July 30, 2024 • 38 mins
Chris and Rob explain why Kevin Durant being regarded as the greatest player in USA Basketball history is a meaningless title, discuss how much Olympic play matters when it comes to a player’s legacy, tell us why they have a problem with the NFL Top 100 voting criteria and take a trip out to Shekel City for Rob’s nightly bets.
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I'm lovely, fantastic, fantastic, very good.
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Here you go, very nice, nothing wrong with that, Yes, yes,
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Got the NBA Dunk Contest hot you know, historic dunk
contest on one channel and the Olympics on the other.
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I'm all good, good to go then, all right?
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You might want to do an alternative. I'm just saying,
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Speaker 1 (02:24):
So Rob a big story right now and it's fun.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Is Team USA men's basketball their quest to win the
gold Man.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I think this would be the fifth straight.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
And Kevin Durant, who was phenomenal in the last game
Sunday against Serbia, dropped twenty one of his twenty three
points in the first half and he just added to
his total. Rob which continues to grow as he's the
all time leading scorer in Olympic history, and I believe
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has three gold medal was Rob g correct me if
I'm wrong?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Three gold medals? So he's going for us fourth.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And they play tomorrow night against South Sudan. Now, remember
they only beat South Sudan by a point. They were
favored by more than forty in an exhibition game, but
Duran wasn't there. Now they're favored by about twenty nine.
I think it is right now, and.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
So I will say this Ron, if we don't beat South.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Sudan handily, if it is a close game again six.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Points, five points, four points.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Whatever, then we got something to worry about. I will
give it to us that we took them lightly going
into that exhibition game and they shocked us with their quickness,
athleticism and shooting ability.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And we only we were fortunate to win.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Lebron hit a buzzer beating layup or not not buzzer beating,
but last second layup to win. And this game, we
they will not sneak up on us. We are not
taking them lightly. It counts as not an exhibition game.
If it's a struggle, then you know, don't don't don't
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clear the space on your mantle for the gold medal
just yet, but I think we'll handle them pretty easily.
But anyway, said all that to say, Coach K was talking,
I think it was to day, and he said this
rob about Kevin Durant.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
Well, I think he is because of longevity and accomplishment.
It's unique. But the amount of points he scored, he's
he scored a lot more than anyone else, and Jim
and when he did them, and when he scored in
Istanbul in twenty twenty averaged thirty three points a game
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in the Metal round. Obviously in London he was part
of the huge team that we have with le Bron
and Kobe, and in twenty sixteen in Rio he was
by far our best scorer and really what our team
to the gold medal?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
All right?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
So he was asked, is Kevin Durant the greatest men's
basketball player in Olympic history? And so he said, yes,
because of his longevity. What are your thoughts on that round?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Coach K? Quickly, let me tell you, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Quickly, Kevin Durant's career average in the Olympics dropped nineteen
point seven. I guess we could say twenty points now.
He dropped the twenty three. Michael Jordan's second at sixteen,
Charles Barcley third at fifteen point four.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Coach, can't hate to rain on your parade, but that
plus two dollars in ninety Centi'll get you on the
subway in New York. I'm sorry, really, coach, k Oh,
my god, Kevin Durant is the greatest USA basketball player ever.
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He WHI twenty points against nobody against mostly nobody's has been,
never was is. It doesn't rait Chris the Olympics basketball.
They've be just saying they had been going for their
fifth gold medal in the bar or whatever it is.
It doesn't raid. Nobody cares about it. From the standpoint.
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It doesn't make you better in the eyes of the
basketball world. It's still about the NBA. Carmelo Anthony had
four medals, right.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
Three goals, the leading scorer, and Chris three goals in
a bronze and that that didn't help him get a
job in the NBA for two seasons or a year.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And a half.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
It didn't move the needle. Nobody was like, oh my god,
he's like unbelievable. On international play. How in the world
don't we have a Carmelo Anthony on the roster.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
No, And that's fine.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You go there, you do your thing, Chris, but it
doesn't give you any juice. I'm sorry. The international play,
the team that they've beaten. That's why nobody makes a
big deal about Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley, the beating
teams by forty five points.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
With that dream team, Chris, that's not competition.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
If you told me and you painted a scenario that
Canada was our equal, I'm just giving you a team, Chris,
Canada was our equal. And Kevin Durant showed up and
busted the chops of Canada and you could name some
of the great Canadian players and was like, my god,
did you see what KD did against A B and
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C and how they won the gold medal? That was incredible.
It's just doesn't rate. People don't have that kind of
memories about it. And I'm not taking anything away from
he's out there to play. He's doing what he does.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
He's one of the best scorers we've ever seen, hands down.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
All I'm saying is it just doesn't It doesn't move
the needle to make people think any more of Kevin
Durant other than what he's done in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's my biggest point. I agree, I agree.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Rob G and I were talking earlier and the question
was does Kevin Durant being I'm fine with if you
want to, I mean, the way coach k said it,
Rob was very innocuous because of his longevity.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Right, that's what he So you played the long against
of course you're gonna have that.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
He ain't better than Michael Jordan. I'm sorry. In the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Jordan led in college. So now, Rob, if.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
You want to say, if people want to compare now
and say, well, hey, the international game, the players are
way better, you can't compare it to ninety two and
ninety six when we were destroying teams.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
That's fair.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
But Michael Jordan played in college. He was a college
kid or right out of college, but still college age
after his junior year playing against grown men, so it
was equivalent. I mean, I'm not here to argue. I
don't care to your point where I don't care that
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Michael George's the greatest, you know, Olympic basketball player ever,
or Charles Barkley or Lebron or Durant, whoever, who cares.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You know, when we care rab when we lose. That's
j only time that you that's when we care. That's
when there's a story. Chris, I always say, wake me
up when they lose, and then we got a story
and a conversation to have, right.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
But we expect them to win.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
We expect Kevin Durant to score points against these other players.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Of course, I think I could go out there and
get four points. I mean really, I mean seriously though
with that squad.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Hey, you know I scored against Nancy Lieberman, So I'm
just saying, no, I'm joking about me.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
But Rob and here's what my point.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
We only care if they lose because in two thousand
and eight people might object and say, well, hold on,
we care about the redeem team with Lebron and Kobe
and Chris, Paul and d Wade. And you know why
we care because we had lost four years earlier. We
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had to redeem ourselves, so we care about them. But
the reason we care about them is because they lost
four years before. We care about ninety two because we
had lost in eighty eight with the college kids and
it was time to send the big boys over and
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so Rob, come on, I mean, and again, this is
taking nothing from KD because he is a phenomenal player
and has been phenomenal in the Olympics. But Rob, when
you've got a team full of absolute superstars and they
don't know who to put, they can't put the defensive
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attention on anybody because Kobe's out there or Lebron's out.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Who do you not calling it right?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I'm sorry, but it ain't that for these guys at
their level, this rock.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
This, I bet you.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
The Olympic Games for Kevin Durant are the easiest adult
basketball he's ever played, the easiest adult basketball he's ever played.
