August 29, 2025 • 38 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin tell us whether Micah Parsons could actually come to regret leaving Dallas in the same way Tyreek Hill regrets leaving Kansas City, and explain how the ongoing Shedeur Sanders saga exposed the NFL Draft evaluation process. Plus, former NFL quarterback and FOX Sports Radio NFL analyst Shaun King swings by to discuss the fallout of the Micah trade, the narrative that Shedeur has gotten a raw deal so far in Cleveland, his expectations for Arch Manning this upcoming season, and much more!
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We got a bunch of big time conversations again, some
NFL things that have happened over the last few days
to get to here before we jump back back to
Jerry and of course what's happened with Micah Parsons. And
we've gotten some more revelations Martin. This with the trade
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about all different aspects of this trade. One of the
things that we talked about some yesterday is David I
call him moulac Getta because that's what he've been doing.
But David Mullaghetta and just his roll in this. And
(02:15):
we've heard Jerry say. We just had Nick Harris last hour,
who's connected of course with the Cowboys. He talked about
it and maybe there was some missing I don't want
to call it misinterpretations, some backdoor dealing between Jerry and
Micah that we know can't happen. By the way, duh
with the CBA, we know that's something you can't do.
(02:36):
And Jerry Sperry familiar with.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
That, do you know, Kelvin.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
I got a call yesterday from Brian Donaldson, who's both
known the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, yeah, that's not true. Per him.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
He says, there's nothing in the CBA that says an
agent has to be involved in these negotiations. Now, if
a player has an agent, that agent must be certified
by the NFLPA.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
But he called me yest night and sent me straight.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
He said there's nothing in the CBN that says an
agent has to be involved with the negotiations.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Now, a player has the right to have an agent.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
But let me let me Yeah, that makes it, And
I'm obviously Brian's our guy and I trust him on that.
But I will add this though, if you sign with
an agent, if you're MIC in this case, which clearly
they know his agent because they've had to do dealings
before you, he can't do a deal without his agent
because he is signed with his agent.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Agree.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
So I just wanted to make it clear like he
actually was the point of clarification, like they should. Really
the NFLPA needs to really figure this out in the
next CBA, because you wouldn't have this conversation otherwise.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Right, No, that's a fair point. Shout out to Brian Downson,
our guy. Both of us know him. But I will
stand on the point that you knew you had to
do a deal with the guy, especially a big time agent.
Right let's back of a small up and comer. Okay, whatever,
you know who this guy is and what he's about.
So the idea that we're gonna just sign something on
(03:58):
an act and dap each other up and act like
we're gonna move forward.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You know that wouldn't happen.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So but you you believe that maybe Jerry's telling truth
that hey, Mike and our great relationship. We had Nick
Harris who came on and said that Michael was one
of the only three guys ever to have the direct
line to Jerry and that maybe we look at it,
gotten away and screwed this up.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
So this is my this because this is what I
just had to think about this Jerry.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
I watched all forty six minutes of Jerry Jones' press
availability yesterday after we got off.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Of the year, and I was I know, it's very
popular today to be like Jerry Blewett.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
And if we're gonna talk about what Jerry could have
had did last year and the year before, and that's
where we're gonna have the conversation, then I agree. But
if we're gonna talk about to yesterday and right now,
it did Jerry Jones did not have to me a
lick of like any type of animosity towards Michael Parsons
(05:02):
had several opportunities. He only took what I took it
as like one veiled kind of shot at what could
have been condemed the deem does a shot at Michael
when he said about hopefully if we play the package,
we'll get a lead and run the ball right, because
but that was it, And he said a million different
times in that presser, I offered Michael Parsons a contract
(05:26):
which had the most guaranteed money for a defensive player
in NFL history. And I get that Jerry does a
lot of bluster. Jerry does a lot of this and that.
But if in fact that handshake deal, right, which we
both agree, is far from locked in. Right, it's far
from locked in, but they had it all went out
(05:48):
at that conversation. If Jerry goes to Micah and that conversation,
MIKEL appreciate your patience and waiting to get this deal done.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
We want to make you the highest We're going to
give you the most.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Guaranteed money of any defensive player in NFL history. We see,
we got the quarterback, you see we got the receiver.
To me, making a move like that says we want
you to be a part of our team. Michael Parsons,
who at every point prior to that August first trade demand,
said I am a cowboy for life. I am a
cowboy lifer giving up with we would have deemed to
(06:20):
be like the leveraging negotiation.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Right. He never once played at Koy.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
That's Dak Prescott was the one who played at Koy
a bunch of times. He said, I don't listen to
Jerry Jones. I don't do this and that. Yesterday, for context,
Jerry was asked, do you how do you feel about
moving forward with big contracts?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
You know, do you feel like there's gonna be an issue?
Speaker 5 (06:39):
He said, Ask Dak how it goes, because, to the credit,
we never saw any near the animosity with Dak in
his situation as we did with Jerry and Micah in
this situation. Every step of the way, Jerry said, the
agent got in the way. Michael Parsons up until Monday,
or up until August first explicitly said he wanted to
(07:02):
be a cowboy. Jerry Jones offered him a contract. If
you believe what Jerry said in his press conference. I
don't know why you would lie. There's plenty of reasons
why he would lie, but like I feel like it's
too easily refutable to just flatly lie. And if I'm wrong,
then the journalists who are covering this on a day
to day basis, should probably figure that out and out it.
(07:23):
But if Jerry wanted to offer Michael the most guaranteed
money the defensive player has ever gotten in the NFL, right,
and apparently Rob he was telling me was reported at
forty then again at forty five, which would have topped
all the deals currently at the times that they were offered.
It feels like Micah got this deal from Jerry said
this sounds good, went back to David Mulagetta, who is like, hey, no, no, no, bro,
(07:45):
We're gonna blow the top off of this thing. And
then Jerry said, oh, why was the agent trying to
get this headline when I'm trying to build a team,
And I get that. Just to me, it seems like this,
you have an agent. I don't have an agent, but
I have an understanding of how agents work. I believe
you have an agent. I don't mean to talk out
of turn, but that agent works for you, and it's
(08:06):
supposed to represent what you want. He will give you advice,
but if you want to stay where you're at, that
agent is supposed to negotiate the best that you can
get for where you're at. If you want to leave,
then he's supposed to negotiate the best that you can
get for you to leave. If Michael Parsons' goal was
to have the most money possible, then this is a win.
(08:26):
If Michael Parson's goal, which it seemed to be from
everything he has said up until August first, I want
to be a cowboy for life, seemed to be. I
wanted to be a cowboy for life, and so that's
why I find it fascinating. He's talking right now, and
I know I've been long winded, but I'll pin it
in this. He's talking right now, find I can't hear
what he's saying. Obviously, I'll go back and listen to
(08:47):
this whole thing. I would love to know what he
says about the Dallas Cowboys in this pressure because to me,
if it's anything but I'm a Green Bay packer now,
they made the investment in me, I'm not looking back.
If he says anything about how I wanted to end
my career in Dallas. I wanted to stay in Dallas.
I wanted to be a cowboy. I love the cowboys
(09:07):
growing up. Any of that reminiscing thing. If he's not
moved on like a true mercenary, then I feel like
we're looking at Tyreek Hill two point zero on a
lesser scale because the Cowboys didn't have the same success
as the Chiefs. You had a guy who was on
a Hall of Fame track, and Michael Parsoner is still
on a Hall of Fame track and Tyreek Hill is
still the same. But a guy who really liked where
he was at wanted to get paid more than the
(09:29):
team that he was at was willing to offer him
and looks back a few years later and.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Says, man, I kind of wish I was where I
was at, so you.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Said a lot. Let's let me backtrack on a few things.
