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April 18, 2024 38 mins

Chris and Rob explain why they had such a big problem with Gregg Doyel’s inappropriate exchange with Caitlin Clark at her introductory press conference and tell us which teams make the most sense for Trae Young in a potential trade. Plus, The Athletic senior writer Nick Baumgardner swings by to discuss why so many are projecting to see four quarterbacks taken in the top-5 picks of the NFL Draft, whether or not Marvin Harrison Jr is easily the best wide receiver prospect available, the inexact science that is roster building around a rookie signal-caller and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:41):
Thursday, we got Nick Baumgardner, senior writer for The Athletic
who covers the NFL Draft. So that'll be a lot
of fun to talk to him. Is that we prepare
for that a week from today, Rob, very interesting situation
in Indianapolis where, of course Caitlyn Clark was the number

(01:05):
one pick of the WNBA draft. She will go to
the Indiana Fever and at her introductory press conference in Indiana,
there was some controversy with Greg Doyle, who's a longtime
columnist at the Indianapolis Star. And Rob Gi give us
kind of a little bit more of the background and

(01:26):
then we're gonna hear some sound.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Well, before we get to the specific controversial point. Before
this was even done, Greg Doyle at the press conference
get introduced Kaylan Clark, asked the question of Indiana Fever
coach Christine Sides, and his question was you were just
giving the keys to that and pointed at Kaitlyn Clark,
what are you gonna do with it? People kind of

(01:48):
thought that was a little weird way to phrase it,
but they moved on. Later on, Doyle is asking another question,
this one to Kitln Clark, and before he starts his question,
he makes his hands in the shape of a heart.
The heart hands. That's the EMOJC on your phone nowadays.
DeMar Hamlin does it, and Kaitlyn Clark does it to
her family during every IOWA game, usually.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
At the end. Well, listen to this exchange and tell
me what you think of it. Hi, Caitlyn, Greg Doyle
and the Star real quick, I'll we do this. You
like you like that, I like that you're here.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
I like that you're here.

Speaker 6 (02:22):
I do that in my family after every game.

Speaker 7 (02:24):
So okay, well we'll start.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
Doing it to me and we'll get along just fine.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
So the question is.

Speaker 8 (02:33):
Chris, go ahead around just totally inappropriate, just just like
like you're you're a columnist right in the town. I
get it's Indianapolis. Uh, it was awkward. That's why it
came off that way. He's doing a hard to her.

(02:53):
I don't think, Chris, if there was a female columnist
who did that to a player who was going to
play for the people would be like, what.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
What is this? You know what I mean? Like, I
just I don't.

Speaker 8 (03:04):
I don't understand what he was trying to do, trying
to be too cute, trying to be too much. I'm
surprised Greg Doyle didn't he work at Yahoo too, Chris was?
He was? He was Rob g Was he on at Yahoo?
He was on a national platform as well.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
No, he's a he's a big time but I'm saying yeah,
but I'm saying, really he had the national platform as well.

Speaker 8 (03:27):
It was at CBS, Chris and wrote there and then
came back to Indianapolis. I don't know, I just it
just felt awkward and appropriate. To me.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I mean, you're right if a female said to Lebron
James did a heart sign.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
And she would do that. If you do that to me,
we'll be good, Chris, look the whole.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
And I guess on Twitter you're here he's getting criticized
and he actually ended up Rob writing a retraction column.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
It's it's tight.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Here's the I love it. Caitlyn Clark. I'm so sorry.
On Wednesday, I was part of the problem and he was.
But just the first thing, Rob g told us, you're
you've just been given that. What are you gonna do
with it?

Speaker 9 (04:19):
Now?

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Look, Rob, a lot of times we.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Refer to as you know, he's a beast, right mb
was a monster last night, and you know, if people
wanted to criticize that, and you know, but now it's accepted.
It's a figure of speech. People know what you mean.
I think years ago, Robbed, decades ago, maybe when you
were saying if you said that about an African American player,

(04:44):
people took umbrage, you know, But now obviously it's just
it's kind of an innocent, you know, figure of speech
and actually kind of is a compliment, you know. But
I don't know if I'm over acting, but it objectifies her,
not in a sexual way, but it objectifies her in

(05:04):
I got that it well, do you know what I mean?
Rather than you just been you know I mean, And
then people said that I don't know if even minute negatively,
but you know what I mean, It came off that way.

