August 25, 2025 • 39 mins
Former NFL offensive lineman Ephraim Salaam is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin tell us if it’s fair to say that Kevin Stefanski and the Cleveland Browns are sabotaging Shedeur Sanders, discuss the rookie trials and tribulations that Shedeur is currently facing, and explain why they have a problem with the deal Trey Hendrickson got from the Cincinnati Bengals.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yes, it's right into It is The Odd Couple. Kilvin Washington,
my guy Ethan Salamo is in for Rob Parker. Rob,
I think it is.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
He from intown but not in town, but intown but
not in town, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Thing.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
He's here, but he getting ready to go back on
the next leg of his truck. And UH talk to
him yesterday, So checked in with Rob. He's doing good,
he's enjoying himself. He's been all he was in Detroit
and he's back here but he's getting ready to Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Did you tell him I was filling in? Was he
come up?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Which you know, it's funny in all full transparency, he
just texs, Hey, you got a sect? Can I call you?
Or something like that, And I was like, I wonder
if it's about that?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Man? Hey, many been sounding like you're having a little
too much fun and uh, hey, you know, you know
I just was wondering.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
But no, it wasn't about it. It wasn't about that.
But no, he's doing what great. So we'll hear from
him as this trip goes on. We'll keep you updated.
But we got Epherman for today and tomorrow as well,
looking forward to the show a lot in story. We
got a couple of guests getting ready to join us
as well, because there's a whole bunch of football topics
to get to as we gear up and gear up
(01:37):
and get closer to the season.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Starting.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
One thing I want to I'm gonna throw this out
here in a second because I need some help with this.
You to listen, I need your help with this, all right?
Coming up the next hour, we have Marcellus Wiley's gonna
join us at yeah, eight thirty if you're on the
East coast, five thirty on the West coast. Top of
the hour, we'll have Jason Lloyd, he's a columnist for
The Athletic uh, the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show, going to
join us as well. We'll talk about well we're getting
ready to talk about now, but in more depth with
(02:02):
him getting the person who's in Cleveland's perspective as well.
Then I gotta also do one a little segment. I've
done it a couple of times. Ain't nobody got time
for that? Remember the infor missed little clip? Anybody got
time for that? Well, on my way here, ain't nobody
got time for something I saw? So we'll do that
at the end of the next hour as well. So
a whole lot to get you throughout this show. Let's
(02:22):
welcome in the Eye couple crew, because we couldn't do
the show without them.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
We've got rob G. The Goat.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Is back in his seat because I had to smoke
him over here. He was sitting where you are last
week on Friday. Oh, he was filing in feeling in
rob G speaking of feeling, he been feeling himself.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
You let him, Yeah, like a real part of the show.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
It is about this four or fifth time he's been
getting a little carried away. Oh so that's why I
can't get no dates.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
Everybody got choice.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Making sense now? Yeah? All right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Cool?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Cool?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
And we got of course we got on the ones
and twos, Miss Mary, Mary.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Be Mary, why your bug?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
And Miss Mary on the ones that truth throughout the
show Steven Sager is gonna get you. What's trending was
updated and again my fellow co anchor for the day
Calls of the Day is sal.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Shoot from Salaams.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Weekend was good. Super Bowl baby, that was a super Bowl.
Just so you know, it was a super Bowl. That
was dope.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
No, the weekend was great. Man.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
It's always good when you can just go and be
with the kids. Uh and and just hang out.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Man.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
I look, I'm really busy during the week so just
decompressing with the family on the weekend is a big
deal for me.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I love it. I love working as well. And the
perfect hybrid.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Yeah, you gotta I want to be with y'all, but
daddy gotta work because all y'all like the Universal. Yeah,
Universal money didn't come from the Disney that's the new one.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Now.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
No, they they went to Disneyland Saturday after we had
a Universal for we had Yes. Oh, they go to
Disneyland all the time. Oh y'all doing I would say
last year and I'm talking school year like, so from
September to September, I think my wife and my boys
have gone to Disneyland maybe fifty times. Wait, I'm waiting
(04:21):
for the punchline. Serious, Yes, I'm serious. I've gone twice,
they've gone fifty.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Five zero.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
We were in Anaheim for a tournament. Like I'm pretty
much live in Anaheim. They're in Steel Beach in Garden Grove,
and my son had two games, one at two and
one at four. So my wife was like, look, we're
down there. I'll drive separate after the game, you can
come home. You can come home, and then I'll take
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the boys to Disneyland. So it's just like going to
in and out for y'all. Look like it's just Hey,
it's around the corner. Let's just go to Disneyland. She'll
pick them up from school. Tuesday's early.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, let out. Yeah yeah yeah, she put him up
from school and go to Disn'tland.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Okay, yeah, Robgy officially, don't ever tell me I live
a different life. Okay, I appreciate that. Please put all
of that on EVEM.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Salo. Please do you know why? You know? Why don't
you everybody got choices?
Speaker 6 (05:16):
Is it because you tried hard in high school?
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Hey man, all right, Maxim ever, I'm not listening to
it again. All right, man, we got a great show
lined up. Let's get this thing started. So of course,
all the conversation coming out of the weekend like it
has been, has been with the Cleveland Browns, and this
time it has been a couple of different ways. You
got Dylan Gabriel and then you have, of course, are
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you have Joe Flacco nine to ten get a touchdown
seventy something yards for him?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Looks good.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
But eventually the big conversation coming out of it, of
course is Shadure Sanders and how he looked where he
did not look great, getting sacked five times of completed
three passes and just looked out of sorts, as did
the former position you played. By the way, the offensive
line as well. I mean, I don't even know who
was out there at that point. I don't know if
it was D Is there a D such thing as
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a D six offensive line and D two, D three
it was D six because I don't know they had
him running around out there. Now he was holding the
ball longer than you would want to as well. Uh
so you don't like that, But what were're saying, no, no,
go go. So the larger conversation comes out of that
to me, Ephraim and even Steve Sefanski we had that.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Let me hear me, Kevin. I'm sorry, Kevin Stefanski. This
is what he had. This has been the conversation his brother. Yeah,
let me get to Kevin.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Everybody had this conversation, and it's been a topic on shows,
including ours. Are they sabotaging? How are they using them?
Why didn't they use him for this two minute drill?
And does he hear all of this chatter? Here's what
he had to say.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
Obviously, I don't concern myself with outside type of things,
but you know, I'm committed to his development, just like
all of our rookies. So we'll continue to focus on
getting our guys better, and that's what We'll stay committed
to him.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
That's what's important to me.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
So for me, this comes down to something that I
look at it this way. Are they sabotaging Shaudure? Is
there a game plan out to keep him under their thumb?
And I don't think that is the goal. I don't
think they purposely set out to sabotage Shaudure. But what
I do think is they have no idea what they're doing,
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and they haven't had an idea what they're doing for
thirty the forty years, and I mean that sincerely, respectively, respectfully, like,
look at the quarterback situations they've had nearly forty quarterbacks
and over the last twenty five years, and you look
at the decisions that they've made. Of course we go back.
Let's just go back to the Deshaun Watson one. And
(07:39):
I think Shadure is paying for the Deshaun Watson move,
meaning we went all in, we made a controversial move,
We gave this guy un president guaranteed money, and it backfired.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
He didn't play well.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
He was also injured, and there was also a controversy
that came with it, and you know, and you took
the ire of society with some people saying what about
the women involved in this? They got all of that
compounded with him now being injured and being out, And
I think Shadeur is paying for a bit of that
of we can't have any mishaps, we can't have any mistakes,
and we don't want also the controversy and always having
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to endure these conversations.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
And I think Shadeur is a recipient of parts of that.