One if we have our first conversation meeting Jerry and
Mikah and they're talking about the contract, as we just
had Nick Harriens talking about and it's been out there
that we know. The first time they had this conversation
was in March at a game. They're kicking it, they're
hanging out and blah blah, they're talking about the contract.
(09:58):
My goal and job as an is to say cool.
I understand y'all might have chopped it up and in
the contract came up and everything. I get that, but
it's March. It's early and I'm not ready to have
that deal. And yet I should have been involved in
that right. Also, I believe Michael wanted to. I believe
he said, we meant what he said, what he said,
I willing to take less money, blah blah blah. But
once in the process of negotiations, Martin, you talk about agents.
(10:22):
I know Kelvin Washington knows, let alone a professional one
of the best players in all the football that should know. Like,
there's a process that goes back, that happened, there's negotiations.
We want this, we want that. Okay, the money's right,
but we want another year. Oh we're not gonna give
you another year. Okay, the money's right, but we want
more of an incentives. So if he gets twelve fifteen sacks,
you give him an extra two milk.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
You get what I mean. There's back and forth.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
It's not as easy as just here's a dollar amount,
cool sign. There's a lot that goes into this. That
that's why money can get hired because of incentives or
that's why we have outs, little small clauses in the
contract where we can get out. Trust me, I've I've
had the been beneficiary of some of these things, it matters.
And so if in the process of us going through
the negotiations, and again, I don't mind being a bad
(11:06):
guy if I'm David mulah.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Getta, here's the issue.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
If all of a sudden, the guy who wants to
be here in Micah, now Jerry Jones, starts taking personal shots,
start questioning you know all he's missing games, making it
like he's all injury prone, and makes him out to me, Oh,
we had this deal.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I don't know why he's got to do that. That's
all about us.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
And now you put me in weird positions with my
agent when you know how business goes, Jerry, why would
you now put me in this weird thing where I'm
going Again, it's the guy who is being advantageous for me,
who's helping me.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Now you're trying to make it where I might have
beep with him.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
And then again now things start to get weird in
personal between Micah and Jerry. This is where again to me,
David Mullagetta says, all right, we might need to start
exploring some other options. So in the process of doing business,
things are gonna get tricky, Things are gonna get dicey,
it doesn't have to get personal. And I think that's
where Micah started to want to kind of shut tapping out.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
I wonder at what point, because we we as the
talking heads here on the radio, we remember things as
they get reported and may not be able to because
we're reacting to things as they're happening. You got to
slot things in a timeline. If that first meeting, like
Nick Harris said, was where it all went south because
he went back to the agent and the agent was
(12:24):
not pleased with everything that happened. Jerry went on that
podcast with Michael Irvin and said, Bulagat, can you say
that on the radio? Mulagat had said to stick it
up my Yeah, he's sticking up his ass like that
at no plate if Jerry I heard it as blufter
initially right, But if what if he's not.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
What if it's let's say he really said it, What
does that matter? If so, that's my point.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
If he really said it, If your agent went to
your boss and told you to shove something up his ass,
then like I can understand where the negotiations might fall
apart of it, Like I can understand where two interested
parties who were trying to get a deal done and
the middleman in between.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
If he's I mean, and I haven't heard.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
I heard Ryan Clark say that David Mulla get it
and said Jerry Jones said he said it to him right, So.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I'm gonna take I'm gonna take him. Let's take him
at his word, Martin. Let's take Jerry is worth. He
said that, you don't think at eighty two years old,
an oil tycoon, a man who was dealt with many
a big time deals with some violatile players and viol
Charles Haley was on the team, you know, and and
violtle guys and violatle agents over thirty plus years owned
the team that it ain't got real. We ain't said
(13:44):
some talking, some smack, but at the end of the day,
if business need to get done, business need to get done.
Let me also add to this, David Moulah get a
The reason why I say that is because what he
does is set.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
The market for his clients. Go over this again.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Jordan Love in twenty twenty four, negotiating for four year
deal two undred twenty million dollars after like eight games,
were like, hold on, wait he got that extension.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
We're like, should is he deserve it yet what doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
He got it Antwine will Winfield Junior big time deal,
which had him be the highest paid defensive back at
that time last year twenty twenty four when he signed.
We already know what de John Watson did. So my
point is, it seems like he knows what he's doing.
It seems like he isn't able to get guys the
big money, including Micah. And all I'm saying is if
he says he didn't say it, Jerry says he said it,
(14:30):
let's put it in the middle somewhere. Maybe he said, Jerry, no,
that's a terrible deal. He can shove it without the
a word or something. I didn't go there. Maybe he
didn't say that. Point is, dude, we're talking about millions
and hundreds of millions of dollars and contracts and negotiations,
and they can get tight, they can get contentions.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
They can get ugly.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I think Jerry is mad enough to be able to
be like, all right, like that shouldn't be the thing
of all the things of forty years of dealings, that
that's the thing that set him back.
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Well, I have a rebuttal in response to that, Kelvin
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(17:11):
All right, Martin, you said you had a thought of
rebuttal to the conversation about David Mullagut of the agent
for Michael Parsons in this trade and Jerry Jones, and
the concept we were talking about was just maybe he
did get in the way, Maybe Micah and Jerry had
something and maybe the agent blew it.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I don't buy it, but you had a thought to
what I was saying.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Yeah, my thought comes from a quote from Michael Parsons.
A quote from Michael Parsons December nineteenth to twenty twenty four.
I don't need forty million per year, Parsons said in
the locker room on Thursday. Understand that, you know, me,
Chauncey and Osha might have to separate. That's devastating, being
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here for four years, building our relationships to where it's been,
it's devastating.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
You can't help but root for all of them though.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
You want to see everyone get paid and everyone get
the maximum of their value.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
But you know, he goes. We've all been really locked in.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
I've been trying to tell him where the sacks are,
where the one on one opportunities are, because I want
to see these guys have success and do things.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
That's what brotherhood is.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
And then we can vacations somewhere in the offseason after
they get paid. It's nice to be surrounded by good players,
players that are going to help you win championships. I
want to keep as many guys as possible. I want
to work with them as much as possible. Then he
goes on to say, I want to say that, you know,
having forty million dollars and being chipped every play and
(18:39):
hit with two three four people. I don't think that
sounds too fun to me. So for me, it's about
people that can keep making a difference. That was Michael
Parsion's December nineteenth, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I don't know exactly when it was.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Probably the Cowboys had a couple more games after that,
but I know this, they were done playing by January
of twenty twenty five, and that was just eight months ago,
and so I don't understand what possibly could have changed here,
especially if Jerry was saying, listen, I'll give you the
(19:13):
most guaranteed money of any defensive player in NFL history,
because that seems to me like a deal that matches
every side of things when you just kind of just
talk about it in general, the most guaranteed money without
looking at the terms, or just if you just said
that was the tag on the chefter tweet you've been
I think as a Michael Parsons would have been good
(19:37):
with that at any point prior to that March meeting.
