August 1, 2024 • 39 mins
Former NFL quarterback Shaun King is in for Rob, and he and Chris tell us if we should expect Caleb Williams to live up to the hype in his first season in Chicago, explain why this upcoming season is such a a big one for Brock Purdy in San Francisco and which other athletes can join Simone Biles as the undisputed GOAT of their sport. Plus, 670 The Score Chicago radio host Danny Parkins swings by to discuss his expectations for Williams this season, whether or not Williams can have a CJ Stroud-type impact as a rookie, the Bears’ history of underwhelming quarterback play and much more!
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better than anybody, as well as anybody. The start it
kind of I mean, kind of the official start. We know,
of course it's just an exhibition game, but it's kind
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of the announcement that.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Football is back.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
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Football is king in Ohio.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
And tonight the Houston Texans will face the Chicago Bears.
Of course, you know won't be many starters, if any
starters out there, don't be looking for CJ. Stroud, don't
be looking for Caleb Williams, the number one pick in
the draft, who's now the quarterback of the Bears. But
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you know, it gets it started. And so I do
want to start talking about Caleb Williams, and there is
a ton of hype. Sean, I'm gonna set this up
and then let you cook. There is a ton of
hype about Caleb Williams. I have heard people predict that
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the Chicago Bears could get to the Super Bowl. I
have heard people say, and this one is pretty accurate,
that they can't. No number one pick at quarterback has
ever been set up this well with this type of team.
You got some real weapons and dangerous players. DeAndre Swift,
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they picked up DJ Moore, They just signed Keenan Allen, like,
they got some weapons up there in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Defense came on late last year and so the hype.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Machine is in full effect for Caleb Williams to the
point where people expect him to come in running like
take you know, come right in and.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Pick off up where he left off at USC.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
And that the Bears, who I might add this, Sean,
in the best division in the NFC with Green Bay
and Detroit and and even Minnesota, you know, could be
a little bit dangerous. So there's my question to you, Sean,
do you think Caleb Williams this year? I think I
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think he would be a really good quarterback down the line,
But this year do you think he can live up
to the hype.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Not the public's expectations, not the public's hype. Are you
mentioned and the things that the Bears have added and
you mentioned the improvements of the Green Bay Packers and
the Detroit Lions. You didn't say them specifically, but you
talked about that conference and the difficulty. But really, Chris,
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the public is comparing him and the Bears to the
Houston Texans who were three thirteen and one last year
and CJ. Stroud was drafted number two in the draft
and led them to way I think it was ten
and seven record and a first round playoff win, a
division title. He threw with a twenty I think three
touchdowns and five picks.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
So that's what you say for a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yeah, absolutely, but he didn't have any expectations. That kind
of surprised everyone. The Bears, I think, are in a
better position. They were seven and ten last year with
justin fields. As you mentioned, all the improvements they made.
If you look at historically, Lincoln Riley quarterbacks have done well.
Initially in the National Football League. Kyler Murray I think
was a twenty touchdown, twelve pick god. I think Baker
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Mayfield was a twenty seven touchdown. I think like fourteen
pick guys. So they've had success, but neither one of
those guys had expectations like this. So I'm gonna say no,
I'm not gonna say he doesn't have a good rookie year,
but I don't think him and the Bears live up
to the expectations because I think they're thinking when the
North you know, make it, you know, to the second
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third round of the playoffs. I'm just not sure that
jump happens this year.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Well, and like you said, added on top of what
I said, with.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Some people thinking they's a Super Bowl, people looking at
their weapons and how good they think they can be also.
Add on top of that, and you mentioned him CJ Stroud,
like what he did last year, I do think people
are looking at it like, well, the CJ can come
in and do it, and let's keep it real.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
CJ did it on.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
A team that was supposed to be bad, had a
rookie head coach. None of his skilled position players have
ever made a Pro Bowl, and he turned them around
into point got him a playoff win, not only into
the playoffs, but an actual victory.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
But CJ. Stroud is the exception.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Most rookie quarterbacks, they might play okay, or they might struggle.
And I don't mean that doesn't mean they're not gonna
be good, but they might come in and you know
they don't like the league on fire. He's really the
only one. Andrew Luck played well. And Luck was in
a pretty good situation too. I know, remember Indianapolis had
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been bad the year they drafted him, but that was
kind of Peyton had left, you know, was gone, and
you know they just were lost without Peyton Manny. But
they had some pretty good players elsewhere and they won
eleven games and lux rookie year. But I'm with you,
there are some out there. I've heard say that Jalen
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Daniels in Washington, they they think, you know, late in
the season, it's kind of they think it'll be a CJ.
Not that Caleb will be as bad as Rice Young
was last year, but they think it'll be a similar
situation in that people are saying the number two guy
is better or at least having a better season than
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the number one guy.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Where are you at on that?
Speaker 7 (08:14):
Well?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I had Jayan Daniels ranked as a number one quarterback
in this group and it wasn't close. I think Jayden's
better than Caleb in every factor that you quantify at
playing quarterback. The thing that worries you about Washington they
still have not fixed that offensive line.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
They have good skilled position guys.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
I think they added Austin Eckler at run to that backfield,
but Terry McLaurin and that group are talented. But that
offensive line was the reason Sam Howell struggled mightily last year.
I think they led the league in sacks if I'm
not mistaken. So I love Cliff Kingsbury as a OC.
I think Dan Quinn and those guys will do a
good job. I love Jayden Daniels as a talent. I
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just don't fully trust the Washington offensive line.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
Other than that, I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
And I'm not necessarily there. I'm just saying I've heard
people say that. But why do you like Jaden better
than Caleb?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Well, because he's proven more consistently that he can play
elite quarterback within the confines of the scheme. And so
when you talk about Caleb and the mastery that we
saw at USC, a lot of it was ad lib.
A lot of it was him running around making three
guys throwing the ball back across the field. Most of
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Jaden's was inside the scheme of the offense, meaning the
ball was coming out in rhythm on time to the
right receiver. Then when everything broke down, he showed the
capacity to be able to be elite also extending plays.
I think one of the big adjustments for Caleb is
him and Shane Waldron getting on the same page. Him
being able to throw the ball in rhythm on time
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from the pocket. I think eventually he'll become a really
good player. I'm not sure he's going to meet everyone
expectations in your one.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah, that's my main concern about him as well. As
playing on schedule, and they do have so many weapons.
