November 28, 2024 • 40 mins
Rob Parker & Martin Weiss talk about LeBron James closing in on another Michael Jordan achievement!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Live absolutely apps. A freaking Loulie. It is the odd
couple on a Thanksgiving night. A TV theme song Thursday.
That's right, that's my turkey? Can I hit a turkey
in my backyard?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Is that's all like a turkey to your Such a
disgusting sound.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
That's a turkey right down favorite sound every Yeah, I
was trying to imitate the turkey.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Mind is what a real turk sounds like?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Good?
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Good?
Speaker 5 (00:40):
But anyway, that's a one year ago from today, right,
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want to give a shout out when we came in
today with the crew working on the holiday.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I've had some food made Chef Fanatic.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
My man.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Check him out on Instagram. He's he's done some catering
for me in the past.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Martin.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
You know Tony Torres from Downey. He does a great job.
And we brought in. I brought him food, mac and cheese. Patrick,
get on the mike, Mary, get on the mic, right, Chris,
very good turkey, mac and cheese stuffing.
Speaker 7 (01:38):
I gotta say, turkey, juicy, ju juice. We talked about this.
A lot of people have their turkey dry. But if
you know how to brian the turkey and season it well,
it comes out great. And that was fantastic. Turkey, very good.
And Mary mac and cheese, yes, fire.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Man, Yes, the mac and the stuff and ooh boy,
that's great, very good.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
It was. That's right, it was very good.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So we appreciate ship Fanatic who is on ig and
he does a great job.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Like I said, I've hired him in the past.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And make sure we brought some food in for everybody
who's working on a holiday. And there are other people working.
I got Texas from friends people working, Martin. Everybody's not off.
It's okay. I'm cool with working. I had a nice
relaxing day, full of energy to come in watch football,
had some food to eat and talk to you guys
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eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Will get some stuff. Let's move here, Martin.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
As the Giants Cowboys game comes down to the final
couple of minutes, Cowboys on a first and five.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
First down or so, will probably be good enough to
know they're gonna get two first down because New York
still has two times.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
So they have still two left. Okay, so still second down.
It was first and five that I look like they
lost a couple of yards. But anyway, that game is
a seven point game with about two minutes to go.
Let's go to the NBA. So last night the Lakers
had a big one. Remember they had lost three in
a row and they didn't played well on the road,
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but they went to San Antonio and they beat the Spurs.
Were pretty good decent, I would say decent this year.
Last year they were awful decent. Lebron had a big game.
He got the numbers with Lebron Lebron he had over
thirty points and so it was another thirty point game
for him. And that takes us to the inside the
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NBA crew when they talked about the performance by Lebron,
and take a listen from TNT.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
He's second and thirty point games.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
Now with five hundred and fifty nine, MJ's got five
to sixty two see earnings.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
What that's an amazing step to talk about everybody. I
don't get into the beating about greatness. So Lebron has
played how many more seasons than Michael Jordan? They's still
behind him? That's crazy. That's crazy. And I listen, I
love Lebron, but for him to be that far behind
MG and I'm playing probably eight more seasons. Come on, man,
y'all need to stop this.
Speaker 8 (04:16):
There it is, that's from yesterday. Yeah, Lebron didn't have
thirty points. Yesterday they played the Spurs. Wasn't that Yeah,
but Lebron didn't have thirty points?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
What night was that? I was?
Speaker 8 (04:28):
I was just I thought that was yesterday. Lebron hasn't
had thirty points and since in a week. The last
time Lebron had thirty was November twenty first against Orlando.
You know, one nineteen to one eighteen loss?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Was it a correct Orlando? That's correct? All right? I
was doing updates last night.
Speaker 8 (04:47):
Lebron didn't have thirty Anthony Davis had like nineteen and
fourteen seven assists.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, all right, well let's talk about this because this
was the part that that that intrigued me about Charles
even bringing this up. Lebron has five hundred and fifty
nine and Michael has five hundred and sixty two. When
you look at that, do you have to have context
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for that to mean anything to you? And what I
mean by that is, obviously there's a great chance that Lebron,
if he plays this year next year, is going to
have the He already has the most points, He's going
to have the most thirty point games, all these different things.
But obviously, Michael Jordan only played thirteen years is it?
And Lebron is what season number twenty one, so he's
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piling up numbers.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
But when I look at this, it tells you.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Every time I hear these kind of stats, it tells
me what kind of a career Michael Jordan really have.
And I know a lot of people try to minimize
Lebron James's I mean Michael Jordan's career, No, Michael, Michael
Jordan's career, but they try to minimize it, where only
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because he's six and oh in the NBA finals like that,
They think that that's his career, But his career is
way bigger than that. And I'm talking about the ten
straight scoring titles, you know what I mean, all the
other things that went in Defensive.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Player of the Year.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
There's so much his resume is filled with, but people
always try to make it as the only reason people
think he's the goat is based on the six and
oh and the six finals. MVP, where are you when
it comes to the Lebron Michael Jordan? Just debate and
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how do you look at stats or as longevity good
enough for you? I'm in contacting.
Speaker 8 (06:44):
Obviously matters of course, it matters how long, Like that's
what sports is about. It's how long what level can
you reach, and how long can you maintain that level.
I think Lebron has shown that, even though he's taking
steps back, that he has maintained a higher level of
you know, NBA whoever you want to call it, you know,
excellence whatever, longer than almost anybody else has in the end,
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like Jordan had a shorter career with longer with bigger peaks,
But when you look at the longevity of it, you
can't knock it to me, So twenty one years of
being like people talked about, Victor Webbin Yama is the
best prospect since Lebron James. If that's the case, Victor's
already behind schedule. Now that's a guy we're talking about
who's literally has lived less years on this earth than
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Lebron James' NBA career has eclipsed like that, But that's
who they said it's supposed to be. Next up is Victor, right,
Victor WebM He's already behind schedule when you look at
the numbers, so like to me, yeah, it shows that
Jordan was a prolific scorer, and it shows that Lebron
also a prolific score that played a lot longer.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, but there's more than just that. I get that
part of it. But also when you think about what
Michael was able to do in such a short amount
of time, as what is impressive to me not the longevity,
because a lot of people say that that's part of
the Ron's thing is you know, patting stats that the
longer you play. But here's here's my argument against longevity.
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If Lebron said, just say, doesn't win another championship, correct,
you're gonna give me that, give me that he doesn't
win another championship.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Set up your own hypothetical world.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Okay, some people don't want to do the hypothetical when
it's not in their favor. I'm talking about when it's
not Lebron's favor.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Would you look at him differently?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
He plays twenty four NBA seasons with four championships, So
you see what I'm saying. The longer you play four
championships isn't nearly as impressive.
Speaker 8 (08:33):
No, it's usually impressive because he individually is still playing
at a high level. When you look at him at
this age, he's still a top at the worst. You
want to say, a top fifteen player in the NBA
right now today, on November twenty eighth, twenty twenty four,
he's the top what fifteen?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Does he have the same impact to winning? Because that's
what I would That's what I will.
Speaker 8 (08:57):
No, no, no, no, ask you that he's the top
fifteen player in the top twenty. All right, let's call
him seven, let's call them one, let's call it, let's
call it this is top twenty. I'm fine with that
he's the seventeenth best players. Put them in on between us. Okay,
all right, seventeenth best player in the NBA. He's supposed
to be you Donna's hasslm right now, he's supposed to
be LaMarcus Aldrids.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
But like LaMarcus Aldris in his last year, No, he's
supposed to be sitting on the end of No. No, no,
those if he's playing at this age.
Speaker 8 (09:22):
No, no, no, that's.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
The difference. No, it's not. It is those guys were
never that good. So that's why. So that's why.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
But that's why the longevity argument only matters for guys
who are never like once you hit a peak and
maintain said peak, or you hit a peak and you're
able to replicate a replicable fact simile of that peak
year after year after year after year after year.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I can't knock that.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
No, but nobody's knocking it. But what I'm trying to
say to you is, here's why it doesn't add up.
Because for him to play with the numbers that he's
putting up and to have Anthony Davis on his team,
and the only way the Lakers make the playoffs is
through to play it or they have to get like
they're not even a top eight team.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
And they got to go through.
Speaker 8 (10:04):
Lebron was still top five, Like he don't need to
be top five with Anthony David.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Lebron was don't need to be top five with.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
Anthony Day Lebron, all of that stuff didn't matter because
he was good enough to overcome it. It's the same
thing we were talking about in the first hour with
the Bears. Caleb Williams is not good enough to overcome
all of the dysfunction that is going on around him.
Joe Burrow at times is just that he has been
good enough to overcome historic just mismanagement.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
The Lakers are a mismanaged franchise.
