April 28, 2025 • 40 mins
Rob and Kelvin get the bottom of exactly why Sheduer Sanders fell all the way to the fifth round in the 2025 NFL Draft. The guys welcome in NFL Insider Adam Caplan. And are the NBA refs getting the calls right?
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on Fox Sports Radio, will be joining us at the
bottom of the hour. We'll talk more about the draft
and some other stuff, give us some more insight, but
that's where we're gonna go this hour. Kelvina talk about
what happened with Shador Sanders, the shock of going in
the fifth round, all the other stuff, and all the
crazy conspiracies that were out there, very abundant and I'm
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gonna say this. I thought the draft coverage was the
worst I've ever seen it. I And we mentioned this
the other day, so many analysts like took it personally.
Do you know what I mean? Like like I like
the NFL and drafting quarterbacks and who goes in this
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like like it's.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
It's not an exact science. They're wrong. And guys, Tom
Brady has seven Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You drafted a sixth round, Like, it's not whoever's drafted
the first round automatically gonna be great. And it's how
many busts, first overall picks, first round quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Josh Rosen had.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
A cup of coffee in the suite roll in Arizona
one year.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
It happens both sides of the guys. We didn't see
coming that, you guys, let Tom Brady go sit. Guys,
we thought was the end all be all?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
But I gotta say this, the Sanders family, Dion and
Should they're to blame for this as well. And what
I mean by that is they thought that they were
going to run this Like Dion was the one who
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said he's going to be a top five pick, right, Okay, yeah,
all right? He even they have interviews and quotes where
he's like, if I'm a young quarterback, I wouldn't want
to go to Cleveland. That's where they all die there
or something, you know like that. Also talked about teams
that he wouldn't allow Shador to play. Okay, so all
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that plus Chador blew off some interview Chador h you know,
went in they said, you know that the stuff that
he was unprepared to do, the whiteboard, all kinds of stuff,
and people went, Okay, I guess he You know, we
don't look at you as a first round talent, so
we're not gonna draft in the second round or first
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or second round. And have you think that we think
you're going to be a starting quarterback or franchise quarterback,
because that's the worst thing you could do is draft
a guy too high thinking that, oh, I'm this is
my team, I'm gonna be that guy.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
They didn't look at him like that.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Even going to the Browns, they passed him over four
times before they picked them with their uh.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Was it their fifth pick?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Four times and and I just it was mishandled this
idea at the NFL. They were trying to humble and
put them in his place. That's all poppy cock, boulder
dash and nonsense. It's just as nonsense. You're a general manager,
a coach and you have a talent there. You're trying
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to hold onto your gig. You're trying to win games.
Come on, man, do not buy into that that you're
not going to draft somebody who can help you win.
You are going to do that. And then the race thing.
There are no black general managers, are okay? Is Mike
(04:35):
Tomlin black? Did Mike Tomlin have a chance to draft him?
He sure did what he say, No, I'll pass. I'm
not saying it's all on him. But there's a black coach.
Tom Brady's his mentor. That was that what they're calling
tom Brady or friend or something. You know, they worked out.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Together all that. The Raiders passed them over. Tom Brady's shador.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Tom Brady, he knows quarterback talent, doesn't he? Tom Brady
if he worked out with him through the football with him, right,
he could have said, are you kidding me? He's available,
Let's make it happen. We have our quarterback for the future.
The Raiders don't have a quarterback. Why wouldn't Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Took up take him.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
This had nothing to do with anything other than he
wasn't viewed as a top tier quarterback and they didn't
want to waste a high pick and decided later there
were only really three or four teams that needed a quarterback,
so that limited the scope.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Would you agree? Yeah? That to me.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Of most things that you said, I agree with the most.
I do believe that this wasn't a year where there
were several, you know, eight, nine, twelve teams that needed quarterbacks.
I do agree with that. I will push back on
a couple of things. I do believe that there were
a couple of things that play here. Number one, I
think the reason why you saw some people I know
Mal Kuiper and I know we'll talked about that a
little bit more specifically, And why some other people saw
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Lewis Rick, I saw the people genuinely frustrated, upset and
obviously fans and people are you know, who.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Are covering the sport.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I'm sorry to be personally, but let me just say
that I'm gonna let you go. Yeah that that's because
you might be friends with Dion, you can't have a
personal like like the idea that mel Kiper could get
on the air and say, the NFL doesn't know how
to uh value evaluate quarterback and they haven't been able
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to do it for fifty years.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
It's a joke, but it's not a joke when they
look at the percentage though, Like, that's what we just said.
He's absolutely right that most of the time beginning.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
But that's what I know.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
It's what I'm saying so in theory, and he put
extra sauce on it. But I think why he put
extra sauce on it was because, like a lot of people,
for him, I have a value this for thirty to
forty However, many years, I've never seen a guy who
so many people in our conversations, in our text exchange
and our meetups and are having coffees valuate this guy here.
(07:11):
Not that a lot of people he he's not a
top five, not top ten. Hey, he's not a first rounder.
He's probably a second rounder. To see a guy go
from not really a first round, maybe late first round,
second to maybe to fifth specifically at the most important position,
that is probably why he put extra sauce on his emotions,
how he felt, and why so many people did that.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
And Louis Rene I can go down the line.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Because people were like, wait a minute, if you've all
told me he's the first hold.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
You that did NFL people tell you that. That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
White male Conin probably felt away because he's having conversation literally,
he's talking to his peers who do this, and if
most people are saying, I don't agree with the top ten,
he's definitely not a first rounderup but for sure second
round off the round, and for him to drop fifth
and they get to the fifth round and again not
only drop to the fifth round, be the fifth quarterback
selected when we had heard of universally he was around
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the third maybe not first, maybe not second, probably third.
That's why it was so com so third.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
To fifth made people lose their mind.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I'll tell you why. So fair point.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
He said that in another year to fifth, where there's
a bunch of draft quarterbacks, their quarterbacks weren't great.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Even the reach for three wasn't great.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
I mean, dude, you're talking about quarterbacks that weren't fantastic.
This isn't a quarterback season or draft where there was
loaded with legit real quarterbacks. So even a third pick
dart or a second pick is like oh, okay, and
on down the line until you get to Shador. Also,
when you just talk about there's things to be left desired,
I can completely understand that, Right.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Is he walking around like Andrew Luck.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
No, but we've had plenty of people who were drafted
way higher than him who had left things to be
desired Johnny Manzell, Ryan Lee, JaMarcus Russell, Trey Lance. There
was a reach, Zach Wilson was a reach. Matt Looner
we talk about, so there are other plan.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
And wasn't a reach. I mean he made a mistake by.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Not well, no, no, no, not a reason. I'm those two
were reached. I'm saying with deficiencies. They're saying, well, his
arm might not be the greatest. That was what they
were saying about mattline arm not the strongest. So I'm
saying there were deficiencies. Again, he's not Andrew Luck. Nobody's
saying that. But when you look at the productivity, that's
where it also didn't match. The dude is fourteenth in
NCAAD one history with fourteen hundred, three hundred and forty
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three passing yards.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
He is the first two.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
He's only one of two qbs to have fourteen thousand
yards while completing over seventy percent of his passes, and
then he had a nine to one touchdown the interception ratio.
He went bar for bar, as they say in rat world,
but passed a pass with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
He had no offensive line.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
So that's where people are like, well, dang, I'm not
saying he's the greatest, but to drop like that. And
I think there's something last point I'll make here. I
do think there's a part of this that absolutely said
the kid who has it all and all these other
kids coming nil money, making big money, got a name,
got millions of followers, and he might have had a
(09:56):
little extra bravado and swaggering a little bit of confidence.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I believe that.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I absolutely believe that. And I do think there was
a message being sent. Don't come in here, a message
I'm about to tell you. Don't come in here with
all that. This is the NFL. We were bigger before you,
during you, and after you, and don't come in here
with all that.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I'm the man, I'm.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
The one an extra bravado, extra arrogance, extra confidence. Just
because you got already got millions dollars in the bank,
just because you got millions of followers and shows on
all types of networks and all that we still run
this thing. And I absolutely believe that was not only
for NFL coming into the league, but also college. All
your young folks like the young quarterback who left Tennessee.
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Hold on, everybody just trying to go get more money
and do all that. Hold on, And I think a
message was made because again it just logically didn't make sense.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Nobody's saying he had the time.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Disagree. I totally disagree. You don't even have any evidence.
And people keep saying unless you where's your evidence that
the NFL circulated, Like, seriously, you could speculate all you want,
but I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Be very clear.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
This is one hundred percent Calvin Washington's objective speculating a
thousand percent. This is me watching, saying, noticing trends, wonding
what the kid happened in college a week or two
before the kid the quarterback from Tennessee, and noticing conversations.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
And I just think there's absolutely with all the.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Guys who lose jobs in the NFL because they don't win.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Okay, seriously, you.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Can't tell me that somebody really believes he's a franchise quarterback,
and the NFL told you not to draft him, okay,
because his receivers got drafted right and everybody else who
around him, And you're gonna tell me that they're really
gonna be like, oh yeah, don't draft him. But the
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Browns did draft him. If you told me he didn't
get drafted at all, or or nobody signed him as
a free agent or whatever, maybe I would buy that
there's some sort of black ball thing. But he did
get drafted. You're just not happy where he got. He said,
black ball rob a message big? But what's who?
