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moment Jason Smith again and Rob in today My show
normally nights here on Fox Sports Radio from seven to eleven.
Rob part of the Odd Couple with Chris Broussard every
day from four to seven. And the one thing we
have as far as what's been keeping us going for
the past few weeks is the National Football League, which

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has been the gift that keeps on giving all the time.
I mean, without NFL news, I can't believe what we'd
be talking about the past few days. Rob. I mean,
you know, we have you know obviously with the National
Basketball Association and all the sports thinking about when they're
coming back, but you know, the NFL has been you know,
we've been lucky to get news from them, whether it's
free agency moving on or certain things where where players

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are going. We get into the draft, and if we
didn't have that, it'd be pretty tough. But having this
to you know, kind of fall back on and form
the bare bones of what we do every day. I mean,
this is something at least we could push this forward.
And it's a really nice distraction for everybody to listen to,
no doubt about it, Jason, because you're right, the well
is almost dry, and after the free agent and the

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free agency and the draft, then it'll be very interesting
to see where we can go. And you know, you
just don't want to sit around and do list every day.
You know, some people are doing that because it just
it's nothing but every show, let's list this, Here's what's
the greatest blank of all time? And you can't you
can't do that, you know what I mean. After a

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while that becomes just so passe, so stale. But um, yeah,
the NFL has at least giving us something to talk about,
and um, it's going to be interesting. You know. I
do understand some of the gms who are saying about
the draft, uh, whether or not it should go forward
because they can't meet the people and talk to them.

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And Jason, I think this isn't coming from you know,
some sportswriters or uh talking heads or saying no, there
should be no draft, because look at what's going on
in the country. This is GMS with real things. When
you want to hire somebody, Jason, normally you want to
meet them, don't you, And you really want to get
a field for him. I want to see what kind

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of handshake this guy has. I want to see where
his head is. So I do understand some of the concerns.
It seems like the NFL, regardless to some of the
because for them to even go out and say that
they're gonna find people who who ripped the idea of
or you know, speak out against it says a lot

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that they would have to go to those extremes to
try to silence people who are just saying, we need
more time before we make a decision like this. But
it seems like they hell bent to have the draft
no matter what you know. And that's the thing is
that I think there's been a perspective loss on what
the NFL draft really means at this point, because you know,

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it's it's not just about meeting the players. You know,
it's it's not just about being able to do their job. Look,
Mickey loom has talked about it a few days ago,
so did John Elway. He was he was the last
guy to really say something. And that's when Roger Adell said, Okay,
you're fine if you say something. Because always a really
powerful voice. Who wanted to nip that in the butt.
You know, I get that everybody wants to it. But
also I get the optic. You know, last week I

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talked about on the show, I talked about how on
my show at night, I talked about how, you know,
the more days that go on and the more that
the NFL does business as usual, it's a really bad
optic with what's going on in the country, and it's
it's it's going to be difficult to play it out
that way. And you know, the NFL has been you know,
let's we need the draft, Let's push the draft. Let's
push it, let's do it. And I get it from

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the business angle of, well, look, if we do it now,
who knows what's going to happen in the country in
a few months. If we're able to do if we
postpone it. But my reaction would be, but if we
postpone it and we really can't do it, how important
is the NFL Draft? And that's really where I think
people are missing this right now, is that if we
push the draft and didn't have it right let's just

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say we pushed it and we did it in a
month or two months, whatever it was. After, we're able
to come back. No one's losing jobs, you know. I mean,
the NFL Draft isn't saving lives, you know. And and
there's the whole We need the draft more than ever.
We need it. We need it, we need it. I'm like,
the draft is entertainment, you know, That's what it is.
It's like watching Tiger King. You know that everybody's doing
or what or some kind of of entertainment however you're
doing at home to keep yourself going. You know, it's

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not saving lives. It's the NFL Draft. It's we're gonna
have it at some point. It's gonna happen, We're gonna
have a show. There's gonna be pageantry about it. But
it really is a part of entertainment right now. And
just because people are bored and I well, we got
to have the Draft. I'm going crazy. Okay, Well it's
only it's been a couple of weeks, you know, and
and really that's the place of this. This is nice.

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It's good to talk about because it gets everybody's attention
away from from everyday life. And that's awesome. We're going
to get into two a tug of viola his situation
coming up in a couple of minutes. But that's really
how I look at the draft is this is something
that it's it's entertainment, it's it's a piece of what
can take us away from stuff right now. It's not this,
you know, this woven into the fabric of what we
have to have happen right now. And I think that,

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but we're kind of losing perspective on that a little
bit sometimes. No, I agree. I agree with that because
of everything else that has stopped. I mean, you know,
every everybody else has stepped down and said, we get it.
We can't go forward. You know, we just got out
of March. That was supposed that's our our epic month
in sports, isn't it. When when we have all these

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things going on, March madness, NBA people are are trying
to make the playoffs, and playoff position, Major League Baseball
opening day starts. You know, you just have so many
things going on at once, NHL playoffs, you know, March
is usually our great month and it came to a
screeching halt. So the whole idea, and I agree with

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you that the that the NFL draft has to go
on given the circumstances, I just think that that's a
little bit over the edge. And again for the commissioner
to have to stymy his people. These are the gms
who are saying, I don't know if we should do this.
Do you know what I mean? The people who do
who do this business. Yeah, he's threatening everybody with saying no,

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you can't talk about its grounds for discipline. I mean
that that's not this country. That's not you know, it's
not saying okay, if you disagree, you're gonna be fine.
This isn't you know. They want to do it because
they want to have a you know, more time off.
This is you know, everybody has. They want to do
their jobs correctly and they want to do their due diligence.
You you have a bad draft or pick a couple

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of bad guys that don't really work, and it could
mess up what you have going or mess up to
your future. So I do get why they want to
make sure that they get the right guy. And you
know the same thing. It's like Jason, like a guy
being on tender. It's one thing to to see somebody's
picture and swipe and and all that. It's another thing

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to meet them in person, right and see what they
really look like, what their personality is, you know, some
dimensions maybe in real life. You know, like it's a
totally different look. You're spoken like someone like, are you
on tender? Are you swiping right now? I'm not on tender,
but Rob Parker he enjoys the Golden Girls and exactly

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and calling Tom Brady the most overrated of all time. Oh,
swipe right on, Rob Parker. There you go. You know,
I'm not on it, but but you know what I'm saying,
there's a big difference between looking at somebody's profile and
meeting them in person and whether or not there's a
chemistry or you feel for them. So I think that's
why the gems are a little bit cautious. Yeah, And also, look,

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nobody ever wants to get fired, especially now you know
you're seeing what's happening with with with jobs as it's
getting more difficult for to hold on to them as
we go on without you know, without business as usual.
And you know, but in the NFL, guys don't want
to lose their jobs anyway. They really don't want to
lose their jobs now. So it's like, wait a minute,
if we have a bad draft, if I overvalue a
player or do something that that is going to really,

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you know, hurt me, I really don't want to lose
my job, or I want to make sure that we're drafting.
This is a really important draft. We get the right
guys in here so we can continue to move forward,
and you know, top to bottom guys like well, we
gotta make sure so I completely get where they're coming from.
And you know, it's just one of those things where
you know, look Roger Goodell when it's come to moral
decisions in the past, he has never been able to

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make the right decision on any different scale. And I'm
and I see the tone deaf responses from him on things,
and I go, oh my god, there's there's nobody to
throw that emergency break and go, hey, maybe this is
not the message we want to get out here. That
we'll discipline you if you talk about postponing the NFL
draft right the while the rest of the country has
been postponed and canceled everybody else. Right, but god forbid

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you think this isn't the right time to hold our
NFL draft, We're going to come down on you. I mean,
it's just like you say, the optics the way it
just doesn't look right and it doesn't feel right either.
That he had to issue that to stop people from
just voicing their concerns overdoing the draft at this time.
Jason Smith and Rob Parker in for Dan and the

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Danetts Twitter at how about a fresca Rob at Rob
Parker fs one. But we are moving forward with the draft,
and it is something a lot of people are interested
in and want this as a distraction to talk about, because, look,
it's fun to talk about where two a tongue of
viola is gonna wind up going in the draft. In
the past twenty four thirty six hours, that's really been
the storyline has been the rise of two a tongue

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of Viola, which, honestly, we told you this was going
to happen for a while because quarterbacks rise, you know,
it's coming off the college football season, Tua has the
bad hip and it's well, you know, I don't know
about Tah. Who knows who's gonna wind up getting him.
And you know, Joe Burrows going number one overall with
the season he had, which is probably the best season,
single season anybody's had as a quarterback in college football history,

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with what he was able to put up, and Jason,
you're right about that. And I still say, anybody who
could pass who needs a quarterback? Who passes on a
guy who put together the greatest college football season as
a quarterback, I just think that's a mistake. I think like,
you gotta take him no matter what. And then you know,
and see how that things, because if you don't take

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that guy and he winds up being that guy, would
be a huge mistake for a franchise. Yeah, and look,
Burrow is clearly the guy in Cincinnati, right They're locked
in on him, especially now thinking about what the situation
is in the country where you can't where these you know,
teams can't go and interview players. And I find it
hard that someone's gonna rise up and pass Joe Burrow.

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You know, if they if they had a lot of
time to spend with Tua and twas going back and forth.
He's doing all of these different things that Bengals fall
in love with him. I don't think that's going to
happen this year. I don't think there's one of those
uh you know, meteoric rises from we don't know where
this is. He's overtaking the guy at number one. So
if the Bengals are locked in on Joe Burrow and
here comes to a rising up draft boards as we've

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been hearing it, look I take two a number one.
You know there's a reason there was tanked for Tuah
going on. No one was tanking for Joe Burrow. But
where this draft is really going to get into interesting
web that could change the NFL for a decade is
you have the Bengals taken Burrow at number one, and
then you have a number two. The Redskins seemingly locked
in on Chase Young right like they're gonna find every

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way to not take a quarterback because they have Dwayne Haskins.
They took him last year. They brought in Kyle Allen,
and they're they're gonna do what the Giants did with
sa Quon Barkley two years ago. This is a generational
talent who we see once every twenty five years in
the draft. We have to take sa Quon Barkley. We
can't take Sam Darnold or another quarterback. We still have
Eli Manning. And meanwhile, sae Quon Barkley had a great

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rookie year and just a man second year in the NFL,
but they wanted to find a way to not take
a quarterback. So we're going to tell you how great
this guy's supposed to be, and the same thing's happening
with Washington. Look, Chase Young could turn out to be
a phenomenal player, but you have Tua, who could be
a franchise quarterback of franchise quarterbacks sitting there at two,
and the Redskins seemed to be locked in on no, no, no,

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we have to have Chase Young. This guy's gonna be
the next LaRence Taylor. He's gonna be X Y and Z. Now,
there's no way, there's no way. Now you can agree
or disagree with that strategy for the Redskins, but this
puts the hot button pick at three, because what the
Lions do at three is going to change the NFL
for a decade. They take Tuah and suddenly Tah comes
in to try to restart that franchise. They deal Matthew

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Stafford to a team like the Patriots or the Charges,
where Stafford's still a pretty good valuable quarterback who's gonna
throw thirty touchdowns and give you twelve picks a year
and then throw for forty five to five thousand yards.
I mean, he's still that kind of quarterback. Or the
Lions side, we're staying with Matthew Stafford and someone comes
up to get to it at three, whether it's the Chargers,

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maybe the Patriots, as they talked about in the Boston
Globe the last couple of days. Maybe it's the Dolphins
who come up. And that's where TWA starts his career.
For me, though, draft really starts at number three, because
that pick is like a which way book. One way
it starts the NFL this way, one way, it goes
another way. Yeah, I agree with you on that. And
you know, I covered the Lions went during the Matt Millenia.