You know, I failed to even mentioned Roman Duneesa, the
rookie wide receiver. Right, you got three legit receivers, a
tight end obviously, DeAndre Swiston Knights running back.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
They just picked up.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
And I think those like it's a situation where he
doesn't have to do it all on his own. Like
if you do just play on schedule, assuming he gets
some protection, then those guys, you know, you can just
throw it where it's supposed to be and you'll have
a nice season, do you think.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I mean that's not.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
His natural thing, right, because that's not what he did
at USC or he didn't have the talent around him.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, he created on his own.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Could you do you see like, at least initially, maybe
a tension there where he's passing up the easy play
and maybe making things a little more difficult than they
need to be, even if he may make a play
here or there.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And even and that's a question.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I mean, he's gonna make some plays, but you know,
dudes are faster in the NFL, dude you like, and
he's not like a super athlete in turn, you know,
like a Lamar Jackson runner, So I don't think he's
gonna be able to run away from people like he
did in college either.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I think he'll be evasive. I think his functional mobility
is a it's a lot like a rock party type
of player. Rock Purty doesn't get.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Enough really, So you don't think he's more athletic than
brock Purty.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Now slightly, But I think brock Purty is a lot
more athletic than people give him credit for. I think
Caleb just does it more. I coached a kid to
the offensive player of the Year in the AAC Conference
down in USF's name is Quinton Flowers.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
You can change.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
A athletic quarterback that shusta extending plays into a guy
that plays within rhythm if he's willing to change. And
that's just something we won't know about Caleb because you
hear so much. You know, they didn't sign a traditional agent.
They use attorneys. They wanted a percentage of the franchise.
They wanted the language and the contract not to have
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you know, franchise tagging it.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
So you just.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
It makes you think, how willing is he to change
when he's trying so hard to be like this enigmatic
Like I mean I broke all the rules, you know,
I didn't, you know, kind of conform to like how
things will be.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
He seems to be a non conformist. I mean even
fingernail painting and all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
So because of those things, it gives you pause as
to he's gonna be willing to really come into Shane
Walterson's offense. And on first and ten when they call
a double move down the field but the defense has
a double covert that he will in rhythm throw the
ball to the flat like I just think that it
takes time for a god that's had so much success
doing it his way to fully buy into to be
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in a system quarterback.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
That that's the ability to be great when needed.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And you've heard.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
People compare him to you know, could he be a
Patrick Mahomes, because you know, Mahomes obviously very good off
schedule and all that, and early in his career he
did a lot of that, but Mahomes sat behind, you know,
a good quarterback. Alex Smith right learned the system for
a year when he wasn't playing, and then of course
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had one of the greatest offensive minds we've seen in Andy.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Reid and even c. J. Stroud you had Bobby.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Slowick, who you know, I did a great job with
him last year as the OC and Brilliam mind. Yeah,
And so obviously that coaching staff in you know, Chicago,
I think they're somewhat somewhat on the hot seat. I mean,
I tru he might be a little right, So it's
not like it's a proven staff yet. So I don't
know that he's gonna have the benefits of these great offenses.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
And the one thing that he has that neither of
those two examples have is high expectations.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
Nobody even knew who Patrick Mahomes was.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
The majority of people coming out of Texas Tech, right,
even though he's a first round pick, people like, who
is that?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
You know?
Speaker 5 (14:08):
I remember the whole conversation about c J. Stroud was
he didn't score well on this new test that the
NFL has, and people were like they had him dropping
out the first round. I heard people so that nobody
expected the Texas to be good. People are expecting, as
you said, in some instances, the Bears to be a
NFC representative in the Super Bowl. So I just the
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expectations are so vastly great they.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Can that can work against you too. You know expectations.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
Cough.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
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Speaker 1 (16:02):
All right.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I think this is a huge season for Brock Perdy
for two reasons. Sean number one, obviously the forty nine
ers are super Bowl or bust. They have been knocking
on the door for the better part of the last
five years, haven't been able to push through. Been to
two Super Bowls, but obviously haven't gotten it done. And
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one that if they get close again, like get to
the Super Bowl or even the NFC title game and lose,
I mean that could really break your team spirit, Like
you keep getting close and close and close, and we
don't get it done in some of these seasons. I
think even last season, you feel like you had the
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better team. And then you also because Perdy, if he
plays well, we'll get paid a big contract next year.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
You could lose some of those weapons.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Maybe at Deebo Samuel, We'll see what happens with Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
So I think that's one reason that it's huge for him.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
They gotta get it done as far as winning the
super Bowl. And secondly, of course, is the contract. He's
making less than a million dollars this year, and if
he plays well and certainly it leads him to the
super Bowl, he's going to get on fifty five to
sixty million dollars a year in a long term deal.
So I think this is huge for perty. I think
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he can do it. I think he's a really good quarterback.
I you know, he's in a good situation, but he
is produced, and so it's big for him. Do you
think do you agree with me first of all on
those points and do you.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Think he'll be able to get it done?
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Absolutely? I think he's a perfect fit for San Francisco.
And there's so much irony and the way that you
present it the question because the concept of if he
plays good this year kept being repeated, and I think
that's a national narrative. When I just saw Jordan Love
become the highest quarterback or player period in NFL history
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off of really having a great half of a season,
because the first half of the season last year people
were trying.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
To they aught he was a bust.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
Right, So here's a.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Brock Party, who started twenty one games to throwing forty
four touchdowns the fifteen picks, beat Jordan Love in the playoffs,
beat Jared Golf in the playoffs. Really played well enough back, Yeah,
play well enough for his team to beat Patrick Mahomes
here in Vegas in the Super Bowl. And for some
reason him and his agent have decided that they're not
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holding out, that they're going to play another year before
getting compensated. I think this is a hat tip to John.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
He can't get paid this year because of his contract.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
So a seventh year player, a seventh round pick has
a what three year deal? So he'd be going into
the last year next year. You can get paid, right, So,
I mean he is a capable went up for I'm
trying to figure out why they hadn't gotten this done?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Why do you.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
There? And I'm kind of with you on Purty. I'm
a party.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I like Party. I think he's really good. He's a
good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
What do you say to those who would tell you, man,
look at the weapons, look at the system. Kyle Shanahan,
Jimmy Garoppolo wasn't this good, but he was good in
this system? Like, what do you say to those who
say that and belittle Party because of it, because.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I did with that every day with Nick right over.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Well, he still has to go and make the plays.
I mean, he's not the only player that has weapons.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
Right.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
When Dak Prescott brought that Dallas Cowboy team and they
had weapons, they had Cede Lamb, you know, they had
all those guys that they still have offensively, right, and
he's slown for four thousand yards and thirty plus touchdowns
with in the regular season.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Homes had terrific weapons when he entered.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Absolutely, when Jordan Love came into town, he had that
compliment of young When Jared Golf came into town, he
had that. You had armand Saint Brown he had those
two running backs. He had those tight ends. I mean,
see you tell Nick the teams that he's beaten, they
got talent as.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Well, right, So nah, I feel you on that.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
So what do you see?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
I don't you know, you may not be making predictions
at this point, but what do you see for Party
and the Niners of this year status quo?
Speaker 5 (20:26):
I mean, they're gonna be really good. Yeah, they're gonna
be banging on the door. I Mean, Seattle's not a
huge threat in my opinion, Arizona's kind of you know, rebuilding.