But they continue historically to make bad moves, the Browns,
and I look at this as they don't know what
they're doing with the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
So now what you do is you bring in a
guy who's forty.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
There have been fifteen quarterbacks in the history of the NFL,
which have been hundreds to potentially thousands of quarterbacks over
the years, over one hundred years of NFL, only fifteen
have been forty and started over ten games, about four
of that success. And you're looking at those because they're
Hall of famers. You got Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees,
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and of course Tom Brady, Joe Flacco ain't that And
so I understand he brings some stability.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I understand he knows the system. I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
But to me, it's the same conversation that Rob g
Rob Parker and I had when I'm looking at the Steelers,
and you keep bringing in guys for right now, right now,
when they're not your future, and at some point you
have to turn a page and start you progressing towards
your future.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
And you know this.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
There will be growing pains as you go towards your future.
There will be mistakes as you go towards your future,
but you have to do it. And to me, keep
trying to find a mandate, keep trying to put it here. Okay,
we had Joe Flako made the postseas, Okay, we let
him go. Wait, go get him back. Wait, nobody wants
Canny Pikett, but go get him now. It just shows
and reflects to me, including the shau Dur and including
the Dylan Gabriel, because Dylan Gabriel has been fine ball accounts.
(09:37):
He's been fine in the locker room, he's been fine
on the practice field, he's been fine in the games,
and he's not even really getting the topic of conversation
when it should be. To me, we have these two
rookies that we're trying to figure out what we're doing
and maybe can he pick it? Okay, fine, and we're
trying to move forward with this who's gonna start, who's
gonna be back up? And you're moving towards your future,
and to me, they come out looking more disenfranchised, more
(09:59):
clueless to run this organization in that position and putting
guys in positions where they don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
The team doesn't know what they're doing. Shaudor think is
he getting two minute drive? Because why wouldn't He's into
the game. Go ahead and go try to win this game.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Kid.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
They don't give it to him. They're throwing somebody Huntley
who has nothing to do with nothing. What was the
point of that? And so I just don't get. I
haven't got what they were doing in the beginning. I
believe Shadoor Sander should absolutely be a part of this
roster and absolutely be a part of their moving forward.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Even if Dylan Gabriel was a starter, Shador should be
there as well. And I walk away from this even
more confused about the Brons organization, the way they drafted,
the way they gave Deshaun Watson money, and what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
That was well put.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
And let me tell you, Okay, break it down what
I believe is going on. All Right, so you bring
it in Joe Flacco because you don't have a clear
cut player that you want at number one. You're not
really mesmerized by any of the young players in this draft, right,
(11:00):
you punt on drafting the first second round quarterback and
opt for more of a developmental rookie quarterback, which you're
getting the later rounds.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Third on.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Do you know there's about six or seven kids next
year will be first round quarterback talents. You understand that
you don't expect Joe Flacco to play all seventeen games.
You don't expect Joe Flacco to win the division for
you or anything like that. But you do expect Joe
Flacco to help other young players, other young position players, receivers,
(11:33):
tight ends, running backs develop because he's not developing when
everybody's developing together. That's a difficult task. So you want
to build your other assets up for when you do
go into the market. I believe they have two first
round draft picks next year. When you do go into
(11:54):
the market, and you find the kid that you'll be
watching all college that you'll want to in the first
round draft pick on with that said, you take Dylan
Gabriel in the third round. You know, Dylan's been in
college a long time, played a lot of quarterback, and
there's some talent there. You get told by ownership, Hey,
(12:15):
in the fifth round. Well, when the fifth round came around,
Shadul was still on the board. You got to take
your duer said, so they take him. You wouldn't normally
draft two quarterbacks in the same draft. It never works
out well, but the mandate was sent down. They did
what they were supposed to do. Now, Joe Flacoh didn't
play until the last preseason game because you know what
(12:36):
Joe Flaco is. Wanted to get him out there, knock
some of the real rust off of him.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Uh, and you.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Wanted to see what the other two young quarterbacks you
drafted had. You also went out and got Kenny Pickett
in a trade trade. Yeah, just to be sure. You know,
you don't have a quarterback. And so Dylan Gabriel got hurt.
(13:02):
Can he Picktt got hurt? And so you had Joe
flaccoh you had shadour first game, Shader starts plays, you
sign hunting Lee to back up because no one else
is left. He was never a cog in the world,
was never gonna make it. And so Chador goes out
there and plays well. That was a great first outing
(13:24):
in preseason. The next game, Dylan Gabriel had an opportunity,
even with a bad hamstring, he went out there and played. Okay,
she had a little bit better numbers. Uh, he had
more drives. But Dylan Gabriel did okay. Oblique injury, wow, Okay,
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can he get back from that?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
He does?
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Final preseason game, you finally let Joe Flacco go out there,
Dylan Gabriel, who's a third round draft pick, plays with
the twos, and then you have chadur coming in with
you know, everyone else trying to make the team. Now,
the problem I'm having is if you're a fifth round
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draft pick, there are very few team captains and leaders
in the locker room in the fifth round, very few
in the third round. So until you reach that status,
you can't come in at that status. There's so much
work to be done to be respected and seeing in
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that locker room. And this is look off season stuff,
off the field stuff, the speeding tickets. It is what
it is. But you also have to realize you're a
late round draft pick. No matter what you believe in
your mind, the numbers are the numbers. You are in
the fifth round draft pick. Their fifth round draft picks
will been cut for less, all right. So now you
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get into the game, it doesn't go well for you.
Some of the the same negatives that people had about you,
even your fans had about you in college, are manifesting themselves.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
You hold on to the ball too long.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
There is no extending plays like that unless you have
Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and Kyler Murray level of athleticism.
He does not. Shudiel Sanders isn't that black quarterback? Okay,
Just so I'm just gonna be real, right right, So
we I saw as an offensive lineman, I saw some
(15:33):
really bad sacks. Step up into the pocket. The moment
you turn your shoulders the opposite direction, you're in trouble.
Unless you're who Lamar Jackson. You're not him. You have
to know who you are, and no three step drop.
The ball must come out or you got to get
rid of it. There is no other read. So there
(15:54):
are some technical things that I saw him unable to
really do. And I don't know if it was the
injury or whatever. I know he wanted to make a play.
But if there's no play there to be made, then
you gotta get out of it. Instead of third or
in second and twenty five, you gotta go second and ten.
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Scrambling out of scrambled. He ran out of bounds four
yards behind a line of scrimmage. That's the sack. All
you had to do is just flip the ball past
the line of scrimmage. Those type of things. And then
on top of that, remember five sacks. Some of those
were gruesome, could have been really bad injuries. As a
coaching staff, I know that I want him on my roster,
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So what I can't afford to do is have him
get hurt. Huntley goes in with two minutes left behind
an offensive line that couldn't block forst your door. If
Huntley gets hurt, he guess what. Guess what happened? Twelve
days I mean twelve hours after Huntley played in that game.
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They know that this didn't just happen.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
They know this.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
The coaching what they couldn't afford to do is have
Shador go into the season with a real injury. Remember
he hurt the op league. You don't want to exacerbate it,
and you don't want to get something else because that's
going to slow down, right, your development. That's everybody else racist.
