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So we'll talk with him. And one's got to go
as well.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I remember when uh, Pat some are All because Pat
Somemeroll was was the guy and I just forgot his name.
Oh my god, before John Madden, but Pat somemre All,
and man, why am I forgetting his name? But those
guys would no, it was why am I forgetting Pat
(02:23):
some are All?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And I had to look it up.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
But they were the standard on CBS. They were doing
the game and then Madden replaced him, but it was
it was another guy.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Can you look that up for me? I'm sorry, Pat
Somemarol's first uh my, guess it was a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Because it wasn't Pat, Pat somer All was a kicker,
but I can't.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I don't know why. I'm like tripping out all right.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Anyway, But yeah, they were the guys that went out
of doubt, all right, So we'll I.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Don't know why you thought I would know the answer.
Look it up.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Just look up pet Partner on CBS, that's all. And
I'm sure I don't know, but I don't know why
I can't remember, Like.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It's so mad.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
When he says, whoever he's about to say he paired
with Jack Buck and Ray Scott, it says.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Let's not what it is. But anyway, let's go. I'll
look it up.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Yeah, Well, you and I have been talking about baseball
right now and just how we getting winded down the season,
and and somebody did something yesterday, man that I think
we have just kind of taken for granted. Uh, it's
what we had thought might happen a year and a
half ago when this person was signed with the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
That is show hey, old Tony.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
And before you get to water it down and shout
out to Aaron Judge, MLB Bros.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Golden Goose because he just hit a three run home
run and.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
You and I were sitting here and we argue about him,
and we argue about show.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Hey, well, dang get both of them are great. But
one of the things I.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Need you to do, tom Brookshire, it would have been
it would have been like Aaron Judge up bottom of
the ninth three on.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You would have just not been able to focus if
you didn't get that. You got it.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Now, can I talk about how great he is? You
ready to use this? I'm not taking for granted, but
go ahead.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
No.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
The question is the point is you know how we
get something and it's been hyped up. It could be
a movie, it could be an appliance, so new iPhone this,
it could be something where it's so hyped up and
usually doesn't live up to it.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Usually you're like, man, what the movie is like? All right? Man?
The new Shoes were cool. Man.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
His album was I Oh, Tani has been that? Yeah,
Otani has been that for the Dodgers man. And the
question was, okay, we knew fifty to fifty last year,
fifty stolen bases, fifty home runs, plus we knew what
he was able to do, And the question was what
would he look like when he starts pitching?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And dang it, he has looked really good. He's been out.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
He has fourteen appearances and his most recent one six
shutout innings yesterday, looks Beck Tayler. No, because the bullpen
is on that bull. Okay, the bullpen is on that
bull right now. But he looked remarkable. And here we
are again, rob where when you look at what show
he's able to do, Man, it has been incredible. He's
(05:06):
got fifty three home runs. He here he is with
ninety nine RBIs. He'll get to triple digits here in
the next game or so. Yeah, one thirty last year,
but he's gonna probably end up like one hundred and
three four five. And he has been better than advertised
when you talk about what he has been on the field,
What do you need me to You want me to
hit second, You want me to lead off? And he's
(05:27):
gonna be the first pitcher to lead off once he
does this in the postseason and pitch since Babe Bruth
did it. But Babe Ruth actually was in the he
think he bad at fifth. They said it was back then,
but point is will be one hundred years since somebody
bat that high in the order. So I just was
watching him yesterday like this is what you thought you
were gonna get when we all heard about him. This
(05:48):
is what we thought we were gonna get when Otani
was getting the seven hundred and something million dollars. He's
been better than advertised. He's been great for them. They
win a World Series, and I just thought it was remarkable.
