and there's not as much enthusiasm for those games.
I think that is an issue to me that's bigger
than whether or not there's more minor bowls that most
people don't pay attention to anyway. Now that's interesting. Where
are you want to expand the playoff? Dan? I totally
forgot that's what am I love to push the eight

(31:33):
team playoff narrative. Where are you at on that? Well?
I mean, look, if you want to expand the playoff, fine,
Like I think it will be cool, and you know,
it would be fun to see some of these teams
playing quarterfinal games on campus, Like there's an upside to
it for sure. But on the other hand, if you
increase the number of teams in the playoffs, you're not

(31:55):
increasing the number of really good teams. You're actually increasing
teams like Oklahoma who got blown out by LSU. Like
that's the kind of team you're putting in the playoffs.
You know, you're putting in Georgia and Baylor Georgia who
got blown out by twenty seven points in their SEC
championship game, who we know cannot compete with LSU. We
saw it on the field. So those are the kind

(32:17):
of teams that you're putting in the playoff. And I
don't know that that's actually going to make the playoff better,
but it would certainly increase the number of teams in
the mix and down the stretch of the season and
all that. But I don't think the actual playoff games
would be any better than they are now. All right, Dan,
I'll get you out of here with this one of
If you looked a month ago a spread from Vegas

(32:38):
on the Clemson LSU hypothetical game. A month ago, Clemson
would have been favored by a couple points, maybe Clemson
by two, one and a half or two. LSU is
now favored by four or five or six, depending on
where you look. Something seems off here, and everybody in
the world is picking LSU. I love Clemson here. What
are your thoughts heading into the national title Game? Well,

(32:58):
I just think it's people looking at the last part
of the season where LSU, after they kind of look
like they might be pretty questionable on defense, that they
got a lot healthier, Grant Delta got back to one
hundred percent, they got some guys back, and they've really
been good. They totally shut down Texas A and M.
They throttled Georgia, they destroyed Oklahoma, and they just have

(33:19):
the look of a team that's peaking right now now.
Whether they'll peak in two weeks at the Superdome, we'll see.
And they're playing against a team in Clemson that is
much more complete than anyone they've played. They're better defensively
than the Alabama team they beat, They're way better offensively
than the Georgia team they beat. So it's a different

(33:39):
kind of challenge for LSU. But based on the way
they've they've finished, it's hard to pick against them. But
certainly Clemson's got that championship DNA and and and they've
been great in big spots. So if you like Clemson
in the game, go in with Clemson. You're you're not
making a bad decision. But you know, for me, right now,
I don't see anyone beating LSU. Oh good stuff, Dan

(34:01):
wilk in USA Time Sports. He's on Twitter at Dan Wolkin.
Coming up next year on The Dan Patrick's Show, there's
a dark cloud hanging over the basketball world this morning.
We'll get into that next. I'm Rob, I'm Jason McIntyre.
He's Rob Parker, and this is the Dan Patrick Show.
with Chris Broussar then Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm

(34:23):
iHeartRadio app. Rob Parker. Oh, oh, sound the alarm, as
you like to say. There is some interesting news on
the NFL coaching front. We will get to I can't
wait for that. We gotta we gotta verify it and
um flap with our takes. But uh, folks, you're gonna

(34:44):
want to stick around here. There is some news percolating
back here on The Dan Patrick's Show. He is Rob Parker.
I am Jason McIntyre. Um, Rob, I've done a pretty
good job, I think, trying not to look on social
media during the breaks. But um, they ripping me? Why
would they RiPP me? Oh? I don't know. I'm like
one of the friendliest guys. I'm I'm a big cuddly

(35:05):
teddy bear. Oh yeah, yeah, nice, I'm the bad guy.
Well I'm setting it up because if you're being the
bad guy for this take, there's no there's no bag.
Don't make it like yeah, okay, all right. So, uh,
there was a passing in the NBA last night. David Stern,
the longtime commissioner the NBA ushered the league in the
eighties into greatness and the nineties, and um, he passed

(35:28):
away from a brain hemorrhage or complications from a brain hemorrhage.
And you gotta remember I started covering the NBA back
in nineteen eighty seven. Yeah, I was the NBA in
nineteen eight so so I was around Stern and I
got to know him, yeah a little bit, you know
what I mean, and just dealing with the ingredients. Let's
hold on. Let let me just say, obviously, listen, tough
time for his family. This guy was an icon in

(35:50):
the NBA. You know, he did a lot of great
things and um, you know, thoughts and prayers with his family,
no doubt about it, and the NBA family, everybody who
David Stern touched over the years, and he did a
lot of good things. You know, he started the w NBA.
Of course the lay grew and they had he allowed

(36:11):
the players when they started letting the Olympics, you know,
in the Olympics, the Dream Team and whatnot. The only
narrative I think that's a little, uh, a little outside
is the idea that it was about his promoting the
players that changed the league. I just think David Stern
was there when some really great players came around as well.

(36:32):
Obviously Magic Johnson and Larry Bird came, you know, when
Larry O'Brien was the commissioner, and that started a change
of the league. And then David Stern happened to be
there as well when Michael Jordan came along. And I
think that when you start to look back at the
NBA and why it grew and why it came off
of tape delay, you don't remember that you're still a

(36:53):
little young, but the NBA Finals used to be on
tape delay on CBS. Can you imagine that? I mean,
I know people probably are like, what, yes, the games
were already played and they would replay him at eleven
thirty at night after your late local news, and I
would say, here's there's a long list. If you look

(37:14):
around of stuff that David Stern was able to do,
the one thing I think he really missed a boat
on and people I've talked to and friends of mine
always go back to was the dress code and how
that was handled with Alan Iverson and the hip hop culture.
And I think that that was one of the swings
and missus that Stern had during his tenure. For some people,

(37:37):
they thought, what's wrong with telling people to wear suits
or whatnot? But it was bigger than that. And you
talk to some NBA players or whatnot, and asked him
honestly about who were in the league at that time.
They they didn't think it was as cool as a
lot of people thought it was. Well, let's just say
they the dress code deaf. It wasn't suits. They had
to at least look the part of a businessman, and

(38:01):
they are business as you could see a lot of
these NBA players have turned themselves, thanks to the NBA,
into a business. I think Jay Z said, it's a businessman.
I mean, Lebron is a business, Shack is a business.
Michael Jordan is the biggest sports business. It wasn't Yeah, well,
I mean, listen, it's is it a good look in
the year after the Malice at the Palace, a brawl

(38:22):
where players are jumping into the stands, and by the
way I have defend I know Stephen Jackson. I've done
a lot of TV with him. I talked to him
a lot of FS one. I like Stephen Jackson, and
I've defended ron our test for going in the stands.
Somebody throws a couple of water out. You can't, but
you can't. At the same time, the narrative around the
NBA after the mouths at the Palace was, man, look

(38:43):
at these guys. They look and you can enter all
the words you want. I'm not gonna say I don't
need the heat this morning. I the dress code was
a good thing. I don't. And if you talk to
a lot of guys who were in the league, and
I was around the league during that time, I just
thought it was out of bounds. It was pacifying other people.
And what you wear, as long as you come do

(39:05):
your job shouldn't matter for most people. And to sit
on the bench or to take a charter flight in
the middle of the night when nobody sees you, when
you don't touch the public at all, that's totally different
from flying on a commercial flight and you're in the
public's eye. That's all I as a professional athlete, you
are in the public eye. No, you you go to

(39:28):
the private jet. The camera. There are cameras on a
private jet in the middle of the night. And the
other part is the other thing he did was he
changed the basketball without consulting the players. That was another one.
Do you remember even do not even remember? Yeah? Even
Tim Duncan complained that the ball was good, and Steve

(39:49):
Nash came out against it, and eventually I give it
stern credit. You know what he did. He went back
to the old basketball because it just wasn't good enough.
But obviously more stuff bad, more good than bad. David
would I would be curious. I don't have an answer
to this, rob, but I just thought of it. So
all these players who are outfitted by apparel companies under

(40:10):
Armour adds Nike, I wonder if in the wake of
the dress code, we saw an uptick in athletes in
the NBA getting represented by these sneaker companies because they
now are dressed up a little bit better, they're more
appealing to the mainstream. I'm talking the mainstream though, people

(40:31):
I'm talking about the housewives who watch I just not
buying that. I just think that I just totally disagree
with that. I don't think it had anything to do
with it. I just think that people want to revisionist history.
It was a out and out kind of knock on
black culture's clothes and what we were living and what

(40:51):
was comfortable to us back. I don't know in the
NBA when you're trying to hip hop culture, but the
NBA's not trying to appeal just to the hip hop crowd.
I'm not trying to puild that housewives who's going to
pop up their kids to go play basketball? But do
you think Steph Curry is such a great We're running
out of time here, Rob all right, he's Rob Parker.
I'm Jason McIntyre in on The Dan Patrick Show. Coming

(41:13):
up next is Tom Brady, the worst quarterback in the playoffs.
with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm
iHeartRadio app. We're back our number two here on the
Dan Patrick Show. I am Jason McIntyre. He is Rob Parker.

(41:34):
We are in for Dan Patrick and company. Dan Patrick
getting a nice holiday break, Hunt, Rob, You've done a
bunch of shows on Dan Patrick. This is probably like
my third or fourth. Yeah, hey, opay. He's enjoying a holiday.
He's earned it, certainly, absolutely and great to fill in
for Dan and the Danette. It's all good. It's an honor.
Big news in the NFL, folks, just breaking right now.