Speaker 6 (12:04):
Who?
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Who was the message? Was this? Roger good Dat? Who
is that from? Tell me?
Speaker 5 (12:10):
I'm telling you front officers who say, kid, don't come
in here acting like you're haughty or.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Better than Deon Sender.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
This is what happens when you're not If he were
Andrew Luck, Cam Newton when he was coming out, uh,
you know Baker, some of these obviously, or Trevor Lawrence
when they feel like you're the one, this wouldn't matter.
He could come in whatever you wanted. He could have
been five minutes late because you're that talent. We know
that in life, in any profession talent. Superseeds a lot.
So I agree he would have been drafted despite anything
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anybody said.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
If he were that type of talent, what what type
of time?
Speaker 5 (12:41):
And I agree with that, but that's where people are
confusing because Okay, if he's a second, if he's a second,
third round pick, and all this other stuff, well, I
have no problem letting him slide the fifth in to
make it a point, because if he's not, it's not.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
A point because they did draft him that Browns. I
still gotta draft seven people.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, but they I still gotta I didn't have.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
To draft thirty two teams seven rounds. Somebody's gonna grab.
But they didn't have to.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
And the whole thing is that they did draft him,
and finally they were like, Okay, that's for that value
of a guy that we don't expect to be this
kind of quarterback. That that's the reason you wait, because
you could say, well, he might be that fit.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I agree you need other players first, we don't need
a quarterback there.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I agree with you on that.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
I said, this wasn't the year of like, uh, you know,
seven legit real, five legit, real quarterbacks, last weight, real quick.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I do believe that Dion might have put.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
A little too much out there about you know, we
ain't going here, remember a little sex and your windows.
He wasn't Eli talent. Now, obviously, career, we never know
what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
That's life. But Eli coming out was universally know the
number one.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Because Archie was a quarterback and and Peyton was in
the league, so you already had a track.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Right, right, and so he so he you know, over
the last year and a half, putting out a little
too much, saying a little too much, being a little
cute with the hell we ain't gonna, I ain't gonna say,
but we ain't gonna. They did put a little extra
bit on that as well. But I get I think I,
like many, was just dumbfounded that this guy who did
nothing but be productive his entire college career, all of
a sudden was a fifth rounder. And you got guys
who we literally when they got their name called with
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me quarterbacks and me other players me I picked over him.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
That's what made it crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox, we would't get as
many people in on this.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Where are you?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Was there some sort of conspiracy the NFL throughout the
said he was a boogeyman, don't draft him?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Or was he maybe just not that good?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
And we over and I mean we, the media and
people will put it out there over evaluated him.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
And the NFL was on a different page.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Not many teams were looking for quarterbacks and they didn't
want to waste picks high when they knew he wasn't.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Gonna be a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
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Speaker 4 (15:54):
Have with the show. All right?
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox s You Door
Sanders was pretty much the talk of the entire draft
all week in long your thoughts on it? What happened?
Why didn't he get drafted sooner? Was he drafted in
the right place? Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox
Who we.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Got Julio in Lancaster? You're in the couple of Fox Sports.
Where is that? Lancaster, Pennsylvania? Negatives California?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, sorry about that, Helmie for your homie. What's up Julio.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Well, that's gonna hurt me say this, But Rob, you're right.
But Kelvin you're always right.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
So it's a combination, the combination of all these points.
You could write an editorial essay on this stuff. Okay, yes,
he's not that talented. We're in a sense where when
he says Okay, he's going to be a franchise quarterback.
And yet they were sending a message figure to me
about guess what all these all you younger kids that
are you know, getting paid and all this other stuff
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and brashing out and being all brashing. I'm if you're
gonna regret that I'm not going to that you guys
don't pick me. They're just saying, no, no, we're bigger
than that. It's been done before and it's gonna be
done again.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
I just don't think there's some you know, od league wide.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
I don't I do, uh, Sean in Orlando like that.
I thought it was showing up in Sacramento. He was
gonna have Sean and Orlando. You're in the couple of
Fox Sports reader.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
Yeah, it's sewing it Orlando, Calvin listen. I agree with Rob.
I don't think there was any big conspiracy. I think
that his talent simply didn't our way all the talk.
I do think that part of it was Dion the
way he was young, things that he the things that
he's done in his past, you know, the whole I'm
gonna be drafted before I even get to you and
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stuff like that. So you know, sometimes this joint comes
back to bite you. Man, that's all it is. And
I think it's ridiculous that they even trying to pull
Race into it. When cam Wood and a guy from
Alabama about black right.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
No sense?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Come on, man, No, I know you didn't, but people
are throwing it out there and I'm like, look, that
makes no sense.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Right, that makes absolutely no sense. And then we right.
I mean, look, the majority of the people in the
first round drafted were black right. It's ridiculous, man. He
just wasn't up to snuff. For for for all the
talk that he was he was talking, I want you.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Know, mother, not up to snuff QB's taking. That's all
I like to say. It was some other qbs. It
wasn't snuffing nothing, and got drafted ahead of him, That's
all I'm saying. It wasn't like he was drafted to
Jay and Daniels ahead of him.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Doug in Maryland, you're on the yard couple of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
What's up, Doug?
Speaker 9 (18:35):
Hey, guys, good to have you are good. Thanks for
having me.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Sorry, no problem, buddy, Thanks for being a listener.
Speaker 9 (18:43):
I wish you could give me a couple of minutes,
because I really would like to elaborate.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
We can't give you a couple of minutes make your
best point, you know that.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
But look, you know he played at Colorado, Okay, he
doesn't play the schedule that the SEC plays. Okay. Now, look,
you know he's got his dad's blood. You know, he's
he's he's a Sanders. You know, he's gonna he's got
but he's got a stiff competition. You know, with the
other four quarterbacks up up in Cleveland. They're probably gonna
get rid of Watson, but he's gonna have to, you know,
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be competing during the preseason with three other guys. Okay,
you know a lot of things. Yeah he was accurate,
but he's only six two, all right. And you know,
and I don't think what Dion said matters a lot,
you know, because look, look you got to go all
the way back to eighty three. John Elway said he
would not play for the Baltimore Colts. He absolutely positively
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would not be.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
What you haven't but what are you having is what
are you having in his back pocket?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Though? Will you remember? Right the Yankees?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
The Yankees had a contract ready for John Elway and
so he had leverage. Dion had no lemon Dion, So
do I have no leverage? That was leverage? Eight seven
seven ninety nine on Fox Joe in Texas, you're in
the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
What's up, Joe?
Speaker 6 (19:56):
I think you were thinking my call fellas.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Yes, sir, Hey Lou, I do agree with.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Kelvin when you're gonna go apply for a job, any job.
First of all, playing in the nfls a privilege. But
if you're going to go apply for a job, you
don't go in there unprepared and then make it clear
that you know what I'm really here just uh, you know,
I'm going to go to your competitor anyway. So I'm
just here to just fulfill my obligation to a certain point.
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But in reality, I really don't want to be here
and to show you all, I'm gonna disrespect this anymore
by not coming in prepared. If you have questions for
me or you want to you know, Diagram plays on
the board there, So that's disrespectful.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Oh yeah, you're you're agreeing with me then, so.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
You're going with Rob Yeah, no, give me, I got.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Judge appreciate well here, Joe, thank you, Joe. You want
to squeeze it real quick, Tim and Cally. You're on
the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Quickly, Tim go Ken in California.
Speaker 10 (20:54):
And the only thing Rob's right about it all same
j ready for.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
Was right.
Speaker 10 (21:04):
Look at any draft. Before this draft was complete, you
got to round Sanders was in the first No worse
than the round black ball them?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
How they blackball him? He's in the league. He got
drafted because the first four rounds were black. Stop stop, yeah,
they're black ball them. They played clicking all right, can't
thank you, can't.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
I mean, he's like officially on my side, kidding like
it is a fiction.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Black ball and they and they drafted a black quarterback
to start the drive.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Oh wait, so white black ball is associated with black huh?
So you're trying to tell me a white man in
America can't be black?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Boss?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yes, what what comedy routine did you get that front?
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Nobody? You're lucky. Steve right now is looking at me.
He's ready to go. I was like, let's go.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
We got Adam Kaplan coming at Adam about to ask
Adam that Adam was what what's questionable about.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Sor talk about you only black people can be black bass.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
We want to know, I've just never heard of white
guy say, got black ball?
Speaker 4 (22:04):
What do you want to hear him?
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Men?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I got white ball at work? What do you mean, Steve?