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Yes it was pretty bad. I'm still scarred, but but
you know I covered basically every Lions game home and
road for twenty years and just saw the mess that
is that franchise. In fact, here's here's my favorite UH.
During the Matt Millen era, they had two, not one,

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Jason two twenty four game road losing streaks, not one,
but two of them, which is impossible in the NFL,
which is filled with parody. That's how bad that franchise
has been. And Bob Quinny's the GM he came from
New England, has has not done a good job. And
there's this blind loyalty to loyalty to Matthew Stafford, who

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I call stat Padford UH, because he puts up those
numbers that you mentioned. Yes, every year he has unbelievable numbers.
Doesn't beat any good teams. They're owing three in the
playoffs with Stafford just for a first overall pick, a
guy who a couple of years ago was the number

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one I mean, the highest paid player in the league.
The results haven't been there, and I think that the
Lions should step out of the box, get to UH
and change the franchise and just say, ten eleven years
with this guy who was even overall number one pick

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without any results isn't good enough. And regardless, and if
he goes somewhere else and does it that's fine, but
he just hasn't done it. How could you be that
player with those numbers? And everybody makes excuses, Oh, he
don't have the running game, all the defenses this, Oh
he don't have that. At one point on that team,
he had and Dominican Sue and Calvin Johnson and their

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defense one year was in the top five, and they
still didn't do anything come playoff time. They went to
the playoffs and loss in the first game they played.
So my point is, if I'm the Lions and I'm
really trying to do something different and to get off
the status quo and not be satisfied with eight and
eight or nine and seven or seven and nine, knowing

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that would Stafford, you're gonna be right about that. But
but go look at his record against Jason trying to
win games against teams over five hundred. They have not
won the division during the Matthew Stafford era, not once,
not once. I think that's unbelievable, and I think it's
time for a change in Detroit. You know, I like

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to think that the Lions are gonna have that sort
of forward thinking, like, Okay, we've had Stafford for a
decade now, and look where it's gotten us. Right. A
couple of times we sniffed the playoffs, we got in,
but really, in the end, we've seen the best of
Matthew Stafford. Now he can go to another team and
suddenly you're in a different system and you get a
restart and you know, different coaching, and who knows what
that can do to him. You know, that's what you

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gotta be bold at some point because you only you
only have this pick once, you know, because look, you
don't want to have happened to you what happened to
the Giants, right, The Giants decided, no, no, we're all
in on Eli. We love Eli. We're gonna draft sae
Quon Barkley. Okay, what are you doing the next year?
We're reaching for Daniel Jones. Okay, So now they're trying
to make Daniel Jones work, who you know, was okay
for a couple of games last year, but widely, you know,

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you turn the ball over a tune. He had as
many turnovers as he had touchdowns last year. So you know,
but the Giants are now going back saying, oh boy,
if we had taken Josh Allen, you know, if they
had taken Sam Darnold who knows what it would be.
And the Lions are going to fall into that big
chasm as well if they don't say, hey, let's make
something happen and let's be gutsy, because really, how much

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longer you know with Stafford, if he has another couple
of years, like, all right, now we really have to
move on from him. Oh great, Well you could have
had twa you know, you could have been okay at
the quarterback position for another decade maybe plus, and instead
you wound up trading it away. I think the typical
Lions thing to do and what they're gonna wind up doing.
They're gonna say, someone come get this pick, and someone's
gonna come up, whether it's the Chargers or it might

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be tough for the Patriots. It's a lot of draft
capital to give up. But maybe Belichick calls Matt Patrician says,
you know you're gonna do this for me because you
know you have this head coaching job, because I meant says, okay,
but someone's gonna come up, or the Dolphins, someone's gonna
come up and get that pick. If they don't, if
they're not taking to a they're not staying at three,
and that's what they're gonna wind up doing, because that's
the Lions. The others say, oh, we're gonna get a

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treasure trove of picks and we're gonna restart our team
and you know, we're already good at quarterback. And it's
it's gonna be people just you know, convincing themselves of
one thing when you know, when you think too much
about it and go, well, okay, we've had this guy
for ten years. We could go have this guy for
ten years and maybe things are different. Yeah, I'm I'm
with you. It's that time. Uh. And I think the

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Lions it'll be interesting. Bob, Like I said, Bob Quinn
came from New England. It's basically uh New England, um
Midwest because they brought in so many people from there,
even the coach Matt Patricia. Uh. They they they just
they just I don't know where the direction is. I
don't know where they're going. I don't they they're blinded

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by Matt Stafford's numbers and I don't know how real
they are. And that's why you know, I gave him
the nickname because a lot of time when you're behind,
you know, in games what happens that the defense relaxes
and let you throws the ball in front of you,
you know what I mean. Or you score late touchdowns
to make the game close even though you weren't in
the game for most of it. And so there's a

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lot that needs to happen. And I think two I
just would take the gamble at this point. A decade
is more than enough. More than enough when you think
of some of the other quarterbacks out there, Jason who
are not as talented as Matt Stafford, who have won
playoff games and done a lot more than he has.
He just hadn't done it Twitter At how about a

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just spent the past few minutes talking about the NFL

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Draft and where the Lions can control things the NFL
really for ten years if depending on what they do
at number three, either taking two and a tongue of viola,
who it looks like is going to wind up cemented
going at that pick, whether it's the Lions or the
Lions trading out of the pick and someone up coming
up to get him at Really, Rob, I feel like
this is one of those situations where you know the

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course of the NFL really it is going to change
forever because of this. So whatever decision. Look, you could say, hey,
whoever a team takes, you know changes the NFL. Sure,
but you know it's really they have the power to
take the NFL one way or another. Either you know,
you have this franchise quarterback that that you know is
one of the best prospects we've seen in a few
years that's either going to do it in Detroit and

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it's going to change the rest of the NFL, or
somebody else is coming up and it's changing the NFL
that way. It's really one of those which way things
where you know one path is going to be chosen
and one's going to be not taken because of what
the Lions sit there and do. That's such an interesting
thing I see at number three, Like really, for me,
that's the whole draft right there. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting.
Especially I think it's a harder decision. Obviously if Stafford

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and they have one playoff games and divisions, then you
wouldn't even have this conversation, do you know what I mean?
But it has been a decade of fruitlessness. It's just
there's nothing there to hang your hat on other than
some empty numbers that hadn't gotten Detroit anywhere. So so
I think the time has come. Joining us now on
the hot line for more, Chris Canny our friend here

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at Fox Sports Radio, super Bowl champion Fox Sports One
NFL analyst Chrisker Morton, how's it going. I'm good, guys.
How are you doing all right? Hanging in there? Before
we get into what's going on? How have you been
the past few days as you get used to the
new normal life we've had the past couple of weeks here. Well,
it's an adjustment, but I don't want to complain about
it too much. There are some folks out there that
are really hurting, so thoughts and prayers are with them

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this morning, people that are being affected by the virus.
So this is one of those things that we all
got to recognize we're on the same team, and we
all got to do our part to try to contain
the spread and flatten the curve, all right, as we
try to take people's minds off of things here. On
the show, Rob and I were talking about the NFL
Draft and what the Lions are going to wind up
doing at three, if two was going to be the
pick for them, or if they're going to deal out

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of it. Well, what do you see happening here? Well,
I think the draft starts are three. But when you're
talking about the Lions quarterback situation, let's keep the same mind.
Based on the economics, Matt Stafford will be a Detroit
Lion this upcoming season. Now, after the season, maybe they
have some other options, but the Detroit Lions are locked
in the Matt Stafford for at least one more year.
Now as far as two A goes, this is an

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unusual situation just because you don't have the benefit of
the medical rechecking Indy that would be going on around now,
and then you don't have the pro pro day workout
that you would typically see from a prospect that's going
to be drafted as high as too. So with your
doctors not having the full picture from the medical standpoint,
it makes it a risky decision. But if you're a

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quarterback needy team, it's one of those risks that you
have to strongly consider because of the upside of the player, Chris.
When you look at Matt Stafford, I mean, first overall,
pick a decade there in Detroit, no playoff wins, no division,
And I'm not saying it's all on him, but those
special quarterbacks sometimes can get you there, even when they

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don't have everything that they need. When you look at
Stafford and his career to this point, he's made a
lot of money, put up a lot of empty numbers,
but but the wins aren't there. Is it good enough
to go forward? And I'm not talking about the financial part.
I'm just talking about his play and what's happened to
the lines in the last decade. Well, Matt Stafford is
a quarter back that you can win with. I don't

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want to put what's happened in the last decade solely
on him, although I recognize he does play the quarterback
position and he has the greatest impact from a player
standpoint on what the team is going to do. But
if you look at the Lions historically, they have not
been well run, and it starts at the top. Now,
I don't want to sit here and focus on ownership
because we all know that that's not going to change.

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The Ford family will be the owners of the Detroit Lions,
but the general managers, the coaches over the years, I
think that's what you have to look at. The organization
has not found the right football people to make sound
football decisions. That's how you force a legend like Barry
Sanders to retire while he's still in his prime. Same
thing that we saw from Calvin Thompson a few years ago.

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So I don't want to put this on Matt Stafford.
I think it's an organizational failure for not putting the
pieces in place to take advantage of the talent that
they have Chris Canny with us here Fox Sports Radio,
The Dan Patrick Show, Jason Smith, Rob Parker in and
The Dantes as we get away from the Draft for
couple minutes. Now. Tom Brady is set to do an
interview with Howard Stern next week, and supposedly he's gonna

(26:06):
quote let loose when he talks to Howard about potentially
what's going on with the New England Patriots. Uh, you know,
I know people are excited about this, but I mean,
I've know Tom Brady, I know what we've seen from
for the past twenty years. I don't think he's gonna
give us all kinds of crazy stuff. He may drop
a crumb here where hey that Patriots ever made me
a contract offer or our conversation was five minutes. But

(26:27):
I don't think suddenly we're gonna get Brady airon his
dirty laundry about Belichick and the Patriots. Well takes you.
The first thing I want to know is is he
paying rent on that palatial estate that he's renting from
Derek Jeta. Well, I'm sure, I'm sure. If I'm Derek Juta,
I want some cash for what I'm not giving it
to you. I want to know. Man, When I found
out the tax bill on that thing every year is

(26:49):
over two hundred grand, I was saying, Wow, it must
be nice to have friends like Derek Jeta that'll let
you stay in there place during the football season. He's
gonna show up and walk in and there's there's gonna
be women there to say, oh no, I've been living
here for the past like fifth, I gotta leave now,
all right, fine, all right, I'll get out, all right.
I love hey j Well, at least on their way out,
they'll get their gift box on their way out. Exactly, Jetersbury, exactly. No, guys,

(27:15):
I think when we hear Tom Brady on the Howard
Stern Show next week, everybody will will tune in to
try to get some insight as to how the process
went that led to him leaving New England this offseason.
We recognize that Tom Brady the last couple of off
seasons prior, had been asking the Patriots for a contract extension,
and Bill Belichick has been reluctant to give it to him.

(27:36):
They prefer to go year a year on their approach
with him, because, let's face it, nobody's seen a quarterback
in his early forties have the level of success that
Tom Brady has had. He's got an m VP in
a Super Bowl on his resume in his forties. I mean,
how rare is that? So I can understand why Belichick
wouldn't want to commit to him financially long term. But
you're also talking about extenuating circumstance because this is the

(27:59):
greatest quarterback of all time. So I think people want
to get insight as to what led to this actually
happening and whether Tom Brady deciding to leave or whether
Bill Belichick pushing him out of the door. And I'd
say arguably the best quarterback because I'm not convinced. Um
Joe Montana in my eyes, is the goat. But anyway,

(28:20):
when you talk about Tom Rob Rob, we can't let
you gloss over there. I can't let you go that.
I'm just getting you back a little bit. A quarterback
to go to nine Super Bowls and win six of
them in the salary cap era, which is something that
Joe Montana didn't have to deal with, that is special.
And Tom Brady also won got He's been very lucky.

(28:41):
And if you want me to give it to you,
I'll give it to you with the tuck move. Wait
a minute, I'll give it to you. Didn't all right,
let me give it to you, Chris Sea. Yeah. Here
it is the tuck rule. They never should have won.
That they never should have been even been in that
Super Bowl. He got lucky on that he coughed up
the football, got it back. There was the Carolina Super

(29:03):
Bowl when Carolina's kicker kicked the ball out of bounds,
gave it to him one to forty. There was the
Seattle They're at the one yard line with the best
running back in the league and they throw the football
into an interception. There's Atlanta twenty eight to three and
they run the ball three times in the second half.
I can go on and on last Super Bowl that
he won, he threw no touchdowns and if it wasn't

(29:26):
for the great defense. So I'm not saying he's a
bum can't play, but he's been very fortunate. Rob. Let
me break this down for you, because you say lucky,
I'm gonna tell you what Tom Coffin needs to always
tell us. Luck is where preparation meets opportunity. And to
win a championship, which I've won, you have to have
some breaks in the game, go your way and be
in position to be able to take advantage of him.

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And the one thing you can say in the Belichick
Brady tenure of Patriots football, they have always made sure
that they've taken advantage of the opportunities and the rules
of the game and and done it at a level
that nobody else in the NFL has. So that's that
that to me is sliding some of the greatness, some
of the brilliant that we've seen from this Patriots organization

(30:10):
in the last two decades. And they also have been
caught for cheating in the organization, which everybody pooh pools
and acts like it didn't happen. Joe Montana doesn't have
any of that on his resume. About Tom Brady, Tom Brady,
you rob, I gotta stop you because you're saying that
because it hasn't been publicized. But let me tell you this,

(30:32):
going back to spy Gate in two thousand and seven,
you think the Patriots were the only team in the
NFL that the film of apposing teampposing teams practices didn't
didn't Why in the world did Bill Belichick get the
highest fine of any NFL coach If everybody was doing
it because was on his staff. They got man Genie

(30:52):
was on his style, Rob Rob, I can tell you
beyond a shadow over doubt, they were not the only
team in the NFL at that time that had practice
film from the other team. They weren't. They were the
first team to get caught. And Tom Brady got suspended
for no reason because the league just wanted to soil
his name. Right, one of the great players in the league.