Speaker 8 (05:14):
But it means like you've been given the keys to
this sports car, you know what I mean. So that's
what you call it objectified, right, exactly right? And it
just but Chris, don't you think And again I get it.
It's Indianapolis. That one newspaper, he's the big.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Dog was actually the first newspaper. Well, I was an
intern there right at the Star. Yeah, oh yeahn and
then they have a Star. I was their first African
American employee other than like a secretary. Are you serious? Ever?

Speaker 3 (05:43):
One year was.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
That nineteen ninety and I was just an intern. They
did offer me a job, but I went to the
Cleveland Plain Dealer instead. But it's crazy. Yeah, but and
the secretary was she was wearing mini skirts too.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
That's like, wow, the news had a black writer.

Speaker 8 (06:04):
Had Napolis News. But here's the thing, Chris, I just
think he was trying to be too cute and become a.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Part of the press conference. It ain't about you that day,
it ain't. Do you think he was trying to be
a party.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
I agree, that he was trying to be too cute,
but you actually think he was like trying to become
a part of kind of the story.

Speaker 8 (06:24):
Well, because he's injecting himself in it, you know what
I mean, Like all these things are about him.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Hey, if you do this to me, will be good.

Speaker 8 (06:33):
Hey, you know, like it just it just seemed like
he was trying too hard, like like there's a time
in the play. God knows, Chris, I've asked some questions
in press conferences.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (06:45):
I'm just saying, yes, God knows, And it wasn't about me.
I was trying to be I was trying to get
a quote. I really was, Chris, I really really was.
It wasn't about me.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Well in this case, I think Rob And again the
criticism on Twitter, some of it robs. You correct me
if I'm wrong, but some of it was like you're
treating women's sports like it's not legitimate. And when I,
you know, heard the story about what he said, I
was like, Okay, I don't know if he's doing that.

(07:20):
When you listen, Look, when you listen to that excerpt,
it did come off that it came off like here's
the cute little girl. And I don't even mean in
a sexual way, but here's the cute little women's players.
Oh I'm gonna I'm gonna play around with you know,
like pat like you do to a little kid, patting
them on the head. If I'm interviewing little nine year

(07:46):
olds and hey, you know, what'd.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
You think you know about? How in this stadium the day?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (07:54):
You know, like that's what it came off to me like,
And I think I think some people have been critical
on Twitter and saying this is why women's sports isn't
as popular as men. No, stop that, this is not
why women's sports is not as popular as men. All right,
It's just that's not it, all right. But it did

(08:18):
come off rob like he was patting her on the head,
so to speak. Or it's the little you know, the
little dude they play basketball too, you know, they're so
cute when they play and you know, let me.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
I mean it just you wouldn't do that to a man.

Speaker 8 (08:35):
No, And Chris, am I right. If it was a
female reporter doing that, it would be questionable her. Oh
got her credibility would be questioned, Chris, And oh, you
know there's another chicken in the locker room.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
They just want to be around the guys and find
a husk.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
And Rob, there are there have been instances of you know,
female reporters getting in relationships with doc Jay had a
baby with one of the writers who come from the
New York Times, right, and she was a tennis player.
His daughter became a great tennis player. But I but

(09:12):
I haven't seen anything blatant, even when you know, I've
been around situations where I knew some stuff happened, but
I've never seen anything like that.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Right, It was always a way, you.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Know what I mean, Rob, I've never seen like even
in a scrum in the locker room, I've never seen
a female.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Maybe you have.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
I haven't seen a female ask a question like that
or flirt like you know what I mean, like or
I haven't seen that. We got a.

Speaker 8 (09:43):
This was from X from Jamel Hill. It's a part
of her exchange a former Twitter formerly Twitter quote. I
said this some time ago. But another upside to Caitlin
Clark's popularity is that it is going too far only
for sports media to grow up. Sports media has been
extremely complicit in marginalizing and infinite time.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
What is that.

