August 1, 2024 • 39 mins
Former NFL quarterback Shaun King is in for Rob, and he and Chris tell us if it’s disrespectful towards Caleb Williams or Russell Wilson to refer to Williams as ‘Russell Wilson 2.0’, discuss Aaron Rodgers’ approach to preseason football and explain why Justin Herbert’s latest foot injury is such a big deal. Plus, NBA champion and FOX Sports Radio NBA analyst Antonio Daniels swings by to discuss why has no problem with Steve Kerr benching Jayson Tatum and Joel Embiid at separate times in the Olympics, what’s at stake for Embiid heading into the upcoming NBA season, why so many star players struggle to adjust to being role players for Team USA, the biggest threat to the Americans on their path to gold and much more!
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Speaker 2 (01:07):
We'll get in the team USA Basketball with him.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
But first, let's let's stay with the NFL and the
Hall of Fame game is getting, you know, not quite
ready to start. They're announcing some Hall of famers out here,
but soon and very soon the Bears and the Texans
will begin to tangle.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It was interesting because we were talking to Danny Parkins,
who's a radio personality in Chicago just last hour Sean,
and he brought up how Kevin Byard, who is a
respected veteran, a very good player, and Byard said that
assigned to him of the leadership of Caleb Williams is
(01:52):
that he said to all the veterans or the whole team,
including a lot of veterans, that.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You know, hey, guys, you know, we're all grown men.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
We have you know, there's a lot of trash, you know,
around the facility and you know, water bottles or whatever.
Let's go ahead and pick these up, you know, for
the people that are cleaning. And you came in and
you said that that wasn't leadership when you were in
the NFL in the early two thousands and as a rookie,
(02:25):
you and the other rookies were expected to clean that
stuff up. A Mani Tumor, who of course was a
wide receiver in the league for a long time.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Great player.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Here here's what he had to say this morning on
the cart and Show about that.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
He's Russell Wilson two point Zeroh, this is not gonna
go over well if you came in the locker room,
I've been here. I've been in this locker room for
eight years, like you said. And some rookies gonna come
in who hasn't played one snap right talking with wearing
the fingernail polish, you know. Now, he's gonna come in
here and tell me we've been here, who've been through
(02:59):
the sho struggle that I need to clean up?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
No, how about rookie, how about you clean up after me?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Right? How about that?
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Don't give me this crap. I don't like it at all.
I feel like rookies should earn their respect. Sure, just
because you got drafted number one doesn't mean nothing to
me because I don't even know if you're good.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
I mean, I think you're gonna hear most thirty five
and up current or former NFL players have that same opinion.
Give you that same narrative, like the entitlement of somebody
coming into the locker room that's never done a thing
at this level is at an all time high, Like.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
It's not guaranteed that just because you are really ballyhed
and the number one pick, we've seen plenty of them
go by.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Where you get drafted doesn't really matter outside of the
size of the initial check. You still got to go
and prove it. Like you're gonna get a little more
leeway from the team if they invested a high pick
on you. But as far as the respect it goes
in the league, you got to go and show that
what you're doing college you're capable of doing on this level.
So I agree with Amani wholeheartedly. Outside of one significant thing,
(04:09):
we gotta put some respect on Russell Wilson's name, like
Russ is the most year when the Ducci's the most
underappreciated quarterback. And I'm gonna say this, and this isn't
clickbait in the history of the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Russell Wilson came into the NFL in twenty twelve as
a rookie, took the Seahawks to the playoffs, won a
playoff game. His second year, he took them to the
Super Bowl and they beat Peyton Manning and the Denver Broncos.
In year three, he took them back to the super
Bowl and outside of maybe the dumbest play call inside
the five yard line in the history of sports would
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have beaten Tom Brady and the Patriots in year three,
like people at like Russ is some bum, Like Russe
has never had a season under sixty percent completion percentage.
He's never thrown for less than thirty one hundred yards
the season Chris in twelve years, he's got two years
where he's plowing for less than twenty five touchdown passes.
Like Russ is a baller. If Russ, If Caleb Williams
(05:09):
turns out to be Russell Wilson, guess what, everybody in Chicago,
get ready because y'all gonna have a couple of parades.