It seemed, or at least at least even after that
March meeting, according to Jerry Jones was good with it.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
He just finished talking.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I can't wait to see what Michael Parsons had to
say about the money today and what he had to
say about Dallas today, because to me, this sounds like
a guy who wanted to be a cowboy, and for
whatever reason they couldn't get those negotiations done. But this
is a guy who wanted to be a cowboy, and
Jerry wanted to give him the most defensive money that
(20:10):
and most guaranteed money any defensive players got.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
But the ire of Micah was on who Jerry and
also the cowboys, and so his disdain was for them
over the last few weeks a couple of weeks so
my thing would be clearly, I meaning, if this was
something he really felt like my uh, David Bill got
it messed up. We'd be sitting here and maybe, hey,
you and I have had a chance to hear it,
so maybe said it. Not to my knowledge, we didna say, hey, man,
(20:36):
I fired my agent. I got a new agent.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
So that is something he didn't say. This is what
he did.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
This is what I did here in between Robb g
annoying me about things over the week, and I was
trying to listen to some of this press conference because
you know, anyway, he did say he was asked if
he had talked to any of the cowboys since he
had left, and he said, I just talked to David.
So there was that was that was the only answer
to that question.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, so that's gang gang. They clicked up.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
And that's why I'm saying to me, this feels as
if michaeh, Yes, he might say some things kind of
giving us a little Wan solo vibe, like looking back
at my old boo talking about the cowboys in this case,
because I believe he wanted to be there. He said
it month a go. You just read some quotes we
heard him on his podcast. I don't think he ever
(21:23):
wanted to leave. I think he again one of the
three people that could call Jerry on his personal line.
That's why you know who hurts you most, the people
you're closest to. And I think that's why he was
so hurt and took things so personally because he felt
like this started to go awry, this started to go left.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Why isn't Jerry, you know, take.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Care of me.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
He took care of Dak, took care of city, took
care of the guys when it comes to me, who
I again, he probably felt personally connected to why is
this not the case? And so I think that's why,
more than the David Mullagetta end of it. To me,
I just think somewhere along the line, the gambler gam
and maybe gamble with the emotions of Micah, and Micah
(22:03):
had had enough and I told Rob g and Rob
Parker that this could happen, that this could finally be
the one that got away.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
And again maybe six months from now we're looking at it.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
They're all happy there Evervon Packer's happy, Michael's happy, Jerry's happy,
the cowboys have. Everybody moves on, But as of right now.
It's kind of like any relationship the ends. It's a
little rough, all right.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Sean King on the other side of trending right.
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Speaker 3 (23:07):
Brother?
Speaker 8 (23:08):
Football is back. I can switch channels watch different games.
What a time to be alive.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Feels good for sure, and hey put a button on
this for now. Obviously it's the biggest story in sports
right now. Just your initial reaction mikeah gets traded to
the Packers just boom?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
What was Sean thinking when he heard that?
Speaker 8 (23:29):
We won't know who got the best of the trade
until down the line. I mean, getting two first round
picks is big. That means the Cowboys have four picks.
The money they didn't allocate the Parsons they can use
now to help supplement other areas on the roster, whether
it be retaining key components now or adding in free agency.
So I'm not completely down on it from the Dallas
(23:52):
side simply because if they give parts the money, I
still don't know anybody that thinks Dallas is a super
Bowl team this year.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
I think that's kind of what it's kind of bothered
me about the national conversation, Sean. It's everybody's making fun
of jars are getting fleece in this trade. But I
also think if Jerry had signed Michael Parsons put five
million over any other defensive player that we've seen in
the NFL right now, everybody will be on TV saying
(24:21):
you got the highest pay quarterback by a mile, highest
paid defensive player by a mile, and you missed the
playoffs last year. And when you made the playoffs, to
Jerry's point, you could to stop the run against the Packers,
and in this group Packers and forty nine ers in
that stretch, I feel like Jerry's catching.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It from both sides in the way that's a little unfair.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
Yeah, I think it's the narrative on him what it
has been. I'm a guy that thinks press is productive,
but I don't think he's as impactful as he was
early in his career. I don't think he's a football
first guy. I think there are a lot of other
things in his life that are just as big a poverty.
So I'm not upset with j getting two ones and
(25:01):
a Pro Bowl defensive tackle at Kenny Clark. I mean,
long term for Dallas, this may end up being a
super blessing. On the Green Bay side, it still all
comes down to who and what is Jordan Love. I mean,
two years ago, Jordan Love looked like Aaron Parent, Aaron Rodgers.
He's ready to take the metal. Continue that lineage of
(25:22):
excellent quarterback play at Green Bay took a huge step
back last year, hesitant, you know, not really willing to
throw the ball with velocity down the field. So regardless
of what they do defensively, Jordan Love has to go
back to looking like the guy from two years ago.
So we'll see if it works out for them. But
it was a move they felt like they had to make.
We'll find out. I'm not with the national narrative that
(25:44):
this was a terrible decision by Jerry at on any front.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
He is Sean King, former NFL quarterback, Fox Sports Radio
NFL analysts.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
All right, Sean, let's go to We have a got
do you know what.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
We ain't talked about this in a couple of days
because of how big this has been, but I want
to go up to Cleveland. We've been having a conversation
about there with the quarterbacks. You've played the position, you
know it, you've coached it. How do you go into
that quarterback room and say how do you feel about it?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Now?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
With Flaco one, we got Dylan Gabriels two, and then
should do at three? And if you're maybe a personal
coach to Shador, what are you coaching them up?
Speaker 3 (26:20):
What are you saying?
Speaker 8 (26:22):
Just be ready? You know, don't give an your feelings,
don't get emotional. A lot of times when things don't
go your way. As an athlete, how you handle it
determines how successful you are moving forward. I don't think
Cleveland mishandled the competition. We thought coming in that Joe
Flacco probably would be the starter. Kenny Pickett, whether inconsistency,
(26:43):
in practice or injury, didn't do enough for them to
say he's our future, so they traded him. Now you
got two young guys, and if we're being honest and
you take all the extras out of it and just
evaluate the tape, it's a pretty close competition between Gabriel
and should Do. In the preseason. Gabriel, he probably didn't
play as well, said do it the first time. He
played better than should Do. At the same time, he
(27:05):
was the highest draft pick. Whether you agree with it
or disagree with it. You know, RG three made a
post the other they talking about how it is unfair.
I had responded to him post, like they give Kirk
Cousins an equal opportunity to compete with you, weren't y'all
both drafted in the same draft, Like the guy who
gets drafted earlier. Regardless of the position generally gets the
(27:26):
benefit of the doubt, rep opportunities. All of that stuff
doesn't mean that long Talm should do. It won't be
the starting quarterback. It'll just be how he handles this.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Sean, I know you're all over football in general, especially
since your flipping channels today. They're not watching pros hit
each other. You're watching the kids hit each other. And
we'll see a highly anticipated kid playing kids, not college debut,
but it feels like it almost as an unquestioned starter,
with arch Manning the kid really making his college football.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
They view Julian saying, on the other side.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Of the quarterback side for Ohio State and Texas, what
do you to see in the shoe on Saturday?
Speaker 8 (28:03):
I am going with a completely blank campus. And I
think one of the biggest issues with the football narrative
on our big platforms is how in the hell could
or respect to the valuator to have arch Manning as
the number one pick in there Mott Draft next year.
I'm saying he won't not saying he won't play himself
into that position, but he hadn't played enough. Like I'm
(28:28):
really giving arch a fair shot. I'm looking at arts
the same way I'm looking at Julian saying I'm not
going to annoy him the Heisman winner. If they play well,
I'm not gonna say they're a bus if they don't.
It's the collective. It's all of the plays, all of
the games that determine the evaluation. Tough environment, I'm sure
the horseshoe will be rocking. Sayans under a lot of pressure.