What are they why I've heard black listed? Black? All right?
Black ball? This is you? Steve? Go ahead, yes, yeah, no,
we're past that.
Speaker 11 (22:19):
In the NBA playoffs, looks like Cleveland's.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Going to complete a four games sweet right? Is that ridiculous?
Speaker 11 (22:26):
It was thirty five to eight late in the first quarter, Embarrison,
It's now four minutes left in the second quarter. It's
sixty six twenty three, Cleveland leading at Miami. The heat
from three point range two for twenty. Miami was not
even a five hundred team in the regular season.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Use some Jimmy Butler, Hush, use some Jimmy. I don't
think even that would work tonight.
Speaker 11 (22:47):
Cleveland, by the way, with these four straight wins, I
don't put their record up to sixty eight and eighteen
on the season.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
So we coached a year. Kenny Yaki could be coase
postseason doesn't count.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
But but you know what I mean by what out
the way turn his team from where it was from
pretty good it's a great just good season.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
One seed. I'm with you.
Speaker 11 (23:09):
I'm with you could be Calves Pacers coming up in
the second round. Pacers whore up three games to one
against the Bucks in Milwaukee's Damian Lillard suffered at torn
achilles last night. He'll have surgery and next season could
be in doubt for him. Lili turns thirty five this summer.
Jimmy Butler or the Warriors could be returning tonight after
a fall last week. They are hopefully he plays his
Golden State host Houston at ten pm Eastern time. Warriors
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lead the first round best to seven, two games to one.
Two NHL playoff games tonight, late second period, Tampa Bay
up to one at Florida. The later game Colorado at Dallas.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
In an hour.
Speaker 11 (23:43):
The Penguins fired coach Mike Sullivan after ten seasons. The
Packers signed linebacker Isaiah Simmons, the brown side wide receiver
Deontay Johnson. Quarterback Sam Howell passed his physical with the Vikings.
The Mets are twenty and nine this season after winning
at Washington today nineteen to Brandon Nimmo with two homers
nine RBIs. The Twins are leading eleven to one at
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Cleveland in the top of the eighth. The Orioles are
shutting out the Yankees for nothing. In the seventh inning.
Orioles starting pitcher to Miyuki Sugano went five scoreless innings
with eight strikeouts. Red's lead the Cardinals three to one
bottom of the seventh inning.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
And among the Lake games.
Speaker 11 (24:22):
Well, Dodgers will be hosting Miami dustin May on the mound.
Pitcher Tyler Glassnew will likely go on the IL for
LA and pitcher Blakesnew already hurt back to you, all right.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Steve, thank you so much. We would never ightball you, Steve.
We appreciate you. All right.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
We mentioned Adam Kaplyn get ready to join us have
some more conversations about just the draft and where the
league is going from here. Adam Kaplan of course you
can find him at cap Kaplan NFL on X in
a Fox Sports Radio NFL insider, Alan, what's up man,
how you doing?
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Guys? Could be with you? Yes, man, please?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I thought this was I thought the coverage was embarrassing
to me, like people were personally hurt that d that
Chaudor wasn't drafted in the first round or second round.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
What was that about?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Please?
Speaker 12 (25:10):
Well, Okay, so I was doing television for a company
called Sports Squad, so I'm aware of it, but I
didn't hear it because I was on TV pretty much.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
I was ready to get at some people. Yeah I
heard about that.
Speaker 12 (25:22):
Yeah, look, let me explain kinda You know, I hand
it on FSR for about four six weeks it shoulder
is probably not gonna be a first round pick.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 12 (25:33):
I thought he'd get I thought it's somehow we get
there by late second, early third.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
That didn't happen. So let me give you all my intel,
everything that I have on this. Please all right.
Speaker 12 (25:42):
So from a tape study standpoint, this is just the
all twenty two. That's the most important factor when you
evaluate a quarterback, Okay, or any player. Uh he he
had he had he had second round tape. Okay, maybe
mid to late good enough to draft as a as
a middle of the road starter. Okay, so that should
have gotten him drafted earlier than the fifth round. Now
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you got to take into everything account, particularly when you
have a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
How committed is he?
Speaker 12 (26:11):
I could tell you from when I got got today
and over the weekend. Uh, and you guys, I heard
you before I came on.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
It's true.
Speaker 12 (26:20):
He was very he was very unprepared for a lot
of interviews, whether it was at the Combine pre draft
interview a.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
White board for coaches, right, what's that a white board?
Speaker 12 (26:29):
Or that's legit, that's I'm told that's actually true. You know,
I usually don't calm on that stuff that's out there,
just go by what I have, But I could tell
you that that's true. He seemed disinterested, like he he
just kind of came in entitled, like he knew he
we thought he was going to be a top pick.
It makes no sense because he's Deion Sanderson, a Hall
(26:49):
of Fame player and a coach, a really good head
coach and college football that that I don't understand. I'm
that I.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Wish I would, you know.
Speaker 12 (26:57):
I know Dion said what he said before the Brown
picked him, and he made a lot of comments that
were that's also, by the way, part of this small
part of it where I think clubs are turned kind
of some clubs are kind of turned off of Okay,
what kind of side show we inheriting here? Now you
add it all up, he's gonna drop and you're gonna
he's gonna drop to a round where there's very little
(27:18):
risks from a club. A fifth round pick, by the way,
never expected to start. That is, you're already in the
backup I called backup rounds, fourth round and on, particularly
mid fourth round and on.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
They're all backup rounds. That's the way it is.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
That's why I heard a stat and I think it
was kyper So that guys drafted in the I don't
know if it's fourth and fifth or fifth round, oh,
for forty three becoming a starting quarterback like like like
something like that that you don't.
Speaker 12 (27:44):
Like ever or right when you get drafted. Kirk Cousins starters.
So and he was a fourth throw.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Yeah, it was. It was some number like that in
the fifth Low. No, it's low, man, really low.
Speaker 12 (27:54):
It's a shame should or did this to himself. I
I I there's a lot. I didn't know about his
situation and how he handled himself until this weekend because
I was on TV. So it was like, listen, I
gotta get more information here, and right, I'm kind of surprised.
I'm I'm because this is such a bad draft for quarterbacks.
I've been talking about this stuff for four months and
(28:14):
it's kind of turned out how it's been. And when
you got a twenty six year old quarterback Tyler Shuck
getting drafted with Shuder centers, that kind of tells you
where you were at here.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yeah, but Adam, Adam kaplan our guests here.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
So then if you're okay, Kelvin thinks is a conspiracy,
Let Kelvin say it not a conspiracy.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
But I do, and some of it is what Adam
just said. I do buy that. There is something about, hey, man,
you're kind of the kid. You have all this money.
Maybe you feel like you're time to Maybe you'll come
in with a little bit of two and for all
you other nil.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Having part of it. Man, yes, thank you.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
If you have talent, Adam, I hear you're You're right.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
If he's a top ten talent, clearly everybody he's not
a top ten talent.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Definitely was what I'm.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Saying is Adam's whole point, which was most people is
that he was a late first round okay, maybe second round,
definitely early third. That's a range. And for you to
drop the fifth and quarterbacks we haven't even heard of
go ahead of you all of a sudden. That shows
to me there's extra motives.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
What's up motives?
Speaker 12 (29:18):
It's they don't they deal with motivation or motives from clubs.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
They don't trust the players. And that's what I'm saying.
So I think all of this, and I think there's
yet and I think there's a lesson to be but
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
This is a message. But but this is the Adam.
This is what I pushed back on that they got
some Roger Goodell send a memo, we're gonna teach these
kids coming out of college with an il money and all.
This has nothing to do with that. It's just that
he did not do what he was supposed to do
with the talent that he has. And I'm talking about
(29:50):
being a second or third or fourth round pick of
whatever you want to pick the spot, and he didn't
do the other stuff to endear himself to people.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Adam, what I'm saying, I do believe and agree that
he overestimated his rank. I do believe that I do,
and thinking that, you know, if worse comes the worse,
I'll be the twenty first pick to Pittsburgh or something
like that.
Speaker 12 (30:11):
But Calvin, think of it this way though, Okay, the
most important position in sports, right, if you go you know,
if you're drafted in the first two rounds, you're expected
to start by the new rookie contract.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
You're going to be a leader.
Speaker 12 (30:23):
And you come in with this entitlement like I'm the man,
and you know I could do whatever. I won't like
who does this is ridiculous. This is year twenty seven
for me covering this business, right. I look Geno Smith,
by the way. Gino Smith was going to be the
Eagles quarterback in twenty thirteen until Chip Kelly and the
EGST front office traveled to West Virginia to meet with
(30:43):
him for the pro day. He had a terrible interview.
You didn't pay attention. They took they decaid they weren't
going to draft him. I don't understand. I just don't
understand the attitude of this flayer just shut or I
just being Dan Sun. It's just I can't get over this.
