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and Kelvin, Yes, sir, we have this conversation. Obviously the
NBA Finals start tomorrow. Just been a lot of conversation
just you know about obviously market size and teams and
where they fit in and you know what I mean,
how much interest is people gonna have. Everybody's saying this
is a mismatch. It could be a four game sweep.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
You know, I've heard everything and talking about okay See.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
And their dominance and what kind of year they had
and the postseason that they've had. They had a couple
of clunkers, but for the most part, they demolished their opponents.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You know, I mean, that's what word I would use.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
But I think there's a difference here, And this is
where we're trying to get at.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Is okay Se.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Having a great season, but they're not a great team.
Like there are people trying to say this is an
all time great team and whatnot. I just can't get there.
I don't care what numbers, how many games they won,
do you know what I mean? The margin of victory?
But could I honestly say that they're having a great season,
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a season for the Ages. I told you this before.
This could very easily be a one off. And I'm
not saying that, you know what I mean. We're gonna
raise them and they're gonna be bad and not gonna
make it.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But I mean, as well as they've played, everything's going
right for them, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
There's a lot of that.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Things could change next year with SGA and how referees
officiate him after this whole year, right, they might go,
maybe we're giving them too much, maybe we're you know,
the tiki tags maybe and maybe not get that because
we saw that with James Harden. Do you remember when
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they stopped giving them the foul call in the postseason?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Right, I mean that's what.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
He did all year. He's like, hold on, wait what
I get right?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I've been getting this call all year and it changed
to who he was in the postseason.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
I mean, well, we don't know what has been wrong
with him over the years. It's just you know what
I mean, But I totally get what you're saying. I
want to let you finish your thought before you I'm good.
I think, so here just sent team season to me, right.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Right, and I think that's a fair point.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
I think what's challenging what this team is is that
when you just look at the numbers, they are a great,
at all time great team. When you look at the
point differential between the regular season and postseason around twelve
thirteen points, I mean, they've set records with that. When
you look at what they've done defensively, they're setting records.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
They have an MVP.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Who's doing historic things three years, scoring thirty plus, shooting
fifty percent from the field only I believe Jordan has
done that. So from a literal analytical standpoint, just straight.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Numbers and facts, they are at all time great team.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
But to me, and I've mentioned this before, what makes
an all time great team is identifiers, things, moments.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Names, and they're not there yet. Some of it's not
their fault, meaning the season isn't over.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Maybe they have a great finals, and then you know,
we have some epic finals where it's up being a
six to seven game battle series battle and you just
there's great moments.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
There's a couple game winners.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
The SGA hits one and Tyre's Halliburton hits one, and
we remember that. But as of right now, I keep
mentioning this them just blowing people out, them just having
guys who are really good at their roles and really
good players as part of their team. But they're not identifiable.
They're not stars. I think that takes away from it.
And so what they're having is a historically great season
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to your point, but it's nothing memorable or identifiable other
than they're really good defensively.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
The man you.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Interject, real cool, say they don't win a championship. Huh,
No one will say they were an all time team. Absolutely,
you see what I'm saying. And that's with all of
the accolades and everything you just mentioned. Nobody would say, oh,
I will only all time great teams. I know they
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didn't win the championship, but they were. They would erase everything.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
And I'm gonna add to that the reason why the
Warriors don't get that as much as maybe people want to.
When they won seventy three games, and obviously they didn't win,
but they could at least say we won before this,
so you go, all right, that was a great run.
And then obviously we would know they were going to
win a couple more. But my point is they had
that in the bag that they could at least say
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we won a championship prior to this, this OKAYC team.
If they don't win, then you're just saying, oh, well wow,
they're just continuously on their way. They went from forty
games to I want to say it was fifty two games,
and then they went to of course what we just
saw now and sixty eight games. So they have to
completely close this thing, win this thing in order for
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you it's fifty seven games, I mean, not short change them.
So they went from forty games to then fifty seven
last year, which is a whole lot of games, and
then obviously sixty eight this year.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
So they're on their way.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
They need to seal the deal with the championship to
say look at the run, look at the improvement, look
what we've done. And they can, you know, say now
we're hoisting you know, the Larry O'Brien.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
But I do still think time. We like to. We
like time.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
So we can then say, oh, you were either dynastic
or at least you had a very very good run, right,
so if you couldn't, that's why the bad Boys are significant,
even though they didn't three Pete even though they didn't
you know, win as many as other people.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
They only got two. But they went to finals in eighty.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Eight, eighty nine, ninety and they had you know, three
runs in the finals they won two. So they had
that kind of run where now we talk about them.