(28:49):
Arch is under a lot of pressure. I think the
one thing I would like to stay in the forefront
of is Arch. Manning is not Eli or Payton in
any way shape, form of fashion. He's more like a Josh.
He's a bigger body, jumbo athlete. He can extend plays
with his legs. He can run for yardage, he can
throw the full out. He's a different talent than his
(29:09):
two uncles. So it's gonna be fascinating to watch him
pulling for the kid Ohio State, different oc different quarterback.
We'll see. I'm really taking a wait and see approach
on this game because I want to be fair to
both of them.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Let me ask you this, Sean, I want to stay
in college football, but not so much the ex's and
o's on the field.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
You've got Dion Sanders, coach Prime, talking about he's come
up with an idea away for college football players and
college playoffs to help as far as getting the money,
but the way in which they do it. He was saying,
pay them more when their team wins. And if you
do that, he said, quote, that's gonna be a quality.
Now it's even and every player is making the same
amount of money. He was talking about doing. How kind
(29:50):
of NFL does with the playoff style bonuses. You got
Nick Saban talking about in ways they need to fix
this as well. Daniel and people are begging him to
be the commissioner. But do you think it's a broken
system right now? Nil transperportal? If you do, how do
you fix it? If you don't, then tell me why
you like it.
Speaker 8 (30:10):
It's absolutely broken. But I don't want to hear it
from Don. I respect everything Don's done in the game
of football, but if you didn't say it when Shador
and Tavis Hunter was making all that money, don't say
it now that they're gone. I don't want to hear
from him. But it's an easy fix. First of all,
high school kids shouldn't be eligible for NIL at his core.
(30:33):
Nil means name image likeness. A high school recruit has
not done anything at the university yet, so they haven't
profited or benefited from his name image likeness at all.
So that's the first thing. Take it out off the
high school kids fragonally. If you transfer, you're not allowed
to get NIL at the school you go to. It's
(30:55):
very easy. I don't think you put a chap on it,
but force gods, force gods, okay, or teams that develop
and evaluate well, don't punish them because they don't have
as big a budget as some of their competitors. Everybody.
Everybody talks about everybody talks about arch Manning. You know,
they don't say about arch Manning. Arch Manning backed up
(31:16):
quinn Ewan for two years. The rect of these kids
that they get bent for one game they leave like,
it's a lot to be said about how arch and
his family have handled this situation.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I completely get you on that, and I've been saying that.
Rob Gi knows, I've said this. One of the things
that's been what I don't like about the transport, and
you know this and Mark everybody's had to push through
and persevere. Is where it gets tough, right, Like, if
it ain't great, you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Have to just leave if it ain't going your way.
You know, that's sometimes in life.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
You got to push through and you got to make
something happen, and that'll be part of your storyline for sure.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Uh Mar, you got.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Let me.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
I also want to I also want the people that
are listening to understand they're all still on full scholarship.
So the amount of NIL is all just extra. It
doesn't They still don't pay for a thing. So all
these people in this country that are working their butt
off to have student loans that's still trying to pay back.
Now it's not applicable to any full scholarship athlete. So
(32:15):
I'm not against, you know, putting some kind of cap
on the conference or making it a salary cap for
the teams in that conference. So you got to make decisions.
But I just don't like the fact that and I'll
use two lane because that's why I went. I don't
like the fact that they can evaluate well out of
high school. Get a Darien Minza, bring him the two lane,
(32:36):
develop him, be able to give him seven hundred and
fifty thousand dollars a year in nil and Duke can
swoop in and give him two years eight million because
they had the same chance to saying come, I mean
for mensa coming out of high school. So like, I
just think that's the part of it that's unfair overall.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
I actually really think that's oppression point.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Like South Alabama's quarterback from last year is not going
to starting the ACC. I think they'd rather have him
than you know what I mean, Like that's who they
that's the reason why they went and drafted or up
drafted him, but recruited him and got him and now
he's gonna be starting.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
For Bill Belichick. Joe Opus.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
I think that's a really good point, Sean, and speak
up for the little guy every so often, like the
two lanes and and and so on. So I respected
a ton shot.
Speaker 8 (33:22):
They still they're still on full scholarship. That's why I
think if you put in the portal, if you transfer,
you're not eligible for n I L. It'll cut down
some of this unnecessary movement.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
All right, Well, hey, Sean man, that's a great idea. Brother,
Maybe they're listening. We appreciate you, Sean King. We'll do
it again, and.
Speaker 8 (33:38):
Football's back, all right, guys, enjoy yourself.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
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Speaker 7 (33:46):
There.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
We we were just talking a little bit about Shador.
How did we get to where we got to with Shador?
And now the right decision has been made?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Were we duked? Martin?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
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all right. So ken Ward, number one pick Tennessee Tights quarterback,
obviously has a good relationship with Shador. They trained throughout
the summer and out. Here's something he had to say
(34:58):
recently about he and should I.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Don't have a rivalry rhythm. That's my boy.
Speaker 9 (35:03):
So at the end of the day, this whole process,
we thought me and him were gonna be one to
two the whole time, whether he's one, two worn one
he's two. So that's just always been, you know, our mindset.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
It didn't go that way. I thought he's one of.
Speaker 9 (35:14):
The better quarterbacks in the draft as well, even throughout college.
A lot of stuff out there all him ain't really
you know the truth, just because they spend it different ways,
like they spend stuff about me different ways. But I
mean when when he gets his chance become a starter,
I know he's gonna make the most of it. And
all ready to get back to work with him, you
know after the season, you know, talk some more stuff
to him, you know, say some crazy stuff.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
I mean, we just go keep on pushing each other.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Because you know, Calvin, you remember watching cam warden should
Door working out like summers were summers prior to this,
and there was like an element of trash talk and
all this, but I kind of a healthy respect type
of thing. I just wonder, Calvin, is cam Ward the
only person who remembers this time a year ago.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Because it seems like the idea that.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
People are upset that people are covering Shador Sanders and
and like as Vihetma Lely as they are right now
is laughable to me because consensus he was a top two,
top five quarterback in the class. The idea that he
was a fifth round pick is absolutely news. For a
(36:21):
long time, and I mean a long time, like up
into the draft, they were debating is cam Moore better
than Shador Sanders?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Like is it right?
Speaker 5 (36:29):
There is like kind of there were one and two
neck and neck the entirety of the time until draft day.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
That is a story, all right. I went to Jay
school just like you did.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
You know, it's not a story when a dog bites
a man, when a man bites a dog.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
That's a story because something everybody was wrong.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
And so yeah, that's exactly why everybody is locked into
whether or not should your dance. Shador Sanders is going
to actually get an opportunity to play because everybody wants
to know just who was wrong? Was it all the
mock drafters who, to Shaun King's point, have arch manning
atop the thing right now? We'll touch on that at
(37:09):
the bottom of the next hour, But like, is it
the mock drafters?
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Is it the NFL?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Kelvin.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
You will you do the morning news if the weather
man says it's gonna be eighty five degrees in sunny
and it's a tornado in southern California, whose fault is it?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Is it God who made the weather? It's the weather man. Listen.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
What you're not gonna do is make it like I'm
crazy and I'm not talking to you because I'm one
thousand percent with you, and Rob g knows this and
I would scream this at the Rob Parker we were
talking about there was a shot that they could have
two top ten picks in Travis Hunter baby in Colorado
and also Shadure And yes, Shaduor was not playing sec
talent every week, he wasn't playing Big ten talent every
(37:52):
single week. But that was the consensus that he would
be right up there, one of the first one to
two quarterbacks taken, and all of a sudden, that switched up.