It's gonna be magnificent.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Well, I feel you, And I think he obviously wasn't
the personality, right.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I think that's what's a personality.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
The multiple parking spaces and you know, all the things
you heard about in Denver.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, And I think he's thinking of a guy.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And I don't know Russ personally. I don't dislike Russ,
you know, just from what I see from the outside.
But I think he's talking about, you know, like you said,
the office in Denver and Russ and some of it's
just his polish and a lot of people think that's phony.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
But I think it's polish. He comes on.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
He is clearly a guy that had greater aspirations than
just being a great quarterback.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And you know.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
The marketing of himself, the videotaping of himself and the
social media. The way he speaks, it speaks of a
guy that is like, you know, I'm not just a
regular player. I don't think it speaks of arrogance in
terms of the way you view other teammates, but it's like,
I'm here to do more than just play football. And
(06:24):
I think that's probably what he meant. And obviously there
were some negative views of Russ in the locker room
too in Seattle, so I'm not just trying to clean
it up. But what so you said thirty five and
up are going to feel that way. Absolutely what I
mean you, I don't know how much you talk with
current players and stuff like that. A lot have things
(06:47):
changed to where there is no rookie hazing, so to speak,
and all that stuff anymore.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
I think it has a lot to do with the
core group of veterans.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
And it varies from the team.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Yeah, and where they are in their career. I mean,
you got some teams with a group of veterans it's
old school. It's gonna be old school. You got some
other teams with a group of veterans have already all
gotten paid. They don't really give a damn. They just
gonna do their job and make sure their money straight.
And you know, whatever happened happens. So it just it
varies from team to team. You know, my thing would
be this, and I'm I'm a big fan of Caleb
(07:21):
Williams talent, but I think when an athlete in a
team sport wants to be transcendent, right, and there's gotta
be there's gotta be some kind of lineage of championships.
Like they didn't win a championship of that Sea, They
lost in a back to a title game, they lost
a two lead in the Cutting Bowl, they didn't make
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it the second year. Like, it's not like he's coming in.
You don't haven't won a Natty in college football or
even a conference title. Like granted he won the individual Award,
the Heisman. I get that. I had tip to you
much respect, but for the real respect to come from
like the guys that would be in the conversation of
(08:03):
being on the NFL Mount Rushmore, you gotta have some titles.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Man, you gotta have one.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I feel you because and you know you heard pat
Riley say, keep the main thing the main thing. It's
fine to have aspirations of being transcendent, to use your word,
and I think that's a perfect word. Russ clearly wanted
to be transcendent. It seems like Caleb may want that,
and that's fine, but I think you have to realize
(08:32):
the way I become transcendent is to win.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Period. Like you can't put the car before the horse.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You can't be like focused on wanting to be transcendent
and not focused on Man, let me just be the
best quarterback I can be.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Head down, I'll be The transcendence will come.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And I feel you, like almost everybody who wanted to
be transcendent, focused on the sport first. I do believe
now Lebron James is a little bit of a little
bit of an exception because he cle he came into
the league. I was around Lebron a lot when he
was younger in the league. He wanted to be transcending,
(09:17):
he said in interviews. He wants to be, you know,
like Muhammad Ali and all of that stuff. But he's
still focused on the sport, and to your point, basketball
is a little different than football in that the locker
room's much smaller. One player can have a huge, much
(09:38):
bigger impact, even a quarterback in the NFL, you know,
I don't know that they have. I mean they have
a huge impact too, but as far as like one
player of five in basketball in the court, you know,
you can make a little bit more of an impact perhaps, And.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
To be honest, I mean Lebron James is so unique
of a test case because I mean, hell, he was
a rookie Abe Lincoln was. I mean, he's been in
the NBA for seventy year. Ryan Parker joke.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
No, let's be honest.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
After years, after year.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Seven with the Calves, which seven is a hell of
a career for a professional athlete. If his career would
have been over at that point, he's not considered, you.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Know anything, even he not near the goat conversation, right.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
But I mean he got a reset on his career
in Miami, went down with a bunch of higher guns.
Lost the first year, but I think really learned how
to be a champion, spent another four there, went back
to Cleveland and cleaned up any bad blood that still
lingered from him leaving the first time, and now he's
(10:46):
all about his business now that he's back in LA.