We know what the Lakers did in the eighties, we
know what the Shaq and Kobe Lakers did, we know
what the Celtics did in the eighties, we know what
the Chicago Bulls did. So they're gonna have to have
a sustained run because we'd like to lump you in
that you did this for a sustained amount of time.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, I just I just think that you don't like
one off what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, they're hanging by a string, and I'm that serious
because they have to close the deal to even have
any kind of conversation. People will forget about this team overnight.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
If they don't win, it'd be a massive disappointment. Yeah,
but that team had all that and didn't do nothing records,
and I believe that.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I think that's how because people are still like about them,
you know, so so, not want so so, but so so.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And they gotta win.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Winning is the ultimate, and that's how you cement yourself
where people look and say, you know what, they're the
best team all year.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
They go blah blah, they but playoffs are god.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
They want I would argue they gotta win a lot more,
meaning maybe not even championship, but they got to win
this year. They got to get to a finals again,
maybe next year or the year, like it has to
be a.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Four year run.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
I've always that of you know, sustained like oh wow,
they were really good or they were very very great.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I always say that what happened, what helped the Pistons
of two thousand and four Pistons is that they went
back to the finals the next year. So people who
wanted to say that was that's what I mean, you know,
like like like they just couldn't say it was a
flu because they went back the next year. And if
you remember, they beat Shaq and Dwyane Wade, you know
what I mean to get there. It was in Miami
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in the game seven.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
It was not to mention they went to what six
Eastern Conference finals in a row, So I mean they
and I said.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
The back yeah, really really cemented how good that team was.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
And I think that's why they're more memorable than this
thunder team would be as of now, as of now,
because they beat an amazing, you know, Laker team with
Shaq and.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Kobe, and he always frowns to this day. I know,
why are you bringing up old stuff?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Go ahead, that's what they.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Went and jim in eleven years. That's all right talk,
but it's a show. I want to get Shaq and
Kobe though. That was the one Roger.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
The Pistons, they're not the Lakers or Celtics, but they've
had it for the last thirty years or so.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
You know, they got it.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
They got what five finals appearance or something like that.
I mean, they they've done all right for themselves compared
to a lot of other organizations.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
You gotta at least give them that. I'm sorry, I know,
my bad, Robbie, but they got damp yourself, y'all can't
help yourself.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
It's they got the win. They went back against the Spurs,
went to seven with them. They had Eastern Conference battles
versus those you know, those early KG Paul Pierce, the
Big Three, Celtics versus Lebron. Lebron gave them that crazy
twenty five straight moment. My point is they had epic battles.
They had they had a named Detroit Basketball. They had
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identify Ben Wallace with the afro and the flames that
go up and the gong and Rashee Wallace and Chauncey
and Rip. So the Thunder are missing a lot of
those things, and they got a lot of guys who.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Just don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
They don't have a signature thing, a signature move. And
it's just really good basketball. But in American pop culture,
in the lexicon of things, that doesn't just cut it.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
You being really good at something.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
You know, they musicians are very talented, amazing at playing
the guitar.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
The piano, and we go, yeah, they're they're they're really good.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
You know how many people have number one records, big
number one that you go, if I said their name,
you'd be like.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Well, well but that, but that that could be this
team with the one offs. And I'll give you the
perfect example of we just talked about it. One hit
wonders in music, where where somehow somewhere you got the
right song right, you put it together, you put all
your energy. A lot of people do that, and and
that's why it's the consistency is being able to do
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it more than once. That's when people really take notice
and go, Okay, they got something, you know, because a
lot of people, for one shot or one try can win.
The stars can align and you can win. Once Tom
Izzo won a national championship twenty five.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Well Rob, you did so good. You went about two
months with all.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Now Tom is telling you, man, he's gonna swing on
you when he sees you, he gonna I'm just gonna
stand on gonna stand on the apple box and swing
on you. My last point with this, we did talk about.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
This last week. I believe it us.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
I do believe they have the makings to be what
we're talking about. In that I told you they went
from forty wins to fifty seven sixty eight. Now they're
in the finals. They have the MVP Jayalen Williams is
growing before our eyes. Chet I think the West's star quality,
oh it is. But all night there, all the picks
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they have, all the young town they have coming up
who just are waiting to get even more playing time.