The Rams are threat, but I think overall San Francisco
has the better roster, you know, higher level of talent
across the board. So I mean they're a favorite to
win their division. I wouldn't be surprised that back in
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the NFC Championship.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
All right, Well around the corner, we've got our man,
Danny Parkins from Chicago. Obviously talk to us about Caleb Williams,
the expectations there and so on and so forth.
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Speaker 6 (21:43):
Brew, Good to have you on Sean, been a while, man,
how you guys doing.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Thank you for good man, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Glad to have you. And this is a huge night.
I'm sure you just were talking about it all day
on the radio in Chicago. So I know, we know
that Kayleb Williams isn't playing, but when is the last
time that the people were this excited about the Bears.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
You're not only getting a guy that you know, the
top pick in the.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Draft, but also even for this year, people are thinking,
you guys are going to have a great season. So
when's the last time there was as much buzz and
excitement about the Bears in Chicago?
Speaker 6 (22:21):
I mean, it's been a long time. The twenty nineteen season,
you know, Mitch Trubisky was coming off of a Pro
Bowl alternate year. He at twenty four touchdowns and eighteen picks,
and they traded and they had just traded for Khalil Mack,
you know, and so like that it was a big deal,
but it was not anywhere close to this. I mean,
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this is the generational quarterback prospect going to a better
situation than any number one pick quarterback has ever gone
to with a team that has a legitimate debate on hey,
who's better the offense of the defense and like both
and its think that they can be certainly top half
of the NFL, and you know, the defense think they
can be top five in the NFL. So there's a
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ton of hype. There's a ton of optimism, and even
just for tonight, if I may for a second, like
I've never anticipated a Bear's television event where I'm like,
I don't think anything can go wrong, like no, no,
and maybe it's famous last words, but like no starter
can get hurt. They're not going to put up that
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like torturous graphic of you know, there's never been a
good quarterback in Bear's history, because it's all about the celebration.
And even when they like stop talking about the players
on the field, they'll just be showing me Mango McMichael
and Devin Hester and Julius Peppers highlights, like this is
gonna be a three and a half hour infomercial for
Bear's positivity. I can't wait.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Well, first of all, Mitchell Trubisky is not a Pro Bowl.
He's never made a Pro Bowl. I don't care if
I ever see, if I ever.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
If I ever said.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
At the bar at Mitchell Trubisky tries to pull he
made a Pro Bowl on me.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
We're gonna have that it. Listen. He was like the
eighteenth alternate. I know he made one.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
I'm just saying it doesn't count.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
I will defer to you on this. You are the
one who put pads on.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
My question is this, with all the excitement, all the
expectations locally in Chicago, how do you temper that by
and I guess, how do you come?
Speaker 7 (24:30):
How do you keep it tempered?
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Because of the vast improvements of the other clubs in
the division? Green Bay's much better, Detroit's got Super Bowl aspirations,
how do you measure the level of competition's improvement as
well into your expectations.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Yeah, it's a great it's a great question. I am
not one to temper expectations. I don't believe that's the
role of the sports talk radio host. Because also, you like,
it's so true what you're saying. But so I'm thirty
seven years old. Literally, I have never lived in a
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world where the Bears have had a better quarterback than
the Packers. It's never happened in my lifetime. So, like,
I want to at least believe that it's possible, even
though Jordan Love the last nine games the last year
looked like an MVP, and obviously the Lions went to
the NFC title game. So like, I'm not blind to
the fact that this might end up being the best
division in football, maybe the second best behind the AFC North.
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We'll see how it plays out. But if Caleb is
what he's supposed to be, which is Aaron Rodgers, that's
who he models his game after, well then Jared Goff
and Jordan Love get a lot less scary. So I'm
not gonna temper down the expectations until I see that
he isn't what he's supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
What are you hearing from the local reporters who are
at practice.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Obviously we've seen some video.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
You only see highlights and stuff or low lights and
videos and stuff, But saying about you know Caleb and
how he's playing, and also you know his interactions with
the teammates and his leadership and stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Well, on the last the last point, it's been a
ten out of ten. You know, Kevin Bayer just did
something with our morning show here at the Score in
Chicago where he told the anecdote that kind of went
viral of you know, he stepped in to break down
the team at the end of the walkthrough and he said, hey, guys,
you know there's a lot of square footage in this building.
We're all grown adults. Let's help out the janitorial staff.
(26:29):
Pick up your towels, pick up your water bottles, put
him in the put the laundry in the laundry basket,
put the trash in the trash. Plays like, let's help
people out and be professionals around here. And there have
been anecdotes like that that have just impressed people with
both his attention to detail, his maturity, treating people the
right way, that sort of thing. So I think everybody
gravitates to him as a leader. That's all been really positive.
(26:51):
As for the football, there's a lot of positive. There's
been some negative there. You know, there have been prestat
penalties and false starts, and he's working on the haydens
and all of those things that you know, Sean would
know really well about the difficulties of going from these
college offenses to the NFL. But then there have also
been running throws and jump passes and crazy Caleb Williams
(27:14):
stuff where he's threatened the needle between Jalen Johnson and
Jakwan Brisker and hitting Roma Doomsa for a touchdown in
the back of the end zone, and guys are being like, damn,
this guy's really really good. So I think there's been
up and downs on the field like you would expect
from a rookie against a really good defense. But the
leadership stuff's been everything as advertised.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
You know what, Zenneressent is that, at least in my opinion,
isn't considered leadership to me. Leadership for rookies you pick
it up like That's when when I was a rookie
in Tampa. I started as a rookie midcy. I had
to pick that stuff up. I had to bring the
vents breakfast in the morning. I had to bring whatever
they wanted on the flights to and from the game.
I was the one responsible for making sure that the
(27:58):
flight attendants were left with a MESSI playing in my
rookie class, it wasn't I go teil a bunch of
you know, pro bowlers and Gonzel Mex contracts that got
actual game you know, game reps in this league and
it played successful. Are you guys need to pick your
stuff up, like that was supposed to be the rookies job.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
That's interesting. I mean, so Kevin byers a vet vet right,
he's thirty thirty one years old, and he seemed to
he he offered it up as an explanation of something
that that impressed him. You know, DJ Moore, he's played
with a ton of different quarterbacks. He just signed, you know,
the largest ballah in Bears history, a complete baller, and
(28:40):
he said that a bit. I mean, obviously the money
and the security is the biggest reason. No one's pretending
that it isn't. But you know, he also said Caleb
being here is a huge reason for it, and he
thinks he's going to be a superstar. So if it
rubs people the wrong way, that certainly hasn't come out
in any of the reporting, but I think that's a
totally legitimate claim. And I mean, maybe it's the difference
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in the generation. Maybe it's that Caleb is not down
for that sort of behavior and treatment of rookies, or
who knows, man, maybe we're gonna see on this Hard
Knock season that comes out, you know, starting next Tuesday,
that he's doing some of that stuff too. So that's
that's a great point and it's something that I'll be
on the lookout for when we get some insight into
hard knocks.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
How much do you think the wonderful season that CJ.