Speaker 8 (10:36):
If Lebron played, for example, the Spurs, Lebron the part
of the mismanagement. No, yes, he is a lot of
the moves that they've made, or Brian is well, then
that's their fault. That's not like that's their fault because
you know what, the Miami he could have did the
same thing when Lebron went up there and talked to
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pat Riley and said you need to come coach this team.
Pat Rowley, you know what he did. He said no,
because he's the guy in charge. If you want to
count out to Lebron, that's your fault. But that's your fault.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
But they but you can't act like Lebron that you
say they mismanaged Lebron and and uh and and and
his agency.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
With Rich Paul.
Speaker 8 (11:15):
They have a lot of say they made them draft
Bronny on a roster spot. I argue, I'm no, it's not.
It's not Lebron. It's the people that are supposed to
be running the organization. If if for like in any
walk of life, it's the people that's supposed to be
you know, enforcing or whatever, doing their jobs. If somebody,
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for example, just let you come in whenever you were
doing wanted to do your show, say I'll be there
at seven fifteen today.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
You know why, because this is when I want to
come in.
Speaker 8 (11:45):
Is that your fault or is that their management's fault
for not doing something about it?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Management?
Speaker 8 (11:50):
Yeah, But if you go and once you sign up
with Lebron, My point is that Lebron is the one
who has asked them or had them trade the younger
players and the lake those are the ones that didn't
very much still life, which is why they're poorly rich.
Don't you don't you rememberless too don't you remember when
even when they want when he wanted Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I mean, that was the whole thing they showed him.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That Genie Buss wasn't it as barbecue. It was Russell Westbrook,
Anthony Davis and Lebron. They had a power wow. And
that's and then all of a sudden, that's when it
all happened. Is and I get it because that they
Lakers should not run their organization like a mom in
pop store.
Speaker 8 (12:29):
But guess what they are. They're a mom in pop store,
Like I said, poorly managed. But le has a part
of it. He's he's a GM, the facto GM.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well he shouldn't.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
That's again, you are making everything and are not Lebron
being the defect of being the facto M why they
are being d But you could be a de facto
and be good at it. He's bad at it, okay,
but so is my good Jordan was an actual GM
and he went bad at it. But here so that
just goes to show you why if Lebron was in
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a franchise that was more properly managed, the winning would
be different.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
No, he wouldn't be there because he wouldn't go to
a team. He wouldn't be there. He he he was
in Miami. He won champions Miami. No, but they didn't
didn't but they didn't win. They won two, but they
were supposed to win seventh.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
Okay, but they say you can't fundamentally say they did
not win when your next enterence is say one, they.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Didn't Win's not how they were what they expected them
to win.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
You know that that was when they came together.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
For them to lose to that Dallas Mavericks team and
for them to only win two out of four when
they had a stacked team, so they won the.
Speaker 8 (13:37):
Cent of available championships. They didn't win anything. They didn't
do anything special. Shorts has a sports Shorts has a
short man. Shorts has a sports man. Leave it alone. Well,
I'm wondering if you do. I got winning matters here,
but it doesn't matter there. Hey, but they only won two,
but they should have won seven. Hey, but did they
went to even still?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Mac?
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I'm not sure?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Hey, seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
nine nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
What's the question? Look at Ron in fact win two
championships in Miami, not at all?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Looking at stats mean is it just the compiling of
numbers or does it have to have a context. And
all I'm saying is, yes, Lebron is going to pass
Michael Jordan in thirty point games.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
He only's behind by three.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
We already know that he's the leading point scorer in
NBA history. He's been, he went to the NBA Finals set.
We got all that, But does it need context for
it to matter? And when I look at the context
and what Michael has done is such a shorter amount
of time, that gives me even more reason to believe that,
without question, Michael Jordan is the greatest NBA player we've seen.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Where Are You? Eight seven seven ninety nine?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
On Fox, it is the odd couple on the TV
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for Kelvin Washington.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Right here on Fox Sports Radio, stick and step.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
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Speaker 2 (15:17):
It is the odd couple on a TV theme song Thursday,
that's right on your Thanksgiving night, hopefully your belly full. Yes,
some sweet potato pie, pumpkin pie for the dessert. Have
people eating in Los Angeles is five twenty four? You
think people have eaten?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Right, they're eating early on time.
Speaker 8 (15:35):
I think if you're probably probably ate at four o'clock,
which is south of the ten, you probably eaten already.
If I mean, if you're north of the ten, you
probably ate south Really Okay, what time would what time
do you normally eat? Probably still waiting four o'clock? That
was East Coast Tom, though we would eat at four o'clock.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
That's kind of early.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Well.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Rob is the originator of the Early Bird special. That's right.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It is the hot couple. Rob Parker Martin wife's filling
in for Kelvin Washington. We're coming to your life from
the Tireck dot Com eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox.
Just talking about the Lebron Michael Jordan debate that continues,
and it was just interesting to me when Charles Barkley
talked about the difference. Michael Jordan has five hundred and
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sixty two career thirty point plus games, and Lebron is
up to five hundred and fifty nine now after his
last thirty point performance, and Charles was like, you know,
it's incredible. Tells you about Michael when you think that
he played eight less seasons than Lebron or whatever it is?
Seven eight seasons?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Where are you?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
How important is context? And when you look at a
stat like that, does it really tell you more about
Lebron and his longevity or tells you about Michael and
how good he was at a short period of time?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox, we had.
Speaker 8 (16:52):
Billy from Florida last hour. Let's now go to Bobby
from Florida. To Bobby any relation to Billy?
Speaker 9 (17:00):
Hey, Rob, be talking to you again?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yes, how are you?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
You know?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
That's what they used to call me when I was
growing up. That's my name. My family named. Bobby is a.
Speaker 9 (17:10):
Great name, Yes, sir, But Rob always supposed to talk
to you. And I agree you and I go back
whereas and fighting about Brady and stuff, But I agree
totally with you with this. Jay is the best that
ever was. And yeah, okay he stayed well, Bron. When
how you say eight eight seasons? I think how many games?
Speaker 7 (17:33):
That is?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Right? It's incredible, right it is?
Speaker 9 (17:38):
And you know, he still only has four championships, and
one of them I think is a scam when they
had that you know, COVID thing, the.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
Bubble Championship in Orlando, right, Uh well, yeah, there it is. Hey, Bobby,
you appreciate your support, my man on the shelf, thanks
for calling in.
Speaker 9 (17:55):
Hey, I love you.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Have a happy thank you, my man.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. Eight seven.
Speaker 8 (18:00):
I have been ninety nine on Fox. Let's go to
Mike in Ohio. You're on the couple on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Mike Cappy, Thanksgiving, buddy.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Have a Thanksgiving good. Yes, I definitely agree with you.
On listen Rob, Mike, Michael was by far the best,
you know, the time. If he hadn't played baseball, there's
no doubt in my mind they would have won eight
in a row. They won three before three after talk
about the team not being ran very well. Even the
Bullswort ran very well. Whenever Jerry Kroft broke up the
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Bulls for the simple fact that he wanted to act
like he was the reason they were great instead of
Michael Jordan's. I mean, you should have kept that team together.
They still be playing.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Remember that it was crazy to Michael Jordan. I don't know,
Martin if you know this. I mean I remember COVID.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
I watched the Last Night, right, But I'm saying Michael
was like, yeah, I'll come back and you bring uh
if you bring Phil Jackson back. First thing Jerry Kroft
said was Phil's not coming like it was like unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Wanted to bring that guy from Iowa State, right.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Well, look just like I mean, Floyd was the guy.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
I'm actually knowing him in a very strange you know
some Thanks.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
For the call, I appreciate it, But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
If the teams were better ran some of the players
might have had better champions they it would have been
a better situation. Like if Jerry Krow should have listened
to Michael Jordan, Genie Bus probably shouldn't listen to Lebron.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
And the Bulls, people don't remember, were a bad organization
before mj got there, had never won anything.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
They were really bad.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
And that's what was even more impressive about what he
was able to do without joining up with other stars
or whatever. And they just made trades and had people
eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox DRE in Massachusetts,
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Speaker 3 (19:38):
Happy Thanksgiving on Trey.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Happy Thanksgiving, Bud, Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Thank you for being on.
Speaker 10 (19:45):
Glad to be with you again.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Come on, Dre, you know what you can count on
every holiday? Right? What can you count?
Speaker 9 (19:51):
Indeed?
Speaker 10 (19:52):
I look forward to it, you know what I mean?
Because everybody's different, you know, But it's great that we
still have the great radio shows, the sports going on
over the holiday. So thank you guys for doing what
you're doing.
Speaker 8 (20:03):
You know.