(17:25):
And they do setting him up and what are they
setting them up for? He's a fifth round quarterback. You
thought a fifth round quarterback was going to come in
unless he had the type of off season that Russell
Wilson had Matt Flynn, Right, unless he did that, which
he didn't. There's a lot to be worked on, But
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it's also your attitude. Having your own rap song come
in into the game, pouting and whining on the sideline
when you don't go in and play. Professionalism is a
real thing. It's a real thing. A lot to be
desired there. And I think he listen.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I think he, along with some other rookies, are arguled
you would and you would know have a rude awakening
of the speed of the game. What Dylan Gabriel had
his where he just said something he said before, but
how it's perceived because you're in quarterback and the NFL
is a different experience, and I think they're all learning
this as they go through this process right now.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
So all right, let's break it up.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Maybe we'll take one quick call before we get to
We got to Steve coming up in a little bit here.
What's trending eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox. I
just think your door absolutely has a little Kayleb Williams
in and that he's gonna have to work out were
bruh You, Yes, you've been good and great your whole life,
but everybody else has been good and great wherever they
came from as well. And you have to play the
position sometimes similar to another quarterback up in the Bay
(18:42):
that had something to talk about about that as well.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
We'll get that later on in the show. Steea couple
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Speaker 4 (18:47):
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Subscribe and review it as well. Appreciate it. I tell
you what too, man, people, this was if you if
you were I don't want to say anti, but if
you were maybe not a fan of the Sanders clan
right now, then you had a great weekend. Shiloh being released. Yeah,
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he don't have a job. He don't have a job.
I still don't know exactly where Shadoor is And is
he the third dring?
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Second? Is he backup? Is he cut? You know? So?
Speaker 5 (21:29):
And didn't and did not perform well, held the ball
too long, got sacked five times.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
So he didn't have a great performance whatsoever. We know
that he had a decent one according to him. By
the way, from if you if you were, if you were,
if you've not been rooted for them. This was definitely
your weekend. Uh Eve even got some texts from somebody
who normally would be here too, but even even I'm
sure he was here one he was thrilled. What I
was saying before we went to break is there's a
(21:58):
level of professional pessionalism that comes with being an athlete,
a pro athlete, and.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
You have to earn how you feel inside.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Like if you feel like I was a seventh round
draft pick, but I didn't feel like a seventh round
draft pick inside. I know something about going into training
camp fourth on the depth chart and ending up starting
opening day. I know the fight it takes to do
that right. And you have to be open and you
(22:32):
have to be honest with yourself right, like you don't
don't create this thing to where you feel outwardly bigger
than your reality. Meaning the coach didn't put you in
in a two minute drill because he didn't want you
to get hurt, because you almost got hurt in the
(22:54):
series that you played. Period two minutes and that's when
they thought it was run. Are passed two minutes. It's
just all passed. And oh, by the way, the guys
who were sacking him and twelve hours will be out
of work. About twenty two hundred players will be looking
for something else to do by tomorrow's cut deadline. A
(23:17):
large portion of those guys sacking him will be in
those twenty right. So they they're trying to make a
team too right, And so you have to understand that
and be one hundred percent okay with the decisions the
coachings at this level are making. It's now, you can't transfer,
can't go to another school. No one's gonna come save
(23:38):
you. You gotta save yourself. So I would just like him
to just focus on the game, right. I felt a
certain type of way at the first preseason game when
he came in with his own rap song playing and
entourage and all of that. This is preseason opening day.
That's what you got to get yourself going cool. Something
(24:00):
doesn't go right in the game, Do not sit on
the bench and sulk if you watch just that's what
I'm looking at. You can play good and bad. It
happens everybody. I've had terrible games, I've had good games.
It happens. How you handle yourself on the sideline when
those things don't go your way. Everyone's watching your teammates, owners, fans, everyone.
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You sitting on the bench, head in your hands, towel
on your face, arguing with someone. All of those things matter,
especially when you're trying to be the face of a
franchise at a quarterback position. Those are the problems I'm having.
I don't think. I think there's a perception that a
modified version of yourself is a complete change of yourself.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Meaning you're in a different environment. It's okay to switch
it up a bit. Be you, because that's the most
important thing in life for all of us, is it
be your authentic self. However, you can modify when you're
in a different situation. Right now, I'm the start of
the team. You can handle yourself certain w I've been
up in with certain ways.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
It's levels.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
There's levels to this, and that's one thing that I think, again,
he'll have to balance because you're not You're not as
talented as your dad.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
You're not Dad will allow you to do certain things.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Well, they'll kind of look the other way, like all right,
I wouldn't say that, but you see how good he is.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I wouldn't have did that. You see how good he is.
I wouldn't have been speeding but you see how good he.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Is, and there's an adaptation that has to occur.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
We can continue on that. There's so much to touch
on that.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
But also somebody finally got paid in the same division
as you do it. We'll get to that right now,
Steve Seger, go get your set on with trindin Hay Steve.
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Speaker 3 (25:43):
All right, Steve, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Odd couple kelvin Washington, E for Salam and for Rob
Parker who is enjoined some vac this week. A little
sunshine out there in Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Uh sink.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
He's getting there a little bit today, maybe tomorrow. And
by the way, ak knees stiff back joint's not cooperating
some days your body's just it's like noping on those days,
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you know it can't be looking like a drugs. Come
on on YouTube. I see you got it. Man, You
(26:15):
see I got the bag over here. I might have
a little something. You know what I'm saying, might have
a little for you. You know who got a little something something? Finally,
Trey Henderson, Oh, Trey Hendrickson finally got a little something
something with money in the bag. Fourteen million dollar rais
from the Bengals for this season for him, boosting his
this year's twenty twenty five salary to thirty million dollars.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
However, again it's just this one year. Set to be
a free agent after next year. We know he has
been waiting. He was a holdout that he came to practice.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Then he did something I didn't like it from He
came out and said, man, I feel bad.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I don't want to hold out. I want to be
a distraction to the team.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I don't want to I get that personally, meaning if
you with the wife, if you're at home sharing this
and talking about it. But you played in the NFL
for a long time and you know that you have
to get what you can get when you can get it.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
You get your money.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
You have to get your money. And I believe correct me.
If I'm wrong, if you earned it. If you earned it.
Seventeen and a half sacks last year all Pro I've
been coming off back to back to back seasons of
twelve plus sacks. You look like one of the best
defensive players. He is absolutely in your position.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
And you're watching all the guys around you get paid,
two of them in my division.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
I'm watching Miles Garrett get paid. I'm watching TJ. Watt
get paid, and I'm saying, what about me? Is what
I'm saying. And I'm looking at the Bengals and I'm wondering, Okay,
we're taking care of receivers. We've taken care of this quarterback.
Clearly we have to obviously, what about me? He took
a haircut in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
He only got an eight million dollar They gave him
a bonus there, which extended his four year to sixty million.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Point is how many bus cuts bug keep having?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
It looked like the old school jay z where you
can barely have any hairs, low, looking like Jadkiss. We
didn't even know Jadkins can grow hair. Now you gotta
full of hair. How many haircuts do I have to take?
You know, to continue to prove it? I could get
the first one. Maybe they want to see if I
can keep growing, if can be better? Was it of
was it a fluked This last couple of seasons, he
has been that guy for you, especially in the defense
(28:10):
that has been has been terrible, and he continues to
be an anchor at least giving you some hope.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
But they had again. Now I got to go through this,
And this is why you don't feel bad.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
This is why you don't publicly talk about it.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
I feel like I'm hurting the team, I maybe you know,
bringing down the morale and and I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Make this showing the young guys.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
No, you show the young guys that when you put
the work in, the time in and also get the results,
that you do fight for what you believe you deserve.