They have the makings to have that that potential to
be a team that we go shoot. You know, ten
years from now, twenty year, remember that Okay, see team,
But they got to get a name too, right, We
got what we gonna call them. They ain't the Heatles,
they ain't the bad Boys, they ain't the Showtime Lakers,
(12:43):
they ain't the Shock and Kobe Lakers.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Like what we gonna call them?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I don't know. Good question.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We'll see about that, all right, eight seven, seven ninety
nine on Fox. And are the Thunder a great team?
Or are they just having a great season? Where are
you you ready to annoy the great team, one of
the great teams all time because of the stats and
the numbers, or have they just had a great season.
We'll continue that conversation next with you. It is the
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Rob and I talking about. Really, it's a It's a
not an easy thing to answer. But are the thunder
having a great season? When you think of all the accolades,
all the historic things they've done, maybe you consider them
already a great team.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
There's more need to be done.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox, we're taking your cars,
so we got wrapped.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Let's go with Phillip in Oklahoma. You're on the odd
couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's the Philips? Philip Phillip Banks, Hell, gentlemen,
how are.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
You doing good?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
How are you doing great?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Well?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Are you excited about the NBA Finals?
Speaker 7 (14:44):
Yeah? I live in Oklahoma, m'sco your Oklahoma. What My
point is, they got a finish and then we have
the conversations.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Right, I agree with that, no one, no one will
think they were a great team if they don't win.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I don't know we agree on no one.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I agree like they have to win.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
You agree they're young, right, Yes, nobody really knows them
that much. Yet the nation's going to get to know
them if they keep winning. I think it'll grow.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yeah, And that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
I think they have a chance if they are able
to win rob and win this season and come back.
You know, maybe it have to be sixty eight games.
If they mess around to win sixty again and get
back to the finals, win or lose, but they start
to make some noise, get a little rival with somebody.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
That helps.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
To me, no doubt they'd become a rivalry with Minnesota
maybe and the next time down the next playoffs.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Well they could so diver again.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
So Philip, real quick, is this going to be a
series or I know you're a thunder fan. Is this
a blowout or what?
Speaker 7 (15:46):
I don't think it's a blowout.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Okay, all right, that's a series. If you could get
six games, right, that means we got something all right,
Thanks Philip, appreciate it eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, we'll make our picks tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I'm thinking about it. I'm gonna do some more research.
I'm gonna let it. You know, it's worship Wednesday. I'm
I let it get down and resonated my soul before
I picked this. But Rob, I hope it's a good one.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Rob G.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Where are you on the finals? I mean, I don't
want you to make a pick. We'll do that tomorrow
before tip off. But just you're a basketball guy, you
love the Lakers and all that kind of stuff. Where
are you on just the lead into this? Are you
excited to see and see if the thunder can finish
the job? Or maybe the Pacers who weren't supposed to
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beat the Calves who aren't supposed to be the Nicks,
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Can they Can they pull that off?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Because I think there's a compelling story there if the
Pacers went.
Speaker 8 (16:47):
You know, I might be the wrong person to ask,
because you know what we're going to see in this series,
and I think I've said it before on the show,
is that the basketball is going to be incredible, Like
you have the number one offense and the number one defense.
You're asked looking for the on court product to just
be some of the best we've seen in a final,
you know, in a couple of years now, because recently
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there's been a lot of mismatches or it's just been uh,
you know, uninteresting on court.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Well, let's say this real quick, rob g.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Because the last time the number one offense and number
one defense met in the Super Bowl was with your team.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
No, there was one since then. It wasn't It was
even worse than that one. So the last time it
happened in football in the NFL was the Payne Manny Broncos.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Was it okay? Okay?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
And we know how that one ended, and and and
Calvin you know the other one was the Raiders. I
covered that one that in San Diego.
Speaker 8 (17:40):
Yes, that was where our center when a wall and
TJ and then things went sideways from there.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And I think, and I don't remember, you know, totally,
but I think the Bucks defense scored as many touchdowns
as the offense because they every time they intercepted the ball,
they ran into the end zone.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Was unbelieved.
