August 6, 2025 • 39 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend hosts Martin Weiss and Bucky Brooks are in for Rob and Kelvin, and the guys tell us why it's crazy to suggest that Shedeur Sanders is being sabotaged by the Cleveland Browns and explain why they still aren't worried about Matthew Stafford's lingering back issues. Plus, former Pro Bowl wide receiver and 'Up on Game' co-host TJ Houshmandzadeh swings by to discuss the Sanders saga, which training camp battles he's keeping an eye on right now, and much more!
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
That's right, Martin.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Weis back again on The Odd Couple, filling in for
Rob Parker and Calvin Washington. But today I'm joined here
with Bucky Books, so we're gonna be able to get
down to some real football today.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Bucky, thanks for coming on. How you doing, Oh guy,
I am so good.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
What's going on, Martin? What's having? It's doing well?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Like I said, everybody else has said it, so I'll
say it to been a while where you been, buddy.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
I mean, I've been at the crib.
Speaker 6 (00:49):
It's been a little atc situation at the crib, doing
a lot of radio from the house, from the home office.
First time I've been to the studio in a minutes.
How are your battle barrel beets doing? I mean that's
that's that's funny. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's funny.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Let's get it too.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
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I will ever experience in my entire life.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Maybe maybe maybe maybe not. It's not always guarantee you.
Pinky toe is small, and you know what, I'm thirty five.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Maybe I got a future ahead of it. You never know.
The Saints draft of the twenty five year old cores
you never know.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
There's always a chan fully guaranteed contract, all right, But
from what as far as I can tell, in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
There's a few different ways that you can get a job, right.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
You can either win that job out, like through just
being better than the other person who's ahead of you
in that position. That person who's ahead of you in
that position can get hurt or do something disciplinary to
where they're no longer they're suspended for that game. Then
all of a sudden, you step in, you have three interceptions,
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and all of a sudden, that person is now demoted.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Right, Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Mo Lewis Hits, Drew Bloodsholl, Tom Brady late round pick
walks into you know, Foxborough and history after that.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Right, you see this all the time. Kirk Cousins was
a fourth.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Round draft pick in Washington who, in the same draft
where a guy was drafted with the in the first
round three three right, ended up Kirk Cousins is the
guy that ended up getting the multiple and obviously to
get a long term but the multiple franchise tags he
got paid in Washington and then went on to have
the long career.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
The last one I can think of.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Dak Prescott was not a starter in the NFL until
Tony Romo's back hurt ah and then once Tony Romo's
back stopped hurting.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Tony Romo was then a backup. So when I perused.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
The Internet and Elon Musk's Twitter and the various sports
television shows, and I see people of repute saying that
Dion Sander, I mean Shador Sanders, he's being sabotaged because
he is getting the opportunity to start Friday. It doesn't
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necessarily square with what I believe to be true. But again,
I don't have a lot of NFL experience, and my
NFL experience r NFL experience pales the comparison to mine.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
Is this a possibility sabotized? That sabotized is an interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Word, like break that down for me.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
So the way that I see it, the way the
reports have come out, can he Piickett is dealing with
the hamstring injury. Dylan Gabriel is also dealing with the
hamstring injury. Joe Flacco is the presumptive.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So he's got an injury when he gets out of
the bed.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
But they want him to be the starting quarterbacks, so
they want to keep him available. Well, if the other
two guys are down, that moves Shador Sanders up. So
it's not a To me, it's not a sabotage situation.
It's a tremendous opportunity national TV. Everyone's been clamoring to
see him. Whether you love him or hate him, everyone
wants to see him. He has an opportunity to kind
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of change some of the narrative around him and his
game if he shows up and shows out, because now
he creates a conversation that they have to deal with
in the building, because if he plays well, that conversation
now comes inside the building because everything at the pressor
is going to be always he compete for the job,
right is he that? So to me, this is a
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great opportunity to me, is actually a no lose situation
for Shudr Sanders.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Okay, break down.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Why do you say it's a no lose situation because
I definitely see a way that there could be losses here.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
Now there's no lose. So he comes in. He was
fourth on the depth chart already, right, he was a
fifth round pick, so he's the last one to the table.
So if he falters, then everyone is like, well, this
is why we took him in the fifth round, because
he wasn't better than Dylan Gable in the third can
he pick up was a free agent and Joe Flacco
is to whatever? So that that's worst case, that's where
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he started.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
He wasn't getting rest with the ones anyway. Okay, can
I see what he's saying? Why what if he plays
right and plays well?
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Now it changes the pecking quorder a little bit and
it puts more pressure on the other guys to play well.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Because that's the thing that I find too. There's two
things here that I've find that I think that people
missing this conversation. The first one is Joe Flacco is
the starter. He has been named the starter, if not
already officially named the starter. You could write it in pen.
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They just haven't turned the card in yet. You know
what it's like, seriously, And the only reason why is
because the deadline hasn't come. He's the starter, you know,
Hawaii know he's the starter because he doesn't have to
compete like everybody else does. That's how you know he's
the starter. When the starter can go, he's gonna be
our guy. Now they've decided that that guy is Joe
Flacco for what Hey whatever, I just I'm reporting the facts,
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all right, for the facts. Now, if it's and I'll say,
if it's true, I'm not debating the reporters.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I'm just saying, like this, in this scenario, right, if.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
It's true, he's not getting any reps with the ones
at practice. It seems to me that the best opportunity
and honestly maybe.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
The only opportunity.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
That shit Door Sanders would have to make this roster
as a backup quarterback as the two is in preseason
games on TV, because if it's happening, it apparently is
not getting the opportunity in practice earned sabotaged whatever right
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for whatever reason, when they got how many guys they
got out there, not like seventy five now or so
like out of those ninety guys, they've decided that if
three people they'd rather be playing quarterback before him, now
they're not available. This is the But the conversation if
he comes out and just does I say, just does,
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like I could go out there and do it. But
he goes out there and plays like Trey Lanceton in
the first half, that conversation is going to Monday morning
is going to be the front page of the Cleveland
Playing Dealer is going to be Send Joe Flack on
to carpool lane. I want this guy to be my
starting quarterback, right, and that puts the pressure on now.
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I really only think he really has to play better
in this competition than Dylan Gabriel, right, Like. I think
like cause they're kind of fighting again for that third spot.
And I get where you're saying it's a no lose
situation because going to play four, Lea's in the same
spot he's in. That's the spot I feel like he's in.
They're fighting for that third spot in Cleveland. It's kind of,
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in my opinion, keeping their fingers crossed that somebody would
call them and be like, I will offer you a
sixth round pick for Kenny Pickett. You know, I'll offer
you a seventh thrown pick for Kenny Pickett. Yeah, So,
I mean the there definitely is that ten the Macks.