And that's not to belittle the competition. It's just to say,
look at his teammates, Look at his teammates, and this
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is a great catch and shoot guy. This is a
great jump shooter. I mean, my goodness, all they gotta
do is it is jumpers against one man or wide open.
So I'm with you. This does nothing to move him up.
I don't know right where he is exactly. I got
Kevin Durant in the twentieth range. I don't know, somewhere
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between eighteen seventeen, sixteen, and twenty two. Maybe I don't
know exactly, but I don't think.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
If he averages twenty three in these Olympics and we
win goal, it's not gonna move him up one spot
in my rankings.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I'm with you. It just doesn't. It doesn't rate. It
just doesn't.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
The only time this is the story, Chris, is when
it goes sideways.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
If they do what we expect them to do in
these it just doesn't move anybody. Yeah, okay, you're supposed
to win Kevin Durant against those against who you can't
even name who he went against. Most of the time,
you don't know who these guys are. They don't play
at a level. It's a step down. He's playing Cyo
And the only difference is, Chris, that they speak another language.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
All right?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Eight seven, seven, ninety nine or five? You disagree with
robbing me? I mean, are we tripping? Should we bow
down and blow the powers and kiss the ring of KD?
Because he's the all time leading scorer and the living
I'm glad for KD. Do your thang, brother, but it
just doesn't move the needle in terms of where he
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ranks all time. Does it mean anything that Kevin Durant
is the best Men's Olympic.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Basketball player of all time. If you want to say.
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Eight seven seven ninety nine.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
On Fox, Coach k says Kevin Durant is the greatest
men's basketball olympian.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
We say, ho home your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
No doubt. Sean in Sacramento. You're in the odd couple
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 10 (15:10):
What's up, Sean, Yeah, my uncle from another mother. My
brother's behind the board. Real quick, man, I hear the kids.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Who's that? Who's that in the background?
Speaker 10 (15:20):
Oh that's my youngest of the thirteen kids? Man, that's
my daughter.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I know. You know, how many kids do you have.
Speaker 10 (15:28):
In real life?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Chris?
Speaker 10 (15:30):
Four kids?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Three kids?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yes, big fan, but it is and nowadays that's that's
pretty impressive, it really is.
Speaker 9 (15:37):
Sean.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Hey, Sean man trying to you know, they have movies, right,
you can go to the movies.
Speaker 10 (15:42):
Right, I'm just saying, Hey, the movies, but the movies
don't end as well as making these.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Robbert, Okay, that's true about that, right?
Speaker 10 (15:55):
I think coach of Sesskey might have heard that Kevin
Durant was NBA Dad because he's trying to reserve this
whole life from the Olympic stage. Man, Look all you
gotta know is Carmelo Anthony's number two on the all
time scoring list, and nobody knows who number three is.
It's no indicator of how great somebody is as far
as the Olympic Games. Look at what Michael Jordan did
to revolutionize the game. Look at what everybody on the
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Dream Team did to make international basketball more relevant. And
above all that, man, I know it's not trash Talking
Tuesday yet, but just because you are okay on a
great all Star team doesn't make you great. Look at
Doug Gottlieb on the Fox Sports Radio show. Anyway, y'all
take care, happy trash talking Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
There we go, very nice, fired, very nice, Sean, thank you,
good job. Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox, we
got Rob g wants to jump in. Oh he's gonna say,
old head. Of course he disagrees with us. He says
we're old and we don't know what we're talking about.
And that's what's wrong with crotch. The old man in
their fifties.
Speaker 9 (16:54):
I didn't say that.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
You said, wow, Rob in their fifties.
Speaker 9 (17:00):
Rob hasn't been in his fifties month.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Right, you ain't in the fifties. I hate the breaking
to you. I still feel like I'm in my fifties.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You gotta change that little joke. Yeah, I know, right,
all right, rob Gie, what you go?
Speaker 9 (17:12):
Okay? So as far as it's Kevin Durant situation, I
disagree with you guys when you say that it's it's
like a meaningless title because guys like Steph Curry get
a boost for being viewed as the greatest shooter of
all time. Right, Kyrie Irving gets a boost because he's
you just having the best handle of all Isaiah Thomas
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whore a bick your guy. Guys who are on the
Dream Team get boost for being on the Dream Team.
Like when you talk about Charles Barkler having a ring. Yeah,
but he's also part of the greatest team of all time.
So that's why he's, you know, nineteen instead of twenty five.
Whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
No, I don't think anybody moves him up for what
you did with your dream No.
Speaker 9 (17:52):
Zero, Then why is it brought up as part of
their accolades.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
But it doesn't move though those things.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And what you said about Steph and Kyrie, where let's
see Steph's the greatest shooter because he's done it against
what competition, Rob Parker, the NBA, NBA, not on uh
not nobody, Olympics, nobody, nobody knows. Can you give me Olympics.
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But he's still the greatest. If this really mattered, you
couldn't be the greatest.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Shooters because you didn't excel in the Olympics. Right, Kyrie's handled.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Don't nobody care that he was shaking somebody from Lithuania.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
He does it against NBA and.
Speaker 9 (18:34):
Kenvin Durant doesn't do it against NBA competition.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
No, but he does. But he's not doing to level, right,
it's that reason.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And then even there, it's not like he's averaging forty points, right,
twenty points. He could do that in his sleep, Rob
g is that specially if he get I'm twenty point?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Is that nineteen points? Chris? Whatever?
Speaker 5 (18:53):
It is?
Speaker 9 (18:53):
That not four more points than Michael Jordan. Yeah, but
I thought Michael Jordan with the greatest thing is to
slice bread. You know, if he and he could do it,
they played against Angola. There's three guys under five ft
nine on that So.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
It's Carmelo Anthony the second best scorer ever because he's
the second leads that were in the Olympics come.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
But that's definitely a booshlet wherever you put him.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
So why why was Carmelo Anthony I work for two
years your competition.
Speaker 9 (19:15):
How's it a boost because on a team that's loaded
with star players, he was the best scorer.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Mellow averages like ten or eleven points for his Olympic
career this minute. You know why Durant averages so much
because the teams this is the first team he's been
on that's been super stacked. Twenty took my record election.
Twenty twelve had wholeron.