I didn't I'll be honest with you. I'll I'll give
you another nugget. I didn't believe this when I heard
some stuff Thursday, this this can't be true. And then
(31:03):
I dug in and the more people I trust told me,
and they had similar stories and like, wow, how.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Do we you notice this?
Speaker 12 (31:10):
And I'm not saying anyone try to barry store, just
the reporters are going to dig when when they know
a guy's dropping, they want to know.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
We want to it's our gilt, right right, why? I
want to know why?
Speaker 12 (31:19):
But Rob, you've been you've been doing reporting in years
for you know, I met you at the Combine in
probably twenty five years. Were sitting next to each other
because you're working with one of the trip papers.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Ye, So you know, man, you know the way this
stuff is. It's just the way sports is.
Speaker 12 (31:34):
If you don't do your job, particularly at the most
important position in sports, you're gonna drop.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
That's just the way it is. All right.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
What about what about anything else that happened in the
draft that you like? Was there a particular maybe even
team that you like. Maybe it's Cleveland. A lot of
people have Keeland Cleveland getting a plus close draft.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Yeah, I'll say this about Cleveland. Okay.
Speaker 12 (31:50):
Now, we also didn't talk about the fact that they
now have five quarterbacks and for.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Us, what in the world.
Speaker 12 (31:54):
Yes, I know, well, Watson's highly unlikely to play this season.
But let me explain something about Shador before we move
on from him.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
So they got five quarterbacks.
Speaker 12 (32:05):
Let's let's remove Watson, right, he's probably not gonna play
Flacco one year deal.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Can he pick it on the fun Ears rookie deal.
So that's three quarterbacks.
Speaker 12 (32:13):
You've got Shadoor and you've and you've got Dylan Gabriel
who's a very small framed under six feet quarterback.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
I did see it. It's suitable. He had a good week.
But he doesn't possess Shador's talent.
Speaker 12 (32:26):
So if Shadoor does everything, if he gets if he
feels humbled, he better be and he's got the right
attitude and he wants to work. When they're eliminated the playoff,
which should be runs fourteen, fifteen or sixteen, he might
wind up starting folks late in the season, So he.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Could have if he put to the right situation.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
To be honest with you, yeah, I mean, I just
think people were so caught up on where he got
drafted instead of knowing that they were only like three
or four teams that really you and I have said that,
yeah that needed a quarterback. So so all those other
teams that were passing over him, they didn't have a
quarterback need.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
That's what people need to understand. Right.
Speaker 12 (33:03):
Yeah, But see I would say this with Cleveland, right,
do they need another quarterback? No, But there becomes a
point where a talented quarterback like Shrewer Sanders.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Is a value And what do you have to lose
drafting in the fifth round? Right?
Speaker 12 (33:15):
Just look the other team. I thought the two teams
that I felt over the weekend before he was drafted
made sense for Cleveland and Miami. Miami because Zach Wilson's
the backup of Miami's not been very good until it
gets hurt a lot.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
So But I I but.
Speaker 12 (33:30):
In terms of having a chance to not only make
the team, but to move up to depth, Charty he's
in a great spot. He just we'll see, we'll see. Look,
we're gonna learn a lot about him, and I look forward.
I I'm gonna go to the Browns camp this summer.
I've been in a couple. Oh, they'll also be in
Philly where I am. Actually they're coming in for a
joint practice. I know there's their coach stet pretty well.
(33:50):
So I look forward to seeing and then hearing about
what in person, how shouldor ishading himself. But this actually
has a chance to be a much better story for
should Dour than he probably thought.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
And I think that's his mindset going in.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
And I maybe listen hopefully in all of us, you me,
Rob everybody, there's less life lessons to be learning in
different situations.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
And you gotta be careful, Like you got to know
where you fit in, you know what I mean, Like
you really do. It's like I told you, Adam, for
a million years, I've told this story, tattoo from Fantasy Island. Right,
he's on a he's on a network television show, all
the stuff. Right, he goes in and wants equal pay
(34:28):
as Ricardo Montlebaum. Now you got to understand, like what
where you fit in? Going and and and he right,
he supporting, right, he demands like this this deal and
they get rid of them.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yeah, you know you know that story? How heck do
you know that story?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Because it's like it's the most ridiculous story. If I'm
his agent, I said, it's true.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I remember reading that like decades ago.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, that's if I'm his agent, I'm like, unless they
remake The Wizard of there's no gig for you.
Speaker 12 (35:03):
So Tattooing Fantasy Island his real name was herve. Yes, yes,
and I should know this, but I know this, and
he was I mean he was a big player, but
actually had an important part for he had a supporting part.
Ricardo Montzablant was the star that show. Yeah, he held
just got to.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Know where your bit he should be held out for
more money? Yeah, I doing. He wound up doing.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Hell yeah, he wound up doing dunkin Donuts commercials.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
And you know what his line was in the dunkin
Donut commercial. No, I don't know this. Then asked like,
what what kind should I get? The plane? The plane?
I remember that in the plane? Yeah?
Speaker 12 (35:39):
All right, Oh you believe this, Adam? You thought I
thought you never know what you're gonna hear on the audience.
I thought it was going off the wall. When we
talked about white ball instead of black balls. I barely
heard that.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
I'm like, what this rob apparently thinks only black people
can be black, just saying I never heard of white guy?
And I said, what do they need to be called
white ball to the black the white person's black ball?
Speaker 6 (36:00):
All right?
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Get out? Thank you, Adam?
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Any crazy? I don't know if that's possible. All right,
are the NBA refs getting it wrong or right. We'll
tell you see couple of Fox Sports Radio, I was wrong.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
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Speaker 5 (36:28):
Fox Sports Radio. We had a huge debate about this.
This one went really viral, Alex. People needed answers on
its great. It's not that he's not, but everyone else was.
Somebody had to go. It's the ocuple Robin Kevin on
the Magic City Monday. I didn't want to get your
thoughts on his rob There's been some questionable call, some
(36:48):
challenging calls for referees.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Don't do that, don't do that.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Goodness, No, see there you go up to the Pitsiness is
why could you look at from a nickstandpoint a game
in which they participated, a call was made that the
NBA had to come out and say, oops are bad.
It was a foul happened to be Pistons. I didn't
even notice it was the Pistons till you just brought
it up.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Please you cry. I just hoped to sleep last night.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
No, honestly, you should know me well enough to know
while that was a bad call, that was Calvin.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
They and your daughters were like do we mommy, do
we have another baby?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
We don't know about baby baby. That's just your daddy.
The Pistols lost, Yes, No.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
I was more mad that they they lost that game.
Jayalen brought more so than the call. Kind of like
how the Lakers like, okay, some reasons.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
A final.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
We got Luca and I got Lebron. We gotta find
a way to win this, especially losing game three. Similar
thing with me with the Pistons. You're up seven, eight nine,
had you looking good, playing well. You let Jalen brunts
to come back out of the you know, the tunnel
and go crazy on you and carling Town's have a
good game too.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
So my issue was.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Actually Kate had two open shots and a turnover, like
there was there was one shot there, you know that
like at the foul line.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I mean he had a clean that's a shot. He
got exactly the shot we want.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
But but I do want to go back to the
larger because we have this conversation that we had it
with Steve too, just about sports. Where do you want
romps to be able to have you know, the the
ball strike call with the robots. A do you want
to have in the NBA where like the last second
shot like that questionable call file or not be reviewed
because then it looks crazy, Oh our bad? That was
(38:25):
a file, like we literally what does it do? Like,
how does that help the Knicks? Maybe their fans feel robbed,
like man, they're gonna act like we stole the game
if you're a Piston player or fai like, man, we
knew we would have won this game. We got three
free throws, we're only down one.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
But you could do this on like, there are other
plays that are instrumental, not just the last play the game.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
There might have been an So that's what I mean.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Anything under a minute out of bounds a file, what
if that changes the game?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
I'm just saying, like, like I the only thing I
don't agree with is the report that they put out
to let people know. Uh the pool reporter talking everybody
and getting a comment. They said when they watched the tape,
they felt like there was contact enough for contact to
call a foul. But I don't want games changed after
the fact that once people have left, there's nothing you
(39:12):
can do. So I don't know if I really want
I don't even know if I really want them to admit.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
That it was you start Tim Hardaway Junior starting a
game five, he gets three free throws, he makes them.
They win the game. Now, all of a sudden, it's
a two to two series. That's what I wanted on that.
Steve likes that idea too. Steve, just don't listen. Don't listen, listen, list.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Give him us three free throws right now? What is it?
Is it? Two to two? Three? One? Oh? Is it? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (39:38):
And the Pistons, like the Lakers have outplayed the Knicks threequarters.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
About winning.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
So the Lakers in this tide, they are similar, should
be more upset because they got to experience Luca Lebron.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Guys, everybody picked them for the NBA final. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
And Pistons they're learning. You talked about earlier. Cade's learning,
you got it tough en up, you gotta fight through.