You do go for what you know what is yours
and you believe is yours. And if it doesn't work out,
it doesn't work out. If you got to move on,
you got to move on. But there's nothing wrong with
standing on business for yourself when you've been very productive
of the last three to four years. If not, now,
(28:51):
when when do I fight for myself? And so I
look at this as to me, you know you got
your money. You didn't get the long term deal like
the other guys got. Obviously they had to take care
of all the offensive players, and that might have been
ultimately will hurt you. But to me, the idea of
the overarching theme of well, I don't know, maybe I
feel bad holding out, and man, you have to do
what you have to do, because you know who's gonna
(29:11):
do what they have to do, any team, any organization,
And if cutting you is what they got to do,
they'll do it. If trading you is what they gotta do,
they'll do it. Releasing you, sitting you down, whatever it is,
they'll absolutely do that. We saw how the Broncos had
to Russell Wilson, I'll player, come on.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Fum here, just have a seat, you know, with Clarencester,
realize this is not personal, man, right. You gotta remember
the San Francisco forty nine ers didn't want Jerry Rice anymore,
the greatest receiver ever to play.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
By a mile.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
They didn't want him anymore. Joe Montana. They were like,
oh we got this other guy. You good, you can
go right. So when you get caught up in this thing,
you got relax. This is what four super Bowls, Joe
(30:06):
Montana four and oh Jerry Rice, the greatest receiver ever,
the grace the any field, anywhere. They were done with
the greats. So you feel this thing inside of you
like they hating on me. They're making business decisions. Your
(30:28):
behavior off the field can affect those business decisions for
you on the field. Sometimes it's just not about performance,
which it should be, but they're they're having conversations about
the totality of things, and as players, I was guilty
(30:50):
of it.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Sometimes you can't see that. You just feel.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
And hear what you hear, and like, I won't they
pay me? Well, Cincinnati has been historically cheap. They just
spent more money this offseason than twenty years and so
now you want them to spend more. It's hard to
(31:16):
make them do that. They don't not like you, they
don't have a problem with you, but sometimes other things
come into play, and that's one of these situations. So
like my dad told me, man, you can't control when
and how long you play. You can just control how
(31:38):
you play. Everything else work itself out, And that would
be my advice to any of these players should do.
We just mentioned Shiloh his brother. It's not on an
NFL roster now, he may sign somewhere on the practice squad,
but this is not college and the lead he doesn't care.
(32:03):
Let me ask you a question. Shadua was good in
college at Jackson State at Colorado. Did he win a
national championship?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Nope? Did he win a Heisman? Nope?
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Was he invited to the Heisman? Do you know of
a players currently in the league now? His name is
Stetson Bennett. What did Stetson Bennett do in college at
the University of Georgia. He bought out, he won, He
won two national championships the highest level. He is fighting
(32:36):
to be on a roster tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
For my life.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
This is the reality of it. No one cares what
you did in college. And I'm not saying they're the
same quarterback, but what I'm saying is the ultimate goal
in college is to win national championships. He's got two
bang bang. His football journey may be over with a doubt.
(33:05):
So you have to keep everything in context and understand.
Look everything I get now, I gotta earn They control
when I play and how long I play. I don't.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
If I did, I would start and I would be
there and play everywhere.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
You can't control that how you react to how they're
controlling it. They're also taking note of that as well.
And but I still that's why I still stand on
Trey Henderson. Don't feel bad for fighting with you, no trade, don't.
None of this is controllable, brother.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
You earned it.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
If they can work it out, they can't. If they can't,
you gotta move on and do that.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
But you absolutely have the right to ask for more
and demand more based off your play over the last
handful of years.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
That's only right, all right, play of the day on
the way. We gotta get to that.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
And also uh Otani show, Hey Otani doing something that
I thought was pretty cool for him.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
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Speaker 4 (33:58):
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Ray Shimmer had a little run. They had a little run,
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Speaker 6 (34:36):
He's having a heck of a run on the odd
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Speaker 7 (34:38):
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Speaker 6 (34:39):
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Speaker 3 (34:40):
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same We know you didn't notice that. I know I did.
We did.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
This is this is this is this is a spiritual
I was literally about to do that.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
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Speaker 8 (35:15):
The Dodgers with their fourth home run of this Sunday
afternoon in the forty fifth of the season for the
reigning MVP.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
It's now eight.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
To two, forty fifth home run for show. Hey, who
just continued to do amazing things. One of the few times.
Let me just get to this and I'll bring it
back to you.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Ephraim. That's his forty fifth right there.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
And it was also cool after that was him dapping
up an opposing fan of Padre Fanny kind of sitting
right there by the net. He goes up, DAPs up
because the guy been talking smack to him the whole time.
Is one of those Hey, you see me, I heard
the Hey, I'm gonna let you know if I heard
you heard you all game by the way, you see
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Speaker 4 (36:10):
Hey, I think Tiger Woods fits the bill, and I
know these are the greatest of the great So maybe
if there's a level down, I can find somebody. But
Lebron just people who came in with the Saint Peyton
manning insane amount of hype and you better be this
and what we're expectations and to at least live up
(36:32):
to it, and then in some cases I think Lebron
exceeded it. The argument that he legitimately could be the greatest.
The fact that we can even entertain that is crazy,
considering how many people we keep saying, is the next
Feeling to Blake, the next Lebron, the next Kobe, the next,
the next to the next, you know what I mean,
next Lebrons.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
We've had over last of it, Zion, oj Mayo, Andrew
Wiggin Andron, the next Jordan, No Lebron specifically, because they're
saying he's gonna be like that and he has to
let alone Jordan, jeredd Was, Jordan Was, Grant Hill, Harold
Minor h everybody, everybody the next even now I would
it's almost disrespectful what you said.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
But that's what party did I say with the next Lebron?
Speaker 5 (37:12):
I don't know, And no that they didn't because they
that's not the measuring stick, though I think it was
the current measurings at a certain point people, because you,
for instance, here comes the next Bill Russell.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Then it excuse me, faded to Kareem.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Then it phased the shock or did it face Like
I think Larry Bird was the NB all for a
long time.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Man he's the next then it phased to the next person.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
So I think did it fade from Jordan's not fading
that he's Jordan's Jordan and Jordan's Jordan.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
I'm not debating that. But the hype, it was the
hype and coming in. I remember Oj Mayo, they were
saying he could be the next Lebron And I think
maybe the comparison is the noise you're hearing from high school.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
We didn't hear noise.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
It was a different era from Lebron or MJ coming
out of high school like that. So I think it
was more so the the grumbling, like we were watching
Zion mixtapes when he was like eight, So I think
it was more so that and Andrew Wiggans same thing,
high school mixtapes, and.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Well we're in We're in a different era now. Now
we have like real footage, tangible proof.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
These kids are put eleven eleven, twelve years old with
mixed tapes and Instagram pages, Like my nephew got a
Instagram page just popping right. You want the top eleven
year olds in the country. So that's just great. By
top eleven year old is great, that's just you know.
To Robzie, were you a top nine year old and anything?
Top eleven year old and anything?
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Mary I was? It was a question.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
There are no assumptions she was the top feeling the
blank top of your eleven year old?
Speaker 3 (38:35):
What anything? Everything here?
Speaker 5 (38:38):
You gotic catic cat cap almost got your mic off.
You don't even control your exactly collected eleven year old.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Other thing me?
Speaker 5 (38:51):
The mine would have been for sure. Charmer, absolutely top
top ten created a whole category, the whole thing just charm,
not the whole thing to be in the top ten
of charming?