(41:56):
Urban Meyer is being pursued by the Cleveland Browns. The
Cleveland Browns the worst organization in the NFL, the biggest
dumpster fire. I know you want to make a case
for the Detroit Law nineteen fifty seven. I'm going with
the law. This century, it's been the Cleveland Browns. At

(42:18):
least your lions have been to the playoffs. Cleveland Browns
went the entire decade, Rob Parker without a winning record.
I get it. That's the word. That's the only team
in the NFL. And now they're going after Urban Meyer,
who is the biggest fish in the coaching pond, without question. U.
This news coming of course from the great Bruce Feldman,

(42:40):
buddy of mine. He's a neighbor of mine. Actually out
where we live out here in LA. And Bruce Feldman
has is saying that the Browns have a strong interest
in former Ohio state coach Urban Meyer. Now, Rob your
initial reaction when you hear urban Meyer the prodigal son
of Ohio? Okay, he was the high paid employee in

(43:01):
the state. He was the most recognizable. If urban Meyer
weighs in on a presidential election in the state of Ohio,
it can sway voters. That's how impactful urban Meyer was.
Let's start here. Do you believe there's any chance urban
Meyer stays home because he does live in Ohio. I
know people see him on FS one and they think, oh,
he lives out in LA. He does not live out

(43:22):
here in LA. Do you think there's a chance urban
Meyer takes the Cleveland Brown's job. I'm not convinced. I
would say no. I would think that he would have
other opportunities if he wanted to take an NFL job.
There would be bigger and better jobs than to Cleveland Brown.
But does it get better than staying home? Right? Coaching,

(43:42):
seeing your family and there is nowhere to go but up.
If urban Meyer takes his job. Okay, we know that
like Chip Kelly, went to the Eagles, it had a
smiled success, and then he flamed out. There was like
a power struggle in Philly. We know Jim Harball came
to the Niners and as we both agree, he was
lights out in Za Francisco quickly. I think people should

(44:04):
be scared if urban Meyer comes to the Cleveland Browns
with that roster, he is too good of a coach
to fail. I don't I'm not so sure about that.
I think we hear that all the time everybody, I
think you did you pick the Browns for the playoffs?
That I did not have the Browns? Okay, so you
were wanted a few me, you and a couple other people,
but most people went crazy. I don't know. I would
have to wait to see. There have been a lot

(44:24):
of great college coaches who have gone to the NFL
who failed Furrier, Nick Saban right when things didn't work out.
So I'm not so convinced that it's a slam dunk
even if he goes there. Baker Mayfield regressed this year,
so urban Meyer might have a quarterback who's not really
as good, might not in three or four years be
a franchise quarterback. If this year that we saw a

(44:46):
year or two, was any indication of where Baker Mayfield's going.
I don't know if obj will still be there. I'm
just not sure. So when you look at Irban Meyer's history,
he won at I believe it was Bowling Green. Oh,
he won everywhere, want Utah or something like that. No,
it's Bowling Green, I think, right, And then he yeah.
And then urban Meyer goes to Florida wins multiple championships

(45:08):
with Tim Tebow. He wanted Utah as well. I'm being
told by a great producer over here with Alex Smith,
who was the number one pick. Now we know that
urban Meyer's in high demand. The Washington Redskins, right, remember
their owner Daniel Snyder, he was in the box, would
have gotten urban Meyer. Now that was also because you
know Alex Smith, Dwayne Haskins, he had a lot of

(45:29):
players in that game, Terry McClure, and the wide receiver
for the Redskins. Urban Meyers in high demand. Now, Rob
There's also always the chance that Jerry Jones has been
putting out feelers urban Meyer, and maybe urban Meyer is saying,
like the Browns, I could stay home to drive up
his price a little bit. I'm telling you right now,
if you were to make a list of potential coaches

(45:52):
to jump to the NFL and you can hire somebody,
I don't think there's anybody above Urban Meyer one. No,
I mean on his track record alone. But I'm just
saying I'm just not so sure yet. I'm not positive
that if he's going to make that leap, staying home
is not always that important. If the ownership isn't right,
if the if the players that you have on the

(46:13):
roster might not be right. I don't know. Is he
a Baker Mayfield guy. Maybe he looks at Baker Mayfield
and says, I can't win with that guy. Leads to
a great question. You just have me on a great question.
Who would you rather if you have the Dallas Cowboys
offer and the Cleveland Browns offer and they're the exact same,
just head coach, no no personnel decisions. Who which roster?

(46:33):
Right now? Which owner would you take? You would take
the Cowboys roster? Not a problem is really you would?
Why would not? But the problem is why the dak
Prescott's about to get thirty million dollars. Well, but I'm
just saying, but you also have to look at they've
won two of two of the last three NFC East titles.
That doesn't mean anything, but they have more talent than
the Browns. You just made a big thing on I

(46:55):
don't know about that, Well I do, I don't. I think,
not not on paper, but actually guys who can play. Uh.
And here's the other part. Now, the only problem with
the Cowboys job is Jerry Jones. Well, the Brown's owners
a nut job, yeah, but I don't. I don't know
about Jerry. He had six coaches in a decade. Yeah,
but at least could justify that with with how bad

(47:16):
it is. I thought he did the right thing in
firing John Dorsey, who who gave Freddy Kitchens a job,
but he didn't deserve Okay, so he's the one who
set this whole thing up, and that's why I think
John Dorsey had to pay for it with his job.
So what I mean, if you're Urban Meyer, you think
the Dallas job is more attractive than Oh yeah, the
Dallas job is more triangle rob But but the question
would be, is Jerry Jones still gonna want a coach? Now?

(47:40):
If Jerry Jones is gonna do what he did with
Jason Garrett over those ten years, then no, I don't
want any part. That's why Jimmy Johnson left, you know
what I mean. So so I'm saying, if, if, if, if,
finally Jerry Jones is going to change his ways and
get out of the way after realizing that twenty five
years of running the franchise and just having four playoff

(48:02):
wins isn't working and I'm gonna turn it over to
a football guy. Then then I think Dallas was a
better job. Not that's not the case, then no, David
ster not to I see David Starn on the TV.
I'm telling Jerry Jones is a seventy seven year old billionaire.
If you think he's gonna suddenly change his ways now,
I'm just because Urban Meyer's coming to don't know. Listen,

(48:25):
first of all, where you're wrong here, Rob is the
best way to build a contender right now in the
NFL is to do so with your quarterback on a
rookie deal. He's cheap. You can build around him. Okay,
the Rams just went to the Super Bowl with Golf
on the rookie deal. Now they got to pay Golf
thirty million. It looks a little shaky. Baker's on his
rookie deal, you can build around him. Yeah, but he

(48:46):
was preco awful. This year he was awful. Urban Meyer
what He's had more interceptions than anybody in football. Let's
just be honest, Jami Baker Mayfield. Even when you look
at Baker Mayfield last year in the seven wins, they
beat only one team over five hundred. They'd beat Baltimore

(49:08):
twelve to nine when Joe Flaco lost his job because
he was so awful in that game. That's the only game.
And he piled up a lot of numbers against the
bad Cincinnati Bengals that have been given up five hundred
yards of All I'm saying is if you look at
the numbers, even last year, they were fudged because he
beat nobody, and this year he was bad. He took

(49:28):
a big step backwards. I would still take the Brown's
roster with a bad as you say, Baker Mayfield these
statistically was one of the worst quarterbacks in the league
on a rookie deal over Dak Prescott. Listen, Robin Dak Prescott.
I know you're gonna have to pay him thirty to
thirty five million dollars this year. You know what that means?
Good luck keeping Amari Cooper, good luck keeping Byron Jones

(49:50):
and all these other guys. You can't. I mean, we've
seen it with the Steelers. It's so tough to get
back to his Super Bowl when you're paying Big Ben
the big money. The Saints with Drew Brees, it is difficult.
I mean, if urban Meyer has a choice, I'm taking
the Browns over Dallas. Now, a lot of people will
say I don't want anything to do with the state
of Ohio and live urban Meyer has lived in Ohio. Okay,

(50:14):
he gets to stay home and coach the Browns instead
of fly out to Fox and do great TV here
for four months or five months out of the year.
Urban Meyer, I listen, this is I think there's this
is live. I think this is real stuff that would
be huge for the NFL. Look at that division. Okay,
you have Mike Tomlin, who's a great coach. You have

(50:35):
Ben Roethlisberger coming back. You have the Bengals with the
number one pick in Joe Burrow. You have the Ravens
who are the Super Bowl favorites and have the MVP
and Lamar Jackson. And then you add urban Meyer to
the Browns. That is fascinating stuff. Right now. I'm interested, Adah.
I mean, I'm not saying the Browns shouldn't be interested
in urban Meyer. Of course they should. He's an available coach,

(50:55):
so that all makes sense. But I'm not so sure
that he's has as much interest in them, and that
would be my concern of whether or not urban Meyer.
For them to have interest doesn't mean that interest that
he has the interest even though he's lives in Ohio
and you know the Ohio state Cleveland Browns thing. I
get all that, but Lebron was from Ohio too and

(51:17):
couldn't wait to leave. Not only did it leave once
he left twice. He's building a business that empire. All right,
let's move on to the listen as that news updates,
we will one hundred percent come back to urban Meyer
and the Cleveland Browns. All right. So Rob coming up
next here on the Dan Patrick Show, I think we're
gonna go to a topic that we teased a little

(51:39):
bit earlier. So we got eight wild card quarterbacks this
weekend in the NFL, and Rob Parker is trying to
make an argument because his buddy, his buddy is good
pal Bucky Brooks agrees with him. That Tom Brady is
the worst quarterback on an NFL wild Card weekend. Fox
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(52:02):
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I'm fine, I've been checked out. I'm good, clean bill
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Patrick Show. He is Rob Parker. I'm Jason mcadown. I'm

(52:25):
just still floored over this Bruce Feldman report about Urban
Meyer and the Browns. That will be fascinating to watch. Um,
But this weekend I'll be watching some NFL Wildcard action.
How about you, Rob Parker? Yes, can't wait? You working
this weekend? Or what do you got you date? You
going to Russia or what? What's going on? I'm actually
going up to Oakland, So I'll be in Open Bay
every yeah Bay every year. Yes, right, I'll be up there.

(52:46):
I'll watch you go hang with Eddie House. H No,
I need to see Eddie. He lives in Arizona. Oh,
oh that's right. Yeah, yeah, he's from there. He's from there. Yeah.
Eddie House a good dude, Otherwise I wouldn't. I'm a
big fan of Eddie House. He just sounds so tough
and he talks. You know all right, Rob Parker, so um,
one of your best palsy Like what me and Bucky

(53:09):
books are always going out of you guys. We have
a love hate because of the Amon Roger stuff that
he's used, and Bucky comes through FS one nice guy.
I will say this, Bucky, if you're listening, Um, I
disagree with you. Here here's a Bucky Brooks at to
say on Tom Brady in the NFL playoffs. I don't
know why it's taking y'all so long to come around
to the fact that it's over. It's over for the Patriots.