(31:13):
They just wanted to soil his name. Is that why
he got suspended for four games? Right? What I'm trying
to explain to you is teams and players are constantly
looking for a competitive advantage. And yeah, the Patriots are
bitual live steppers. But I don't want you to believe
that there's this league of purity outside of what's happening
up in Foxborough, because there are thirty one other teams

(31:36):
that are doing things along the same lines. Maybe they're
not going as far as the Patriots are, but there
are other teams that are trying to do similar things.
I want to ask you one other thing is the
reason that Tom Brady had no takers is because basically
he's a fossil and other people realize that at forty
three years old, which you'll be this season, there's a
chance that he won't have some of the success that

(31:56):
he's had. A Number Two, nobody wanted to pay a
forty three year old quarterback two years fifty million dollars guarantee,
which one stopped most teams from even entertaining the idea
of Tom Brady. Well, here's the thing, Rob, I think
that the Chargers were also in on Tom Brady, and
I know it came down two years and being in

(32:17):
proximity to family. Tom Brady's making his home now in
the New York City area, so he wanted to stay
on the East coast or the prospect of flying back
and forth to LA just didn't appeal to him. But
as far as being in position to a success, I
just saw Bruce Arians have the number one passing attack
with the quarterback that threw thirty interceptions. I think when
you look at the marriage between arians offense and Tom

(32:40):
Brady's skill set, coupled with the weapons that they have
down in Tampa, two Pro Bowl caliber receivers Mike Kevin's,
Chris Godwin, Cameron brad and O J. Hyward at the
tight ends, I think you would feel good about Tom
Brady being in the position to have production. Now you're
talking about a much tougher division, But I think everybody
would be excited to see what Tom Brady still has

(33:01):
left in the tank and to see which one, Tom
Brady or Bill Belichick has more success. In the twenty
twenty years. Tom Brady will be Michael Jordan the way
he ended his career with the Wizards. Tom Brady won't
make the playoffs next year with Tampa Bay. Remember I
told you that, Chris Okay, I feel like that's I
feel like that's an easy position to take, considering it

(33:22):
as a seven and nine team last year. All right,
never made the playoffs in twelve years, and you got
a forty three year old quarterback gonna make the playoffs
this year. It's not a hot take. Rob. You can
take what everybody thinks. They're going to the super Bowl.
Everybody's calling out going to the super Bowl. I'll tell
you what. I'll tell you what. We'll revisit this conversation
a year from now because I've got the Tampa Bay
Buccaneers in the playoff picture in a crowded NFC. And

(33:46):
keep in mind, NFL just changed the playoff format. There
will be three wild card teams in the playoffs in
each conference. You can follow on Twitter at Chris Canny
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Bowl Champion, Fox one NFL Analyst. It's all good man, Chris.
You didn't think you're in for that conversation, but appreciate
you stop a buying with us question. That's a good

(34:07):
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(34:29):
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the Mercedes AMG Man Cave Mercedes AMG Driving Performance. Uh So, yeah, Rob,
not not, you know, but that's what I like about radio.
Sometimes you know where things are going, sometimes you don't.
And I just wanted I wanted to sit back and go, Okay,
I'm watching like you know, This is like a big
prize fight going on right now. This is like you know,
Creed and Drago, you know, the second one, you know,

(34:51):
not the first one. You know. I'm watching this back
and forth, going, oh, this is entertaining, this is kind
of fun. It was fun. You know. My passion when
it comes to Tom Brady and the Patriots and whenever
people just give them a pass, I just cannot stand there.
I'm going to be the NFL gamekeeper and I'm not
going to just give them a pass. And everybody, oh,

(35:12):
everybody else does it. No other coach has been fine
like that. And Brady was suspended, not because the NFL
just wanted to suspend Tom Brady. Those are just facts
and people can pooh pooh them all they want, But
there's a reason that you're filming people, And go ask
the Rams, the Greatest Show on Turf that scored thirteen
points in the Super Bowl after being double digit favorites,

(35:34):
and asked them if they think that the Patriots didn't
have film on them, Go ask them twitter at how
about a Fresco rob at Rob Parker FS one, how
about we do this coming up next? Because one GM
said the Pats are still the team to beat in
the AFC East, and you think the Patriot and you
think the Bucks are not going to the playoffs. With
Tom Brady coming up next, we'll break down the odds

(35:55):
of both of these teams and what to expect this
coming season in the NFL. Keep it right here, Jason Smith,
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(36:33):
Radio The Jason Smith Show with Rob Parker. Actually that
is the Dan Patrick Show. Jason Smith and Rob Parker
in for Dan and the Dan Netts Today. You know,
it's my mouth gets a little confused sometimes when you
do it, when you when you do two shows within
the span of like nine hours. It happens that way,
no doubt about it. And and and Joel Engineer, I
think he was playing that song for me. I want

(36:55):
to be starting something. Is that? Yeah? Yeah exactly. He
started something a few minutes ago with this, with the
the hating of Tom Brady that you have turned into
an art form. Rob Parker, I'm say it is this
is not just like hot take theater you have, just
this is now like kids are gonna take classes in
college in the future about this. Hey, I'm just I'm
the most objective reporter who's ever covered Tom Brady. That's

(37:18):
all I'm gonna say. They just had a pull up
in uh Boston at WEI Radio, and the afternoon showed
is three guys there who host and they all had
three ballot. You had to put three three names on
for each ballot, and I made everybody's ballot. I wasn't
number one on anybody's ballot, but I made all three.
So I consider myself to win up all right. So

(37:41):
with two things to examine now, as we had the
conversation about Brady and where you think he is, let's
go with the Buccaneers this season. First, where where we
think they're gonna wind up? Because you say they're not
gonna end up in the playoffs, and it's it's it's honestly, Rob. Look,
being a Jets fan, it's hard for me to see
this year the Bucks not end up in the playoffs because, look,

(38:04):
this is a pretty talented team and Brady is not
going to find the fountain of youth. But he's not
gonna make the mistakes that Jamis Winston made. He's gonna
be able to throw the football up to his weapons,
who are way better than what he had in New England.
And this is a team that, quite honestly, I can see.
I think they're gonna win the division or be one
of the top wildcards, because they're gonna catch lightning in

(38:26):
a bottle this year. Brady's gonna come in. Everybody's gonna
fall in line. He's gonna lead us here. There's gonna
be that belief in themselves from the beginning of the season.
Bruce Arians, we know what he's done. Look at the
list of quarterbacks he's worked with it so who's who
of best quarterbacks in the history of the National Football
How many times has he made the playoffs? All right, now,
you're right, you're you're right, You're right. But but this
is a different situation. But but I'm just saying, everybody

(38:49):
gives Bruce Arians like he's some Super Bowl winner every
year or his team is always in a players not
the case. And Jason, this is this is fine. This
is the same hysteria we had last year when the
Browns got ob j Okay, it was the networks all said,
we got to get the Browns on. Oh my god,

(39:09):
the Browns are gonna win the division. The odds of
the Browns winning the Super Bowl went from a million
to fourteen to one. Remember that, Oh yeah, it was
all about the Browns because who you're gonna stop? Look
at that. They got running backs, Kareem Hunt's coming back.
They got all these wide receivers. Don't forget their quarterback

(39:30):
had improved the last part of the year. Nobody looked
at it that he that he'd beat bad teams in
Baker Mayfield. But but everybody was so juiced about where
the Browns were going. Did they make the playoffs? No? Okay, okay, okay,
so let me okay, let me just finished the part.
And the other part is the same. Here, you guys
can go ahead and poop poo New Orleans, poop poo Atlanta,

(39:54):
and it's automatic. The Bucks haven't made the playoffs in
twelve years for a reason. You're getting a forty three
year old quarterback who who knows, might not even be
able to really get the ball to those dynamic receivers
that they're talking about, and Nobody is going to be
surprised by the Tampa Bay Bucks when they show up
this coming season. It'll be all out about the Bucks,

(40:16):
about stopping Tom Brady. And you watch and see they
will not make the playoffs, despite what people look are
looking at on paper. Doesn't work like that in the NFL.
All right, all right, First of all, who would you
rather have as a head coach, Bruce Arians or Freddie Kitchens?
Is it even close between Freddy Kitchens? All right? Okay,
But you're talking about a guy that needed to be

(40:38):
able to take all these different personalities and metch them together,
and that was awful. Odell Beckham coming into the Browns
is not Tom Brady's not coming into the into the
Bucks and upsetting the apple cart and being a big distraction. Look,
Odell Beckham came in and have a bad year. How
much is a guy I love football? I don't know,
you know, and that's a big thing with Odell Beckham.
But I think you're overestimating how easy, not how easy.

(41:01):
But we're talking about making the playoffs. This is not
the super Bowl. This is we're adding a wildcard team
into It was so easy they wouldn't have been out
of the playoffs. But so you win, so you win.
Not okay, would you rather have Tom Brady or Jamis Winston. No,
but I'm saying he took out five thousand yards and
yes he had a lot of turnovers, but he also
had thirty touchdowns. They still weren't able to win. My

(41:21):
point is that, yes, is Tom Brady probably gonna throw
less touch less interceptions than Jamis Winston. Yes, I'll give
you that one hundred percent. I expect him to throw
less than thirty interceptions. But I don't. I'm not so
sure where Tom Brady is. I saw Tom Brady last
year and I thought that was he had one of
his worst years. They were the worst Jason eight no

(41:44):
team I had ever seen. And people were ranting a raven,
Oh they're going undefeated and all that. They were not
that good, and even at twelve and four we saw
what happened. I don't believe in Tom Brady as we
move forward, I think you guys would give a living.
In the past, Tom Brady and everybody used to always
say Tom Brady does more with less than anybody. And

(42:06):
then last year he said, well, well you expect he
doesn't have anything, so which one is it that he
does more with less or that he didn't have anybody. Well,
the decline is here for Brady. Look, and this is
not going to be one of those years where he
finds the fountain of youth. But he's gonna do enough
to get the team in the playoffs. It's gonna be
a lot like when Joe Montana went to the Chiefs. Right,

(42:27):
he had enough a little bit of magic that first year.
He had his moments, Right, he had some time where boy,
he didn't look like Joe Montana, but he had some
times where here's here's a last second come back on
Monday Night football. He'll have enough to get them in
the playoffs. Because let's say, let's say Brady throws between
twenty five and thirty touchdowns, He's only gonna throw about
eight or ten interceptions. Right now, You're you're cutting twenty

(42:48):
off of that total from last year. That will be
enough to get the Bucks nine or ten wins and
get in the playoffs. And that's what I think you're
looking at right now. They're not gonna go thirteen and
three and suddenly have home field advantage in the playoffs,
but getting in, I think it's gonna be a lot
easier for him to get in the playoffs. And you
think it is because you're already taking a team. It's
a pretty good talent so far. Yeah, I'm just not there.

(43:08):
I've seen the hype done by by guys all the time.
Every time somebody moves it's going to move the needle
and change the NFL. I'm just not buying it. And
I get the Kitchens thing. He wasn't the right coach.
I said it when they hired him. It didn't make
any sense. But Bruce Arian, I think's been the playoffs
twice in his career. I'm not buying it. Jason Smith,
Rob Parker in for Danna the Dan. That's a big

(43:30):
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(45:04):
of the Dan Patrick Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Dan and the Danettes have the week off, a planned
week of vacation. They'll be back on Monday. And Rob,
you and I spent the last hour arguing about the
National Football League and Tom Brady. And you know I
said already in my timeline people are hashtag and stuff
with h Boat, which is you're the boat right now,

(45:27):
That's right, the Hayden, this brother of all time that's
what Christmas saw. It calls me. I like that the boat.
I think that's a really good nickname. I like that,
Rob Parker. Now are you doing your show this afternoon?
You're back on with Christmas Afternoon? Yes, we will be
back on four to seven of course Pacific time, the
odd couple and seven to ten pm Eastern, so yes,

(45:50):
double dipping. Are you doing a show? You off tonight? No,
I'm off. I did the show last night and I
got done at eleven, and now I was back on
this morning, so I'm actually off tonight. It's a quick turnarounds.
It's one of those things where I'm like, okay, I'm
gonna go to bed, and now the alarm clock goes off,
and oh now I'm up again and I'm doing another show. Okay,
it's it's doing nine hours of radio in a in

(46:11):
a fifteen hour span. It's yeah, it's a lot of
un and we've done a number of shows together filling
in and it's always fun. So buckle up for the
next two hours. We still got more to go. We
got more NFL on the way, but the NBA for
a bit here as look every day I get We're
still only a couple of weeks into this coronavirus and isolation,

(46:33):
and everybody's cutting kind of antsy. They want to know
when things are going to return to normal, even though
you know, we keep being urged cautioned by the experts,
which always listen to the experts, you know, because and
because sports is still the live sports that we that
we are used to getting every day, it's still very
fresh in our minds. Uh, you know, the talk about
them coming back dominates every single day. I mean, it's weird.

(46:57):
I don't know that we can keep having conversations every
day is to when sports are going to come back,
as it coming back today. But we're getting new plans
at least to past the time from the NBA, from
the NHL, from Major League Baseball as they try to
figure out what their plans are to when they do
resume playing. And you know, of all the things we've
heard the past the past few days about what's going

(47:18):
to happen with the NBA because the NBA, I think
everybody is looking to the NBA to be the leaders
here because look, the NBA shut down the United States
because of Rudy Gobert. Once Rudy Gobert's positive test was out,
we had no sports. That was the last night of sports.
Then the next day we started to realize that we
weren't having it for a while. Isolation started and we
really dealt with the coronavirus head on, because that was

(47:41):
the big talking point for it. The NBA keeps putting
out ideas of, Hey, this is what we can do
to continue to play and maybe finish this season, and
it's really admirable with all these plans, and the big
one this week has been, Hey, we're gonna go to
Vegas and we're gonna put the players in kind of
a quarantine and they're finish the season somehow, whether it's

(48:02):
everybody plays at least, you know, three games to finish
their quote regular season and then have the playoffs in Vegas.
And I get that this is very ambitious and I
understand this, but Rob, do you think this is a
feasible thing? To see the NBA actually playing in Vegas
to finish the season like that? I just don't see it.
I understand why they want to get the season back on.

(48:23):
They've already lost a ton of money from the incident
with Darren morri and the China situation early this year,
Remember that Jason that hurt the NBA and now to
lose the TV money that goes with these games and playoffs.
So I get it. Financially, they want a season, they
want to and they're coming up with all these ideas,
no fans and will sequester all the players and they'll

(48:46):
all be in the same spot. But I don't know
if they can guarantee that people will still be safe
in that environment, because it's not about Jason. Ten players,
a basque ball, a referee, and two coaches. There's a
lot of support people that also have to be involved
in order to make a basketball game, a professional basketball

(49:09):
game run, And there's just a chance. What if you
have these guys there and somebody has a family emergency
right and they have to leave to go see their
family or circumstance or situation. There's so many other things
that are that are involved that I can't believe that
players are going to sign off on it. I know

(49:29):
they want to make their money, I know the league
wants to make its money, but I think it's far fetched.
Jeff Van Gundhi, of course, an ESPN analyst for the NBA,
says he thinks the season will be canceled ultimately that
to try to get players back in shape and ready
to go. When Jason, if you're looking at three months

(49:51):
of not playing, remember, unless you have a gym in
your home, and most guys don't, even as rich as
they are, most people don't you know, can't work out. Uh.
And then a lot of guys are you Are you
out of shape because you're not going to the gym,
you can't do all the things that you want to do.
I just think it's far fetched. Well, I look at
two things that tell me this is this is not

(50:12):
gonna happen and and and one is are they really
gonna be in isolation and quarantine? Are really gonna go
to Vegas? And that's gonna be their lives? You're not
gonna see anybody, You're not gonna go out. You're gonna
play a game and go to the hotel, and you're
gonna be by yourself. You're just just gonna be with
the guys on your team, and you're gonna be isolated
away from your family and everybody else for the next
month or month and a half or whatever it's gonna be.