Speaker 10 (20:04):
In terms of this age old debate with Lebron and
Michael Jordan, I have to give my flowers to Lebron
in terms of the longevity and what he's doing kind
of hanging on for his sons and continuing to be
out there and kind of carry the load. But the
Truck's point, it's quality over quantity. Lebron has four MVPs
in his twenty years. MJ has five, okay, all NBA
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First team MJ ten, Lebron thirteen. Okay, So I give that,
you know again with the more time he's played. Bottom
line is this for me though, the way Lebron went
about it with this whole super team era that kind
of deluded his ability to win these signature awards because
it was all about kind of the team and being
the GM, So I think that takes away from him,
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but where I do have to give him credit. In conclusion,
Lebron wouldn't allow what happened to Michael Jordan happened to him.
He wasn't going to allow Jerry Krause to dictate. So
Lebron changed the paradigm with the whole player empowerment. I'm
going to take to the team how things are gonna go.
But it watered down his individual stats. But I think
MJ's ahead of him, but he does have those legacy
achievements than taking the call.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Appreciate it. Thank you so much, Drey.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It is the couple on a TV theme song Thursday,
Rob Parker and marm Weiss and coming up next, we're
gonna talk about the Chiefs and the Raiders and oh no,
we're not going there yet. We got some more other football.
We're gonna save that, I think right for our number three,
but we got more NFL football. We'll talk to Giants
and Cowboys. Game is over and USC Chris will update
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you on what went on there and what else is
happening in Sports on this Thanksgiving night?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
What's up, Chris? That's right, Rob.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
The final seconds were nailed out not long ago, twenty
seven to twenty so they covered for me, right, they
did cover for you. I believe it was what points
three and three and a half and a half three
and a half, So there we go, so that there
row for me on Chet's right, that's right. The Giants
really threatening late here with a Drew Lock rushing touchdown,
but no such luck. The Cowboys got a couple of
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first downs and that game is over. The hero of
that game Rico Doddele one hundred and nine rushing yards,
one rushing TD. I I know, I know. This Cowboys
backfield is getting really really interesting. So Cowboys improved to
four and seven. Meanwhile, we're just getting started in Miami
and green Bay. A muffed punt actually has Green Bay
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in the red zone. I was going on, how they
get down there that fast? The easiest way to move
the ball is make someone else move it for you.
So still waiting to score there, but it looks like
Green Bay is knocking on it like.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
It's November in green Bay. Oh it is.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
I believe last night looked it was around like twenty degrees.
You could see the breaths on the Yeah, it's that
time of year. Meanwhile, in Detroit on Thanksgiving earlier today,
the Lions Bears were in action and one of the
biggest stories coming out is how the hell did the
Bears lose this game. Near the end of the game,
you have Caleb Williams marching down the field, a very
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ernest defensive pass interference puts them in good position, threatening
for a field goal to tie or touchdown to go ahead,
and instead time runs starts to run off the clock
and things get really weird, really quick. Williams with seven,
Williams with six takes the snap. This could be the
final play of the game, throws it deep down field.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It is a game and in complete.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
That's it. That's it.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
What in the world with the Bears game?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's over?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Man?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
You talk about the world of Proctice Vanda games over?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Oh, that's it.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
Ninety seven won the ticket on the call there and yeah,
Matt Eberfluse not using his final time out, game is over.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I guess you took that home with him back.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
I was gonna say, as your old friend Mike Flenty
would say, they're not like cell phone minutes. They don't
carry over.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
When who's the other person on the lines? Broadcast? Dan Miller, Lomas.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
Thomas Brown and then I think T. J. Lang Is
added him this year.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
He's kind of like a third chair, like a bookermobile
type of guy.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
He's like the sideline guy.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Yeah, he taps in every now and then to keep
it honest for the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
We do have a score finally in.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Green Bay Jaden Jayden Reed's touchdown off of that Miami
muffed punt, So the Packers score quickly and they are
on the board finally, real quick. Some college basketball scores
from earlier. Oklahoma took down number twenty four Arizona in
the Battle for Atlantis eighty two seventy seven Louisville with
a seventy nine seventy overtime win in Maui. That comes
(24:49):
a day after they beat number fourteen Indiana, who kept
taking on water and they lost to Gonzaga eighty nine
seventy three. Rob Martin back to you.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Hi, thank you USC Chris with the updates here on
the odd Couple. Rob Parker Martin Weiss filling in for
Kelvin Washington Martin, and I will be back here tomorrow
as well. Yes, I'm working on Black Friday. Patrick, you
know tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Every Friday is Black Friday exact, at least for me.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I'm just saying, Patrick, okay, okay, I just want to
make sure.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
You know black as it gets man, exactly all right.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
We're coming to your love from the tire rack dot
Com Studios and the Packers are up seven to nothing.
Would you have in this game? Packers against the Dolphins?
And we know the weather stat if the temperature is
below forty something degrees forty five, forty five.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
The number, Yes, they don't. The Dolphins can't win. Is
that what it is? Can't win? Haven't been able to win? Yeah,
in that weather.
Speaker 8 (25:52):
But the idea that this this is funny to me
because TUIs said, I don't think we have I don't
think we probably don't have it ready, but I Ta
said talking about this game, he's ready happy to dispel
narratives about his inability to win in the cold. And
It's like, I don't know, rober if you're late for
work every day for three weeks and then you come
in on time that Monday, is that a narrative that
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you're always late for work, Like that's just what's happens.
Like it's just the truth of what it is. And
it doesn't even mean it Allas plays bad. But I
just think this Dolphins team is a bad football team.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, but I understand what he's saying, and I'm saying
from this standpoint, that was the knock on Jason Tatum
that he couldn't win a championship, that they won a
lot of games, he don't have one to take. I
don't know how many NBA people I heard said that
they don't believe in the Celtics despite the wins, despite
when they were running the table in the playoffs. They're
(26:48):
beating everybody, right, and they were like won twelve out
of fifteen games, and people still would questioning whether or
not they could win a championship.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
And a lot of people picked two the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Didn't they because they didn't believe in that Jason Tatum
could win a championship. And I get what Tua is saying.
I understand what you mean, and maybe it's not the
right term, because a narrative means you've made up something, right, right, right,
You've made up something. This is fact that he hasn't
won when the temperatures blow forty five degree, but that
doesn't mean he could never win a game in that temperature.
(27:20):
And I think that's what he's saying is if I
can win this one game or win this game in
the bad weather, maybe people will stop talking about it.
I think it was more about that. And we do
have two in the sound on this.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Let's listen.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
Yeah, I mean, I'm excited to kill narratives, so let's
go bring it on.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
It's like I appreciate the kids, candor right.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
I'm not saying should go out there and lay down
because it's cold, but like if, for example, Miami draws
Buffalo in the first round in the wildcard, or Miami
draws Kansas City in the wildcard, you know what, I'll
be picking Kansas City or Buffalo in part because it
will be cold and the Dolphins won't play well in
the cole Yeah, but there's also at some point they
(28:05):
could break that and there'll be a moment or a
situation and then you can't use that anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I understand why people use it because they haven't been
able to win yet. Okay, And the same thing. Until
you win, there's a narrative or there's a conversation about
the Buffalo Bills and that they should rename Buffalo New
York to wide right New York because they can't. They
always seem to miss a field goal in a big
game or a big situation, and that's plagued that franchise
(28:32):
for a long time, and they've come up short. As
much success as the Buffalo Bills have had. What do
people think about the four straight Super Bowl losses? And
then these losses like they had against the Chiefs where
Josh Allen drives down, scores a touchdown right and there's
only thirteen seconds left, and somehow they kick the ball
instead of squibbing it for the time to run out,
(28:53):
they kick it to Kansas City and they wind up
losing the game.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
But all of those are very specific instances of the
level of either game mismanagement or just kind of like
human element, right, God misses the field goal because he
chokes or something along that nature. This is just what
happens in football. It's similar to me to like, I
would not have been nearly as high on the Lions
as I was at the start of.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
This year if they played seven. If they played seven or.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
Eight games outdoors because Jared Golf struggles outdoors. The thing
that I was because they're gonna be I figured they
would be a top seed, if not one or two
seed in the NFC when you look around it, and
so they would have indoors all the way through. But
like if I wouldn't like Detroit, chances to go out
here in Green Bay in January or I'm sorry in
December because of what Jared Golf has done in the
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past in the cold and in the outside, Like to me,
this all matters. And if you have a quarterback when
it turns fifty degrees, shows an inability to maneuver with
all the.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Losses are because he played poorly or I'm all right,
I'm gonna be free phrasing.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
When you have an operation that seems that it cannot okay,
that's what under fifty degrees, whether it's the quarterback, whether
it's Mike McDaniel, whether it's the scheme that you're running
like the past, the past heavy scheme doesn't work as
when it gets cold and receivers fingered and that ball
feels like bricks as it's coming in and receivers are trying.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
To make the catch.