(53:32):
It's over because their quarterback is the worst quarterback in
the playoffs. Tom Brady, I can't go with you, is
the worst quarterback in the playoffs. Let's count them off. Jimmy,
Jimmy Garoppolo. Now I take Jimmy, Drew Brees, Come on,
Carson Wentz, keep talking, Russell Wilson, whatever, Aaron Rodgers, Pat

(53:53):
mahomes Lamar Jackson, Ryan Tanio, the only guy where is
possibly questionable. Let's go Kirk Cousins and Josh, that's it.
That's what we're talking about. That's what we're talking about
right now. So look that boogeyman that's across the ring.
He ain't it anymore? Wow? Um, Bucky Brooks off the

(54:15):
top rope on Tom Brady. Let me just I'll narrow
it to the wild just the wild card weekend. Obviously,
the divisional teams are Brady's not as good right now.
And again, guys, if you're listening out there and you're
yelling at your radio, relax for a second. We're not
talking all time. We're talking not a lifetime achievement, is

(54:36):
not even the how are you playing right now at
this juncture? Exactly? Okay, wild Card weekend. I would say
Russ is probably the best quarterback Russ or Drew Brees
right now. And Russ was the MVP earlier in the season.
Drew Brees is playing great. Carson Wentz has been phenomenal
the last month. I mean he's beat a bunch of
tomato cans or whatever. Deshaun Watson I like a lot,

(54:57):
But there are four guys who were kind of lumped together.
Rob you got Kirk Cousins. I don't know if you
could trust Kirk Cousins in a big spot. I mean,
the game is not on Monday Night, so he should
perform well. Josh Allen who undeniable. Guys, Listen, I know
you could take you could take shots at Josh Allen
all you want. Second half of the season one, Josh

(55:18):
Allen statistically is better than Tom Brady in every single
passing category. People won't believe that. I know, but people
don't believe. That's an unassailable fact that the second half
of the season Josh Allen statistically has been better than
Tom Brady, which leaves Ryan Tannehill and Tom Brady. That's

(55:38):
how far Brady has fallen. Now, I did look in
seven of the last nine games, Brady has completed less
than fifty six percent of his passes. That's abysable. Rob.
I'm still gonna say right now, I would take Tom
Brady to start this game over Ryan Tannehill. And it's
good that they're going up against each other. No, I would.

(56:00):
I would take Ryan Tannehill in the way that he's
played Tom Brady when you look at everything else that's
involved about his supporting cast. Uh, that game they gave
up at the end of the year to the Dolphins
was probably that was that was earth shaking, you know
what I mean from the standpoint of a game they

(56:21):
really needed to have to get a bye. We've seen,
we've seen the numbers. They've never made it to a
super Bowl when they didn't have that first round by
when they have to go and and this is then
they have to go on the road. Now, this is
a tough task for Tom Brady and Father Time's undefeated.
People don't want to believe it. Most people don't want

(56:43):
to bash him and they just want to wait until
he's finally knocked out. Before that they pounced. But just
looking at the numbers, uh, Jason, and looking at where
Tom Brady has been and you just said it, you
just gave the the the Josh Allen numbers. Tom Brady
was worth Josh Allen. It's a fact. Yeah, the second half.

(57:03):
But again it's is it all stats? I mean, do
the intangibles matter? Is the opponent matter? What about the
trust factor? If you're going into a playoff game and
you look at Tom Brady, who's done it a million times,
and you look at Ryan Tannehills who's oh in six
in Foxborough and has never started a playoff game. Right now,
I'm taking Tom Brady over Ryan Tann. I'm not. I

(57:24):
just think that's when you're going and you're going into
the past. What happens is people can't let go of
the past, and people are always it's just a safer bet.
You're saying, you're taking the Brady and the Patriots. It's
just a safe bet. And then you could say, well,
I didn't know that there was going to be over.
I still thought they had one more last try in it.
So it's just an easy picking amount of people do

(57:45):
That's that's not totally it. If you look at where
they are and how they've played, you can't feel good
going into the playoffs. You don't have to feel great.
But does the first part of the season not matter
at all? No, it doesn't. It's how you're playing right now. Okay,
your playing right now. And this is the other thing.
Cowboys started three and oh and four and one. Go

(58:05):
look at who they beat in those games, bad teams.
And this is why I never bought into them, even
when they were three and oh and Dak was putting
up those great numbers. I still had them as not
making the playoffs because when they started to play teams
that were better, they didn't beat them. And in the playoffs,
everybody's good, they're no, they're no also rands. But the

(58:25):
Patriots to stockpile wins against. You couldn't say the same
about the Titans and Ryan Tannehill. Who have they beaten?
Who look at look at the schedule? Rob They beat
Houston Planets, backups, they got boat raced by the Saints.
They lost to the Texans. They beat the Raiders, whooped
the damn do they beat the pathetic Colts were in
the playoffs rush until the last game. Stop it. I'm

(58:46):
just saying, come on, get out of here. The Cowboys
were in the playoff races util the last game. You know,
so they beat the Jaguars. The only good win for
Ryan Dannihill, the only one was the fraudulent victory over
the Kansas City Chiefs, who all they had to do
was snapped the ball correctly, kick a field goal and
they're good. And they botched two field goals in the
final five minutes. Tell but let's the only win. So

(59:09):
and that's a fraudulent victory. The Tennessee Titans are vastly
overvalued by the game. Who did the Patriots beat other
than Buffalo twice? Other than Buffalo, Buffalo is the playoff team,
we thought what I'm talking about, but by close scores
and both of those games. Other than that, who did
they beat the Eagles? They were in the playoffs? Okay,
but they beat the Dallas Cowboys. They missed the playoffs.
But you just you just said another team, the Raiders

(59:32):
were in the mix, Dallas was in the mix. No,
I'm asking you, like, if you look at their wins,
who did they lose to? The Patriots lost to the Chiefs,
the Dolphins, and then two other Division xins who are
in the playoffs. And that's what I'm saying. So they
basically lost to three teams that are in the playoffs
and then they That's why I'm then then the pants
soiling against the Dolphins, Right, That's why I don't believe

(59:52):
that they're going to make that move. And Tom Brow,
can you look at his stats wise, just being fair
and not talking about what he did in his career.
We know he was a great quarterback over those twenty years.
But right here, right now, looking at the guys who
were involved as far as quarterbacks, Tom is the world. Okay, well,
let me hit you at this. Since you're talking about
who teams beat, Rob Parker, are you ready for this?

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It might be one of the top three stats of
the NFL Wild Card weekend. The Buffalo Bills have beaten
one team that's in the playoffs. One. It was the
Tennessee Titans when Marcus Mariota was the starting quarterback in October.
How do you respond to that, Rob Parker? Not that
it doesn't mean that they can't beat that they can't
beat the Patriots. And I'm gonna tell you why. But

(01:00:34):
you're just saying that the Patriots have beating nobody. The
Bills have literally beat in nobody the Tennessee Titans with
Mariota at quarterback in October. The rest of the teams
they beat did not make the playoffs. Did The Bill's
biggest win to me was when they went on Thanksgiving
Day to Dallas. What is Dallas? But they are home
for the holidays about to fire their coach. But at

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that time, at that point in the season, at that game,
it was a big game. Would you admit that, I
don't know, I bet that lay up they were six
point underdogs. That was a big game. That was a
big game, and I think people thought that Dallas at home.
I just don't like how you flip flop on the narratives.
I'm not bottom line, you can bash you the Patriots beat,
that's fine. I'm telling you that they just when you
look at the Patriots and where they are with a

(01:01:16):
forty two year old quarterback and what they just did
on the last game of the year, which was given
up to a Dolphins team going nowhere other than home
and giving up a buy and home field, you can't
tell me that they did that by design. That tells
me that they're not that good. And the and the
Titans run the football very well, which is the worst

(01:01:38):
thing for the Patriots. Okay, So I'm telling you that
there's a chance that the Patriots could get knocked out
by the time. There's a chance anything could happen. Rob,
if you have three tough radio shows in a row, right,
you're just not feeling it down a little bit. Three
bad radio shows and that's all somebody listens to. Man.
I heard Rob Parker the last three days. He was
not very good. I will respond, dude, the body of

(01:02:01):
work matters. Don't judge Rob Parker on three radio shows.
Look at his entire month of shows. Oh, that guy
is pretty good. Look at the entire season of the Patriots.
They should be listen, you know right now, and I
want to get to this. I talked about it on
the Cowherd Show yesterday. Um, the nerds are winning the
football battle against the football guys. Okay, the analytic guys,

(01:02:23):
the spreadsheets, they have one in baseball, they are winning
in basketball. They are now winning in football. And the
analytics guys for the full season, say, listen, the Patriots
should be favored by a little more than four and
a half or five or whatever the number is. There's
value betting on the Patriots this weekend because the Joe

(01:02:45):
public guy, Rob Parker looks at the Patriots and say, oh,
those guys stake the last couple of weeks. Wait a minute,
body of work matters. I'm about the Patriots. I'm on
the Patriots this weekend. Rob. Don't judge someone by a
couple games. Judge the body of work. And when they lose, uh,
it'll be interesting to see where you are and that,

(01:03:05):
and then you'll be the first one to say, well,
Tom Brady, could anything could happen? Rob a lot win
the frigging lottery tomorrow. I picked them before the seasons started,
lottery that they wouldn't even make it to the AFC
Championship game. That was before the season started. That's how
much I felt that would play in with a forty

(01:03:25):
two year old quarterback trying to do something that most
guys can't do. And even now we've seen it. Uh,
Tom Brady, can you can you at least acknowledge that
he's taking a step back big time? Oh? No doubt. Okay,
he's definitely been subpar or the last step That's all
I'm saying. I mean second half of the season. You
got the dozen of nine games, fifty six percent completions
are worse. That's not good for Tom Brady. He's got

(01:03:47):
no receivers, that Olman's banged up. I don't know if
he trusts to new He certainly doesn't trust the rookie
Nikil Harry. There's no Gronkowski. The running game is mediocre
since the fullback went down, and the offensive line Sony
Michelle was great for them. Adam on my fantasy team
I lost in the first round, still fired up about that,
did you. Yeah, I love fantasy, like gambling, fantasy, eating

(01:04:11):
unhealthy U coming up next year on Fox Sports. Oh,
it's coming here on the Dan Patrick Show, Adam Kaplan
NFL Insider. He's gonna hopefully trying to break down some
of this coaching carousel for us. It's getting weird. I'm
obsessed with this Urban Meyer to Cleveland story. You know,

(01:04:31):
someone just texted me that maybe he's trying to leverage
Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Hey, listen, if you can
get two billionaires bidding over you, Jerry Jones and Jimmy Haslum,
that would be awesome for Urban Meyer. But again, a
lot of questions remain. I mean, does Jason Garrett survive?
So joining the show now here on the Dan Patrick Show,

(01:04:52):
I'm Jason McIntyre. He is Rob Parker, Adam Kaplan joining
us now Fox Sports Radio, NFL Insider, Adam, what's up
new year? Rob could have talked you again, Jason could
have talked to you. Yeah, it's I was hearing a
little bit of your discussion right there. Yet, It's been
an interesting week. There's not a lot of openings, but
certainly what the Browns did with the general manager John

(01:05:12):
Dorsey was It wasn't out of left field. Rumors were
that he was in trouble, but the way that they
wanted to do it and reassign him was crazy. Of course,
he's not going to go for that. So the Browns
have done what the Browns chipically do under the leadership
that they have seemed to change course every couple of years,
and they're doing it once again. Hey, Adam, I was
in favor of John Dorsey losing his gig only because

(01:05:35):
the whole the way he handled the Freddie Kitchens thing,
which was telling these proven coaches that they had to
take Freddie Kitchens as their offensive coordinator and guys wouldn't
even interview with them when that was suggested, and then
because they couldn't get anybody to come there, he gives
a guy Freddie Kitchen and was probably more than likely
I wasn't ready for that job and with the personalities

(01:05:57):
and what not going on, So he should have taken
abront of that because that was a miss. He missed
that one and given Freddy Kitchens that job. Rob. But
let me add this one thing where I did reporting
on this last year, and I know this to be
the case talking to two team stories with a Brown
The one thing that John Jersey really missed on, like
he really liked Kevin Stefanski. He was the one who

(01:06:19):
actually found him. But if Kevin Stefanski is the OC
with the Vikings, I'm told that he absolutely out interviewed
and was the most impressive when there are six people
who were in the interview said basically that it wasn't
even close. Freddy Kitchens was not the most impressive guy
in the interviews. Is just that Dorsey panicked he wanted
to keep the continuity for Baker Mayfield and that turned

(01:06:43):
out to be yet another mistake. We see this around
the National Football League. If a guy's a good has
done a good job of the quarterback, they just think,
oh wow, you will make him the head coach. Well,
you're not hiring a coordinator as a head coach, You're
hiring a leader. And I think this is where John
Dorsey totally missed out on Freddy Kitchens. All right, Adam,
I got a quick question here, uh quote of Bruce Feldman.