And that's why people were invested in the story, and
people had the right to be dumbfounded. And we have
had analysts, we've had scouts, We've had everyone say, well,
I ain't really feel right, and if all of a
sudden in a week or two because some bad interviews
(38:12):
allegedly that changes, that is absolutely worth being confused and
want and a half conversations about. So I have problems
all those drafts.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
We're going to make this a big story moving forward.
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about all different aspects of this trade. One of the
things that we talked about some yesterday is David I
call him moulac Getta because that's what he've been doing.
But David Mullaghetta and just his roll in this. And
(02:15):
we've heard Jerry say. We just had Nick Harris last hour,
who's connected of course with the Cowboys. He talked about
it and maybe there was some missing I don't want
to call it misinterpretations, some backdoor dealing between Jerry and
Micah that we know can't happen. By the way, duh
with the CBA, we know that's something you can't do.
(02:36):
And Jerry Sperry familiar with.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
That, do you know, Kelvin.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
I got a call yesterday from Brian Donaldson, who's both
known the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, yeah, that's not true. Per him.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
He says, there's nothing in the CBA that says an
agent has to be involved in these negotiations. Now, if
a player has an agent, that agent must be certified
by the NFLPA.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
But he called me yest night and sent me straight.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
He said there's nothing in the CBN that says an
agent has to be involved with the negotiations.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Now, a player has the right to have an agent.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
But let me let me Yeah, that makes it, And
I'm obviously Brian's our guy and I trust him on that.
But I will add this though, if you sign with
an agent, if you're MIC in this case, which clearly
they know his agent because they've had to do dealings
before you, he can't do a deal without his agent
because he is signed with his agent.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Agree.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
So I just wanted to make it clear like he
actually was the point of clarification, like they should. Really
the NFLPA needs to really figure this out in the
next CBA, because you wouldn't have this conversation otherwise.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Right, No, that's a fair point. Shout out to Brian Downson,
our guy. Both of us know him. But I will
stand on the point that you knew you had to
do a deal with the guy, especially a big time agent.
Right let's back of a small up and comer. Okay, whatever,
you know who this guy is and what he's about.
So the idea that we're gonna just sign something on
(03:58):
an act and dap each other up and act like
we're gonna move forward.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You know that wouldn't happen.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So but you you believe that maybe Jerry's telling truth
that hey, Mike and our great relationship. We had Nick
Harris who came on and said that Michael was one
of the only three guys ever to have the direct
line to Jerry and that maybe we look at it,
gotten away and screwed this up.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
So this is my this because this is what I
just had to think about this Jerry.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
I watched all forty six minutes of Jerry Jones' press
availability yesterday after we got off.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Of the year, and I was I know, it's very
popular today to be like Jerry Blewett.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
And if we're gonna talk about what Jerry could have
had did last year and the year before, and that's
where we're gonna have the conversation, then I agree. But
if we're gonna talk about to yesterday and right now,
it did Jerry Jones did not have to me a
lick of like any type of animosity towards Michael Parsons
(05:02):
had several opportunities. He only took what I took it
as like one veiled kind of shot at what could
have been condemed the deem does a shot at Michael
when he said about hopefully if we play the package,
we'll get a lead and run the ball right, because
but that was it, And he said a million different
times in that presser, I offered Michael Parsons a contract
(05:26):
which had the most guaranteed money for a defensive player
in NFL history. And I get that Jerry does a
lot of bluster. Jerry does a lot of this and that.
But if in fact that handshake deal, right, which we
both agree, is far from locked in. Right, it's far
from locked in, but they had it all went out
(05:48):
at that conversation. If Jerry goes to Micah and that conversation,
MIKEL appreciate your patience and waiting to get this deal done.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
We want to make you the highest We're going to
give you the most.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Guaranteed money of any defensive player in NFL history. We see,
we got the quarterback, you see we got the receiver.
To me, making a move like that says we want
you to be a part of our team. Michael Parsons,
who at every point prior to that August first trade demand,
said I am a cowboy for life. I am a
cowboy lifer giving up with we would have deemed to
(06:20):
be like the leveraging negotiation.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Right. He never once played at Koy.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
That's Dak Prescott was the one who played at Koy
a bunch of times. He said, I don't listen to
Jerry Jones. I don't do this and that. Yesterday, for context,
Jerry was asked, do you how do you feel about
moving forward with big contracts?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
You know, do you feel like there's gonna be an issue?
Speaker 5 (06:39):
He said, Ask Dak how it goes, because, to the credit,
we never saw any near the animosity with Dak in
his situation as we did with Jerry and Micah in
this situation. Every step of the way, Jerry said, the
agent got in the way. Michael Parsons up until Monday,
or up until August first explicitly said he wanted to
(07:02):
be a cowboy. Jerry Jones offered him a contract. If
you believe what Jerry said in his press conference. I
don't know why you would lie. There's plenty of reasons
why he would lie, but like I feel like it's
too easily refutable to just flatly lie. And if I'm wrong,
then the journalists who are covering this on a day
to day basis, should probably figure that out and out it.
(07:23):
But if Jerry wanted to offer Michael the most guaranteed
money the defensive player has ever gotten in the NFL, right,
and apparently Rob he was telling me was reported at
forty then again at forty five, which would have topped
all the deals currently at the times that they were offered.
It feels like Micah got this deal from Jerry said
this sounds good, went back to David Mulagetta, who is like, hey, no, no, no, bro,
(07:45):
We're gonna blow the top off of this thing. And
then Jerry said, oh, why was the agent trying to
get this headline when I'm trying to build a team,
And I get that. Just to me, it seems like this,
you have an agent. I don't have an agent, but
I have an understanding of how agents work. I believe
you have an agent. I don't mean to talk out
of turn, but that agent works for you, and it's
(08:06):
supposed to represent what you want. He will give you advice,
but if you want to stay where you're at, that
agent is supposed to negotiate the best that you can
get for where you're at. If you want to leave,
then he's supposed to negotiate the best that you can
get for you to leave. If Michael Parsons' goal was
to have the most money possible, then this is a win.
(08:26):
If Michael Parson's goal, which it seemed to be from
everything he has said up until August first, I want
to be a cowboy for life, seemed to be. I
wanted to be a cowboy for life, and so that's
why I find it fascinating. He's talking right now, and
I know I've been long winded, but I'll pin it
in this. He's talking right now, find I can't hear
what he's saying. Obviously, I'll go back and listen to
(08:47):
this whole thing. I would love to know what he
says about the Dallas Cowboys in this pressure because to me,
if it's anything but I'm a Green Bay packer now,
they made the investment in me, I'm not looking back.
If he says anything about how I wanted to end
my career in Dallas. I wanted to stay in Dallas.
I wanted to be a cowboy. I love the cowboys
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growing up. Any of that reminiscing thing. If he's not
moved on like a true mercenary, then I feel like
we're looking at Tyreek Hill two point zero on a
lesser scale because the Cowboys didn't have the same success
as the Chiefs. You had a guy who was on
a Hall of Fame track, and Michael Parsoner is still
on a Hall of Fame track and Tyreek Hill is
still the same. But a guy who really liked where
he was at wanted to get paid more than the
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team that he was at was willing to offer him
and looks back a few years later and.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Says, man, I kind of wish I was where I
was at, so you.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Said a lot. Let's let me backtrack on a few things.