So most athletes don't get, you know, all of those
resets from a career.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Standpoint, that's fair, but I agree, like it is interesting
because when I heard that story about Caleb, that was
I mean, look, you heard it being told in a
very positive way, but that did that was the first
thing that crossed my mind.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
Like, like, Chris, what is he standing? What is he
standing on outside of I'm the number one pick?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Like you said nothing, And again I don't be little that,
but there's no way I don't care who you are
in football. I mean, we've seen too many number one
picks not paying out. And I'm not saying he's not
gonna pan out, but you just can't rest on that.
Like it's not like you're coming in and automatically you're
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going to be great.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
It just doesn't work that way.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
And having lived a lot of my life on the
grass where like you really compete in I feel like
you got to earn the right to even break down.
Like the way I would have handled it as a
rookie if we had an issue, I would have first
got with my fellow rookies and say, is this something
even worth like making a big fuss about, or is
this something we can handle on our own. And if
it was a consensus or at least a majority in
(12:01):
the rookies, then I would go privately to one of
the vets and say, what you think about this, Like
I think there's a protocol to becoming the leader of
a football team, Like that's a different kind of animal
than some of these other sports where your skill kind
of elevates you quickly. Like in football, man, listen, you
gotta prove you can go out there when you get
knocked on your.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Butt, get back up consistently.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
When you go out there and you throw three picks
in the first three quarters, you got enough middle fortitude
and toughness to come back and still have great body
language and bring us back and win a game no
one thought we could win.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Like, those things are earned on the.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Grass, not by where you're drafted, not by your Q rating,
not by the level of celebrity profile that you have
at a specific point.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Well, Caleb Williams, you know he's talked about very fond
of Aaron Rodgers and being compared to Aaron Rodgers. And
speaking of Aaron Rodgers, we're going to get into him next.
Should he or should he not play in the preseason?
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Sean surrounding the Jets at least the most pertinent right now.
Of course, everybody's wanting them to stay healthy and you know,
(15:17):
see what they can.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Do this season.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
But right now people are wondering is Aaron Rodgers going
to play in the preseason.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Here's what he told the media. Pretty to stand on
playing in the preseason.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
Yeah, I mean that's that's Robert's decision. I've never told
them I don't want to play in the preseason. There's
a lot of thoughts about whether there's any particular game
from it. Yeah, we used to play all the time.
Now nobody wants to play. They don't want to play
their guys. It's different to combat that. Now we've done
(15:54):
all these practices with other teams, so we have three
of those. I'm assuming those will be like our super
heavy days and I'll be like the preseason for us.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
All right, Look, I'll leave the preseason talk of what
he can gain, if anything, from playing in these preson
season games to you, Sean. But first thing off, I
don't believe it's Robert Sala's decision. I believe that if
Aaron Rodgers goes to him and says, you know, I
want to play in the third preseason game, he'll be playing.
(16:27):
Like Salah said the other day, you know, really haven't
thought about We haven't talked about it. We'll see, Yeah,
we'll see, because Aaron's going to come up to you
and tell you whether or not he wants to play,
just like he went up to you and told you,
I'm not going to Mini Camp.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I'll be in Egypt pre planned vacation.
Speaker 9 (16:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I knew we were gonna have Mini Camp around this time,
but I still book this trip to Egypt. Just like
he told them, I want not Hacket as my OC
and so on and so forth. I'm not Look, I'm
not on the Jets. I'm not down on Aaron Rodgers.
So I think they can still have a successful year.
But that's my first takeaway is that it's Rogers call.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I would agree one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
And I would also say that in this particular instance
in case, I don't necessarily think Rogers is lying. I
don't think he's uttered the words I don't want to
play in the preseason, but I think he's insinuated in
every other way possible that he would rather not. And
here's why I think that selfish brew. The preseason is
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about getting the unit ready for Week one. One individual
player may feel like I don't need the reps, but
the unit does. The way this was set up preseason,
Game one, the starters played the first series, so basically,
get the whole unit together. Let's get that feel of
what it's like to go out and stretch.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Come out.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
We're gonna play the first series, whether that's three plays
or ten, and then we're done.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Two.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
We're gonna come out. We're gonna play the first quarter,
so we're gonna see what it's like. Get all of
our our process in place. How do we where do
we sit and we come off the field, who's communicating
with who? What in game adjustments look like? Because we
want the unit to be up and running week one.