(01:07:03):
The Browns are now showing interest in Urban Meyer. Is
your read that Meyer would a consider this because he
gets to stay at home. H you know, relatively speaking
in the state of Ohio, or is he trying to
leverage it cowboys here or you know, does he want
to stay doing TV. What's your read on the Urban
Meyer Cleveland Browns report. Yeah, And what I would tell

(01:07:24):
you about the Browns is there they may go a
big game hunting, so to speak. They may look at
um some big names as we as we get closer
to next week. Uh, in Matt Role, I would be shocked.
He's not in the fact they know he wouldn't take
the Brown's job. That's just got too much chaos. Matt
Role is a guy that is different than Urban Meyer
because Urban Meyers out of the game. Matt Role now

(01:07:47):
has got the is the hottest name this year for
NFL head coaching searches. He is, he is the guy
giants really want him. I'd be shocked if if he
took that job because it doesn't have a great front
office setup. Let's see leverages everything we know that in
contracts and Matt Role has the most whereas Erwin Meyers
out of the game. And yeah, he is a big name.

(01:08:08):
He's certainly a tremendous college football coach. It would make
some sense because He's a big name, and Jimmy has
him talking to people close to him. He's looked at
the college coaches. He looked at Gruten many years ago.
John and Jimmy are close, but it just didn't work out.
John's timing wasn't right and John wanted a certain amount
of control. That's the other thing here, folks, is that
the Brown situation. Meyer may not care about the front

(01:08:30):
office setup, but I could tell you Matt Rule does.
Matt Rule was a assistant coach on a lower level
briefly with the Giants. He knows the way it is
the nafter Football League. The setup that the Browns have
with the front office is so awkward because now they
want to bring back analytics. I Irwin Meyer would absolutely
have to not have enough information to say, you know what,
it's a lot of money. I want to get back
into coaching, and I'll just live with whatever they have. Hey, Adam,

(01:08:54):
Jerry Jones is going to meet with Jason Garrett again.
This will be their third meeting. My cha not knowing anything,
and I would love to hear what you think is
that Jerry, you know, has this affinity for Jason and
is trying to find a gig inside the Cowboys organization
so that he gets to stick around. Says he's still

(01:09:15):
going to be around, you know, not, Jason's not put
out on the street because basically Jerry was able to
force his will on Jason Garrett, his coach over the
last ten years. Nobody else who would miss the playoffs
seven out of ten times, you know, would still be
a head coach. I don't think Jason Garrett's coming back
as coach, but I think he's staying with the Cowboys. Well,

(01:09:36):
I don't see anyway he would stay with the Cowboys
if he's on the head coach rob Here's according multiple
sources I've talked to with the Cowboys, they believe strongly
that Jerry's gaping as much information with Jason Biway. Jason's
contract is expiring. Some of his assistants actually their contracts
were expired yesterday, right, they kid, I could go back
in the building, I'm told. So. I think what he's

(01:09:58):
doing is he's taking as much of from as he
can with Garrett, no pressure here, just trying to get
as much as he can. And also, you're right, their
relationship goes back over twenty five years. Part sometimes it's
very very difficult. I think that's got something to do
with it. I think there're three or four things I'm
told her to have a lot that are involved, but
they're just to finish it off. I don't see a

(01:10:19):
scenario where he could go back and not be the
head coach, but I do, but I would throw this
small chance out if by chance and they would be
I don't want to say it's a miracle, but by
some small chance that he does return to head coach.
What I think part of this discussion could be, and
this is what some other people think too, is that
he's finding out what the problem was and why they

(01:10:41):
underachieved so severely, and who were the coaches that were
the culprits. It wasn't just Jason, who needs to do
a better job of coaching his coaches. Is like what
happened here, and I think I think Jerry's being very
thorough with it. But the fact of the matter is,
and we know this with with Jerry Jones, because he
makes all decisions. He's not only the owner that he's
a general manager. Jerry's gonna do what he wants, whether

(01:11:03):
some people say he shouldn't do it, he just does it. Anyway,
So that would explain the failures they've had for many,
many years. Uh. Talk with Adam Kaplan, Fox Sports Radio,
NFL insider. Adam, what's your read on the Dak Prescott situation.
I'll listen. I know people don't want to hear this,
but the best way to build around build a winning
team right now is around a quarterback on a rookie deal.

(01:11:24):
Dak is about to get paid what thirty thirty five
million dollars? Do you think? Yeah? Yeah, he would have
leveraged Jason. It would be closer to thirty five if
he does get a deal though. Yeah. So, and even
if they franchise tag him, you're still gonna have to
pay him. You're gonna have to lose a lot of players.
It seems likely that Amari Cooper will sign elsewhere. Like
how attractive is this cowboy's job? Should Jason Garrett get dusted? Yeah,

(01:11:45):
that's a great question, just a couple for let me
unpack a couple of things he said here, because there's
a lot to go over here, but we could we
could sum them up this way if you were asking
me about a month ago. But Amark Cooper coming back,
I said, absolutely, I locked. There's no way they let
him go. Remember, they give a first round pick for him.
Right talking the boys, they were extremely disappointed with his
performance against the Eagles in Philly. He didn't show up,

(01:12:06):
He wasn't he just wasn't into the game. He was
taken out of the game because he was not performing well.
Despite all the excuses that the Cowboy's made, my sources
tell me clearly was pulled out because he was not performing.
I mean I remember talking to him in a locker
room with a bunch of media people there, and he
was baffled, but he also said he knew he added

(01:12:27):
play better. That one's going to be interesting because again
they give up a first round pick. So one of
the two things are going to happen here, either one
of those guys. They're going to use their franchise tagle
one of those two guys, and it's going to be
with whoever they don't think they can get a deal
done with. They tried very hard with Dak Prescott. Here's
the problem that Jerry Jones has. He's the one owner

(01:12:48):
and plus he's a general manager who waits way too
long to get deals done with it with their best players,
and it wants up costing him more than than it should.
This has been a constant problem for him over the
years that the overpaying contracts hasn't matter. Fact, agents always
tell me they're they're probably the most generous team when
it comes to contract negotiation. Wow. How about one other
thing with the Giants Matt rule? Is he there is

(01:13:11):
he on their radar? Who are the Giants looking at?
And or is it Mike McCarthy who who do you
see landing in New York? Rob? I think it's absolutely
Matt rule number one. It is based on discussions with
people around the league. That's who they think they they're
gonna target now. But remember he's now free in lead
in terms of being able to interview if they want
to or if he wants to, because they just there.

(01:13:32):
There are seasons over. But as I said earlier, I
find it hard to believe he would take that job,
being that it's a bad team. And yes, I know
Matt has taken over to bad programs in terms of
win losses Bailer and Temple. He's done a brilliant job
with both. But you've got a general manager in if
gentleman who's done a very shaky job they do have

(01:13:52):
a quarterback that's attractive to head coach candidates, but their
defense is an absolute train wreck. They need they need
a lot of help. The offensive line is poor. They've
got some assets, no question from the Beckham trade, but
that one, to me, based on front offrastructure, would not
be attractive to talking people close to Rule that one
would have things would have to change or remember they

(01:14:14):
already they already said that they retaining Getleman, and Getleman
already had his season closing press conference tells you he's
coming back. That I didn't understand why why would they
not wait to talk to Rule after his game and
see what he wanted to do and turn to the
front office. Adam, that's strange. You don't think the Giants
are attractive? I mean this. I know they had a
bad season obviously, but between the rookie quarterback you got

(01:14:36):
se Quon Barkley. The skill positions are said Shepherd, Tate,
Slayton look really good, Evan Ingram if he can stay healthy.
I like the backup Cayton Smith. I feel like the
Giants offense isn't the problem. The defense is the disaster.
And Rule, I mean he has been phenomenal turning around
the defense at Temple and Baylor. I think the Giants
is kind of an attractive job. You're not a fan,

(01:14:57):
no no, no, no. Snow did a great job his
decordinator who he had in Baylor and Philly with Temple.
But I've asked people who've graded that roster. It's awful.
On defense, It's one of the worst defensive roster. Plutzer
scheme was terrible. You're right on offense. Look that they
have a quarterback. That's why I said earlier. It does
make it somewhat attractive. The problem is the front office.

(01:15:18):
And remember Matt Role would have been the Jets head
coach had they let him hire his offensive coordinate. That
he won it last year, and that was one talking
to people involved in it, that was crazy. That tells
you about the Jets. Thinking, we'll say this one's gonna
be fascinating. I'll be interested to see I'll say this
one shift winds up interviewing for the Giants job. Then

(01:15:38):
he clearly has no problem with the front off setup.
So we're gonna learn a lot about Matt Role in
the next twenty four to forty eight hours. But Dave
Getleman just hired four quote computer guys. Come on, Adam,
you've gotta love that, all right, Adam, have that? That
did make me laughing. Blox Sports Radio NFL Insider happy matter, Adam,
Thank you? You got you to follow him on Twitter
at Kaplan NFL. All right, Coming up next here on

(01:15:58):
The Dan Patrick Show, Rob Parker and I are going
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give you the most important stat of NFL wald Card weekend.
Do not make any bets on Wildcard Weekend until you
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Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search f
SR to listen live. Back here on the Dan Patrick Show.
I'm Jason McIntyre. He is Rob Parker or in for
Dan Patrick and his crew. Hope everybody had a fun,
safe New Year's Eve? Rob, yours was? I'm sure Lyddy

(01:16:42):
Litton Nah nah, not this year the club nah. You know,
I had the big trip to Antarctica, So this year
kind of laid low, hello because I was working a lot,
you know, I've been filling in all over the radio
and all got to warm up after the Antarctic. Yeah,
it was the extremities. It was not that bad though.
It was actually summer there. So where are you going
next year? Outer Mongolia? What's next? On going to Russia?