(50:34):
I don't see that as being something the players want.
I don't see every team wanting to continue this season.
If you're a team that's that's that's at the bottom
of the standings, and you know, if you're the Hawks
or the Knicks or the Warriors or a team like that,
and it's and it's, hey, we're gonna go play three
games to end this season. I think some of those
teams are gonna go, Yeah, you know, we're not sold
on that. I don't know that it's gonna be safe.

(50:56):
And none of our guys really want to go do this,
so we're not gonna go play. I mean, I can
see and I can see NBA players saying that. And
the players are way more powerful than they are in
any other sport. Adam Silver has elevated the players almost too.
There's two commissioners. There's Silver and his co commissioner or
Lebron James, and the NBA players, and they're the ones
that are going to make the decision on this. But

(51:18):
you know, with that being said, just the fact that
I don't know that you're going to be able to
take players and tell them that listen, it's not safe
to have the crowds, but it's safe for you guys
to play against each other where you guys are banging
and you are swapping body fluids and that's okay. I
don't think players are going to be down for that,

(51:39):
because look at what the Chinese Basketball Association did earlier
this week trying to right. They try, but what did
they realize. Wait, there's too many people that could be
asymptomatic of the virus and they still could spread it.
We have to push it back. That's going to be
a really big thing that players. Once we get to
the point of coming back. I get that the players
now are like, yeah, we're we're ready, We're loaded on

(52:00):
coming back. You know, we really want to play, want
to keep this going. But it gets down to it
and the NBA says, okay, here are the games, and
we have to do this to make it really, really
super safe. Players are gonna falter on that and they're
gonna waver and go, oh, but is it really super
safe or do we need to wait a little bit
longer and make sure this thing doesn't come back. And
I'm not at any risk entirely. I think a lot

(52:21):
of players, when it comes down to it, are gonna go, yeah,
I don't know about that. I think we need a
little bit more time, and suddenly that's going to throw
the NBA's plan up in chaos. All of those things
I see is happening before the NBA tips anything off
in Vegas. Yeah, I'm with you, and I think ultimately,
you know, the players will will of course, because once
they decide that they're not doing it, it's all over.

(52:44):
You know, um, I thought you saw that and you
and you even mentioned about some teams not being down
with it as well. I could see that. Remember the
NCAA March Madness tournament got canceled, you know when it
got canceled, Jason, it got can't So when Kansas and
Duke said, that's nice, you can have the tournament, but
we're not coming. Do you remember that, then all of

(53:06):
a sudden, oh yeah, wait a minute, yeah, we better
cancel it. Because they were trying everything. Oh let's do
it without the fans, let's do this, let's do that.
They were trying. They wanted the money from CBS and
t n T and TB. I get it, there's a
lot of money at stake, but you can't there's no
price you can put on players safety and their health

(53:28):
and again three months. If if it is three months
later that you have to sit out, what kind of
basketball are we getting? Are we putting people in harm's
way Jason that they hadn't played in three months and
now we're trying to restart the basketball season. I don't
think that's good. You know, it's funny you say that
the Dan Patrick Show Jason Smith and Rob Parker in

(53:49):
for Dana the Dan Netts, because that's kind of was
Rick Buker's big point this week Fox Sports won NBA
insider who went on Colin Coward Show and said, Hey,
I don't think Lebron actually wants any part of the
play offs and some of the things he's been saying
to an interview with Richard Jefferson in his road Trip
and podcast last week, saying that, well, I don't want
to play if we don't have fans, what's it going

(54:09):
to be like if I'm going for a loose ball
against somebody who had coronavirus? Am I going to think
twice about it? And it just doesn't seem like he's
as into the playoffs as you know, you think he
would be. And you know, and Rick Bucker and said
that listen Lebron just doesn't want to restart again because
now the Lakers are at a real kind of disadvantage,

(54:29):
and you know, Lebron is just kind of everything that
he's saying comes from that space right now, is okay,
Now after having whatever kind of time off, here's a
veteran team, and I have to try to get my
body back at you know, thirty five years old, to
get me back to where I need to be, and
it's going to be too tough. And every time, you know,
Lebron talks and he says stuff like we talked about

(54:50):
the other night, putting out his best highlights of all
time on social media and doing some kind of chat
about it, I feel like Lebron is just, you know,
he's sitting at home and he's talking, and I wonder
how much he wants to continue on with the playoffs,
and how much any player wants to continue on with
the playoffs when it's all said and done, if they're
really thinking about, okay, is it really that important to
play this season versus being safe and then coming back

(55:13):
when we get absolutely clean bill of health, which could
be next year. And the other part is, while Lebron
maybe doesn't want to restart the team in his way,
the Clippers, those guys probably have gotten healthy. They're younger,
do you know what I mean? They were the ones
who weren't playing their full team or roster and they
have been rusted. So when they come back, they're going

(55:34):
to be an even better shape because they've gotten the
time off to get healthy. So I agree, I don't.
I don't think that that's going to be something Lebron
wants to even deal with now. When it comes to
Lebron and his or his normal social media outpourings that
usually come late at night somewhere, whether it's a podcast
or him online because he's bored. I know you're not

(55:56):
a big fan of him going forward with this. Hey,
here's some of my best highlights of all time, and
I'm gonna put this out there and take questions and
go over some of the big moments of my career.
Not at all. And Jason, when I heard that originally,
I thought to myself, here's Lebron James trying to upstage
Michael Jordan. And because ESPN had just announced that they

(56:18):
were what moving up the ten part documentary right about
that final championship year, right with the bulls. So I
thought to myself, you know, Lebron is convinced that he
was the go Remember when he came back from the
three one deficit to the Warriors. That's when he proclaimed
that he was the goat and he knew it. Not
that most people think that he is the goat. Most

(56:39):
believe Michael Jordan is. But this is a chance for
him to when everybody is like, you know, like all
the Lebron minions who refuse to acknowledge Michael Jordan as
the greatest of all time. You know, they can watch
Jordan's thing, and then Lebron puts out his highlights. We'll
remember when I did this, remember when I went against
this team. So it just seemed kind of suspicious to

(57:01):
me that right after that he decides that he wanted
to do and remember the whole thing was half baked
because he hasn't even really thought it out. Am I
gonna put it on Instagram? Maybe I'll just hold on
to it, Maybe I'll do it later. Just the whole
notion that he put it out there without really going
through it or thinking about it or saying, hey, I've

(57:22):
been working on this for a while. Maybe because content
is low this might be the time. It just seemed
suspicious and maybe I'm one of those guys, but that
was the first thing I thought of, Why is he
coming out with this now, especially with the Jordan. The Jordan.
Uh yeah, yeah, the ten part documentary, ten part documentary.

(57:46):
So see, I call the last Dance. I take it
from a different perspective on it because I disagree on
on Lebron doing this to upstage Jordan. Is a lot
of times when he says something, I think he's saying
it because he's very calculate. Look, Lebron always is is
how calculated about what he has to say. And the
stuff about starting the season I think is him, you know,

(58:07):
sending a big flare up telling Adam Silver, you know,
just because you guys want to start this season up
so bad, doesn't mean all of us players are going
to be down for it when it happens. But then
there's times where I think, like Lebron just does things
and says things, and it's part of who Lebron has
been his career where sometimes he just says stuff that's
a bad idea and is polarizing, you know, And that's

(58:29):
that's one thing you can say for Lebron, whether he
was nineteen or twenty or now at thirty five, is
sometimes he says things and it, you know, it polarizes
us because it's not something that you would say. It's
not something you would normally see somebody say, like, I
don't think this this situation here with Jordan is because
he wants to over shadow Jordan, because like, what's going

(58:50):
to be the difference? You know, you're talking about Lebron
late at night on social media going over as big
as plays versus a ten part documentary on ESPN's gonna
be you know, ten weeks long or whatever it is
with here's Michael Jordan and what people are gonna be
tweeting about and talking about every single night because the
desire to see this is so big. I just think
this was Lebron going, oh yeah, they're gonna if he's

(59:13):
doing as what you think he's saying, Oh, George's gonna
do that. I should do that. You know, I do
believe that I should do that, and I could do
that first, and that's something I'm gonna do next week
and then I'm gonna be on to something else. But
you just said it. Everybody will be talking about it
and tweeting about it. It will just shed more light.
Lebron James to this day is still in competition with

(59:33):
Michael Jordan, whether people want to believe it or not.
I know that can't play against each other, and Mike
hasn't played him fifteen or twenty years or whatever, fifteen
years or whatever it's been. But that's not that he
is still chasing that. He might have said that he's
the goat, but he deep down knows that he hasn't
convinced other people. And you said it social media, everybody

(59:57):
getting the chance to watch the Jordan thing. For a
lot of the millennials who really don't know the Michael
Jordan's story, they don't they haven't seen it. So here's
a chance for you to look at what he was
able to accomplish the second three piece with the Bulls,
And I think Lebron realized that and was like, what

(01:00:17):
can I do to kind of get a little attention
during this time and get people to understand and see
all the stuff that I've accomplished. I really believe it's
more calculated than you think. This wasn't just some random
thought at at in the middle of the night with
nothing to do. This was how can I keep my
minions still locked in on where I am, how great

(01:00:40):
I am, and that I'm the goat when this whole
Michael Jordan's a ten piece documentary. I mean, not too
many people get that ten piece. So you know, you
might get a ten piece of chicken, but a ten
piece is highly unlikely for most people. Hey what I
used to get the eighteen McNuggets be able to eat

(01:01:01):
all of them pretty easy. I mean that's back in
my big eating heyday, and I was like, oh man,
i'll tell you what eighteen McNuggets out down that in
about ten minutes. Wo But I look, this is not
like Lebron is going to time things out and say, okay,
every night that the Jordan documentary is, I'm gonna look
at the best. He'll do it the night before. He's
gonna he's gonna do it once and then he's gonna

(01:01:23):
be on to something else, because that's kind of what
Lebron does. Look, not everything is well thought out. I
don't think Lebron will fought out the move to Miami.
You know, this was him and Dwayne Wade and Chris
Bosh and the Olympics going Hey, this would be fun
if we all played together, wouldn't it. Yeah, let's be yeah,
let's go do it. What could possibly go wrong? And
then look at all the stuff they had to overcome
those four years. They were much more difficult than Lebron

(01:01:44):
thought it was. You know, sometimes just things aren't well
fought out. And this is one of those things where
I think he just said, oh, you know, Jordan's doing that,
I'll do that too. One day, you know, maybe one
day next week, I'll set it up and I'll take questions,
and then I'm gonna do something else the week after
and something else the week after that. I you know,
I don't think this is going to be with a Okay,
how do we you know, siphon things away from Jordan
and and and make sure I get all the attention

(01:02:06):
instead of him, because look, you're not going to overshadow it,
you know. Like I said, it's one thing for Lebron
to show some highlights and take questions on social media
versus the power of this documentary that you know has
been moved up because so many people want to see it.
I mean, look, how many people really want to sit
back and say, hey, I really can't wait for Lebron
to show the highlights of his career. Not many. Yeah,

(01:02:28):
it's like, okay, I've because I've seen It's not a
following out there. Yeah, but but the average person, the
average sports prom was all right, I've seen Lebron's hide,
and I'm inted to see what he has to say after.
You know, It's like it's like when a when a
celebrity writes a book. Oh, here comes a big book
coming out, Does anybody read the book or no? Ahead
of time? We get all the best passages and we
find out what's being said, and we talk about it,
and that's how you consume it. That's kind of this

(01:02:49):
thing with Lebron. Okay, I don't think people are really
gonna go and go watch him do this, but if
he says something, will we talk about it after? Sure?
Whereas this documentary with Jordan is everybody's gonna want to
see it and talk about it, just like when a
Ric Flair documentary goes on or Andre the Giant, whichever one.
You know that is gaining a lot of attention because
sports docks are really powerful, and you know, that's the

(01:03:11):
difference I think between the Jordan and Lebron aspect of
what they're both trying to do here. And speaking of books,
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If I'm writing I'm Ripping amazon dot com. It's a
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(01:03:33):
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how Lebron is trying to take attention away from Jordan,

(01:03:55):
and you plug it with your book at the end,
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(01:04:19):
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(01:05:01):
with us here. We had a lot of NFL talk
first hour of the show. Deep in some NBA conversation.
Right now is the idea the NBA could potentially play
the rest of their season in Vegas is gaining a
lot of momentum, at least being talked about this week.
Joining us now on the hotline. Three time NBA champion
with the Chicago Bulls, BJ Armstrong, BJ. How you doing man,

(01:05:22):
I'm doing well. Just wording how are you guys doing? Great?
Good morning, you know, before we get into things. You know,
how are you doing with things the past couple of weeks,
living day to day the way things have changed here
in the country. Well, hey, thanks for asking. First of all,
we are we're managing here and the household, and we're
just you know, trying to do our part every single day,

(01:05:43):
and uh, with three kids a four year old, it's uh,
it's it's it's been disruptive, but you know, like like,
oh we are, we're figuring it out and just going
about it and trying to find the humor as we
go along to maintain some form of sanity here. But
overall we can't complain. And you know, we're just out here,

(01:06:06):
you know, keeping our prayers and wishes the best for
all and uh, you know, encouraging people to stay safe,
stay home and do what we can. And I think
like all of us were gaining even more of an
appreciation for teachers, considering all the lessons being taught at
home now and trying to figure things out. I'm saying
to myself, yeah, I don't really know anything about this math,

(01:06:28):
that's for sure. Hey, you didn't know it when you
were in school and you don't know it as an adult. Part.
Know what PJ need to know was this SHOT's worth
two points? This shots were three points? All right, there's
we're right here. So as we get closer to what
you know, could hopefully be the return of the NBA,
BJ Rob and I were talking about this idea that

(01:06:49):
the NBA is going to play in Vegas. Is this
something that can really come to fruition. We can quarantine
the players and they can finish the regular season to
play the playoffs in Las Vegas. Well, you know, at
this point, you know, and speaking to teams and owners
and you know, people that I've had an opportunity to
speak with, I don't think anyone knows. Right there are

(01:07:09):
a lot of ideas that are out there. Certainly that
has been tossed around the potential of teams and going
out trying to finish the season in an environment like
that where they kind of isolate the players. But to
be honest with you and the people I've been speaking with,
no one knows, but certainly everyone is open for ideas.