One if we have our first conversation meeting Jerry and
Mikah and they're talking about the contract, as we just
had Nick Harriens talking about and it's been out there
that we know. The first time they had this conversation
was in March at a game. They're kicking it, they're
hanging out and blah blah, they're talking about the contract.
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My goal and job as an is to say cool.
I understand y'all might have chopped it up and in
the contract came up and everything. I get that, but
it's March. It's early and I'm not ready to have
that deal. And yet I should have been involved in
that right. Also, I believe Michael wanted to. I believe
he said, we meant what he said, what he said,
I willing to take less money, blah blah blah. But
once in the process of negotiations, Martin, you talk about agents.
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I know Kelvin Washington knows, let alone a professional one
of the best players in all the football that should know. Like,
there's a process that goes back, that happened, there's negotiations.
We want this, we want that. Okay, the money's right,
but we want another year. Oh we're not gonna give
you another year. Okay, the money's right, but we want
more of an incentives. So if he gets twelve fifteen sacks,
you give him an extra two milk.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
You get what I mean. There's back and forth.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
It's not as easy as just here's a dollar amount,
cool sign. There's a lot that goes into this. That
that's why money can get hired because of incentives or
that's why we have outs, little small clauses in the
contract where we can get out. Trust me, I've I've
had the been beneficiary of some of these things, it matters.
And so if in the process of us going through
the negotiations, and again, I don't mind being a bad
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guy if I'm David mulah.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Getta, here's the issue.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
If all of a sudden, the guy who wants to
be here in Micah, now Jerry Jones, starts taking personal shots,
start questioning you know all he's missing games, making it
like he's all injury prone, and makes him out to me, Oh,
we had this deal.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I don't know why he's got to do that. That's
all about us.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
And now you put me in weird positions with my
agent when you know how business goes, Jerry, why would
you now put me in this weird thing where I'm
going Again, it's the guy who is being advantageous for me,
who's helping me.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Now you're trying to make it where I might have
beep with him.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
And then again now things start to get weird in
personal between Micah and Jerry. This is where again to me,
David Mullagetta says, all right, we might need to start
exploring some other options. So in the process of doing business,
things are gonna get tricky, Things are gonna get dicey,
it doesn't have to get personal. And I think that's
where Micah started to want to kind of shut tapping out.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
I wonder at what point, because we we as the
talking heads here on the radio, we remember things as
they get reported and may not be able to because
we're reacting to things as they're happening. You got to
slot things in a timeline. If that first meeting, like
Nick Harris said, was where it all went south because
he went back to the agent and the agent was
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not pleased with everything that happened. Jerry went on that
podcast with Michael Irvin and said, Bulagat, can you say
that on the radio? Mulagat had said to stick it
up my Yeah, he's sticking up his ass like that
at no plate if Jerry I heard it as blufter
initially right, But if what if he's not.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
What if it's let's say he really said it, What
does that matter? If so, that's my point.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
If he really said it, If your agent went to
your boss and told you to shove something up his ass,
then like I can understand where the negotiations might fall
apart of it, Like I can understand where two interested
parties who were trying to get a deal done and
the middleman in between.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
If he's I mean, and I haven't heard.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
I heard Ryan Clark say that David Mulla get it
and said Jerry Jones said he said it to him right, So.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I'm gonna take I'm gonna take him. Let's take him
at his word, Martin. Let's take Jerry is worth. He
said that, you don't think at eighty two years old,
an oil tycoon, a man who was dealt with many
a big time deals with some violatile players and viol
Charles Haley was on the team, you know, and and
violtle guys and violatle agents over thirty plus years owned
the team that it ain't got real. We ain't said
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some talking, some smack, but at the end of the day,
if business need to get done, business need to get done.
Let me also add to this, David Moulah get a
The reason why I say that is because what he
does is set.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
The market for his clients. Go over this again.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Jordan Love in twenty twenty four, negotiating for four year
deal two undred twenty million dollars after like eight games,
were like, hold on, wait he got that extension.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
We're like, should is he deserve it yet what doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
He got it Antwine will Winfield Junior big time deal,
which had him be the highest paid defensive back at
that time last year twenty twenty four when he signed.
We already know what de John Watson did. So my
point is, it seems like he knows what he's doing.
It seems like he isn't able to get guys the
big money, including Micah. And all I'm saying is if
he says he didn't say it, Jerry says he said it,
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let's put it in the middle somewhere. Maybe he said, Jerry, no,
that's a terrible deal. He can shove it without the
a word or something. I didn't go there. Maybe he
didn't say that. Point is, dude, we're talking about millions
and hundreds of millions of dollars and contracts and negotiations,
and they can get tight, they can get contentions.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
They can get ugly.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I think Jerry is mad enough to be able to
be like, all right, like that shouldn't be the thing
of all the things of forty years of dealings, that
that's the thing that set him back.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Well, I have a rebuttal in response to that, Kelvin
and I'll tell you why I agree with the premise,
but maybe not the person.
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All right, Martin, you said you had a thought of
rebuttal to the conversation about David Mullagut of the agent
for Michael Parsons in this trade and Jerry Jones, and
the concept we were talking about was just maybe he
did get in the way, Maybe Micah and Jerry had
something and maybe the agent blew it.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I don't buy it, but you had a thought to
what I was saying.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Yeah, my thought comes from a quote from Michael Parsons.
A quote from Michael Parsons December nineteenth to twenty twenty four.
I don't need forty million per year, Parsons said in
the locker room on Thursday. Understand that, you know, me,
Chauncey and Osha might have to separate. That's devastating, being
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here for four years, building our relationships to where it's been,
it's devastating.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
You can't help but root for all of them though.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
You want to see everyone get paid and everyone get
the maximum of their value.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
But you know, he goes. We've all been really locked in.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
I've been trying to tell him where the sacks are,
where the one on one opportunities are, because I want
to see these guys have success and do things.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
That's what brotherhood is.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
And then we can vacations somewhere in the offseason after
they get paid. It's nice to be surrounded by good players,
players that are going to help you win championships. I
want to keep as many guys as possible. I want
to work with them as much as possible. Then he
goes on to say, I want to say that, you know,
having forty million dollars and being chipped every play and
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hit with two three four people. I don't think that
sounds too fun to me. So for me, it's about
people that can keep making a difference. That was Michael
Parsion's December nineteenth, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I don't know exactly when it was.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Probably the Cowboys had a couple more games after that,
but I know this, they were done playing by January
of twenty twenty five, and that was just eight months ago,
and so I don't understand what possibly could have changed here,
especially if Jerry was saying, listen, I'll give you the
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most guaranteed money of any defensive player in NFL history,
because that seems to me like a deal that matches
every side of things when you just kind of just
talk about it in general, the most guaranteed money without
looking at the terms, or just if you just said
that was the tag on the chefter tweet you've been
I think as a Michael Parsons would have been good
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with that at any point prior to that March meeting.
It seemed, or at least at least even after that
March meeting, according to Jerry Jones was good with it.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
He just finished talking.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I can't wait to see what Michael Parsons had to
say about the money today and what he had to
say about Dallas today, because to me, this sounds like
a guy who wanted to be a cowboy, and for
whatever reason they couldn't get those negotiations done. But this
is a guy who wanted to be a cowboy, and
Jerry wanted to give him the most defensive money that
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and most guaranteed money any defensive players got.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
But the ire of Micah was on who Jerry and
also the cowboys, and so his disdain was for them
over the last few weeks a couple of weeks so
my thing would be clearly, I meaning, if this was
something he really felt like my uh, David Bill got
it messed up. We'd be sitting here and maybe, hey,
you and I have had a chance to hear it,
so maybe said it. Not to my knowledge, we didna say, hey, man,
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I fired my agent. I got a new agent.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
So that is something he didn't say. This is what
he did.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
This is what I did here in between Robb g
annoying me about things over the week, and I was
trying to listen to some of this press conference because
you know, anyway, he did say he was asked if
he had talked to any of the cowboys since he
had left, and he said, I just talked to David.