And Jaylen Bronson showed him that. But it's not over
size ten js.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
I want him.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I ain't say nothing about no Jays. I'm just waiting
an over ripe three free throws.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
I want them
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and some other stuff, give us some more insight, but
that's where we're gonna go this hour. Kelvina talk about
what happened with Shador Sanders, the shock of going in
the fifth round, all the other stuff, and all the
crazy conspiracies that were out there, very abundant and I'm
(01:24):
gonna say this. I thought the draft coverage was the
worst I've ever seen it. I And we mentioned this
the other day, so many analysts like took it personally.
Do you know what I mean? Like like I like
the NFL and drafting quarterbacks and who goes in this
(01:44):
like like it's.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
It's not an exact science. They're wrong. And guys, Tom
Brady has seven Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You drafted a sixth round, Like, it's not whoever's drafted
the first round automatically gonna be great. And it's how
many busts, first overall picks, first round quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Josh Rosen had.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
A cup of coffee in the suite roll in Arizona
one year.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
It happens both sides of the guys. We didn't see
coming that, you guys, let Tom Brady go sit. Guys,
we thought was the end all be all?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
But I gotta say this, the Sanders family, Dion and
Should they're to blame for this as well. And what
I mean by that is they thought that they were
going to run this Like Dion was the one who
(02:39):
said he's going to be a top five pick, right, Okay, yeah,
all right? He even they have interviews and quotes where
he's like, if I'm a young quarterback, I wouldn't want
to go to Cleveland. That's where they all die there
or something, you know like that. Also talked about teams
that he wouldn't allow Shador to play. Okay, so all
(03:03):
that plus Chador blew off some interview Chador h you know,
went in they said, you know that the stuff that
he was unprepared to do, the whiteboard, all kinds of stuff,
and people went, Okay, I guess he You know, we
don't look at you as a first round talent, so
we're not gonna draft in the second round or first
(03:25):
or second round. And have you think that we think
you're going to be a starting quarterback or franchise quarterback,
because that's the worst thing you could do is draft
a guy too high thinking that, oh, I'm this is
my team, I'm gonna be that guy.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
They didn't look at him like that.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Even going to the Browns, they passed him over four
times before they picked them with their uh.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Was it their fifth pick?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Four times and and I just it was mishandled this
idea at the NFL. They were trying to humble and
put them in his place. That's all poppy cock, boulder
dash and nonsense. It's just as nonsense. You're a general manager,
a coach and you have a talent there. You're trying
(04:15):
to hold onto your gig. You're trying to win games.
Come on, man, do not buy into that that you're
not going to draft somebody who can help you win.
You are going to do that. And then the race thing.
There are no black general managers, are okay? Is Mike
(04:35):
Tomlin black? Did Mike Tomlin have a chance to draft him?
He sure did what he say, No, I'll pass. I'm
not saying it's all on him. But there's a black coach.
Tom Brady's his mentor. That was that what they're calling
tom Brady or friend or something. You know, they worked out.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Together all that. The Raiders passed them over. Tom Brady's shador.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Tom Brady, he knows quarterback talent, doesn't he? Tom Brady
if he worked out with him through the football with him, right,
he could have said, are you kidding me? He's available,
Let's make it happen. We have our quarterback for the future.
The Raiders don't have a quarterback. Why wouldn't Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Took up take him.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
This had nothing to do with anything other than he
wasn't viewed as a top tier quarterback and they didn't
want to waste a high pick and decided later there
were only really three or four teams that needed a quarterback,
so that limited the scope.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Would you agree? Yeah? That to me.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Of most things that you said, I agree with the most.
I do believe that this wasn't a year where there
were several, you know, eight, nine, twelve teams that needed quarterbacks.
I do agree with that. I will push back on
a couple of things. I do believe that there were
a couple of things that play here. Number one, I
think the reason why you saw some people I know
Mal Kuiper and I know we'll talked about that a
little bit more specifically, And why some other people saw
(06:09):
Lewis Rick, I saw the people genuinely frustrated, upset and
obviously fans and people are you know, who.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Are covering the sport.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I'm sorry to be personally, but let me just say
that I'm gonna let you go. Yeah that that's because
you might be friends with Dion, you can't have a
personal like like the idea that mel Kiper could get
on the air and say, the NFL doesn't know how
to uh value evaluate quarterback and they haven't been able
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to do it for fifty years.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
It's a joke, but it's not a joke when they
look at the percentage though, Like, that's what we just said.
He's absolutely right that most of the time beginning.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
But that's what I know.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
It's what I'm saying so in theory, and he put
extra sauce on it. But I think why he put
extra sauce on it was because, like a lot of people,
for him, I have a value this for thirty to
forty However, many years, I've never seen a guy who
so many people in our conversations, in our text exchange
and our meetups and are having coffees valuate this guy here.
(07:11):
Not that a lot of people he he's not a
top five, not top ten. Hey, he's not a first rounder.
He's probably a second rounder. To see a guy go
from not really a first round, maybe late first round,
second to maybe to fifth specifically at the most important position,
that is probably why he put extra sauce on his emotions,
how he felt, and why so many people did that.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
And Louis Rene I can go down the line.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Because people were like, wait a minute, if you've all
told me he's the first hold.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
You that did NFL people tell you that. That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
White male Conin probably felt away because he's having conversation literally,
he's talking to his peers who do this, and if
most people are saying, I don't agree with the top ten,
he's definitely not a first rounderup but for sure second
round off the round, and for him to drop fifth
and they get to the fifth round and again not
only drop to the fifth round, be the fifth quarterback
selected when we had heard of universally he was around
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the third maybe not first, maybe not second, probably third.
That's why it was so com so third.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
To fifth made people lose their mind.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I'll tell you why. So fair point.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
He said that in another year to fifth, where there's
a bunch of draft quarterbacks, their quarterbacks weren't great.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Even the reach for three wasn't great.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
I mean, dude, you're talking about quarterbacks that weren't fantastic.
This isn't a quarterback season or draft where there was
loaded with legit real quarterbacks. So even a third pick
dart or a second pick is like oh, okay, and
on down the line until you get to Shador. Also,
when you just talk about there's things to be left desired,
I can completely understand that, Right.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Is he walking around like Andrew Luck.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
No, but we've had plenty of people who were drafted
way higher than him who had left things to be
desired Johnny Manzell, Ryan Lee, JaMarcus Russell, Trey Lance. There
was a reach, Zach Wilson was a reach. Matt Looner
we talk about, so there are other plan.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
And wasn't a reach. I mean he made a mistake by.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Not well, no, no, no, not a reason. I'm those two
were reached. I'm saying with deficiencies. They're saying, well, his
arm might not be the greatest. That was what they
were saying about mattline arm not the strongest. So I'm
saying there were deficiencies. Again, he's not Andrew Luck. Nobody's
saying that. But when you look at the productivity, that's
where it also didn't match. The dude is fourteenth in
NCAAD one history with fourteen hundred, three hundred and forty
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three passing yards.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
He is the first two.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
He's only one of two qbs to have fourteen thousand
yards while completing over seventy percent of his passes, and
then he had a nine to one touchdown the interception ratio.
He went bar for bar, as they say in rat world,
but passed a pass with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
He had no offensive line.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
So that's where people are like, well, dang, I'm not
saying he's the greatest, but to drop like that. And
I think there's something last point I'll make here. I
do think there's a part of this that absolutely said
the kid who has it all and all these other
kids coming nil money, making big money, got a name,
got millions of followers, and he might have had a
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little extra bravado and swaggering a little bit of confidence.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I believe that.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I absolutely believe that. And I do think there was
a message being sent. Don't come in here, a message
I'm about to tell you. Don't come in here with
all that. This is the NFL. We were bigger before you,
during you, and after you, and don't come in here
with all that.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I'm the man, I'm.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
The one an extra bravado, extra arrogance, extra confidence. Just
because you got already got millions dollars in the bank,
just because you got millions of followers and shows on
all types of networks and all that we still run
this thing. And I absolutely believe that was not only
for NFL coming into the league, but also college. All
your young folks like the young quarterback who left Tennessee.
(10:37):
Hold on, everybody just trying to go get more money
and do all that. Hold on, And I think a
message was made because again it just logically didn't make sense.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Nobody's saying he had the time.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Disagree. I totally disagree. You don't even have any evidence.
And people keep saying unless you where's your evidence that
the NFL circulated, Like, seriously, you could speculate all you want,
but I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Be very clear.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
This is one hundred percent Calvin Washington's objective speculating a
thousand percent. This is me watching, saying, noticing trends, wonding
what the kid happened in college a week or two
before the kid the quarterback from Tennessee, and noticing conversations.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
And I just think there's absolutely with all the.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Guys who lose jobs in the NFL because they don't win.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Okay, seriously, you.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Can't tell me that somebody really believes he's a franchise quarterback,
and the NFL told you not to draft him, okay,
because his receivers got drafted right and everybody else who
around him, And you're gonna tell me that they're really
gonna be like, oh yeah, don't draft him. But the
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Browns did draft him. If you told me he didn't
get drafted at all, or or nobody signed him as
a free agent or whatever, maybe I would buy that
there's some sort of black ball thing. But he did
get drafted. You're just not happy where he got. He said,
black ball rob a message big? But what's who?