Speaker 9 (19:42):
I mean that team was still really good.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
It wasn't on the level of the I think the
three this team, the redeem team O eight and ninety
two were the in ninety six was a great team.
But those are the most stacked teams. But ROGI, it.
Speaker 9 (20:00):
Can't be nothing either.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
No. I mean, it's it's a line in your bio
and it's a oh wow, leaning score. That's that's nice,
But it doesn't move him ahead of you know, doctor
J or whoever.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You know what I mean, it doesn't matter ahead of
somebody else just because of that you played in it.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
They respect what you've done, but it's not a game change.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
Close it's something that would move him ahead of someone else.
I I there is no way that you can say that.
If you're let me say, doctor J. I'm debating doctor
J and Kevin Durant. You're listing all their accolades that
if you don't mention, Oh, by the way, Kevin Durant
is also a four time goal medalist, all time leading scorer,
and Olympic history kind of stuff is gonna put it
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be the difference.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
It's not debating, so it's going to be a lot
lower the MVP awards, sure, but it close meaning it doesnaistics.
Speaker 9 (20:52):
It's not mean.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
It's low. It's to me, it's so low that it's
virtually meaningless because of who you're playing raw.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
You know why.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
It will be such a travesty if we lose these Olympics.
We don't win the goal we got how many everybody
except Derek White is a future Hall of Famer on
this squad, On this team, everybody except maybe Bam out
of Bayo and Derek White and maybe Tyre's Halliburn.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Who knows. We'll see what he's doing.
Speaker 9 (21:21):
He's so young, he's still one to three guys real quick.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
There no, but but even even's three, that's nine future
Hall of Famers. How many do the other teams have?
Serbia's got one, Canada's got.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
One, and basically, Rob g if they don't win, it
would be a disgrace, it would be outrageous.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So, I mean, they would have been like the.
Speaker 9 (21:44):
It's just you guys can't say and both of you
have said this very publicly, that the Dream Team is
the greatest team ever assembled.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You can't say that if we even talked about the
same I've heard you ever thought about that, Rob Parker
hasn't been recent, but I've heard you both say that
it's been a while. I don't remember that. Yeah, because
the thing about that team, and we gotta admit it,
I mean, Bird was old and had a bad back
and barely played, Magic was a year removed from competitive
basketball because of the HIV retirement. I mean that team
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had like you could make an argument, if this team
wins gold and it's better, okay than.
Speaker 9 (22:21):
Have you never said it?
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Lightner does it boost Christian Layton? He was on the
Dream Team right relative to others because everybody knows he
shouldn't have been on it. Everybody knows it should.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Have been shot.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
So how about Isaiah Thomas. I I hate the fact
that Isaiah Thomas was not on that team. There was
a flight to him. But it doesn't drop Isaiah one
iota in my eyes as far as ranking him because
he wasn't on the Dream Team.
Speaker 9 (22:51):
It depends.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
It depends on anymore near who you're so stocked it.
I'm saying I think nerds put stocked in ahead of Isaiah,
but they're crazy.
Speaker 9 (23:02):
Sure, I don't, but if there's somebody why not Stockton
was on the Dream Team? No, because Isaiah was a
better player. Really, I don't. I don't think it was
that close where it's worth debating those two.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
You made our point that was weak. You feel miserably
stay in the production office. Wow, you just poured.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
I will give you Rob g I will give you this,
but I think it's misguided. There are a lot of
people now watching these Olympics and saying, hold up, I
think Lebron is still the best player in the league.
So right, people, you have said that. No, I've seen
people say, oh, right, right, So those people are putting
a lot of emphasis on these Olympics. What I would
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say is six games, right, Well, it's six games. It's
not enough of a sample. And you got, it's not
like he's playing with chump change in the NBA. He's
got freaking Anthony Davis. I mean, so if Lebron was
still at his Lebron and his peak with Anthony Davis
and the crew he has, they bet right there winning championships.
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So he's not the best player in the world even
though he's playing great in these Olympics. All Right, we've
got some NFL you know, they're doing their top one
hundred players and we're gonna get into that next.
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Speaker 4 (24:37):
Be equivalent Rob in terms of of importance to your legacy,
maybe to kind of like the All Star Game, And
maybe maybe it's before you know, the past decade where
it just became a joke. But you know, MVP at
an All Star Game leading scoring an All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
It's it's a mention.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
But because you know, somebody he won four All Star
Game MVPs, is that gonna move them ahead of somebody
had only won one or two.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
You know, it's kind of that type of it's nice.
It's a you know, we'll recognize it.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
But but but I mean, I mean, people can make
the case if you really want to nitpick about where
it fits in Chris, if you were trying to make
some case, it would be way down the list, That's
all I'm saying. Virtually all the NBA. Yes, it would be,
it would be all the way down there. It just
it just wouldn't be like, oh, he won one NBA.
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Don't look, Chris, he won four gold medals, one NBA championship.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
It would not be like on that list, right exactly.
It's kind of like the n Season Tournament, right Yeah,
you got okay, good, good for you, really nice.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Ask Darvin Ham about the nd season Tournament and the
Olympics and exactly, thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
All right, rob g you got something for us on
this The NFL is doing top one hundred and I look,
I have to be honest.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
This year's list is bizarre.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
It is bizarre at not every single point, but it's
kind of strange.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I mean, Joe Burrow was thirty ninth, the thirty ninth.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Best player in the league, and I think Rob, that
would make him the tenth best quarterback. Two a tongue
of Looa was thirty sixth I believe so that he's
better than Joe Burrow, really, and then Jordan.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Love, I think was thirty four.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Brock Party came in today at twenty eight, and I
like Brock Purty, but I'm not coming He's not better
than Joe Burrow. Matthew Stafford was in the forties, and
so is Jared Goff. Like it's a bizarre, bizarre list,
and they say the players did it, voted on it,
and Rob you maybe you can help us with this,
because I think the criteria used to be, or the
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voting patterns used to be, that they would have these
players vote on their best twenty players and then from
that they would, you know, flesh it out to one hundred.
But my thing with that is I doubt that one
hundred guys would be named enough, you know, on the
top twenty list for them to flesh it out, stretch
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it out to one hundred, So I don't even and
I also doubt Rob g and I bet you guys
are with me.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Players aren't sitting down ranking one hundred players.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Do you believe that?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Route, Like, there's no way I believe players are ranking
one hundred players.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
This is where we talk about it all the time.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
They're just not going to do the due diligence that
other people would do. Reporters, Chris, people who do this
for a living. It's just that's not what they do.