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Teacher, Why is your homework, miss Williams hearing me? Obviously?
Oh my gosh, call and stop it.
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yes, it's right into It is The Odd Couple. Kilvin Washington,
my guy Ethan Salamo is in for Rob Parker. Rob,
I think it is.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
He from intown but not in town, but intown but
not in town, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Thing.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
He's here, but he getting ready to go back on
the next leg of his truck. And UH talk to
him yesterday, So checked in with Rob. He's doing good,
he's enjoying himself. He's been all he was in Detroit
and he's back here but he's getting ready to Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Did you tell him I was filling in? Was he
come up?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Which you know, it's funny in all full transparency, he
just texs, Hey, you got a sect? Can I call you?
Or something like that, And I was like, I wonder
if it's about that?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Man? Hey, many been sounding like you're having a little
too much fun and uh, hey, you know, you know
I just was wondering.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
But no, it wasn't about it. It wasn't about that.
But no, he's doing what great. So we'll hear from
him as this trip goes on. We'll keep you updated.
But we got Epherman for today and tomorrow as well,
looking forward to the show a lot in story. We
got a couple of guests getting ready to join us
as well, because there's a whole bunch of football topics
to get to as we gear up and gear up
(01:37):
and get closer to the season.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Starting.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
One thing I want to I'm gonna throw this out
here in a second because I need some help with this.
You to listen, I need your help with this, all right?
Coming up the next hour, we have Marcellus Wiley's gonna
join us at yeah, eight thirty if you're on the
East coast, five thirty on the West coast. Top of
the hour, we'll have Jason Lloyd, he's a columnist for
The Athletic uh, the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show, going to
join us as well. We'll talk about well we're getting
ready to talk about now, but in more depth with
(02:02):
him getting the person who's in Cleveland's perspective as well.
Then I gotta also do one a little segment. I've
done it a couple of times. Ain't nobody got time
for that? Remember the infor missed little clip? Anybody got
time for that? Well, on my way here, ain't nobody
got time for something I saw? So we'll do that
at the end of the next hour as well. So
a whole lot to get you throughout this show. Let's
(02:22):
welcome in the Eye couple crew, because we couldn't do
the show without them.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
We've got rob G. The Goat.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Is back in his seat because I had to smoke
him over here. He was sitting where you are last
week on Friday. Oh, he was filing in feeling in
rob G speaking of feeling, he been feeling himself.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
You let him, Yeah, like a real part of the show.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
It is about this four or fifth time he's been
getting a little carried away. Oh so that's why I
can't get no dates.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
Everybody got choice.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Making sense now? Yeah? All right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Cool?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Cool?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
And we got of course we got on the ones
and twos, Miss Mary, Mary.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Be Mary, why your bug?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
And Miss Mary on the ones that truth throughout the
show Steven Sager is gonna get you. What's trending was
updated and again my fellow co anchor for the day
Calls of the Day is sal.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Shoot from Salaams.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Weekend was good. Super Bowl baby, that was a super Bowl.
Just so you know, it was a super Bowl. That
was dope.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
No, the weekend was great. Man.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
It's always good when you can just go and be
with the kids. Uh and and just hang out.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Man.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
I look, I'm really busy during the week so just
decompressing with the family on the weekend is a big
deal for me.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I love it. I love working as well. And the
perfect hybrid.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Yeah, you gotta I want to be with y'all, but
daddy gotta work because all y'all like the Universal. Yeah,
Universal money didn't come from the Disney that's the new one.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Now.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
No, they they went to Disneyland Saturday after we had
a Universal for we had Yes. Oh, they go to
Disneyland all the time. Oh y'all doing I would say
last year and I'm talking school year like, so from
September to September, I think my wife and my boys
have gone to Disneyland maybe fifty times. Wait, I'm waiting
(04:21):
for the punchline. Serious, Yes, I'm serious. I've gone twice,
they've gone fifty.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Five zero.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
We were in Anaheim for a tournament. Like I'm pretty
much live in Anaheim. They're in Steel Beach in Garden Grove,
and my son had two games, one at two and
one at four. So my wife was like, look, we're
down there. I'll drive separate after the game, you can
come home. You can come home, and then I'll take
(04:50):
the boys to Disneyland. So it's just like going to
in and out for y'all. Look like it's just Hey,
it's around the corner. Let's just go to Disneyland. She'll
pick them up from school. Tuesday's early.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, let out. Yeah yeah yeah, she put him up
from school and go to Disn'tland.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Okay, yeah, Robgy officially, don't ever tell me I live
a different life. Okay, I appreciate that. Please put all
of that on EVEM.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Salo. Please do you know why? You know? Why don't
you everybody got choices?
Speaker 6 (05:16):
Is it because you tried hard in high school?
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Hey man, all right, Maxim ever, I'm not listening to
it again. All right, man, we got a great show
lined up. Let's get this thing started. So of course,
all the conversation coming out of the weekend like it
has been, has been with the Cleveland Browns, and this
time it has been a couple of different ways. You
got Dylan Gabriel and then you have, of course, are
(05:39):
you have Joe Flacco nine to ten get a touchdown
seventy something yards for him?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Looks good.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
But eventually the big conversation coming out of it, of
course is Shadure Sanders and how he looked where he
did not look great, getting sacked five times of completed
three passes and just looked out of sorts, as did
the former position you played. By the way, the offensive
line as well. I mean, I don't even know who
was out there at that point. I don't know if
it was D Is there a D such thing as
(06:04):
a D six offensive line and D two, D three
it was D six because I don't know they had
him running around out there. Now he was holding the
ball longer than you would want to as well. Uh
so you don't like that, But what were're saying, no, no,
go go. So the larger conversation comes out of that
to me, Ephraim and even Steve Sefanski we had that.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Let me hear me, Kevin. I'm sorry, Kevin Stefanski. This
is what he had. This has been the conversation his brother. Yeah,
let me get to Kevin.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Everybody had this conversation, and it's been a topic on shows,
including ours. Are they sabotaging? How are they using them?
Why didn't they use him for this two minute drill?
And does he hear all of this chatter? Here's what
he had to say.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
Obviously, I don't concern myself with outside type of things,
but you know, I'm committed to his development, just like
all of our rookies. So we'll continue to focus on
getting our guys better, and that's what We'll stay committed
to him.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
That's what's important to me.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
So for me, this comes down to something that I
look at it this way. Are they sabotaging Shaudure? Is
there a game plan out to keep him under their thumb?
And I don't think that is the goal. I don't
think they purposely set out to sabotage Shaudure. But what
I do think is they have no idea what they're doing,
(07:18):
and they haven't had an idea what they're doing for
thirty the forty years, and I mean that sincerely, respectively, respectfully, like,
look at the quarterback situations they've had nearly forty quarterbacks
and over the last twenty five years, and you look
at the decisions that they've made. Of course we go back.
Let's just go back to the Deshaun Watson one. And
(07:39):
I think Shadure is paying for the Deshaun Watson move,
meaning we went all in, we made a controversial move,
We gave this guy un president guaranteed money, and it backfired.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
He didn't play well.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
He was also injured, and there was also a controversy
that came with it, and you know, and you took
the ire of society with some people saying what about
the women involved in this? They got all of that
compounded with him now being injured and being out, And
I think Shadeur is paying for a bit of that
of we can't have any mishaps, we can't have any mistakes,
and we don't want also the controversy and always having
(08:13):
to endure these conversations.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
And I think Shadeur is a recipient of parts of that.