Prior to Kenny Pickett's injury, I felt like there were
two quarterback competitions going on, not one. It was between
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Kenny Pickett and Joe Fla go to be the starter,
and then who's going to be a QB two between
Dylan Gable and Shooter or sin Right. My expectation is
both the rookies are gonna make the team, Dylan Gabriel,
you draft them in the third round, you're paying them
too much to cut them right out the gate.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Sudrea Sanders.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
If you were going to cut him, you're not gonna
be able to entertain the possibility of bringing them back
to the practice well, because somebody else will snatch them up. Sure,
because now all these stuff, the draft stuff is done,
like now you can take him and just like he's
a bargain basement deal.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
He's in the system now.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
So also to that point real quick, the salary cap
number and not the nerd out at quarterback is so
great for the Browns with the Sean watching that that
also is just heavily as son of my reason to
keep two rookie contracts.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Two small ones.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Joe Flacco is on a one year Like I mean,
it's it makes sense for them to be like we're
gonna go with an older guy and then two younger guys, right,
and for Kenny Pickett or whoever loses between those guys,
somebody hopefully will call because inefinitely there's going to be
an injury in the preseason, somebody's gonna need some depth,
or someone underperforms or whatever, and so that'll create an
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opportunity for them someone to trade Cleveland for one of
the older arterbacks, which is what they were likely hoping
for when they got through the draft.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Right and so and but the thing here what I
find now, tell me if this is off base, because
I don't think it is. But one of the things
they talk about, like an NBA summer league, it's like, oh,
you're really auditioning for all the teams, like you might
play for the Magic on Thursday and then you waved
and then by Friday, you're now suiting up for the
Heat like type of deal in the summer league, and
(10:26):
it was because you're trying to get a spot into
the league.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Shit door. Sanders obstensibly is trying.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Out for everybody on Friday, and it's gonna be like
it'll be the highest out, go out and the lim
it'll be the highest rated preseason at least first half
and ten years, right like, like without a doubt, Like
people are going to be locked into this, yes, and
so every like not just us, but fans, haters, media
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and everybody like y'all scouts looking for another arm And
when I see him, like when I saw him in college,
I did not see a fifth round pick. Now, I
also get paid to evaluate talent, but I didn't see
a fifth round pick.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I thought it was a stretch at first, but like
third round felt.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Right, So it's worst.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Yeah, So to me, I saw him as a bottom
of the first round talent. I thought, look, I assume
and still believe that he's gonna be the best of
all the ones in the class. That's what I felt
like when I watched him in Colorado. I continue to
feel that way. I won't I won't get off of that.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Well, that's not that's not a hot like it may
sound hot, but it's really not.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
I'm just saying, like, based on what every coach and
everyone has always talked about. They talked about two things
that are really important at quarterback, accuracy and decision making,
And to me, he was best in show in acrecy
and decision making. Arm Talent is not what caam Ward's
was or some of the other guys. Athleticism isn't what
some of the other guys. But in terms of doing
the things that everyone has told us our most important
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to the success at quarterback, he does those things really
well and not that we're counting stats in training camp
or whatever. But people have said he's been on the
mark in training camp. So my expectation is if he's
been on the mark playing with threes and fours against
the two defense or whatever, he's gonna play against the
twos and threes in the preseason game, he should look
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won't say great, but he should be looking really really
good based on how he's performed. He's playing against backups,
vanilla coverages, he should be My expectation is he's gonna
play really really well against that because it's gonna be
very vanilla static.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Looks nothing crazy.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Okay, So take me inside the mind of the coaches
front office as they're watching him Friday night. What are
they looking for to see? Okay, this is an improvement?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Oh what? Oh?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
He missed this, So that's why we're knocking him down
a peg, Like, how can he have raise his status
on the death chart Friday night even though those guys
are hurt.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Well, here's what I say.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
The most movement that you're on the depth chart is
after this game, and it's because everything that we've done
prior to this in the offseason. OTA's MENI camp workouts
that's all great in shorts, but now we're playing real ball,
and in real ball, people change, some people show up,
some people fall back, and so this is a chance
for him if he shows up for people.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
To be like, oh, he is a legit baller, like
he literally.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
Can play, and that will change the natter and that
will start the reconfiguring in the tweaking of the depth chart.
Because remember there are only three preseason games, so this
is a big one. The last one is not even
really ad dress rehearsal. The second one is the dress rehearsal.
So he has an opportunity to head a stage to him, say,
he may play the whole game, right, he might play
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the entire game, and so he has the entire stage
to himself.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
That is significant for him if he's able to show and.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Prove that's what That's the way I take it, and
it I thought it was that I saw people saying
that this was sabotaged because he had in practice with
those guys, and I'm gonna.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Figure you gotta figure out now that some of this
is you gotta figure out because guess what if you're
a backup quarterback in the National Football League, exactly you
don't get many reps in practice.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Exactly, make it four or five.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Starter goes down, Hey, get up, you ready, and you
have to figure out how to operate, how to go,
how to make this work. And this will be I mean,
he's lucky that he has a few days to prepare
his mind for being the starting quarterback. Most guys don't
get that when you're the backup. So this is we'll
get a chance.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
To see how he handleson I mean, you know, I
watched Baker Mayfield be a Carolina Panther on Monday and
win a game and lose me a bet for the
veager of the Rams.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Because you went to the Rams and you didn't bet
on them. You didn't think, no way Baker Mayfield is
gonna come off the streets.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
You know what, Bucky, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I don't consider myself a great handicapper, but I am
pretty good.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
You know what. But I silly me.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
I thought that, well, the other team's quarterbacks only been
on the team for two days. The team that had
the quarterbacks this training camp should probably win mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
But then I forgot they were coached by Josh McDaniel.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Here's a lot of super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Understand, Yeah, how many was he the head coach for?
Speaker 5 (15:14):
I mean yeah, whoops?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
All right?
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Coming up, XT dive into some more of these training
camp battles, because there's like there's sometimes there's battles.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
This is like more of a training camp argument.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
And I want to get Bucky's take on this as
a guy who would have some knowledge on it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
We'll get to that in just a minute.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Martin Weiss Bucky Brooks in for Rob Parker and Calvin
Washington on the couple.
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Speaker 4 (15:50):
Here on the Odd Couple, Martin Weis and Bucky Brooks
in for Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington. You know, training
camp battles going everywhere all across NFL America right now.
You know what those guys are doing after practice, are
probably popping them to leave aky, nigue, stiff back. Joy's
not cooperating. Some days, everybody's just like nope. And on
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those days, luckily there's a leave. Just one pill. A
lead provides up to twelve hours of paying relief so
you can keep on moving use as directed and so Bucky,
I always find you fascinating. I hope the audience does
as well when you actually have somebody who is like
in the business of the NFL, especially in the like
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the front office, scouting and working around in that business
and guys who are doing the evaluations all the time,
because that's what I find to be one of the
more fascinating ways of just team building and how you.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Decide where to go here, where to go there.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Like just in the last segment, we're talking about how
just financially, whether it was Joe Smith and you know
John Smith, it makes more sense for the Cleveland Browns
to take two rookies at quarterback because the Deshaun Watson's cabinet,
right you know what I'm saying is just just and
the way the Sheba and all these things work is
essentially the rules for teams, right like like obviously each
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team when they're playing a game has rules. And remember
Bill Belichick used to manipulate the rules in a way
or find loophole famously and be able to do like okay,
and don't even I'm not talking about the videotaping. I'm
talking about legitimately special team things are like, oh, if
you if you get two delay of games that actually
reverts back to this or that, and you know, things
that the NFL may not have checked on or hell,
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the tush push, for example, kind of against the rules
sort of but maybe not right. And until then, we're
gonna keep doing it until somebody tells me. And so
when I'm looking at the way that these camp battles
are evaluated, had hard knocks launched yesterday, the Buffalo Bills
obviously no competition at their quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
They'd like it to be less.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
No competition that running back, but you go, he's holding out,
and then you have all these other competitions along the board.
I'm wondering, like, how realistic, generally is it that you
could see a seventh round undrafted guy beating out or
getting the opportunities getting the reps to beat out a
second round or first round guy.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
It has to be a legitimate.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Conversation and situation between the front office and the coaching
staff where part of your philosophy, your mission statement is
we provide opportunities to everyone who walks in the door.
We don't have a roster that's already set when we
head to training camp. We are legitimately giving guys chances
to make the roster. Years ago to Seattle, Seahawks operated
off of that, Pete Carroll will say, hey man, we'll
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give anybody an opportunity to play. Don't worry about those things.