What they do is whatever they remember last is the
thing that they put out there, Chris.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
So they remember Jordan.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Love of.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Win, win a postseason game and blow out the Cowboys,
so he's better than anybody.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
And Brock Barty got to the Super Bowl, and Brock
Party got to the Super super Bowl. All right, they
didn't see Joe Joe Burrow, so they don't think about him, right, Like,
none of it makes any sense, Chris, Seriously, Now, Aaron
Rodgers was ninety second. Now I don't expect him to
be the MVP. Come but come on second, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
It's and what that is it is he didn't play
at four steps Okay, right, So so.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Out of sight, out of mind. It doesn't even make
none of it makes sense, rob Ge, how is it?
What I mean?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I don't know if you even know, but I know
they say the players are the ones they vote, but.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
How do we know how they do it?
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Again, I can't believe players are exactly how you describe it,
Chris the twenty twenty and then from there it's assembled
like a scoring system and then that's how they determine
who the best players are.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
But don't you would you agree with me that?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I mean, what do you how many players you think
are named seventy?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
That's a lot twenty if you know what I mean.
I mean, they don't do that much.
Speaker 9 (29:19):
The only way you can actually get to one hundred
plus players, in my opinion, is if you have, like
offensive linemen have a you know, a preference to picking
defensive lineman because that's what they go against and vice versa.
So maybe they're not saying, oh, I recognize, like those
guys don't even exist, right, but they're like, I recognize
how good you know? Fred Warner is a middle linebacker,
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but the nose tackle for the Detroit Lions, that's the
guy go against and he's awesome.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Well, I guess you could tell the players vote on
your position, like if you're a lineman, vote on offensive
or defensive and defensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
If you're a running back, vote on the skill positions.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
If you're you know, maybe they're that and then they
wait the positions.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Or you just Chris, you have a scoring system and.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Center rates in the top you know what I mean,
like percentile, then he's pushed into that higher the list
because he got ninety eight percent of the votes as
the center.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (30:23):
So all those players who are in that ninety eight percent,
they would be listed in that order so that they
could be in the top twenty or to be in
the top fifty, do you you know what I mean.
That's the only way you could do it. But the
way that they've done it here is it's just there's
no science to it. There's no rhyme or reason. It's
it's useless. It really is, well to your.
Speaker 9 (30:45):
Point because you said it's just the most recency bias.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
Right.
Speaker 9 (30:48):
So Jordan Love, despite him getting the records, any contract
was only good for the last you know, nine games season,
right right, So that's him. The inverse of that is
Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cristins right play well, but till he
got hurt in week eight, was leading the NFL and
touchdown passes, and was second in yards and was lighting
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it up before he tore's achilles in that exact game
in week eight. So if you were compared the first
seven weeks of Kirk Cousins in the last nine weeks
of Jordan Love, they're basically the same guy. And yet
Kirk Cousins is somewhere in the eighties and Jordan Love
is number thirty four.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah, it it And what happens is, unfortunately, when it's
this haphazard and all over the place, it kind of
devalues the list, you know, because I mean, I look,
I would imagine that their top twenty and top ten
especially are I.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Mean, we've seen it before.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
What Mahoons was right eighth one year right, right, I
would guess that they're a little bit better, hopefully, But
I guess that that kind of goes against.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
My argument when you have my whole eighth one year so.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
Well, Jalen Hurts went from unranked to number three overall
in one season.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah. See, it's total recency.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
It's just Sobut right, what you've seen and he play
had a great season, so now he's the best thing.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Last year the season wasn't so great, So now he's not.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
I would think he might be a he might go
against that this year in that I'm assuming he because
they got twenty guys left. There are six good quarterbacks left, Mahomes, Stroud, Lamar,
Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, and Dak So my assumption is
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those six will be within the top twenty players.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
But maybe Hurts isn't. If he isn't, that totally.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Bolsters your point, Rob, because all of a sudden he
went from third best to now he's not in the
top one hundred.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Right, But if he is, I mean, I guess that
would go against it. We'll see.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Maybe he won't be, I mean, because he obviously didn't
have a great year, So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
All right, Check is.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Next and the Dodgers, they haven't quite been the super
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Or which one did you like? The smaller train or
the big the big trains. Remember there was the ty
like tychover the big I've never had the big ones,
you know what. I'm talking the smaller one.
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I don't ever recall many of them working well, do you.
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No, I agree that they didn't work well. But I
did have some of them that would go around the
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The All right, here we go with a little Shekel
City on this Wednesday night, got three nighttime games starting.
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Is it Tuesday? It's today Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I just realized we're gonna announce trash talk on Tuesday
at the top of.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
The one hours.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
It is a Tuesday. Thank you so much. It doesn't
change my games, but the day I gotta get it right.
All right, here we go. I got the Pittsburgh Pirates
plus one and a half. That's my best bet. They're
in Houston taking on the Astros. Let's go with the
Colorado Rockies plus one and a half. They're in Anaheim
taking on the Angels tonight. And I'm gonna take the
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Padres in San Diego hosting the Dodgers. Chris Padres plus
one and a half hosting the Dodgers in San Diego,
Colorado plus one and a half in Anaheim taking on
the Angels, and the Pirates plus one and a half
taking on the Astros in Houston. And remember, I'm not
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telling you who to bet on. I'm telling you who
I bet on.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
All right, Rob, Well, a lot of people bet on
the Dodgers to be the best team in baseball this.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Year, and.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
You're down on them, and we'll get into that quickly.
But Rob, they've got the second best record in the
National League and tied for the third best record in
all of baseball, and yet you still think they're really underachievement.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, it doesn't feel like that at Like from where
they started, Chris, there was a long stretch during this
season where they were like five hundred and they got
they got a roster. And I know that's injuries, but
other teams have the injuries as well, right, So I'm
just saying I look at the record, but I have,
like you know what we talk about. You look at
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the game or you look at them, and what do
they look like to you? They don't look like the
team I thought was going to run away and go
to the World Series.
Speaker 9 (37:27):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
The Phillies are better than them. Yeah, yeah, no, And
Phillies got the best record in base right, Phillies are
better than them.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
And I thought the Dodgers would be the best team
in the National League regardless.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
But they've made six trades Chris this week. Yeah, they're
trying to get it done, and a total of seven
in this month.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
So it tells you that they're not happy with their
roster either, that they're making all of these deals.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
So that's all. I don't think that they feel as
good as all do you are you giving it much
of a chance. Obviously, anything can happen.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I'm not off of them, but it doesn't feel good.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I guess not
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Got the NBA Dunk Contest hot you know, historic dunk
contest on one channel and the Olympics on the other.
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I'm all good, good to go then, all right?