(01:17:06):
That's my next fat in August Park love to travel.
I know, forget about the Golden Girls cruise in February.
Everybody is that a real thing? Yeah? How many Golden
Girls are alive? One? Betty White that's it. Yeah, everybody
else's gone. Stinks. It's fun. It's sort of Western Caribbean.
It's the end of February. I'm going and I can't wait. Actually,

(01:17:27):
a little Soca music. Soca music my families from the Caribbean. Okay, yeah,
I'm probably the only brown guy who was his family's
from the Caribbean in sports media. So I like a
little Soca music for the aid of you who know
what I'm talking. So it'll be good though. Yeah, I'm
looking forward to that tripe. The Dan Patrick Show brought
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(01:17:47):
guys have been waiting on pins and needles for this stack.
Can you come on out? With this stat. I've been waiting.
I'm sitting next to you trying to figure it out,
and I'm waiting. So you wanted to tell me during
the break? Can you can I hear it? Fox has
me do these gambling videos for FS one, Fox Sports,
all that fun stuff, and they basically hired a researcher
to anything I want, I can just ask and they

(01:18:09):
got this researcher helped me out. He came up with
this incredible stat. So, since two thousand and two when
the NFL expanded, what Jacksonville came in or whatever, and
they expanded the playoffs, quarterbacks making their first playoffs start
twelve thirty one and one against the spread, twelve thirty

(01:18:30):
one and one against the spread. Now straight up quarterbacks
making their first playoffs start fourteen and thirty. Okay, now,
who does that apply to? I'm glad you asked Rob.
This year, there are three of them, all right, Josh
Allen of the Buffalo Bills, Ryan Tannehill of the Titans,
Carson Wentz of the Eagles. That's three wild card weekend.

(01:18:53):
Next weekend, there's a big one Jimmy Garoppolo. So you're
saying that, uh, quarterbacks, making their first playoffs start is
usually doesn't go well. All right, how did it go
last year? Let's look at the first time playoff starters
last year? Lamar Jackson Ravens, how do he do? He
lost to the Chargers. Mitchell Trubisky of the Bears loss

(01:19:15):
to the Eagles, all right, and Deshaun Watson of the
Texans lost to the Colts. Okay, So I lost last
year first time playoffs starters all you've given me? Well, well,
I just gave you twelve thirty one and one against
the spread. I e do not bet on first time
playoff quarterbacks fourteen and thirty straight up. So two years ago,

(01:19:36):
I looked Jared Goff of the Rams first start at
home against the Falcons, loss the one win. Marcus mary
Yoda of the Titans. They were trailing the Chiefs twenty
one to three at halftime, Mariota has an incredible comeback
and they win twenty two twenty one. Remember to choke
job by Andy Reid and the Chiefs. Um So, I

(01:19:56):
don't know how much you want to put that into
Josh Allen, who's on the road is an underdog. Ryan
Tannehill road underdog, and Carson wentz home underdog. But I
think our producer is hot for the Jimmy G forty
nine ers. Now we don't know who they're playing next week.
Jimmy G has been pretty good this year. There were
some moments where of his dice, but they're they're gonna

(01:20:17):
be the one. They're the one seedy and um, we
saw what they did Seattle. They will play the worst
remaining seat. Well they barely beat Seattle. Yeah, but they
went up to Seattle with a lot on the line.
They got the win, and what happened at home? They
lost to Seattle in overtime. I'm just talking about with
with the number one seed, you know, hanging in the balance,

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they went on the road and one again. That was impressive.
I don't think the forty nine ers want to see
Russ Wilson for the third time this year. He is
an incredible quarterback. I wouldn't want to face him. And
here's the other part. So according to your stats, they
will lose the first game because they got a rookie,
the first time starter. But Vegas has them as the
team that's coming out of the NFC, so this could

(01:21:02):
throw a monkey wrench in everything. Is that what you
tell them. He's saying it needs what You're good. I
got the number time. What are you tell them? You're
telling me that you don't think that the forty nine
ers with Jimmy g is gonna win their first playoff
game after they Well, it's tough to say that because
who are they gonna play. If they have to play Seattle,
it's gonna be a dog fight. Seattle knows them well.
Russell Wilson is an incredible quarterback. He will keep anybody

(01:21:24):
in the game. But I don't think they get by
the Eagles, So that would mean possibly forty nine Ers
play who Saints Vikings. I mean, that's the problem. We
don't know who the forty niners are gonna play. If
you focus it on this weekend, you seem to like
Ryan Tannehill of the Titans. I do. Are you aware

(01:21:44):
he's owing six in his career in Foxburg? Yeah? I
got it. But I also like the Henry and their
running game, and I think that's what we'll do the men,
as long as Tannehill does not turn the ball over,
does not give Tom Brady a short field if they can,
if they can run the football, Jason, Yeah, and not
turn the ball over and that's how they've been winning.

(01:22:06):
It's not that impressive. If Tannehill can do that, they
can beat the Patriots. Okay, so I just looked it up.
Rushing defense. According to Football Outsiders, the Patriots have the
sixth best rushing defense in the NFL. You think Derrick
Henry's getting loose against the sixth best run defense? I do, yep,
I do. I don't know. I think the Patriots are
one of the better bets this weekend. So who would

(01:22:28):
you have more faith in here? Carson Wentz at home
or Josh Allen on the road. Carson Wins just the
way he's been playing with nothing. I would go with
Carson Wins. He's played some of his best football. I
think you liked this line where I said Carson Wentz
was throwing two guys pulled out of an activity church scene.
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Patrick Show. Happy New Year, everybody. I am Jason McIntyre
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Patrick and company. It is a happy new year for me,
Rob Parker. I hope it's been happy for you. I
love the new year, fresh start. Everybody is friendly on
social media. Everybody's in a good mood. Come on, man,

(01:23:32):
I'm all good sports fans out there. Probably got lucky
on New Year's Eve, went out. You know what are
you talking about a lot of shod morning morningtime. Here's
a fun story, Rob. So Uh last week I went
to the grocery store with my daughter, Yes, how does she? Uh? Seven? Okay?
And um, you know I run into this guy who

(01:23:53):
I know, Um, I played basketball with him. He has
a kid in my daughter's class. And he says, hey,
I heard you on the Dan Patrick's Show today. I
was like, oh wow, you know, because uh, you don't.
You don't know who's listening right right We're being listened
to it what probably all fifty states, and you never
have any idea who's listening and he was like, yeah,
it was good. Who was the guy with you? And

(01:24:15):
I said it was Rob Parker. Oh, like Nan, he is,
he's angry and a lot of people really And I
was like, is that the vibe you got? And he's like,
oh yeah, he was pretty worked up. And I was like, well,
you know, I kind of do a good job of
putting Rob in that position to get all fired, to
get all worked up. Yeah, I mean to do it
like Chris Brussard does no every button to push, you

(01:24:37):
know that, and he pushes them. A matter of fact,
Chris will be back tonight. He had a couple of
days off with a holiday, so tonight the odd couple
of Fox Sports Radio seven to ten pm. Oh gosh,
you're doing morning. You're taking a nap after this. I
got AM five seventy. I'm doing three radio shows today. Yeah.
I thought I had a tough I gotta home. I'm
a grinder. What did I tell you? I gotta do

(01:24:58):
a quick shower, put on a nice outfit and go
to Fox. And we're doing our NFL Picks video or
Facebook thing with Calherd too. Like we are working hard,
what do we get to break? That's all right? Break.
You know who looks like they're ready to get back
into the working, uh, the working world, and that's Urban Meyer.
Big report this morning from Bruce Feldman of Fox Sports

(01:25:22):
that there is interest strong from the Browns to Urban Meyer.
You're not shocked by that that the Browns would be
interested in and I think it's a brilliant move for
the Browns to be interested in Urban Meyer. U. It
will certainly uh expedite the process that Jerry Jones has
with Jason Garrett. But I don't know. To me Urban Meyer,

(01:25:47):
mister Ohio. I mean, this is a guy who led
Ohio State to greatness, one of the greatest college football
coaches in the history of the sport with three rings. Uh.
He's won everywhere he's gone. He is a leader of
men on the football field. And if the Browns land
Urban Meyer, I think that is one of the biggest

(01:26:07):
hires in the NFL in recent memory. I mean, this
is a home This crushes the John Gruden to the
Raiders stuff. Okay, I know we do have some Raiders
fans here, so I have to be careful and don't
forget John Gruden did win a Super Bowl. Okay, I'm
just saying, come on, don't get me started on Gruden
as an overrated fraud. Enjoy Las Vegas by the way, John,

(01:26:30):
But urban Meyer to the Browns first, let's start here.
Do you believe there's any chance of that happening? A
small chance, But I don't. I'm not so convinced, only
because I'm not sure that he wants Does he want
to go into the NFL? Does he want to work
for the Browns and the Haslem family, right, which has
gone done nothing but go through coaches in general managers? Right, yeah,

(01:26:52):
since they bought the team. So I'm looking at that
and I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure how,
And then I'm not sure to is he? Is he
a Baker Mayfield guy? As he liked Baker Mayfield. Did
Baker Mayfield take a big step backwards in year two
in the NFL? Absolutely massive step back? All well? I mean,
but again, like you know, part of the fix of

(01:27:13):
the Browns processes you got to have a quarterback to
push him. Baker Mayfield is now thinks that he's the man.
He has like a good seven game run last season. Oh,
I'm the starter, I'm in fifty commercials on TV, right,
I'm the man. He now he's getting into dust ups
with um Cincinnati Bengals fans. By the way, we haven't
even talked about that video. Did you see it? I

(01:27:34):
did not see the meatball in the stands at the
Bengals is recording Urban is recording Baker Mayfield, who's getting
warmed up in the tunnel with his teammates, and this
guy yells, you're gonna lose to the one and fourteen Bengals,
and some other guy behind him goes, you're like basically
compared Baker to Johnny Manziel and Baker Mayfield shouts back,
why don't you come down here and say that to
my face? Why? Then Baker says some kind of some

(01:27:58):
F bomb or something um, and it was like, dude,
this stuff never happens to Russell Wilson, never happens to
Lamar Jackson. Does act like you don't hear it. Yeah,
that's all you gotta avoid conflict banker has not done
a good job, you gotta ignore it. And the same thing.
That's why this year where he said I'm not changing.
I am who I am and I'm gonna be who
I am. Sometimes when you're sometimes when you're the face

(01:28:21):
of a franchise and you're leading other men. You have
to bite your tongue. You have to do what's best
for the organization and not be so uh, you know,
triggered every time somebody says something. Everybody's not gonna like you, Jason.
Everybody's not gonna be on your bandwagon. It's okay, well
in my bandwagon. Yes, Baker mayfields No, I mean but

(01:28:41):
but but change is an interesting comment. So m Baker
said he doesn't want to change. Dude, you're twenty five,
You're in the NFL. You're a grown up. You've got
to change, right, Rob. You're different than you were at
twenty five. Hell, you're different than you were two years
ago before you got odd couple. That's to change in mature,
grow in life. It's so important. And you can't be

(01:29:03):
the same guy that you were as a rookie college
kid like you got involved. You don't have to sell
yourself out. But there's a different responsibility with coming with
coming with you know what I mean, situations or job
that you may have. Yeah, So that that's the difference.
And I wanted to to talk about change a little
bit and growth, because um, you know, I have this

(01:29:23):
theory that you know, it's not really a theory, but
we don't always see growth, okay growth you know, think
of a fruit that's growing on a tree. You don't
look at it one day that come at them, look
at that and the next day and there's no big
difference in the fruit growing on the trees. Both is gradual.
You don't really see it. It just happens over time.