And sometimes in sports, sometimes in life, we gotta kind
of tip your cat tore, like, man, this is what
I this is what they said it would be, and
it's better than that. And O TODDI, now that he's
(06:08):
fully pitching, could have did a complete game a couple
of times if they wanted him to. This slow role
has kind of worked out for the Dodgers, been one
of the better things they've had over the last couple
of months because they've been on the struggle bus. But
it's gonna be great to see what they how they
utilize him rob in the postseason, because there's obviously a
lot of rules. Right, well, if you start them, then
he has to do this, but he can only have
to come out.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
He had to play it.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
He might have to start, and then he might have
to play center field if he's gonna stay in the game,
And well, yeah, he.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Would have yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
So it's how they don't think they could you lose
your DH I think if he right, right, so, if
he could, if he comes out of the game.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
That's why he's gonna say. Yeah, it gets complimated all
the rules. So it'll be interesting how Dave robertson the
team uses utilizes him.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
But I was watching him last night, man, like.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
This dude is insane, pitching at this high level, hitting
fifty plus back to back and doing it in the
brightest lights of Los Angeles. I had no choice but
to tip my cat to him. We're seeing some remarkable
stuff right now with a handful of baseball players and
him being right there at the top of this.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, now for him, fair or not. The Dodgers success,
it's about the Dodgers postseason success. That's really what it is.
Can you remember because that this team was put together,
they spent a billion dollars in the offseason. I'm being
uh over dramatic, but you know what I mean. It
went out Yamamoto, uh Tanner Scott, I mean they spent
(07:30):
right now. No, I know he's brutal, he's been brutal,
but you get my point. They went out and they
spent money and I said it before. I've said this
one MLB network, and I'll keep using the line. They
were supposed to be the Beatles and wind up being
boy George and Culture Club like.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
That's good but not but not that boy George had
a few hits. No, no, boy George was good. Yeah,
but not he won the Beatles. You know what I'll
never forget.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Joan Rivers was filling in one night for Johnny Carson
and boy George was her guest.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Speaking of boy George.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And Joan in her own way, and I thought it
was epic. She said, if you were stranded on a
desert island, right, would you want a guy or a girl.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
To be stranded with you? Boy George looked at her
and said both that looks like answer. All right, jo.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Took that took a turn. I didn't no, no, no, no, no, no,
I say it. But but boy George was looked more.
He was looking like a grown man George at the end.
He was no, but he was a good singer.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
That was that.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
That whole thing was cool for the eighties. It was common.
That was a bit I mean, sorry, okay, but.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Anyway, are you just but are you willing to look
into our YouTube camera and admit that's best player in baseball.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
That's all the people want. No, I can't do it.
I can't do it. This man just wait six shutout Anis.
I can't do it.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And you know what, he would have been able to
do it at least four or five complete games if
the Dodgers weren't slow men.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I still think that he is the best player. Get it.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
The only reason because Otani is not the best hitter
and he's not the best picture.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Sink by it by themselves.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So when you put him together, I understand why why
everybody says he's the best players you get to. I
get it because he's really good at both. But he's
not the best picture in baseball and he's not the
best hitter. I still would take Aaron Judge on your.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Spirit just left your body and your spirit is looking
at you like who's better? I would take you.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I would take Aaron Judge just hitting, forget about the pitching.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Who would you take I'll give you.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I'm okay with that, but that listen, jealousy. You're a
baseball fan. I'm just hitting, But he don't just hits?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Can you just hit it?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Aaron Judge of old Tani. Now I know you work
for the Dodgers. I want you to just pull back
that Dodger blue form.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Just hitting, yeah, just hitting. Okay, fine, yeah, all right, Aaron, Okay,
that's all I'm saying. That ain't that's that's that's not
what he does. Hold on, watch this.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
You keep talking about he's not the best hitter, he's
not the best picture. Well, peanut butter in it of
himself and jelly and of himself ain't the best. But
Daggie with peanut butter and jelly get together, it's the
greatest thing on earth. Damn.
Speaker 8 (10:24):
That is.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Elijah. I need that.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
He is the peanut butter, jelly and sports Daggie.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
When you slap them together.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
Good.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
But the only problem is, Aaron Judge, is the milk
that you need to wash it down. And nobody wants milk,
but you let me phrase that.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Nobody over ten wants milk, but you no milk with
peanut butter.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I don't need milk with peanut butter and jelly. Rob
you want somebody rub your belly and puts you asleep too.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
With peanut butter and jelly over two, come on, no
milk with Peter butter and jelly sandwich.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
No, you need milk. You need milk, Peanut butter. No
milk is stopped.