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And Rob Parker on in my ear drums, blowing them
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You might want to do an alternative. I'm just saying,
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This is the well we got. This got the the
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Speaker 1 (02:24):
So Rob a big story right now and it's fun.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Is Team USA men's basketball their quest to win the
gold Man.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I think this would be the fifth straight.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
And Kevin Durant, who was phenomenal in the last game
Sunday against Serbia, dropped twenty one of his twenty three
points in the first half and he just added to
his total. Rob which continues to grow as he's the
all time leading scorer in Olympic history, and I believe
(02:58):
has three gold medal was Rob g correct me if
I'm wrong?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Three gold medals? So he's going for us fourth.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And they play tomorrow night against South Sudan. Now, remember
they only beat South Sudan by a point. They were
favored by more than forty in an exhibition game, but
Duran wasn't there. Now they're favored by about twenty nine.
I think it is right now, and.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
So I will say this Ron, if we don't beat South.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Sudan handily, if it is a close game again six.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Points, five points, four points.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Whatever, then we got something to worry about. I will
give it to us that we took them lightly going
into that exhibition game and they shocked us with their quickness,
athleticism and shooting ability.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And we only we were fortunate to win.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Lebron hit a buzzer beating layup or not not buzzer beating,
but last second layup to win. And this game, we
they will not sneak up on us. We are not
taking them lightly. It counts as not an exhibition game.
If it's a struggle, then you know, don't don't don't
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clear the space on your mantle for the gold medal
just yet, but I think we'll handle them pretty easily.
But anyway, said all that to say, Coach K was talking,
I think it was to day, and he said this
rob about Kevin Durant.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
Well, I think he is because of longevity and accomplishment.
It's unique. But the amount of points he scored, he's
he scored a lot more than anyone else, and Jim
and when he did them, and when he scored in
Istanbul in twenty twenty averaged thirty three points a game
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in the Metal round. Obviously in London he was part
of the huge team that we have with le Bron
and Kobe, and in twenty sixteen in Rio he was
by far our best scorer and really what our team
to the gold medal?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
All right?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
So he was asked, is Kevin Durant the greatest men's
basketball player in Olympic history? And so he said, yes,
because of his longevity. What are your thoughts on that round?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Coach K? Quickly, let me tell you, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Quickly, Kevin Durant's career average in the Olympics dropped nineteen
point seven. I guess we could say twenty points now.
He dropped the twenty three. Michael Jordan's second at sixteen,
Charles Barcley third at fifteen point four.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Coach, can't hate to rain on your parade, but that
plus two dollars in ninety Centi'll get you on the
subway in New York. I'm sorry, really, coach, k Oh,
my god, Kevin Durant is the greatest USA basketball player ever.
(06:06):
He WHI twenty points against nobody against mostly nobody's has been,
never was is. It doesn't rait Chris the Olympics basketball.
They've be just saying they had been going for their
fifth gold medal in the bar or whatever it is.
It doesn't raid. Nobody cares about it. From the standpoint.
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It doesn't make you better in the eyes of the
basketball world. It's still about the NBA. Carmelo Anthony had
four medals, right.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
Three goals, the leading scorer, and Chris three goals in
a bronze and that that didn't help him get a
job in the NBA for two seasons or a year.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And a half.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
It didn't move the needle. Nobody was like, oh my god,
he's like unbelievable. On international play. How in the world
don't we have a Carmelo Anthony on the roster.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
No, And that's fine.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You go there, you do your thing, Chris, but it
doesn't give you any juice. I'm sorry. The international play,
the team that they've beaten. That's why nobody makes a
big deal about Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley, the beating
teams by forty five points.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
With that dream team, Chris, that's not competition.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
If you told me and you painted a scenario that
Canada was our equal, I'm just giving you a team, Chris,
Canada was our equal. And Kevin Durant showed up and
busted the chops of Canada and you could name some
of the great Canadian players and was like, my god,
did you see what KD did against A B and
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C and how they won the gold medal? That was incredible.
It's just doesn't rate. People don't have that kind of
memories about it. And I'm not taking anything away from
he's out there to play. He's doing what he does.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
He's one of the best scorers we've ever seen, hands down.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
All I'm saying is it just doesn't It doesn't move
the needle to make people think any more of Kevin
Durant other than what he's done in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's my biggest point. I agree, I agree.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Rob G and I were talking earlier and the question
was does Kevin Durant being I'm fine with if you
want to, I mean, the way coach k said it,
Rob was very innocuous because of his longevity.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Right, that's what he So you played the long against
of course you're gonna have that.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
He ain't better than Michael Jordan. I'm sorry. In the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Jordan led in college. So now, Rob, if.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
You want to say, if people want to compare now
and say, well, hey, the international game, the players are
way better, you can't compare it to ninety two and
ninety six when we were destroying teams.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
That's fair.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
But Michael Jordan played in college. He was a college
kid or right out of college, but still college age
after his junior year playing against grown men, so it
was equivalent. I mean, I'm not here to argue. I
don't care to your point where I don't care that
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Michael George's the greatest, you know, Olympic basketball player ever,
or Charles Barkley or Lebron or Durant, whoever, who cares.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You know, when we care rab when we lose. That's
j only time that you that's when we care. That's
when there's a story. Chris, I always say, wake me
up when they lose, and then we got a story
and a conversation to have, right.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
But we expect them to win.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
We expect Kevin Durant to score points against these other players.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Of course, I think I could go out there and
get four points. I mean really, I mean seriously though
with that squad.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Hey, you know I scored against Nancy Lieberman, So I'm
just saying, no, I'm joking about me.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
But Rob and here's what my point.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
We only care if they lose because in two thousand
and eight people might object and say, well, hold on,
we care about the redeem team with Lebron and Kobe
and Chris, Paul and d Wade. And you know why
we care because we had lost four years earlier. We
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had to redeem ourselves, so we care about them. But
the reason we care about them is because they lost
four years before. We care about ninety two because we
had lost in eighty eight with the college kids and
it was time to send the big boys over and
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so Rob, come on, I mean, and again, this is
taking nothing from KD because he is a phenomenal player
and has been phenomenal in the Olympics. But Rob, when
you've got a team full of absolute superstars and they
don't know who to put, they can't put the defensive
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attention on anybody because Kobe's out there or Lebron's out.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Who do you not calling it right?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I'm sorry, but it ain't that for these guys at
their level, this rock.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
This, I bet you.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
The Olympic Games for Kevin Durant are the easiest adult
basketball he's ever played, the easiest adult basketball he's ever played.
And that's not to belittle the competition. It's just to say,
look at his teammates, Look at his teammates, and this
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is a great catch and shoot guy. This is a
great jump shooter. I mean, my goodness, all they gotta
do is it is jumpers against one man or wide open.