Whatever you come in as, it doesn't matter. Once you
get here, we're gonna judge you based on the merit
of what you've done here. Baltimore Ravens used to operate
like that. Most teams don't operate under that premise, though
a lot of teams are guarding their desks. If you
could use that term, if I draft you, you're gonna
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make the team, because if I drafted and I cut you,
then it looks like we didn't do a good job
of drafting. So everyone who's drafted has to make the team,
or I'm a practice squad or whatever. So it is
really dependent upon if the coaching staff in the front
offs really believe in an open competition. That doesn't matter
what your pedigree is. You come in here, you have
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to earn everything. Everyone doesn't operate under that.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
So how as somebody from the outside how am I
supposed to identify who's you know what I'm saying, like
the reality of these situations, right, because I know famously
Pete Carroll is like that.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
That's how you end up with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Again, maybe he was sabotaged as well, but he wasn't
taking the reps with the ones until he was and
then he got the job, yes, right, and he beat
out Matt Flynn, who had thrown for five touchdowns on
the hapless Lions as a backup and made more money
than he did like his whole career in that one
moment and never even started for the Seahawks because he
got beat out in training camp.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I don't think that's happening this year though for the
Sea Yawk. Like where else is that?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
How can I, as a fan who's locked in, be
able to evaluate where that's happening and where it's not.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
I mean, it's a rarity, and in terms of watching
it happen, I would say two places where at quarterback
the competitions were three phrases. It would be Cleveland. I
feel like it would be a legit competition.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
New Orleans.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
They have no idea who's gonna start Tyler Shutt, Spencer Ratler,
and then you talk about the Indianapolis Coast. Anthony Richardson
is starting, but he and Daniel Jones. The money tell
you that Daniel Jones might be the starter based on
how much they're pan them, but Bridgeton is the first
one with the ball. So those appear to be legitimate competitions.
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But there's so many things that are baked in the
cap when you're trying to determine who wins the job.
It's not just the game that practices happits that you
exhibit in the film room. How does the team respond
to each player at the position.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
There's a lot to it.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
So when you make that, I mean, it's the biggest
decision that you can make, But when you make that,
you have to make sure that you feel great about
how the team is going to receive that decision.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
That's the other thing I think about what like, not
necessarily directly with Shador, but a lot of these later
around or backup quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
It's like, after a while, like with the forty.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Nine ers, for example, I didn't believe in brock Party,
But you know what did make me believe in Brock
Party is the way that. Literally all of them were like, nah,
I know he's just having thrown pick. I am making
allowances for the fact that you may doubt him, but
this guy can get us to the super Bowl. And
I was still like, wow, you know, yeah, he's not
very fast, had arms under you know. They're like, look,
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I don't care. He can do it. And sure enough
he was able to. And is he like a top
level like is he in the Mount Rushmore top quarterback? No,
but he's good enough and he's what they like and
he's doing for them.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
And those teams that are willing to take a chance
on a player like that, let's say San Francisco, they
go all in because they believe in what they believe in.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
They don't worry about.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
What the outside world says about their picks, their opinions
and those things. And like brock, Priddy is the biggest
and anomaly, the biggest surprise. But in a brock Pretty situation,
it allows.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
You to be like, all, r I brock Pretty did it.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
I certainly can see Sudew Sanders coming and being a
fifth round pick and eventually being the guy that does
a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I mean, stranger things have happened. Definitely, stranger things have happened,
but you know what's also strange, and Minnesota Twins have
traded their entire roster and in the last few days
have smoked the Detroit Tigers.
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Speaker 4 (22:48):
Achy knee stiff back joint's not cooperating some days. Everybody
just like no in on those days, Manzi. Luckily there's
a leaf, well just one pill will provides up to
twelve hours of paying relief, so you could keep on moving.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Use as directed.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Listen. Honestly, that's kind of what I don't want to
get too far into, you know what, Let's get into.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
It now with Matthew Stafford and this back injury. Listen,
Matthew Stafford is thirty seven some years old, right, thirty
eight years old, nearly forty. What Joe Flacco is doing
is just not working out, and they're not just giving
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them They just saying, look, it's just because they might
as well put.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
In Brethes Oldo. That's what we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Old That's what I feel like we're talking about with
Matthew Stafford right now. Like I get the report that
he had an epidural in his back, and I'm not
downplaying that at all. I'm not saying that it's light
work or anything like that. But just I will not
be concerned about Matthew Stafford until I see that he
is not like an actual actually doubtful for week one,
(24:13):
and week one has to be like two weeks away.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Yeah, yeah, now it's time. It's time.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
I mean, here's what we know about the Rams. The
Rams don't want to play their stars in the preseason.
They want to get to the starting line with everybody
ready and available to play. So that we understand that
Matthew Stafford, whatever he's dealing with, rest assured. There's a
there's a confidence that he'll be back for Week one,
ready to go. And when he goes, man, this offense
(24:41):
is gonna be. I can just I can just tell
you haven't been up in Oxnard yesterday watching them practicing
against the Cowboys. Fantasy tip Devonte Adams is worst. Whatever
you get to do to get because man, he was
getting big Z.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
That's what Jimmy ropp a long we know.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Remember saw on the on the Netflix documentary said I
gotta get out of here.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I gotta go.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
So he reunited with Jimmy g in l A. And
it looked it was nice.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Yet offensively they're nice and in defensively they got enough
goons to be problematic.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I really like their front four man.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
They're good.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Hey, they get after they they walk with a different
they walk with a different kind of swagger over there
now like they feel like they're pretty good. And when
you see them, they walk around like, yeah, I'm nice
with mine, Like that's kind of how they carried themselves.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
And see, so I will say this though the thing
that does and I'm not trying to talk out of
both sides of my mouth. I understand everything I just said.
But remember it's August sixth today, correct, Yeah, August sixth,
you're telling me about Matthew Stafford's back.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Unconcerned Now we.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Get into the twenties, Yeah, I'm a little more worried.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Right as we're approaching labor day. If he's still taking
up for thirs like he's in labor then a word.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
You said it, You said it perfectly. Matthew Stafford. Oh one,
I just just put it out. Everyone is like, Okay, he.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Just but this is also what I just.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Humor me because again, we are going to watch the
most jude preseason game in the history of preseason on Friday.
And I think that Jimmy Garoppolo has what three football
games four football games left in him in a row?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Like, I'm not saying he might be able to play
one here and it take a couple weeks off to
play another, but a row, you know what I'm saying, Like,
in a row, I don't think he got that much
more left. And I don't think Tedtson Bennet's got NFL
football in them at all. No disrespect to anybody all
parties involved, but Rams do have two first round picks.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I've heard the scuttle but that they're all locked in
on arch Manning.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I've only seen arch Manning shake one safety from UTSA
so far in his college career, so I don't know
that's going to turn out.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Apparently they have.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Canceled the Heisman Trophy ceremony because arts Man he's got
it right. But if Shador goes out there and plays, well,
I'm not worried about Stafford now, but again conceptually, I
am always worried about Stafford because he's old, I mean
years old, and so.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
You got two first round picks. Youre all types of ammunition.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I could see the Rams trying to be one of
those teams to acquire a quarterback before week one of
the season. And I mean, interestingly, I love it if
Shador was one of them. That'd be just fun for
me and RTR rooting for radio. But am I off
on that because it feels like they should be on
in on this.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
It feels like they should be but for whatever reason, Yeah,
but these are interesting times when it comes to quarterback
play and who crushes it, who's next coming or whatever.
And with these older quarterbacks, you ain't counting them like
that's just what it is. With the young guys, it's
not only are they experience enough, but enough around them
(28:01):
to elevate their games. Can you challenge them in different
ways to not be long ball hits, but can tend
to not always go for the big stuff and take
the check down and manage the team and do all
this other stuff. It's a very unique situation that I'm
be honest with you, These preseason games don't shed enough
light on what you need to see to make the
determination and who's going to be the best one for us?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
And so am I putting words in your mouth to
say that you find that out during these joint practices.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Yes, because in joint practices, which are better than preseason games,
you get the intensity of a game because you got
ones versus one's best versus breast.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
But it's a controlled environment.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
So I get all the ratcheted up stuff that I
get when I see another team, but I'm protected because
we're not taking people to the ground, We're not unleashing
way less shots on quarterbacks and receivers in those things.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
It's really the best of both worlds.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Quality work in an environment that should be really injury preventative.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
So I mean, look, you got friends in high places,
you know what I'm saying. NFL dot Com, Bucky Brooks,
you can go find all types of top five, top
ten lists done by you.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Put that on TV, then why can't we watch that?