Speaker 8 (11:06):
You start excluding Alex from these questions, no matter what
Rob says, always on Robin.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Just we just you gotta have milk to wash it down.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
You need, Robin say something healthy like seamoss is the
worst thing ever Alex.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
But hey, I drew the line.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Is where I draw the line, Rob Rob Okay, all right,
one more time, just to make sure I'm not crazy.
So she sho Hal Tony is not the best player
in baseball.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
When you put both things together. I know it's hard. Now,
that's what he does.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
You do know that's what made Barry Bonds great, right,
It was that he was amazing on both sides of
the ball. You do know Willie Mays was a out
there looking like a wide receiver in the c in
center field.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Dang it.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
You do know Aaron Judge is still gonna be mL
MLB bros Golden goose. Right, it's okay, we're already getting
he won't own you MLB bro playing the Yeah, we
got it.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
We just we just keep mass producing. Though. When we
found out show Hal Tony had like eight percent black
in him. Then we've started comforting him. Are you kidding?
Canny didn't be the best player Toddy.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Then ancestry dot Com found he got seven percent black, and.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
That would be something crying, that would be the best.
Come on, man, just get to him. What do you
want me to say?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I just want that is the best player in baseball?
Aaron Judges right there, he's second, and there's that. There's
no problem. He's second to a unicorn. That's that's a compliment.
That's like at the end of the day, if he
Lebron James is the second best player, Okay, when I'm
second to Jordan, fine, Like what do you what.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Do you want from me? When you put him together,
it's hard to argue. I'm not gonna sit here and
as while they go together.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
But you know you love your baked chicken with your
sugar free barbecue sauce. That show hal Tani, your baked chicken,
sugar free barbecue sauce.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Slap them boys together. Look at you smashing right now?
What are we doing here?
Speaker 8 (13:05):
She just gave up on the conversation, like I don't
want to do this anymore.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Because he finally got to see how tiny pitts. Remember
the beginning season, it was only one inning. It was
he can't be I said that when he's not pitching.
I know I'm pitching. He's gonna put up pitch like
h eight scoreless innings in the postseason, hit two home runs.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You're still over there.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
Sixteen to two thirds scoreless in each streak e r
a of point four to six in the last first time.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Come on, roight, what do you want me to say?
Rob g what are we doing? I don't even understand
he's the best.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Just admitted we were supposed to pose the question to
the people, but at this doing giving up?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Age seven seven ninety nine on Fox? Have we taken
show hal Tani for granted baseball? Have we have we
taken in show hailed Tony for grant? Is he the
best player in baseball?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
If not? Who is to you? If you really?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I'm just saying, if not, If he is, call up,
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Speaker 2 (16:15):
Shout at everybody on YouTube.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Rob, you want to give us a few comments on
the youtubians and the uh the odd mob.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
Yeah, some of these are straight up offensive. I don't
know if I should be reading them on the air.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Duke Kelvin like, yeah, I figured I know how people.
I knew he was gonna say that. Yeah, but here
are the ones I can read. Oh god, I didn't
know there was.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
Courtney Miller says, oh Tani's trash hit his home run
off a D League picture, So.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
I'm sorry he had fifty three even I don't know
what that means. Uh, here's a good one.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
DC says, I think Rob was about to say Babe
Ruth was actually black before he cut his mic off.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
How do you know that does well?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
You know like that? That's wow? That that's kind of
like the story out the four folklore, Yeah, folklore. Nobody
has it, but you know, remember he was dropped off
at an orphan so there was like that he was
a mixed race baby, and and that's why he was annoyed.
Speaker 8 (17:10):
There's a lot of pictures and some you know, and
then here's another one. This cannot be proven or denied, but.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
It's and baby Bruce's real name is Leroy. I think
Ruth they just babe is a nickname.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
God. Uh, this.
Speaker 8 (17:25):
Says, no tany's on the juice. To the juice is
legal now, just like a pack of snuff, put it
under your tongue. What I don't know about that? And
those are the ones I can read. You can imagine
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Speaker 2 (17:37):
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Speaker 8 (17:41):
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Speaker 5 (17:44):
They took it to another and we should update you
really quickly some of these games.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
So the Tigers are trailing two to one, but they're threatening.