So I'm with you. This does nothing to move him up.
I don't know right where he is exactly. I got
Kevin Durant in the twentieth range. I don't know, somewhere
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between eighteen seventeen, sixteen, and twenty two. Maybe I don't
know exactly, but I don't think.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
If he averages twenty three in these Olympics and we
win goal, it's not gonna move him up one spot
in my rankings.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I'm with you. It just doesn't. It doesn't rate. It
just doesn't.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
The only time this is the story, Chris, is when
it goes sideways.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
If they do what we expect them to do in
these it just doesn't move anybody. Yeah, okay, you're supposed
to win Kevin Durant against those against who you can't
even name who he went against. Most of the time,
you don't know who these guys are. They don't play
at a level. It's a step down. He's playing Cyo
And the only difference is, Chris, that they speak another language.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
All right?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Eight seven, seven, ninety nine or five? You disagree with
robbing me? I mean, are we tripping? Should we bow
down and blow the powers and kiss the ring of KD?
Because he's the all time leading scorer and the living
I'm glad for KD. Do your thang, brother, but it
just doesn't move the needle in terms of where he
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ranks all time. Does it mean anything that Kevin Durant
is the best Men's Olympic.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Basketball player of all time. If you want to say.
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Eight seven seven ninety nine.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
On Fox, Coach k says Kevin Durant is the greatest
men's basketball olympian.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
We say, ho home your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
No doubt. Sean in Sacramento. You're in the odd couple
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 10 (15:10):
What's up, Sean, Yeah, my uncle from another mother. My
brother's behind the board. Real quick, man, I hear the kids.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Who's that? Who's that in the background?
Speaker 10 (15:20):
Oh that's my youngest of the thirteen kids? Man, that's
my daughter.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I know. You know, how many kids do you have.
Speaker 10 (15:28):
In real life?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Chris?
Speaker 10 (15:30):
Four kids?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Three kids?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yes, big fan, but it is and nowadays that's that's
pretty impressive, it really is.
Speaker 9 (15:37):
Sean.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Hey, Sean man trying to you know, they have movies, right,
you can go to the movies.
Speaker 10 (15:42):
Right, I'm just saying, Hey, the movies, but the movies
don't end as well as making these.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Robbert, Okay, that's true about that, right?
Speaker 10 (15:55):
I think coach of Sesskey might have heard that Kevin
Durant was NBA Dad because he's trying to reserve this
whole life from the Olympic stage. Man, Look all you
gotta know is Carmelo Anthony's number two on the all
time scoring list, and nobody knows who number three is.
It's no indicator of how great somebody is as far
as the Olympic Games. Look at what Michael Jordan did
to revolutionize the game. Look at what everybody on the
(16:16):
Dream Team did to make international basketball more relevant. And
above all that, man, I know it's not trash Talking
Tuesday yet, but just because you are okay on a
great all Star team doesn't make you great. Look at
Doug Gottlieb on the Fox Sports Radio show. Anyway, y'all
take care, happy trash talking Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
There we go, very nice, fired, very nice, Sean, thank you,
good job. Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox, we
got Rob g wants to jump in. Oh he's gonna say,
old head. Of course he disagrees with us. He says
we're old and we don't know what we're talking about.
And that's what's wrong with crotch. The old man in
their fifties.
Speaker 9 (16:54):
I didn't say that.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
You said, wow, Rob in their fifties.
Speaker 9 (17:00):
Rob hasn't been in his fifties month.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Right, you ain't in the fifties. I hate the breaking
to you. I still feel like I'm in my fifties.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You gotta change that little joke. Yeah, I know, right,
all right, rob Gie, what you go?
Speaker 9 (17:12):
Okay? So as far as it's Kevin Durant situation, I
disagree with you guys when you say that it's it's
like a meaningless title because guys like Steph Curry get
a boost for being viewed as the greatest shooter of
all time. Right, Kyrie Irving gets a boost because he's
you just having the best handle of all Isaiah Thomas
(17:33):
whore a bick your guy. Guys who are on the
Dream Team get boost for being on the Dream Team.
Like when you talk about Charles Barkler having a ring. Yeah,
but he's also part of the greatest team of all time.
So that's why he's, you know, nineteen instead of twenty five.
Whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
No, I don't think anybody moves him up for what
you did with your dream No.
Speaker 9 (17:52):
Zero, Then why is it brought up as part of
their accolades.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
But it doesn't move though those things.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And what you said about Steph and Kyrie, where let's
see Steph's the greatest shooter because he's done it against
what competition, Rob Parker, the NBA, NBA, not on uh
not nobody, Olympics, nobody, nobody knows. Can you give me Olympics.
(18:21):
But he's still the greatest. If this really mattered, you
couldn't be the greatest.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Shooters because you didn't excel in the Olympics. Right, Kyrie's handled.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Don't nobody care that he was shaking somebody from Lithuania.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
He does it against NBA and.
Speaker 9 (18:34):
Kenvin Durant doesn't do it against NBA competition.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
No, but he does. But he's not doing to level, right,
it's that reason.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And then even there, it's not like he's averaging forty points, right,
twenty points. He could do that in his sleep, Rob
g is that specially if he get I'm twenty point?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Is that nineteen points? Chris? Whatever?
Speaker 5 (18:53):
It is?
Speaker 9 (18:53):
That not four more points than Michael Jordan. Yeah, but
I thought Michael Jordan with the greatest thing is to
slice bread. You know, if he and he could do it,
they played against Angola. There's three guys under five ft
nine on that So.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
It's Carmelo Anthony the second best scorer ever because he's
the second leads that were in the Olympics come.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
But that's definitely a booshlet wherever you put him.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
So why why was Carmelo Anthony I work for two
years your competition.
Speaker 9 (19:15):
How's it a boost because on a team that's loaded
with star players, he was the best scorer.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Mellow averages like ten or eleven points for his Olympic
career this minute. You know why Durant averages so much
because the teams this is the first team he's been
on that's been super stacked. Twenty took my record election.
Twenty twelve had wholeron.
Speaker 9 (19:42):
I mean that team was still really good.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
It wasn't on the level of the I think the
three this team, the redeem team O eight and ninety
two were the in ninety six was a great team.
But those are the most stacked teams. But ROGI, it.
Speaker 9 (20:00):
Can't be nothing either.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
No. I mean, it's it's a line in your bio
and it's a oh wow, leaning score. That's that's nice,
But it doesn't move him ahead of you know, doctor
J or whoever.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You know what I mean, it doesn't matter ahead of
somebody else just because of that you played in it.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
They respect what you've done, but it's not a game change.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
Close it's something that would move him ahead of someone else.
