April 25, 2023 • 38 mins
Chris and Rob discuss how Jimmy Butler’s iconic 56-point performance could impact his Basketball Hall of Fame case in the future, tell us if Giannis and the Milwaukee Bucks are dead men walking after falling behind 3-1 to the Miami Heat and share their thoughts on De’Aaron Fox’s decision to play through his hand injury. Plus, NBA champion and FOX Sports Radio NBA analyst Antonio Daniels swings by to discuss LeBron James’ 20-20 game against the Memphis Grizzlies, the most concerning part about the Phoenix Suns and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:32):
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an unbelievable true story of how George Foreman went from
winning the Olympic gold medal and the heavyweight championship to
retiring to then returning to the ring ten years later.
(00:54):
The movie is out, folks, Big George Former or will
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you think you're gonna check that out?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Absolutely? I told you I was a part of that.
I watched a big fight with Michael Moore. I sat
ringside Chris in Las Vegas for that. It was an
unbelievable punch. I still remember it. He was getting George
was getting hammered by Michael Way younger Michael Moore making
those ribs, barbecue ribs, you know what I'm saying, and
then he knocked him out.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
That's one of those.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Things that you don't lose is your power, you know
what I mean. And Foreman obviously could take a punch because,
like you said, he was getting pummeled and he'd be
taking some big shots. He won those boxing fans out
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he fought Ali. I think he had been in prison.
(01:53):
He learned how to box in prison, came out. He's
really big.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Ali knocked him out. I think in the eleventh round
in the seventy.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well George Forman and ron Lyle, I believe it was.
Lyle had an absolute knockdown, drag out war and any
boxing fan go check it out on YouTube, and they
were just knocking each other all over the ring and
Forming ended up winning. That was after he lost to
La or to Ali, and he became vulnerable and that
(02:23):
led to his life transformation, which you can check out
in the movie Big. George Foreman definitely would recommended.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
No, I saw it.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It was great.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I want to say one thing to you real quick,
and then we're going to talk about the heat and
the Bucks. But did you see the stat on the
Bucks when they're down three to one. No, that's what
their record is when they're down three to.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
This is the history of the franchise. Yeah, I mean,
I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Say, Owen, they haven't had a great history other than
when Jabbar was there.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I mean, you know, they were all right with Don Nelson.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
They probably probably I'm gonna say, oh in six oh
and ten that won a game when you're down three.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
To That is this current group or you know, yeah recent.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
No, that's all time Bucks, all time series record Chris
when they're trailing three to one. So when it they're
down three to one, doesn't seem like his fight back
in the organization. Obviously, different players, different times, you know
what I mean. But it's just interesting that they're oh
and ten and we saw Miami do this to them
in twenty twenty in the bubble.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, I mean, this is this is a little different.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
In that Jannis obviously missed the ball of the first
two games.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
But look, I'm not saying obviously.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
They should have won yesterday, though they were a bit
they should.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Have won yesterday yesterday, and in fairness to the Heat,
I know it was early, but the Heat jumped on
Milwaukee even when Yiannis was there for that first game
before he got so there there are Look, Milwauke or
Miami played hard, they're well coached. And Jimmy Butler and
we'll get to him, We'll get to the Bucks a
(04:04):
little later, Rob in the next segment.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
But I just want to show that he just jumped
out off to me.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I mean a lot of times, not all the time.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I think this is an example of how it's not
true all the time. But Rob, most cases, that team
that's up three to one is just better, you know
what I mean. So, yeah, of course they're gonna win
ninety five percent of the time or whatever because they're
just the better team in getting that three to one.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
League not always the case.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
You saw Detroit beat Orlando when they were up three
to one famously, and Tracy McGrady said, uh, I thought
he thought the series was over. Now Tracy says he
never said it. Didn't he come on this show and
say he never.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Said, Chris, what he said is fin And I give
Tracy credit.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
He said, show me that.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Let me hear the tape right, because he didn't say
it on tape, Chris, So there's no were you there, yes, yes,
So nobody.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I mean this is you know, trades McGrady didn't playing
the stone age. I mean the guys had recorders. You
know that nobody.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Whoever talked down there wasted what was a was a
like like probably didn't save it like.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
It wasn't on TV camera.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I used to do.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
So if you do that, Chrise, you don't hold all
your interviews. You don't have my tape to do that.
So He's right, nobody has a tape of them. But
I remember writers coming in, you know, to the business saying,
you know what, Tracy McGrady thought the series was over,
I swear, so I know that that had to happen.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well remember and and I'm not really defending him, but Rob,
you remember first round series used to be best of five.
It was that year and this wasn't the next right
in the first year, So I mean there's a little
he was a young kid too, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I guess a little a little context.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
But but I guess on thing is if you thought
you won, I'm not saying you were that a big celebration,
but there would have been a little bit more to
it than what it was.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Ye in the locker room of the guys, coach would
have said something.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
He would have had a speech and said, oh my god,
what we're going on to the next round?
Speaker 5 (06:10):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Like Rob, That was an interesting situation for so many
ways reasons. Because one, Tracy was fantastic and he really
has good numbers in most of his playoff series even
though he never won one, so people ripping him for that,
but he never again never went on to win the
playoff series.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
But Doc rivers.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Rob, who had been phenomenal in his first year or
I think it was a year. This was this I
believe his second year as a head coach, but maybe
it was his third.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But he had been great in Orlando initially.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And Rob that team didn't they lose like they lost
something like sixteen straight games to open the season.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It was something crazy, and so.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Doc lost that series that up three to one, and
then the next season started off horribly and was fired.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
So he had been there.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Why he had one, two, three, four, it was his
fifth he was there fired in his fifth season. Rob,
they started one in ten. So after Tracy said that.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I'm not blaming it on Tracy obviously, but.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
After Tracy said they thought they had won the series,
they went on to lose thirteen of their next fourteen games,
and it caught Dock Rivers' job in Orlando.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So that was that was crazy. But let's get to
Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Rob and I brought this up actually obviously not knowing
he was gonna go for fifty six points.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
He was on his way to a big night, and
you brought it up, but we didn't final yet.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
We didn't known have fifty sixty.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Six the fourth highest scoring playoff game in history, tied
with a few guys, but Jordan with the sixty three
is number one, Elgin Baylor sixty one, and then Donovan
Mitchell fifty seven. We haven't seen that Donovan this year,
that's for sure against the Knicks, and then Donovan or
Jimmy Butler with.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Fifty six tied. I believe with Charles Barkley, but Rob,
I brought it up. And I'm not.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Really saying this definitive yet, but I do think that
Jimmy Butler is making a beginning to really make a
case where you have to wonder is this guy gonna
be a Hall of Famer? And I know he obviously
doesn't have a championship, but everybody, of course in the
Hall of Fame doesn't. And I also think Rob people
(08:42):
would look and say, well, obviously he's been very good
in the regular season, but.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
They might say, well.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
He just because he has become such a great player
in the playoffs. And just for a little little context
on around that Rob little history for people. This series,
he's averaging thirty six points a game on sixty three
percent shooting. He's not a good three point shoot, he's
a thirty two percent career three point shooter. But he's
shooting fifty three percent from three this series against the Bucks.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Which is it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And the butt trop got two players and Drew Holliday
and Brook Lopez who will likely be on the All
NBA All Defensive Team first or second team.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And then that's not to mention Giannis.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Obviously he's only played two of the games, but still
so he's doing it against one of the league's best defenses.