(01:29:45):
And Jason Garrett has been the coach of the Cowboys
for nine years now, have you BLUs, have you seen
growth from Jason Garrett? Uh? No, I really that's a
bad thing. Well, it is a bad thing. But I
think Jason Garrett for all these years and the reason
that he stuck around is that he was basically the

(01:30:07):
front man for Jerry Jones, who really wanted to coach
the team, and Jason took that role and embraced it.
Never pushed back, do you know what I mean. Let
Jerry do his thing, and that's why he got to
stick around. No other coach in pro sports I'm talking
about the four major sports in this country have lasted
as long as he has and not won a championship.

(01:30:30):
Marvin Lewis in Cincinnati currently who had like ten years
you know what I mean, current, I never won a championship.
You don't get you don't get to stick around that long.
And you write to Martin Lewis he stuck around in
Cincinnati for whatever. It's like oh and seven in the Bengals,
just in the playoffs and the Bengals, which is crazy,
right right at some point. So all I'm saying is

(01:30:52):
in that case, uh, the Jason Garrett thing, I don't
get it. I don't understand he missed the playoffs seven
out of the ten years, right, seven out of ten
you missed the playoffs. How many guys in the NFL
get to stick around that long? I mean, geez, we
see an NFL move on from quarterbacks. I mean Marcus Mariota,

(01:31:12):
he won one playoff game, he got dusted, he's out.
Andy Dalton again, made multiple playoff games, ever won one.
He'd see you, you know, trying out new quarterbacks, like
everybody gets a chance. Like, can you make an argument
at all, Rob that there's a case to bring back
Jason Garrett because he's got his third meeting today with
Jerry Jones. You've worked together for nine years, nine plus.

(01:31:37):
You knew late in the season. It all came down
to that Eagles game, which when they lost the game,
basically that was gonna be with it. You could bring
him back. That was like ten days ago, maybe longer.
What do we need three meetings for? Is your theory
that they're trying to keep him in some capacity? I
believe that Otherwise, Jason, it doesn't make any sense. And
you could say, well, his contracts not officially up until

(01:31:59):
January fourteen, You're still not coming back. You're still not
going to be the coach of the Cowboys. So you
could dress it up anyway you want. Have you been fired? Yes, right,
you're not coming back in the same position. I believe
that they're looking for what if they can't get a
better name? What if Lincoln says no? What if Urban

(01:32:19):
Myers says not? What if nat Rule says now? I
don't believe that. I think that'll be a hard sell,
even people in that building, that he would be back
as coach after they lost to the depleted Eagles and
didn't even get a touchdown in that game. What do
you mean hard sell to the building? Fans are gonna
show up and stop. I'm just I'm just saying people
will not be happy about that, and I think, well,
I think Jerry does care. Otherwise he would have announced

(01:32:41):
already's coming back. Otherwise what would be what would be
the hold up? So that's why I'm just telling you.
If Jerry really said, I don't care what anybody thinks,
I don't care what the Cowboy fans think, that he
could have easily announced even after they lost, that Jason
is going to get a new contract and will be back.
That he didn't do that because even Jerry knows he

(01:33:03):
can't bring this back. He cannot bring this back to
the Cowboy fans and expect people to buy into Jerry Johns.
The third meeting season has been over for what felt
four or five days now, Like, what if Jerry is
putting out feelers to see who his next coaches, because listen,
the grass ain't always greener, Rob, You know that if
he can't get a big name Urban, maybe he's negotiating

(01:33:25):
with Urban Meyer, maybe he's talking to Lincoln Riley. But
I'm telling you right now, who you gonna get that
you trust more than a guy who's been in the
building nine years kicking you to the playoffs three seasons.
I think they won one or two playoff games? Is
it won under Garrett? One or no? I think two too? Yeah?
They beat your Lions and then the Seahawks, you know,

(01:33:46):
and then not my Lions. Please? Yeah, Well are you certain?
Are you certain you're gonna get a guy better than
Jason Garrett? Yes? I could probably cover my eyes and
throw a stone out into the New York metropolitan area
hit somebody who could do what Jason Garrett's done. Wow,
Oh my gosh, I'm sorry. I'm just I don't have

(01:34:08):
you tell me what Garrett does? How about that? What
does he do? What if I told you? Just not
buying the Jason Garrett turned a fourth round draft pick,
I think third or fourth Dak Prescott into a thirty
million dollars quarterback. Okay, who gets credit for that? Jason
Garrett should get some, right? Have you seen Jay? Have
you seen Dak Prescott against some of the better teams

(01:34:30):
in the better defense, night and day. He's getting paid
for done, he's done. He's getting he's getting paid because
that's just the market that's out there for quarterbacks. It's
not based on just totally numbers or beating anybody. Let me,
I'm not buying that didn't even make the playoffs. That shit.
They started out three and ozero and four and one
and didn't make the playoffs. Let me ask you this,

(01:34:50):
if you're Jason Garrett and Jerry says, Jason, I love
you like a son. I want you to stay in
the building. I want you to be in a some
some garbage VP title. Do you think Jason Garrett staying
in it? Yes? I believe that his relationship with Jerry.
I don't see him getting another head coaching job. You

(01:35:10):
think the Giants are gonna introduce Jason Garrett as their
head coach? What team could introduce Jason Garrett who missed
the playoffs seven out of ten times? What a straight
face could bring Jason Garrett to a podium and say
here's a new coach to the franchise. Name a team.
So not even the Browns could do that. So what
is Jerry doing? Third meeting since the season, and what

(01:35:32):
the hell's he doing? Dragging his feet? He's massaging the
whole idea of trying to comfort the landing spot and
just keep telling Jason, I want to find a place
for you. You can help this organization, just not as
the head coach, but I need you, I need you.
He's trying to convince Jason Garrett to take a job
in the front office and to make it look good.

(01:35:52):
You know why, because because Jay. Because also it make
Jerry look good that Jerry didn't fail, that Jerry didn't
pick the law failed. Jar's failed for two bud. But
in his mind, he didn't fire Jason Garrett. He promoted
him to the front office. I'm just telling you that's
if he tries to pull that, nobody's fallen for that. Now,
I will say this, Jason Garrett is a by all accounts,

(01:36:13):
a nice human being. He's a good individual, you know.
You know Goldie oor guy at Fox. Yes, Uh he was.
I hope I'm not speaking out of pocket here. He
was at the beach and Jason Garrett and his wife
were like, you know, walking and Goldie and his buddies said, hey,
it's Jason Garrett. And Jason Garrett like came up and
hung out with him. You've heard the story, right, hung
out with him for like the night and like playing
dominoes or whatever they were doing, playing cards, And Jason

(01:36:36):
Garrett's like the nicest guy. He goes out at the
center of Cowboys stadium after games with his family, like
he's a good guy. I'm not trying to shovel dirt
on the guy. But but it's not about being a
good guy. That's not what we're talking about. No, you
can't know what we're talking about. We're talking about the
job that he's done as a Cowhood guy. But maybe
that's why Jerry's having second thoughts and the good guy,

(01:36:58):
the good the good guy stuff that one right here
that I'm just not buying into that. Whenever we're talking
about Jason Garrett, we're talking about the job he's done
as football coach, not about whether he's a good husband,
a father or no that that that's nothing matters at all.
They asked the matter a little bit, but that doesn't
matter enough for him to keep his job when he

(01:37:18):
hasn't got the job. I think it makes it much
easier rob to fire somebody. If you go to dinner
with somebody and they treat the waiter like crap, you
know what's only a matter of time until they treat
you like crap. Those people are easy to fire. A
guy like Jason Garrett at family man, nice human being.
It makes it difficult to fire those guys. Agree or disagree.
I disagree. I just think you gotta fire people based

(01:37:39):
on on the merit of the job that they did.
There were a lot of nice people in sports. There
were a lot, and some of them are bad at
their jobs. Those people need to be fired. It's just
that temple. Shockingly, I disagree. Coming up next year on
The Dan Patrick Show, which NFL back is under the

(01:38:01):
most pressure heading into the NFL playoffs. I have my list,
Rob's list as usual as crazy. We'll have the answers next.
I'm Jason McIntyre. He's Rob Parker. We're in for Dan Patrick.
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(01:38:22):
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NFL wild Card weekend is this weekend? Very fired up? Boy?
You know Rob, I did say I don't like to
go on social media. During the show, Rob is very

(01:38:43):
on his phone. He is just all up on what
are you? Are you talking to chicks on the Grand?
I gotta feed the gram? You know what? Do you
love the Grand? With information and knowledge? That's what I'm
all these honeys. I'm engaged. He's all up in your DM.
I'm no Rob, I'll go to Antarctica with you next
time you need a companion. Usks out there and I

(01:39:07):
guess might take that the brown's job is more attractive
than the cowboys is like in the Dallas cowboy world
now and all these jabronies are coming after me and like,
oh yeah, you're saying all this stuff. I'm like, this
is why I don't go on social media. So I'm
killing him with the kindness. This is what Will Blackman
tells me. Just kill him with the kindness, I say,

(01:39:28):
I'd rather just ignore. So I'm saying happy New Year
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minutes left in the show. This topic is we're probably
going to disagree a lot on which quarterback in the

(01:40:10):
NFL playoffs is under the most pressure. I want your
definition of pressure. What is pressure? I mean pressure to like,
he needs to succeed, he has to win. And I
think it's Lamar Jackson with the Baltimore Ravens, the year
that he had, the impact that he had, the idea
that he's now changed the league. These old time executives

(01:40:34):
now have to take a look at guys like him
because of what he's been able to do and where
the Ravens are now. If he loses in the playoffs,
all of the naysayers who say you can't win a
super Bowl with a running quarterback, we'll be able to say,
see we told you. Like I think that people believe,
like his season has been so off the charts, he