Speaker 8 (17:58):
But if you're a basketball fan, now I know this
wasn't the full season, you know, because like we've seen
with this season, I think okay See was number one
all year defensively and and and Indiana was somewhere in
the top three, and they they closed as I think
number two overall, but number one in the playoffs. Well,
last time we saw something similar was actually in two
thousand and eight with the Boston selexs or the number
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one defense all year and the Lakers after they got
poo had the number one offense, and we saw what
happened there too, and they got to the finals and
Boston beat the crap out of them the Lakers. The
finesse game does not work in these kind of settings.
So it's gonna be great to watch the contrast of styles.
But because of that same thing, when it comes to
defens's offense, I don't think Indiana has a chance at
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all in this Okay So I think it'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Five games.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
The consensus is five. Mike goan to Limon go with four.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Okay eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. If you
want to still join in, you got a chance. Eight seven,
seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. Were you Kelvin?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
I'm sorry I'm ticking the Thunder. I just think they're
just by are the best team in the entire NBA.
What they're able to do on both sides of the ball,
and they have a silent killer in Sga just quietly
goes about thirty thirty five a night.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Just easily none to it but to do it.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
But I will say the three ball is something that'll
be interesting, Rob G and Rob because if the Pacers
are able to Nie Smith, Nimhr, obviously Miles Turner and
of course Tyre's Halliburton, if they're able to hit.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Threes and keep them in this game, and then it
becomes something.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
And we've seen this team be excellent at closing out
games excellent, so we'll see it. Not to mention Pascal Siakam,
if Pascal Siakam comes to play, maybe just maybe you've seens. Yeah,
if he comes to play and doesn't, just well, I'll
let it come to me and if he shows up,
you might have a series. He's good because it can't
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just be Tyrese and the three ball. It has to
be a guy like that.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Hey, Josh in Houston, you're on the odd couple of
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
What's up Josh, Hey, what's going on, fellas?
Speaker 7 (20:02):
I'm good. How a y'all doing today?
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Doing well? Man?
Speaker 7 (20:05):
All right? All right? My whole thing is it depends
on how the referee calls of SBA and you know
how well they can choot for three ball. I don't
think they're approving team yet, but you know, to be great,
you have to win some championships.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And you know what, hey, Josh, the one thing you
said could be the neutralizer on how this thing goes,
because if they don't give SGA like the calls you've
been getting all year, it could you know what I mean, Like, well.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Why why wouldn't he get them?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Because because we've seen it before, like all of a sudden,
like the same way that they let guys right play
rougher against the Joker, Right, they let Minnesota, Am I right?
They let they let let them, they let them beat
them up, you know what I mean, and be really
physical where and during the regular season they were calling that.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
My only caveat to you two would be that I agree,
but that's the difference between regular season and postseason. I
think at this point we're already in the postseason. So
it is what it is, what it is I'm say.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I'm just saying like, if he doesn't get the calls
he's expected, that could change the series.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
More mid rangers in their face. That man is a
mid range maniac. My goodness.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
All right, we have again.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
We got Law Murray on the way. We'll talk some
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Speaker 4 (21:35):
All right, thank you, Monci.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
It is the odd Coopa, Rob Parker, Kevin Washington on
a worship Wednesday. Thanks for rocking with you boys, and
right now ask promise joined by Law Murray covers the
NBA for the athletic Law Murray, the NU on X law.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
What's up man laws for you guys? Oh yeah, one
more time.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Hey, jis to you guys. We get happy to getting
end of the.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Season, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I want to say this though, real quick before we
get into it. Lord and we meet at NABJ in
twenty fourteen. Hasn't been that many years.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
I'm sure we I'm sure we did. I'm sure we did.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
That's crazy though. I just can't get twenty fourteen.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
That was Boston. I remember that one.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Is that it? Law?
Speaker 7 (22:22):
That was the first time. That was the first one
that I was at. Okay, that's when that's when I
met Mark Spears and he told me the three B
B brief brothers.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Yes, very nice and then look at him being brief too,
look out fast and giving us these answers. I'm laughing
right now, Law, because I'm looking at I got some
it's some old picture. You're doing some uh some some
you know, I don't know what. I guess some in
studio work. I remember them days. I'm looking at you
right now, cracking me up. Man. The growth has been great,
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and you know I told you we've had you a
few times on Spectrum News once, so keep doing your thing.
But let me ask you this. Rob and I were
just talking about the thunder. Historically, they have a lot
of things on their side when it comes to the
point differential that things are doing defensively, so on and
so forth. But where do you see this team. Are
we under rated them? How great they are? Do you
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think they're a great team as of now? Do they
have to seal the deal with the championship.