They are right they were. The Yankees are up five
to one.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Now we talked about the judge three run bombs five
to one, and we believe the.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Cubs just scored. Maybe they did not. What do you
think it's gonna stand? He was called safe. It's gonna stand.
Thank God for dirt because there was too much dirt.
We got him.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
He's out.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
He got him. So it looks like the Mets got
out of it. Look Like I thought he's in real time.
You saw him go out. I thought he got him
in real time, and then they called him, called him.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Safe, and we play. Looks like they got him.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So a lot of games, and the Reds are losing
again to the Pirates at home and it's the seventh inning.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Now is Skiing's out? I think Skeens he is us
He's out, So it's a big game for the round?
Why Rod, why can't what?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I know you've been coming his leagues in nineteen twenty seven,
But why did he say? Why can't they? Why can't
they just let like? What if this is obviously a
big game, why can't Skeens go the full?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
He can't?
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Not that he can't ability I'm not questioning, I'm saying why, Like,
are we ever gonna go back to?
Speaker 7 (18:53):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
You know what a Skipper saying? Dang it, I'm putting
it all on you filling the blank school bull.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I'm going on, Well, we saw Hunter Green his last
You had a complete game.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I think you only give up one hit in that
whole game, and he pitched the whole game. That used
to be like commonplaces told this.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Dwight Good in his nineteen eighty five when he was
twenty four and four sixteen, complete game one six.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
That would never people get sixteen their whole career. Maybe
so they chance it they did. You got to turn it. Yeah,
Good that was a great, great throw. But yeah, I'm
always like, man, why can't if somebody's willing and Dylan,
why are they so quick?
Speaker 7 (19:28):
All right?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Hey, I know this is our order. I mean, this
is next every not and again you know what, don't
get heal on fire.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
So let me ask you this real quick about the Dodgers,
and we're talking about Otani. Just the feel around them,
and obviously you do a lot of Dodgers just their
Saturday yep, and I just there's a there's a funny
vibe to them, like this is not last year was
was different, even though they added all these new pieces
and whatnot. And then you know, Dave Robert yesterday said
(19:56):
the bullpen is scared. That's a weird that's a we
had word.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
That's a word you usually absolutely try to avoid it
all costs and sports, right because you can say a
lot right now. They're struggling right now. You know, they're challenged.
You can say a lot right now, they're losing their
stuff right now. But scared as something, Oh because people
because players men take that personally like all right, they're struggling.
You know it's interesting. I was when I was on
(20:21):
the uh doing p pre and post I was up
there with Jerry Harrison Junior, Nomarkarcia a part and they
brought up the idea of that, right, yeah, they brought
up the idea that they're gonna do it for curse.
Now they at that point, it was like two days
prior that he had announced that he was going to
retire at the end of the season, and they were
doing one of those is gonna do it for this
and we'll see if it's either that or the opposite.
(20:42):
But maybe that would be a rallying cry. But they're
struggling right now at bullpen. But for Dave Robinson to
say scared, somebody's supposed to say, oh, we ain't scared,
don't be scared.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
We're not scared. Don't be scared.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Because for your skipper to say that, that is like, oh,
that says a lot right now? Why where they are
rich bodots can getting ready to join us after Monci
gives a what's trending, Hey much?
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Speaker 2 (21:25):
Rich. Appreciate you taking some time with us.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
Man, Hey, great to be with you.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Guys, absolutely appreciate it. We'll start there.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
We just how great that tandem is and how they
did change the game of broadcasting.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
They absolutely did. There's been nobody liked them before them.
They were put together in nineteen eighty one, almost by accident.
They were together twenty one years. Madden won sixteen Emmys
and was unbelievable. Nobody liked them during those twenty one years,
and nobody has come close since. So I worked with
(22:02):
them at CBS Sports. I knew Matt even before he
came to broadcasting. I used to cover the Dolphins in
the seventies and I knew what unusual guy he was.