Speaker 8 (10:12):
I'm fantilizing is that it infinitetize. Okay, thank you women's sports.
So that's like, what is that making it?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Like? Baby?

Speaker 8 (10:22):
Is it okay? What you're talking about about being okay?
Uh So that was Jamel Hill on that.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
I mean, Rob, I gotta be honest.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
I've never now, look, I'm a man, Maybe I gotta
be honest, I don't. I don't think a ton about sexism.
I know it's exists, and I don't want it to exist,
but I don't think about it as much as I
think of like racism. You know, as a male, that's
probably a male privileged thing, but I've never thought of

(10:51):
it like that. But this did come off like that
to me. I've never thought that men have done that
to female sports. But maybe I'm wrong. They we have,
but in this case, that's definitely what it sounded like.

Speaker 8 (11:04):
Yeah you called it. I mean that's what Jamelle is
saying as well.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (11:09):
I just thought he came off really bad. It looked
bad for him and just yeah, he was doing too much.
He was just doing too much.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it really he really was infanticizing it,
Like Jamel said, I didn't even know she had tweeted that.
I why why, rab, Like, why would you start off
with that heart? I would not do that unless it

(11:40):
were you were. I wouldn't even do that with high
school athletes. I would only think about it, and I
don't know that i'd ever do it. But the only
time I can think it might be appropriate would be Rob.
To Jamel's point and the point I made earlier. You know,
if you're interviewing like little leaguers, you know what I mean,
and you do it and you know, oh, you were

(12:03):
throwing up this symbol throwing up to me too that
you know, like that type of thing. So it's exactly
what Jamel.

Speaker 8 (12:09):
Said, crazy it as And I just got to see
what this whole thing with the WNBA and the expectations
of it and Caitlyn Clark and how this plays out.
I definitely want to see how this thing plays out.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
I think she just got Rob g a twenty million
dollar deal with Nike.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, now, ian Esco had gotten.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
A twenty four million dollar deal, so that's not the largest,
but yeah, twenty million dollar deal with Nike. Good for her. Rob. Honestly,
I think it's gonna come down to how she plays
if she balls out with like I expect her to.
I think she's going to lead to the league being
more much more popular. I think you're gonna see her

(12:59):
highlight and you don't now you see some highlights now
on Sports Center and things like that, but I think
you're gonna see much more of them.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
If she doesn't play well, then I think this could fade.

Speaker 8 (13:10):
I just think it's as I said before, it's the
hallm Globe Trotters people. The other w NBA games people
aren't gonna.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Be Yeah, but I mean her by herself would lift
the league. And if she if she's if you're putting
her games on their games against other players, but there's
also other there. She doesn't play, but there's there's eight
other games going.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
But that's not It doesn't take every every team in
the league to have a huge boost in ratings for
the league to get some positive, you know, positivity from her.
I mean when when Magic and Bird came in, right,
they played for two teams, they didn't play.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
For all, but they weren't even they came in. The
NBA ten has won six thousand two. I'm not saying
they're gonna become the NBA.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
I'm just saying for their level, they're going to get
us if she's great. Now, I'm saying if she doesn't
play well, I don't think you'll see it. You know,
initially you will, but it'll fade. But if she plays well,
I think you'll see a boost relative.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
To their sport.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
I'm not saying it's gonna be on the NBA's level ever,
but I'm saying you will see a boost relative to
their sports.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
So there's a lot of pressure riding on her shoulders,
all right.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Eight seven seven ninety nine On Fox, Greg Doyle ended
out the Star. Yeah, he objectified and infantilized the WNBA
and Caitlin Clark, those.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Are my views.

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all presented by Express pros Rob. I just read Greg
Doyle's apology column yes.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
In the Indie Star.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
He said he is known locally for getting into awkward
conversational you know, being an awkward conversational type interviewer.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
He said he's done that with the coach coaches.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
With you know, players from Purdue, Zach Edy, Chuck Pagonald
and all that stuff. He said that. I mean, I've
never I mean, I'm sure I probably have been in
the press conference with him, you know, back when the
Pacers were wearing some of the finals.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
But I don't recall have you ever do you recall
being an with him? No, That's why this is sounded
weird to me. It sounded creepy. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
I would like to hear what he you know what
one of these comparable things with a man sounds like okay,
But anyway, eight seven, seven ninety nine.