(01:07:31):
I think the owners and the league would would love
the opportunity to play if possible, But I think the
safety of all right, and I think we understand what's
what's at risk here, and we have a lot of
things to to really concentrate on and really you know,
touch upon before we can start playing sports. But certainly

(01:07:51):
that is something that has been thrown around. I'm not
sure whether it happens or not at this time, but
it's definitely an idea. Yeah, I get it. You know,
there's a big financial hulk the NBA doesn't want to
let go by. We saw what happened, you know with
the China situation costs them a lot of money, and
now to to BJ lose this season, it would be

(01:08:14):
devastating financially, even these leagues that make a tremendous amount
of money. There's a lot of television money on the
table and all kinds of stuff. But ultimately, do you
believe players would go for that? I mean, I just
I just look at it. I understand that your job,
you want to play, But to be isolated from your family,
your friends, and to play basketball games during these times,

(01:08:38):
I don't know if if if that's doable. You know,
that's a that's a great question here. I think the bigger,
the bigger part of this is from a player's perspective,
is the amount of time it would take to get
in some type of condition to play right. Um, the

(01:08:59):
you know think that players are just gonna, you know,
get ready in a week or two to come back
and play. I think that's unrealistic. If we're talking, you know,
the mindset or the take on what it takes to
get yourself prepared to go out there and play a game.
So I think most players would love to play and
participate and play if possible. I just don't know, Rob,

(01:09:22):
if there's enough time to get everyone ready to play
right and play the game at the level that it,
you know, that we're accustomed to watching. The More importantly,
is there enough time for these athletes to get in
some type of shape right, not only individually, get together
as a team. Where do you go? How do you play? So? Forth?
The song so. But in these times, I think, with

(01:09:45):
the uncertainty that swirls around all of us, I think
we're just kind of taking it day by day and
just try to figure this out as we go along.
I don't think anyone really has the answer. But the
first team when I heard about this, Vegas's you know,
is the conditioning of the right and uh as you
see when we had the lockouts. Um, you know, exposes

(01:10:06):
everyone to different type of things, right, the team's conditioning, injury,
so forth and so on. When you try to cramp
something in, you know, it takes time, and these guys
make it look so easy, these athletes where we're talking
about now. But you know what, Um, we'll see, we'll
see how it works out. But I think generally, to
answer your question, I think most players would like to

(01:10:27):
play in some capacity it's some form, But I just
don't know if that's possible at this moment, you know, BJ,
I think it's going to actually come down to something
really simple, you know, much more simpler than that. And
let me let me put you back in the league
for a second. Let me let me give you back,
you know, a few years and you know you're an
NBA player right now, and get you back in and
everything else, all right, you like this, right, we're going back.

(01:10:48):
We're goever. You know, I'll get you back. And things
are happening, and in a couple of months it's the
NBA says, okay, we're ready to play again. Um, we're
going to have to play in a controlled environment, and
we are not going to play in front of fans
because we don't know that it's safe yet. But you players,
we think it's safe for you to play and bang

(01:11:09):
bodies with each other. And you have to make that
decision to say, Okay, I'm ready to go play or
I'm gonna play it safe because we still don't know
enough about this and stay home with my family. What's
your when it comes down to that, what's your decision
going to be? Well? I think the NBA. I think
that's the one thing the NBA has done. They will
have that level of communication with the players in the league,

(01:11:31):
and I don't think that will even be a question
where they will expose players without understanding what's fact from fiction, right,
And I think the health of the players and all
is the concern is the main concern one, two or three.
So I could see that being you know your question.

(01:11:52):
I think I understand that, But I don't think the
NBA would even take that risk moving forward, because what
you don't want to do. If I'm the NBA and
if I'm the league, I don't want to jeopardize the
startup next season for sure, any shape, in any in
any form right, Um, we're trying to salvage this in
this end of the season, right, we've already played about

(01:12:13):
seventy I don't think at all. I think all thirty
teams really share. If there's one thing that they all
share is they don't want to jeopardize the start up
next season in any way by putting at risk the
health of a player that would really push back the
next season or worst case scenario, you know you miss

(01:12:34):
you know, you miss all of next season because of this.
So I think that would be the long term play
and thinking about this big picture. Um, so I don't
think they would do that. BJ. Obviously you played with
Michael Jordans. H What do you expect out of this
ten part documentary The Last Dance, which chronicles his final

(01:12:54):
season with the Bulls. What do you expect to get
from that? Well, you know, the more I see it
and you see the interest, you know Robbie as a
as a player, you don't know. I mean, at least
I wasn't aware that, Oh wow, there was so much
interest in the team. I knew we were good. I
knew there were a lot of people back then that
that followed the Bulls. But here we are with some

(01:13:16):
twenty thirty years later and there's still interest. And I
was like, wow, you know, this is a you know
there there's a lot of fanfare around you know what
those teams were able to accomplish. In particular Jordan, I
hope that you get an opportunity to see his preparation.
Might say, he Michael George's preparation for the game. And

(01:13:40):
I hope he shows or at least touches upon his
true love for the game of basketball, right Like you know,
everyone talks about they love it and they do their things,
but he truly loved the sport and he loved competition.
He loved to prepare for and he and I think
that's unique with him because he was such a gifted athlete,

(01:14:01):
but he attacked the game in such a way that
you know, he was He's like a blue collar player
that was trapped inside this wonderful athletic you know, you
know body, um, he was just every single day he
with the attention to detail. So I hope, if anything,
he allows people to see his preparation, his true mindset

(01:14:24):
of how he attacked the game of basketball, how he
was you know, he was a true student of the game.
He loved it. And and that's the one thing you
know that I hope he opens up with because to
watch how he would he knew everything that was going on,
he knew all of the other teams plays, he knew
our plays, he knew every position, he knew the scountering reports,

(01:14:48):
he knew need plays, and he was his detail and
level that he really took the game was like something
very unique. Um, he just didn't show up and play.
And and as I said over and over again, you know,
as great as he was in the games, and they'll
have a lot of game tape, I hope they have
something in practice because he was the greatest practice player

(01:15:09):
I've ever seen. I've never seen someone to be able
to play the game at the level he played and
then would turn around and repeat the same effort level
everywhere in practice. You were drafted in nineteen eighty nine,
And was it true that Jordan kind of said that
you were the only the last rookie he was accepting
or whatever on the team. What was that about? What
was that story he didn't want the rookies but he

(01:15:31):
accepted you. Well, I'm not sure about that one. You know,
I have to check with him. You know, if so,
I'm glad I was the last rookie it came by.
But I think when you when you when you were
a star player, when you were a player in this league,
you you quickly learned that you know what, you're gonna

(01:15:52):
win with experience, and if you're gonna beat the best
teams and you're going to compete at that level, there's
a certain mental toughness that you had that you have
to have and you have to have experience and experience
as part of that makeup. Right, And if we were
going to win, and he was in year what seven
or eight at that time, right in eighty nine or
ninety somewhere around there, we were going to have to

(01:16:14):
win with experienced players. Right. You need talented players, but
you need experienced players because mentally, the mental challenge, to
me is bigger than the physical challenge. So Jordan, I
think he understood it. And when I came into the league,
he was at a point in his career where he
was ready to win. Right, You're gonna win in this
league when your best players are ready to win. Mentally,

(01:16:35):
he was ready. He had won all the awards and
did everything individually that he needed to do to figure
out who he was as an individual player. But now
I think he was going over to the biggest phase
of your career is when you realize that you know
what the game wants meant to be played by one person.
The game was meant to be played as a team.
And that's where I call him in his career. When

(01:16:57):
he understood that, and once he understood that, you know,
the rest is history. He was able to win you know,
six championships. He did everything he needed to do, and
he was able to implement his individual talent into the team. Right.
We had a team, We had a framework of how
we played right called the Triangle offense, and Jordan was
able to integrate, you know, his individual skill set and

(01:17:21):
understand that he had to stop playing the game right
just going off your scoring points and entertaining that's fun.
You can still do that, but you have to do
it now with the purpose and the purposes. We need
your skill set to win the game. And that's what
made him such a phenomenal player. As he was a
phenomenal finisher. Our job was to play the first forty
four minutes, keep it close. His job was to take

(01:17:43):
the last four minutes and win the game. And it's
a combination. It's a rare combination because you don't find
many players who can actually execute that right. You can
do it time for you know, sometimes you can do it,
sometimes you can't consistently every single night, if the game
was within four or five point in the last four minutes,
Michael Jordan's gonna win that game. And that's what his

(01:18:03):
greatest gift was. He could finish. He was going to
finish the game, and he had a mindset that he
didn't mind and he accepted failure right. He was fearless
that way. And I think that's why he's arguably the
greatest player to ever played, is because of mentally how
he channeled his energy. Every single night he was able
to reach greatness and peek into that zone more times

(01:18:26):
than not. In the consistency in which he did it
was just amazing to watch as a pro athlete myself
three times NBA Champ bj Armstrong with us here on
the Dan Patrick Show, Jason Smith, Rob Parker, do you
know how much you're in it? He got any any, any,
any visual of it yet or no? I do not.
What I do know is when Michael Dost call right,

(01:18:47):
nor He normally calls just checks in since heho but
he personally called asked me to make sure that, you know,
to ask me, would I, you know, do that when
he when that's when he does something like that, I
know it was it's special for him. So, um, you
know he called and asked me. It's been over a
year ago that I did the interview, so I have
no idea, um, but I'm I'm really you know, looking

(01:19:09):
forward to it because you you know, there's so many
questions about Jordan, but there's so many things that he
kept private, and I think that's the one thing. You know,
we we just knew him as Michael as mj. But
then there's this air Jordan character, right that people are
just fascinated with, you know, you know who he was.
So hopefully you'll get a chance to see the person
here like we saw every single day. And so we'll see,

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you know, we'll see when it comes out. So bj
if if Lebron James releases highlights of himself the same
day that Michael Jordan's documentary come out, which comes out?
Which one are you watching? All right? You always put
me on the spot. Well, I've seen I've seen most

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of the highlights are probably both of them by now,
you know, with all of the Internet and social media
so forth. But you know, my guy Jordan, and I
really I'm really excited for this one because of the
impact not only on the court, but off the court,
you know, the whole you know, Jordan's shoes and what
it did to the culture, what it did to the community.

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And here we are, you know, you know, twenty five
thirty years later, we're still talking about this man, what
he was able to do on the court and his impact.
So I'm just really excited for it because now you
have a new generation of young kids who never even
saw him play, still wearing the Jordan shoes. And I
just always chuckled to myself, right, you know, like, wow,

(01:20:38):
that was I wish I would have known that then,
you know, I didn't just have no idea. And it's
always funny when I walk around to this day, wherever
I'm at in the world, people will always come up
to me and say, I remember you on those Jordan teams.
So you never know the impact, right, the impact of television,
the impact of radio and all of these things. And
when you have a global icon like a Jordan and

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you see what he was able to do in his
impact on the game. And you see all these young
kids today, you know, Luca Donchees and all of these
young kids from all around the world. You see what
it could be and it's it's it's gonna be fun
to watch. I just want to see the response, and
especially during a time like this, I think it will

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be a great opportunity to peek inside the mind of
a genius, because he truly was a genius at basketball.
On Twitter at BJ Armstrong you can follow him there. BJ.
Appreciate your time, man, Thanks so much. Look forward to
seeing the dock whenever it happens, right, Thank you guys.
You gotta stay safe, stay safe. You know. It's funny
rob to see BJ say things like, you know, we
ran a thing called the triangle offense, and you know, hey,

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people you know want are going to see the passion
Michael Jordan had for the game. And there's such a
disconnect for me because of course I know the passion
Jordan had, I lived it. Of course I know the
triangle offense. And then I have to realize that this
is really going to be mainly for the people who
just had no idea, because look, you know, the Jordan's
last glory days was well over twenty years ago, and

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you know, you know, you and I doing sports for
a living, you know that history is right in front
of our face every day. But for so many people,
it's like, yeah, I want to see why everybody's so
crazy about this Jordan guy. Yeah, I can see highlights
and stuff, but how good was he really? And that's
a real disconnect. I think that that's gonna get solid
with this documentary. Oh there's no there's no doubt about it.
And for a guy like me who was covering the
NBA during that time, you know, I was there when

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Michael made that shot over Craigy Lowe Jason. I was
sitting courtside. I meant I had the greatest seat in
the building at center Court. I'll never forget that. And
I was an MBA writer. I was covering first the
Nets than the Knicks for the Daily News in New
York at that time. So when I see the Jordan stuff,
it brings back a lot of memories. And I'll tell
you this, even back then when we were covering it,

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at that point, we knew how special that guy was.
That we were fortunate to be watching him at the time.
We did Twitter at how about a frescot at Rob
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big story out of the NFL a wide receiver posting
video of him working out with a quarterback who wants

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Rob Parker in for Dan and the Danets. I got
a big NFL draft topic coming your way in a
few minutes. But you know, stop me if you heard
this one before. Here's a wide receiver who wants to
get back in the NFL posting video on social media
working out with a quarterback. Except it's not Antonio' Brown.
It's actually Dez Bryant, former Cowboys wide out, putting out

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a picture up on Twitter yesterday of himself after he
finished out a workout with Dak Prescott and a couple
of other players, in which he writes, Dak and myself
just finished a great workout session. Picked up where we
left off. Rob. There's two things with this story. The
first thing is that I'm not a big fan of
the picture because you're not practicing social distancing right there?