Strou had last year? How much pressure does that add
on to Caleb? And are people in Chicago like, is
that upping their expectations? You know, as well as the
strong roster and all that, but the fact that Caleb
stepped in and hit the ground running, you know, does
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that put extra pressure in expectations on Caleb?
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Yes, And I think it's fair personally, Like CJ. Stroud
had a great season. It was awesome, but it was
still what forty one hundred yards, twenty three touchdowns, five sicks,
He won a playoff game, Like it's a passing league.
It's not that ridiculous and it's not a complete outlier
(30:09):
like five interceptions is crazy. Dak Prescott through four as
a rookie, twenty three touchdowns is good. Justin Herbert threw
thirty one as a rookie. Four thousand yards is good.
Andrew Luck did that. You know, We've seen great rookie
seasons from Cam Newton and RG three and all those
guys that I just mentioned that had great rookie seasons,
they're all in the last you know, ten eleven years
(30:31):
if you go back to Andrew Luckin more recently. So
it's just becoming easier for the truly great rookie quarterback
or truly great quarterbacks, if they're in good situations, to
perform as a rookie. So Stroud's most recent example, and
obviously it came out of nowhere. No one thought the
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Texans were a great situation. Winning a playoff game is incredible. Like,
I'm not saying that he's going to be CJ. Stroud
as a rookie, but I also don't think it would
be responsible to take it off the table, because if
we went back in time and did this interview twelve
months ago and I was like Tank Dell and Nico
Collins or Keenan Allen, DJ Moore and Roma doomsay, who's
(31:12):
walking into the better situation? We would all say that
the Bear situation is better than the one that Stroud
walked into. And we would all say that coming out
of Ohio State and USC that Caleb was the higher
rated prospect. So while what Stroud did was remarkable and unexpected.
It wasn't completely without precedent, and so I don't want
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to take that off the table for Caleb either.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
It's interesting because when I do a lot of evaluations
of these quarterbacks year round, while they're playing in college,
especially lean up to the draft, I saw two completely
different players when I watched Stroud and when I watched Caleb.
Both exceptional, but just different because Stroud's a rhythmic with
a system guid It makes all the throws, does all
the right things, uses athleticism only when he has to.
(31:58):
Where's Caleb? The majority party of his production is him
ad libbing? But my question is this pay and manning
through twenty eight interceptions as a rookie without being allowed
to go out and organically figure out success and failure
and what his limitations were and when he could really
push the limits and when he had to be conservative,
(32:20):
maybe he never turns into the pay and manity ended
up being. Is the Bears fan base is the media
prepared to allow him to have that kind of rookie
year where there's some extreme highs but extreme lows, and
it's just a part of the natural process of him
becoming a consistently great player.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Yeah, it's a great question, and it's one of the
things we've been talking about a lot on the show,
and Shane Waldron, the Bears offensive coordinator, kind of addressed
it this week because one of the line of questionings
has basically been, like, are you guys gonna let Caleb
be Caleb with the freelancing and the secondary throws in
the off angles throws or just like playing system, get
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the ball to Dj Moore, Keenan Allen, cole Comet and
Roman Donze because you've got to win now and you
want to rain him in. And what Waldron said was, now,
we don't want to stop doing what makes him special,
because what those types of things, the off schedule throws,
the throwing on the run, it's what makes him great
and it's what leads to the big plays, a lot
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of the downfield stuff. And and Sean, you know this
from scouting him. He didn't throw picks, no, not at all.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
You know.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
He he fumbled like he leed FBA, He led fbs
and fumbled. So Walter was talking about like, you know,
always having that second hand on the ball when you're
in the pocket ball security. But he was forty six
touchdowns against one interception in two years at USC and
the red zone like this is a this is a
big game hunter who doesn't throw picks, and he talks
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about Rogers and you look at some of Rodgers' seasons
forty five touchdowns, six thirty eight touchdown, seven picks, like
that's who Caleb models is game after. So they're gonna
let Caleb be Caleb. And if turnovers happen at this
level in a way that they get in college, then
they're gonna rain him in because the team is good
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enough around him. But I think they're gonna let Caleb
do his thing early on and see if he can
translate that success from college to the prost.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
All right, that's our man, Danny Parkins check him out
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is Chicago Gray stuff. As always, Danny, We appreciate you, man.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Yeah, anything for you. Bruce Shawn, good to talk to you, buddy.
Thanks guys, all right, brother.
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one of the few undisputed goats out there and Kevin
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At random off the top of our heads. But it
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As I was talking with Rob g let's kind of
go through who some of these who are the undisputed ghats?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
You would agree some own bios, Right.
Speaker 7 (36:41):
Yeah, I take your word for it.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
I'm not an expert when it comes to female gymnastics,
so historically I couldn't name you like.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Of this Eraal absolutely, I think a few.
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If we're talking sprinters, I'm you saying bowl is I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
If you don't say it's you say bowl then.
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And I loved Carl Lewis growing up, But no, I
mean you saining Boat's running four tenths of a second
faster than Carl Lewis did, Like, I'm sorry, it's just
not And he's running his world records are so far
ahead of everybody else that it's just not even It's
funny like usually you it's a couple tenths of a
(37:26):
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I should say that separate the world class sprinters And
for him, it's tenths of a second.
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I mean, and track and field, is it who was
the when they were elite?
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Like this did something we never seen, like a Michael
Johnson running nineteen whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Johnson was great, he Wasn't you saying.
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Okay, absolutely?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I mean I'm just saying, like, I think that's undisputed.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Like to me, so golf, would it be Nicholas or
Tiger Well.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
I don't think it's it's under it's disputed, like that's
the thing. Neither one is undisputed. Goat Tom Brady, I
would I mean, they're always gonna be a person here
or there, But wouldn't you say Tom Brady?
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Yeah, absolutely till somebody does what he did. Production wise,
Championship one.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
I think Mahomes is on his tail, but it's definitely Brady.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
Well.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I would say Jordan. I think Jordan's the goat too,
but I don't. I can't say it's undisputed. I can't
say it's undisputed.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
I have a hard time saying when I say goat,
I'm talking era, not all time.
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Well, on this show, we're talking all times.
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It's hard talk all time. It's hard to say all time.
Somebody's Brady is clearly all time.
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We're talking about bios vote.
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Uh, I don't think there's a boxing when a lot
of people say I leave the greatest, but you can't
say there's a question.
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Sayne Gretzky to break. If Brady was in year four
or five. Right now, with the way the game has
changed and it's more about athletic quarterbacks and RPOs and
his zone read stuff, you think he'd have the same
level of success.