Speaker 7 (23:19):
I think everything has to be taken within the year
that you have what you had. You know, I think
last year we were talking about Boston as you can't
build a team like Boston, and it turned out, you know,
Boston wasn't sustainable past last year. To celebrate them for
last year and what they were able to do, but
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you can't take for granted that you're going to carry
that for years to come. And so with this Oklahoma
City thunder team, they got to win four games, but
if they win those four games, we have to look
at them as one of the greatest teams as far
as a single season ever. I mean, the point differential
speaks for itself. You've never seen a team go to
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a whole entire season with a point differential like they had.
I think there was something that said if they lost
every single game that they won by single digits year,
they would have still had the best record in the
league this year. That's that's how dominant that they were.
They beat you, and they beat you bad, so they
but low.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
If they lose, why does all of that go out
the window, because nobody would say that they still were
a great team.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
And they just lost, like.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
They would be a great team that didn't win the championship.
Let's put it that way, Like they had a great
run to this point. It's the same with the twenty
sixteen Warriors. Maybe you look at the twenty sixteen Warriors
differently because that was a team that was defending a championship.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, they had already won, though, and that saved them.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
I don't even think that that saves them as bucks.
It's like, look, that team was great and then they
blew a three one league. That team's legacy even with
the championshi if that they won, they they're they're always
going to talk about the one that got away.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Well they should because no other team in the NBA
history has ever given up a three to one lead
in the final, So they should. People should always talk
about that. I always say, you know, Steph Curry's the
author of that one.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I mean, there's no getting away with that. I agree.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Yeah, So I think every every team, you gotta know,
just take it. Within a year and what this thunder
team has done to this point speaks of greatness. But
they all know they got they got four more games
to go. If they win it, then they're every team
is going to look at them and try and stack
their roster like they did. Good luck doing that, because
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not every team is gonna be willing to just give
you draft picks, and not every team owner is going
to be willing to tank and get as fortunate as
they got. If if they don't win it, then we're gonna,
honestly just look at Indiana and we're gonna talk about
one of the greatest roads ever taken to win a champion,
the greatest underdogs ever.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I'm glad you said that, because that is the story
that they're writing, and and and you would be able
to put You want to talk about putting together documentary
with the games that they came back and won as
epic is just absolutely epic, including that first game against
the Knicks down fourteen with two thirty eight to go.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Law I mean, Indiana.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Wasn't supposed to be here. They weren't supposed to be Cleveland,
they weren't supposed to be the Knicks. When the Knicks
beat Boston, everybody thought, oh, the Knicks are going to
the championship.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Like like, that's what people were thinking.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
I mean, go back rock to the way they put
up the Bucks.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
Yep, exactly. I'll just have to say that I think
more people talked about the Milwaukee Bucks this year right
than the Indiana Patients. And that's despite the fact that
Indiana went to the conference finals. They were a disrespected team.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Kelvin and I didn't talk about them, and we said
guilt and apologized we didn't. We didn't talk about them
at all. We took them as a as an oversight.
I'm dead, sir. We just didn't.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
And I think that's something that you can blame Indiana
a little bit for that. That's what happens when you
start ten and fifteen and you aren't on people's radars
going into the twenty twenty four playoffs. But the vengeance
soar since I would say January has been serious. I mean,
the record speaks for herself, to style of play speaks
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for himself, and that's what I love about the Pacers, Honestly,
that's what I love about the Thunder, Like the Thunder
were overlooked by a lot of teams too, because they
were quote unquote too young. Because they were the one
seat last year. They were barely the one seat last year,
and they were upset in the semi finals. They didn't
have a guy that had stamped his place as a
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star based on postseason play. They had to grow even
in this postseason. But that's the lesson, and I feel
like we're learning in the twenty twenties as these teams
identify how they're going to play, how they're going to
put their rosters together, how they're going to approach the
game of basketball. I think we got to give some
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respect to what they're able to do. I mean, I
think a lot of people looked at the New York Knicks.
I think they wanted the New York Knicks to be
better than they actually were. That's one reason why they're
head coach. Ain't the coach no more Like a lot
of people were projecting greatness, but they hadn't demonstrated that
they were a great team. The first moment that they
showed that they were special was when they beat the
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Boston Celtics the defending chance, and they failed to validate
that series in the Conference finals against the Pacers. So
going forward, like we're going to have to take all
these teams at face value, like we will project, but
it's like, have you beaten the best teams? Are you
beating them convincingly? What is your style of play on
both sides of the basketball and just go from there.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Lo Murray our guests here on the one couple, Rob
Parker kelvin Washington on a worship Wednesday covers the NBA
for the athletic Let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
We just you mentioned obviously TIBs getting fired. What do
you think they do now?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
I mean, is this was this something that players got
them out? Uh, there's a whole bunch of weird stuff.