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Got their arms around each other, is there? You know,
regardless to when the workout was. That's not a good
look to be putting pictures online of here's me with
my arms around each other, especially if I'm going to
give Dak Prescott thirty eight million dollars. I want a
decision making to be a little bit better than that.
But the main thing is, you know, for a guy
like Dez Bryant and Antonio Brown, it's like they gotta
know when it's over. And Antonio Brown has too much

(01:24:41):
legal things hanging over his head and he's too much
of a wild card. No one's going to sign him.
Dak des has been out of the league for a
while now, and no one's gonna be He was diminished
when he left the league when he refused the contract
with the Ravens. No one's gonna bring him back. Now,
the Cowboys have been nice to him, you know, and
this is you know, people being nice to them, you know,
working out with quarterbacks. I just think sometimes guys need

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to see one it's over. Yeah, But I don't think
that guys do believe that. They still believe that there's
always going to be a chance someone. You know, there's
gonna be injuries. These guys are forty years old. They
see Tom Brady's still playing, and I know it's different
for a wide receiver, but I'm not mad at guys
who want to stay in shape and think that there

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was a chance. Don't forget Dez had an opportunity to
go with the Saints and then he just got hurt
and couldn't get back out there. So if he feels
like I was that close to having another opportunity and
I'm healed now, I want to go out there. By
throwing with some of the top quarterbacks and having those
guys throw to them, it brings attention to them. It's

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not like they're in a high school and some Joe
blows throw on the ball. You got some of the
top quarterbacks throw on the ball at these guys, and
that's how they hope to get some interest from teams,
and maybe somebody will call one of those quarterbacks and say, hey, dad,
how did he look? Blah blah blah, you know what
you think, And then yeah, he was great. He was cutting,

(01:26:05):
he was moving, he was doing great, and then maybe
they might find some interest in him. So I get it. Well,
but Robbie, he hasn't played in three years. He wouldn't
get it. He's in the Cowboys just all the player
who hadn't played since fifteen. Yeah, Smith, Yeah, but when
he on the game, but since twenty fifteen, No, I get. Look,
the Cowboys take a chance, but he's a guy that

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was at the top of his game when he last
played in the NFL. Dez Bryant was a guy they
had to part ways with because he wasn't that good anymore.
You know, he didn't suddenly get better in the last
three years. No, I get that. But I'm just saying,
if a guy who hadn't playing the league for five
years can get a chance, guys who have been out
for three years or a year and a half or
two years, they're going to hope that somebody has a

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spot for them, especially if somebody gets hurt. That's all
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this week Jason Smith, Rob Parker in for Dan and
the Dan Nets a scheduled week off for them. They'll
be back on Monday. As we kept the boat rolling
over the course of this week, Robin, I you and
I doing our second show of the week together, and
as we get you to things, I'm seeing just how
deep your hatred for the Patriots. Actually, it's really it's

(01:29:05):
really amazing. I don't hate anybody. I'm I'm I'm a reporter,
I'm not a fan. I don't hate the Patriots. I
don't care if they win or lose. I don't care
if Tom Brady wins and loses. I don't care if
Tom of Bay wins. No, I don't I'm one of
the most objective reporters who has ever covered Tom Brady.
I'm calling it the way I see it, and a

(01:29:27):
lot of people, Hey, Chris Canty and everybody else. I know,
we had a little fireworks this morning. But it's all good. Really,
I don't think Brady and objective is what I is
what I get when I when I think of you
and looking at and this, and I'm a bleeping Jets
fan and I'm saying this. I mean, I mean, look,
I've had to watch Tom Brady just work my division
for the past twenty years. And oh, by the way,

(01:29:50):
I had to watch Dan Marino do it for the
fifteen years before that. So I haven't had a path
to the AFC East title since I was twelve years old.
I'm still got nineteen sixty nine. Just hang on to
that before I was born, as before I was born. Listen,
just think about this, Okay. When I was twelve years old,
all right, I thought, Hey, everything was going to be great.
Then the Dolphins draft Dan Marino in eighty three. All right,

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so now here's one of the top five quarterbacks of
all time running the AFC East for the next sixteen years.
Then I get an off year in two thousand, right,
I get a buy year where no one's there, and
then in two thousand and one, Tom Brady shows up.
And I've had him since two thousand and one, so
since I was twelve years old, and again I'm forty
nine now. I have never had a season where the

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Jets and my team are going to be, hey, we
can maybe win the division where the preseason division favorite.
For thirty six out of thirty seven years, I've been
looking up at one of the top five quarterbacks of
all time. That's been my sports life in the National
Football League. No, I get it, and finally some breathing room.
And then is it automatic or its buffalo? Is it

(01:30:55):
the Jets or the Bills who would have favored in
that division? You know, That's the thing We'll get to
to a tongue of ilo in a second. Is that,
you know, I know the Bills. GM talked about this
yesterday that hey the Bills. Uh. You know, look, we're
looking up at the Patriots, and the Patriots are still
the team that that is running the division. You know,
a couple of unnamed uh personnel people think the Dolphins,

(01:31:18):
if they get the right draft at quarterback, could potentially
contend because they got a lot better in the offseason.
You know, I look at this year as this is
the first time in since Brady's been with the Patriots
that a team other than New England goes in is
the favorite. So I think you have to make the
Bills the favorite. All right, they were in the playoffs
last year they got but I think you're right. Yeah,

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I mean, look, I look, I think they're all gonna
be better this year. But I think the Bills, what
they accomplished are you know, you got to look at
them as the favorite. But I see this is, you know,
a season where I think everybody's gonna you be doing
a five hundred dance, and I think that's what the
Patriots are gonna wind up doing. I mean, they've lost
a lot, you know, They've not not just Brady, lost
other players. They didn't replace them in free agency. This

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is kind of a bridge reboot type year for New England. Look,
they're going forward with Jared Stidham, Brian Hoyer and whoever
they wind up getting in the draft, which I think
when it comes down to it, they'll take Jalen Hurts
late and they'll try to turn him into the next
Jimmy Garoppolo, you know, waiting for a year or two.
But this is they're not that talented. You know, as
you said, they were the most overrated eight no team
in NFL history. They've gotten old. They don't have a

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lot of playmakers. But you know, Belichick is dying to
prove that. Hey, every all that's attention on Tom Brady,
watch me win with nothing, right, watch me win with
absolutely nothing. And because of Belichick they'll stay in contention.
But I see the pages like kind of like a
five hundred ish team where they'll contend for most of
the season and the rest of the AFC East will
probably be five hundred ishes. Well, it'll be competitive, it

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won't be a great division. But that's kind of the
reality for New England because they've lost a lot. They've
they've not signed anybody in free agency, and let's face it,
now that Brady's not there, who's going to go there
as a free agent knowing all the horror stories about
New England and how Belichick treats everybody. And Brady had
to leave and Gronk had to retire. I mean, I
think they can be around five hundred, but I think
that's about where you can expect them to top out at.

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I think that's fair. I think that's a fair analysis.
It's hard to believe that they're not winning the division.
Other teams are better, and it'll be interesting just to
see what Bill Belichick can do, especially because I think
it has to be a defensive led team, you know,
it has to be something about that, and then have

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a quarterback who can make some plays right and not
make any big mistakes. That that's the only way they're
going to be competitive. Because I don't see it. I
don't see what they have to offer a stand him.
We don't even know for real. I mean, what kind
of quarterback he's gonna be. Obviously they see him in practice.
We've seen some players come out Jason and say how

(01:33:52):
much they like him and they think he's gonna be good.
But that's all what they What do you expect them
to say, to come out and say this guy's terrible, Well,
we have no shot, you know what I mean? Like
that's when we stop the presses and I want to
read that story, but we never see that story. No. Look,
are you believing these rumors the past few days that
you know the Boston Globe is saying the Patriots could

(01:34:13):
make a big move up for two a tongue of
val I mean, in the in the end, I'd love
to see that, that gutsy kind of moved. But I
can't believe. What are the assets I'm trying to capital
They gotta give up draft picks for this year next year,
and you know Belichick's not going to give up all
those picks all the way to move up to get
you know, just to get too even if Matt Patricia
gives them a sweetheart type deal and Matt Joe, well,

(01:34:35):
you've done a lot for me, coach, so here you go.
Just just take the number three overall pick. I don't care.
I mean, I really that would be that would be lions,
like you know. Unfortunately, but even I can't see that
for the lot. I think that would be a mistake.
And then you don't even know where the Patriots picks
are gonna be, do you know what I mean? It
ain't like their perennial and you have a chance at
some top pick, you don't. They might be middle of

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the road, middle middle kind of picks. So I don't know,
I don't see that happen. And I think that's wishful thinking.
I get it. You know, there are always people who
want to make the best deal for a team that
they like with a team they're covering, and they come
up with some stuff. But I don't see that, you know.
And the draft really does come down to two and

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what the Lions are going to do at number three,
all right, because the last couple of weeks we know
a few things for certain. Number one, that the Bengals
are going to be locked in on Joe Burrow. It's
too late for them to try to make a move
to go to two as simply because look at the
circumstances in the world right now. Traveling and seeing athletes
and trying to work them out and get a feel

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for them is much more difficult. It's going to be
harder for Towah to rise up past Burrow and what
he was able to accomplish last year. So we got
the Bengals will be locked in on Burrow, and it
looks like the Redskins are locked in on Chase Young
at number two. Now this is not the right decision
because it's not like Dwayne Haskins. You drafted me, looked
like he was going to be a world beater. But

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the Redskins have decided we like Haskins, We're bringing in
Kyle Allen, and we're gonna do what the Giants did
two years ago is say we have no choice but
to take say Kwon Barkley. The guy's a generational talent.
And you know, Barkley was really good as rookie year
and he was just okay last year. But that's what
the Redskins are gonna say, Oh, we have no choice
but to take Chase Young, you know, because they want
to get in front of it that if they don't

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take ta and he turns out to be a star. Well,
Chase Young looked like he was going to be the
best defensive player in the draft since Lawrence Taylor. So
they're over hyping him to make it seem like they
have no choice but to take him. Now, whether that's
right or wrong, and I think it's wrong, that seems
like that's where they're going. So now three is where
the draft really changes, and the Lions can put the

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NFL on one track or another depending on what they
want to do, because if they sit at three and
they take Tuah, they can then trade Matthew Stafford somewhere,
whether it's the Patriots or the Chargers, and Tuah tries
to revamp the Lions moribund franchise, and maybe Matthew Stafford
catches lightning in a bottle somewhere else, or they trade

(01:37:01):
out of the pick because someone's gonna want to come
up to try to get to it, because he's rising
up draft boards, which you knew he was going to
do once he got healthy, and someone else is gonna
then take Tah and it's gonna be the Chargers or
the Dolphins, or the Patriots or somebody else, and that
changes the course of NFL history, because look, there was
a reason why there was tank for Tah. This guy
was that good. All he did was get hurt and

(01:37:23):
now he's healthy. Yeah, it'll be interesting. I just don't see.
I'm with you. I think the Lions. If I'm the
Lions on with that pick, I would think about Tah.
You had a decade of Matthew Stafford. Whether you want
to pin it all on them or not, the bottom
line is they haven't gotten it done. They've made the
playoffs I think three times, no playoff wins. They have

(01:37:45):
one playoff wins since nineteen fifty seven, which seems almost
impossible when you think about the NFL, how it's set
up for parody. We used to look at teams the
New Orleans Aids, Tampa Bay Bucks when they had the
cream sickle uniforms, the Cardinals in Arizona, and all three
of those franchises that used to be laughing stocks in

(01:38:08):
the NFL have all gone to the Super Bowl, and
one except for the Cardinals, who Santonio Holmes took a
Super Bowl away from them in the waning minutes of
that Super Bowl. But other than that, the Lions haven't
even sniffed it. Go back to that one playoff win
in nineteen ninety one. Do you remember it, nineteen ninety one.
Maybe you're too young, but that's when they beat the

(01:38:30):
Cowboys with Troy Yakman and Emmett Smith and all those guys.
They the Lions blew them out at the Silver Dome.
And I'll never forget watching that game because John Madden,
right as the game ended said, ladies and gentlemen, you're
watching the two teams of the nineties, the Lions and
the Cowboys. You're gonna hear so much more about these

(01:38:53):
two teams in the next decade. That's exactly what he said.
And guess what, Cowboys went on to win three out
of four Super Bowls and the Lions never got there.
But the Lions were actually a step ahead of that
Cowboys team and had beaten them with all their stars
the year before. So if I'm the Lions, things haven't
worked out after a decade of Matthew Stafford, I need

(01:39:15):
to change my franchise and what's going on. And I'd
step out there and make a change and go for
two up and move on from Matthew Stafford. That wasn't
even a big game from Barry Sanders, right, didn't Eric
Kramer for for like four hundred yards in that game?
I mean, he's such a huge game. Look, but can
you imagine that that they beat that Cowboys dynasty in

(01:39:38):
the playoffs? Oh yeah, yeah. Look, and you want to
talk about underachieving, you're talking about a Lions team that
had since nineteen ninety one. Right, they go Barry Sanders
into Herman Moore into Calvin Johnson, three of the best
players at their position in the past thirty years, and
they couldn't take advantage of that. Don't forget it all
And Dominkin Sue was on that team as well, And

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if you go back and look, I think that his
last year before he bolted from there, they had more
of like the top five defense in the NFL that year,
and they got nothing out of it, even with Stafford,
even with um Calvin Johnson and domin Con Sue. Nothing
happened there. Yeah, Wayne fonts out coaching Jimmy Johnson. I mean,

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who'd to think it? Uh, you know, But but there's
even there's more to it than that. And it should
be easier for the Lions because here they are sitting
at three, right, Like I said, this is where NFL
history is going to change because of what they do
at three. They've had Stafford for a decade, and I
think he can go someplace and still be really good
because yes, he's coming off an injury, but generally the

(01:40:43):
guy's pretty healthy. You know, this is not the Matthew
Stafford you know China Doll from you know, early on
in his career. Yeah, the first couple of years he
was China Doll, Right, But he's someone that's that's pretty
healthy and he's gonna give you a pretty consistent thirty
touchdowns twelve interceptions forty five eight hundred yards. So in
the right system, with different coaching, could he go someplace

(01:41:03):
and and and be really good and be a team
that can be a quarterback I can lead the team
in the playoffs. Yeah, I think he'd be great with
the Chargers. I think he'd be really good with the Patriots.
He could do that, and you could get something for him.
It's not that you're gonna get you know, three first
in a second, but you will get something decent for
Matthew Stafford because of his age still relatively young, he's
thirty two. It's not like in the next three years

(01:41:25):
he's going to really, you know, have a downtick. You know,
he's not doesn't have a physical running style like Cam Newton,
so he's gonna continue on to be in his prime.
But mainly it's when you're picking it three and you
can get your quarterback, franchise quarterback for the next decade,
which you're gonna get with Tuah, and you wouldn't have
to pay Matthew Stafford any more of his money. And
really the Stafford contract is not that big a deal anymore.