I'm saying, you know, tell me I gonna watch it.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
By the fourth quarter of the Hall of Fame game,
nobody wants to be involved anymore.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
I mean, I thought it was cool, like seeing some
of those backups play.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
I'm saying, I don't have people. I just like i'd
like watch people hit each other. I'm I've come to
terms with this about myself.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Okay, you just like he like to watch the violence.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, I mean I put a competition of violence. I'll
go watch. I'll go watch high school football, college. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Okay, I'll go smoke.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I was high school college the Saints,
you know, so you know I'm just here. I'm here football.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Okay, you about it about their life, want us to
get after it.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
You know they didn't. They wouldn't let me play, which I.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Mean the wouldn't let you play.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Mama would't let me play.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Oh my, wouldn't let you play? Best it never was.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I wouldn't have been all that.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
You never know, man, you know I would have been
a high school I would have been a high school hero.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
I mean something. It goes a long way depends on
what kind of high school you go to.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I went to Jesuit High School.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
Okay, yeah, I am yeah, I am like, I mean
like you've got some people there like this. It's okay
being a high school star, hometown hero, being able to
go back Street named after you, the name plastered all
throughout the school.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
The top part is like Tyron Matthew would have been
a freshman, my sophomore, junior.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Honey, yeah, Honey, Badger played there.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
I know you played at Saint which was in the real, Oh,
the real. You have to get after it, the boot,
the real. Always talking about.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Let's see if Bucky Brooks makes it through this commercial break.
Pull that Benjamin Watson from SEC networking a few years
and I'm just.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Kidding, come back with the player today and just admitted
bar whits, said Bucky Brooks.
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Speaker 4 (31:43):
Martin Weiss and Bucky Brooks in on the I Couple
for Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington on a worship Wednesday,
I wonder what.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well religion this is from a little baby.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
I mean, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
I don't know if we snuck this one in. I
don't know if we I don't know. I don't know
if you can pass the offering, play the round after
you played.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
This right now, I'm not not exactly sure about that one.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Rob. And TJ? Is that TJ? All right, let's get TJ.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Houshman Jada, former Pro Bowl wide receiver co host up
on Game on Fox Sports Radio and my friend TJ.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
How are you doing?
Speaker 8 (32:21):
My friend man, I'm doing great. I'm just wondering why,
because I know it's so hard out In like six minutes,
this is gonna go by so fast.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
I know I'm not gonna talk about you ducking me
at the bottom of the hour. But that's all right,
But I want to get into Shador Sanders getting to
start here.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
You were a type of guy that had to battle
your way up.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Through training camp and we're not necessarily walked in penciled in.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
As the starter.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
How did you get your opportunity to eventually start? And
what can Shador do with this?
Speaker 9 (32:52):
I'll be honestly, when you're a.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Quarterback, Hey, TJ's got worse. TJ's in the car wash.
Is in the car wash?
Speaker 8 (33:13):
Man?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Listen, maybe we can try to get him back.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Right about to say, Taj's got worse reception than Anthony
Richards is completed percentage?
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Why kitchen got to catch it straight because.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
It's TJ's fault. Teach, you got your back down.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
You guys got me.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah, I got you, We got you. So yeah, So
you're saying, what were you saying about your door there?
Speaker 8 (33:39):
Listen, when you're a receipt, you'll get many reps. You
will as one in the quarterback. When you're a quarterback
in your backup, you get no apparently, and so for sure, Door,
it's how is this cadence gonna be well? The well
the starters be playing because they're not used to us
(34:02):
cadence because you're not really getting rest with him, and
so will he be playing with the that he's been
practicing with, because again, you may get routes on air,
you don't get seven on seven reps, you don't get
team reps. So there's just so many little things that
it's almost as if do they want him to succeed
(34:22):
almost because now this week of practice, are they now
going to give him reps with the one it?
Speaker 9 (34:30):
Will he get a ton.
Speaker 8 (34:31):
Of or just get get the reps with the guys
you're gonna play with. Let me not say the ones,
because the ones may not play. Are you getting a
ton of reps with the guys you play with? But
for Shador, you got to take advantage of every little
opportunity you get because by them doing this that they're
almost counting out. Go show them why you transform Jackson State.
(34:52):
Go show them why you transformed Colorado.
Speaker 9 (34:56):
That's what you want to know.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
J So tell me why they're why are they showing
a out? Huh?
Speaker 8 (35:02):
They I've never seen anything like like number one? Why
why are you still signing quarterbacks?
Speaker 9 (35:12):
Kenny Picky get hurt?
Speaker 8 (35:13):
Big deal is Kenny hell tja.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
They gotta play four quarters on front out somebody.
Speaker 8 (35:23):
You ain't been giving Shadur no reps. You don't think
he want to go three quarters and let Tyler helly
do want the whole game?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I mean he might.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
I think this is I think it's a chance for
him to me.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
It was you Drave Dylan Gabra on the third round
and you turn around. It was just like, what are
they doing? What are they doing? But sure can play?
I have noe just his and Buckie. You guys know
this man, when you believe in yourself and you had
that confidence, that's gonna carry you a long way. Now
you gotta go out there and do it. But he's
not gonna be overwhelmed by the moment. The moment is
(35:58):
not gonna be too big for him. It's going to
be just right for him. It's just the Cleveland gonna
be one of the worst teams in the National Football League.
We all know that that defense is going to be tough,
but offensively they're going to struggle. I don't care who
the quarterback is. And so Shadul will be given an opportunity.
He just has to take advantage of it. And this
is his first opportunity this weekend to take advantage of what's.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
The number one thing you're looking at when you watch
and play on Friday night?
Speaker 9 (36:27):
Timing?
Speaker 8 (36:28):
Are we getting the ball out with timing and anticipation
if protection isn't there, but we know all that goes
out the window. But I want to see play all time.
Can we play from the pocket? Can we hit our
fifth step and the ball comes out? Or are we
hitching and looking and looking at the pass rush? If
you can get the ball out on time, and that
(36:50):
shows me he knows what's going on. That shows me
he's recognizing defenses. And when you play with the starters,
that translates.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
So oh, I do want to go back to this
idea that because you did say they're almost setting them
up to fail, because does it? Almost everybody in the
NFL get their opportunity due to injury, whether or not
are not almost everybody, but enough people get their opportunity
due to injury, whether or not they're repping with the ones,
twos or practice squad. And that's just kind of how
(37:19):
it goes. And you step in and your you try
it your best to do what you can.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
That's how I got my opportunity was because of injury.
Peter Worke broke his leg against the New York Jets,
and I pretty much was the starter the rest of
the way.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
But nobody was setting Nobody was like, who you know what,
we gotta stick.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
It to whosh.
Speaker 8 (37:37):
But I was getting reps. I was still getting reps
with Carson here and there. I will still get reps
with the ones here and there, because you're a receiver
when you're a quarterback, Bucky, tell me how it worked.
Seven on seven, we got fifteen plays. The starter is
going eight, the backup is going four. The starter may
come back in for the last two or three. Third
(37:58):
string don't even get reps alone foor Stream. And so
when I say you're being set up, you're only being
set up if you're playing with guys that you haven't
been practicing with. And he's still gonna get out there
and make it do what it do. But it just
makes it harder. It makes it so much harder. And
so this week you announce he's going to be the starter,
(38:21):
I'm almost certain he will be getting all the reps
with the guys he's playing with. And so he should
be fine. It just it just seems kind of weird that, oh,
he's doing very well in practice, but he still can't
get any reps with the starters. That just it just
seems odd.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Yeah, you know, TJ, thanks for coming on and joining us.