Speaker 8 (17:28):
On Fox, Let's Kick It on the Way and Chris
Let's kick it Off with James in New York. You're
on the odd couple Fox Sports Radio. What's up, James?

Speaker 9 (17:36):
Hey, how you guys doing doing great in a while?

Speaker 5 (17:39):
Hey?

Speaker 8 (17:39):
Good?

Speaker 9 (17:39):
So I just wanted to make this short and quick.
We're talking about her on a random Thursday night. So
regardless of how bad it looked for him, this is
a win for the w NBA because oh yeah, good
press right now for them?

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
I agree with that right and.

Speaker 9 (17:57):
I agree with Chris too. If she if she balls out, man,
they're gonna have an increase because.

Speaker 8 (18:02):
James, James, have you bought tickets for a w NBA
game she's playing in?

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Okay? I thought, not, Well, they're not available, are they aren't?

Speaker 1 (18:10):
They sold out?

Speaker 3 (18:11):
No? But I'm talking about in New York and prog go.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
To a liberty.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
I think she's gonna have any impact on the league.

Speaker 8 (18:17):
I just Chris, I don't think it's I don't think
it's gonna be as big as people think it is.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
I don't what's big.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I just don't think it's gonna be like any significant
increase sell tickets where she but what they've had before
where she plays.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yes, don't watch her.

Speaker 8 (18:31):
You can say that about anybody and watch her for
a while and unless it's something different, Chris like, but.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
She's gonna have to be great. Okay, I agree with that,
that's all. I'm just saying, like.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
You're acting like it's asinine to think she's gonna have.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
A boost, she's boothingthing else.

Speaker 8 (18:44):
I just I'm just the league's been around for a
long time, it had her, Okay, well.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Have been around a long time.

Speaker 8 (18:51):
I believe it when I see it like that, it's
going to be something that sticks and not a fad
that after you've seen her.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
If you might be a fat if that's all good.

Speaker 8 (18:59):
She might be lin sanity. You know, everybody was crazy
about him for a.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Few weeks two months, all right, that was only two
I'm just saying, Jason in Iowa, if you if you,
if you're talking, you hate me.

Speaker 8 (19:12):
If I'm right, I'm ripping, all right, Jason in Iowa,
you're on the EYD couple of sports radio.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
What's up?

Speaker 5 (19:19):
So?

Speaker 6 (19:21):
Man, I think I think you got it back, and
I think you got it back, and let's see it.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Fortunately, can can you hear me? Yes? Go ahead?

Speaker 5 (19:32):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
I think he's.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
Arrogant and I think he wanted it. He wanted to
stand out and kind of make it about him. I
don't think it was necessarily sexual in nature. I think
he's known for making those comments. You just made that
statement yourself. He's not well like in Indianapolis based on
the comments.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
I all right, we're losing them.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
All right, thanks? He got he got to just let's let's.

Speaker 8 (19:55):
Go to Jack's in Kansas City. You're on the eye
couple of Fox sportuating what's up?

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Jack's what's up?

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Rob? Taking my call? Sir, I'm great, Thank you, my brother,
Chris Basarr. What's going on?

Speaker 1 (20:05):
New oh man?

Speaker 5 (20:08):
I'm good brother out here in a beautiful day in
KSE today. So you know, I definitely think this guy
was trying to get a little grab a little attention.
I mean, I see the same question. You know, Rob
is gonna bring something that's going on. You know he's
I told somebody the other day he's an old school

(20:29):
newspaper guy like that's that's that's what you know. You
got to bring something out. You gotta make a story
happen if you got to, if if that's necessary, But
it will be interesting to me to see. I'm actually
thinking about going and getting some tickets to go see
Angel Reese and Cordova in Chicago. Like, that's a road
trip I would take, just like me one to go.