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I know he won a championship company years ago.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
To back end, I'm not gonna take anything away.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
I mean yeah, because you look at his numbers in
his forties in this easier league where you don't get hit,
and he put up huge numbers. All right, two hours left,
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better than anybody, as well as anybody. The start it
kind of I mean, kind of the official start. We know,
of course it's just an exhibition game, but it's kind
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of the announcement that.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
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You know, of course, I'm from Ohio and worked in
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Speaker 4 (03:00):
And tonight the Houston Texans will face the Chicago Bears.
Of course, you know won't be many starters, if any
starters out there, don't be looking for CJ. Stroud, don't
be looking for Caleb Williams, the number one pick in
the draft, who's now the quarterback of the Bears. But
(03:20):
you know, it gets it started. And so I do
want to start talking about Caleb Williams, and there is
a ton of hype. Sean, I'm gonna set this up
and then let you cook. There is a ton of
hype about Caleb Williams. I have heard people predict that
(03:41):
the Chicago Bears could get to the Super Bowl. I
have heard people say, and this one is pretty accurate,
that they can't. No number one pick at quarterback has
ever been set up this well with this type of team.
You got some real weapons and dangerous players. DeAndre Swift,
(04:01):
they picked up DJ Moore, They just signed Keenan Allen, like,
they got some weapons up there in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Defense came on late last year and so the hype.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Machine is in full effect for Caleb Williams to the
point where people expect him to come in running like
take you know, come right in and.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Pick off up where he left off at USC.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
And that the Bears, who I might add this, Sean,
in the best division in the NFC with Green Bay
and Detroit and and even Minnesota, you know, could be
a little bit dangerous. So there's my question to you, Sean,
do you think Caleb Williams this year? I think I
(04:45):
think he would be a really good quarterback down the line,
But this year do you think he can live up
to the hype.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Not the public's expectations, not the public's hype. Are you
mentioned and the things that the Bears have added and
you mentioned the improvements of the Green Bay Packers and
the Detroit Lions. You didn't say them specifically, but you
talked about that conference and the difficulty. But really, Chris,
(05:16):
the public is comparing him and the Bears to the
Houston Texans who were three thirteen and one last year
and CJ. Stroud was drafted number two in the draft
and led them to way I think it was ten
and seven record and a first round playoff win, a
division title. He threw with a twenty I think three
touchdowns and five picks.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
So that's what you say for a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yeah, absolutely, but he didn't have any expectations. That kind
of surprised everyone. The Bears, I think, are in a
better position. They were seven and ten last year with
justin fields. As you mentioned, all the improvements they made.
If you look at historically, Lincoln Riley quarterbacks have done well.
Initially in the National Football League. Kyler Murray I think
was a twenty touchdown, twelve pick god. I think Baker
(06:01):
Mayfield was a twenty seven touchdown. I think like fourteen
pick guys. So they've had success, but neither one of
those guys had expectations like this. So I'm gonna say no,
I'm not gonna say he doesn't have a good rookie year,
but I don't think him and the Bears live up
to the expectations because I think they're thinking when the
North you know, make it, you know, to the second
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third round of the playoffs. I'm just not sure that
jump happens this year.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Well, and like you said, added on top of what
I said, with.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Some people thinking they's a Super Bowl, people looking at
their weapons and how good they think they can be also.
Add on top of that, and you mentioned him CJ Stroud,
like what he did last year, I do think people
are looking at it like, well, the CJ can come
in and do it, and let's keep it real.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
CJ did it on.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
A team that was supposed to be bad, had a
rookie head coach. None of his skilled position players have
ever made a Pro Bowl, and he turned them around
into point got him a playoff win, not only into
the playoffs, but an actual victory.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
But CJ. Stroud is the exception.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Most rookie quarterbacks, they might play okay, or they might struggle.
And I don't mean that doesn't mean they're not gonna
be good, but they might come in and you know
they don't like the league on fire. He's really the
only one. Andrew Luck played well. And Luck was in
a pretty good situation too. I know, remember Indianapolis had
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been bad the year they drafted him, but that was
kind of Peyton had left, you know, was gone, and
you know they just were lost without Peyton Manny. But
they had some pretty good players elsewhere and they won
eleven games and lux rookie year. But I'm with you,
there are some out there. I've heard say that Jalen
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Daniels in Washington, they they think, you know, late in
the season, it's kind of they think it'll be a CJ.
Not that Caleb will be as bad as Rice Young
was last year, but they think it'll be a similar
situation in that people are saying the number two guy
is better or at least having a better season than
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the number one guy.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Where are you at on that?
Speaker 7 (08:14):
Well?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I had Jayan Daniels ranked as a number one quarterback
in this group and it wasn't close. I think Jayden's
better than Caleb in every factor that you quantify at
playing quarterback. The thing that worries you about Washington they
still have not fixed that offensive line.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
They have good skilled position guys.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
I think they added Austin Eckler at run to that backfield,
but Terry McLaurin and that group are talented. But that
offensive line was the reason Sam Howell struggled mightily last year.
I think they led the league in sacks if I'm
not mistaken. So I love Cliff Kingsbury as a OC.
I think Dan Quinn and those guys will do a
good job. I love Jayden Daniels as a talent. I
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just don't fully trust the Washington offensive line.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
Other than that, I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
And I'm not necessarily there. I'm just saying I've heard
people say that. But why do you like Jaden better
than Caleb?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Well, because he's proven more consistently that he can play
elite quarterback within the confines of the scheme. And so
when you talk about Caleb and the mastery that we
saw at USC, a lot of it was ad lib.
A lot of it was him running around making three
guys throwing the ball back across the field. Most of
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Jaden's was inside the scheme of the offense, meaning the
ball was coming out in rhythm on time to the
right receiver. Then when everything broke down, he showed the
capacity to be able to be elite also extending plays.
I think one of the big adjustments for Caleb is
him and Shane Waldron getting on the same page. Him
being able to throw the ball in rhythm on time
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from the pocket. I think eventually he'll become a really
good player. I'm not sure he's going to meet everyone
expectations in your one.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah, that's my main concern about him as well. As
playing on schedule, and they do have so many weapons.
You know, I failed to even mentioned Roman Duneesa, the
rookie wide receiver. Right, you got three legit receivers, a
tight end obviously, DeAndre Swiston Knights running back.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
They just picked up.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
And I think those like it's a situation where he
doesn't have to do it all on his own. Like
if you do just play on schedule, assuming he gets
some protection, then those guys, you know, you can just
throw it where it's supposed to be and you'll have
a nice season, do you think.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I mean that's not.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
His natural thing, right, because that's not what he did
at USC or he didn't have the talent around him.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, he created on his own.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Could you do you see like, at least initially, maybe
a tension there where he's passing up the easy play
and maybe making things a little more difficult than they
need to be, even if he may make a play
here or there.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And even and that's a question.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I mean, he's gonna make some plays, but you know,
dudes are faster in the NFL, dude you like, and
he's not like a super athlete in turn, you know,
like a Lamar Jackson runner, So I don't think he's
gonna be able to run away from people like he
did in college either.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I think he'll be evasive. I think his functional mobility
is a it's a lot like a rock party type
of player. Rock Purty doesn't get.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Enough really, So you don't think he's more athletic than
brock Purty.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Now slightly, But I think brock Purty is a lot
more athletic than people give him credit for. I think
Caleb just does it more. I coached a kid to
the offensive player of the Year in the AAC Conference
down in USF's name is Quinton Flowers.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
You can change.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
A athletic quarterback that shusta extending plays into a guy
that plays within rhythm if he's willing to change. And
that's just something we won't know about Caleb because you
hear so much. You know, they didn't sign a traditional agent.