(01:41:46):
He's only making twenty million a year. The next couple
of years. That's a bargain now. I mean it was
it was so far overpaid a couple of years ago,
But now it's a bargain that it should be pretty
easy to say, Okay, now we're gonna go with tuah
because this guy was the number one pick in the
draft for two years. We couldn't wait for this guy
to come out. Right, People forget that while they're talking
about Trevor Lawrence a Trevor is gonna be so good?

(01:42:07):
You know, two years ago it was, Hey, we're talking
about two a tongue of viola being that good. And
so it shouldn't be that tough for the Lions to say, Okay,
we're gonna take twa and he's our guy, and we're
gonna trade Matthew Stafford to get a second and a
third or a second and a fourth, and we're gonna
get pretty good players for him and revamp the team.
You know. But on the end, it is the Lions,
and I'm sure they'll do this safe thing, which is, well,

(01:42:28):
we can get a bunch of good draft picks and
we'll move out of number three, which is probably what
they're gonna wind up doing. But it should be a
lot easier decision than than how it's going right now.
We should we should know already that two is going
to wind up being a lion because of how the
draft is gonna go. Yeah, I just don't do it
would be so online like that's not what they do.
They still feel good to have Matthew Stafford and be

(01:42:50):
eight and eight, nine and seven. He's never won a division.
I go back and there's two instances. Well you might say, well,
they got terrible management. They they don't have a running game,
they don't have this, they don't have that. There were
two moments when I really looked at the lines and said,
here's a chance for Matthew Stafford to really do something

(01:43:10):
and change the culture. And I don't know if you
remembers a few years back when Green Bay came into
Detroit Jason for the last game of the year. Do
you remember that with the division on the line, and
all the lines had to do was beat Aaron Rodgers
and the Packers at home, they would have won the division.
They would have given themselves a first round by and

(01:43:31):
a playoff game at Ford Field, where they're much better
than when they go on the road. And they got
blown out basically. You know, they scored a couple of
late touchdowns to make the score look better, but they
didn't win. Also, when they played the playoff game in
Dallas against the Cowboys, you know, there was a bad
called by the official. Everybody says, oh, look, the Lions
always get jobbed the officials. Whatever. They were still in

(01:43:55):
that game, Stafford got the ball back with two and
a half minutes to go and two timeouts and it
was four and out. That was your chance that, despite
everything else that was going on, you had a chance
to march the team down right and win the football game.
And it would have been a great signature win. The
big thing is, after a decade, it's hard for you

(01:44:16):
to even figure out and put your finger on a
signature win for Matthew Stafford. After a decade, it's mind boggling.
He was the number one overall pick and sometimes, just sometimes,
when you have a special quarterback, he can win games
when the running games did not there, or when the
defense isn't as good as it needs to be or

(01:44:37):
players are down. That's what franchise quarterbacks and great quarterbacks do,
and Matthew Stafford hasn't been able to do that. That's
why I give him the nickname stat Padford because he
pads his stats. But he doesn't win any big games.
But you don't think. You don't think with a change
of scene and it is Lions are the Lions. If

(01:44:57):
he goes to the Chargers, suddenly he's gonna struggle. I mean,
I think he's e could throw thirty five touchdowns with
the Chargers. I mean, they have so many weapons there.
You don't think he'd be good with Belichick and McDaniels
in New England and and cut down on turnovers and
be I don't know. I don't know yet. You know
why I don't know because he hasn't played in any
big games, Like he really hasn't, So I don't know.

(01:45:18):
Is it different Jason, when you when you're a quarterback
and you're down twenty one nothing and then you're able
to be able to throw the football and then not
gonna pressure you to just gonna have you eat up
clock and throw the ball in front of you. Do
you know what I mean? Like? How many of those
games are you starting when the games matter and and
what performance you can do. That's the issue that I

(01:45:39):
have is so many of his games he starts where
he's in the hole, and it's much easier. At that point,
you can't run the football. You're down twenty one nothing
or seventeen nothing, right, all you do is throw the
football to try to get back in the game, and
oftentimes they allow you to throw in front of him.
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(01:45:59):
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Jason Smith, Rob Parker in for Dan and the Danets.
We got Marcellos Wiley stopping by to talk football with
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to get out of this Tom Brady interview with Howard
Stern next week? Is he going to suddenly unload on
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(01:46:41):
Wiley coming up. I said, Sean Merriman because he's on
fire about this next story on Twitter. But we got
Marcellos Wiley coming up in a few minutes Fox Sports
one NFL analysts, and I'm sure we're gonna get into
this conversation with him. As former Jets and Bill's head
coach Rex Ryan making some news this hour. Rob Parker
as he went on ESPN early this morning and was

(01:47:02):
asked about Amari Cooper, who signed a big contract with
the Dallas Cowboys, you know, five years, one hundred million dollars.
And let's just say that Rex has decided he's not
a big fan of Amari Cooper. Take a listen to me.
This is the biggest disappearing act in the National Football League.
He doesn't show up on the road, he doesn't show
up against when the competition's good, when he's against the

(01:47:24):
top corners, that guy disappears. This is who he is.
And Dan, he doesn't love football, hell with it. He
stops his routes, he does all this. I wouldn't have
paid this turn no way in hell. All right, So
that I got a problem with this. Okay, So the
analysis of Amari Cooper of a player. Look, Rex has
done enough in his NFL career as a coach to

(01:47:46):
earn the right to say what he feels about a player,
right to say I feel that Amari Cooper, this is
an overrated signing. He disappears on plays, he stops his routes.
I mean, this is stuff he sees and has seen
as a head coach. And I get that. You know, look,
Maari Cooper has done you know, I've had a pretty
good career numbers wise. I mean, look, he's he's still
you know, four years, he's been a Pro Bowl player.

(01:48:08):
But Rex has earned the right to have that opinion.
But now you go on TV and you call a
guy a turd, that mean that's that you're going over
the line there, that's crossing the line. I mean that
that that word you could. I love a strong opinion,
you know I do, Jason, and there's nothing wrong with that,
But that that word used in that situation of circumstance

(01:48:29):
is over the line. It really is, you know, And
it's it's kind of of part and parcel to who
Rex Ryan is, you know. But I feel like Rex
has hit the point where, look, when he was going
to be an ex head coach, right he was getting
into the broadcast booth. So many people said, oh, Rex
is gonna be so great, He's gonna be unfiltered, He's
gonna be awesome. And I knew he was just gonna

(01:48:50):
be okay because he still wanted to get back in
the league as a head coach. Right. He still thinks
of himself as the Jets head coach. Right, he still
thinks he's he's the head coach of the Jets. He's
him talk. He still thinks that's his job. You know,
he's been gone for years now, but when he got
into the broadcast booth, I knew he still wants to
be a head coach. He's gonna do what most people
do when they want to have a career in the NFL.

(01:49:10):
I'm gonna go light with my analysis and breakdown because
I don't want to alienate myself from the from the business,
in the brotherhood. I want to be able to get
back in. But now, after all these years away, he's
realized no one's given me a head coaching job. So
now screw it. I'm gonna talk like I talked to
the Jets and the Bills when I was there coach,
and I'm gonna call a guy a turd if you
want to do that behind closed doors when you're on

(01:49:31):
having a film session and you want to say, look
and I want to tell you Rivus or I want
to tell you whoever he used to find Gilmour. Look,
this guy is a turd man. He quits on plays,
he does X, Y and Z. You know that's something
you're talking to your team and you're firing them up,
and that's that's fine. But you go on TV and
you call a guy a turd, It's like it's the
you know, like or not like a guy, whatever you think. Basically,

(01:49:53):
you just went on and you're just gonna have name
calling sessions. Now can you call the guy a TD?
Can't have name name calling. You can give fair analysis
the points that he makes, all the other things he
could have, he could have had other stuff to say. Hey,
in in the in the second half in the final
UH final eight minutes of a final twelve six minutes

(01:50:15):
of an NFL UH game, Amori, these are his numbers.
He disappears, do you know what I mean? Like to
back up your point, you could do something like that,
but I just the name calling. UH. Me and Rick
Barry got into a big fight on the radio once
because he called me a loser and you could, you
could criticize me all you want push back. He's a

(01:50:36):
he was a former great player. He could disagree with
my point of view. Chris, I mean Jason, and I
don't know, you know, well, I'll talk like Chris Berus. Sorry.
I like Rex Ryan. I don't love him, but I
like him. You know, I get it. But Rob, you
go ahead and explain, but you but you know what
I'm saying. In but when you get to that, and

(01:51:01):
he called me a loser right on the radio, and
I just wouldn't accept that. You could say that you
disagree with my opinion, you could whatever it is, but
name calling should never be accepted. That that's that's wrong.
I don't care if you're an analyst television, radio, no
name calling. Yeah, I mean, it's it's also it's disappointing,
you know, it's disappointing to hear that here's a guy

(01:51:22):
I'm going to get into name calling now, even even
though hey, you know I'm on TV and I'm giving
my opinion and look like I said, Rex Ryan has
earned the right to have an opinion about players because
of what he's accomplished. In his career. But when you
go down, it's like when you go down to name calling,
it's like I stopped taking you seriously because now it's
like you're just looking for what do you want to start?
Name calling or cursing? I feel like you're just looking

(01:51:44):
for attention, right, and that's where and that's where Rex
is going with us. Now. I haven't been getting the
attention I should have been getting as an analyst because
I've wanted to get back in the league. So I've
really pulled my punches and he has. I mean, he's
not been someone who's moved the needle, you know, and
everybody an ESPN thought he was going to be when
he came in. So now what I'm gonna do is
I'm just gonna I'm gonna use language and that's gonna

(01:52:04):
and that's gonna get me noticed, which is which is
really sad, but unfortunately that's what some people are gonna
respond to in this country. Look, now, this is gonna
be a big deal today. That's gonna be a big
deal for Rex Ryan today, no doubt about it. But
as low as common denominator name calling and stuff like that,
that's not where you want to go. That's not how
you're gonna get respect from your peers, your other analysts

(01:52:25):
who are on television, or even the players. If Rex
Ryan comes around and is looking for information or whatever,
are you giving them any? I don't think as a player,
would you give him any. I don't think you give
them anything. You can't cross that line. That's a big
mistake today. Yeah, I mean I don't know that. I
would guess, and I'm just guessing because if I know

(01:52:46):
where Rex Ryan works, you and I both worked across
the street there, and you you understand, you know with
that certain places fight perception all the time. This look,
this is why I always say, you know, I've had
my radio career now as long at Fox as I've
had to ESPN, and I can't tell you how great
it is to feel that I can tweet whatever I
want to as long as I don't go overboard. I

(01:53:08):
can tweet whatever I want to. And Fox doesn't care
if I'm entertaining and I'm doing the right thing and
I'm bringing strong opinions, they don't care. But across the
street they really care. And I would bet at some
point in the next hour, you're gonna see some kind
of statement. I was out of line. I was overboard
because guess what the cowboys are gonna call and say,

(01:53:29):
what are you guys doing? Why is Rex Ryan calling
our player or a turn? You're right, you're right, you're right,
We're sorry, and there's gonna be some kind of apology
either from ESPN or from Rex Ryan, because I know
how that place works. About it. Right now, he's being
called into the principal's office. You know how it goes
right joining us now on the hot line. Speaking of
guys who have been well across the street, former NFL

(01:53:51):
All pro you find them on Speak for yourself Fox Sports.
One NFL analyst, one of the good guys in sports,
Marcellus Wiley. Marcellis, what's happening, man? I'm doing I'm doing great, man,
sound like I missed the firestorm? What's going on in
on the building? Well, if you called Amari Cooper return
on ESPN, what would what would be the immediate result

(01:54:12):
for you after you got off the air? I really
don't know because I've never say nothing like that. That's
what Oh no, no, I'm not telling you would, But
that's what Ryan just did. Man, I know these people
out of control. Man, it's so funny. I don't care
who you are and will walk of life. You get
into this calm, controlled, air conditioned setting and you start

(01:54:35):
thinking you bigger than life, getting this guy complex. I've
been talking about people in the media and people of
platforms really being disconnected from the grind for so long,
and no lie, because I played both sides, obviously as
an athlete and now being in media. I love the
return fire from these athletes when we just sit up
there and act like we could do all things. And

(01:54:57):
so I don't know exactly the details of this, but
I don't care how sorry you are. In a professional sport.
You're not a turn You're not a scrub. It's just
all relatives. Some guys are greater than others, but they're
all black belts. So shows up perspect no, no, no
doubt about it. That was over the line and we
will be hearing more about that good road. I was

(01:55:23):
gonna say the We were talking earlier about Tom Brady
going to Tampa Bay. Uh. My only question, marselves, why
do you think Tom Brady didn't have as many offers?
There were a lot of teams looking for quarterbacks, four
or five teams that made moves, but Tom only had
two two offers. The Chargers, who of course need to

(01:55:45):
sell tickets in that new stadium and they have some weapons.
They offered him a deal, and of course Tampa Bay,
which hasn't made the playoffs in twelve years. Why do
you think there were so few offers for Tom Brady?
Was it the money that he wanted, which was two
years was guaranteed, or was it that he's forty three
and we saw a bad year from Tom Brady last year? Yeah,

(01:56:06):
I think it's it's the latter. I think it's a
forty three and it's not just so much age. It's
age and the decline, and they mapped together and they
became parallel. They became congruing. Like you saw Tom Brady
win the MVP a few years ago, and since then
all of his numbers have declined in major statistical categories.
What has covered that up and given it some better

(01:56:29):
cosmetics is the fact that the team has won. And
you know, he went to two of the last three
Super Bowls and won one. So we get it to
a team concept. But we start saying, hey, Brady's not
as bad as advertised. But then when you get that
ISO cam, and every player has been in the locker room,
been in the film room before, has seen the ISO cam.