I have a conspiracy theory on why that was the case,
why he wasn't getting reps with the ones, because I
feel like as soon as he gets any any run
with the starting offensive line and wide receivers there, all
the questions are going.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
To be, well, he's never going back to too, is he?
Speaker 5 (38:54):
He's a guy from now on?
Speaker 9 (38:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Coming up next?
Speaker 4 (38:57):
You want to talk about somebody being sabotaged. It ain't
s your door, Sanders, but it's another star in the NFL.
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Speaker 4 (00:28):
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Speaker 3 (00:38):
Bucky, thanks for coming on. How you doing, Oh guy,
I am so good.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
What's going on, Martin? What's having? It's doing well?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Like I said, everybody else has said it, so I'll
say it to been a while where you been, buddy.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
I mean, I've been at the crib.
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It's been a little atc situation at the crib, doing
a lot of radio from the house, from the home office.
First time I've been to the studio in a minutes.
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Speaker 3 (01:06):
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(01:49):
I will ever experience in my entire life.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Maybe maybe maybe maybe not. It's not always guarantee you.
Pinky toe is small, and you know what, I'm thirty five.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Maybe I got a future ahead of it. You never know.
The Saints draft of the twenty five year old cores
you never know.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
There's always a chan fully guaranteed contract, all right, But
from what as far as I can tell, in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
There's a few different ways that you can get a job, right.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
You can either win that job out, like through just
being better than the other person who's ahead of you
in that position. That person who's ahead of you in
that position can get hurt or do something disciplinary to
where they're no longer they're suspended for that game. Then
all of a sudden, you step in, you have three interceptions,
(02:33):
and all of a sudden, that person is now demoted.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Right, Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Mo Lewis Hits, Drew Bloodsholl, Tom Brady late round pick
walks into you know, Foxborough and history after that.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Right, you see this all the time. Kirk Cousins was
a fourth.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Round draft pick in Washington who, in the same draft
where a guy was drafted with the in the first
round three three right, ended up Kirk Cousins is the
guy that ended up getting the multiple and obviously to
get a long term but the multiple franchise tags he
got paid in Washington and then went on to have
the long career.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
The last one I can think of.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Dak Prescott was not a starter in the NFL until
Tony Romo's back hurt ah and then once Tony Romo's
back stopped hurting.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Tony Romo was then a backup. So when I perused.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
The Internet and Elon Musk's Twitter and the various sports
television shows, and I see people of repute saying that
Dion Sander, I mean Shador Sanders, he's being sabotaged because
he is getting the opportunity to start Friday. It doesn't
(03:51):
necessarily square with what I believe to be true. But again,
I don't have a lot of NFL experience, and my
NFL experience r NFL experience pales the comparison to mine.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
Is this a possibility sabotized? That sabotized is an interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Word, like break that down for me.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
So the way that I see it, the way the
reports have come out, can he Piickett is dealing with
the hamstring injury. Dylan Gabriel is also dealing with the
hamstring injury. Joe Flacco is the presumptive.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So he's got an injury when he gets out of
the bed.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
But they want him to be the starting quarterbacks, so
they want to keep him available. Well, if the other
two guys are down, that moves Shador Sanders up. So
it's not a To me, it's not a sabotage situation.
It's a tremendous opportunity national TV. Everyone's been clamoring to
see him. Whether you love him or hate him, everyone
wants to see him. He has an opportunity to kind
(04:47):
of change some of the narrative around him and his
game if he shows up and shows out, because now
he creates a conversation that they have to deal with
in the building, because if he plays well, that conversation
now comes inside the building because everything at the pressor
is going to be always he compete for the job,
right is he that? So to me, this is a
(05:08):
great opportunity to me, is actually a no lose situation
for Shudr Sanders.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Okay, break down.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Why do you say it's a no lose situation because
I definitely see a way that there could be losses here.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
Now there's no lose. So he comes in. He was
fourth on the depth chart already, right, he was a
fifth round pick, so he's the last one to the table.
So if he falters, then everyone is like, well, this
is why we took him in the fifth round, because
he wasn't better than Dylan Gable in the third can
he pick up was a free agent and Joe Flacco
is to whatever? So that that's worst case, that's where
(05:41):
he started.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
He wasn't getting rest with the ones anyway. Okay, can
I see what he's saying? Why what if he plays
right and plays well?
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Now it changes the pecking quorder a little bit and
it puts more pressure on the other guys to play well.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Because that's the thing that I find too. There's two
things here that I've find that I think that people
missing this conversation. The first one is Joe Flacco is
the starter. He has been named the starter, if not
already officially named the starter. You could write it in pen.
(06:16):
They just haven't turned the card in yet. You know
what it's like, seriously, And the only reason why is
because the deadline hasn't come. He's the starter, you know,
Hawaii know he's the starter because he doesn't have to
compete like everybody else does. That's how you know he's
the starter. When the starter can go, he's gonna be
our guy. Now they've decided that that guy is Joe
Flacco for what Hey whatever, I just I'm reporting the facts,
(06:39):
all right, for the facts. Now, if it's and I'll say,
if it's true, I'm not debating the reporters.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I'm just saying, like this, in this scenario, right, if.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
It's true, he's not getting any reps with the ones
at practice. It seems to me that the best opportunity
and honestly maybe.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
The only opportunity.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
That shit Door Sanders would have to make this roster
as a backup quarterback as the two is in preseason
games on TV, because if it's happening, it apparently is
not getting the opportunity in practice earned sabotaged whatever right
(07:27):
for whatever reason, when they got how many guys they
got out there, not like seventy five now or so
like out of those ninety guys, they've decided that if
three people they'd rather be playing quarterback before him, now
they're not available. This is the But the conversation if
he comes out and just does I say, just does,
(07:48):
like I could go out there and do it. But
he goes out there and plays like Trey Lanceton in
the first half, that conversation is going to Monday morning
is going to be the front page of the Cleveland
Playing Dealer is going to be Send Joe Flack on
to carpool lane. I want this guy to be my
starting quarterback, right, and that puts the pressure on now.
(08:08):
I really only think he really has to play better
in this competition than Dylan Gabriel, right, Like. I think
like cause they're kind of fighting again for that third spot.
And I get where you're saying it's a no lose
situation because going to play four, Lea's in the same
spot he's in. That's the spot I feel like he's in.
They're fighting for that third spot in Cleveland. It's kind of,
(08:29):
in my opinion, keeping their fingers crossed that somebody would
call them and be like, I will offer you a
sixth round pick for Kenny Pickett. You know, I'll offer
you a seventh thrown pick for Kenny Pickett. Yeah, So,
I mean the there definitely is that ten the Macks.