It turned out that summer All was quite an unusual
guy too. And even though they were friendly, but they
were not friends. Away from the red light, they went
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their separate ways. But boy were they great. When that
red light was on. It was like peanut butter and
jelly meeting for the first time.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So wait a minute, So which is was it?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Why do you think they didn't have a relationship outside
of broadcasting, especially with the football. Pat Sumroll was a
former NFL player, You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Like, I'm surprised that they didn't see what.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
Was they got.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
No, I'm just saying, like outside, I'm not saying that
there was a that a beef, but it's just weird
that they didn't have a relation.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Tom row had a relationship prior with Tom Brookshire. They
worked together for six and a half years.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Now, That's why I remember as a kid Brookshire.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Right, They started drinking Margarita's two days before they got
to the event, and they never stopped. And that was
the problem. They were great and had too much fun
on the air and off the air, and some of
the stories got back to the home office and the
new president in nineteen eighty decided to split them up,
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and he said he wanted John Matten to be his analyst,
and he was in favor of Vin Scully to be
the play by play guy, and he got out voted.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
How about Tom Brady's now broadcasting for Fox and now
a part owner. I'm just curious about John Madden was
a great young coach who gave up coaching and got
into broadcast and became a great broadcaster.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
But Tom Brady's trying to do both.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
People look at it and say it's a conflict of
interest because you're a broadcast you get to go in
and talk to players and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Where are you on this?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Can he effectively be a fair, honest broadcaster and be
a part owner and have access on both levels?
Speaker 7 (24:16):
You know, let me just back up a second and say,
what you're talking about. These production meetings where the announcers
and the producer and director go in and talk to
the coaches and the star players and find out what
the strategies are for the game and the inside stories
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about the players. That all started with Madden and summer
Ale and their producer Terry O'Neal in nineteen eighty one.
Nobody ever did that before. They would just go in
to town, meet with the pr guys, get the three
deep roster, find out who was injured, then they go
out and have the margaritas. Bad really started all that,
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And after he got they did those meetings and and
they had a production meeting in the back of the
hotel for the crew Madden and Terry O'Neill drew up
a whiteboard and showed them film and the cameraman knew
what plays were coming. I mean, if you were going
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to have a test and the questions ahead of time,
you do better too. Well that changed everything. Now everybody
does it, and as you said, Brady wanted to do
it also. At first the NFL said that's not okay
because you are a part owner. Then they relented. I
guess too many owners said he's good for the game.
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I don't. I don't get it, don't. I don't think
it's fair. Even though Brady was one of the first
people to recommend my book, I still have to say,
I I don't see where it's really fair to the
other team.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I love your honesty, I love your honesty.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Tom Brady's a certified cheater too in his history. I'm
just saying I didn't say you said that, Rich, but
I'm just saying, like he was suspended four games.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
You remember that for the Flakegate and all that. Okay,
I'm just saying, yeah, I think Rich. I do have
one criticism of John Mann, and I'll wait out. Definitely
go ahead. Now you can't bring it up now a
rich I did think.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
The one thing I did not like and he was fantastic.
He was not very critical of coaching. Every coach was
great like that coach is sometimes it'd be a terrible
game where to wonder about the game plan And the
only thing that he used to criticize and bang on
were always the officials, like, not players, not coaches. Am
(26:40):
I being unfair? And I've watched every game and listened,
But he really wasn't critical of players or coaches.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
That's a fair point. You know, Nobody ever brought that
up to me before.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I'm that kind of reporter.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I'm just want you to know, Rich and I you
know I I've been covering the NFL since nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
Ridge, Well, listen, listen. John was an unbelievably unusual guy.
He had this insane appetite for knowing things about people.
He had this ability when he would meet with the
players to get their mannerisms, their slang, all these little
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knickknacked things about them, tell the stories. And then while
he was telling those stories, he could coach both teams
on the field better than they were being coached by
their own coaches. He was America's Nutty professor, and when
he got the CBS chalkboard and he could show all
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twenty two players at the same time, he had a
ball with that, and America really loved him for it.