Speaker 8 (30:15):
Maybe that's the problem, but whatever it is, if you
can't win cold weather.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Games, you can't win in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
But here's the problem is that we over we overdo
it when it comes to the quarterback. They get way
too much praise for when teams win, and they get
too much, way too much blame. And I'm not saying
that too. I'd have to look at his stats. If
you could show me that his stats are always bad
in the cold, then maybe I could buy into it.
(30:42):
But there are those games that I'm sure that they
lost because their defense didn't show up or their coach
didn't do a good job. And there are games that
to would play poorly as well, and they all go
on to its record right and people go, oh, say,
if it's forty five or less too, it can't win
a game. Somewhere those games, there are those games where
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he's to blame, but not all of them. And I
think that's where has the right to push back somewhat.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Is that fair?
Speaker 8 (31:12):
I mean, he's zero and seven with a fifty five
percent completion percentage, eight touchdowns, ten interceptions.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Now he's got to own this like that's the static.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
But I'm asking, can you give me the defensive stats
as well during that stretch or no, you don't have those,
do you.
Speaker 8 (31:26):
I'm looking at a negative. No, I'm not down the
interception ratio. I don't quite care, honestly, if you if
you play, I'm asking about the defense. If you havenue
that if he had the same numbers as Joe Burrow
does with the defense, ideas this year, like let's say
this year, like the way that Burrow was playing, throwing
five touchdown games, defense is giving up six, we wouldn't
be having this conversation in the same way. Yeah, but
(31:49):
because we saw him struggle in cold weather, I get it.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
But without the defensive numbers as well, if you could
show me, I'm just saying, so you're telling me that
you could still win games more with bad stats as
a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Said two years ago?
Speaker 8 (32:04):
Can you I'm asking seconds ago, can you win a
game as a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
And the Giants?
Speaker 8 (32:09):
The Giants want to play game with Daniel Jones, So
let's make him the highest paid quarterback in football.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Because that's what that's what toy is arguably right, And
that's not based off of that. That's just we're talking.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
That's about the league though, that's the toy getting paid.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
That is just what they do.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
They pay the quarterback position and the guy next up
the most franchises gets the most.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Why quarterbacks get more of the blame and more of
the prey.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
But a lot of that is what it's been going
on forever about that because we always talk about how
many Nobody says how many? How many Super Bowls? Did
did the left tackle win? Nobody talks about it's about
the quarterback.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
Quarterbacks have been getting too much Praiss Super Bowl One
when Max McGee.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Had three catches and two touchdowns and Bart Starr won
the MVP.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
But the fact that the matter remains that once you
pay your quarterback like he's a franchise quarterback, I expect
him to be a franchise quarterback. Maybe that's bad. So
if he wins today was what does that mean to you?
That'll mean he's one in seven and whether in cold
weather again, that's it means. That's what spelling a narrative.
This is not what he will have won. What would
be So now he won in the cold weather, twenty
(33:14):
degrees in Green Bay, what does that mean nothing to me?
That's the whole point he's saying that this matters. It
doesn't matter to me. He's saying it changes in aerative.
I'm already do this spelling area. It doesn't know what.
What it will stop is that you say that he
can't win in the cold. I will say now, I
will say he's one in seven in there.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
But you can't say that he can't win in the cold.
And I think that's what people believe. All right, They're
gonna lose this game anyway, so it won't matter. Okay,
you're crusting now at something. So I think, No, I don't,
but there you go. But I'm going eight and cold.
Speaker 8 (33:43):
But today, based off of the cold weather, I just
expect green So it's not based on the cold weather. Okay,
So what other factor that you a ways better? I
think Green Bay's better. So a game, no, I'm talking
about today, Well, I'm talking about all I'm talking about today.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
This is another thing. Baby comes the book of It. No,
I don't agree with that. I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I think every game is individual. I don't think that
you can look at every game here and put it together.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
There's a through line here and it's right under forty
five degrees.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Okay, and so if he wins, though, you can't use
that that he never can win in the cold weather.
That's the only thing that I think he's talking about
is that you won't be able to use that against him.
Speaker 8 (34:24):
Well matter because they're gonna lose. So all right, it
is the odd couple.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I wonder what he'll say in the post game. Oh,
the narrative is still true, guys, It is the odd couple.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Rob Parker Martin Weiss in for Kelvin Washington on his
TV theme song Thanksgiving Night. Here on Fox Sports Radio.
Coming up next, Anthony Edwards calls out his team. Will
tell you what he said and whether or not mar
and you like it. You like guys being tough and
hard love on their team. We'll talk about that and
much more right here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Stick and stay unless you can't play in the cold.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
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Speaker 2 (35:12):
The Skipper Braven Shore five passenger set sail that day
on a three hour tour.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Three hour tour.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
The weather started getting okay, the tiny ship was talking
how much.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
If not for the courage of the field his crew,
the middle would be lost, lost, would be lost.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Lost, the ship sunk ground on the shore of this
uncharted desert, all with Gilligan the skipper, two.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Millionaire and his wife. It's old lady moovey star and Mary. Yeah,
here's the story.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
Really, if it's a three hour tour, why is a
millionaire and his wife on And why did they bring
clothes on a three hour tour?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Why didn't they have their own boat? Why are you
questioning the rich? It doesn't make sense. Why are you
questioning the rich?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
It is the eyd couple on a TV theme song Thursday,
Rob Parker, Martin Weiss.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Back at that time of the supposed to only they
had to carry their iPads coming to you live from
the rich. But but you don't bring clothes and you
never watched the show.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
There had trunks full of different clothes for a three
hour tour.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
They weren't going on a on a cruise tour. Most
people are kind of irrational. They just do whatever. Just
if you had the money to bring your wardrobe with you,
you probably would on a three hour tour. No, on
a three hour tour on a three hour tour? How
long three hour tour? Alright? One not to that's three hour?
All right?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
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Speaker 3 (37:02):
Should we hear? Can we hear?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
From Anthony Edwards ripping his team? Oh we don't have
the sound, Martin?
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Do you have? Who has it up?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
He basically called his team Martin soft called out the fans.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
You know, people were dying last year.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
They wanted to make Anthony Edwards the face of the NFL,
and he put a tremendous postseason huh the NBA, Uh,
the NBA. But it was very premature and people went
a little crazy. They had them winning the championship. All right,
can you pull up the quotes please?
Speaker 5 (37:35):
So the quotes were guys that like he said, I'm
gonna take this one. And then he's like, I don't
like front runners myself. I'm not a front runner. He
goes and he was just he was just so mad,
and he's like, we was down, nobody want to say anything.
We got up and everybody was cheering, and then he
just went on a really, really bad tiring and he
was criticizing the fans. He goes the fans booing us
(37:55):
that it's crazy, man, we're getting booed in our own
home arena. And he just he was so not having
And then the exact quote was we soft as heck
as a team internally, not to the other team, but
internally we soft. We can't talk to each other, just
a bunch of little kids, just like we're playing with
a bunch of little kids. Everybody, the whole team, we
(38:16):
just can't talk to each other. And we've got to
figure it out because we can't go down this road.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Well, you, Martin, you like this he's calling this team out. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
I like it. Okay, yeah, I like it. I don't
like what they're doing offensively. You have one of the
best slashers in the NBA shooting upward to ten threes
a game.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
That's a mistake.
Speaker 8 (38:34):
That's a problem, like fundamentally, and I think ultimately what's
happened is Carl Anthony Towns is no longer there. And
while Karnthony Town's a good player, I'm not trying to
knock that. I thought the trade was a good move,
but the whipping boy is gone now. There was always
somebody to blame in Minnesota for why things were going
to be the way they were, and a lot of
times that was Karl Anthony Towns because they.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Had the way in New York.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
Right now, well, we'll see how that turns out when
the game starts to matter a little bit more. But
I like saying you saw do you see the clip
where Julius Randalls dribbling, Drudy Gobert is just standing in
the paint and gets a three second call Anthony Edwards
lights him up. Like, to me, this is the type
of leadership that if you're gonna be a guy who
is a face of franchise type of player, these are
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the type of things that you have to be able
to do, especially as you are playing, like as hard.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
As you play.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, only thing is there's a time and place for everything.
I don't think you need to go to the media
with it. As a guy in the media, I love
it that we can talk about it and it's out there,
but that you don't need to run to the media
every time something goes wrong, and ripping the fans is
a lose, is a lose lose, there's no reason to
do that. Fans have a right to boo just like
(39:44):
they have a right to cheer. They pay their money.
So whenever you get into that, oh they boot us
at home.