Prior to Kenny Pickett's injury, I felt like there were
two quarterback competitions going on, not one. It was between
(08:52):
Kenny Pickett and Joe Fla go to be the starter,
and then who's going to be a QB two between
Dylan Gable and Shooter or sin Right. My expectation is
both the rookies are gonna make the team, Dylan Gabriel,
you draft them in the third round, you're paying them
too much to cut them right out the gate.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Sudrea Sanders.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
If you were going to cut him, you're not gonna
be able to entertain the possibility of bringing them back
to the practice well, because somebody else will snatch them up. Sure,
because now all these stuff, the draft stuff is done,
like now you can take him and just like he's
a bargain basement deal.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
He's in the system now.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
So also to that point real quick, the salary cap
number and not the nerd out at quarterback is so
great for the Browns with the Sean watching that that
also is just heavily as son of my reason to
keep two rookie contracts.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Two small ones.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Joe Flacco is on a one year Like I mean,
it's it makes sense for them to be like we're
gonna go with an older guy and then two younger guys, right,
and for Kenny Pickett or whoever loses between those guys,
somebody hopefully will call because inefinitely there's going to be
an injury in the preseason, somebody's gonna need some depth,
or someone underperforms or whatever, and so that'll create an
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opportunity for them someone to trade Cleveland for one of
the older arterbacks, which is what they were likely hoping
for when they got through the draft.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Right and so and but the thing here what I
find now, tell me if this is off base, because
I don't think it is. But one of the things
they talk about, like an NBA summer league, it's like, oh,
you're really auditioning for all the teams, like you might
play for the Magic on Thursday and then you waved
and then by Friday, you're now suiting up for the
Heat like type of deal in the summer league, and
(10:26):
it was because you're trying to get a spot into
the league.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Shit door. Sanders obstensibly is trying.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Out for everybody on Friday, and it's gonna be like
it'll be the highest out, go out and the lim
it'll be the highest rated preseason at least first half
and ten years, right like, like without a doubt, Like
people are going to be locked into this, yes, and
so every like not just us, but fans, haters, media
(10:54):
and everybody like y'all scouts looking for another arm And
when I see him, like when I saw him in college,
I did not see a fifth round pick. Now, I
also get paid to evaluate talent, but I didn't see
a fifth round pick.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I thought it was a stretch at first, but like
third round felt.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Right, So it's worst.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Yeah, So to me, I saw him as a bottom
of the first round talent. I thought, look, I assume
and still believe that he's gonna be the best of
all the ones in the class. That's what I felt
like when I watched him in Colorado. I continue to
feel that way. I won't I won't get off of that.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Well, that's not that's not a hot like it may
sound hot, but it's really not.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
I'm just saying, like, based on what every coach and
everyone has always talked about. They talked about two things
that are really important at quarterback, accuracy and decision making,
And to me, he was best in show in acrecy
and decision making. Arm Talent is not what caam Ward's
was or some of the other guys. Athleticism isn't what
some of the other guys. But in terms of doing
the things that everyone has told us our most important
(11:57):
to the success at quarterback, he does those things really
well and not that we're counting stats in training camp
or whatever. But people have said he's been on the
mark in training camp. So my expectation is if he's
been on the mark playing with threes and fours against
the two defense or whatever, he's gonna play against the
twos and threes in the preseason game, he should look
(12:20):
won't say great, but he should be looking really really
good based on how he's performed. He's playing against backups,
vanilla coverages, he should be My expectation is he's gonna
play really really well against that because it's gonna be
very vanilla static.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Looks nothing crazy.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Okay, So take me inside the mind of the coaches
front office as they're watching him Friday night. What are
they looking for to see? Okay, this is an improvement?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Oh what? Oh?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
He missed this, So that's why we're knocking him down
a peg, Like, how can he have raise his status
on the death chart Friday night even though those guys
are hurt.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Well, here's what I say.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
The most movement that you're on the depth chart is
after this game, and it's because everything that we've done
prior to this in the offseason. OTA's MENI camp workouts
that's all great in shorts, but now we're playing real ball,
and in real ball, people change, some people show up,
some people fall back, and so this is a chance
for him if he shows up for people.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
To be like, oh, he is a legit baller, like
he literally.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
Can play, and that will change the natter and that
will start the reconfiguring in the tweaking of the depth chart.
Because remember there are only three preseason games, so this
is a big one. The last one is not even
really ad dress rehearsal. The second one is the dress rehearsal.
So he has an opportunity to head a stage to him, say,
he may play the whole game, right, he might play
(13:44):
the entire game, and so he has the entire stage
to himself.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
That is significant for him if he's able to show and.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Prove that's what That's the way I take it, and
it I thought it was that I saw people saying
that this was sabotaged because he had in practice with
those guys, and I'm gonna.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Figure you gotta figure out now that some of this
is you gotta figure out because guess what if you're
a backup quarterback in the National Football League, exactly you
don't get many reps in practice.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Exactly, make it four or five.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Starter goes down, Hey, get up, you ready, and you
have to figure out how to operate, how to go,
how to make this work. And this will be I mean,
he's lucky that he has a few days to prepare
his mind for being the starting quarterback. Most guys don't
get that when you're the backup. So this is we'll
get a chance.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
To see how he handleson I mean, you know, I
watched Baker Mayfield be a Carolina Panther on Monday and
win a game and lose me a bet for the
veager of the Rams.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Because you went to the Rams and you didn't bet
on them. You didn't think, no way Baker Mayfield is
gonna come off the streets.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
You know what, Bucky, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I don't consider myself a great handicapper, but I am
pretty good.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
You know what. But I silly me.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
I thought that, well, the other team's quarterbacks only been
on the team for two days. The team that had
the quarterbacks this training camp should probably win mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
But then I forgot they were coached by Josh McDaniel.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Here's a lot of super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Understand, Yeah, how many was he the head coach for?
Speaker 5 (15:14):
I mean yeah, whoops?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
All right?
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Coming up, XT dive into some more of these training
camp battles, because there's like there's sometimes there's battles.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
This is like more of a training camp argument.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
And I want to get Bucky's take on this as
a guy who would have some knowledge on it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
We'll get to that in just a minute.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Martin Weiss Bucky Brooks in for Rob Parker and Calvin
Washington on the couple.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
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Speaker 4 (15:50):
Here on the Odd Couple, Martin Weis and Bucky Brooks
in for Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington. You know, training
camp battles going everywhere all across NFL America right now.
You know what those guys are doing after practice, are
probably popping them to leave aky, nigue, stiff back. Joy's
not cooperating. Some days, everybody's just like nope. And on
(16:11):
those days, luckily there's a leave. Just one pill. A
lead provides up to twelve hours of paying relief so
you can keep on moving use as directed and so Bucky,
I always find you fascinating. I hope the audience does
as well when you actually have somebody who is like
in the business of the NFL, especially in the like
(16:32):
the front office, scouting and working around in that business
and guys who are doing the evaluations all the time,
because that's what I find to be one of the
more fascinating ways of just team building and how you.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Decide where to go here, where to go there.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Like just in the last segment, we're talking about how
just financially, whether it was Joe Smith and you know
John Smith, it makes more sense for the Cleveland Browns
to take two rookies at quarterback because the Deshaun Watson's cabinet,
right you know what I'm saying is just just and
the way the Sheba and all these things work is
essentially the rules for teams, right like like obviously each
(17:11):
team when they're playing a game has rules. And remember
Bill Belichick used to manipulate the rules in a way
or find loophole famously and be able to do like okay,
and don't even I'm not talking about the videotaping. I'm
talking about legitimately special team things are like, oh, if
you if you get two delay of games that actually
reverts back to this or that, and you know, things
that the NFL may not have checked on or hell,
(17:34):
the tush push, for example, kind of against the rules
sort of but maybe not right. And until then, we're
gonna keep doing it until somebody tells me. And so
when I'm looking at the way that these camp battles
are evaluated, had hard knocks launched yesterday, the Buffalo Bills
obviously no competition at their quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
They'd like it to be less.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
No competition that running back, but you go, he's holding out,
and then you have all these other competitions along the board.
I'm wondering, like, how realistic, generally is it that you
could see a seventh round undrafted guy beating out or
getting the opportunities getting the reps to beat out a
second round or first round guy.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
It has to be a legitimate.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Conversation and situation between the front office and the coaching
staff where part of your philosophy, your mission statement is
we provide opportunities to everyone who walks in the door.
We don't have a roster that's already set when we
head to training camp. We are legitimately giving guys chances
to make the roster. Years ago to Seattle, Seahawks operated
off of that, Pete Carroll will say, hey man, we'll
(18:41):
give anybody an opportunity to play. Don't worry about those things.