Rob last year they got to the conference final, he
averages twenty seven points a game in those playoffs.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
The year in the Bubble.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Of course, he leads Miami to the finals, averages twenty
six points a game in those finals, really battled Lebron,
you know. I mean, he obviously couldn't play with Lebron,
but he battled him about as best as you can.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And so his playoff when we say playoff.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Jimmy, it's a history there and Rob I was looking
at and Reggie Miller, the great Reggie Miller, a top
seventy five player of all time, obviously in the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Reggie Miller made five All Star teams. Jimmy Butler's made six.
Reggie Miller made three All NBA teams. Jimmy Butler's made four,
might make five, you know, depending on this year.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
But where was Reggie? Was Reggie third team? Because all
of Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Is a third team, I mean he was when Jordan
he certainly wasn't beating out Jordan. I don't know off
the top of my head, but I would guess second
or third team most of those years. Jimmy made five
All Defensive teams, Reggie none. Jimmy has seven seasons where
(10:59):
he got so some of this is regular season where
averaged twenty or more points a game. Reggie had six
such seasons and they both were made it to the
finals just one time. Air Rob Reggie is most known,
and I actually think what helped him really make him
(11:20):
a superstar, make him a household name, and make him
you help this Hall of Fame case was his clutch
moments and the fact that he talked so much trash
it was entertaining. It was on the big stage at
Madison Square Garden. He's going at it with Spike Lee. Now,
he had other moments. I remember him against the nets,
(11:43):
hitting some just mammoth clutch shots.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
In the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
You remember Detroit Rob with the big dunk against the Pistons.
So he But my point is his regular season numbers
aren't like Eyepop eighteen three and three.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
But but his wife and Jimmy's the clutch.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Jimmy's got these clutch moments too, So I think there's
he's building the case.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I just think Reggie Miller.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
The things that work in his favor is that when
he retired, he had made the most three point field goals. Now,
now that's when he retired, Chris, so he had back then, right,
you know what I mean? So that was something at
that point. And now, of course he's fourth, but but
at that time, Reggie, that's something that he stood out with.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
When he retired, he was the all time three point.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
And he's one of the best shoot even with you know,
twenty years later or whatever, and he's still one of
the best shooters ever.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah, And and he led the league five years Chris
uh with free throws, like he wasn't considered like one
of those guys. And I'm not saying that Jimmy hasn't
had a good career and you're stacking up and putting
some things together, but I didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
You don't think of him, right, I've never because men
so we kind of.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
And Reggie was also a part of christ the fifty
to forty ninety club, which is exclusive only a handful
of players. I think Kyrie's made it twice. I think
it is only like five or six players in that club.
Do you know that, Yeah, like Larry Bird Kyrie twice.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I think Nash did it.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Nash did it, and and Reggie Miller.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I mean, and that's fifty percent from the field, forty
percent from three to ninety from the free throw line, which.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Is Reggie did his stuff. In eighteen years. Jimmy's done
it in twelve.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I think where Jimmy, no one expected him to be
a great NBA player. Let's just keep it real. I mean,
Robbie started in Chicago, he averaged two points as a rookie.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Dereck Rose was the show.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Even now, it's hard to think of Jimmy Butler being
better than Dereck Rose. You know, having a better career
than Derrick Rose. Obviously is because Roe was injured, right,
But you know Jimmy Butler wasn't supposed to be even
close to this guy.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I mean, like I said, I know, certainly you don't
think Hall of Famer, but I.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Think I'm trying to look at it objectively. Now.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
One thing that could hurt him Rob is you know,
he's been injured a lot. Now he's you know, he's
typically he hasn't been like an Anthony. I mean, he's
he's played, you know a lot of seasons. This year
sixty four games, last year, fifty seven games, year before that,
fifty two, the bubble year, only played fifty.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Eight, twenty eighteen, fifty nine.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
You know, he's had he's only had one season where
he's been over seventy games, or played even seventy games.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
But Anthony Davis is like that. Now he's better than Butler.
But you know, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I just think, trying to look at it objectively, I
think this dude is building a case where I got,
you know, give him some consideration.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So it's an interesting situation.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I don't think he's crossed that threshold yet, but sure
be considered. If he continues this pattern. Who knows, it's
only year twelve, he know he might he might win
a championship.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
What if he wins one this year? That would change
the whole narrative, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I mean, if he won this, I can't see that happening.
But you're right. I mean I didn't see him getting
to the finals in the bubble either. So if he
were to somehow win this and look, they take out Milwaukee, hey,
you can't just say they got no shot, right, Milwaukee's
the favorite to win the East.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
You know that would be that would be a big
Domino out falling.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And then why couldn't you because that was supposed to
be a Milwaukee spot.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Right right? All right, we'll get to the Bucks next.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
We don't apologize as we got a new studio that
we can't get you guys involved today.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Yeah, we'll get that track.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
And I think we've had some good questions, right, I
mean we always do, but the Lebron clutch question.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Jimmy Butler h.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Like to hear from our listeners on that stuff. But
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Oh yeah, you did mention that before when you guys
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Gallagher's had a big stead. Your wife was steak eater
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I mean she eats a lot of she's pretty healthy. Yeah, fish,
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I don't remember what she had that night, but you
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Speaker 4 (19:26):
Well my announcement is that I just think that the
heater is gonna win. I think yesterday's game, I really
do like that. That just turned the series for me.