Speaker 8 (39:50):
I think I remember Aaron Judge getting we're playing so bad,
we're getting booed at home. That's what's crazy to But
Aaron Judge got booed like crazy.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
In April and Yankee Stadium and won the MVP. All right,
it is the
Speaker 2 (40:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Live absolutely apps. A freaking Loulie. It is the odd
couple on a Thanksgiving night. A TV theme song Thursday.
That's right, that's my turkey? Can I hit a turkey
in my backyard?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Is that's all like a turkey to your Such a
disgusting sound.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
That's a turkey right down favorite sound every Yeah, I
was trying to imitate the turkey.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Mind is what a real turk sounds like?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Good?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Good?
Speaker 5 (00:40):
But anyway, that's a one year ago from today, right,
That's right.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
We were here when we recorded that.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
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want to give a shout out when we came in
today with the crew working on the holiday.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I've had some food made Chef Fanatic.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
My man.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Check him out on Instagram. He's he's done some catering
for me in the past.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Martin.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
You know Tony Torres from Downey. He does a great job.
And we brought in. I brought him food, mac and cheese. Patrick,
get on the mike, Mary, get on the mic, right, Chris,
very good turkey, mac and cheese stuffing.
Speaker 7 (01:38):
I gotta say, turkey, juicy, ju juice. We talked about this.
A lot of people have their turkey dry. But if
you know how to brian the turkey and season it well,
it comes out great. And that was fantastic. Turkey, very good.
And Mary mac and cheese, yes, fire.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Man, Yes, the mac and the stuff and ooh boy,
that's great, very good.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
It was. That's right, it was very good.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So we appreciate ship Fanatic who is on ig and
he does a great job.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Like I said, I've hired him in the past.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And make sure we brought some food in for everybody
who's working on a holiday. And there are other people working.
I got Texas from friends people working, Martin. Everybody's not off.
It's okay. I'm cool with working. I had a nice
relaxing day, full of energy to come in watch football,
had some food to eat and talk to you guys
(02:33):
eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Will get some stuff. Let's move here, Martin.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
As the Giants Cowboys game comes down to the final
couple of minutes, Cowboys on a first and five.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
First down or so, will probably be good enough to
know they're gonna get two first down because New York
still has two times.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
So they have still two left. Okay, so still second down.
It was first and five that I look like they
lost a couple of yards. But anyway, that game is
a seven point game with about two minutes to go.
Let's go to the NBA. So last night the Lakers
had a big one. Remember they had lost three in
a row and they didn't played well on the road,
(03:13):
but they went to San Antonio and they beat the Spurs.
Were pretty good decent, I would say decent this year.
Last year they were awful decent. Lebron had a big game.
He got the numbers with Lebron Lebron he had over
thirty points and so it was another thirty point game
for him. And that takes us to the inside the
(03:37):
NBA crew when they talked about the performance by Lebron,
and take a listen from TNT.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
He's second and thirty point games.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
Now with five hundred and fifty nine, MJ's got five
to sixty two see earnings.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
What that's an amazing step to talk about everybody. I
don't get into the beating about greatness. So Lebron has
played how many more seasons than Michael Jordan? They's still
behind him? That's crazy. That's crazy. And I listen, I
love Lebron, but for him to be that far behind
MG and I'm playing probably eight more seasons. Come on, man,
y'all need to stop this.
Speaker 8 (04:16):
There it is, that's from yesterday. Yeah, Lebron didn't have
thirty points. Yesterday they played the Spurs. Wasn't that Yeah,
but Lebron didn't have thirty points?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
What night was that? I was?
Speaker 8 (04:28):
I was just I thought that was yesterday. Lebron hasn't
had thirty points and since in a week. The last
time Lebron had thirty was November twenty first against Orlando.
You know, one nineteen to one eighteen loss?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Was it a correct Orlando? That's correct? All right? I
was doing updates last night.
Speaker 8 (04:47):
Lebron didn't have thirty Anthony Davis had like nineteen and
fourteen seven assists.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, all right, well let's talk about this because this
was the part that that that intrigued me about Charles
even bringing this up. Lebron has five hundred and fifty
nine and Michael has five hundred and sixty two. When
you look at that, do you have to have context
(05:12):
for that to mean anything to you? And what I
mean by that is, obviously there's a great chance that Lebron,
if he plays this year next year, is going to
have the He already has the most points, He's going
to have the most thirty point games, all these different things.
But obviously, Michael Jordan only played thirteen years is it?
And Lebron is what season number twenty one, so he's
(05:34):
piling up numbers.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
But when I look at this, it tells you.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Every time I hear these kind of stats, it tells
me what kind of a career Michael Jordan really have.
And I know a lot of people try to minimize
Lebron James's I mean Michael Jordan's career, No, Michael, Michael
Jordan's career, but they try to minimize it, where only
(06:01):
because he's six and oh in the NBA finals like that,
They think that that's his career, But his career is
way bigger than that. And I'm talking about the ten
straight scoring titles, you know what I mean, all the
other things that went in Defensive.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Player of the Year.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
There's so much his resume is filled with, but people
always try to make it as the only reason people
think he's the goat is based on the six and
oh and the six finals. MVP, where are you when
it comes to the Lebron Michael Jordan? Just debate and
(06:39):
how do you look at stats or as longevity good
enough for you? I'm in contacting.
Speaker 8 (06:44):
Obviously matters of course, it matters how long, Like that's
what sports is about. It's how long what level can
you reach, and how long can you maintain that level.
I think Lebron has shown that, even though he's taking
steps back, that he has maintained a higher level of
you know, NBA whoever you want to call it, you know,
excellence whatever, longer than almost anybody else has in the end,
(07:07):
like Jordan had a shorter career with longer with bigger peaks,
But when you look at the longevity of it, you
can't knock it to me, So twenty one years of
being like people talked about, Victor Webbin Yama is the
best prospect since Lebron James. If that's the case, Victor's
already behind schedule. Now that's a guy we're talking about
who's literally has lived less years on this earth than
(07:27):
Lebron James' NBA career has eclipsed like that, But that's
who they said it's supposed to be. Next up is Victor, right,
Victor WebM He's already behind schedule when you look at
the numbers, so like to me, yeah, it shows that
Jordan was a prolific scorer, and it shows that Lebron
also a prolific score that played a lot longer.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, but there's more than just that. I get that
part of it. But also when you think about what
Michael was able to do in such a short amount
of time, as what is impressive to me not the longevity,
because a lot of people say that that's part of
the Ron's thing is you know, patting stats that the
longer you play. But here's here's my argument against longevity.
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If Lebron said, just say, doesn't win another championship, correct,
you're gonna give me that, give me that he doesn't
win another championship.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Set up your own hypothetical world.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Okay, some people don't want to do the hypothetical when
it's not in their favor. I'm talking about when it's
not Lebron's favor.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Would you look at him differently?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
He plays twenty four NBA seasons with four championships, So
you see what I'm saying. The longer you play four
championships isn't nearly as impressive.
Speaker 8 (08:33):
No, it's usually impressive because he individually is still playing
at a high level. When you look at him at
this age, he's still a top at the worst. You
want to say, a top fifteen player in the NBA
right now today, on November twenty eighth, twenty twenty four,
he's the top what fifteen?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Does he have the same impact to winning? Because that's
what I would That's what I will.
Speaker 8 (08:57):
No, no, no, no, ask you that he's the top
fifteen player in the top twenty. All right, let's call
him seven, let's call them one, let's call it, let's
call it this is top twenty. I'm fine with that
he's the seventeenth best players. Put them in on between us. Okay,
all right, seventeenth best player in the NBA. He's supposed
to be you Donna's hasslm right now, he's supposed to
be LaMarcus Aldrids.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
But like LaMarcus Aldris in his last year, No, he's
supposed to be sitting on the end of No. No, no,
those if he's playing at this age.
Speaker 8 (09:22):
No, no, no, that's.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
The difference. No, it's not. It is those guys were
never that good. So that's why. So that's why.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
But that's why the longevity argument only matters for guys
who are never like once you hit a peak and
maintain said peak, or you hit a peak and you're
able to replicate a replicable fact simile of that peak
year after year after year after year after year.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I can't knock that.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
No, but nobody's knocking it. But what I'm trying to
say to you is, here's why it doesn't add up.
Because for him to play with the numbers that he's
putting up and to have Anthony Davis on his team,
and the only way the Lakers make the playoffs is
through to play it or they have to get like
they're not even a top eight team.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
And they got to go through.
Speaker 8 (10:04):
Lebron was still top five, Like he don't need to
be top five with Anthony David.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Lebron was don't need to be top five with.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
Anthony Day Lebron, all of that stuff didn't matter because
he was good enough to overcome it. It's the same
thing we were talking about in the first hour with
the Bears. Caleb Williams is not good enough to overcome
all of the dysfunction that is going on around him.
Joe Burrow at times is just that he has been
good enough to overcome historic just mismanagement.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
The Lakers are a mismanaged franchise.