(20:51):
I'm going to see h a job playing mythis. You know,
you know, I'll be you know, taking a road trip
and go see a game. So I've never thought about
going to see that the NBA's game before. So I
think that the men's game, especially at the college level,
needs to understand and learn that because these young ladies
stayed in school and actually developed rivalries is the reason

(21:13):
why they got so much attention.

Speaker 8 (21:15):
You know what Jack's I don't believe that. I just
think it's her shooting logo threes. I'm serious. I don't
think it's the four years. I don't think it's that
if she wasn't making those shots. They've been great women's
college basketball.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Players for years.

Speaker 8 (21:31):
She's not the first one that showed up and Chris,
they couldn't draw flies, and they couldn't get tea people
to watch.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
They can't get I do agree that the uniqueness of
her game is.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
A huge factor. It just did not for me at least.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
I wanted to see Britney Grinder because she was unique,
you know.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
She was she played above the rim?

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Right? Yeah, yeah, so I agree.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
With you on that. You have Thomas Squeeze one more
and Rob g no okay he said, no.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
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We're the Eye Couple live from the Tiereight dot com studios.
Our next guest, Nick Baumgartner, Senior writer at The Athletic,
covers the NFL Draft.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Nick, Welcome to the I Couple. What's happening?

Speaker 5 (22:27):
Okay, how are you?

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Let me ask you this?

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Nick? Every year, or most years, I should say, I
don't think last year the quarterbacks were necessarily overhyped, but
so many years, you know, it's the best draft we've
seen and you got five quarterbacks. Three we're going in
the first round, and you know, people talk about them
like they're going to be Hall of famers. Sam Darnold,

(22:53):
Zach Wilson, you know, Marcus Marriod. We can go down
the line with top three picks that have failed. Do
you think it's a say similar type of thing this year.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
I'm not saying Caleb.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
And a few of these guys aren't going to be
really good, but would you say some.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Of them are being overhyped?

Speaker 1 (23:13):
And in your opinion, which ones do you think that
those are? Oh?

Speaker 10 (23:18):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean I totally agree with everything you
said there. I mean it's like, you know, there are
two conversations that have to happen every year that people
get lost in, and it's you know, how many quarterbacks
in this class are worthy of a first round grade?
And that sort of gets turned into well, then all
those guys suddenly have to be you know, Hall of
famers if my team's gonna draft them.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
So I think that's sort of how.

Speaker 10 (23:39):
It evolves, right, So it's like you got so many
teams this year that need a quarterback. But also I
would also add, this is a year where, you know,
like you said at the top, you've got guys like
Caleb Williams, Drake may Daniels and McCarthy are all super
physically talented players that are all first round picks. They're
all absolutely first round picks. Williams and in my opinion,
May are the top two in that group. But then

(24:01):
Daniels would maybe a little bit littler than McCarthy would
be for in a different year. Guys, if there was
better talent at the top outside of maybe the receiver class,
or there was a couple, they're no doubters. I'm not
sure McCarthy or or Daniels would be going in the
top five if there were less teams that need quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
So is it kind of a sign of the other
positions as well this year that one more time is
the sign of some of the I won't say weakness
as so many others.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
Okay, okay, I think it's both.

Speaker 10 (24:28):
And I think it's the fact that you know, next
year's quarterback class is not great, and we don't know
about the year after, right, So I think it's a
little bit of both. It's other areas. And then also,
you know, this class is a solid class. There's some
depth here. It's pretty good. But you know, like you said,
if people need to maybe pump brakes on, it's not
the best we've ever seen. I don't think it's too
early for that.

Speaker 8 (24:46):
How about you know in the draft somebody you're not
expecting who could be drafted high. You got anybody like
that or we should look out for that could surprise
people as far as being.