Like they were down big, you know, they got Gianni's
back and looked like, Okay, Giannis is back in there,
They're gonna be fine, you know, and everything the world
is good.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
And then to come back storm back and win the
game the way.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
That they did, and Jimmy Butler and I just and
then the history with the Bucks and we've seen this before.
I don't know if they're the same team. You remember
I picked Miami Chris on the show yesterday and you
were like, oh, yeah, I don't know at that. Remember that, Yeah,
because and I said, I don't know what Johannis you're
getting back now? He played fine, but I didn't know
(20:10):
Jimmy Butler is going to play you know, out of
body experience.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
So so now you got three to make one. It's
the old NBA, Chris, You remember three to make two?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Do you remember that.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
That was a low point in the NBA when they
gave you three?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Gave NBA players three free throws to make two. Three.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Young people probably don't even know that.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I don't even know that it used to be three
to make two, you got three chances to make two free.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I don't. I just don't remember that that was.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
That was in the eighties.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I remember was the seventies. I know that's when I
remember it.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
To make it.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
We'll look it up to give you the exact time.
But anyway, I don't know. I don't have any confidence
in Milwaukee now, I really, I really don't. The way
they gave that game up. That was a huge game
and getting back into series. You get your star back,
You're going home.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
From You're going home. It turns the whole series to me.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Now, look their backs against the wall.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Get put a gun to my head, Rob, And I'm
picking Miami. But I do give the Bucks a legitimate change.
This isn't one of those hey you never know, anything
can happen. I do give them a legitimate chance to
come back. They gotta win three straight. And one reason, yeah,
one reason, Rob, is that Miami is so inconsistent. They're
going to have a clunker probably Game five. But they're
(21:33):
going to have a clunker, and then you gotta you
probably gotta go. You know, I'm assuming they have that
clunker in game five. They're probably going to play well
in game six in Miami, and we know that's not
the greatest crowd in the world, but still you gotta
go down there and win if they at Oh my gosh,
(21:56):
it's crazy down there, but I guess there's a lot
of other things to do, so that's understandable. But yeah,
the Bucks are backs against the wall. And Rob, I mean,
if you're a Lakers fan, if you're a Son's fan, really,
to be honest, any of these teams that are, you know,
trying to win the championship to have a legitimate shot,
(22:19):
you want the Bucks out of there. Because I like
the Golden State. I think that's the team. They want
the Bucks out. Oh my gosh, could you imagine that?
I think that I would pick the Knicks over the Heat.
That's what I'm saying is like, all of a sudden,
the whole dynamics change.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Absolutely, So we'll see be great for the Heat if
they can pull this off and in this thing.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
And I know, I know you like the Bucks most
of the year and Giannis and the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Chris, how surprised are you?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Obviously he didn't get to play in the first two games,
right in the first two Yeah, Well, he played.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
The first win and got hurt minutes right, and then
miss two and three, So there is it is a
little asterisk, I guess.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I mean, not to take anything away from the heat,
but it's right.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
They still got to get it done. But he didn't
play right.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
He didn't.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
They're still in this and I guess, I guess it's
really Uh, it was about last night because he came
back and they had a double digit lead late.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, I mean, there's no reason for them to lose
that game. He had a triple double, so he played fine,
there's no excuse. I mean, they want they split without him, Rob,
you know, so they this is it's.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Not all on Yannis.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Obviously, most of it's probably not on him, but the
rop and I think you and I agree he's the
best player in the world, but he does have deficiencies.
And we all know he's not like a great shooter.
He can shoot, you know, you get hot. I mean,
he's not even as good as shooter as Lebron, and
(24:00):
so when you're laid in a game, it's not like,
you know, he's staff or he's even again Lebron or
Kawhi or for that matter, Jimmy Butler or most of
these other great players, Luca. You know, guys, Rob that
you can give it to him and feel confident in saying,
(24:21):
you know, get me a bucket. I mean, yeah, if
he can get to the hole, he gonna get you
a bucket or a foul and maybe hit the free throws.
But he's not gonna How much confidence are you having
him pulling up in the mid range. You know, obviously
he's not gonna really hit a three. He doesn't shoot
threes that well. So as great as he is, and
again I think he's the best player in the world,
(24:43):
you d have some deficiencies there. And it came out
last night, so we'll see. I'm not writing them off.
But Rob might be right on this when he's got
him dead to rights. All right, it's the eye couple,
Christ and Rob. We are continuing here, and we got
our man Antonio Daniel up, so we'll talk some NBA
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Radio NBA analysts Antonio Daniels, Antonio, what's up?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Brother?
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Ya yo?
Speaker 7 (25:40):
Tellers, sellers, tell us what's going on.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
We're sorry to get to you so late. We're gonna
try to keep you.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Give you later.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, we're in these new studios and things are kind
of going haywire. But let's get to it. Jimmy Butler
fifty six points last night. Let's start with him. I'm
sure Rob will asked you about the Bucks and their
precarious position.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
But what is it he is?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
He denied it last night, I mean kind of laughed
it off. It's not a thing, this playoff, Jimmy, But
it is a thing he is. I mean, he's a
very good player in the regular season. He becomes like
a top ten player in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
What is it about a guy?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
And maybe have you played with guys orl or even
played against guys that just got much better in the
bright lights of the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
For me, I think the mindset is different in the postseason.
Obviously there's more on the table, there's more responsibility, accountability,
more I but also there's more rest. Right, there's no
back to backs, there's no three games in fortnights. You know,
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the travel is not as bad, so you get an
opportunity to kind of zone in a little bit more.
And I heard him kind of push it to the side,
you know, the whole playoff Jimmy thing, And it is
a thing. It really is a thing because if you
think about Jimmy Butler in the postseason, it's a crazy thing.
We had a guy calling our serrh S XIM show
(27:14):
last week and telling me and my co host we
were crazy for talking so good about Jimmy Butler because
he never shows up in the postseason. But gonna makes
you wonder how much people actually watch.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Back show, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Right?
Speaker 7 (27:32):
And the thing is his postseason, his postseason presence is
amazing to me. Like Chris, I believe you said that
maybe in the postseason he becomes a top ten player,
And I think that's a balanced statement.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Let me ask you about the Bucks and what happened
will Hop and Lucy last night. Because they get Gianni's back,
they got double digit lead, and they choked that one down. Uh,
that's a series changing loss right there.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
To me, I mean that that's a huge they've done.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
In your opinion, Yeah, where.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Are you going now?