Whatever you come in as, it doesn't matter. Once you
get here, we're gonna judge you based on the merit
of what you've done here. Baltimore Ravens used to operate
like that. Most teams don't operate under that premise, though
a lot of teams are guarding their desks. If you
could use that term, if I draft you, you're gonna
(19:02):
make the team, because if I drafted and I cut you,
then it looks like we didn't do a good job
of drafting. So everyone who's drafted has to make the team,
or I'm a practice squad or whatever. So it is
really dependent upon if the coaching staff in the front
offs really believe in an open competition. That doesn't matter
what your pedigree is. You come in here, you have
(19:22):
to earn everything. Everyone doesn't operate under that.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
So how as somebody from the outside how am I
supposed to identify who's you know what I'm saying, like
the reality of these situations, right, because I know famously
Pete Carroll is like that.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
That's how you end up with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Again, maybe he was sabotaged as well, but he wasn't
taking the reps with the ones until he was and
then he got the job, yes, right, and he beat
out Matt Flynn, who had thrown for five touchdowns on
the hapless Lions as a backup and made more money
than he did like his whole career in that one
moment and never even started for the Seahawks because he
got beat out in training camp.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I don't think that's happening this year though for the
Sea Yawk. Like where else is that?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
How can I, as a fan who's locked in, be
able to evaluate where that's happening and where it's not.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
I mean, it's a rarity, and in terms of watching
it happen, I would say two places where at quarterback
the competitions were three phrases. It would be Cleveland. I
feel like it would be a legit competition.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
New Orleans.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
They have no idea who's gonna start Tyler Shutt, Spencer Ratler,
and then you talk about the Indianapolis Coast. Anthony Richardson
is starting, but he and Daniel Jones. The money tell
you that Daniel Jones might be the starter based on
how much they're pan them, but Bridgeton is the first
one with the ball. So those appear to be legitimate competitions.
(20:45):
But there's so many things that are baked in the
cap when you're trying to determine who wins the job.
It's not just the game that practices happits that you
exhibit in the film room. How does the team respond
to each player at the position.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
There's a lot to it.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
So when you make that, I mean, it's the biggest
decision that you can make, But when you make that,
you have to make sure that you feel great about
how the team is going to receive that decision.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
That's the other thing I think about what like, not
necessarily directly with Shador, but a lot of these later
around or backup quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
It's like, after a while, like with the forty.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Nine ers, for example, I didn't believe in brock Party,
But you know what did make me believe in Brock
Party is the way that. Literally all of them were like, nah,
I know he's just having thrown pick. I am making
allowances for the fact that you may doubt him, but
this guy can get us to the super Bowl. And
I was still like, wow, you know, yeah, he's not
very fast, had arms under you know. They're like, look,
(21:41):
I don't care. He can do it. And sure enough
he was able to. And is he like a top
level like is he in the Mount Rushmore top quarterback? No,
but he's good enough and he's what they like and
he's doing for them.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
And those teams that are willing to take a chance
on a player like that, let's say San Francisco, they
go all in because they believe in what they believe in.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
They don't worry about.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
What the outside world says about their picks, their opinions
and those things. And like brock, Priddy is the biggest
and anomaly, the biggest surprise. But in a brock Pretty situation,
it allows.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
You to be like, all, r I brock Pretty did it.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
I certainly can see Sudew Sanders coming and being a
fifth round pick and eventually being the guy that does
a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I mean, stranger things have happened. Definitely, stranger things have happened,
but you know what's also strange, and Minnesota Twins have
traded their entire roster and in the last few days
have smoked the Detroit Tigers.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
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Speaker 4 (22:48):
Achy knee stiff back joint's not cooperating some days. Everybody
just like no in on those days, Manzi. Luckily there's
a leaf, well just one pill will provides up to
twelve hours of paying relief, so you could keep on moving.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Use as directed.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Listen. Honestly, that's kind of what I don't want to
get too far into, you know what, Let's get into.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
It now with Matthew Stafford and this back injury. Listen,
Matthew Stafford is thirty seven some years old, right, thirty
eight years old, nearly forty. What Joe Flacco is doing
is just not working out, and they're not just giving
(23:38):
them They just saying, look, it's just because they might
as well put.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
In Brethes Oldo. That's what we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Old That's what I feel like we're talking about with
Matthew Stafford right now. Like I get the report that
he had an epidural in his back, and I'm not
downplaying that at all. I'm not saying that it's light
work or anything like that. But just I will not
be concerned about Matthew Stafford until I see that he
is not like an actual actually doubtful for week one,
(24:13):
and week one has to be like two weeks away.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Yeah, yeah, now it's time. It's time.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
I mean, here's what we know about the Rams. The
Rams don't want to play their stars in the preseason.
They want to get to the starting line with everybody
ready and available to play. So that we understand that
Matthew Stafford, whatever he's dealing with, rest assured. There's a
there's a confidence that he'll be back for Week one,
ready to go. And when he goes, man, this offense
(24:41):
is gonna be. I can just I can just tell
you haven't been up in Oxnard yesterday watching them practicing
against the Cowboys. Fantasy tip Devonte Adams is worst. Whatever
you get to do to get because man, he was
getting big Z.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
That's what Jimmy ropp a long we know.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Remember saw on the on the Netflix documentary said I
gotta get out of here.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I gotta go.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
So he reunited with Jimmy g in l A. And
it looked it was nice.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Yet offensively they're nice and in defensively they got enough
goons to be problematic.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I really like their front four man.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
They're good.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Hey, they get after they they walk with a different
they walk with a different kind of swagger over there
now like they feel like they're pretty good. And when
you see them, they walk around like, yeah, I'm nice
with mine, Like that's kind of how they carried themselves.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
And see, so I will say this though the thing
that does and I'm not trying to talk out of
both sides of my mouth. I understand everything I just said.
But remember it's August sixth today, correct, Yeah, August sixth,
you're telling me about Matthew Stafford's back.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Unconcerned Now we.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Get into the twenties, Yeah, I'm a little more worried.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Right as we're approaching labor day. If he's still taking
up for thirs like he's in labor then a word.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
You said it, You said it perfectly. Matthew Stafford. Oh one,
I just just put it out. Everyone is like, Okay, he.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Just but this is also what I just.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Humor me because again, we are going to watch the
most jude preseason game in the history of preseason on Friday.
And I think that Jimmy Garoppolo has what three football
games four football games left in him in a row?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Like, I'm not saying he might be able to play
one here and it take a couple weeks off to
play another, but a row, you know what I'm saying, Like,
in a row, I don't think he got that much
more left. And I don't think Tedtson Bennet's got NFL
football in them at all. No disrespect to anybody all
parties involved, but Rams do have two first round picks.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I've heard the scuttle but that they're all locked in
on arch Manning.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I've only seen arch Manning shake one safety from UTSA
so far in his college career, so I don't know
that's going to turn out.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Apparently they have.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Canceled the Heisman Trophy ceremony because arts Man he's got
it right. But if Shador goes out there and plays, well,
I'm not worried about Stafford now, but again conceptually, I
am always worried about Stafford because he's old, I mean
years old, and so.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
You got two first round picks. Youre all types of ammunition.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I could see the Rams trying to be one of
those teams to acquire a quarterback before week one of
the season. And I mean, interestingly, I love it if
Shador was one of them. That'd be just fun for
me and RTR rooting for radio. But am I off
on that because it feels like they should be on
in on this.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
It feels like they should be but for whatever reason, Yeah,
but these are interesting times when it comes to quarterback
play and who crushes it, who's next coming or whatever.
And with these older quarterbacks, you ain't counting them like
that's just what it is. With the young guys, it's
not only are they experience enough, but enough around them
(28:01):
to elevate their games. Can you challenge them in different
ways to not be long ball hits, but can tend
to not always go for the big stuff and take
the check down and manage the team and do all
this other stuff. It's a very unique situation that I'm
be honest with you, These preseason games don't shed enough
light on what you need to see to make the
determination and who's going to be the best one for us?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
And so am I putting words in your mouth to
say that you find that out during these joint practices.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Yes, because in joint practices, which are better than preseason games,
you get the intensity of a game because you got
ones versus one's best versus breast.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
But it's a controlled environment.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
So I get all the ratcheted up stuff that I
get when I see another team, but I'm protected because
we're not taking people to the ground, We're not unleashing
way less shots on quarterbacks and receivers in those things.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
It's really the best of both worlds.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Quality work in an environment that should be really injury preventative.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
So I mean, look, you got friends in high places,
you know what I'm saying. NFL dot Com, Bucky Brooks,
you can go find all types of top five, top
ten lists done by you.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Put that on TV, then why can't we watch that?