Speaker 6 (12:04):
Who?
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Who was the message? Was this? Roger good Dat? Who
is that from? Tell me?
Speaker 5 (12:10):
I'm telling you front officers who say, kid, don't come
in here acting like you're haughty or.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Better than Deon Sender.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
This is what happens when you're not If he were
Andrew Luck, Cam Newton when he was coming out, uh,
you know Baker, some of these obviously, or Trevor Lawrence
when they feel like you're the one, this wouldn't matter.
He could come in whatever you wanted. He could have
been five minutes late because you're that talent. We know
that in life, in any profession talent. Superseeds a lot.
So I agree he would have been drafted despite anything
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anybody said.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
If he were that type of talent, what what type
of time?
Speaker 5 (12:41):
And I agree with that, but that's where people are
confusing because Okay, if he's a second, if he's a second,
third round pick, and all this other stuff, well, I
have no problem letting him slide the fifth in to
make it a point, because if he's not, it's not.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
A point because they did draft him that Browns. I
still gotta draft seven people.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, but they I still gotta I didn't have.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
To draft thirty two teams seven rounds. Somebody's gonna grab.
But they didn't have to.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
And the whole thing is that they did draft him,
and finally they were like, Okay, that's for that value
of a guy that we don't expect to be this
kind of quarterback. That that's the reason you wait, because
you could say, well, he might be that fit.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I agree you need other players first, we don't need
a quarterback there.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I agree with you on that.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
I said, this wasn't the year of like, uh, you know,
seven legit real, five legit, real quarterbacks, last weight, real quick.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I do believe that Dion might have put.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
A little too much out there about you know, we
ain't going here, remember a little sex and your windows.
He wasn't Eli talent. Now, obviously, career, we never know
what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
That's life. But Eli coming out was universally know the
number one.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Because Archie was a quarterback and and Peyton was in
the league, so you already had a track.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Right, right, and so he so he you know, over
the last year and a half, putting out a little
too much, saying a little too much, being a little
cute with the hell we ain't gonna, I ain't gonna say,
but we ain't gonna. They did put a little extra
bit on that as well. But I get I think I,
like many, was just dumbfounded that this guy who did
nothing but be productive his entire college career, all of
a sudden was a fifth rounder. And you got guys
who we literally when they got their name called with
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me quarterbacks and me other players me I picked over him.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
That's what made it crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox, we would't get as
many people in on this.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Where are you?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Was there some sort of conspiracy the NFL throughout the
said he was a boogeyman, don't draft him?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Or was he maybe just not that good?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
And we over and I mean we, the media and
people will put it out there over evaluated him.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
And the NFL was on a different page.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Not many teams were looking for quarterbacks and they didn't
want to waste picks high when they knew he wasn't.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Gonna be a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
You don't have to take him there eight seven, seven
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Speaker 4 (15:54):
Have with the show. All right?
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox s You Door
Sanders was pretty much the talk of the entire draft
all week in long your thoughts on it? What happened?
Why didn't he get drafted sooner? Was he drafted in
the right place? Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox
Who we.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Got Julio in Lancaster? You're in the couple of Fox Sports.
Where is that? Lancaster, Pennsylvania? Negatives California?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, sorry about that, Helmie for your homie. What's up Julio.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Well, that's gonna hurt me say this, But Rob, you're right.
But Kelvin you're always right.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
So it's a combination, the combination of all these points.
You could write an editorial essay on this stuff. Okay, yes,
he's not that talented. We're in a sense where when
he says Okay, he's going to be a franchise quarterback.
And yet they were sending a message figure to me
about guess what all these all you younger kids that
are you know, getting paid and all this other stuff
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and brashing out and being all brashing. I'm if you're
gonna regret that I'm not going to that you guys
don't pick me. They're just saying, no, no, we're bigger
than that. It's been done before and it's gonna be
done again.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
I just don't think there's some you know, od league wide.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
I don't I do, uh, Sean in Orlando like that.
I thought it was showing up in Sacramento. He was
gonna have Sean and Orlando. You're in the couple of
Fox Sports reader.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
Yeah, it's sewing it Orlando, Calvin listen. I agree with Rob.
I don't think there was any big conspiracy. I think
that his talent simply didn't our way all the talk.
I do think that part of it was Dion the
way he was young, things that he the things that
he's done in his past, you know, the whole I'm
gonna be drafted before I even get to you and
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stuff like that. So you know, sometimes this joint comes
back to bite you. Man, that's all it is. And
I think it's ridiculous that they even trying to pull
Race into it. When cam Wood and a guy from
Alabama about black right.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
No sense?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Come on, man, No, I know you didn't, but people
are throwing it out there and I'm like, look, that
makes no sense.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Right, that makes absolutely no sense. And then we right.
I mean, look, the majority of the people in the
first round drafted were black right. It's ridiculous, man. He
just wasn't up to snuff. For for for all the
talk that he was he was talking, I want you.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Know, mother, not up to snuff QB's taking. That's all
I like to say. It was some other qbs. It
wasn't snuffing nothing, and got drafted ahead of him, That's
all I'm saying. It wasn't like he was drafted to
Jay and Daniels ahead of him.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Doug in Maryland, you're on the yard couple of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
What's up, Doug?
Speaker 9 (18:35):
Hey, guys, good to have you are good. Thanks for
having me.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Sorry, no problem, buddy, Thanks for being a listener.
Speaker 9 (18:43):
I wish you could give me a couple of minutes,
because I really would like to elaborate.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
We can't give you a couple of minutes make your
best point, you know that.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
But look, you know he played at Colorado, Okay, he
doesn't play the schedule that the SEC plays. Okay. Now, look,
you know he's got his dad's blood. You know, he's
he's he's a Sanders. You know, he's gonna he's got
but he's got a stiff competition. You know, with the
other four quarterbacks up up in Cleveland. They're probably gonna
get rid of Watson, but he's gonna have to, you know,
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be competing during the preseason with three other guys. Okay,
you know a lot of things. Yeah he was accurate,
but he's only six two, all right. And you know,
and I don't think what Dion said matters a lot,
you know, because look, look you got to go all
the way back to eighty three. John Elway said he
would not play for the Baltimore Colts. He absolutely positively
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would not be.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
What you haven't but what are you having is what
are you having in his back pocket?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Though? Will you remember? Right the Yankees?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
The Yankees had a contract ready for John Elway and
so he had leverage. Dion had no lemon Dion, So
do I have no leverage? That was leverage? Eight seven
seven ninety nine on Fox Joe in Texas, you're in
the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
What's up, Joe?
Speaker 6 (19:56):
I think you were thinking my call fellas.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Yes, sir, Hey Lou, I do agree with.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Kelvin when you're gonna go apply for a job, any job.
First of all, playing in the nfls a privilege. But
if you're going to go apply for a job, you
don't go in there unprepared and then make it clear
that you know what I'm really here just uh, you know,
I'm going to go to your competitor anyway. So I'm
just here to just fulfill my obligation to a certain point.
(20:22):
But in reality, I really don't want to be here
and to show you all, I'm gonna disrespect this anymore
by not coming in prepared. If you have questions for
me or you want to you know, Diagram plays on
the board there, So that's disrespectful.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Oh yeah, you're you're agreeing with me then, so.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
You're going with Rob Yeah, no, give me, I got.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Judge appreciate well here, Joe, thank you, Joe. You want
to squeeze it real quick, Tim and Cally. You're on
the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Quickly, Tim go Ken in California.
Speaker 10 (20:54):
And the only thing Rob's right about it all same
j ready for.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
Was right.
Speaker 10 (21:04):
Look at any draft. Before this draft was complete, you
got to round Sanders was in the first No worse
than the round black ball them?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
How they blackball him? He's in the league. He got
drafted because the first four rounds were black. Stop stop, yeah,
they're black ball them. They played clicking all right, can't
thank you, can't.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
I mean, he's like officially on my side, kidding like
it is a fiction.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Black ball and they and they drafted a black quarterback
to start the drive.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Oh wait, so white black ball is associated with black huh?
So you're trying to tell me a white man in
America can't be black?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Boss?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yes, what what comedy routine did you get that front?
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Nobody? You're lucky. Steve right now is looking at me.
He's ready to go. I was like, let's go.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
We got Adam Kaplan coming at Adam about to ask
Adam that Adam was what what's questionable about.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Sor talk about you only black people can be black bass.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
We want to know, I've just never heard of white
guy say, got black ball?
Speaker 4 (22:04):
What do you want to hear him?
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Men?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I got white ball at work? What do you mean, Steve?
What are they why I've heard black listed? Black? All right?