Speaker 7 (28:08):
I don't I don't think they're done. I do feel
like Milwaukee has a team constructed to win three games
in a row. Obviously it's not going to be easy.
But for me and I felt this way after Game three,
I felt like there were some organizational arrogance that came
along with sitting Jannis back to back games. I felt
(28:30):
that they felt, meaning Milwaukee, that they were good enough
to if they lost Game three, which they did, to
then come back with Yanni's and then win Game four.
So I felt like there were some organizational arrogance that
came along with sitting Yannis a little bit longer than
maybe they thought they could get away with doing that
(28:52):
with with Miami. Because any way you look at it,
anyway you break it down, no one saw Jimmy Butler
going for fix last night, even after the great first
quarter he had. No one thought that when this game
was over, we will be talking about the fourth highest
scoring playoff game in the history. So you don't anticipate
those things. Also, this game is about matchups. And with
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all due respect to Brook Lopez because he was great
yesterday offensively. This is why I am never in favor
of a quote unquote one trick pony winning defensive Player
of the Year because versatility matters. What they're doing is
playing into the strength of the Miami heat, putting Brooke
Blpez in drop coverage. Now you have guys coming up
in pop shointing right, Duncan Robinson, Jimmy Butler, Tyler Hero
(29:42):
when he was playing, Kyle Lowry, Caleb Martin, all these
guys during drop coverage. Because as good as Brook Lopez
has been offensively, his feat aren't going to get faster, right,
So now you don't have a roster constructed to guard
certain things. That's why I've never been in favor of
a guy that simply protects the rims and this era
(30:03):
of NBA being defensive player of the Year, No, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I mean Boston gives them fits defensively as well. You know,
even though they're a great defensive team, Boston gives them trouble,
and obviously the heat, these perimeter teams can kind of
exploit Brooks to some degree. The Lakers last night, I
thought it was a I call it a masterpiece by Lebron.
(30:27):
It was a strange one because there were long stretches
where he was very inactive outside of rebounds. Defense was good, right,
But I thought Antonio he was tired because now you
know you're only getting one day rest in between these games,
and I thought if Memphis won that game, it could
be the Lakers could be in some trouble just because
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now they're playing.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Every other day. Did you think fatigue might have been
a factor. And I mean, this series is likely going
to go to Lakers' way, but do.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
You think that could be something that Memphis tries to
capital can capitalize on in these last three games.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
Here's what was impressive to me about last night's games
is I'm sitting there watching that game, and I think
stan ben Gundi actually commented on it. There was a
time in the third quarter where Lebron, James or Anthony Davis,
they weren't involved offensively at all. And to me, this
is what makes the Lakers dangerous. Anthony Davis has been
up and down like crazy as far as energy is concerned.
(31:27):
His motor yesterday he was not very good at all,
and the totality of the minute that he played. We
can look at the fact that Lebron James had a
twenty twenty seven game, but it's not like Lebron James
was great either, right, and they still won the game
because now you have guys like Austin Reeves, who Lebron
James trust incredibly. You have guys like jan Angelo Russell.
(31:54):
You know, you have guys that are making plays. So
now this isn't a Lebron Dance constructed roster. For whoever
gets the rebound, like, okay, get it back to Lebron. Everybody,
get it back to Lebron. Lebron is getting rebounds and
outletting the ball to Austin Reeves, Lebron getting a rebound,
outletting the ball to D'Angelo Russell. So what you see
with the Lakers now is even if Anthony davis Is
(32:16):
motor is low what seems to be every other game,
they can still offset that with the growth and the
progression from other guys.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Seem to me, yeah, I don't look at them the
same way that you do. I looked at this series
as not just John getting heard they lost the first
game in LA where they shot like six for forty,
which will never happen again, like to start the game.
And even in this game, the last game, and you
talked about what Lebron was able to do. It took
(32:48):
them over time to even win that game. And then
Lebron and them had a golden opportunity in game two
without Job and they got their heads handed to them.
I just look at the series totally different, like they
haven't been that impressive to me, and you just gave
the the I.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
Agree with that. I can agree with that. I'm not
saying they've been incredibly impressive. But the thing for me
at this time of the year, I don't care how
impressive it is. I just care that you win, because
there are teams that have played very well and lost
and that would better be non impressive and winning. They're
very impressive and loose.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Antonio.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
Now even not being impressive Rock if they have a
three to one lead or not being impressive, So then
what think about how this team looks if they are impressive?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Before you go, Antonio, we got about a minute for
your answer. The lots being made of the Suns having
to play Kevin Durant forty four minutes, Yeah, forty three,
Chris Paul thirty nine. How big of a difference is
three minutes in an NBA game, Like the difference between
(33:58):
if Chris Paul was playing thirty five minutes, I don't
know that people would be complaining and if Kevin, I
mean forty anytime over.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Forty people might say something.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
But you know it is three four minutes that big
of a difference where people should be alarmed at these minutes.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
See for me, it's not the minutes I know for
myself and watching these games. But I'm watching Phoenix and
I see a team that I picked to come out
the West and to win it all, and they look
beatable because the thing that they haven't looked, they haven't
looked on the same page to me. And there comes
a point in the NBA games where talent takes over, right,
(34:36):
But if you watch the Phoenix Stunts team play, it's
a delinked the amount of time where Kevin Durant is
standing in the corner or Devin Booker is standing in
the corner, it almost has the Kyrie Irving Field to
me where.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Even Kyrie and Durant last year's.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
Boston exactly where it's like your turn, my turn, your turn,
my turn. It's a matter of time before that talent
this kicks in and then kind of elevates you. So
what's scary is what happened with Phoenix runs into a
team that is cooking chemistry wise, camaraderie, which on both
sides of the basketball. That's what's problematic for me.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
All Right, that's our man, Antonio o'daniels. Great stuff as always, brother, Appreciate.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
You for sure. Appreciated tellers.