So there was that was that was the only answer
to that question.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, so that's gang gang. They clicked up.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
And that's why I'm saying to me, this feels as
if michaeh, Yes, he might say some things kind of
giving us a little Wan solo vibe, like looking back
at my old boo talking about the cowboys in this case,
because I believe he wanted to be there. He said
it month a go. You just read some quotes we
heard him on his podcast. I don't think he ever
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wanted to leave. I think he again one of the
three people that could call Jerry on his personal line.
That's why you know who hurts you most, the people
you're closest to. And I think that's why he was
so hurt and took things so personally because he felt
like this started to go awry, this started to go left.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Why isn't Jerry, you know, take.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Care of me.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
He took care of Dak, took care of city, took
care of the guys when it comes to me, who
I again, he probably felt personally connected to why is
this not the case? And so I think that's why,
more than the David Mullagetta end of it. To me,
I just think somewhere along the line, the gambler gam
and maybe gamble with the emotions of Micah, and Micah
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had had enough and I told Rob g and Rob
Parker that this could happen, that this could finally be
the one that got away.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
And again maybe six months from now we're looking at it.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
They're all happy there Evervon Packer's happy, Michael's happy, Jerry's happy,
the cowboys have. Everybody moves on, But as of right now.
It's kind of like any relationship the ends. It's a
little rough, all right.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
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little bit. Former NFL quarterback, Fox Sports Radio NFL analysts,
What up said, man?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
How you doing?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Brother?
Speaker 8 (23:08):
Football is back. I can switch channels watch different games.
What a time to be alive.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Feels good for sure, and hey put a button on
this for now. Obviously it's the biggest story in sports
right now. Just your initial reaction mikeah gets traded to
the Packers just boom?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
What was Sean thinking when he heard that?
Speaker 8 (23:29):
We won't know who got the best of the trade
until down the line. I mean, getting two first round
picks is big. That means the Cowboys have four picks.
The money they didn't allocate the Parsons they can use
now to help supplement other areas on the roster, whether
it be retaining key components now or adding in free agency.
So I'm not completely down on it from the Dallas
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side simply because if they give parts the money, I
still don't know anybody that thinks Dallas is a super
Bowl team this year.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
I think that's kind of what it's kind of bothered
me about the national conversation, Sean. It's everybody's making fun
of jars are getting fleece in this trade. But I
also think if Jerry had signed Michael Parsons put five
million over any other defensive player that we've seen in
the NFL right now, everybody will be on TV saying
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you got the highest pay quarterback by a mile, highest
paid defensive player by a mile, and you missed the
playoffs last year. And when you made the playoffs, to
Jerry's point, you could to stop the run against the Packers,
and in this group Packers and forty nine ers in
that stretch, I feel like Jerry's catching.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It from both sides in the way that's a little unfair.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
Yeah, I think it's the narrative on him what it
has been. I'm a guy that thinks press is productive,
but I don't think he's as impactful as he was
early in his career. I don't think he's a football
first guy. I think there are a lot of other
things in his life that are just as big a poverty.
So I'm not upset with j getting two ones and
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a Pro Bowl defensive tackle at Kenny Clark. I mean,
long term for Dallas, this may end up being a
super blessing. On the Green Bay side, it still all
comes down to who and what is Jordan Love. I mean,
two years ago, Jordan Love looked like Aaron Parent, Aaron Rodgers.
He's ready to take the metal. Continue that lineage of
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excellent quarterback play at Green Bay took a huge step
back last year, hesitant, you know, not really willing to
throw the ball with velocity down the field. So regardless
of what they do defensively, Jordan Love has to go
back to looking like the guy from two years ago.
So we'll see if it works out for them. But
it was a move they felt like they had to make.
We'll find out. I'm not with the national narrative that
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this was a terrible decision by Jerry at on any front.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
He is Sean King, former NFL quarterback, Fox Sports Radio
NFL analysts.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
All right, Sean, let's go to We have a got
do you know what.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
We ain't talked about this in a couple of days
because of how big this has been, but I want
to go up to Cleveland. We've been having a conversation
about there with the quarterbacks. You've played the position, you
know it, you've coached it. How do you go into
that quarterback room and say how do you feel about it?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Now?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
With Flaco one, we got Dylan Gabriels two, and then
should do at three? And if you're maybe a personal
coach to Shador, what are you coaching them up?
Speaker 3 (26:20):
What are you saying?
Speaker 8 (26:22):
Just be ready? You know, don't give an your feelings,
don't get emotional. A lot of times when things don't
go your way. As an athlete, how you handle it
determines how successful you are moving forward. I don't think
Cleveland mishandled the competition. We thought coming in that Joe
Flacco probably would be the starter. Kenny Pickett, whether inconsistency,
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in practice or injury, didn't do enough for them to
say he's our future, so they traded him. Now you
got two young guys, and if we're being honest and
you take all the extras out of it and just
evaluate the tape, it's a pretty close competition between Gabriel
and should Do. In the preseason. Gabriel, he probably didn't
play as well, said do it the first time. He
played better than should Do. At the same time, he
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was the highest draft pick. Whether you agree with it
or disagree with it. You know, RG three made a
post the other they talking about how it is unfair.
I had responded to him post, like they give Kirk
Cousins an equal opportunity to compete with you, weren't y'all
both drafted in the same draft, Like the guy who
gets drafted earlier. Regardless of the position generally gets the
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benefit of the doubt, rep opportunities. All of that stuff
doesn't mean that long Talm should do. It won't be
the starting quarterback. It'll just be how he handles this.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Sean, I know you're all over football in general, especially
since your flipping channels today. They're not watching pros hit
each other. You're watching the kids hit each other. And
we'll see a highly anticipated kid playing kids, not college debut,
but it feels like it almost as an unquestioned starter,
with arch Manning the kid really making his college football.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
They view Julian saying, on the other side.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Of the quarterback side for Ohio State and Texas, what
do you to see in the shoe on Saturday?
Speaker 8 (28:03):
I am going with a completely blank campus. And I
think one of the biggest issues with the football narrative
on our big platforms is how in the hell could
or respect to the valuator to have arch Manning as
the number one pick in there Mott Draft next year.
I'm saying he won't not saying he won't play himself
into that position, but he hadn't played enough. Like I'm
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really giving arch a fair shot. I'm looking at arts
the same way I'm looking at Julian saying I'm not
going to annoy him the Heisman winner. If they play well,
I'm not gonna say they're a bus if they don't.
It's the collective. It's all of the plays, all of
the games that determine the evaluation. Tough environment, I'm sure
the horseshoe will be rocking. Sayans under a lot of pressure.
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Arch is under a lot of pressure. I think the
one thing I would like to stay in the forefront
of is Arch. Manning is not Eli or Payton in
any way shape, form of fashion. He's more like a Josh.
He's a bigger body, jumbo athlete. He can extend plays
with his legs. He can run for yardage, he can
throw the full out. He's a different talent than his
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two uncles. So it's gonna be fascinating to watch him
pulling for the kid Ohio State, different oc different quarterback.