Black ball? This is you? Steve? Go ahead, yes, yeah, no,
we're past that.
Speaker 11 (22:19):
In the NBA playoffs, looks like Cleveland's.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Going to complete a four games sweet right? Is that ridiculous?
Speaker 11 (22:26):
It was thirty five to eight late in the first quarter, Embarrison,
It's now four minutes left in the second quarter. It's
sixty six twenty three, Cleveland leading at Miami. The heat
from three point range two for twenty. Miami was not
even a five hundred team in the regular season.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Use some Jimmy Butler, Hush, use some Jimmy. I don't
think even that would work tonight.
Speaker 11 (22:47):
Cleveland, by the way, with these four straight wins, I
don't put their record up to sixty eight and eighteen
on the season.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
So we coached a year. Kenny Yaki could be coase
postseason doesn't count.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
But but you know what I mean by what out
the way turn his team from where it was from
pretty good it's a great just good season.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
One seed. I'm with you.
Speaker 11 (23:09):
I'm with you could be Calves Pacers coming up in
the second round. Pacers whore up three games to one
against the Bucks in Milwaukee's Damian Lillard suffered at torn
achilles last night. He'll have surgery and next season could
be in doubt for him. Lili turns thirty five this summer.
Jimmy Butler or the Warriors could be returning tonight after
a fall last week. They are hopefully he plays his
Golden State host Houston at ten pm Eastern time. Warriors
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lead the first round best to seven, two games to one.
Two NHL playoff games tonight, late second period, Tampa Bay
up to one at Florida. The later game Colorado at Dallas.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
In an hour.
Speaker 11 (23:43):
The Penguins fired coach Mike Sullivan after ten seasons. The
Packers signed linebacker Isaiah Simmons, the brown side wide receiver
Deontay Johnson. Quarterback Sam Howell passed his physical with the Vikings.
The Mets are twenty and nine this season after winning
at Washington today nineteen to Brandon Nimmo with two homers
nine RBIs. The Twins are leading eleven to one at
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Cleveland in the top of the eighth. The Orioles are
shutting out the Yankees for nothing. In the seventh inning.
Orioles starting pitcher to Miyuki Sugano went five scoreless innings
with eight strikeouts. Red's lead the Cardinals three to one
bottom of the seventh inning.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
And among the Lake games.
Speaker 11 (24:22):
Well, Dodgers will be hosting Miami dustin May on the mound.
Pitcher Tyler Glassnew will likely go on the IL for
LA and pitcher Blakesnew already hurt back to you, all right.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Steve, thank you so much. We would never ightball you, Steve.
We appreciate you. All right.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
We mentioned Adam Kaplyn get ready to join us have
some more conversations about just the draft and where the
league is going from here. Adam Kaplan of course you
can find him at cap Kaplan NFL on X in
a Fox Sports Radio NFL insider, Alan, what's up man,
how you doing?
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Guys? Could be with you? Yes, man, please?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I thought this was I thought the coverage was embarrassing
to me, like people were personally hurt that d that
Chaudor wasn't drafted in the first round or second round.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
What was that about?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Please?
Speaker 12 (25:10):
Well, Okay, so I was doing television for a company
called Sports Squad, so I'm aware of it, but I
didn't hear it because I was on TV pretty much.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
I was ready to get at some people. Yeah I
heard about that.
Speaker 12 (25:22):
Yeah, look, let me explain kinda You know, I hand
it on FSR for about four six weeks it shoulder
is probably not gonna be a first round pick.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 12 (25:33):
I thought he'd get I thought it's somehow we get
there by late second, early third.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
That didn't happen. So let me give you all my intel,
everything that I have on this. Please all right.
Speaker 12 (25:42):
So from a tape study standpoint, this is just the
all twenty two. That's the most important factor when you
evaluate a quarterback, Okay, or any player. Uh he he
had he had he had second round tape. Okay, maybe
mid to late good enough to draft as a as
a middle of the road starter. Okay, so that should
have gotten him drafted earlier than the fifth round. Now
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you got to take into everything account, particularly when you
have a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
How committed is he?
Speaker 12 (26:11):
I could tell you from when I got got today
and over the weekend. Uh, and you guys, I heard
you before I came on.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
It's true.
Speaker 12 (26:20):
He was very he was very unprepared for a lot
of interviews, whether it was at the Combine pre draft
interview a.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
White board for coaches, right, what's that a white board?
Speaker 12 (26:29):
Or that's legit, that's I'm told that's actually true. You know,
I usually don't calm on that stuff that's out there,
just go by what I have, But I could tell
you that that's true. He seemed disinterested, like he he
just kind of came in entitled, like he knew he
we thought he was going to be a top pick.
It makes no sense because he's Deion Sanderson, a Hall
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of Fame player and a coach, a really good head
coach and college football that that I don't understand. I'm
that I.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Wish I would, you know.
Speaker 12 (26:57):
I know Dion said what he said before the Brown
picked him, and he made a lot of comments that
were that's also, by the way, part of this small
part of it where I think clubs are turned kind
of some clubs are kind of turned off of Okay,
what kind of side show we inheriting here? Now you
add it all up, he's gonna drop and you're gonna
he's gonna drop to a round where there's very little
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risks from a club. A fifth round pick, by the way,
never expected to start. That is, you're already in the
backup I called backup rounds, fourth round and on, particularly
mid fourth round and on.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
They're all backup rounds. That's the way it is.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
That's why I heard a stat and I think it
was kyper So that guys drafted in the I don't
know if it's fourth and fifth or fifth round, oh,
for forty three becoming a starting quarterback like like like
something like that that you don't.
Speaker 12 (27:44):
Like ever or right when you get drafted. Kirk Cousins starters.
So and he was a fourth throw.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Yeah, it was. It was some number like that in
the fifth Low. No, it's low, man, really low.
Speaker 12 (27:54):
It's a shame should or did this to himself. I
I I there's a lot. I didn't know about his
situation and how he handled himself until this weekend because
I was on TV. So it was like, listen, I
gotta get more information here, and right, I'm kind of surprised.
I'm I'm because this is such a bad draft for quarterbacks.
I've been talking about this stuff for four months and
(28:14):
it's kind of turned out how it's been. And when
you got a twenty six year old quarterback Tyler Shuck
getting drafted with Shuder centers, that kind of tells you
where you were at here.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yeah, but Adam, Adam kaplan our guests here.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
So then if you're okay, Kelvin thinks is a conspiracy,
Let Kelvin say it not a conspiracy.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
But I do, and some of it is what Adam
just said. I do buy that. There is something about, hey, man,
you're kind of the kid. You have all this money.
Maybe you feel like you're time to Maybe you'll come
in with a little bit of two and for all
you other nil.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Having part of it. Man, yes, thank you.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
If you have talent, Adam, I hear you're You're right.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
If he's a top ten talent, clearly everybody he's not
a top ten talent.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Definitely was what I'm.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Saying is Adam's whole point, which was most people is
that he was a late first round okay, maybe second round,
definitely early third. That's a range. And for you to
drop the fifth and quarterbacks we haven't even heard of
go ahead of you all of a sudden. That shows
to me there's extra motives.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
What's up motives?
Speaker 12 (29:18):
It's they don't they deal with motivation or motives from clubs.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
They don't trust the players. And that's what I'm saying.
So I think all of this, and I think there's
yet and I think there's a lesson to be but
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
This is a message. But but this is the Adam.
This is what I pushed back on that they got
some Roger Goodell send a memo, we're gonna teach these
kids coming out of college with an il money and all.
This has nothing to do with that. It's just that
he did not do what he was supposed to do
with the talent that he has. And I'm talking about
(29:50):
being a second or third or fourth round pick of
whatever you want to pick the spot, and he didn't
do the other stuff to endear himself to people.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Adam, what I'm saying, I do believe and agree that
he overestimated his rank. I do believe that I do,
and thinking that, you know, if worse comes the worse,
I'll be the twenty first pick to Pittsburgh or something
like that.
Speaker 12 (30:11):
But Calvin, think of it this way though, Okay, the
most important position in sports, right, if you go you know,
if you're drafted in the first two rounds, you're expected
to start by the new rookie contract.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
You're going to be a leader.
Speaker 12 (30:23):
And you come in with this entitlement like I'm the man,
and you know I could do whatever. I won't like
who does this is ridiculous. This is year twenty seven
for me covering this business, right. I look Geno Smith,
by the way. Gino Smith was going to be the
Eagles quarterback in twenty thirteen until Chip Kelly and the
EGST front office traveled to West Virginia to meet with
(30:43):
him for the pro day. He had a terrible interview.
You didn't pay attention. They took they decaid they weren't
going to draft him. I don't understand. I just don't
understand the attitude of this flayer just shut or I
just being Dan Sun. It's just I can't get over this.
I didn't I'll be honest with you. I'll I'll give
you another nugget. I didn't believe this when I heard
some stuff Thursday, this this can't be true. And then
(31:03):
I dug in and the more people I trust told me,
and they had similar stories and like, wow, how.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Do we you notice this?