(01:56:50):
When they don't look at the crowd, they don't hear
the broadcasters voice, you don't see your teammates. It's isolated
on you and your performance only. And if you look
at it through that narrow lands, tom Brady has taken
a step or two back, but he still has the
physical skill set necessary to win in this league. He's
still gonna be one of the better quarterbacks in our league.

(01:57:12):
But Tom Brady's a great in terms of production, not
just Accolade. Production certainly is a little different now, a
little less than he was a few years ago. All Right,
I had to look up congruent to make sure we
say it on the radio, and it turns out it's okay.
It means yes, Jason, don't I don't want no, you're

(01:57:34):
not And Jason, don't be Jason, don't be mad because
you didn't go to Columbia and you went to Syracuse.
Because both Marcellis and I are Columbia proud Columbia crad
So that's right. So Jason, you wouldn't understand that going
to Syracuse. Listen, I wanted to go to college where
my team was gonna win football game. So hey, Mike,

(01:58:00):
drop drop right here. We got no comeback. Still, I
still wear my Columbia sweatshirted hat. I don't care. That's right.
We're pride, you know, Marcelas you talked about Brady and
I kind of see the next two years for him,
not like you know, Look, Peyton Manning was was different,

(01:58:20):
you know, but this it's going to kind of play
out like Joe Montana's last couple of years with the Chiefs.
I think he's gonna have moments this year where he go, boy,
Brady can still do it. He's got a lot of talent,
He's got a lot of weapons. The defense is young,
it's pretty good. I think he'll do enough, especially you're
adding a playoff team. He'll get them into the playoffs.
But you're gonna still see the decline. He's not going

(01:58:41):
to find the fountain of youth in Tampa Bay. Well,
you know, it's interesting, we're asking two different things in
terms of a limited market, and obviously you only had
a couple of suitors because of the age, the decline
the birth certificate was really yelling at teams, but Now
he lands in Tampa with those weapons and it's gonna
be able to dress him up even more so than before.

(01:59:04):
And he didn't have those weapons. In New England, he
had a thirty five year old Julian Edelman who was
coming off of p D suspension because he knows he's
on his last leg, and that was your number one,
your number one. Trust me, as a former defender, if
we look at an offense and they say Julian Edelman
is their best threat, you're like, oh man, this is

(01:59:25):
gonna be fun. And it wasn't fun with New England Patriots,
especially offensively last year. The defense was stout. It was good.
Some say it was a little over hyped based on
their rankings and they weren't as good, and we saw
at the end of the season that kind of catch
up to him. But I think tom Brady's gonna really
hit the ground running with Bruce arians his style of play,

(01:59:47):
taking shots, something that Tom Brady couldn't do necessarily last
year because he didn't have the weapons. But we've seen
him do it before in the past when he did
have those weapons. I think he could still do it physically,
and he's gonna be with Chris god Went, Mike Evans.
You talk about Jones in the running game off, He's
gonna he's gonna be pretty no matter how que he is,

(02:00:10):
He's gonna get enough makeup to make himself look beautiful
next year. In trust, you know what Marcella's I'm still
not convinced. I remember everybody when God got over the
Browns last year, when they got the O. B J
trade and they look on look at their roster on paper,
and they went from a million to one to fourteen
to one to make it to the super Bowl. I

(02:00:30):
can go on and on and on, and you know what,
the Bucks. I get it on paper. But Tom Brady
at forty three, and the way he looked last year,
even when they were eight no last year, I thought
that was the worst eight NO team I had seen.
I'm not convinced that they're going to the playoffs. I'll
still pick Atlanta ahead of them. I'll still pick New
Orleans ahead of them. I'm not convinced. I still think

(02:00:53):
Tom Brady has something to prove. All I hear that,
I totally get it, especially football, A lot of times
you look at these teams in terms of talent and
you start playing the name game on paper, it never
turns out as good as it sounds on paper. It
never does because it doesn't factor in the intangibles, the immeasurables,

(02:01:16):
the things you just can't get a ruler out and
take measure and figure out about a person and the player,
and also the chemistry how they're gonna work together. Will
there be an osmosis effect in terms of tom Brady
and his winning just landing in that locker room and
it spreads around that locker room, it becomes contagious or

(02:01:36):
is it as tom Brady's kind of isolated as what
he used to be, but who he is now is
not igniting this team and they may not connect. So
that's a scenario. But if I had to bet the house,
I wouldn't bet on that scenario. I would bet on
that tom Brady's going to hit the right guy, hit
him on time, and if he can't push the ball

(02:01:58):
down feel like he used to, then we're gonna just
open up the short the intermediate passing game and having
Oj Howard and having that tight end core, they just
have so many levels. It was tom Brady is gonna
have something to feast on. So this is a buffet
right now. I think in New England it was a
little more customized and specialty to Tom Bray and his

(02:02:19):
limits and the limited options. But in Tampa it seems like,
hey man, once you walk through the door, the world
is yours. We'll see if they could play it out,
but somebody sneezed on it, so we'll wait the worse.
Oh man, that's the worst. Hey, you think we're gonna
get anything from him? In his interview with Howard Stern

(02:02:40):
next week, he's gonna he's gonna light the Patriots up
because I just don't see that happening with him next week. No,
not in that respect. I don't think he goes there.
His legacy is tied to New England forever. More so,
why would you ever want to burn the place you
left when you know you got to return there in
terms of legacy and in terms of memory. So he's
gonna always protect the Patriots. And I think that's why

(02:03:03):
he actually quote unquote made himself the recruiter in terms
of going to Tampa Bay. He didn't let them recruit him.
He said, I want to go to Tampa Bay. And
I think that's a cleaner break from New England versus
New England having to deny Tom Brady or Tom Brady
saying something bad about New England therefore he won't go there.

(02:03:24):
So it really silences a lot of the criticism. But
we're gonna see more of his personality, and certainly in
this interview he's gonna say something that you're gonna say,
WHOA the New England Patriot tom Brady, the Patriot way
Tom Brady is behind him. I think that's what's occurring.
And it even started in New England with TV twelve.
I remember what it was, twenty thirteen. He started TV

(02:03:47):
twelve and Tom Brady and I crazy enough share a
marketing agent. So I can't blame the agent when I
don't get deals because I know Tom Brady getting all
the deals. It's not that agent and it's O Marcellis.
But I remember talking to him and just hearing behind
the scenes what Tom Brady was really trying to create.

(02:04:09):
And since TB twelve started in the facility next to
the Patriots facility and his granding, his marketing, his Facebook show,
the T shirts, him copyrighting things, teller Brady's like I've
been suppressed in terms of my personality enjoying my workplace.
He's had tremendous success. His trophy Bantel looks better than

(02:04:29):
any football player ever. We get all that, but we
all also do what we love, and we love doing
it and we love where we are doing it. And
I think that's the part of the equation that gets
lost on people. They see a Super Bowl ring and
they think he's supposed to smile every single day, every
single way. But Tom Brady didn't enjoy to the fullest
going to work like he should. I think that's going

(02:04:52):
to change in Temple. You can follow on Twitter at
Marcellis Wilet's at Marcellis Wiley hosted Speak for Yourself at
Fox Sports. One former All Pro and most importantly Ivy
League Hall of Famer Marcellus Wiley. We're not always congruent.
We're always conrue with here on the show. But hey, brother,
I love saying that. Man the Hall of Fame. I

(02:05:13):
only got one Hall of fame to go with the Canton.
I'm coming Canton never, but I'm coming. You can buy
You can buy a ticket like everybody else. Yeah, right,
all right, brother, appreciate thy easy, Marcelis. Yeah, would he
dropped a congruent on us, Robin, I'd like to drop
some words once in a while, like conflagration or you know.

(02:05:35):
But he dropped congruent, and I was like, well, that's
I like that. I'm i gotta use congruent more often
in conversations. You know, I can't even get that out,
so I'm not even going that route. You're a writer,
you should words like congruent. Yeah, that would never appear
in my column ever. Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Rob
Parker in for Dan and the Dan That's coming up next. Hey,

(02:05:58):
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(02:06:19):
live Fox Sports Radio. It is the Dan Patrick Show.
Dan X had a scheduled week off. They'll be back
on Monday. And maybe Rex Ryan has a job on Monday.
Maybe he doesn't. The big NFL story this hour Thanks
to Marcellus Wiley for stopping Bio. A few minutes ago,

(02:06:42):
Rex Ryan, former Jetson Bill's head coach, went on ESPN's
Get Up earlier this morning and was talking NFL, and
Rex decided when he was asked about Amari Cooper and
Cooper's new five year, one hundred million dollar contract, he
wasn't a big fan of it. But then Rex being Rex,
when all the way to the line and then really

(02:07:04):
crossed over it. Take a listen to me. This is
the biggest disappearing act in the National Football League. He
doesn't show up on the road. He doesn't show up
against when the competition's good. When he's against the top corners,
that guy disappears. This is who he is. And Dan
he does love football, hell with it. He stops his routes,
he does all this. I wouldn't have paid this turn,

(02:07:25):
no way in hell, all right, So he goes's funny
jump in after that. I don't know. Look, you and
I are doing the show, so I don't know if
someone jumped in and said anything or if they just
very nervously tried to cover it. I mean, look, you're
not You're not expecting to hear your analysts call a
player a turd, you know, and you know, look talking

(02:07:46):
about Rex, you know this hour on the show. Look,
Rex is bombastic. He's someone We've seen this language from
him before, but this was We've seen it on Hard Knocks,
we've seen it behind the scenes as he's the head
coach of the Jets and the Bills. You are a
national analyst now and you're appearing on television and maybe
you finally decided screw it. I got a little bit

(02:08:07):
of IDGAF in me because I'm not getting back in
the NFL as a head coach, which is the job
he really wants to get back in. So now I'm
just gonna let it, let it loose. Now, I'm gonna
say whatever I want to. And then he goes and
he calls a guy a turd. Look to talk about
him being overrated and not being worth the money. That's
one thing for him to say. Listen, he puts up
great stats, but he you know, disappears in big games

(02:08:29):
and cuts off routes and doesn't try. Look, that's hot,
take ish, and that's fine because Rex has been a
head coach. He earned He's earned that right. But Rob,
you can't you can't just come you go on TV
and call a guy a turd? What what kind of
person are you? Where you're saying, Okay, I no longer
can just have a conversation about things. I'm gonna go
after a guy and call him a turd. Can't do it.

(02:08:49):
The name calling, and especially like for that to come
out of your mouth on national television, that's that's alarming
to me. I mean, seriously, you got to understand the
ramifications of that and what that you know, and what
that will mean to you as you go into it.
Like you say, everything else is in bounds. If you

(02:09:10):
could come up with numbers just to help your argument.
I've always said this whenever guys would call into my
radio show years ago in Detroit and they'd rip a
player and say, you know, he can't he's not a
clutch player, he can't hit in the ninth inning or
when you need a big hit. I'd always say, if
you come on and say that, that's fine, But if
you tell me that in the last three years he's

(02:09:32):
batting old ninety four in the ninth inning, then you
know what, you got an even stronger argument. You just
can't make blanket statements because last night, the guy didn't
get a hit in a big spot. So my point is,
if you want to do that, and you want to
take down a Maori and say he's not worth the money,
build a case based off of numbers and stuff that
people can look at and go, I didn't know that, Jason,

(02:09:55):
Do you know what I mean? And then you have
a stronger argument, and now watch the damn control. Because
ESPN is so cognizant of their reputation, you're gonna see
players all over social media that are gonna light rex up.
I bet you the Cowboys call and say, what's your
guy doing? Calling our guy a tird? And you're gonna
see some kind of public apology, at least maybe a suspension,

(02:10:18):
because ESPN is gonna want to say, hey, hey, everything's fine,
don't worry. We love the Cowboys, we love the NFL,
we love everything about this. But this is gonna be
a big firestorm. Would I would get bet you're gonna
see something within the next couple of hours to that extent,
no doubt about it. I've been to the principal's office,
You've been to the principal's office. That will definitely happen.

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