I I there is no way that you can say that.
If you're let me say, doctor J. I'm debating doctor
J and Kevin Durant. You're listing all their accolades that
if you don't mention, Oh, by the way, Kevin Durant
is also a four time goal medalist, all time leading scorer,
and Olympic history kind of stuff is gonna put it
(20:42):
be the difference.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
It's not debating, so it's going to be a lot
lower the MVP awards, sure, but it close meaning it doesnaistics.
Speaker 9 (20:52):
It's not mean.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
It's low. It's to me, it's so low that it's
virtually meaningless because of who you're playing raw.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
You know why.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
It will be such a travesty if we lose these Olympics.
We don't win the goal we got how many everybody
except Derek White is a future Hall of Famer on
this squad, On this team, everybody except maybe Bam out
of Bayo and Derek White and maybe Tyre's Halliburn.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Who knows. We'll see what he's doing.
Speaker 9 (21:21):
He's so young, he's still one to three guys real quick.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
There no, but but even even's three, that's nine future
Hall of Famers. How many do the other teams have?
Serbia's got one, Canada's got.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
One, and basically, Rob g if they don't win, it
would be a disgrace, it would be outrageous.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So, I mean, they would have been like the.
Speaker 9 (21:44):
It's just you guys can't say and both of you
have said this very publicly, that the Dream Team is
the greatest team ever assembled.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You can't say that if we even talked about the
same I've heard you ever thought about that, Rob Parker
hasn't been recent, but I've heard you both say that
it's been a while. I don't remember that. Yeah, because
the thing about that team, and we gotta admit it,
I mean, Bird was old and had a bad back
and barely played, Magic was a year removed from competitive
basketball because of the HIV retirement. I mean that team
(22:15):
had like you could make an argument, if this team
wins gold and it's better, okay than.
Speaker 9 (22:21):
Have you never said it?
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Lightner does it boost Christian Layton? He was on the
Dream Team right relative to others because everybody knows he
shouldn't have been on it. Everybody knows it should.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Have been shot.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
So how about Isaiah Thomas. I I hate the fact
that Isaiah Thomas was not on that team. There was
a flight to him. But it doesn't drop Isaiah one
iota in my eyes as far as ranking him because
he wasn't on the Dream Team.
Speaker 9 (22:51):
It depends.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
It depends on anymore near who you're so stocked it.
I'm saying I think nerds put stocked in ahead of Isaiah,
but they're crazy.
Speaker 9 (23:02):
Sure, I don't, but if there's somebody why not Stockton
was on the Dream Team? No, because Isaiah was a
better player. Really, I don't. I don't think it was
that close where it's worth debating those two.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
You made our point that was weak. You feel miserably
stay in the production office. Wow, you just poured.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
I will give you Rob g I will give you this,
but I think it's misguided. There are a lot of
people now watching these Olympics and saying, hold up, I
think Lebron is still the best player in the league.
So right, people, you have said that. No, I've seen
people say, oh, right, right, So those people are putting
a lot of emphasis on these Olympics. What I would
(23:48):
say is six games, right, Well, it's six games. It's
not enough of a sample. And you got, it's not
like he's playing with chump change in the NBA. He's
got freaking Anthony Davis. I mean, so if Lebron was
still at his Lebron and his peak with Anthony Davis
and the crew he has, they bet right there winning championships.
(24:10):
So he's not the best player in the world even
though he's playing great in these Olympics. All Right, we've
got some NFL you know, they're doing their top one
hundred players and we're gonna get into that next.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
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Speaker 4 (24:37):
Be equivalent Rob in terms of of importance to your legacy,
maybe to kind of like the All Star Game, And
maybe maybe it's before you know, the past decade where
it just became a joke. But you know, MVP at
an All Star Game leading scoring an All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
It's it's a mention.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
But because you know, somebody he won four All Star
Game MVPs, is that gonna move them ahead of somebody
had only won one or two.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
You know, it's kind of that type of it's nice.
It's a you know, we'll recognize it.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
But but but I mean, I mean, people can make
the case if you really want to nitpick about where
it fits in Chris, if you were trying to make
some case, it would be way down the list, That's
all I'm saying. Virtually all the NBA. Yes, it would be,
it would be all the way down there. It just
it just wouldn't be like, oh, he won one NBA.
(25:34):
Don't look, Chris, he won four gold medals, one NBA championship.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
It would not be like on that list, right exactly.
It's kind of like the n Season Tournament, right Yeah,
you got okay, good, good for you, really nice.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Ask Darvin Ham about the nd season Tournament and the
Olympics and exactly, thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
All right, rob g you got something for us on
this The NFL is doing top one hundred and I look,
I have to be honest.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
This year's list is bizarre.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
It is bizarre at not every single point, but it's
kind of strange.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I mean, Joe Burrow was thirty ninth, the thirty ninth.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Best player in the league, and I think Rob, that
would make him the tenth best quarterback. Two a tongue
of Looa was thirty sixth I believe so that he's
better than Joe Burrow, really, and then Jordan.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Love, I think was thirty four.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Brock Party came in today at twenty eight, and I
like Brock Purty, but I'm not coming He's not better
than Joe Burrow. Matthew Stafford was in the forties, and
so is Jared Goff. Like it's a bizarre, bizarre list,
and they say the players did it, voted on it,
and Rob you maybe you can help us with this,
because I think the criteria used to be, or the
(26:58):
voting patterns used to be, that they would have these
players vote on their best twenty players and then from
that they would, you know, flesh it out to one hundred.
But my thing with that is I doubt that one
hundred guys would be named enough, you know, on the
top twenty list for them to flesh it out, stretch
(27:20):
it out to one hundred, So I don't even and
I also doubt Rob g and I bet you guys
are with me.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Players aren't sitting down ranking one hundred players.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Do you believe that?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Route, Like, there's no way I believe players are ranking
one hundred players.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
This is where we talk about it all the time.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
They're just not going to do the due diligence that
other people would do. Reporters, Chris, people who do this
for a living. It's just that's not what they do.
What they do is whatever they remember last is the
thing that they put out there, Chris.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
So they remember Jordan.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Love of.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Win, win a postseason game and blow out the Cowboys,
so he's better than anybody.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
And Brock Barty got to the Super Bowl, and Brock
Party got to the Super super Bowl. All right, they
didn't see Joe Joe Burrow, so they don't think about him, right, Like,
none of it makes any sense, Chris, Seriously, Now, Aaron
Rodgers was ninety second. Now I don't expect him to
be the MVP. Come but come on second, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
It's and what that is it is he didn't play
at four steps Okay, right, So so.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Out of sight, out of mind. It doesn't even make
none of it makes sense, rob Ge, how is it?