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Speaker 2 (36:39):
Against the Warriors.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
You have a splint on his just the tip of
his finger which is fractured on his shooting hand. And
Robbie was shooting around today and I mean, this is
take it or leave it. But one reporter said that
he saw in go one for six from three point
land with the splint.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
He's obviously getting.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
Used to it, right.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, it'll be a little bit of a factor, but
he's still got that speed. He's not a great three
point shooter, even though he's hit some big threes obviously
in this series. He's that's not his game. He's only
a thirty two point shooter. He's more getting to the
hole or in the mid range. And you know he's
(37:23):
a professional, so I think he'll he'll be able to
adjust to some degree. But look, bottom line, Rob, if
you're a Warriors fan, they need.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
To go in and get this game.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You gotta get one in Sacramento if you the best
one to get psychologically, Rob is the game where their
star is injured, right, and so you lose that, I
think you're give an advantage to Sacramento.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Mentally, I agree, I think that that is a huge game,
especially if he's not right. If they win that game
quick and he's not right, I mean, what right?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
If he comes out and drops thirty, then hey, it's
just a regular game. He's obviously playing well.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
But if he's scuffling and they still win or beat you,
then I don't I don't know how You're don't think
anything other than yeah, it gonna be hard.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I mean, I wouldn't write him off because you know
they could win the game seven there, but they need
to get this one game five and then close it
out at home in six.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
Absolutely? I told you I was a part of that.
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That's one of those.
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He learned how to box in prison, came out. He's
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Speaker 2 (01:56):
Ali knocked him out. I think in the eleventh round
in the seventy.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well George Forman and ron Lyle, I believe it was.
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Forming ended up winning. That was after he lost to
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(02:23):
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Speaker 5 (02:30):
No, I saw it.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It was great.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I want to say one thing to you real quick,
and then we're going to talk about the heat and
the Bucks. But did you see the stat on the
Bucks when they're down three to one. No, that's what
their record is when they're down three to.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
This is the history of the franchise. Yeah, I mean,
I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Say, Owen, they haven't had a great history other than
when Jabbar was there.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I mean, you know, they were all right with Don Nelson.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
They probably probably I'm gonna say, oh in six oh
and ten that won a game when you're down three.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
To That is this current group or you know, yeah recent.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
No, that's all time Bucks, all time series record Chris
when they're trailing three to one. So when it they're
down three to one, doesn't seem like his fight back
in the organization. Obviously, different players, different times, you know
what I mean. But it's just interesting that they're oh
and ten and we saw Miami do this to them
in twenty twenty in the bubble.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, I mean, this is this is a little different.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
In that Jannis obviously missed the ball of the first
two games.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
But look, I'm not saying obviously.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
They should have won yesterday, though they were a bit
they should.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Have won yesterday yesterday, and in fairness to the Heat,
I know it was early, but the Heat jumped on
Milwaukee even when Yiannis was there for that first game
before he got so there there are Look, Milwauke or
Miami played hard, they're well coached. And Jimmy Butler and
we'll get to him, We'll get to the Bucks a
(04:04):
little later, Rob in the next segment.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
But I just want to show that he just jumped
out off to me.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I mean a lot of times, not all the time.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I think this is an example of how it's not
true all the time. But Rob, most cases, that team
that's up three to one is just better, you know
what I mean. So, yeah, of course they're gonna win
ninety five percent of the time or whatever because they're
just the better team in getting that three to one.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
League not always the case.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
You saw Detroit beat Orlando when they were up three
to one famously, and Tracy McGrady said, uh, I thought
he thought the series was over. Now Tracy says he
never said it. Didn't he come on this show and
say he never.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Said, Chris, what he said is fin And I give
Tracy credit.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
He said, show me that.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Let me hear the tape right, because he didn't say
it on tape, Chris, So there's no were you there, yes, yes,
So nobody.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I mean this is you know, trades McGrady didn't playing
the stone age. I mean the guys had recorders. You
know that nobody.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Whoever talked down there wasted what was a was a
like like probably didn't save it like.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
It wasn't on TV camera.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I used to do.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
So if you do that, Chrise, you don't hold all
your interviews. You don't have my tape to do that.
So He's right, nobody has a tape of them. But
I remember writers coming in, you know, to the business saying,
you know what, Tracy McGrady thought the series was over,
I swear, so I know that that had to happen.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well remember and and I'm not really defending him, but Rob,
you remember first round series used to be best of five.
It was that year and this wasn't the next right
in the first year, So I mean there's a little
he was a young kid too, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I guess a little a little context.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
But but I guess on thing is if you thought
you won, I'm not saying you were that a big celebration,
but there would have been a little bit more to
it than what it was.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Ye in the locker room of the guys, coach would
have said something.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
He would have had a speech and said, oh my god,
what we're going on to the next round?
Speaker 5 (06:10):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Like Rob, That was an interesting situation for so many
ways reasons. Because one, Tracy was fantastic and he really
has good numbers in most of his playoff series even
though he never won one, so people ripping him for that,
but he never again never went on to win the
playoff series.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
But Doc rivers.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Rob, who had been phenomenal in his first year or
I think it was a year. This was this I
believe his second year as a head coach, but maybe
it was his third.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But he had been great in Orlando initially.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And Rob that team didn't they lose like they lost
something like sixteen straight games to open the season.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It was something crazy, and so.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Doc lost that series that up three to one, and
then the next season started off horribly and was fired.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
So he had been there.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Why he had one, two, three, four, it was his
fifth he was there fired in his fifth season. Rob,
they started one in ten. So after Tracy said that.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I'm not blaming it on Tracy obviously, but.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
After Tracy said they thought they had won the series,
they went on to lose thirteen of their next fourteen games,
and it caught Dock Rivers' job in Orlando.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So that was that was crazy. But let's get to
Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Rob and I brought this up actually obviously not knowing
he was gonna go for fifty six points.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
He was on his way to a big night, and
you brought it up, but we didn't final yet.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
We didn't known have fifty sixty.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Six the fourth highest scoring playoff game in history, tied
with a few guys, but Jordan with the sixty three
is number one, Elgin Baylor sixty one, and then Donovan
Mitchell fifty seven. We haven't seen that Donovan this year,
that's for sure against the Knicks, and then Donovan or
Jimmy Butler with.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Fifty six tied. I believe with Charles Barkley, but Rob,
I brought it up. And I'm not.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Really saying this definitive yet, but I do think that
Jimmy Butler is making a beginning to really make a
case where you have to wonder is this guy gonna
be a Hall of Famer? And I know he obviously
doesn't have a championship, but everybody, of course in the
Hall of Fame doesn't. And I also think Rob people
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would look and say, well, obviously he's been very good
in the regular season, but.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
They might say, well.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
He just because he has become such a great player
in the playoffs. And just for a little little context
on around that Rob little history for people. This series,
he's averaging thirty six points a game on sixty three
percent shooting. He's not a good three point shoot, he's
a thirty two percent career three point shooter. But he's
shooting fifty three percent from three this series against the Bucks.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Which is it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And the butt trop got two players and Drew Holliday
and Brook Lopez who will likely be on the All
NBA All Defensive Team first or second team.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And then that's not to mention Giannis.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Obviously he's only played two of the games, but still
so he's doing it against one of the league's best defenses.