In Week three, we played the whole half and came
(18:20):
out and played the first drive of the second half
because we wanted the whole unit to feel what it
was like to go in the locker room, make adjustments,
come back out, play another drive. That got the unit
ready for game one. This thing has become so selfish. Now, oh,
we don't want this player to get hurt or that
player to get hurt.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
But what do you tell the rest of the guys
on on the ones.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
What if Rogers ain't gonna play and the rest of
the guys, is telling the coach, I mean, wada hella
mama out there, and you never get a chance to
get the unit to me to the point whereever ready
to operate efficiently. Week one, What.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Are these joint practices like? Because he said that, I
guess you know a lot.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
Of fights, right, we've seen those where you see all
your fights at.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, how intense because he was saying, you know, like,
are they gonna go somewhat for I mean, I know
you still won't be able hit quarterbacks and stuff, but
will they you know, can you Does that simulate in
any respect like a preseason game or anything.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
It doesn't.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
We used to do intest god, but it was only
once and it was somebody that you were playing in
that preseason game. So if it was because ours was
always Miami. If that game was in Miami, we went
down there that week. We practiced against them, then we played.
If it was in Tampa, they came to us. And
it's really it's I get what Aaron's trying to say,
but practice is always more controlled, right, you know.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Okay, this period is third, third, and four to six.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Even when you're going against you, note.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
That this period is red zone it's not the sudden change,
it's not the unscriptedness that comes with live, you know, competition.
So if I was a head coach, I would midmic
the old school proceeds, probably would do away with game
three playing because they only play three games now. But
we definitely, like Caleb Williams or CJ. Strau, if I
(20:10):
was the coach of the Texas are Bears, my ones
would have played the first series tonight in the Hall
of Fame game.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I mean, look, I do think teams enter the season
more ready. I mean we've talked about sometimes the first
month of the season nowadays being very six looks sloppy. Yeah,
and I mean they're not practicing as much as they
used to here a lot of reasons, but yeah, I agree.
Do you think because here this is a legitimate thing,
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Rogers getting hurt last year so early, do you think
that affects And again, I think it's his decision, but
at least on the part of the Jets and Robert
sala Like, can you if Rogers went out there and
got hurt, it would not be Robert Salad's fault.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
But you better believe Robert Salad would be the one
to get the blame.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
At the end of the day. That's shortsighted this by
the Jets. I mean, it's a violent, physical game, just
like last year. He didn't play in the preseason, yet
you didn't have him for the regular season because he
got hurt in the first couple of plays of Series one.
So holding him out of the preseason doesn't guarantee he's
gonna be healthy.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
During the regular season.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Series or two.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Man, Yeah, I think he played one. Yeah, I think
he played one. And what a Giants game. I think
it was a Giants game. But here's what I always
learned that the preseason does. It puts real consequences on
making mistakes in a real game. You feel what jumping
off sides means on thirty one. In a real game,
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when you throw an interception, you feel what that change
of possession feels like. In practice, you throw a pick
and still goes to the next player on the script,
you jump off sides of the same thing, like, you
don't feel it, You don't really set in, you know,
you don't really get to evaluate it properly. So I'm
a big proponent of tiered preseason time for all the starters.
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Speaker 9 (22:41):
Brother Christmas King. How you guys doing today? Man?
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We're great, man, we are great.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
And uh, lots lot of stuff going on with Team USA.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Let's get right to it. Are people overreacting a right
to the benching of.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Yes, people are overreacting to everything. People are overreacting to
the benching of Jason Tatum. People are overreacting to the
DNP with Joel and b Like, I get it right,
this is the only thing that's going on basketball wise,
That's the only thing that's going on. So, you know,
for talk radio purposes, for you know, TV shows, you
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have to find something. I get it. I don't think
I haven't found an issue yet until Team USA loses
and lose, I'm not trippet. I don't care how it
happens as long if you don't win gold, there's a problem.
If you do win gold, realistically speaking, I don't care
how you do it. You ain't gonna make everybody happy.
This is a team full of eleven guys that have
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been All Stars. Eleven. The only guy that hasn't been
an All Star is Derek White. All eleven of the
other guys have been All Stars. Like, I get it,
you can't make everybody happy. And we had a conversation
earlier on my show, like would you rather they played
three minutes or not play at all?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Feel that I gotta push back a little bit on this, Chris.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
I mean, because you did say they had one none
All Star and he played Like I could understand if
White didn't get in the game, if Booker barely got minutes.