Speaker 10 (24:59):
Yeah, couple of guys one edge. The edge class is
a tricky one. It's one with its opinions on the top.
Maybe ten to fifteen guys really vary. A kid named
Marshawn Neeland played at Western Michigan, has one that we've
heard a lot about over the last couple of months
from teams that originally you thought maybe he's a second second,
late second, maybe third round guy, and a few teams
have said, okay, maybe, you know, we think he's up

(25:21):
there with the top top edges. Maybe at the end
of the first round. I mean he could sneak in there.
Wouldn't shock me, It would not blow me over if
it could. Like Mike Sainers still the nickel from Michigan,
who is you know, just like one of the most
rock solid culture kids in this class. You know, football
character off the charts, won a ton of games. So

(25:42):
guys like that, you know, Donne Mitchell is another guy
on the fringe there at the end of the first round.
We'll see if he goes in the second. A lot
of those receivers are sort of it becomes either the holder,
right it's like who you know, what team needs what,
and what team falls in love first. So there's a
ton of guys right there in that mix that could go,
you know, either second or slipping there in the first.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, I want to ask you about the receivers. I'm
glad you brought it up. There's been some talk now
that you know, everybody's been raving about Marvin Harrison Junior
for a while, but now some are saying, well, I
think Elak Neighbors is actually the best receiver in the
draft and obviously got Rome, Like, what do you still
feel like Harrison is the best player and is this

(26:20):
just kind of over analysis that we gotta.

Speaker 8 (26:23):
Have something to talk about r Yeah, I think.

Speaker 10 (26:26):
It's a little bit that. Yeah, I for me, Harrison
is the guy I still am on. I'm on the
Harrison train. But I think it's an important conversation to
have because when you say that, you know, you don't
want to make it sound like you're downgrading the other dudes,
because Neighbors and O Doonsday are awesome. They are both
you know, those are the guys. This is a at
the top of the receiver class. Those three guys, I

(26:46):
feel like our guys who could walk in next year
start somewhere and then you know, two of them at
the top at least I'm comfortable with that. With Neighbors
and Harrison, they are going to be guys that are,
you know, like what Garrick Wilson's impact was or DeVonta
Smith in the last couple of years, guys that just
walked right in and are ready to go. And so
Neighbors and Harrison I think are almost like a one
A and one B. It's been so much closer than
people probably realize. Is because Marvin's name is Marvin Harrison, right,

(27:09):
and I think that's he's had so much attention, and
Malik Nighbors got a little overshadowed by you know, Jayden Daniels.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
The big part of the.

Speaker 10 (27:15):
Reason why Jayden Daniels won the Heisman and is who
he is is because he got to play with the league.
So those receivers at the top are very good football players,
and it wouldn't shock me at all to see some
teams maybe move up to try to get some of them,
especially if they're hanging around there in the top five
or top ten.

Speaker 8 (27:29):
How about running backs? Who are we looking at? Is
there anybody who's worth a higher pick for running back
or now not really this year.

Speaker 10 (27:39):
This is kind of a kind of a normal this year,
i'd say, or running back. Last year you had the
two guys, you know, Bijon and Gibbs, who were pretty clear,
you know, dual threat. You know, guys anyway that lives
in to say they could play every down. But Jonathan
Brooks from Texas, Trey Benson from Florida State, maybe the
kid Jalen Right from Tennessee. Those are all guys that
have speed and can do some different things in the

(27:59):
old up and field. But a lot of guys in
this class are a little bit like maybe like a
Blake Krum, who I think would be a nice first
down back for somebody, or a Braylan Allen, the kid
from Wisconsin. Guys that can just spell a really good player.
Like if you've got a if you're the Browns, let's say,
and you've got a guy like Nick Chubb and you
want to get a younger guy that maybe take some
carries off of him. I think there's some guys in
this in this past Ray Davis third fourth round guys,

(28:22):
but nobody at the top. I'd be a little surprised
if somebody goes in the second out of the running
back last this year.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
How do you see the Cowboys going. I mean, I
think they've had a horrible offseason. They need some offensive lineman,
they need a running back, but they've only got three
picks in the top one fifty. Do you think they'll
be able to kind of, you know, get what they
need in this draft?