Speaker 8 (10:36):
If Lebron played, for example, the Spurs, Lebron the part
of the mismanagement. No, yes, he is a lot of
the moves that they've made, or Brian is well, then
that's their fault. That's not like that's their fault because
you know what, the Miami he could have did the
same thing when Lebron went up there and talked to
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pat Riley and said you need to come coach this team.
Pat Rowley, you know what he did. He said no,
because he's the guy in charge. If you want to
count out to Lebron, that's your fault. But that's your fault.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
But they but you can't act like Lebron that you
say they mismanaged Lebron and and uh and and and
his agency.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
With Rich Paul.
Speaker 8 (11:15):
They have a lot of say they made them draft
Bronny on a roster spot. I argue, I'm no, it's not.
It's not Lebron. It's the people that are supposed to
be running the organization. If if for like in any
walk of life, it's the people that's supposed to be
you know, enforcing or whatever, doing their jobs. If somebody,
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for example, just let you come in whenever you were
doing wanted to do your show, say I'll be there
at seven fifteen today.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
You know why, because this is when I want to
come in.
Speaker 8 (11:45):
Is that your fault or is that their management's fault
for not doing something about it?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Management?
Speaker 8 (11:50):
Yeah, But if you go and once you sign up
with Lebron, My point is that Lebron is the one
who has asked them or had them trade the younger
players and the lake those are the ones that didn't
very much still life, which is why they're poorly rich.
Don't you don't you rememberless too don't you remember when
even when they want when he wanted Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I mean, that was the whole thing they showed him.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That Genie Buss wasn't it as barbecue. It was Russell Westbrook,
Anthony Davis and Lebron. They had a power wow. And
that's and then all of a sudden, that's when it
all happened. Is and I get it because that they
Lakers should not run their organization like a mom in
pop store.
Speaker 8 (12:29):
But guess what they are. They're a mom in pop store,
Like I said, poorly managed. But le has a part
of it. He's he's a GM, the facto GM.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well he shouldn't.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
That's again, you are making everything and are not Lebron
being the defect of being the facto M why they
are being d But you could be a de facto
and be good at it. He's bad at it, okay,
but so is my good Jordan was an actual GM
and he went bad at it. But here so that
just goes to show you why if Lebron was in
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a franchise that was more properly managed, the winning would
be different.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
No, he wouldn't be there because he wouldn't go to
a team. He wouldn't be there. He he he was
in Miami. He won champions Miami. No, but they didn't
didn't but they didn't win. They won two, but they
were supposed to win seventh.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
Okay, but they say you can't fundamentally say they did
not win when your next enterence is say one, they.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Didn't Win's not how they were what they expected them
to win.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
You know that that was when they came together.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
For them to lose to that Dallas Mavericks team and
for them to only win two out of four when
they had a stacked team, so they won the.
Speaker 8 (13:37):
Cent of available championships. They didn't win anything. They didn't
do anything special. Shorts has a sports Shorts has a
short man. Shorts has a sports man. Leave it alone. Well,
I'm wondering if you do. I got winning matters here,
but it doesn't matter there. Hey, but they only won two,
but they should have won seven. Hey, but did they
went to even still?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Mac?
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I'm not sure?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Hey, seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
nine nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
What's the question? Look at Ron in fact win two
championships in Miami, not at all?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Looking at stats mean is it just the compiling of
numbers or does it have to have a context. And
all I'm saying is, yes, Lebron is going to pass
Michael Jordan in thirty point games.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
He only's behind by three.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
We already know that he's the leading point scorer in
NBA history. He's been, he went to the NBA Finals set.
We got all that, But does it need context for
it to matter? And when I look at the context
and what Michael has done is such a shorter amount
of time, that gives me even more reason to believe that,
without question, Michael Jordan is the greatest NBA player we've seen.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Where Are You? Eight seven seven ninety nine?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
On Fox, it is the odd couple on the TV
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Speaker 2 (15:17):
It is the odd couple on a TV theme song Thursday,
that's right on your Thanksgiving night, hopefully your belly full. Yes,
some sweet potato pie, pumpkin pie for the dessert. Have
people eating in Los Angeles is five twenty four? You
think people have eaten?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Right, they're eating early on time.
Speaker 8 (15:35):
I think if you're probably probably ate at four o'clock,
which is south of the ten, you probably eaten already.
If I mean, if you're north of the ten, you
probably ate south Really Okay, what time would what time
do you normally eat? Probably still waiting four o'clock? That
was East Coast Tom, though we would eat at four o'clock.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
That's kind of early.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Well.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Rob is the originator of the Early Bird special. That's right.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It is the hot couple. Rob Parker Martin wife's filling
in for Kelvin Washington. We're coming to your life from
the Tireck dot Com eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox.
Just talking about the Lebron Michael Jordan debate that continues,
and it was just interesting to me when Charles Barkley
talked about the difference. Michael Jordan has five hundred and
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sixty two career thirty point plus games, and Lebron is
up to five hundred and fifty nine now after his
last thirty point performance, and Charles was like, you know,
it's incredible. Tells you about Michael when you think that
he played eight less seasons than Lebron or whatever it is?
Seven eight seasons?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Where are you?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
How important is context? And when you look at a
stat like that, does it really tell you more about
Lebron and his longevity or tells you about Michael and
how good he was at a short period of time?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox, we had.
Speaker 8 (16:52):
Billy from Florida last hour. Let's now go to Bobby
from Florida. To Bobby any relation to Billy?
Speaker 9 (17:00):
Hey, Rob, be talking to you again?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yes, how are you?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
You know?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
That's what they used to call me when I was
growing up. That's my name. My family named. Bobby is a.
Speaker 9 (17:10):
Great name, Yes, sir, But Rob always supposed to talk
to you. And I agree you and I go back
whereas and fighting about Brady and stuff, But I agree
totally with you with this. Jay is the best that
ever was. And yeah, okay he stayed well, Bron. When
how you say eight eight seasons? I think how many games?
Speaker 7 (17:33):
That is?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Right? It's incredible, right it is?
Speaker 9 (17:38):
And you know, he still only has four championships, and
one of them I think is a scam when they
had that you know, COVID thing, the.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
Bubble Championship in Orlando, right, Uh well, yeah, there it is. Hey, Bobby,
you appreciate your support, my man on the shelf, thanks
for calling in.
Speaker 9 (17:55):
Hey, I love you.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Have a happy thank you, my man.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. Eight seven.
Speaker 8 (18:00):
I have been ninety nine on Fox. Let's go to
Mike in Ohio. You're on the couple on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Mike Cappy, Thanksgiving, buddy.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Have a Thanksgiving good. Yes, I definitely agree with you.
On listen Rob, Mike, Michael was by far the best,
you know, the time. If he hadn't played baseball, there's
no doubt in my mind they would have won eight
in a row. They won three before three after talk
about the team not being ran very well. Even the
Bullswort ran very well. Whenever Jerry Kroft broke up the
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Bulls for the simple fact that he wanted to act
like he was the reason they were great instead of
Michael Jordan's. I mean, you should have kept that team together.
They still be playing.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Remember that it was crazy to Michael Jordan. I don't know,
Martin if you know this. I mean I remember COVID.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
I watched the Last Night, right, But I'm saying Michael
was like, yeah, I'll come back and you bring uh
if you bring Phil Jackson back. First thing Jerry Kroft
said was Phil's not coming like it was like unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Wanted to bring that guy from Iowa State, right.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Well, look just like I mean, Floyd was the guy.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
I'm actually knowing him in a very strange you know
some Thanks.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
For the call, I appreciate it, But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
If the teams were better ran some of the players
might have had better champions they it would have been
a better situation. Like if Jerry Krow should have listened
to Michael Jordan, Genie Bus probably shouldn't listen to Lebron.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
And the Bulls, people don't remember, were a bad organization
before mj got there, had never won anything.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
They were really bad.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
And that's what was even more impressive about what he
was able to do without joining up with other stars
or whatever. And they just made trades and had people
eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox DRE in Massachusetts,
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Speaker 3 (19:38):
Happy Thanksgiving on Trey.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Happy Thanksgiving, Bud, Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Thank you for being on.
Speaker 10 (19:45):
Glad to be with you again.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Come on, Dre, you know what you can count on
every holiday? Right? What can you count?
Speaker 9 (19:51):
Indeed?
Speaker 10 (19:52):
I look forward to it, you know what I mean?
Because everybody's different, you know, But it's great that we
still have the great radio shows, the sports going on
over the holiday. So thank you guys for doing what
you're doing.
Speaker 8 (20:03):
You know.