But they continue historically to make bad moves, the Browns,
and I look at this as they don't know what
they're doing with the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
So now what you do is you bring in a
guy who's forty.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
There have been fifteen quarterbacks in the history of the NFL,
which have been hundreds to potentially thousands of quarterbacks over
the years, over one hundred years of NFL, only fifteen
have been forty and started over ten games, about four
of that success. And you're looking at those because they're
Hall of famers. You got Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees,
(08:50):
and of course Tom Brady, Joe Flacco ain't that And
so I understand he brings some stability.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I understand he knows the system. I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
But to me, it's the same conversation that Rob g
Rob Parker and I had when I'm looking at the Steelers,
and you keep bringing in guys for right now, right now,
when they're not your future, and at some point you
have to turn a page and start you progressing towards
your future.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
And you know this.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
There will be growing pains as you go towards your future.
There will be mistakes as you go towards your future,
but you have to do it. And to me, keep
trying to find a mandate, keep trying to put it here. Okay,
we had Joe Flako made the postseas, Okay, we let
him go. Wait, go get him back. Wait, nobody wants
Canny Pikett, but go get him now. It just shows
and reflects to me, including the shau Dur and including
the Dylan Gabriel, because Dylan Gabriel has been fine ball accounts.
(09:37):
He's been fine in the locker room, he's been fine
on the practice field, he's been fine in the games,
and he's not even really getting the topic of conversation
when it should be. To me, we have these two
rookies that we're trying to figure out what we're doing
and maybe can he pick it? Okay, fine, and we're
trying to move forward with this who's gonna start, who's
gonna be back up? And you're moving towards your future,
and to me, they come out looking more disenfranchised, more
(09:59):
clueless to run this organization in that position and putting
guys in positions where they don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
The team doesn't know what they're doing. Shaudor think is
he getting two minute drive? Because why wouldn't He's into
the game. Go ahead and go try to win this game.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Kid.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
They don't give it to him. They're throwing somebody Huntley
who has nothing to do with nothing. What was the
point of that? And so I just don't get. I
haven't got what they were doing in the beginning. I
believe Shadoor Sander should absolutely be a part of this
roster and absolutely be a part of their moving forward.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Even if Dylan Gabriel was a starter, Shador should be
there as well. And I walk away from this even
more confused about the Brons organization, the way they drafted,
the way they gave Deshaun Watson money, and what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
That was well put.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
And let me tell you, Okay, break it down what
I believe is going on. All Right, so you bring
it in Joe Flacco because you don't have a clear
cut player that you want at number one. You're not
really mesmerized by any of the young players in this draft, right,
(11:00):
you punt on drafting the first second round quarterback and
opt for more of a developmental rookie quarterback, which you're
getting the later rounds.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Third on.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Do you know there's about six or seven kids next
year will be first round quarterback talents. You understand that
you don't expect Joe Flacco to play all seventeen games.
You don't expect Joe Flacco to win the division for
you or anything like that. But you do expect Joe
Flacco to help other young players, other young position players, receivers,
(11:33):
tight ends, running backs develop because he's not developing when
everybody's developing together. That's a difficult task. So you want
to build your other assets up for when you do
go into the market. I believe they have two first
round draft picks next year. When you do go into
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the market, and you find the kid that you'll be
watching all college that you'll want to in the first
round draft pick on with that said, you take Dylan
Gabriel in the third round. You know, Dylan's been in
college a long time, played a lot of quarterback, and
there's some talent there. You get told by ownership, Hey,
(12:15):
in the fifth round. Well, when the fifth round came around,
Shadul was still on the board. You got to take
your duer said, so they take him. You wouldn't normally
draft two quarterbacks in the same draft. It never works
out well, but the mandate was sent down. They did
what they were supposed to do. Now, Joe Flacoh didn't
play until the last preseason game because you know what
(12:36):
Joe Flaco is. Wanted to get him out there, knock
some of the real rust off of him.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Uh, and you.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Wanted to see what the other two young quarterbacks you
drafted had. You also went out and got Kenny Pickett
in a trade trade. Yeah, just to be sure. You know,
you don't have a quarterback. And so Dylan Gabriel got hurt.
(13:02):
Can he Picktt got hurt? And so you had Joe
flaccoh you had shadour first game, Shader starts plays, you
sign hunting Lee to back up because no one else
is left. He was never a cog in the world,
was never gonna make it. And so Chador goes out
there and plays well. That was a great first outing
(13:24):
in preseason. The next game, Dylan Gabriel had an opportunity,
even with a bad hamstring, he went out there and played. Okay,
she had a little bit better numbers. Uh, he had
more drives. But Dylan Gabriel did okay. Oblique injury, wow, Okay,
(13:44):
can he get back from that?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
He does?
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Final preseason game, you finally let Joe Flacco go out there,
Dylan Gabriel, who's a third round draft pick, plays with
the twos, and then you have chadur coming in with
you know, everyone else trying to make the team. Now,
the problem I'm having is if you're a fifth round
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draft pick, there are very few team captains and leaders
in the locker room in the fifth round, very few
in the third round. So until you reach that status,
you can't come in at that status. There's so much
work to be done to be respected and seeing in
(14:33):
that locker room. And this is look off season stuff,
off the field stuff, the speeding tickets. It is what
it is. But you also have to realize you're a
late round draft pick. No matter what you believe in
your mind, the numbers are the numbers. You are in
the fifth round draft pick. Their fifth round draft picks
will been cut for less, all right. So now you
(14:56):
get into the game, it doesn't go well for you.
Some of the the same negatives that people had about you,
even your fans had about you in college, are manifesting themselves.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
You hold on to the ball too long.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
There is no extending plays like that unless you have
Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and Kyler Murray level of athleticism.
He does not. Shudiel Sanders isn't that black quarterback? Okay,
Just so I'm just gonna be real, right right, So
we I saw as an offensive lineman, I saw some
(15:33):
really bad sacks. Step up into the pocket. The moment
you turn your shoulders the opposite direction, you're in trouble.
Unless you're who Lamar Jackson. You're not him. You have
to know who you are, and no three step drop.
The ball must come out or you got to get
rid of it. There is no other read. So there
(15:54):
are some technical things that I saw him unable to
really do. And I don't know if it was the
injury or whatever. I know he wanted to make a play.
But if there's no play there to be made, then
you gotta get out of it. Instead of third or
in second and twenty five, you gotta go second and ten.
(16:15):
Scrambling out of scrambled. He ran out of bounds four
yards behind a line of scrimmage. That's the sack. All
you had to do is just flip the ball past
the line of scrimmage. Those type of things. And then
on top of that, remember five sacks. Some of those
were gruesome, could have been really bad injuries. As a
coaching staff, I know that I want him on my roster,
(16:39):
So what I can't afford to do is have him
get hurt. Huntley goes in with two minutes left behind
an offensive line that couldn't block forst your door. If
Huntley gets hurt, he guess what. Guess what happened? Twelve
days I mean twelve hours after Huntley played in that game.
(17:00):
They know that this didn't just happen.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
They know this.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
The coaching what they couldn't afford to do is have
Shador go into the season with a real injury. Remember
he hurt the op league. You don't want to exacerbate it,
and you don't want to get something else because that's
going to slow down, right, your development. That's everybody else racist.