Rob last year they got to the conference final, he
averages twenty seven points a game in those playoffs.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
The year in the Bubble.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Of course, he leads Miami to the finals, averages twenty
six points a game in those finals, really battled Lebron,
you know. I mean, he obviously couldn't play with Lebron,
but he battled him about as best as you can.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And so his playoff when we say playoff.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Jimmy, it's a history there and Rob I was looking
at and Reggie Miller, the great Reggie Miller, a top
seventy five player of all time, obviously in the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Reggie Miller made five All Star teams. Jimmy Butler's made six.
Reggie Miller made three All NBA teams. Jimmy Butler's made four,
might make five, you know, depending on this year.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
But where was Reggie? Was Reggie third team? Because all
of Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Is a third team, I mean he was when Jordan
he certainly wasn't beating out Jordan. I don't know off
the top of my head, but I would guess second
or third team most of those years. Jimmy made five
All Defensive teams, Reggie none. Jimmy has seven seasons where
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he got so some of this is regular season where
averaged twenty or more points a game. Reggie had six
such seasons and they both were made it to the
finals just one time. Air Rob Reggie is most known,
and I actually think what helped him really make him
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a superstar, make him a household name, and make him
you help this Hall of Fame case was his clutch
moments and the fact that he talked so much trash
it was entertaining. It was on the big stage at
Madison Square Garden. He's going at it with Spike Lee. Now,
he had other moments. I remember him against the nets,
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hitting some just mammoth clutch shots.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
In the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
You remember Detroit Rob with the big dunk against the Pistons.
So he But my point is his regular season numbers
aren't like Eyepop eighteen three and three.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
But but his wife and Jimmy's the clutch.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Jimmy's got these clutch moments too, So I think there's
he's building the case.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I just think Reggie Miller.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
The things that work in his favor is that when
he retired, he had made the most three point field goals. Now,
now that's when he retired, Chris, so he had back then, right,
you know what I mean? So that was something at
that point. And now, of course he's fourth, but but
at that time, Reggie, that's something that he stood out with.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
When he retired, he was the all time three point.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
And he's one of the best shoot even with you know,
twenty years later or whatever, and he's still one of
the best shooters ever.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah, And and he led the league five years Chris
uh with free throws, like he wasn't considered like one
of those guys. And I'm not saying that Jimmy hasn't
had a good career and you're stacking up and putting
some things together, but I didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
You don't think of him, right, I've never because men
so we kind of.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
And Reggie was also a part of christ the fifty
to forty ninety club, which is exclusive only a handful
of players. I think Kyrie's made it twice. I think
it is only like five or six players in that club.
Do you know that, Yeah, like Larry Bird Kyrie twice.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I think Nash did it.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Nash did it, and and Reggie Miller.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I mean, and that's fifty percent from the field, forty
percent from three to ninety from the free throw line, which.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Is Reggie did his stuff. In eighteen years. Jimmy's done
it in twelve.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I think where Jimmy, no one expected him to be
a great NBA player. Let's just keep it real. I mean,
Robbie started in Chicago, he averaged two points as a rookie.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Dereck Rose was the show.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Even now, it's hard to think of Jimmy Butler being
better than Dereck Rose. You know, having a better career
than Derrick Rose. Obviously is because Roe was injured, right,
But you know Jimmy Butler wasn't supposed to be even
close to this guy.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I mean, like I said, I know, certainly you don't
think Hall of Famer, but I.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Think I'm trying to look at it objectively. Now.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
One thing that could hurt him Rob is you know,
he's been injured a lot. Now he's you know, he's
typically he hasn't been like an Anthony. I mean, he's
he's played, you know a lot of seasons. This year
sixty four games, last year, fifty seven games, year before that,
fifty two, the bubble year, only played fifty.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Eight, twenty eighteen, fifty nine.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
You know, he's had he's only had one season where
he's been over seventy games, or played even seventy games.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
But Anthony Davis is like that. Now he's better than Butler.
But you know, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I just think, trying to look at it objectively, I
think this dude is building a case where I got,
you know, give him some consideration.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So it's an interesting situation.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I don't think he's crossed that threshold yet, but sure
be considered. If he continues this pattern. Who knows, it's
only year twelve, he know he might he might win
a championship.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
What if he wins one this year? That would change
the whole narrative, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I mean, if he won this, I can't see that happening.
But you're right. I mean I didn't see him getting
to the finals in the bubble either. So if he
were to somehow win this and look, they take out Milwaukee, hey,
you can't just say they got no shot, right, Milwaukee's
the favorite to win the East.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
You know that would be that would be a big
Domino out falling.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And then why couldn't you because that was supposed to
be a Milwaukee spot.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Right right? All right, we'll get to the Bucks next.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
We don't apologize as we got a new studio that
we can't get you guys involved today.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Yeah, we'll get that track.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
And I think we've had some good questions, right, I
mean we always do, but the Lebron clutch question.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Jimmy Butler h.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Like to hear from our listeners on that stuff. But
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Yes, yeah, Thursday night, New York. Yeah, I was.
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My wife and I went there probably about I guess
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Would you have or did you have something with a
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Oh yeah, you did mention that before when you guys
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Gallagher's had a big stead. Your wife was steak eater
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I mean she eats a lot of she's pretty healthy. Yeah, fish,
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I don't remember what she had that night, but you
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Speaker 4 (19:26):
Well my announcement is that I just think that the
heater is gonna win. I think yesterday's game, I really
do like that. That just turned the series for me.
Like they were down big, you know, they got Gianni's
back and looked like, Okay, Giannis is back in there,
They're gonna be fine, you know, and everything the world
is good.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
And then to come back storm back and win the
game the way.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
That they did, and Jimmy Butler and I just and
then the history with the Bucks and we've seen this before.
I don't know if they're the same team. You remember
I picked Miami Chris on the show yesterday and you
were like, oh, yeah, I don't know at that. Remember that, Yeah,
because and I said, I don't know what Johannis you're
getting back now? He played fine, but I didn't know
(20:10):
Jimmy Butler is going to play you know, out of
body experience.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
So so now you got three to make one. It's
the old NBA, Chris, You remember three to make two?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Do you remember that.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
That was a low point in the NBA when they
gave you three?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Gave NBA players three free throws to make two. Three.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Young people probably don't even know that.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I don't even know that it used to be three
to make two, you got three chances to make two free.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I don't. I just don't remember that that was.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
That was in the eighties.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I remember was the seventies. I know that's when I
remember it.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
To make it.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
We'll look it up to give you the exact time.