I'm saying, you know, tell me I gonna watch it.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
By the fourth quarter of the Hall of Fame game,
nobody wants to be involved anymore.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
I mean, I thought it was cool, like seeing some
of those backups play.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
I'm saying, I don't have people. I just like i'd
like watch people hit each other. I'm I've come to
terms with this about myself.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Okay, you just like he like to watch the violence.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, I mean I put a competition of violence. I'll
go watch. I'll go watch high school football, college. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Okay, I'll go smoke.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I was high school college the Saints,
you know, so you know I'm just here. I'm here football.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Okay, you about it about their life, want us to
get after it.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
You know they didn't. They wouldn't let me play, which I.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Mean the wouldn't let you play.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Mama would't let me play.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Oh my, wouldn't let you play? Best it never was.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I wouldn't have been all that.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
You never know, man, you know I would have been
a high school I would have been a high school hero.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
I mean something. It goes a long way depends on
what kind of high school you go to.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I went to Jesuit High School.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
Okay, yeah, I am yeah, I am like, I mean
like you've got some people there like this. It's okay
being a high school star, hometown hero, being able to
go back Street named after you, the name plastered all
throughout the school.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
The top part is like Tyron Matthew would have been
a freshman, my sophomore, junior.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Honey, yeah, Honey, Badger played there.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
I know you played at Saint which was in the real, Oh,
the real. You have to get after it, the boot,
the real. Always talking about.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
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Pull that Benjamin Watson from SEC networking a few years
and I'm just.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Kidding, come back with the player today and just admitted
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I wonder what.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
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Speaker 5 (31:58):
I mean, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
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don't know if we I don't know. I don't know
if you can pass the offering, play the round after
you played.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
This right now, I'm not not exactly sure about that one.
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Speaker 3 (32:20):
How are you doing?
Speaker 8 (32:21):
My friend man, I'm doing great. I'm just wondering why,
because I know it's so hard out In like six minutes,
this is gonna go by so fast.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
I know I'm not gonna talk about you ducking me
at the bottom of the hour. But that's all right,
But I want to get into Shador Sanders getting to
start here.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
You were a type of guy that had to battle
your way up.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Through training camp and we're not necessarily walked in penciled in.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
As the starter.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
How did you get your opportunity to eventually start? And
what can Shador do with this?
Speaker 9 (32:52):
I'll be honestly, when you're a.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Quarterback, Hey, TJ's got worse. TJ's in the car wash.
Is in the car wash?
Speaker 8 (33:13):
Man?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Listen, maybe we can try to get him back.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Right about to say, Taj's got worse reception than Anthony
Richards is completed percentage?
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Why kitchen got to catch it straight because.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
It's TJ's fault. Teach, you got your back down.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
You guys got me.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah, I got you, We got you. So yeah, So
you're saying, what were you saying about your door there?
Speaker 8 (33:39):
Listen, when you're a receipt, you'll get many reps. You
will as one in the quarterback. When you're a quarterback
in your backup, you get no apparently, and so for sure, Door,
it's how is this cadence gonna be well? The well
the starters be playing because they're not used to us
(34:02):
cadence because you're not really getting rest with him, and
so will he be playing with the that he's been
practicing with, because again, you may get routes on air,
you don't get seven on seven reps, you don't get
team reps. So there's just so many little things that
it's almost as if do they want him to succeed
(34:22):
almost because now this week of practice, are they now
going to give him reps with the one it?
Speaker 9 (34:30):
Will he get a ton.
Speaker 8 (34:31):
Of or just get get the reps with the guys
you're gonna play with. Let me not say the ones,
because the ones may not play. Are you getting a
ton of reps with the guys you play with? But
for Shador, you got to take advantage of every little
opportunity you get because by them doing this that they're
almost counting out. Go show them why you transform Jackson State.
(34:52):
Go show them why you transformed Colorado.
Speaker 9 (34:56):
That's what you want to know.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
J So tell me why they're why are they showing
a out? Huh?
Speaker 8 (35:02):
They I've never seen anything like like number one? Why
why are you still signing quarterbacks?
Speaker 9 (35:12):
Kenny Picky get hurt?
Speaker 8 (35:13):
Big deal is Kenny hell tja.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
They gotta play four quarters on front out somebody.
Speaker 8 (35:23):
You ain't been giving Shadur no reps. You don't think
he want to go three quarters and let Tyler helly
do want the whole game?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I mean he might.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
I think this is I think it's a chance for
him to me.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
It was you Drave Dylan Gabra on the third round
and you turn around. It was just like, what are
they doing? What are they doing? But sure can play?
I have noe just his and Buckie. You guys know
this man, when you believe in yourself and you had
that confidence, that's gonna carry you a long way. Now
you gotta go out there and do it. But he's
not gonna be overwhelmed by the moment. The moment is
(35:58):
not gonna be too big for him. It's going to
be just right for him. It's just the Cleveland gonna
be one of the worst teams in the National Football League.
We all know that that defense is going to be tough,
but offensively they're going to struggle. I don't care who
the quarterback is. And so Shadul will be given an opportunity.
He just has to take advantage of it. And this
is his first opportunity this weekend to take advantage of what's.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
The number one thing you're looking at when you watch
and play on Friday night?
Speaker 9 (36:27):
Timing?
Speaker 8 (36:28):
Are we getting the ball out with timing and anticipation
if protection isn't there, but we know all that goes
out the window. But I want to see play all time.
Can we play from the pocket? Can we hit our
fifth step and the ball comes out? Or are we
hitching and looking and looking at the pass rush? If
you can get the ball out on time, and that
(36:50):
shows me he knows what's going on. That shows me
he's recognizing defenses. And when you play with the starters,
that translates.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
So oh, I do want to go back to this
idea that because you did say they're almost setting them
up to fail, because does it? Almost everybody in the
NFL get their opportunity due to injury, whether or not
are not almost everybody, but enough people get their opportunity
due to injury, whether or not they're repping with the ones,
twos or practice squad. And that's just kind of how
(37:19):
it goes. And you step in and your you try
it your best to do what you can.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
That's how I got my opportunity was because of injury.
Peter Worke broke his leg against the New York Jets,
and I pretty much was the starter the rest of
the way.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
But nobody was setting Nobody was like, who you know what,
we gotta stick.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
It to whosh.
Speaker 8 (37:37):
But I was getting reps. I was still getting reps
with Carson here and there. I will still get reps
with the ones here and there, because you're a receiver
when you're a quarterback, Bucky, tell me how it worked.
Seven on seven, we got fifteen plays. The starter is
going eight, the backup is going four. The starter may
come back in for the last two or three. Third
(37:58):
string don't even get reps alone foor Stream. And so
when I say you're being set up, you're only being
set up if you're playing with guys that you haven't
been practicing with. And he's still gonna get out there
and make it do what it do. But it just
makes it harder. It makes it so much harder. And
so this week you announce he's going to be the starter,
(38:21):
I'm almost certain he will be getting all the reps
with the guys he's playing with. And so he should
be fine. It just it just seems kind of weird that, oh,
he's doing very well in practice, but he still can't
get any reps with the starters. That just it just
seems odd.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Yeah, you know, TJ, thanks for coming on and joining us.
I have a conspiracy theory on why that was the case,
why he wasn't getting reps with the ones, because I
feel like as soon as he gets any any run
with the starting offensive line and wide receivers there, all
the questions are going.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
To be, well, he's never going back to too, is he?
Speaker 5 (38:54):
He's a guy from now on?
Speaker 9 (38:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Coming up next?
Speaker 4 (38:57):
You want to talk about somebody being sabotaged. It ain't
s your door, Sanders, but it's another star in the NFL.
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