You know some of the guys that you could objectively
say they played over Jason Tatum, But we're talking about
a six foot eight ten twenty six year old who's
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really not a matchup problem no matter who you're playing,
as far as you're a negative for you, Okay, that
was an oversight by Kerr or either intentions.
Speaker 9 (24:44):
It wasn't an oversight because he told Jason Tatum in
advance he wasn't going to play.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Okay, okay, so it's not going to get something.
Speaker 9 (24:52):
That happened throughout the course of the game. He told
Tatum before the game started that he wasn't going to play.
This is part of that game. I'm a issue and
here's the thing, and I'm thinking that I'm trying to
think about this from a from a coach's point of view.
There are two guys on this team out of all twelve,
that I could realistically see and make a true case
(25:13):
for resting at different points. You know who those two
guys are for me? Jason Tatum and joellenb Those are
the only two. Now why excluding Lebron James because of
his age and excluding Steph Curry because of their age.
Outside of those two, the other two guys that I
can come to and say, you know what, Joelnb's playing
with a giant brace on his knee. He has not
(25:34):
moved well. He came into the Olympics kind of lipping around. Okay,
I can see time and opportunity to rest him I'm
gonna do it. There's not a player on this team
that has played longer and longed more minutes and had
a bigger impact for his team than Jason Tatum. I
understand the thought process.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Okay, I see, because I was wondering where you're going
with Tatum. But that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Let me ask this you you mentioned it be First
of all, I do believe Antonio that Steve Kerr's decision
not to play Embiid at all, like no minutes was
related to Tatum, because to me, that gives Kerr cover.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I know this. I was like, you know what I mean.
I don't know if it.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Sounds negative, but but you know, now he can really say, Look,
it was never about Tatum.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It was all about matchup.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Joelmsey's a freaking MVP and he didn't play against Sudan
because it wasn't a good matchup, so it lay off
the Tatum stuff. But let me ask you, I want
this is what I wanted to ask you about Embid.
He hasn't looked good to your point, and I think
Antonio that Joe l Embiid is this is the beginning
(26:44):
of the most scrutinized era of his NBA career, Like
I think for an MVP who has never gotten to
the conference finals, and he's the only one ever who's
never reached the conference finals as an MVP, he is
he's gotten passes. Some of it he was injured or
even if he played, we know he was banged up.
(27:05):
You know, James Harden took a lot of hits. Doc
Rivers took a lot of hiss. Ben Simmons took a
lot of hits. Like Embeid has been able to skate
away from the responsibility of their underachievement.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I think those days are done.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I think we see him in the Olympics looking worse
than Bam out of by you and Anthony Davis and
I get it.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Is a different game. And you know he's getting Paul
George Tyrese Max.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
He's ascending like if they don't get it done, he
I think deservedly he's gonna have to take a lot
of the blame.
Speaker 9 (27:35):
And realistically, Chris, I think that he should have taken
a lot of the blame leading us to this point
because everybody else that we talk about that we put
him from the same tier as took that same blame.
Janna took that blame. You know, Joe Jokis took that blame,
Lebron took that blame. Everybody else took that blame. So
I don't understand why. And again, Joel Embiid's been injured.
(28:00):
He's injured a good amount. You know, the availability has
been an issue for joelanby. That's why I can understand
resting him during it these games. I've said this from
from game one. I understand the I don't know. You
can tell me this, Chris. Do you think that a
a starting spot was promised to Joel Embiid if he
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joined Team USA.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
It seems like it, right because he's been the one
he Lebron and Steph, And we understand Lebron is Steph right,
but he's been ad Is obviously played better and he's
basically of the similar stature to Mbid. So why do
you know, I mean like stature in the league. So
why I do think that probably.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Was the case.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
And if that's the case, like because I felt from
day one that again Joel Embid is Joel Embiid. MVP.
I get all that came in second MVP two years
in a row. I understand all that, But when you're
talking about the Olympic game. Anthony Davis and Pam Autebayo
are a better fit on both sides to the ball
that Joel Embiidd. And that's not no disrespect to Joel
(29:03):
Ebe because this isn't the NBA. This team wants to
play fast, they want to have switchability, and they want
to have defensive versus utility, the ability to switch everything. Right,
So Joel eb doesn't fit that. He doesn't fit that,
and that's okay. I understand bringing him in because now
you're keeping him so you don't have to play against him.