Speaker 10 (28:45):
I do, because this is a good year to need
the tackles. It's a good year to need lineman in general,
and they do need like you said, they need lineman's
and they need more of one, really and I think
the best ideally maybe you get some more. But I
do think where they're sitting there in the twenties, they're
gonna have a shot at least one of these tackles
that that is a pretty good football player that can
come in. I'd say there's probably five, maybe six legitimate

(29:06):
first round tackles, maybe even someone had seven on there.
And it's a really good tackle class and I don't
think all of them will be gone by the time
Dallas comes up. So it depends on what they want
to do. Like you said, I mean, they need a
running back to and I think you can play the
board in this draft or maybe get a guy later that.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
Can help you out.

Speaker 10 (29:20):
But they are in a position I think, you know,
hopefully for them that breaks this way, but I think
they should be able to get a guy there, a
tackle that can come in and start for him and
help them sort of overcome some of those losses there.

Speaker 8 (29:32):
How about last thing, Patriots, is there a chance that
they man, you know, trade down that didn't do? You
know out of that number what is that number three spot?
That is what I keep hearing that they could trade down,
you think?

Speaker 10 (29:44):
So, I mean, I mean I thought about that for
them for months, but every time I bring that up,
people remind me that Elliott Wolf who's kind of running
the show there. Now, he's from the Green Bay school
of you got to get your quarterback, and you got
you can't do anything until you get the dude. So
I'm with you. I mean, if they get a deal
from somebody that has just loaded, I think you got
to do it because they still need so much other stuff.

(30:05):
But robber Craft is apparently also all about we need
a quarterback and it needs to be a guy that
can sell tickets and all this and that. So be
a little surprised that they didn't go quarterback there, although
a trade might be better in the long run.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
How much.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
I mean I hear that, and I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
That that's gonna be a great position for a rookie
quarterback to step into because I don't know about their
weapons or you know what I mean, Like how much
of do teams have to be careful and that you
could ruin a guy that could actually be a good
quarterback because you don't have the offensive pieces to help
him out.

Speaker 10 (30:43):
Yeah, two hundred percent. I mean that is the reason
why the Bears are drafting another quarterback again. That's the
reason why they got rid of fields. They drafted Fields
at a time when they were not ready for him,
and it didn't matter where he went. I mean it
was if it was that situation anywhere else in the league,
you're going to fail. I mean, you said the guy
up to fail, and you failed. So I mean Zach
Wilson is in a similar situation in New York. I mean,

(31:06):
these guys take blame for their own stuff, but I
mean you're you're in situations that are not you can't
ask a rookie to come in and stave you. So
I think that that is something that I would probably
look long and hard at if I'm New England. Is
James Daniels or McCarthy or Drake may even Are they
good enough that you think they can come in there
and make plays? Like you said, they don't have a
ton of guys around them. Are they gonna be able
to make an off? And I think that's the question

(31:26):
they got.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
To ask quickly in about thirty seconds before you go.
Bryce Harper, obviously we saw him put in a tough situation,
didn't play well this year. Do you are you out
on him for good or do you think he still
could end up being a really good NFL quarterback?

Speaker 10 (31:42):
Yeah, I mean I'm not No, I'm not out on him.
I still think that you know, that was a horrible
situation that he would into last year's same thing we
just talked about, right like, if you'd have it's very
interesting to me if you'd have flipped him in CJ. Stroud,
I really wonder what we be talking about. I think
Bryan Young would have had pretty nice year, which not
to say that cjnfit, you know, would be bad or whatever,
But I mean the situations they went to are so different.

(32:04):
The Texans were ready, they had a plan, They've got
a good coaching staff, like they had good young talent.
They're fired up, they ready to go, and brace Young
was getting leveled every time he took a staff in
training camp, I mean all the way through camp. So
I'm not out on Bryce, but it's it's a tough
hall there, and there's a lot to overcome, especially for
a guy with his size. So they don't have a
lot of picks of your either. That trade really did
not help things. So yeah, it's tough spot there for him.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
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thanks man, you got foos yep. Rob, a guy that
used to be the new hotness could be on the move.
We'll get into that next. It's the A couple Christ
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Speaker 1 (32:57):
All right, it is the A couple of Christmers are
Rob Parker. We are alive from the tire Raq dot
Com studios Rob. Last night, in the nightcap of the
play in doubleheader, Chicago took out the Atlanta Hawks one
thirty one to one sixteen. Trey Young dropped twenty two