When you start to look at Leon Rose and that
was his agent, but he's also cool with Carlthony Towns.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
How about that they didn't get to the finals and
choked down game one and two at home? I know,
got guess it is everybody in New York expected Law
to get to.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
The finals and they didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
No, they did not.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
They did not. Yes they did once they tell us man,
once they beat the Celtics, that.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Was the expectation. If I'm telling you, they beat the
defending champs, put the roster.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
Together to be one of the best teams in the league,
and to be honest with you, they were never that team.
During the regular season. They went against the Celtics, Thecaviliers
in the Thunder, the three teams that all won at
least sixty games, and good for them, they won. They
beat the Celtics down double biggest in five of those games. Okay,
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And it's not like they were great against the Pistons. Again,
give them credit for beating the Pistons.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
But there they won three road games against the Pistons,
I mean, they say.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
And they also lost multiple home games against a team
that had made the playoffs while had won a player.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, but but to me, when they had to go
on the road and win, that showed me something. You
can see there all day. You got to go on
the road and beat a team that supposedly, with Ky
Cunningham was the best player, that's everybody was saying, the
best player on the court, and.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Still beat them in their home ballpark.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
And the other thing is they did have the Pacers
down by fourteen and took their foot off the gas
and choked that down. But it was like they got
blown out in Game one at seventy eight points from
their two stars, and they couldn't close the deal. He
deserved to be fired in my opinion, because you you
have to win and beat the the you have to
beat the Pacers. After you beat the Celtics, you do
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well well.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
I think the bottom line is this, relationships are the
biggest thing in sports. Right last year, you had those
guys looking like they were together, and then they made
two big trades. One of them cost them a lot
of assets in first round picks to get Michel Bridges.
The other one right before camp, cost you who for
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years was the best players, the best reclamation projects that
kids had in New York and Julius Randall. You cashed
in assets to get the team that you put together.
And it's after you paid Tom Thibodeau. You gave him
the extension. Right, so the expectations were raised. They never
really played like a great team, but they were a
good team. And I don't want to take anything away
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from the things that they did accomplish, but they had
heightened expectations. They did not look like a team that
was worth all that they gave up to get to
put that team together. And the bottom line is if
everybody was cool and those exitner dudes at Michel Bridges,
Karlin Dean Town suggested that hey, like I can handle
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all these minutes, I can handle my roles, I can
do what I'm supposed to do on both ends of
the floor. Then Tom Thibodeau is there. I don't think
that was the case. It felt like that wasn't going
to be the case whenever they got knocked out, and
they got knocked out, don't I.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Don't agree with that.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
If they if they got to the finals, nobody cares
how raggedy it looked to get there.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
No I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I'm saying, if they got there, nobody would care about
through how raggedy and how many minutes they played. It
was about getting to the finals. And if they got
to the finals, no matter how his coaching style and
all these others didn't play the bench. Had they beaten
the Pacers and got to the NBA finals for the
first time in twenty five years, Thibodeau is a toast
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of the town. It's that he didn't get to the finals.
That's nothing to me.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
I just think it's the eleven playoff he's won and
they hadn't done anything before him.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I think that it's the finals.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
That's that's what nobody they thought they were going to
find his beginning of this show. Yes, after they beat
they did. Lord, appreciate you as always.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
Yes, thank you, Hey, thank you guys for having me,
no doubt.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
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Speaker 5 (33:33):
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Speaker 2 (34:00):
Here's five crowds that when I'm planning here even number
figure it out.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
It's right.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
It's one's gotta go. Where we talk about something that's
gotta go, no longer talking about it out of our
lexicon for good. It's normally Kelvin segment. But I hijacked
this week. Yeah, don't be doing that like he ain't
in the studio. So let's let's me free range a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Stop snitching like Rob Park earlier snitching today out here, Rob,
I don't know what is.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
So talking about.
Speaker 8 (34:25):
We're on the eve of Game one of the NBA Finals,
and here's a good one for you, all right. I
looked it up. I look through all the Googles, all
the websites, Yahoo, being at, whatever your favorite one is.