Speaker 10 (20:04):
In terms of this age old debate with Lebron and
Michael Jordan, I have to give my flowers to Lebron
in terms of the longevity and what he's doing kind
of hanging on for his sons and continuing to be
out there and kind of carry the load. But the
Truck's point, it's quality over quantity. Lebron has four MVPs
in his twenty years. MJ has five, okay, all NBA
(20:27):
First team MJ ten, Lebron thirteen. Okay, So I give that,
you know again with the more time he's played. Bottom
line is this for me though, the way Lebron went
about it with this whole super team era that kind
of deluded his ability to win these signature awards because
it was all about kind of the team and being
the GM, So I think that takes away from him,
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but where I do have to give him credit. In conclusion,
Lebron wouldn't allow what happened to Michael Jordan happened to him.
He wasn't going to allow Jerry Krause to dictate. So
Lebron changed the paradigm with the whole player empowerment. I'm
going to take to the team how things are gonna go.
But it watered down his individual stats. But I think
MJ's ahead of him, but he does have those legacy
achievements than taking the call.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Appreciate it. Thank you so much, Drey.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It is the couple on a TV theme song Thursday,
Rob Parker and marm Weiss and coming up next, we're
gonna talk about the Chiefs and the Raiders and oh no,
we're not going there yet. We got some more other football.
We're gonna save that, I think right for our number three,
but we got more NFL football. We'll talk to Giants
and Cowboys. Game is over and USC Chris will update
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you on what went on there and what else is
happening in Sports on this Thanksgiving night?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
What's up, Chris? That's right, Rob.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
The final seconds were nailed out not long ago, twenty
seven to twenty so they covered for me, right, they
did cover for you. I believe it was what points
three and three and a half and a half three
and a half, So there we go, so that there
row for me on Chet's right, that's right. The Giants
really threatening late here with a Drew Lock rushing touchdown,
but no such luck. The Cowboys got a couple of
(22:06):
first downs and that game is over. The hero of
that game Rico Doddele one hundred and nine rushing yards,
one rushing TD. I I know, I know. This Cowboys
backfield is getting really really interesting. So Cowboys improved to
four and seven. Meanwhile, we're just getting started in Miami
and green Bay. A muffed punt actually has Green Bay
(22:29):
in the red zone. I was going on, how they
get down there that fast? The easiest way to move
the ball is make someone else move it for you.
So still waiting to score there, but it looks like
Green Bay is knocking on it like.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
It's November in green Bay. Oh it is.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
I believe last night looked it was around like twenty degrees.
You could see the breaths on the Yeah, it's that
time of year. Meanwhile, in Detroit on Thanksgiving earlier today,
the Lions Bears were in action and one of the
biggest stories coming out is how the hell did the
Bears lose this game. Near the end of the game,
you have Caleb Williams marching down the field, a very
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ernest defensive pass interference puts them in good position, threatening
for a field goal to tie or touchdown to go ahead,
and instead time runs starts to run off the clock
and things get really weird, really quick. Williams with seven,
Williams with six takes the snap. This could be the
final play of the game, throws it deep down field.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It is a game and in complete.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
That's it. That's it.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
What in the world with the Bears game?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's over?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Man?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
You talk about the world of Proctice Vanda games over?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Oh, that's it.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
Ninety seven won the ticket on the call there and yeah,
Matt Eberfluse not using his final time out, game is over.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I guess you took that home with him back.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
I was gonna say, as your old friend Mike Flenty
would say, they're not like cell phone minutes. They don't
carry over.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
When who's the other person on the lines? Broadcast? Dan Miller, Lomas.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
Thomas Brown and then I think T. J. Lang Is
added him this year.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
He's kind of like a third chair, like a bookermobile
type of guy.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
He's like the sideline guy.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Yeah, he taps in every now and then to keep
it honest for the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
We do have a score finally in.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Green Bay Jaden Jayden Reed's touchdown off of that Miami
muffed punt, So the Packers score quickly and they are
on the board finally, real quick. Some college basketball scores
from earlier. Oklahoma took down number twenty four Arizona in
the Battle for Atlantis eighty two seventy seven Louisville with
a seventy nine seventy overtime win in Maui. That comes
(24:49):
a day after they beat number fourteen Indiana, who kept
taking on water and they lost to Gonzaga eighty nine
seventy three. Rob Martin back to you.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Hi, thank you USC Chris with the updates here on
the odd Couple. Rob Parker Martin Weiss filling in for
Kelvin Washington Martin, and I will be back here tomorrow
as well. Yes, I'm working on Black Friday. Patrick, you
know tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Every Friday is Black Friday exact, at least for me.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I'm just saying, Patrick, okay, okay, I just want to
make sure.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
You know black as it gets man, exactly all right.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
We're coming to your love from the tire rack dot
Com Studios and the Packers are up seven to nothing.
Would you have in this game? Packers against the Dolphins?
And we know the weather stat if the temperature is
below forty something degrees forty five, forty five.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
The number, Yes, they don't. The Dolphins can't win. Is
that what it is? Can't win? Haven't been able to win? Yeah,
in that weather.
Speaker 8 (25:52):
But the idea that this this is funny to me
because TUIs said, I don't think we have I don't
think we probably don't have it ready, but I Ta
said talking about this game, he's ready happy to dispel
narratives about his inability to win in the cold. And
It's like, I don't know, rober if you're late for
work every day for three weeks and then you come
in on time that Monday, is that a narrative that
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you're always late for work, Like that's just what's happens.
Like it's just the truth of what it is. And
it doesn't even mean it Allas plays bad. But I
just think this Dolphins team is a bad football team.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, but I understand what he's saying, and I'm saying
from this standpoint, that was the knock on Jason Tatum
that he couldn't win a championship, that they won a
lot of games, he don't have one to take. I
don't know how many NBA people I heard said that
they don't believe in the Celtics despite the wins, despite
when they were running the table in the playoffs. They're
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beating everybody, right, and they were like won twelve out
of fifteen games, and people still would questioning whether or
not they could win a championship.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
And a lot of people picked two the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Didn't they because they didn't believe in that Jason Tatum
could win a championship. And I get what Tua is saying.
I understand what you mean, and maybe it's not the
right term, because a narrative means you've made up something, right, right, right,
You've made up something. This is fact that he hasn't
won when the temperatures blow forty five degree, but that
doesn't mean he could never win a game in that temperature.
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And I think that's what he's saying is if I
can win this one game or win this game in
the bad weather, maybe people will stop talking about it.
I think it was more about that. And we do
have two in the sound on this.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Let's listen.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
Yeah, I mean, I'm excited to kill narratives, so let's
go bring it on.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
It's like I appreciate the kids, candor right.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
I'm not saying should go out there and lay down
because it's cold, but like if, for example, Miami draws
Buffalo in the first round in the wildcard, or Miami
draws Kansas City in the wildcard, you know what, I'll
be picking Kansas City or Buffalo in part because it
will be cold and the Dolphins won't play well in
the cole Yeah, but there's also at some point they
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could break that and there'll be a moment or a
situation and then you can't use that anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I understand why people use it because they haven't been
able to win yet. Okay, And the same thing. Until
you win, there's a narrative or there's a conversation about
the Buffalo Bills and that they should rename Buffalo New
York to wide right New York because they can't. They
always seem to miss a field goal in a big
game or a big situation, and that's plagued that franchise
(28:32):
for a long time, and they've come up short. As
much success as the Buffalo Bills have had. What do
people think about the four straight Super Bowl losses? And
then these losses like they had against the Chiefs where
Josh Allen drives down, scores a touchdown right and there's
only thirteen seconds left, and somehow they kick the ball
instead of squibbing it for the time to run out,
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they kick it to Kansas City and they wind up
losing the game.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
But all of those are very specific instances of the
level of either game mismanagement or just kind of like
human element, right, God misses the field goal because he
chokes or something along that nature. This is just what
happens in football. It's similar to me to like, I
would not have been nearly as high on the Lions
as I was at the start of.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
This year if they played seven. If they played seven or.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
Eight games outdoors because Jared Golf struggles outdoors. The thing
that I was because they're gonna be I figured they
would be a top seed, if not one or two
seed in the NFC when you look around it, and
so they would have indoors all the way through. But
like if I wouldn't like Detroit, chances to go out
here in Green Bay in January or I'm sorry in
December because of what Jared Golf has done in the
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past in the cold and in the outside, Like to me,
this all matters. And if you have a quarterback when
it turns fifty degrees, shows an inability to maneuver with
all the.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Losses are because he played poorly or I'm all right,
I'm gonna be free phrasing.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
When you have an operation that seems that it cannot okay,
that's what under fifty degrees, whether it's the quarterback, whether
it's Mike McDaniel, whether it's the scheme that you're running
like the past, the past heavy scheme doesn't work as
when it gets cold and receivers fingered and that ball
feels like bricks as it's coming in and receivers are trying.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
To make the catch.