We'll see. I'm really taking a wait and see approach
on this game because I want to be fair to
both of them.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Let me ask you this, Sean, I want to stay
in college football, but not so much the ex's and
o's on the field.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
You've got Dion Sanders, coach Prime, talking about he's come
up with an idea away for college football players and
college playoffs to help as far as getting the money,
but the way in which they do it. He was saying,
pay them more when their team wins. And if you
do that, he said, quote, that's gonna be a quality.
Now it's even and every player is making the same
amount of money. He was talking about doing. How kind
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of NFL does with the playoff style bonuses. You got
Nick Saban talking about in ways they need to fix
this as well. Daniel and people are begging him to
be the commissioner. But do you think it's a broken
system right now? Nil transperportal? If you do, how do
you fix it? If you don't, then tell me why
you like it.
Speaker 8 (30:10):
It's absolutely broken. But I don't want to hear it
from Don. I respect everything Don's done in the game
of football, but if you didn't say it when Shador
and Tavis Hunter was making all that money, don't say
it now that they're gone. I don't want to hear
from him. But it's an easy fix. First of all,
high school kids shouldn't be eligible for NIL at his core.
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Nil means name image likeness. A high school recruit has
not done anything at the university yet, so they haven't
profited or benefited from his name image likeness at all.
So that's the first thing. Take it out off the
high school kids fragonally. If you transfer, you're not allowed
to get NIL at the school you go to. It's
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very easy. I don't think you put a chap on it,
but force gods, force gods, okay, or teams that develop
and evaluate well, don't punish them because they don't have
as big a budget as some of their competitors. Everybody.
Everybody talks about everybody talks about arch Manning. You know,
they don't say about arch Manning. Arch Manning backed up
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quinn Ewan for two years. The rect of these kids
that they get bent for one game they leave like,
it's a lot to be said about how arch and
his family have handled this situation.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I completely get you on that, and I've been saying that.
Rob Gi knows, I've said this. One of the things
that's been what I don't like about the transport, and
you know this and Mark everybody's had to push through
and persevere. Is where it gets tough, right, Like, if
it ain't great, you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Have to just leave if it ain't going your way.
You know, that's sometimes in life.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
You got to push through and you got to make
something happen, and that'll be part of your storyline for sure.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Uh Mar, you got.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Let me.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
I also want to I also want the people that
are listening to understand they're all still on full scholarship.
So the amount of NIL is all just extra. It
doesn't They still don't pay for a thing. So all
these people in this country that are working their butt
off to have student loans that's still trying to pay back.
Now it's not applicable to any full scholarship athlete. So
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I'm not against, you know, putting some kind of cap
on the conference or making it a salary cap for
the teams in that conference. So you got to make decisions.
But I just don't like the fact that and I'll
use two lane because that's why I went. I don't
like the fact that they can evaluate well out of
high school. Get a Darien Minza, bring him the two lane,
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develop him, be able to give him seven hundred and
fifty thousand dollars a year in nil and Duke can
swoop in and give him two years eight million because
they had the same chance to saying come, I mean
for mensa coming out of high school. So like, I
just think that's the part of it that's unfair overall.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
I actually really think that's oppression point.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Like South Alabama's quarterback from last year is not going
to starting the ACC. I think they'd rather have him
than you know what I mean, Like that's who they
that's the reason why they went and drafted or up
drafted him, but recruited him and got him and now
he's gonna be starting.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
For Bill Belichick. Joe Opus.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
I think that's a really good point, Sean, and speak
up for the little guy every so often, like the
two lanes and and and so on. So I respected
a ton shot.
Speaker 8 (33:22):
They still they're still on full scholarship. That's why I
think if you put in the portal, if you transfer,
you're not eligible for n I L. It'll cut down
some of this unnecessary movement.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
All right, Well, hey, Sean man, that's a great idea. Brother,
Maybe they're listening. We appreciate you, Sean King. We'll do
it again, and.
Speaker 8 (33:38):
Football's back, all right, guys, enjoy yourself.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
No doubt real Sean Kig on the Socials, make sure
you give him a follow.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
There.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
We we were just talking a little bit about Shador.
How did we get to where we got to with Shador?
And now the right decision has been made?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Were we duked? Martin?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And I will tell you it is the odd couple
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all right. So ken Ward, number one pick Tennessee Tights quarterback,
obviously has a good relationship with Shador. They trained throughout
the summer and out. Here's something he had to say
(34:58):
recently about he and should I.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Don't have a rivalry rhythm. That's my boy.
Speaker 9 (35:03):
So at the end of the day, this whole process,
we thought me and him were gonna be one to
two the whole time, whether he's one, two worn one
he's two. So that's just always been, you know, our mindset.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
It didn't go that way. I thought he's one of.
Speaker 9 (35:14):
The better quarterbacks in the draft as well, even throughout college.
A lot of stuff out there all him ain't really
you know the truth, just because they spend it different ways,
like they spend stuff about me different ways. But I
mean when when he gets his chance become a starter,
I know he's gonna make the most of it. And
all ready to get back to work with him, you
know after the season, you know, talk some more stuff
to him, you know, say some crazy stuff.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
I mean, we just go keep on pushing each other.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Because you know, Calvin, you remember watching cam warden should
Door working out like summers were summers prior to this,
and there was like an element of trash talk and
all this, but I kind of a healthy respect type
of thing. I just wonder, Calvin, is cam Ward the
only person who remembers this time a year ago.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Because it seems like the idea that.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
People are upset that people are covering Shador Sanders and
and like as Vihetma Lely as they are right now
is laughable to me because consensus he was a top two,
top five quarterback in the class. The idea that he
was a fifth round pick is absolutely news. For a
(36:21):
long time, and I mean a long time, like up
into the draft, they were debating is cam Moore better
than Shador Sanders?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Like is it right?
Speaker 5 (36:29):
There is like kind of there were one and two
neck and neck the entirety of the time until draft day.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
That is a story, all right. I went to Jay
school just like you did.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
You know, it's not a story when a dog bites
a man, when a man bites a dog.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
That's a story because something everybody was wrong.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
And so yeah, that's exactly why everybody is locked into
whether or not should your dance. Shador Sanders is going
to actually get an opportunity to play because everybody wants
to know just who was wrong? Was it all the
mock drafters who, to Shaun King's point, have arch manning
atop the thing right now? We'll touch on that at
(37:09):
the bottom of the next hour, But like, is it
the mock drafters?
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Is it the NFL?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Kelvin.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
You will you do the morning news if the weather
man says it's gonna be eighty five degrees in sunny
and it's a tornado in southern California, whose fault is it?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Is it God who made the weather? It's the weather man. Listen.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
What you're not gonna do is make it like I'm
crazy and I'm not talking to you because I'm one
thousand percent with you, and Rob g knows this and
I would scream this at the Rob Parker we were
talking about there was a shot that they could have
two top ten picks in Travis Hunter baby in Colorado
and also Shadure And yes, Shaduor was not playing sec
talent every week, he wasn't playing Big ten talent every
(37:52):
single week. But that was the consensus that he would
be right up there, one of the first one to
two quarterbacks taken, and all of a sudden, that switched up.
And that's why people were invested in the story, and
people had the right to be dumbfounded. And we have
had analysts, we've had scouts, We've had everyone say, well,
I ain't really feel right, and if all of a
sudden in a week or two because some bad interviews
(38:12):
allegedly that changes, that is absolutely worth being confused and
want and a half conversations about. So I have problems
all those drafts.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
We're going to make this a big story moving forward.
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