They use attorneys. They wanted a percentage of the franchise.
They wanted the language and the contract not to have
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you know, franchise tagging it.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
So you just.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
It makes you think, how willing is he to change
when he's trying so hard to be like this enigmatic
Like I mean I broke all the rules, you know,
I didn't, you know, kind of conform to like how
things will be.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
He seems to be a non conformist. I mean even
fingernail painting and all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
So because of those things, it gives you pause as
to he's gonna be willing to really come into Shane
Walterson's offense. And on first and ten when they call
a double move down the field but the defense has
a double covert that he will in rhythm throw the
ball to the flat like I just think that it
takes time for a god that's had so much success
doing it his way to fully buy into to be
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in a system quarterback.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
That that's the ability to be great when needed.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And you've heard.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
People compare him to you know, could he be a
Patrick Mahomes, because you know, Mahomes obviously very good off
schedule and all that, and early in his career he
did a lot of that, but Mahomes sat behind, you know,
a good quarterback. Alex Smith right learned the system for
a year when he wasn't playing, and then of course
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had one of the greatest offensive minds we've seen in Andy.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Reid and even c. J. Stroud you had Bobby.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Slowick, who you know, I did a great job with
him last year as the OC and Brilliam mind. Yeah,
And so obviously that coaching staff in you know, Chicago,
I think they're somewhat somewhat on the hot seat. I mean,
I tru he might be a little right, So it's
not like it's a proven staff yet. So I don't
know that he's gonna have the benefits of these great offenses.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
And the one thing that he has that neither of
those two examples have is high expectations.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
Nobody even knew who Patrick Mahomes was.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
The majority of people coming out of Texas Tech, right,
even though he's a first round pick, people like, who
is that?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
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Speaker 5 (14:08):
I remember the whole conversation about c J. Stroud was
he didn't score well on this new test that the
NFL has, and people were like they had him dropping
out the first round. I heard people so that nobody
expected the Texas to be good. People are expecting, as
you said, in some instances, the Bears to be a
NFC representative in the Super Bowl. So I just the
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expectations are so vastly great they.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Can that can work against you too. You know expectations.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
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Speaker 4 (16:03):
I think this is a huge season for Brock Perdy
for two reasons. Sean number one, obviously the forty nine
ers are super Bowl or bust. They have been knocking
on the door for the better part of the last
five years, haven't been able to push through. Been to
two Super Bowls, but obviously haven't gotten it done. And
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one that if they get close again, like get to
the Super Bowl or even the NFC title game and lose,
I mean that could really break your team spirit, Like
you keep getting close and close and close, and we
don't get it done in some of these seasons. I
think even last season, you feel like you had the
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better team. And then you also because Perdy, if he
plays well, we'll get paid a big contract next year.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
You could lose some of those weapons.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Maybe at Deebo Samuel, We'll see what happens with Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
So I think that's one reason that it's huge for him.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
They gotta get it done as far as winning the
super Bowl. And secondly, of course, is the contract. He's
making less than a million dollars this year, and if
he plays well and certainly it leads him to the
super Bowl, he's going to get on fifty five to
sixty million dollars a year in a long term deal.
So I think this is huge for perty. I think
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he can do it. I think he's a really good quarterback.
I you know, he's in a good situation, but he
is produced, and so it's big for him. Do you
think do you agree with me first of all on
those points and do you.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Think he'll be able to get it done?
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Absolutely? I think he's a perfect fit for San Francisco.
And there's so much irony and the way that you
present it the question because the concept of if he
plays good this year kept being repeated, and I think
that's a national narrative. When I just saw Jordan Love
become the highest quarterback or player period in NFL history
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off of really having a great half of a season,
because the first half of the season last year people
were trying.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
To they aught he was a bust.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
Right, So here's a.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Brock Party, who started twenty one games to throwing forty
four touchdowns the fifteen picks, beat Jordan Love in the playoffs,
beat Jared Golf in the playoffs. Really played well enough back, Yeah,
play well enough for his team to beat Patrick Mahomes
here in Vegas in the Super Bowl. And for some
reason him and his agent have decided that they're not
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holding out, that they're going to play another year before
getting compensated. I think this is a hat tip to John.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
He can't get paid this year because of his contract.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
So a seventh year player, a seventh round pick has
a what three year deal? So he'd be going into
the last year next year. You can get paid, right, So,
I mean he is a capable went up for I'm
trying to figure out why they hadn't gotten this done?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Why do you.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
There? And I'm kind of with you on Purty. I'm
a party.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I like Party. I think he's really good. He's a
good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
What do you say to those who would tell you, man,
look at the weapons, look at the system. Kyle Shanahan,
Jimmy Garoppolo wasn't this good, but he was good in
this system? Like, what do you say to those who
say that and belittle Party because of it, because.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I did with that every day with Nick right over.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Well, he still has to go and make the plays.
I mean, he's not the only player that has weapons.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
Right.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
When Dak Prescott brought that Dallas Cowboy team and they
had weapons, they had Cede Lamb, you know, they had
all those guys that they still have offensively, right, and
he's slown for four thousand yards and thirty plus touchdowns
with in the regular season.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Homes had terrific weapons when he entered.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Absolutely, when Jordan Love came into town, he had that
compliment of young When Jared Golf came into town, he
had that. You had armand Saint Brown he had those
two running backs. He had those tight ends. I mean,
see you tell Nick the teams that he's beaten, they
got talent as.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Well, right, So nah, I feel you on that.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
So what do you see?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
I don't you know, you may not be making predictions
at this point, but what do you see for Party
and the Niners of this year status quo?
Speaker 5 (20:26):
I mean, they're gonna be really good. Yeah, they're gonna
be banging on the door. I Mean, Seattle's not a
huge threat in my opinion, Arizona's kind of you know, rebuilding.
The Rams are threat, but I think overall San Francisco
has the better roster, you know, higher level of talent
across the board. So I mean they're a favorite to
win their division. I wouldn't be surprised that back in
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the NFC Championship.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
All right, Well around the corner, we've got our man,
Danny Parkins from Chicago. Obviously talk to us about Caleb Williams,
the expectations there and so on and so forth.
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Speaker 6 (21:43):
Brew, Good to have you on Sean, been a while, man,
how you guys doing.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Thank you for good man, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Glad to have you. And this is a huge night.