Number Sembrall was a renaissance guy. He was the first
guy to go from the field to the broadcast book
to play by play. And he gave himself up when
he would prepare with Madden, to give Madden enough room
(28:10):
the beach on Madden and have it sound effects and
tell his stories. Otherwise they would not have been nearly
as great as they were. When summer All died, Madden
said at the funeral, there were great voices before Pat
summer All. There'll be great voices after Pat. But Pats
was the voice of the NFL.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Well out there, we hear so many highlights now and
I just hear his voice. You just hear right there.
Rich Pondowski is our guests. The have the new book.
It's titled Madden in Some are all how they revolutionize
NFL broadcasting. It's in stores now and a couple other
things for us. Rich, I'm looking at this. You know,
Madden didn't start off so great. It was almost fired.
The early portions of this. So how does that work?
(28:53):
You know, when we're looking at broadcasters, they're coming from,
as you mentioned, playing or coaching. How do you kind
of know when to give someone grace where let him
grow into this. Maybe they'll get better.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
Every once in a while. I mean, somebody is so
good doing interviews, you know after a game or you know,
during the week. Brady was pretty damn good at it.
He was clipped. Don Shull was great at it, and
he never went into broadcasting. I covered Schule and that's
why I brought him up. But Madden. Madden didn't know
(29:27):
what he wanted to do. He quit after ten years
because of bleeding ulcers. He was only forty two years old.
And the CBS came to him and made him an
offer four or five games that first year in nineteen
seventy nine, and he said to the agent, Parry Frank,
He said, Barry, I don't know if I want to
do it now. Maybe in a few years. And Barry said,
(29:49):
you know, John, in a few years they might not
want you. And he thought about that and he said, yeah,
there'll be other coaches then, and there were the other
star players. I'll do it now, and he said, I
got nothing to lose, So that first year nobody gat
him any help. He had games that none of the
one back to New York. They gave him a different
(30:11):
play by play guy, a different producer, a different director
all those games that he did that first season, and
he couldn't get a rhythm. And he knew from watching
his own tapes that he had to cut down on
the stories, but he still had to learn how to
do it. And it wasn't until the middle of the
second season, when they paired him with Gary Bender, that
(30:33):
he started to get it. But at the end of
that first season, there are a lot of executives at
CBS that said, there's nothing special about this guy, and
we could let him go. And then he did something
at a pre Super Bowl lunch that had everyone in stitches,
five hundred people in the ballroom of the Beverly Wilshire Hotel.
(30:57):
He started telling stories on the day is there and
he had Pete Roselle cracked up. The entire audience was
in the palm of his hands, and the CBS executives
came to the conclusion, he's just not another ex coach
that wants to be a broadcaster, And they now saw
him for what he could be.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Wow, what a great story.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
One last one, real quick to tell me the story
or the legend at least, is that the way he
got on Madden is that these guys waited outside the.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Entrance from where he comes in for.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
A Raiders games and we're like, we're trying to develop
this video game or whatever, and you know what I mean,
we want to put your name on it or something,
and he exchanges car And that's really how Madden got on.
This got on his video. But he talked to some
guys standing outside. Did you ever hear that story?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Rich? Is that how it went down?
Speaker 7 (31:51):
I did the part of the story that that sounds accurate,
that's crazy. Every story that I know is he invited
the guy to come on the train with him. He
was taking the train then, and to show him what
he had. So he showed him a mock up and
it was seven on seven and then said, well, wait,
(32:14):
wait a minute, where's the lineman? Why this is all
I got? He said, well, I was enough offensive lineman
and I'm not going to put my name on any game.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Wow, that I did not hear. And that's a great
story right there.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
You know, And real quick Uh. The Miller like commercials.
First offered to Hal Davis, Uh, the owner of the Raiders,
and Al said, you're using a bunch of retired guys
for your commercials. John just retired. Want you offer it
to him? He'd be much better than me.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
So they offer it to John and and John at
the dinner table with his two sons and his wife says,
I don't know if I want to do that. I
don't even like beer that much. And his wife said,
what the heck else do you have to do?