Speaker 12 (31:10):
And I'm not saying anyone try to barry store, just
the reporters are going to dig when when they know
a guy's dropping, they want to know.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
We want to it's our gilt, right right, why? I
want to know why?
Speaker 12 (31:19):
But Rob, you've been you've been doing reporting in years
for you know, I met you at the Combine in
probably twenty five years. Were sitting next to each other
because you're working with one of the trip papers.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Ye, So you know, man, you know the way this
stuff is. It's just the way sports is.
Speaker 12 (31:34):
If you don't do your job, particularly at the most
important position in sports, you're gonna drop.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
That's just the way it is. All right.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
What about what about anything else that happened in the
draft that you like? Was there a particular maybe even
team that you like. Maybe it's Cleveland. A lot of
people have Keeland Cleveland getting a plus close draft.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Yeah, I'll say this about Cleveland. Okay.
Speaker 12 (31:50):
Now, we also didn't talk about the fact that they
now have five quarterbacks and for.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Us, what in the world.
Speaker 12 (31:54):
Yes, I know, well, Watson's highly unlikely to play this season.
But let me explain something about Shador before we move
on from him.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
So they got five quarterbacks.
Speaker 12 (32:05):
Let's let's remove Watson, right, he's probably not gonna play
Flacco one year deal.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Can he pick it on the fun Ears rookie deal.
So that's three quarterbacks.
Speaker 12 (32:13):
You've got Shadoor and you've and you've got Dylan Gabriel
who's a very small framed under six feet quarterback.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
I did see it. It's suitable. He had a good week.
But he doesn't possess Shador's talent.
Speaker 12 (32:26):
So if Shadoor does everything, if he gets if he
feels humbled, he better be and he's got the right
attitude and he wants to work. When they're eliminated the playoff,
which should be runs fourteen, fifteen or sixteen, he might
wind up starting folks late in the season, So he.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Could have if he put to the right situation.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
To be honest with you, yeah, I mean, I just
think people were so caught up on where he got
drafted instead of knowing that they were only like three
or four teams that really you and I have said that,
yeah that needed a quarterback. So so all those other
teams that were passing over him, they didn't have a
quarterback need.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
That's what people need to understand. Right.
Speaker 12 (33:03):
Yeah, But see I would say this with Cleveland, right,
do they need another quarterback? No, But there becomes a
point where a talented quarterback like Shrewer Sanders.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Is a value And what do you have to lose
drafting in the fifth round? Right?
Speaker 12 (33:15):
Just look the other team. I thought the two teams
that I felt over the weekend before he was drafted
made sense for Cleveland and Miami. Miami because Zach Wilson's
the backup of Miami's not been very good until it
gets hurt a lot.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
So But I I but.
Speaker 12 (33:30):
In terms of having a chance to not only make
the team, but to move up to depth, Charty he's
in a great spot. He just we'll see, we'll see. Look,
we're gonna learn a lot about him, and I look forward.
I I'm gonna go to the Browns camp this summer.
I've been in a couple. Oh, they'll also be in
Philly where I am. Actually they're coming in for a
joint practice. I know there's their coach stet pretty well.
(33:50):
So I look forward to seeing and then hearing about
what in person, how shouldor ishading himself. But this actually
has a chance to be a much better story for
should Dour than he probably thought.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
And I think that's his mindset going in.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
And I maybe listen hopefully in all of us, you me,
Rob everybody, there's less life lessons to be learning in
different situations.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
And you gotta be careful, Like you got to know
where you fit in, you know what I mean, Like
you really do. It's like I told you, Adam, for
a million years, I've told this story, tattoo from Fantasy Island. Right,
he's on a he's on a network television show, all
the stuff. Right, he goes in and wants equal pay
(34:28):
as Ricardo Montlebaum. Now you got to understand, like what
where you fit in? Going and and and he right,
he supporting, right, he demands like this this deal and
they get rid of them.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yeah, you know you know that story? How heck do
you know that story?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Because it's like it's the most ridiculous story. If I'm
his agent, I said, it's true.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I remember reading that like decades ago.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, that's if I'm his agent, I'm like, unless they
remake The Wizard of there's no gig for you.
Speaker 12 (35:03):
So Tattooing Fantasy Island his real name was herve. Yes, yes,
and I should know this, but I know this, and
he was I mean he was a big player, but
actually had an important part for he had a supporting part.
Ricardo Montzablant was the star that show. Yeah, he held
just got to.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Know where your bit he should be held out for
more money? Yeah, I doing. He wound up doing.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Hell yeah, he wound up doing dunkin Donuts commercials.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
And you know what his line was in the dunkin
Donut commercial. No, I don't know this. Then asked like,
what what kind should I get? The plane? The plane?
I remember that in the plane? Yeah?
Speaker 12 (35:39):
All right, Oh you believe this, Adam? You thought I
thought you never know what you're gonna hear on the audience.
I thought it was going off the wall. When we
talked about white ball instead of black balls. I barely
heard that.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
I'm like, what this rob apparently thinks only black people
can be black, just saying I never heard of white guy?
And I said, what do they need to be called
white ball to the black the white person's black ball?
Speaker 6 (36:00):
All right?
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Get out? Thank you, Adam?
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Any crazy? I don't know if that's possible. All right,
are the NBA refs getting it wrong or right. We'll
tell you see couple of Fox Sports Radio, I was wrong.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
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Speaker 5 (36:28):
Fox Sports Radio. We had a huge debate about this.
This one went really viral, Alex. People needed answers on
its great. It's not that he's not, but everyone else was.
Somebody had to go. It's the ocuple Robin Kevin on
the Magic City Monday. I didn't want to get your
thoughts on his rob There's been some questionable call, some
(36:48):
challenging calls for referees.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Don't do that, don't do that.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Goodness, No, see there you go up to the Pitsiness is
why could you look at from a nickstandpoint a game
in which they participated, a call was made that the
NBA had to come out and say, oops are bad.
It was a foul happened to be Pistons. I didn't
even notice it was the Pistons till you just brought
it up.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Please you cry. I just hoped to sleep last night.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
No, honestly, you should know me well enough to know
while that was a bad call, that was Calvin.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
They and your daughters were like do we mommy, do
we have another baby?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
We don't know about baby baby. That's just your daddy.
The Pistols lost, Yes, No.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
I was more mad that they they lost that game.
Jayalen brought more so than the call. Kind of like
how the Lakers like, okay, some reasons.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
A final.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
We got Luca and I got Lebron. We gotta find
a way to win this, especially losing game three. Similar
thing with me with the Pistons. You're up seven, eight nine,
had you looking good, playing well. You let Jalen brunts
to come back out of the you know, the tunnel
and go crazy on you and carling Town's have a
good game too.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
So my issue was.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Actually Kate had two open shots and a turnover, like
there was there was one shot there, you know that
like at the foul line.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I mean he had a clean that's a shot. He
got exactly the shot we want.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
But but I do want to go back to the
larger because we have this conversation that we had it
with Steve too, just about sports. Where do you want
romps to be able to have you know, the the
ball strike call with the robots. A do you want
to have in the NBA where like the last second
shot like that questionable call file or not be reviewed
because then it looks crazy, Oh our bad? That was
(38:25):
a file, like we literally what does it do? Like,
how does that help the Knicks? Maybe their fans feel robbed,
like man, they're gonna act like we stole the game
if you're a Piston player or fai like, man, we
knew we would have won this game. We got three
free throws, we're only down one.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
But you could do this on like, there are other
plays that are instrumental, not just the last play the game.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
There might have been an So that's what I mean.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Anything under a minute out of bounds a file, what
if that changes the game?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
I'm just saying, like, like I the only thing I
don't agree with is the report that they put out
to let people know. Uh the pool reporter talking everybody
and getting a comment. They said when they watched the tape,
they felt like there was contact enough for contact to
call a foul. But I don't want games changed after
the fact that once people have left, there's nothing you
(39:12):
can do. So I don't know if I really want
I don't even know if I really want them to admit.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
That it was you start Tim Hardaway Junior starting a
game five, he gets three free throws, he makes them.
They win the game. Now, all of a sudden, it's
a two to two series. That's what I wanted on that.
Steve likes that idea too. Steve, just don't listen. Don't listen, listen, list.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Give him us three free throws right now? What is it?
Is it? Two to two? Three? One? Oh? Is it? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (39:38):
And the Pistons, like the Lakers have outplayed the Knicks threequarters.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
About winning.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
So the Lakers in this tide, they are similar, should
be more upset because they got to experience Luca Lebron.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Guys, everybody picked them for the NBA final. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
And Pistons they're learning. You talked about earlier. Cade's learning,
you got it tough en up, you gotta fight through.
And Jaylen Bronson showed him that. But it's not over
size ten js.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
I want him.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I ain't say nothing about no Jays. I'm just waiting
an over ripe three free throws.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
I want them
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