Speaker 8 (30:15):
Maybe that's the problem, but whatever it is, if you
can't win cold weather.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Games, you can't win in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
But here's the problem is that we over we overdo
it when it comes to the quarterback. They get way
too much praise for when teams win, and they get
too much, way too much blame. And I'm not saying
that too. I'd have to look at his stats. If
you could show me that his stats are always bad
in the cold, then maybe I could buy into it.
(30:42):
But there are those games that I'm sure that they
lost because their defense didn't show up or their coach
didn't do a good job. And there are games that
to would play poorly as well, and they all go
on to its record right and people go, oh, say,
if it's forty five or less too, it can't win
a game. Somewhere those games, there are those games where
(31:03):
he's to blame, but not all of them. And I
think that's where has the right to push back somewhat.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Is that fair?
Speaker 8 (31:12):
I mean, he's zero and seven with a fifty five
percent completion percentage, eight touchdowns, ten interceptions.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Now he's got to own this like that's the static.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
But I'm asking, can you give me the defensive stats
as well during that stretch or no, you don't have those,
do you.
Speaker 8 (31:26):
I'm looking at a negative. No, I'm not down the
interception ratio. I don't quite care, honestly, if you if
you play, I'm asking about the defense. If you havenue
that if he had the same numbers as Joe Burrow
does with the defense, ideas this year, like let's say
this year, like the way that Burrow was playing, throwing
five touchdown games, defense is giving up six, we wouldn't
be having this conversation in the same way. Yeah, but
(31:49):
because we saw him struggle in cold weather, I get it.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
But without the defensive numbers as well, if you could
show me, I'm just saying, so you're telling me that
you could still win games more with bad stats as
a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Said two years ago?
Speaker 8 (32:04):
Can you I'm asking seconds ago, can you win a
game as a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
And the Giants?
Speaker 8 (32:09):
The Giants want to play game with Daniel Jones, So
let's make him the highest paid quarterback in football.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Because that's what that's what toy is arguably right, And
that's not based off of that. That's just we're talking.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
That's about the league though, that's the toy getting paid.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
That is just what they do.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
They pay the quarterback position and the guy next up
the most franchises gets the most.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Why quarterbacks get more of the blame and more of
the prey.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
But a lot of that is what it's been going
on forever about that because we always talk about how
many Nobody says how many? How many Super Bowls? Did
did the left tackle win? Nobody talks about it's about
the quarterback.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
Quarterbacks have been getting too much Praiss Super Bowl One
when Max McGee.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Had three catches and two touchdowns and Bart Starr won
the MVP.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
But the fact that the matter remains that once you
pay your quarterback like he's a franchise quarterback, I expect
him to be a franchise quarterback. Maybe that's bad. So
if he wins today was what does that mean to you?
That'll mean he's one in seven and whether in cold
weather again, that's it means. That's what spelling a narrative.
This is not what he will have won. What would
be So now he won in the cold weather, twenty
(33:14):
degrees in Green Bay, what does that mean nothing to me?
That's the whole point he's saying that this matters. It
doesn't matter to me. He's saying it changes in aerative.
I'm already do this spelling area. It doesn't know what.
What it will stop is that you say that he
can't win in the cold. I will say now, I
will say he's one in seven in there.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
But you can't say that he can't win in the cold.
And I think that's what people believe. All right, They're
gonna lose this game anyway, so it won't matter. Okay,
you're crusting now at something. So I think, No, I don't,
but there you go. But I'm going eight and cold.
Speaker 8 (33:43):
But today, based off of the cold weather, I just
expect green So it's not based on the cold weather. Okay,
So what other factor that you a ways better? I
think Green Bay's better. So a game, no, I'm talking
about today, Well, I'm talking about all I'm talking about today.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
This is another thing. Baby comes the book of It. No,
I don't agree with that. I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I think every game is individual. I don't think that
you can look at every game here and put it together.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
There's a through line here and it's right under forty
five degrees.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Okay, and so if he wins, though, you can't use
that that he never can win in the cold weather.
That's the only thing that I think he's talking about
is that you won't be able to use that against him.
Speaker 8 (34:24):
Well matter because they're gonna lose. So all right, it
is the odd couple.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I wonder what he'll say in the post game. Oh,
the narrative is still true, guys, It is the odd couple.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Rob Parker Martin Weiss in for Kelvin Washington on his
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Coming up next, Anthony Edwards calls out his team. Will
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and you like it. You like guys being tough and
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Speaker 3 (34:55):
Stick and stay unless you can't play in the cold.
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Speaker 2 (35:12):
The Skipper Braven Shore five passenger set sail that day
on a three hour tour.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Three hour tour.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
The weather started getting okay, the tiny ship was talking
how much.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
If not for the courage of the field his crew,
the middle would be lost, lost, would be lost.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Lost, the ship sunk ground on the shore of this
uncharted desert, all with Gilligan the skipper, two.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Millionaire and his wife. It's old lady moovey star and Mary. Yeah,
here's the story.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
Really, if it's a three hour tour, why is a
millionaire and his wife on And why did they bring
clothes on a three hour tour?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Why didn't they have their own boat? Why are you
questioning the rich? It doesn't make sense. Why are you
questioning the rich?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
It is the eyd couple on a TV theme song Thursday,
Rob Parker, Martin Weiss.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Back at that time of the supposed to only they
had to carry their iPads coming to you live from
the rich. But but you don't bring clothes and you
never watched the show.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
There had trunks full of different clothes for a three
hour tour.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
They weren't going on a on a cruise tour. Most
people are kind of irrational. They just do whatever. Just
if you had the money to bring your wardrobe with you,
you probably would on a three hour tour. No, on
a three hour tour on a three hour tour? How
long three hour tour? Alright? One not to that's three hour?
All right?
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Speaker 3 (37:02):
Should we hear? Can we hear?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
From Anthony Edwards ripping his team? Oh we don't have
the sound, Martin?
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Do you have? Who has it up?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
He basically called his team Martin soft called out the fans.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
You know, people were dying last year.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
They wanted to make Anthony Edwards the face of the NFL,
and he put a tremendous postseason huh the NBA, Uh,
the NBA. But it was very premature and people went
a little crazy. They had them winning the championship. All right,
can you pull up the quotes please?
Speaker 5 (37:35):
So the quotes were guys that like he said, I'm
gonna take this one. And then he's like, I don't
like front runners myself. I'm not a front runner. He
goes and he was just he was just so mad,
and he's like, we was down, nobody want to say anything.
We got up and everybody was cheering, and then he
just went on a really, really bad tiring and he
was criticizing the fans. He goes the fans booing us
(37:55):
that it's crazy, man, we're getting booed in our own
home arena. And he just he was so not having
And then the exact quote was we soft as heck
as a team internally, not to the other team, but
internally we soft. We can't talk to each other, just
a bunch of little kids, just like we're playing with
a bunch of little kids. Everybody, the whole team, we
(38:16):
just can't talk to each other. And we've got to
figure it out because we can't go down this road.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Well, you, Martin, you like this he's calling this team out. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
I like it. Okay, yeah, I like it. I don't
like what they're doing offensively. You have one of the
best slashers in the NBA shooting upward to ten threes
a game.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
That's a mistake.
Speaker 8 (38:34):
That's a problem, like fundamentally, and I think ultimately what's
happened is Carl Anthony Towns is no longer there. And
while Karnthony Town's a good player, I'm not trying to
knock that. I thought the trade was a good move,
but the whipping boy is gone now. There was always
somebody to blame in Minnesota for why things were going
to be the way they were, and a lot of
times that was Karl Anthony Towns because they.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Had the way in New York.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
Right now, well, we'll see how that turns out when
the game starts to matter a little bit more. But
I like saying you saw do you see the clip
where Julius Randalls dribbling, Drudy Gobert is just standing in
the paint and gets a three second call Anthony Edwards
lights him up. Like, to me, this is the type
of leadership that if you're gonna be a guy who
is a face of franchise type of player, these are
(39:18):
the type of things that you have to be able
to do, especially as you are playing, like as hard.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
As you play.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, only thing is there's a time and place for everything.
I don't think you need to go to the media
with it. As a guy in the media, I love
it that we can talk about it and it's out there,
but that you don't need to run to the media
every time something goes wrong, and ripping the fans is
a lose, is a lose lose, there's no reason to
do that. Fans have a right to boo just like
(39:44):
they have a right to cheer. They pay their money.
So whenever you get into that, oh they boot us
at home.
Speaker 8 (39:50):
I think I remember Aaron Judge getting we're playing so bad,
we're getting booed at home. That's what's crazy to But
Aaron Judge got booed like crazy.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
In April and Yankee Stadium and won the MVP. All right,
it is the
Speaker 2 (40:03):
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