But I feel like, honestly, it's tough to say about
(29:24):
an MVP. To me, Joel Embiid is the out man out.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
He looks like he's in the way right to.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Be honest, guy, he shouldn't be on the team. I mean,
he's been in the league ten years.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
He ruined Mark kill Falts, he ruined Ben Simmons. He
made Jimmy, He made Jimmy. He made Jimmy Butler want
to leave he couldn't have to tight. He made James
Harden want to leave.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Some come away. Paul George still want to go there,
you know, don't get it.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Let me ask you this, an Tony, I know that
was that was a mouthful of some nonsense, some sort
of true, half true. But anyway, he's only constant mb Anthony.
I'm asking you this because to me, he's looking like
a guy.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
And he's great. We know how great he is in
the NBA, at least in the regular season. But he's
looking like.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
A guy who doesn't really know how to play if
he's not the focal point of the offense.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
But he is that fair not alone, yes, but he's
not alone. Jason Tatum, Devin Booker, A lot of these
like here's the thing. I used to have this conversation
with Gilbert Arenas all the time. Me playing for thirteen
years as a role player in the NBA, I can
respect so much a guy that goes out there and
puts up in between twenty and thirty points on the
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nine to night basis when he is first on the
depth chart. But I had to have this conversation with
Gilbert all the time. There's something to be said about
being a role player, and that's to be efficient with
the shots in your minute. You know what you're saying
right now, you're seeing what Devin Booker looks like with
seven shots, or Berth down you're seeing what Jayson Tatum looks.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Like with four shots.
Speaker 9 (31:02):
These are role player. These are what role players have
to do. This is what Sam Hauser have to do.
This is what different role players have to do for
the Phoenix Suns. I have seen Devin Booker take fifteen
shots in a quarter, right, it may take him three
games to get the fifteen shots. Now. I had to
tell Gilbert all the time, it's what these sides do.
(31:24):
When you miss your first five and you get another
fifteen to make up for it. It's all good. When
you miss your first five and you may not get
another attempt. Now you're zero for five for the game,
that looks a lot worse.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
I'm going to stand by this.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
I think Zion Williamson should have been on the team
instead of on be And I know it's an injury situation,
but that talent fits the team way better than mb.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
Okay. I mean, I get it.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I meant from you. Antonia says you. You you covered
a team that that Zion plays for.
Speaker 9 (31:57):
So and my thing is Zion would be a matchup
night in there for whoever he plays against. But here's
the thing. This isn't a like if you're watching Team USA,
the only guy that's in his closest to his natural
habitat is Lebron James. Everybody else is kind of getting
in where they fit in. Like, this isn't the NBA
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where you give the ball to a guy and say,
you know what, go ahead and go one on one
because it doesn't work. You know, we have the most
talented team, the longest team, the most athletic team, but
yet we are still switching up our starting lineups to
make adjustments to fit South stud hand And I get it.
I completely get it. There's a lot of different guys.
(32:39):
I feel like Dion being one that you could plug
in for Joel ANDB and make a legitimate case for.
You can plug in somebody like Jaylen Brown, you can
plug in somebody like Paul George. You can plug in
somebody like Zion because defensive versatility and switchability and speed
and athleticism is the most important thing.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I do think answer, and I think we're going to
win the gold medal.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But I think that those challenges of stars and superstars
and guys who are the focal point of their offense
having to be role players. I think that adjustment or
uncertainty or discomfort, if you will, I think that's the
thing that gives these other teams at least someone great shot,
(33:22):
right like because we're yeah, yeah, I mean we probably
could have a better team of that was more you know,
some role players and some stars.
Speaker 9 (33:32):
But the thing is other teams have been playing together
for like five seven years, you know what I mean,
Like their roles are defined already a lot of these
teams came into camp knowing who they are. Think about it.
Germany with Dennis Shrewder and the Bagner brothers and and
Daniel Tyson, those guys they won the World Games last year.
How many of these guys that are part of this
team were part of that World Games team last year?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
At the Edward oh yeah Edwards. Yeah it was Booker maybe, yeah,
but it was.