I'm sure you just were talking about it all day
on the radio in Chicago. So I know, we know
that Kayleb Williams isn't playing, but when is the last
time that the people were this excited about the Bears.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
You're not only getting a guy that you know, the
top pick in the.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Draft, but also even for this year, people are thinking,
you guys are going to have a great season. So
when's the last time there was as much buzz and
excitement about the Bears in Chicago?
Speaker 6 (22:21):
I mean, it's been a long time. The twenty nineteen season,
you know, Mitch Trubisky was coming off of a Pro
Bowl alternate year. He at twenty four touchdowns and eighteen picks,
and they traded and they had just traded for Khalil Mack,
you know, and so like that it was a big deal,
but it was not anywhere close to this. I mean,
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this is the generational quarterback prospect going to a better
situation than any number one pick quarterback has ever gone
to with a team that has a legitimate debate on hey,
who's better the offense of the defense and like both
and its think that they can be certainly top half
of the NFL, and you know, the defense think they
can be top five in the NFL. So there's a
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ton of hype. There's a ton of optimism, and even
just for tonight, if I may for a second, like
I've never anticipated a Bear's television event where I'm like,
I don't think anything can go wrong, like no, no,
and maybe it's famous last words, but like no starter
can get hurt. They're not going to put up that
(23:30):
like torturous graphic of you know, there's never been a
good quarterback in Bear's history, because it's all about the celebration.
And even when they like stop talking about the players
on the field, they'll just be showing me Mango McMichael
and Devin Hester and Julius Peppers highlights, like this is
gonna be a three and a half hour infomercial for
Bear's positivity. I can't wait.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Well, first of all, Mitchell Trubisky is not a Pro Bowl.
He's never made a Pro Bowl. I don't care if
I ever see, if I ever.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
If I ever said.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
At the bar at Mitchell Trubisky tries to pull he
made a Pro Bowl on me.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
We're gonna have that it. Listen. He was like the
eighteenth alternate. I know he made one.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
I'm just saying it doesn't count.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
I will defer to you on this. You are the
one who put pads on.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
My question is this, with all the excitement, all the
expectations locally in Chicago, how do you temper that by
and I guess, how do you come?
Speaker 7 (24:30):
How do you keep it tempered?
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Because of the vast improvements of the other clubs in
the division? Green Bay's much better, Detroit's got Super Bowl aspirations,
how do you measure the level of competition's improvement as
well into your expectations.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Yeah, it's a great it's a great question. I am
not one to temper expectations. I don't believe that's the
role of the sports talk radio host. Because also, you like,
it's so true what you're saying. But so I'm thirty
seven years old. Literally, I have never lived in a
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world where the Bears have had a better quarterback than
the Packers. It's never happened in my lifetime. So, like,
I want to at least believe that it's possible, even
though Jordan Love the last nine games the last year
looked like an MVP, and obviously the Lions went to
the NFC title game. So like, I'm not blind to
the fact that this might end up being the best
division in football, maybe the second best behind the AFC North.
(25:28):
We'll see how it plays out. But if Caleb is
what he's supposed to be, which is Aaron Rodgers, that's
who he models his game after, well then Jared Goff
and Jordan Love get a lot less scary. So I'm
not gonna temper down the expectations until I see that
he isn't what he's supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
What are you hearing from the local reporters who are
at practice.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Obviously we've seen some video.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
You only see highlights and stuff or low lights and
videos and stuff, But saying about you know Caleb and
how he's playing, and also you know his interactions with
the teammates and his leadership and stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Well, on the last the last point, it's been a
ten out of ten. You know, Kevin Bayer just did
something with our morning show here at the Score in
Chicago where he told the anecdote that kind of went
viral of you know, he stepped in to break down
the team at the end of the walkthrough and he said, hey, guys,
you know there's a lot of square footage in this building.
We're all grown adults. Let's help out the janitorial staff.
(26:29):
Pick up your towels, pick up your water bottles, put
him in the put the laundry in the laundry basket,
put the trash in the trash. Plays like, let's help
people out and be professionals around here. And there have
been anecdotes like that that have just impressed people with
both his attention to detail, his maturity, treating people the
right way, that sort of thing. So I think everybody
gravitates to him as a leader. That's all been really positive.
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As for the football, there's a lot of positive. There's
been some negative there. You know, there have been prestat
penalties and false starts, and he's working on the haydens
and all of those things that you know, Sean would
know really well about the difficulties of going from these
college offenses to the NFL. But then there have also
been running throws and jump passes and crazy Caleb Williams
(27:14):
stuff where he's threatened the needle between Jalen Johnson and
Jakwan Brisker and hitting Roma Doomsa for a touchdown in
the back of the end zone, and guys are being like, damn,
this guy's really really good. So I think there's been
up and downs on the field like you would expect
from a rookie against a really good defense. But the
leadership stuff's been everything as advertised.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
You know what, Zenneressent is that, at least in my opinion,
isn't considered leadership to me. Leadership for rookies you pick
it up like That's when when I was a rookie
in Tampa. I started as a rookie midcy. I had
to pick that stuff up. I had to bring the
vents breakfast in the morning. I had to bring whatever
they wanted on the flights to and from the game.
I was the one responsible for making sure that the
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flight attendants were left with a MESSI playing in my
rookie class, it wasn't I go teil a bunch of
you know, pro bowlers and Gonzel Mex contracts that got
actual game you know, game reps in this league and
it played successful. Are you guys need to pick your
stuff up, like that was supposed to be the rookies job.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
That's interesting. I mean, so Kevin byers a vet vet right,
he's thirty thirty one years old, and he seemed to
he he offered it up as an explanation of something
that that impressed him. You know, DJ Moore, he's played
with a ton of different quarterbacks. He just signed, you know,
the largest ballah in Bears history, a complete baller, and
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he said that a bit. I mean, obviously the money
and the security is the biggest reason. No one's pretending
that it isn't. But you know, he also said Caleb
being here is a huge reason for it, and he
thinks he's going to be a superstar. So if it
rubs people the wrong way, that certainly hasn't come out
in any of the reporting, but I think that's a
totally legitimate claim. And I mean, maybe it's the difference
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in the generation. Maybe it's that Caleb is not down
for that sort of behavior and treatment of rookies, or
who knows, man, maybe we're gonna see on this Hard
Knock season that comes out, you know, starting next Tuesday,
that he's doing some of that stuff too. So that's
that's a great point and it's something that I'll be
on the lookout for when we get some insight into
hard knocks.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
How much do you think the wonderful season that CJ.
Strou had last year? How much pressure does that add
on to Caleb? And are people in Chicago like, is
that upping their expectations? You know, as well as the
strong roster and all that, but the fact that Caleb
stepped in and hit the ground running, you know, does
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that put extra pressure in expectations on Caleb?
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Yes, And I think it's fair personally, Like CJ. Stroud
had a great season. It was awesome, but it was
still what forty one hundred yards, twenty three touchdowns, five sicks,
He won a playoff game, Like it's a passing league.