But anyway, I don't know. I don't have any confidence
in Milwaukee now, I really, I really don't. The way
they gave that game up. That was a huge game
and getting back into series. You get your star back,
You're going home.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
From You're going home. It turns the whole series to me.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Now, look their backs against the wall.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Get put a gun to my head, Rob, And I'm
picking Miami. But I do give the Bucks a legitimate change.
This isn't one of those hey you never know, anything
can happen. I do give them a legitimate chance to
come back. They gotta win three straight. And one reason, yeah,
one reason, Rob, is that Miami is so inconsistent. They're
going to have a clunker probably Game five. But they're
(21:33):
going to have a clunker, and then you gotta you
probably gotta go. You know, I'm assuming they have that
clunker in game five. They're probably going to play well
in game six in Miami, and we know that's not
the greatest crowd in the world, but still you gotta
go down there and win if they at Oh my gosh,
(21:56):
it's crazy down there, but I guess there's a lot
of other things to do, so that's understandable. But yeah,
the Bucks are backs against the wall. And Rob, I mean,
if you're a Lakers fan, if you're a Son's fan, really,
to be honest, any of these teams that are, you know,
trying to win the championship to have a legitimate shot,
(22:19):
you want the Bucks out of there. Because I like
the Golden State. I think that's the team. They want
the Bucks out. Oh my gosh, could you imagine that?
I think that I would pick the Knicks over the Heat.
That's what I'm saying is like, all of a sudden,
the whole dynamics change.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Absolutely, So we'll see be great for the Heat if
they can pull this off and in this thing.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
And I know, I know you like the Bucks most
of the year and Giannis and the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Chris, how surprised are you?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Obviously he didn't get to play in the first two games,
right in the first two Yeah, Well, he played.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
The first win and got hurt minutes right, and then
miss two and three, So there is it is a
little asterisk, I guess.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I mean, not to take anything away from the heat,
but it's right.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
They still got to get it done. But he didn't
play right.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
He didn't.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
They're still in this and I guess, I guess it's
really Uh, it was about last night because he came
back and they had a double digit lead late.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, I mean, there's no reason for them to lose
that game. He had a triple double, so he played fine,
there's no excuse. I mean, they want they split without him, Rob,
you know, so they this is it's.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Not all on Yannis.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Obviously, most of it's probably not on him, but the
rop and I think you and I agree he's the
best player in the world, but he does have deficiencies.
And we all know he's not like a great shooter.
He can shoot, you know, you get hot. I mean,
he's not even as good as shooter as Lebron, and
(24:00):
so when you're laid in a game, it's not like,
you know, he's staff or he's even again Lebron or
Kawhi or for that matter, Jimmy Butler or most of
these other great players, Luca. You know, guys, Rob that
you can give it to him and feel confident in saying,
(24:21):
you know, get me a bucket. I mean, yeah, if
he can get to the hole, he gonna get you
a bucket or a foul and maybe hit the free throws.
But he's not gonna How much confidence are you having
him pulling up in the mid range. You know, obviously
he's not gonna really hit a three. He doesn't shoot
threes that well. So as great as he is, and
again I think he's the best player in the world,
(24:43):
you d have some deficiencies there. And it came out
last night, so we'll see. I'm not writing them off.
But Rob might be right on this when he's got
him dead to rights. All right, it's the eye couple,
Christ and Rob. We are continuing here, and we got
our man Antonio Daniel up, so we'll talk some NBA
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Speaker 2 (25:38):
Brother?
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Ya yo?
Speaker 7 (25:40):
Tellers, sellers, tell us what's going on.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
We're sorry to get to you so late. We're gonna
try to keep you.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Give you later.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, we're in these new studios and things are kind
of going haywire. But let's get to it. Jimmy Butler
fifty six points last night. Let's start with him. I'm
sure Rob will asked you about the Bucks and their
precarious position.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
But what is it he is?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
He denied it last night, I mean kind of laughed
it off. It's not a thing, this playoff, Jimmy, But
it is a thing he is. I mean, he's a
very good player in the regular season. He becomes like
a top ten player in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
What is it about a guy?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
And maybe have you played with guys orl or even
played against guys that just got much better in the
bright lights of the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
For me, I think the mindset is different in the postseason.
Obviously there's more on the table, there's more responsibility, accountability,
more I but also there's more rest. Right, there's no
back to backs, there's no three games in fortnights. You know,
(26:52):
the travel is not as bad, so you get an
opportunity to kind of zone in a little bit more.
And I heard him kind of push it to the side,
you know, the whole playoff Jimmy thing, And it is
a thing. It really is a thing because if you
think about Jimmy Butler in the postseason, it's a crazy thing.
We had a guy calling our serrh S XIM show
(27:14):
last week and telling me and my co host we
were crazy for talking so good about Jimmy Butler because
he never shows up in the postseason. But gonna makes
you wonder how much people actually watch.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Back show, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Right?
Speaker 7 (27:32):
And the thing is his postseason, his postseason presence is
amazing to me. Like Chris, I believe you said that
maybe in the postseason he becomes a top ten player,
And I think that's a balanced statement.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Let me ask you about the Bucks and what happened
will Hop and Lucy last night. Because they get Gianni's back,
they got double digit lead, and they choked that one down. Uh,
that's a series changing loss right there.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
To me, I mean that that's a huge they've done.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
In your opinion, Yeah, where.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Are you going now?
Speaker 7 (28:08):
I don't I don't think they're done. I do feel
like Milwaukee has a team constructed to win three games
in a row. Obviously it's not going to be easy.
But for me and I felt this way after Game three,
I felt like there were some organizational arrogance that came
along with sitting Jannis back to back games. I felt
(28:30):
that they felt, meaning Milwaukee, that they were good enough
to if they lost Game three, which they did, to
then come back with Yanni's and then win Game four.