Speaker 9 (33:04):
You?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Hey, I'll tell you what. Congrats on the book. Good
luck with the book. Rich Podolski, thank you. So also
turned down to George Forman grill. No, I'm just kidding.
Whatever the forest gup?
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Speaker 4 (34:07):
Baseball, all right, So let's get to us. One's gotta go.
Speaker 9 (34:11):
Five crowd is that when I'm funny even number figure
it out?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
All right?
Speaker 4 (34:19):
So we know all the stuff that happened over the
last week or so with Jimmy kel when they got
me thinking, Rob and everybody else was like, man, let's
do it. Ones gotta go Late night host Edition Easy
I left the I left a couple. Johnny Carson's out
because he's just to go. So that was too, like
nobody gonna kick Johnny out. He's the Goa's Johnny's over here,
So we'm gonna put Johnny over here with a great
And I didn't want to go to new school with
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the the the Coberts and the Jimmy Campbell, said Deb
Cartion of Johnny. Johnny john keep it, keep you right, Johnny,
So I said I'm gonna go a little bit more
the middle of that pack. So we're gonna go. Here's
your list. This is easy, Alex, I ain't even started
our Senior Hall, Conan O'Brien, David Letterman, Jay Leno, one's
(35:04):
gotta go.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
What our Cineo Hall, Jay Leno? Now you know what
sidneyl listens to our show? David letter he does? Actually
he does? He does?
Speaker 7 (35:14):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Conan O'Brien, David Letterman, jaylen Our, Citio Hall. Anyone like
to go first?
Speaker 2 (35:19):
This is easy, This is easy. Are you just are
you robbing me? Or you really? Actually? Okay? Who? I'm real?
Robbin r R?
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Who's going? Conan O'Brien didn't care for it. Caught a
couple of little skits and clips, and I was just like,
you're just trying to be like everybody else.
Speaker 9 (35:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
He reminds me off. He's the key appeal to Dave Chappelle.
That's actually, you know what, that's not crazy.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
I'm I'm gonna tell you why that might have been
your best ones.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Gotta go. I'm gonna tell you why.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I'm gonna say, Jay Leno, okay, because when I was
sleep at night, you know, watching Late Night.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Oh body, this is sorry stupid.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
He was so big and used to Rob that almost
died falling down a hill. He said he was falling.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Hey, j Jay been going through a lot of cars
and blowing up and fires. You know his chip, he
had the moon But remember McDonald's at the mact night he.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Rubbed my feet at the bottom of the bed. What
I'm watching?
Speaker 5 (36:25):
So Jay, Leno's out for you? All right about knocked
out as this lady is watching her tigers? Who you got, Manzi?
Speaker 3 (36:32):
All of them?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I don't watch a lot of Late Night, That's why.
But I guess I think I'm gonna go Conan O'Brien. Okay, Yeah,
I'm just so like the orange chair or whatever. It's
just maybe that's what that's what it is. But yeah,
I hear what you're saying. He may be the corniest
of all. I get it. Here's a stick to him.
To me, it was the chin thing I got to me.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
I'm just saying, Rob, I gotta go with David Letterman
because he's been market corrected by other people with better
gaps than their teeth, one of them being me, the
other one being.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
My great hand.
Speaker 8 (37:08):
The only thing that he has going from is the gap
in his teeth and now other people.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I'm gonna tell you this.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
When I was in college and he used to come
on in an NBC at twelve thirty at night, that
show was really funny. I mean it was really fun
and I used to stay up back then, you know
what I mean. I watch that show from twelve thirty
to one thirty before I went to sleep, and I
watched a lot of Man it was he was funny.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Twelve thirty the last one for me. This was tough.
It ain't our Sinio. He wasn't going nowhere.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Uh Coda ain't going nowhere, just because I kind of
got into the stick.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
And this one pays me to say wow, but I
think it is Jay Leno. Wow, you just.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Mad because he fell down the steps. No, I was
upset with that, like Jay, come on now. But Jay
Leno's gotta go.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
He's a legend.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Obviously he's got to you know, I love to have
his car, all the cars.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yet, but he had to go. Somebody had to go,
monsense and make somebody had to go. Let's see what
you want to me