It's not that ridiculous and it's not a complete outlier
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like five interceptions is crazy. Dak Prescott through four as
a rookie, twenty three touchdowns is good. Justin Herbert threw
thirty one as a rookie. Four thousand yards is good.
Andrew Luck did that. You know, We've seen great rookie
seasons from Cam Newton and RG three and all those
guys that I just mentioned that had great rookie seasons,
they're all in the last you know, ten eleven years
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if you go back to Andrew Luckin more recently. So
it's just becoming easier for the truly great rookie quarterback
or truly great quarterbacks, if they're in good situations, to
perform as a rookie. So Stroud's most recent example, and
obviously it came out of nowhere. No one thought the
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Texans were a great situation. Winning a playoff game is incredible. Like,
I'm not saying that he's going to be CJ. Stroud
as a rookie, but I also don't think it would
be responsible to take it off the table, because if
we went back in time and did this interview twelve
months ago and I was like Tank Dell and Nico
Collins or Keenan Allen, DJ Moore and Roma doomsay, who's
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walking into the better situation? We would all say that
the Bear situation is better than the one that Stroud
walked into. And we would all say that coming out
of Ohio State and USC that Caleb was the higher
rated prospect. So while what Stroud did was remarkable and unexpected.
It wasn't completely without precedent, and so I don't want
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to take that off the table for Caleb either.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
It's interesting because when I do a lot of evaluations
of these quarterbacks year round, while they're playing in college,
especially lean up to the draft, I saw two completely
different players when I watched Stroud and when I watched Caleb.
Both exceptional, but just different because Stroud's a rhythmic with
a system guid It makes all the throws, does all
the right things, uses athleticism only when he has to.
(31:58):
Where's Caleb? The majority party of his production is him
ad libbing? But my question is this pay and manning
through twenty eight interceptions as a rookie without being allowed
to go out and organically figure out success and failure
and what his limitations were and when he could really
push the limits and when he had to be conservative,
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maybe he never turns into the pay and manity ended
up being. Is the Bears fan base is the media
prepared to allow him to have that kind of rookie
year where there's some extreme highs but extreme lows, and
it's just a part of the natural process of him
becoming a consistently great player.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Yeah, it's a great question, and it's one of the
things we've been talking about a lot on the show,
and Shane Waldron, the Bears offensive coordinator, kind of addressed
it this week because one of the line of questionings
has basically been, like, are you guys gonna let Caleb
be Caleb with the freelancing and the secondary throws in
the off angles throws or just like playing system, get
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the ball to Dj Moore, Keenan Allen, cole Comet and
Roman Donze because you've got to win now and you
want to rain him in. And what Waldron said was, now,
we don't want to stop doing what makes him special,
because what those types of things, the off schedule throws,
the throwing on the run, it's what makes him great
and it's what leads to the big plays, a lot
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of the downfield stuff. And and Sean, you know this
from scouting him. He didn't throw picks, no, not at all.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
You know.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
He he fumbled like he leed FBA, He led fbs
and fumbled. So Walter was talking about like, you know,
always having that second hand on the ball when you're
in the pocket ball security. But he was forty six
touchdowns against one interception in two years at USC and
the red zone like this is a this is a
big game hunter who doesn't throw picks, and he talks
(33:55):
about Rogers and you look at some of Rodgers' seasons
forty five touchdowns, six thirty eight touchdown, seven picks, like
that's who Caleb models is game after. So they're gonna
let Caleb be Caleb. And if turnovers happen at this
level in a way that they get in college, then
they're gonna rain him in because the team is good
(34:16):
enough around him. But I think they're gonna let Caleb
do his thing early on and see if he can
translate that success from college to the prost.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
All right, that's our man, Danny Parkins check him out
on The Parkins and Spiegel Show six seventy. The score
is Chicago Gray stuff. As always, Danny, We appreciate you, man.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Yeah, anything for you. Bruce Shawn, good to talk to you, buddy.
Thanks guys, all right, brother.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Peace, all right? How many goats are they? See? I'm
I'm stuttering.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Because I hesitate to ask Sean King about the goat conversation.
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Congratulation to Simone Biles, the incredible.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I mean that's an understatement gymnast.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
She's the all around champion in the Olympics once again.
And when we you know, this happened earlier today and
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(36:14):
one of the few undisputed goats out there and Kevin
Wilds and I teased demon. You know, we were just
throwing out undisputed goats.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
At random off the top of our heads. But it
got us to thank you for the night show.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
As I was talking with Rob g let's kind of
go through who some of these who are the undisputed ghats?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
You would agree some own bios, Right.
Speaker 7 (36:41):
Yeah, I take your word for it.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
I'm not an expert when it comes to female gymnastics,
so historically I couldn't name you like.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Of this Eraal absolutely, I think a few.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
If we're talking sprinters, I'm you saying bowl is I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
If you don't say it's you say bowl then.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
And I loved Carl Lewis growing up, But no, I
mean you saining Boat's running four tenths of a second
faster than Carl Lewis did, Like, I'm sorry, it's just
not And he's running his world records are so far
ahead of everybody else that it's just not even It's
funny like usually you it's a couple tenths of a
(37:26):
second that separate or a couple hundreds of the second,
I should say that separate the world class sprinters And
for him, it's tenths of a second.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
I mean, and track and field, is it who was
the when they were elite?
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Like this did something we never seen, like a Michael
Johnson running nineteen whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Johnson was great, he Wasn't you saying.
Speaker 7 (37:52):
Okay, absolutely?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I mean I'm just saying, like, I think that's undisputed.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Like to me, so golf, would it be Nicholas or
Tiger Well.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
I don't think it's it's under it's disputed, like that's
the thing. Neither one is undisputed. Goat Tom Brady, I
would I mean, they're always gonna be a person here
or there, But wouldn't you say Tom Brady?
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Yeah, absolutely till somebody does what he did. Production wise,
Championship one.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
I think Mahomes is on his tail, but it's definitely Brady.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
Well.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I would say Jordan. I think Jordan's the goat too,
but I don't. I can't say it's undisputed. I can't
say it's undisputed.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
I have a hard time saying when I say goat,
I'm talking era, not all time.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Well, on this show, we're talking all times.
Speaker 7 (38:40):
It's hard talk all time. It's hard to say all time.
Somebody's Brady is clearly all time.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
We're talking about bios vote.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Uh, I don't think there's a boxing when a lot
of people say I leave the greatest, but you can't
say there's a question.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
Sayne Gretzky to break. If Brady was in year four
or five. Right now, with the way the game has
changed and it's more about athletic quarterbacks and RPOs and
his zone read stuff, you think he'd have the same
level of success.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
I know he won a championship company years ago.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
To back end, I'm not gonna take anything away.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
I mean yeah, because you look at his numbers in
his forties in this easier league where you don't get hit,
and he put up huge numbers. All right, two hours left,
locket ay A couple
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