I said, give me the list of all the celebrity
Indiana Pacers fans. Luckily for us, there literally is only
five of them, so we got five names. One's gotta go.
When you say that you gotta go, it means their
entire catalog is gone. You can no longer watch it.
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All right, here's the list. Terry Cruz, Jesse Eisenberg from
the social network. I know Roberts know where that is.
David Letterman, Mike Epps, and Vivida Fox. Rob didn't say
this is easy. This is no, so he's gonna go second.
This is he's gonna go second.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Moncey, Hi, guys, Oh my gosh, okay, say them one
more time.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
I think I know my answer, but I just want
to confirm. Terry Crews, Jesse Eisenberg, David let him In,
Mike Epps, Vivia Fox.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
It might have to be you guys call me.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I mean, it's gonna have to be.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Jesse.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
He's the only one who's made a good movie. But no,
I mean you know what I mean, Like critically.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I don't care Terry Crews.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Like that means I can't never watch White Chicks again. No, no, no,
like it's gotta have to be Jesse for.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Me, for me, Rob Parker, sorry, Terry Crews. No, yes, no,
Terry Crews. Even though I don't even know who the
other person was who just said that guy was Jesse
Eisenberg from the Social network, so I don't know who
that is, but I still would go against Terry Crews.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I don't know all those I'm out on Terry crew
Sorry about that.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
I feel like there's something you ain't telling us.
Speaker 8 (36:08):
No, I'm just I don't know some of those I
don't want muscle bound black.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
They gotta be a little bit.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Slimmer than that.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
There's something, there's something else to it.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I'm just saying I don't I've never met him or anything,
or like I got some caught of rub against Terry Crews.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I'm just I've seen the act. I'm just not that impressed.
I'm sorry, and I get that, but they're just easy
to be entertained by.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Like you're right, and there's I'm not you know.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
I'm not trying to destroy his portfolio or whatever.
Speaker 8 (36:39):
But ah, his stuff is easy and fun.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
I could I could live without it. Now, here's what
makes this chant I have. Oh, I'm sorry if I
Jesse Eisenberger. I didn't want to get rid of cause
I think he is a good act and everything at all.
But he doesn't really have the filmography like you think
he does. Yeah, and the ones that he's in aren't.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
That great, Like it's like all right outside of social networking.
Maybe like one other so maybe zombie ling maybe.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Yeah again, but I don't it's funny. It was cute,
but I don't have to see it. Again, and then
Terry Crews. Here's a sneaky part.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
He's in a few movies where his role was small,
but the movie was his Training Day. Right, you lose
do I lose Training Day? Rob Gi?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
You know?
Speaker 5 (37:23):
So if I'm going by your literal, I lose everything
they're part of, then it has to be Jesse, even
though I like Jesse because he doesn't do enough Terry
Crew just by like you mentioned white girls, I'm losing.
I'm losing everybody Chris, white chicks. I mean the white girl.
I mean, I mean white chicks.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
With college camp.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
No, no, no, hold up, you don't we just you
not got a sister at the crib. Don't do me.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
Yeah, I'm losing. You'll be losing white chicks. I'll be
losing everybody hates Chris. I'll be losing too much. So
so Jesse is the answer for me.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
All Right, Alex, this is easy. Sure, I just looked
up his whole cat. Don't care if I never see
these movies again. Mike aps, Wow, movie I'm looking at that.
I'm gonna say, yeah, I'd missed that. I didn't care
for Hangover. It was too popular, it was so good.
Didn't care for what are the other big Friday Friday?
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Yeah, I mean he's not even Friday. It wasn't no.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Yeah see, I got to keep the best one. I'm chilling, sorry,
Mike Gaps. You just like I feel like he's like
the friend of Adam Sandler that just gets the movies
because he knows somebody, you know.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
That's not well. I he doesn't have the greatest either filmography.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
Yeah, I don't remember him in any of them.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
I mean, you got this was tough for me.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
I still want to be invited to the cookout, and
I do celebrate the movie. Booty Call a Lot differ
Box gotta go.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Oh my, you're not coming to any barbecue.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
You're gone, rob g you can't lose. So you can't lose.
Set it off, you can't lose Independence Day. You can't
do it. Just like it all right, m Robgie. I'm
taking your black car, Robbie.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I keep in mind from g
Speaker 3 (39:11):
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