(33:19):
points ten assists for the Hawks, but he was a
team high or team low, I guess minus twenty seven
when he was on the court. They were blown out anyway,
but nobody else was really close to minus twenty seven.
That's caused a lot of speculation. Really the way the

(33:39):
Hawks played without him, Rob. They they played pretty good
basketball without Trey Young when he was hurt this season,
and so now they're speculation that they made trade.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
Trey and Rob.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
I gotta be honest, and I like Trap. I think
he's very talented. I like him to be a lot
more efficient. That's for darn shure. He's a forty three
percent career shooter only. I mean, he's a very he's
a good shooter, but he's only a career thirty five
percent from three. His numbers are gaudy even this year,
twenty five and a half points, ten point eight re assists,

(34:20):
with a challenge for the lead in the league had
he played you know, the requisite sixty five games. But Rob,
he he hasn't helped him in terms of winning. Now
we all know in the playoffs, you know, he did
some damage to the Knicks.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
He was Reggie Miller up in the guard. You know,
I was that was big. That was a couple of
years ago.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
He was a talk of the league. Yep, he was
great in that regard. But overall, he just hasn't really
helped him win. If I'm them, Rob, I am open
to trading him and I'm not giving him away, but
I'm definitely shopping him and seeing what the best deals
I could get. I want to ask you what are

(35:01):
some places, because I think teams would be interested in him.
The Lakers, you know, their ideal, their dream would be
to get Kyrie Irving. But he's working out well in Dallas,
so I don't see that happening. But what about I mean, look,
we'll see what the Lakers do against the Nuggets. I
don't think they're gonna win. I got the Nuggets, I
said five yesterday. I'm going six Nuggets and six. But

(35:24):
if the Lakers lose, Rob, you know what they do,
especially with Lebron, they make changes.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
And would you if they should lose, how.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Do you think Trey Young would fit in with the Lakers.

Speaker 8 (35:39):
I think he can fit in, I really do. And
they do need somebody maybe, and it could give him, Chris,
excuse me, a new lease on life as well, you
know what I mean. Atlanta seems to be kind of
played for him. Yeah, and they probably could use a
fresh start, right And I think.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
I think Lebron can help him. Sure, and maybe you know.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Learn how to.

Speaker 7 (36:02):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
I don't see that. I know, I know Robb g.

Speaker 8 (36:04):
Everybody's a future Laker, So this would just be up
his alley, uh to get Tray Young. But if I'm
the Lakers and I really could could make a move
for it, Chuse, it's worth a try, because he's still
a good player. I just I just think maybe there
things have worn out and it's just time to move on,
because you're right, when he wasn't there, they still they

(36:26):
played well without well you.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Know where I like him, Rob san Antonio, Oh wow,
with Wimby. With Wimby, everybody knows it's Wimby.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Chris very Young.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, No, but I think he'd be a great fit there.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I think he'd be a fit in Golden State, learn
under Steph Curry, a lot of people made comparisons between
those two when he came out, So I think that's
another place that I would like to see him. But yeah,
I think it's time for them to move on, and
you should be able to get something, you know, solid

(37:03):
for him. He like you said, he is a good player.
His numbers are great as far as the points per
game and assists per game. He's not nearly as efficient
as he as you want him to be, and that's
been kind of one of the challenges. But san Antonio,
you know, Popovich obviously is gonna help him learn how
to play winning basketball.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Be much more structured.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
For him there, and he's got to understand it's the
Wimby show.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
It's not the trade show at best.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Rob, it be great if Trey Young, I mean he
should if that were to happen, Rob, he should look
at it like, look, I gotta I can attach myself
to this guy and we could be a dynamic duo.
That's how he should look at it, because they need
a point guard and he can pass.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
But he's gotta be more learn how to be more efficient.

Speaker 8 (37:56):
Wimby might not work out Qus because I think he
still thinks he's a star, and I don't know. If
he could just acquiesce and be a part of the.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Winby that would be a prerequisite for me. If I'm
the Spurs, you know, like we are making known. Look
you understand whose show it is?

Speaker 3 (38:13):
All right? And our left eye couple
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