(17:25):
And they do setting him up and what are they
setting them up for? He's a fifth round quarterback. You
thought a fifth round quarterback was going to come in
unless he had the type of off season that Russell
Wilson had Matt Flynn, Right, unless he did that, which
he didn't. There's a lot to be worked on, But
(17:48):
it's also your attitude. Having your own rap song come
in into the game, pouting and whining on the sideline
when you don't go in and play. Professionalism is a
real thing. It's a real thing. A lot to be
desired there. And I think he listen.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I think he, along with some other rookies, are arguled
you would and you would know have a rude awakening
of the speed of the game. What Dylan Gabriel had
his where he just said something he said before, but
how it's perceived because you're in quarterback and the NFL
is a different experience, and I think they're all learning
this as they go through this process right now.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
So all right, let's break it up.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Maybe we'll take one quick call before we get to
We got to Steve coming up in a little bit here.
What's trending eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox. I
just think your door absolutely has a little Kayleb Williams
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bruh You, Yes, you've been good and great your whole life,
but everybody else has been good and great wherever they
came from as well. And you have to play the
position sometimes similar to another quarterback up in the Bay
(18:42):
that had something to talk about about that as well.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
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Subscribe and review it as well. Appreciate it. I tell
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you were I don't want to say anti, but if
you were maybe not a fan of the Sanders clan
right now, then you had a great weekend. Shiloh being released. Yeah,
(21:21):
he don't have a job. He don't have a job.
I still don't know exactly where Shadoor is And is
he the third dring?
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Second? Is he backup? Is he cut? You know? So?
Speaker 5 (21:29):
And didn't and did not perform well, held the ball
too long, got sacked five times.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
So he didn't have a great performance whatsoever. We know
that he had a decent one according to him. By
the way, from if you if you were, if you were,
if you've not been rooted for them. This was definitely
your weekend. Uh Eve even got some texts from somebody
who normally would be here too, but even even I'm
sure he was here one he was thrilled. What I
was saying before we went to break is there's a
(21:58):
level of professional pessionalism that comes with being an athlete,
a pro athlete, and.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
You have to earn how you feel inside.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Like if you feel like I was a seventh round
draft pick, but I didn't feel like a seventh round
draft pick inside. I know something about going into training
camp fourth on the depth chart and ending up starting
opening day. I know the fight it takes to do
that right. And you have to be open and you
(22:32):
have to be honest with yourself right, like you don't
don't create this thing to where you feel outwardly bigger
than your reality. Meaning the coach didn't put you in
in a two minute drill because he didn't want you
to get hurt, because you almost got hurt in the
(22:54):
series that you played. Period two minutes and that's when
they thought it was run. Are passed two minutes. It's
just all passed. And oh, by the way, the guys
who were sacking him and twelve hours will be out
of work. About twenty two hundred players will be looking
for something else to do by tomorrow's cut deadline. A
(23:17):
large portion of those guys sacking him will be in
those twenty right. So they they're trying to make a
team too right, And so you have to understand that
and be one hundred percent okay with the decisions the
coachings at this level are making. It's now, you can't transfer,
can't go to another school. No one's gonna come save
(23:38):
you. You gotta save yourself. So I would just like him
to just focus on the game, right. I felt a
certain type of way at the first preseason game when
he came in with his own rap song playing and
entourage and all of that. This is preseason opening day.
That's what you got to get yourself going cool. Something
(24:00):
doesn't go right in the game, Do not sit on
the bench and sulk if you watch just that's what
I'm looking at. You can play good and bad. It
happens everybody. I've had terrible games, I've had good games.
It happens. How you handle yourself on the sideline when
those things don't go your way. Everyone's watching your teammates, owners, fans, everyone.
(24:21):
You sitting on the bench, head in your hands, towel
on your face, arguing with someone. All of those things matter,
especially when you're trying to be the face of a
franchise at a quarterback position. Those are the problems I'm having.
I don't think. I think there's a perception that a
modified version of yourself is a complete change of yourself.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Meaning you're in a different environment. It's okay to switch
it up a bit. Be you, because that's the most
important thing in life for all of us, is it
be your authentic self. However, you can modify when you're
in a different situation. Right now, I'm the start of
the team. You can handle yourself certain w I've been
up in with certain ways.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
It's levels.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
There's levels to this, and that's one thing that I think, again,
he'll have to balance because you're not You're not as
talented as your dad.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
You're not Dad will allow you to do certain things.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Well, they'll kind of look the other way, like all right,
I wouldn't say that, but you see how good he is.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I wouldn't have did that. You see how good he is.
I wouldn't have been speeding but you see how good he.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Is, and there's an adaptation that has to occur.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
We can continue on that. There's so much to touch
on that.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
But also somebody finally got paid in the same division
as you do it. We'll get to that right now,
Steve Seger, go get your set on with trindin Hay Steve.
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Speaker 3 (25:43):
All right, Steve, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
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(26:15):
see I got the bag over here. I might have
a little something. You know what I'm saying, might have
a little for you. You know who got a little something something? Finally,
Trey Henderson, Oh, Trey Hendrickson finally got a little something
something with money in the bag. Fourteen million dollar rais
from the Bengals for this season for him, boosting his
this year's twenty twenty five salary to thirty million dollars.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
However, again it's just this one year. Set to be
a free agent after next year. We know he has
been waiting. He was a holdout that he came to practice.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Then he did something I didn't like it from He
came out and said, man, I feel bad.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I don't want to hold out. I want to be
a distraction to the team.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I don't want to I get that personally, meaning if
you with the wife, if you're at home sharing this
and talking about it. But you played in the NFL
for a long time and you know that you have
to get what you can get when you can get it.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
You get your money.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
You have to get your money. And I believe correct me.
If I'm wrong, if you earned it. If you earned it.
Seventeen and a half sacks last year all Pro I've
been coming off back to back to back seasons of
twelve plus sacks. You look like one of the best
defensive players. He is absolutely in your position.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
And you're watching all the guys around you get paid,
two of them in my division.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
I'm watching Miles Garrett get paid. I'm watching TJ. Watt
get paid, and I'm saying, what about me? Is what
I'm saying. And I'm looking at the Bengals and I'm wondering, Okay,
we're taking care of receivers. We've taken care of this quarterback.
Clearly we have to obviously, what about me? He took
a haircut in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
He only got an eight million dollar They gave him
a bonus there, which extended his four year to sixty million.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Point is how many bus cuts bug keep having?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
It looked like the old school jay z where you
can barely have any hairs, low, looking like Jadkiss. We
didn't even know Jadkins can grow hair. Now you gotta
full of hair. How many haircuts do I have to take?
You know, to continue to prove it? I could get
the first one. Maybe they want to see if I
can keep growing, if can be better? Was it of
was it a fluked This last couple of seasons, he
has been that guy for you, especially in the defense
(28:10):
that has been has been terrible, and he continues to
be an anchor at least giving you some hope.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
But they had again. Now I got to go through this,
And this is why you don't feel bad.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
This is why you don't publicly talk about it.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
I feel like I'm hurting the team, I maybe you know,
bringing down the morale and and I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Make this showing the young guys.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
No, you show the young guys that when you put
the work in, the time in and also get the results,
that you do fight for what you believe you deserve.