Speaker 9 (33:59):
Very David Bookery. So the chemistry, like we're basically relying
on pure talent. We're lying on talent to be teams
other teams.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Go ahead, hey, right quick, before we let you go,
who's the biggest threat right quick? To the USA team
and these Olympics.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
It might be Germany.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
I think it would be Germany I do. I think
it's Germany, and then after that, I think it's probably Canada. Yeah,
I think those are the only two because France. France
doesn't have enough outside of those guys, along with the
officials working for those like really helping those guys out.
I just I think those are the two teams. I
would go with Germany one in Canada.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Too real quick because we got a run.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
But Wimby, I mean, I've been thinking that he's gonna
make a big jump next year just from the confidence
and offseason work. From what you've seen. I know it's
only been a couple of games, is that what you foresee? Like,
what type of season would you predict for him? Looking
at what he's done in these Olympics.
Speaker 9 (35:02):
I'm going to to me it has It's not the
Olympics because it's the Olympics. Is officiated different, the rules
are different, the game is shorter. I feel like in
the next year or two, Victor woman Yama has the
potential and probably will be the best player in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, yeah, I got big argue.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yep, all right, that's our man and Janiels great stuff, brother.
Speaker 9 (35:24):
For sure, appreciate it. You have a blessed night.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
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Speaker 2 (36:18):
There's a lot of buzz about that on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Justin Herbert Planner Fascia right foot expected to be out
two weeks in a walking boot.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Is this a big deal?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I look, I hate to see and miss that time,
assuming he's back for week one. I do hate to
see and miss the time with John Jim Harbaugh, because
you know.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
It's a new system.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
I think a lot of his weapons were taken away
from him, so I do think this is critical time.
So I think it's significant, but hopefully he doesn't miss
any regular season games.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
I think it's extremely significant for this reason. When you
deal with athlete, anything involving feet or below back is
a legitimate concern because those are the two areas that
I think if something lingers, it's a huge impediment to
you being at your best.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
You know, yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
That ain't anything to do with but yeah, definitely.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
I mean that playing the fastest feel like it's knives
poking in the bottom of your feet.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
So did you ever have that? I had it.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
I did in Tampa, and it's excruciating, and it, man,
before you get rid of it like that, you're almost
afraid to put your foot down and put your weight
on your feet.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Like did they shoot your foot, shoot up your foot
and you played through it or or you just didn't play.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
I think I had bite some blood back then I
just heal quick from everything.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
So.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
It didn't linger, but man, it was excruciating. I don't
even remember exactly how they treated it, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I mean I remember covering when I covered the NBA
just NBA players where it would be with them for
months or maybe could be a whole season.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
Yeah, ain't turf toe planning fast, Like anything with your
feet or your low back can be things that really
hinder you as you try to move forward. I mean,
he's been pretty durable so far.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I know he's went some time last year but played
through some broken ribs and stuff.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
But him and him and Greg Roman and Harpball, they'll
get a lot of mental reps. I wanted him to
be healthy because I wanted to see what approach Harball's
gonna take to the preseason because Hartball's an older school
kind of God played back in the day, even coaching
the NFL back you know when God's participated, So I
really wanted to see what his plan was gonna be
(38:38):
for her.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
But in the preseason, I.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Do think a team that I mean, who am I
to said, but I think playing in the preseason, like say,
you did it the old school way would.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Give you an advantage.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I do too, I really do you know, because like
you said, you're ready now, whereas the other teams are
gonna take a few weeks to get get in real
mid season form, you can be ready to go from
game one. So you know, tomlind does it with Pittsburgh,
so what wins?
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Smart?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, I think it's a smart way to go.
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Speaker 2 (01:07):
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Speaker 1 (01:10):
But first, let's let's stay with the NFL and the
Hall of Fame game is getting, you know, not quite
ready to start. They're announcing some Hall of famers out here,
but soon and very soon the Bears and the Texans
will begin to tangle.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It was interesting because we were talking to Danny Parkins,
who's a radio personality in Chicago just last hour Sean,
and he brought up how Kevin Byard, who is a
respected veteran, a very good player, and Byard said that
assigned to him of the leadership of Caleb Williams is
(01:52):
that he said to all the veterans or the whole team,
including a lot of veterans, that.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You know, hey, guys, you know, we're all grown men.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
We have you know, there's a lot of trash, you know,
around the facility and you know, water bottles or whatever.