What I mean?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I don't know if you even know, but I know
they say the players are the ones they vote, but.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
How do we know how they do it?
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Again, I can't believe players are exactly how you describe it,
Chris the twenty twenty and then from there it's assembled
like a scoring system and then that's how they determine
who the best players are.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
But don't you would you agree with me that?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I mean, what do you how many players you think
are named seventy?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
That's a lot twenty if you know what I mean.
I mean, they don't do that much.
Speaker 9 (29:19):
The only way you can actually get to one hundred
plus players, in my opinion, is if you have, like
offensive linemen have a you know, a preference to picking
defensive lineman because that's what they go against and vice versa.
So maybe they're not saying, oh, I recognize, like those
guys don't even exist, right, but they're like, I recognize
how good you know? Fred Warner is a middle linebacker,
(29:42):
but the nose tackle for the Detroit Lions, that's the
guy go against and he's awesome.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Well, I guess you could tell the players vote on
your position, like if you're a lineman, vote on offensive
or defensive and defensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
If you're a running back, vote on the skill positions.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
If you're you know, maybe they're that and then they
wait the positions.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Or you just Chris, you have a scoring system and.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Center rates in the top you know what I mean,
like percentile, then he's pushed into that higher the list
because he got ninety eight percent of the votes as
the center.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (30:23):
So all those players who are in that ninety eight percent,
they would be listed in that order so that they
could be in the top twenty or to be in
the top fifty, do you you know what I mean.
That's the only way you could do it. But the
way that they've done it here is it's just there's
no science to it. There's no rhyme or reason. It's
it's useless. It really is, well to your.
Speaker 9 (30:45):
Point because you said it's just the most recency bias.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
Right.
Speaker 9 (30:48):
So Jordan Love, despite him getting the records, any contract
was only good for the last you know, nine games season,
right right, So that's him. The inverse of that is
Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cristins right play well, but till he
got hurt in week eight, was leading the NFL and
touchdown passes, and was second in yards and was lighting
(31:09):
it up before he tore's achilles in that exact game
in week eight. So if you were compared the first
seven weeks of Kirk Cousins in the last nine weeks
of Jordan Love, they're basically the same guy. And yet
Kirk Cousins is somewhere in the eighties and Jordan Love
is number thirty four.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah, it it And what happens is, unfortunately, when it's
this haphazard and all over the place, it kind of
devalues the list, you know, because I mean, I look,
I would imagine that their top twenty and top ten
especially are I.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Mean, we've seen it before.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
What Mahoons was right eighth one year right, right, I
would guess that they're a little bit better, hopefully, But
I guess that that kind of goes against.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
My argument when you have my whole eighth one year so.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
Well, Jalen Hurts went from unranked to number three overall
in one season.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah. See, it's total recency.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
It's just Sobut right, what you've seen and he play
had a great season, so now he's the best thing.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Last year the season wasn't so great, So now he's not.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
I would think he might be a he might go
against that this year in that I'm assuming he because
they got twenty guys left. There are six good quarterbacks left, Mahomes, Stroud, Lamar,
Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, and Dak So my assumption is
(32:38):
those six will be within the top twenty players.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
But maybe Hurts isn't. If he isn't, that totally.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Bolsters your point, Rob, because all of a sudden he
went from third best to now he's not in the
top one hundred.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Right, But if he is, I mean, I guess that
would go against it. We'll see.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Maybe he won't be, I mean, because he obviously didn't
have a great year, So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
All right, Check is.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Next and the Dodgers, they haven't quite been the super
team that we were thinking.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
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Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah, But did you have that experience? It was not
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Speaker 4 (34:13):
And the same thing with the train trains I used
to or the race cars or the trains. I never
had a train set, but I would get the race
car you know, I think maybe two Christmases I got
the race car track with the cars. But man, those
things you could never keep them on the track. Yeah,
every turn they were flying into the wall.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Or which one did you like? The smaller train or
the big the big trains. Remember there was the ty
like tychover the big I've never had the big ones,
you know what. I'm talking the smaller one.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
And they have them. I mean, honestly, whichever one would work.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
I don't ever recall many of them working well, do you.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
No, I agree that they didn't work well. But I
did have some of them that would go around the
track for a little bit. But you're right, yeah, a
couple of times and then boom, you know, like you
go off track, off kilter.
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Speaker 5 (35:20):
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day Dicks against.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
The All right, here we go with a little Shekel
City on this Wednesday night, got three nighttime games starting.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Is it Tuesday? It's today Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I just realized we're gonna announce trash talk on Tuesday
at the top of.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
The one hours.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
It is a Tuesday. Thank you so much. It doesn't
change my games, but the day I gotta get it right.
All right, here we go. I got the Pittsburgh Pirates
plus one and a half. That's my best bet. They're
in Houston taking on the Astros. Let's go with the
Colorado Rockies plus one and a half. They're in Anaheim
taking on the Angels tonight. And I'm gonna take the
(36:08):
Padres in San Diego hosting the Dodgers. Chris Padres plus
one and a half hosting the Dodgers in San Diego,
Colorado plus one and a half in Anaheim taking on
the Angels, and the Pirates plus one and a half
taking on the Astros in Houston. And remember, I'm not
(36:29):
telling you who to bet on. I'm telling you who
I bet on.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
All right, Rob, Well, a lot of people bet on
the Dodgers to be the best team in baseball this.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Year, and.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
You're down on them, and we'll get into that quickly.
But Rob, they've got the second best record in the
National League and tied for the third best record in
all of baseball, and yet you still think they're really underachievement.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, it doesn't feel like that at Like from where
they started, Chris, there was a long stretch during this
season where they were like five hundred and they got
they got a roster. And I know that's injuries, but
other teams have the injuries as well, right, So I'm
just saying I look at the record, but I have,
like you know what we talk about. You look at
(37:18):
the game or you look at them, and what do
they look like to you? They don't look like the
team I thought was going to run away and go
to the World Series.
Speaker 9 (37:27):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
The Phillies are better than them. Yeah, yeah, no, And
Phillies got the best record in base right, Phillies are
better than them.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
And I thought the Dodgers would be the best team
in the National League regardless.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
But they've made six trades Chris this week. Yeah, they're
trying to get it done, and a total of seven
in this month.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
So it tells you that they're not happy with their
roster either, that they're making all of these deals.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
So that's all. I don't think that they feel as
good as all do you are you giving it much
of a chance. Obviously, anything can happen.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I'm not off of them, but it doesn't feel good.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I guess not
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Betrayal: Weekly
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