You do go for what you know what is yours
and you believe is yours. And if it doesn't work out,
it doesn't work out. If you got to move on,
you got to move on. But there's nothing wrong with
standing on business for yourself when you've been very productive
of the last three to four years. If not, now,
(28:51):
when when do I fight for myself? And so I
look at this as to me, you know you got
your money. You didn't get the long term deal like
the other guys got. Obviously they had to take care
of all the offensive players, and that might have been
ultimately will hurt you. But to me, the idea of
the overarching theme of well, I don't know, maybe I
feel bad holding out, and man, you have to do
what you have to do, because you know who's gonna
(29:11):
do what they have to do, any team, any organization,
And if cutting you is what they got to do,
they'll do it. If trading you is what they gotta do,
they'll do it. Releasing you, sitting you down, whatever it is,
they'll absolutely do that. We saw how the Broncos had
to Russell Wilson, I'll player, come on.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Fum here, just have a seat, you know, with Clarencester,
realize this is not personal, man, right. You gotta remember
the San Francisco forty nine ers didn't want Jerry Rice anymore,
the greatest receiver ever to play.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
By a mile.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
They didn't want him anymore. Joe Montana. They were like,
oh we got this other guy. You good, you can
go right. So when you get caught up in this thing,
you got relax. This is what four super Bowls, Joe
(30:06):
Montana four and oh Jerry Rice, the greatest receiver ever,
the grace the any field, anywhere. They were done with
the greats. So you feel this thing inside of you
like they hating on me. They're making business decisions. Your
(30:28):
behavior off the field can affect those business decisions for
you on the field. Sometimes it's just not about performance,
which it should be, but they're they're having conversations about
the totality of things, and as players, I was guilty
(30:50):
of it.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Sometimes you can't see that. You just feel.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
And hear what you hear, and like, I won't they
pay me? Well, Cincinnati has been historically cheap. They just
spent more money this offseason than twenty years and so
now you want them to spend more. It's hard to
(31:16):
make them do that. They don't not like you, they
don't have a problem with you, but sometimes other things
come into play, and that's one of these situations. So
like my dad told me, man, you can't control when
and how long you play. You can just control how
(31:38):
you play. Everything else work itself out, And that would
be my advice to any of these players should do.
We just mentioned Shiloh his brother. It's not on an
NFL roster now, he may sign somewhere on the practice squad,
but this is not college and the lead he doesn't care.
(32:03):
Let me ask you a question. Shadua was good in
college at Jackson State at Colorado. Did he win a
national championship?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Nope? Did he win a Heisman? Nope?
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Was he invited to the Heisman? Do you know of
a players currently in the league now? His name is
Stetson Bennett. What did Stetson Bennett do in college at
the University of Georgia. He bought out, he won, He
won two national championships the highest level. He is fighting
(32:36):
to be on a roster tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
For my life.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
This is the reality of it. No one cares what
you did in college. And I'm not saying they're the
same quarterback, but what I'm saying is the ultimate goal
in college is to win national championships. He's got two
bang bang. His football journey may be over with a doubt.
(33:05):
So you have to keep everything in context and understand.
Look everything I get now, I gotta earn They control
when I play and how long I play. I don't.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
If I did, I would start and I would be
there and play everywhere.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
You can't control that how you react to how they're
controlling it. They're also taking note of that as well.
And but I still that's why I still stand on
Trey Henderson. Don't feel bad for fighting with you, no trade, don't.
None of this is controllable, brother.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
You earned it.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
If they can work it out, they can't. If they can't,
you gotta move on and do that.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
But you absolutely have the right to ask for more
and demand more based off your play over the last
handful of years.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
That's only right, all right, play of the day on
the way. We gotta get to that.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
And also uh Otani show, Hey Otani doing something that
I thought was pretty cool for him.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
It is the Accouple Kelvin Washington.
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Ray Shimmer had a little run. They had a little run,
little little one, that nice little run.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
He's having a heck of a run on the odd
couple right now.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
Now.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
I know y'all ain't paying attention.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Oh, I know, it's back to best. She played the
same We know you didn't notice that. I know I did.
We did.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
This is this is this is this is a spiritual
I was literally about to do that.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
Yeah, because everybody got choices, and the choice was I
just really liked the song. I will play it twice.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
That's what it is on Miss Mary Mack, Miss ma
Ry Max shimshis got the clips. She getting ready to
empty the clip over here, all right, the sign now
for your tire reck Player of the Day, Rob G.
Hayden on race shimmr.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Hitch coming Old Tonny.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
It's a rocket's a right.
Speaker 9 (35:11):
Field way back there and a way goun.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
The Dodgers with their fourth home run of this Sunday
afternoon in the forty fifth of the season for the
reigning MVP.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
It's now eight.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
To two, forty fifth home run for show. Hey, who
just continued to do amazing things. One of the few times.
Let me just get to this and I'll bring it
back to you.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Ephraim. That's his forty fifth right there.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
And it was also cool after that was him dapping
up an opposing fan of Padre Fanny kind of sitting
right there by the net. He goes up, DAPs up
because the guy been talking smack to him the whole time.
Is one of those Hey, you see me, I heard
the Hey, I'm gonna let you know if I heard
you heard you all game by the way, you see
what I do.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
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Speaker 5 (36:06):
The way tire bids should be. Even one thing I
like about show.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Hey, I think Tiger Woods fits the bill, and I
know these are the greatest of the great So maybe
if there's a level down, I can find somebody. But
Lebron just people who came in with the Saint Peyton
manning insane amount of hype and you better be this
and what we're expectations and to at least live up
(36:32):
to it, and then in some cases I think Lebron
exceeded it. The argument that he legitimately could be the greatest.
The fact that we can even entertain that is crazy,
considering how many people we keep saying, is the next
Feeling to Blake, the next Lebron, the next Kobe, the next,
the next to the next, you know what I mean,
next Lebrons.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
We've had over last of it, Zion, oj Mayo, Andrew
Wiggin Andron, the next Jordan, No Lebron specifically, because they're
saying he's gonna be like that and he has to
let alone Jordan, jeredd Was, Jordan Was, Grant Hill, Harold
Minor h everybody, everybody the next even now I would
it's almost disrespectful what you said.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
But that's what party did I say with the next Lebron?
Speaker 5 (37:12):
I don't know, And no that they didn't because they
that's not the measuring stick, though I think it was
the current measurings at a certain point people, because you,
for instance, here comes the next Bill Russell.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Then it excuse me, faded to Kareem.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Then it phased the shock or did it face Like
I think Larry Bird was the NB all for a
long time.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Man he's the next then it phased to the next person.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
So I think did it fade from Jordan's not fading
that he's Jordan's Jordan and Jordan's Jordan.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
I'm not debating that. But the hype, it was the
hype and coming in. I remember Oj Mayo, they were
saying he could be the next Lebron And I think
maybe the comparison is the noise you're hearing from high school.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
We didn't hear noise.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
It was a different era from Lebron or MJ coming
out of high school like that. So I think it
was more so the the grumbling, like we were watching
Zion mixtapes when he was like eight, So I think
it was more so that and Andrew Wiggans same thing,
high school mixtapes, and.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Well we're in We're in a different era now. Now
we have like real footage, tangible proof.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
These kids are put eleven eleven, twelve years old with
mixed tapes and Instagram pages, Like my nephew got a
Instagram page just popping right. You want the top eleven
year olds in the country. So that's just great. By
top eleven year old is great, that's just you know.
To Robzie, were you a top nine year old and anything?
Top eleven year old and anything?
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Mary I was? It was a question.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
There are no assumptions she was the top feeling the
blank top of your eleven year old?
Speaker 3 (38:35):
What anything? Everything here?
Speaker 5 (38:38):
You gotic catic cat cap almost got your mic off.
You don't even control your exactly collected eleven year old.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Other thing me?
Speaker 5 (38:51):
The mine would have been for sure. Charmer, absolutely top
top ten created a whole category, the whole thing just charm,
not the whole thing to be in the top ten
of charming?
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Teacher, Why is your homework, miss Williams hearing me? Obviously?
Oh my gosh, call and stop it.
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