(01:40:56):
has to win the super Bowl to change people's mind.
So I think there's a sure that's involved, and we
saw it last year. He ran all over the last
year the LA Chargers right near the end of the
season in the regular season game. They stopped him in
the first half of the playoff game, and fans were

(01:41:17):
crying that they wanted uh the Ravens to take him
out of the game and to go back to Joe
Flacco because they were down and you can't run. You
need somebody who can throw. When you get behind, you
get behind two scores. The running game changes all of
a sudden, right, So so I think they need to

(01:41:38):
back up. No, so I think there's pressure on him
to win. So you would say the most pressure on
Lamar Jackson. But you said something if he doesn't win
a super Bowl, you made the leap from a playoff
game to super Bowl. But you're gonna say the same
thing for Tom Brady. He's gotta win the super Bowl. No, no, no,
Now you gotta say the same thing for Brady. Doesn't
have to Urson wins. He's gotta win the No, no no, no,
I don't. I don't none of those guys. So Tom

(01:42:00):
Brady wins one game and then loses, its a failure.
I'm just trying to set up is going to go
through well, people will accept it and expect it. A
lot of people don't have the Patriots getting to the
AFC Championship Game or even winning it, so they've never
gotten to the super Bowl unless they were a one
or two soon. But this simony thing is if if

(01:42:20):
they lose to the Titans, that would be bad. That
would be the bad one. If they lose in the
second round right at the Chiefs, they will they will
be almost certainly they will be an underdog exactly if
they lose that game, people will go, well, we didn't
expect them. Tom Brady's forty two. The team wasn't that good.
They lost to a lot of Also, most of the
good teams when they did play, they would be acceptable.

(01:42:42):
Carson Winch has a lot of injuries, so nobody would
buy into that. If he wanted went to the super Bowl,
it would be unbelievable when you consider how beating down
and battered. I disagree with Lamar Jackson that fucking year
quarterback no hes like twenty five NFL starts. You expect
him to win the super Bowl with second year, with
what he did this year, a great season. Dan Marino

(01:43:05):
went to the Super Bowl in his second year after
never got back there. Nobody got there in his second year,
gotten to the super Bowl in their second I'm telling
you of the legendary quarterbacks, Dan Marino did it. And
my point is it can be done. It can be
And if he doesn't, if he gets knocked out in
the first in their first playoff game and they don't
get there and they fall behind and he can't run

(01:43:27):
and he has to stand in the pocket and throw
and he can't get it done, people will say, see,
that's why you can't use a running quarterback, because you
can't win. I would put of four guys the most pressure.
I would say it's a it's a tossing. Lamar Jackson's one,
Jimmy Garoppolo is another. He is a massively high paid quarterback,

(01:43:48):
has never been to the playoffs. The never a playoff
there head of schedule that team. So we're the Ravens.
Nobody had the Ravens going to the super Bowl in
the preseason. Come on, Kirk Cousins. A big spot for
Kirk Cousins. I have been a staunch Kirk Cousins defender. Um,
he needs to win here, by the way, UH get

(01:44:09):
out from his contract and move on from him. He
only got that three year deal. Kirk Cousins needs to
win now that winning in New Orleans is massive at
least a good game from Kirk Cousins. People to beat
the Saints, shocking, and then I'm gonna go with the
other one and listen, people are gonna disagree. But Carson
Wentz needs to show up here. First playoff game for

(01:44:31):
Carson Wentz at home and Nick Foles has won a
super Bowl. Okay, Nick Foles got out of the first
round twice. Rob If Carson Wentz can't get out of
the first round, does a bad look for Carson Wentz,
who has a massive contract. No, it's not what he
was able to do to even get to the playoffs.

(01:44:52):
But garbage team the Giants twice, the Redskins of the Cowboys.
No but that, But that Cowboy game was a huge
game that he got done. Considering all the guys are
banged up and battered, you don't expect the Eagles to
make a run. I think Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz has
to have a good game. I'm not saying make a run.
Carson Wentz is the fourth highest paid quarterback in the NFL.
It's funny that he hasn't won a playoff game. It's

(01:45:12):
funny that you say this when it comes to Carson Wentz,
But when it's Jim Harbaugh, who's the third highest, you
don't have a problem with where he is. Well, Jim Harball,
he's winning a lot of games. No, I don't know,
he hasn't won any big games like Carson wins it.
Carson Wentz has never played a playoff game. But I'm
just saying, you want him to win a playoff game,
but you don't. You all right at home that Jim
harbatter didn't have to get into the playoffs an underdog,

(01:45:33):
and all the games he loses, he wins the games
he's supposed to win. All No, that's a fair point.
Hardball is highly paid, but he's winning. Carson went highly paid,
but his backup he just won the division. Carson Wentz,
he stayed healthy all year, but his backup who they
booted out of town won a Super Bowl. Be Belichat
and his backup who they booted out of town. Whenever
they give him the starting job turns into a pump kis.

(01:45:55):
He does, but he turned into a pump kind on
the road in Chicago last year in the playoffs he won. Okay,
but I'm just saying he won. Harball's guys won because
miss field goal. But he did there, Rob, he tried
to flip it on me. Ah, that was good, Parker.
I like that. I'm listening to you. That means you're listening.
I do worry sometimes you're on the Graham talking to
the lad I'm good, by the way. Follow me on Instagram,

(01:46:16):
Dad Patrick, audience, I don't have as much playboy stuff
as Rob Parker. Please Rob Parker next up on the
Dan Patrick Show. See that Finally I got a segue
right there. Uh, we're gonna talk to Tom Lucan bill
college football analysts. We're gonna talk a little bit about
the Tua tongueovloa situation and uh to a good job

(01:46:37):
on that. Tah says he's going to a pronunciation of
his name. Yeah, I had to practice. He uh says
he's gonna announce his decision on January sixth, which is
crazy to me. Um, We'll see Rob. I can't understand
how he could possibly come back to college, but maybe
maybe he thinks that he's gonna go to the line,
so he might want to stay in college rather than

(01:46:58):
get drafted. Matt Stafford is not playing football anymore, so
joining us now. Tom Luganville, ESPN college football analyst Tom.
Good morning, How are you? What's happening? Happy New Year?
Happy new Year to you guys too. Man, it's great
to be with you. And boy, what a football game
we had yesterday between Michigan and Alabama. Yeah, Michigan shut
out in the second half. Rob will take an opportunity

(01:47:20):
to go after Jim Harball for that. No, I want
to talk to Tom. No real quick, Yeah, fire away. No,
and Tom, the numbers are just horrific when you talk
about Jim Harbor when they play the better schools. He's
owing five against Ohio State, He's one and ten as
an underdog, four and nine against their rivals, one and
four in bowl games bowl games, including fourth straight. He's

(01:47:43):
now lost ten straight to top fifteen teams on the road.
And he's the third highest paid coach in college football?
Has he gotten a job done at Michigan? And I
say no, No, I agree with you in everything that
you just mentioned because those aren't debatable subjective opinion. Those
are facts. Those are the results. I'll give you another one.

(01:48:06):
They have three wins versus top ten teams since two
and twelve. Three It's unbelievable. And they just for whatever reason.
And listen, some of that is going back to two
thousand and twelve. That's prior to Jim Hobball. So this
is either an institutional locker room chemistry, whatever it is.
For some reason, this team cannot answer the toll when

(01:48:30):
they're expected to perform well against the better teams under
their schedule. And I've tried to peel back the layers.
And this was the second time our crew had had
Michigan this year. We've had them a couple of times
in the last few years, and it's it's the head scratcher,
it really is. And they're just I will say this though,
I don't think they have as good of players on

(01:48:50):
offense as maybe people think they do. I think they're
pretty good football poom on defense, but offensively, they're not
as talented is I believe people assume they are. And
Tom people thought that Hardball was a quarterback guy, right,
I thought that was his thing. And where was the
quarterback that they got from Michigan? I thought he's an

(01:49:11):
NFL coach, right, who did wonders what Colin Kaepernick, who
who had Andrew luck in college, that that guys would
want to go play for him if you were a
top quarterback coming out of high school. Well, the thing
that's that's amazing about that is the quarterback position coming
out of high school has changed so dramatically that the

(01:49:32):
Andrew lux and the true prototypical under center dropped back.
Classic guys. They're they're kind of an endangered species right now.
The position is morphed into athleticism, the ability to expend plays, create,
move the pocket, have the quarterback, and being be involved
in the run game. I thought yesterday from a coach's perspective,

(01:49:56):
they had a really nice plan. They just didn't use
it enough. As it were late to the quarterback when
they ran Shane Patterson, Michigan or Alabama didn't have an
answer on defense, but they only did it a few times.
They were a team that I felt lost some opportunities
to utilize the strength of their quarterback, which is his athleticism,
And maybe that's just something that's a hard pill for

(01:50:19):
Jim and the offense to swallow. Josh Gaddis, I think again,
had a decent plan going in. They just didn't utilize
the strength of Jafe p Addison. All Right, we're talking
with Tom Lugan, bill ESPN college football analyst here on
the Dan Patrick Show. All Right, Tom, let's go to
the other side of the foot game yesterday Alabama and Tua.
I can't fathom a scenario where he would return. I

(01:50:42):
feel like it's just not nice that people are even
telling him, Hey, you're missing out on some money. You know,
stick around, Tom. There's no this is an open and
shut decision, right he has to go to the NFL. Ah, Guys,
I don't think he's gonna wow. I think he's going
to stay and listen if that happens, I think you're

(01:51:02):
going to see three players that are draft eligible, that
are under classy from Alabama that will go. They'll see
Jedrick Wills the offensive tackle. You'll see is Jah Harris
the running back, and of course Jerry Judy. All right,
here's what I think is going through the mind of
Tuah and his family. Conversations you cad with Nick stave
in the conversations he's had with the medical folks, is

(01:51:24):
proving his durability, because that's the one thing in draft
preparation when you're trying to say we're going to invest
fifty million dollars in this guy's he going to be
there every week. And the problem for Tua is he
can't get in front of scouts and work out and
prove that prior to the draft. And I think that

(01:51:46):
concerns him. And so if he goes does does his
stock drop in terms of draft value? Yes, that doesn't
mean that his talent value drops. People know and think
and believe, and he's a top five pick. But when
you have some red flags come up that made lower
your value. Now with that meaning that for Chua, you know,

(01:52:08):
dropping down into twenty twenty four twenty five range put
him with a better ball club, Yeah, it does. But
at the same time, if you come back you stay healthy,
you're talking about a difference the thirty five forty million
dollars if you end up being in the top two
to three pick with Trevor Lawrence next year. I have

(01:52:28):
a hard time believing that if two would come back
with the people around him, he stays healthy, improves it,
he's not going to be lower the number two. But
did you anything Tom, what if he comes back and
gets hurt again? Yeah, he's been hurt twice. Tom, what
if you question if you come back, if you come
back and get hurt, now you're done. You're you are done.
And that's the challenge for him and his family right now.