So I felt like there were some organizational arrogance that
came along with sitting Yannis a little bit longer than
maybe they thought they could get away with doing that
(28:52):
with with Miami. Because any way you look at it,
anyway you break it down, no one saw Jimmy Butler
going for fix last night, even after the great first
quarter he had. No one thought that when this game
was over, we will be talking about the fourth highest
scoring playoff game in the history. So you don't anticipate
those things. Also, this game is about matchups. And with
(29:17):
all due respect to Brook Lopez because he was great
yesterday offensively. This is why I am never in favor
of a quote unquote one trick pony winning defensive Player
of the Year because versatility matters. What they're doing is
playing into the strength of the Miami heat, putting Brooke
Blpez in drop coverage. Now you have guys coming up
in pop shointing right, Duncan Robinson, Jimmy Butler, Tyler Hero
(29:42):
when he was playing, Kyle Lowry, Caleb Martin, all these
guys during drop coverage. Because as good as Brook Lopez
has been offensively, his feat aren't going to get faster, right,
So now you don't have a roster constructed to guard
certain things. That's why I've never been in favor of
a guy that simply protects the rims and this era
(30:03):
of NBA being defensive player of the Year, No, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I mean Boston gives them fits defensively as well. You know,
even though they're a great defensive team, Boston gives them trouble,
and obviously the heat, these perimeter teams can kind of
exploit Brooks to some degree. The Lakers last night, I
thought it was a I call it a masterpiece by Lebron.
(30:27):
It was a strange one because there were long stretches
where he was very inactive outside of rebounds. Defense was good, right,
But I thought Antonio he was tired because now you
know you're only getting one day rest in between these games,
and I thought if Memphis won that game, it could
be the Lakers could be in some trouble just because
(30:49):
now they're playing.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Every other day. Did you think fatigue might have been
a factor. And I mean, this series is likely going
to go to Lakers' way, but do.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
You think that could be something that Memphis tries to
capital can capitalize on in these last three games.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
Here's what was impressive to me about last night's games
is I'm sitting there watching that game, and I think
stan ben Gundi actually commented on it. There was a
time in the third quarter where Lebron, James or Anthony Davis,
they weren't involved offensively at all. And to me, this
is what makes the Lakers dangerous. Anthony Davis has been
up and down like crazy as far as energy is concerned.
(31:27):
His motor yesterday he was not very good at all,
and the totality of the minute that he played. We
can look at the fact that Lebron James had a
twenty twenty seven game, but it's not like Lebron James
was great either, right, and they still won the game
because now you have guys like Austin Reeves, who Lebron
James trust incredibly. You have guys like jan Angelo Russell.
(31:54):
You know, you have guys that are making plays. So
now this isn't a Lebron Dance constructed roster. For whoever
gets the rebound, like, okay, get it back to Lebron. Everybody,
get it back to Lebron. Lebron is getting rebounds and
outletting the ball to Austin Reeves, Lebron getting a rebound,
outletting the ball to D'Angelo Russell. So what you see
with the Lakers now is even if Anthony davis Is
(32:16):
motor is low what seems to be every other game,
they can still offset that with the growth and the
progression from other guys.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Seem to me, yeah, I don't look at them the
same way that you do. I looked at this series
as not just John getting heard they lost the first
game in LA where they shot like six for forty,
which will never happen again, like to start the game.
And even in this game, the last game, and you
talked about what Lebron was able to do. It took
(32:48):
them over time to even win that game. And then
Lebron and them had a golden opportunity in game two
without Job and they got their heads handed to them.
I just look at the series totally different, like they
haven't been that impressive to me, and you just gave
the the I.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
Agree with that. I can agree with that. I'm not
saying they've been incredibly impressive. But the thing for me
at this time of the year, I don't care how
impressive it is. I just care that you win, because
there are teams that have played very well and lost
and that would better be non impressive and winning. They're
very impressive and loose.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Antonio.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
Now even not being impressive Rock if they have a
three to one lead or not being impressive, So then
what think about how this team looks if they are impressive?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Before you go, Antonio, we got about a minute for
your answer. The lots being made of the Suns having
to play Kevin Durant forty four minutes, Yeah, forty three,
Chris Paul thirty nine. How big of a difference is
three minutes in an NBA game, Like the difference between
(33:58):
if Chris Paul was playing thirty five minutes, I don't
know that people would be complaining and if Kevin, I
mean forty anytime over.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Forty people might say something.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
But you know it is three four minutes that big
of a difference where people should be alarmed at these minutes.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
See for me, it's not the minutes I know for
myself and watching these games. But I'm watching Phoenix and
I see a team that I picked to come out
the West and to win it all, and they look
beatable because the thing that they haven't looked, they haven't
looked on the same page to me. And there comes
a point in the NBA games where talent takes over, right,
(34:36):
But if you watch the Phoenix Stunts team play, it's
a delinked the amount of time where Kevin Durant is
standing in the corner or Devin Booker is standing in
the corner, it almost has the Kyrie Irving Field to
me where.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Even Kyrie and Durant last year's.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
Boston exactly where it's like your turn, my turn, your turn,
my turn. It's a matter of time before that talent
this kicks in and then kind of elevates you. So
what's scary is what happened with Phoenix runs into a
team that is cooking chemistry wise, camaraderie, which on both
sides of the basketball. That's what's problematic for me.
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All Right, that's our man, Antonio o'daniels. Great stuff as always, brother, Appreciate.
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You for sure. Appreciated tellers.
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Speaker 2 (36:39):
Against the Warriors.
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You have a splint on his just the tip of
his finger which is fractured on his shooting hand. And
Robbie was shooting around today and I mean, this is
take it or leave it. But one reporter said that
he saw in go one for six from three point
land with the splint.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
He's obviously getting.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
Used to it, right.
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he's still got that speed. He's not a great three
point shooter, even though he's hit some big threes obviously
in this series. He's that's not his game. He's only
a thirty two point shooter. He's more getting to the
hole or in the mid range. And you know he's
(37:23):
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adjust to some degree. But look, bottom line, Rob, if
you're a Warriors fan, they need.
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To go in and get this game.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You gotta get one in Sacramento if you the best
one to get psychologically, Rob is the game where their
star is injured, right, and so you lose that, I
think you're give an advantage to Sacramento.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Mentally, I agree, I think that that is a huge game,
especially if he's not right. If they win that game
quick and he's not right, I mean, what right?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
If he comes out and drops thirty, then hey, it's
just a regular game. He's obviously playing well.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
But if he's scuffling and they still win or beat you,
then I don't I don't know how You're don't think
anything other than yeah, it gonna be hard.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I mean, I wouldn't write him off because you know
they could win the game seven there, but they need
to get this one game five and then close it
out at home in six.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
All right, and I are left Aye, couple locket
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