(01:52:49):
If that's the risk that you weigh, and you're right, Listen,
he's had the two ankle situations, the hit situation. It's true.
Freshman year he got banged up with a knee. It's
I he didn't, you know, miss up this time. But
he has a distinct background of being injured and that's
going to scare people off from value. So you guys, right,
I don't disagree with you. There is something about this

(01:53:11):
kid though, for some reason, how he values the college
experience and how he values the University of Alabama, right,
wrong or indifferent, there seems to be a lot more
weight being placed on him at his mind than maybe
there would be for other draft eligible prospects. So we'll
see how it all turns out. Yeah, Tom, don't you
think that he could look back at history and see

(01:53:31):
that almost almost any quarterback who's stayed has had their
stock drop. I mean, justin Herbert stuck around Oregon and
he got passed by Joe Burrow. I work with a
guy here, Matt Leinart. I mean we've talked about this plenty,
Matt Barkley from USC. The more tape they have on you,
the more they break you down. And given to his injuries,
I mean, I feel bad, like we're gonna see Justin fields,

(01:53:53):
do you know how to stay quarterback? I mean, he
looked phenomenal this year. He's only gonna get better. Like
I just I would feel bad. And do you really
think two could drop to the twenties? I mean, there's
so many quarterback needy teams in the top, like eleven.
I mean that seems a little far for him to
drop into the twenties. Well, it could, and again, it
all depends on how each individual team places a premium

(01:54:14):
under ability. For some teams they're gonna look at him,
they're gonna say, we're not worried about it. Other teams
are gonna look at it and they're gonna lower him
down on the board. So somewhere in there, you're gonna
fall maybe in the tend to twin range. But I
mean we'll listen. We've seen really good players drop beyond that.
I think gaming will draft completely healthy that could quarterback position,
and so it's a it is a monumental life altering

(01:54:36):
decision that this young man's got to make. There is
a ton of risk which ever way he does, and
I listen, I certainly want to wouldn't want to have
to make that choice. I think he's just torn, guys emotionally,
is emotionally torn because I think he really wants to
play at the University of Alabama. I really do. And
if he can, if he medically has got his consultation

(01:54:57):
that he's been speaking from the voices, it will feed
the NFL the information after an examination. That's what the
decision is going to be based upon. It's gonna be
a medical decision. Good stuff. Tom Luganville ESPN College Football
anas Adanalyist. You can follow him on Twitter at Tom Luganville.
Hey Tom, thanks a lot so much. Good stuff. Have
a great new year. Uh yeah, that was Tom lugan Bill.

(01:55:19):
Interesting stuff. I disagree with a lot of it. We
gotta get we gotta break here. Coming up next, we
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(01:55:43):
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If you hit me up on social media with a
J MAC, it makes me feel good because then you
know me really jam yeah, Jay money, because I'm straight
cash homie? Is that what you are? Straights wown't me?

(01:56:04):
I'm an old guy, but you're on the Graham. Rob
Parker has more followers of me on Instagram. He's like,
big time, stop it. I'm Patriots hopping around for a
long time. Come on, man, you know I started my
thirty fourth year. Thirty fourth year and what in the business.
Oh wow, that's a long time. About to turn thirty
four later this month, so I'm catching up. You're about
to turn back here on the Day Patrick Show, brought

(01:56:28):
to you by Mercedes amg Um. Rob. This next story, listen,
We're gonna close it out with whatever you want. We
go after people can settle your debts. You got Vendetta's
against whoever. Go for it. But I don't. There is
a story. I almost didn't believe this when the producer
Rob g hit me up and said, do we have

(01:56:51):
the audio. I don't know if there's audio. Carmelo Anthony
played against the Knicks last night the Garden, and he
had a good game, and they lost. Portland did but
Carmelo apparently looked up at the rafters during the national
anthem and thought, boy, I would love to have my
jersey retired in New York. And then he told the

(01:57:14):
media that afterward, Rob, I'm gonna let you take this first,
because as a Knicks fan, I need to calm down
before I go off. I just feel bad for Carmelo.
I really, he's a great basketball player. He had an
unbelievable You saw what he did to help Jim Beheim
win his only national championship at Syracuse. Right, Carmelo was
as good as it gets. It was great to watch.

(01:57:35):
He's won medals in the Olympic Dream Team for the
United States. But he didn't do anything at the New
York Knicks to warrant your jersey being retired. I just
I do not get what this whole thing is. I
know he was born in Brooklyn, I know he was
raised in Baltimore. He has this thing for New York

(01:57:56):
and I get it, and I think it's great, but
to openly campaign to have your jersey retired and to
put that out in the uniform and the universe just
just feels weird and doesn't make sense. Does that make
sense to you? It just doesn't. I gotta remain calm,
rob because sometimes I go in on Mellow as a
Knicks fan. It hurt me his era. I wanted him

(01:58:17):
in New York so badly. He was a failure. You
always talk about he didn't win a championship. This guy
didn't even get to the conference finals. He won one
playoff series, right, that's it. Yeah, it's a failure and
you colossal failure. And you can't even look at it
that way where you say, well, Patrick Ewins didn't win anything.
He went to the twice twice, not even was seventeen

(01:58:40):
times the player Carmelo and I don't want to hear
any arguments about that, No, But I mean I'll be
some people while well you ain't didn't win a championship.
It you was a great New York Nick by the way,
it was going up against Michael Jordan in the East, Okay,
and the only time he got to the finals was
when Jordan went to play baseball. Who's Carmelo going up
against an East I agree here, any the Carmelo was

(01:59:01):
a failure in New York. Now, listen, I will say this.
Carmelo Anthony was a tremendous offensive basketball player nobody, but
his time in New York was bad. He didn't win
Jack Squat and really he had Hall of Famers on
his team with Jason Kidd and that was the only
time he won. Listen, the only time he got to
the conference finals in the West with Denver led the team.

(01:59:25):
And you remember Chauncey had come from Detroit, Yeah, where
they had gone to the Eastern Conference finals three times
in a row, and Chaunty came and then took the
Nuggets to the Western Conference final. Chauncey went the four
straight conference finals in a row. Yeah, but it was Chauncey.
It's weird this internet rob Maybe you couldn't explain this
to me, but like, social media is all in on

(01:59:47):
Carmelo Anthony. But he's the greatest player ever. They loved
Derek Rose to know. I mean, I don't get this.
What am I missing here? They can't stand They love
hating on Curry, They love hating on Lebron and they
love Derrick Rose and they love Carmelo Anthy. What is that?
Help me explain? I don't get it makes a no
freaking sense. I don't get it either. As good as

(02:00:10):
they are and they're great players, that's not the issue.
It's uh the idea that he would come back to
Madison Square Garden, look up at the rafters, He's say
not worthy, and then say, oh, yeah, you know you're
gonna put him next to who willis Reid? You know
what I mean? Who's Mark Jackson had a better Knicks

(02:00:31):
career than Carmelo Anthony. I don't get it, and I
don't I don't understand Carmelo doing that and getting people
all worked up. And I don't know is he trying
to put the pressure on the Knicks. He was able
to get back into the league group for him and
nobody wanted this guy. I just didn't get it. Three
months ago, Carmelo Anthony one of the most overrated NBA

(02:00:52):
players in the last twenty years. I'm serious, I I
just don't. I don't understand why people are obsessed with him.
I mean, listen, I don't want to go in like
sometimes and this maybe maybe this is wrong with me,
Rob But if people are a good human beings off
the court, that counts for something. In my book, Lebron

(02:01:13):
is by all accounts a good human being. No drama,
no arrests, but no baby mama drama. And don't tell
me that the Lebrons, that's, by the way, totally false.
But but Lebron has never got in trouble Carmelo Anthony
off the court. It's not like he'd been a model citizen. Yeah.
But but but that's not why, Matt, that's not why
you should have your number retired because you're a good guy.

(02:01:34):
It's about your your accomplishments. What you did to the
basketball friends. Basketball was vastly overrated. He was a great
offensive talent and that's it. Never wanted to play defense. Okay,
he never was a good passer. He was just a
good scorer. There's a billion good scorers in NBA history,
Dominiqu Wilkins or Carmelo Anthony. Who had a better career

(02:01:57):
you got, of course, no doubt. I just don't understand it.
I agree with you. He has a huge following. People
are big into him. I tell you, when I watched
him win that Championship at Syracuse. He was spectacular, I mean,
as good as it gets. It was a great run.
He was fun, he enjoyed every minute of it. But

(02:02:18):
the NBA and especially at the end, even when he
was making a round. You remember he was making the
rounds on the sports debate shows. Basically, it came off
like he was begging for a job. Do you mean
to tell me I'm not one to fund your guys
to deserve a job in the league. Do you remember
those comments? Yeah? All right? He would even have to
say that I'm getting too heated on mellow. We got
two minutes left in the show, and I have to ask,

(02:02:39):
are you a new Year's resolution guy? Not a resolution guy?
But I make a list of the things I want
to accomplish in the upcoming year. Last year I did
twelve things and I knocked off eleven on the list
both so it could be anything. It was like an
article was on that list last year. Buying a new

(02:03:00):
car was on that Have you told the people what
you got driving around? He's balling, folks, But what else
is you don't have to talk about. But it was
stuff like that. So this shit, I only have like
three or four things, and one is the trip to Russia,
and one is about organizing some stuff in my life,
like like a sneaker collection. That's that's organized. But that's all.

(02:03:23):
I don't do the New Year's resolution. Yeah, what about you,
I'm not really big on that. Um. I'm a routine guy.
I am a creature of habit, and I think building
good habits is key and essential in life to success,
whether it's eating right, working out, working on you know,
material for shows I am. I like to do the

(02:03:43):
same thing every day as much as I can. Now.
I know that can get monotonous for some people, but
it's led me to success, from the website to getting
out here for radio and TV. Um. And that's the
only thing I would say to people. I like the
idea of a list, but also get into a routine
where you're crushing. You know. One thing I cut a
lot of last year is alcohol so I can go
to the gym early in the morning. When you drink

(02:04:04):
every night, you can't wake up early. In grind no no,
and you get into the geno. I'm a grinder. I
know about that. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, So everybody, happy New
Year in twenty twenty. Remember be friendly to Rob and
I on social media, and don't forget to listen to
The Odd Couple. Seven to ten pm Eastern. Chris Brussarda's back,
so'll join us right on Fox. Just as a teaser,

(02:04:25):
there could be a FS one basketball game in Miami
for the Super Bowl, and Chris Boussard, you're going down.

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