Let's go ahead and pick these up, you know, for
the people that are cleaning. And you came in and
you said that that wasn't leadership when you were in
the NFL in the early two thousands and as a rookie,
(02:25):
you and the other rookies were expected to clean that
stuff up. A Mani Tumor, who of course was a
wide receiver in the league for a long time.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Great player.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Here here's what he had to say this morning on
the cart and Show about that.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
He's Russell Wilson two point Zeroh, this is not gonna
go over well if you came in the locker room,
I've been here. I've been in this locker room for
eight years, like you said. And some rookies gonna come
in who hasn't played one snap right talking with wearing
the fingernail polish, you know. Now, he's gonna come in
here and tell me we've been here, who've been through
(02:59):
the sho struggle that I need to clean up?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
No, how about rookie, how about you clean up after me?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Right? How about that?
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Don't give me this crap. I don't like it at all.
I feel like rookies should earn their respect. Sure, just
because you got drafted number one doesn't mean nothing to
me because I don't even know if you're good.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
I mean, I think you're gonna hear most thirty five
and up current or former NFL players have that same opinion.
Give you that same narrative, like the entitlement of somebody
coming into the locker room that's never done a thing
at this level is at an all time high, Like.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
It's not guaranteed that just because you are really ballyhed
and the number one pick, we've seen plenty of them
go by.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Where you get drafted doesn't really matter outside of the
size of the initial check. You still got to go
and prove it. Like you're gonna get a little more
leeway from the team if they invested a high pick
on you. But as far as the respect it goes
in the league, you got to go and show that
what you're doing college you're capable of doing on this level.
So I agree with Amani wholeheartedly. Outside of one significant thing,
(04:09):
we gotta put some respect on Russell Wilson's name, like
Russ is the most year when the Ducci's the most
underappreciated quarterback. And I'm gonna say this, and this isn't
clickbait in the history of the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Russell Wilson came into the NFL in twenty twelve as
a rookie, took the Seahawks to the playoffs, won a
playoff game. His second year, he took them to the
Super Bowl and they beat Peyton Manning and the Denver Broncos.
In year three, he took them back to the super
Bowl and outside of maybe the dumbest play call inside
the five yard line in the history of sports would
(04:47):
have beaten Tom Brady and the Patriots in year three,
like people at like Russ is some bum, Like Russe
has never had a season under sixty percent completion percentage.
He's never thrown for less than thirty one hundred yards
the season Chris in twelve years, he's got two years
where he's plowing for less than twenty five touchdown passes.
Like Russ is a baller. If Russ, If Caleb Williams
(05:09):
turns out to be Russell Wilson, guess what, everybody in Chicago,
get ready because y'all gonna have a couple of parades.
It's gonna be magnificent.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Well, I feel you, And I think he obviously wasn't
the personality, right.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I think that's what's a personality.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
The multiple parking spaces and you know, all the things
you heard about in Denver.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, And I think he's thinking of a guy.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And I don't know Russ personally. I don't dislike Russ,
you know, just from what I see from the outside.
But I think he's talking about, you know, like you said,
the office in Denver and Russ and some of it's
just his polish and a lot of people think that's phony.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
But I think it's polish. He comes on.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
He is clearly a guy that had greater aspirations than
just being a great quarterback.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And you know.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
The marketing of himself, the videotaping of himself and the
social media. The way he speaks, it speaks of a
guy that is like, you know, I'm not just a
regular player. I don't think it speaks of arrogance in
terms of the way you view other teammates, but it's like,
I'm here to do more than just play football. And
(06:24):
I think that's probably what he meant. And obviously there
were some negative views of Russ in the locker room
too in Seattle, so I'm not just trying to clean
it up. But what so you said thirty five and
up are going to feel that way. Absolutely what I
mean you, I don't know how much you talk with
current players and stuff like that. A lot have things
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changed to where there is no rookie hazing, so to speak,
and all that stuff anymore.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
I think it has a lot to do with the
core group of veterans.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
And it varies from the team.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Yeah, and where they are in their career. I mean,
you got some teams with a group of veterans it's
old school. It's gonna be old school. You got some
other teams with a group of veterans have already all
gotten paid. They don't really give a damn. They just
gonna do their job and make sure their money straight.
And you know, whatever happened happens. So it just it
varies from team to team. You know, my thing would
be this, and I'm I'm a big fan of Caleb
(07:21):
Williams talent, but I think when an athlete in a
team sport wants to be transcendent, right, and there's gotta
be there's gotta be some kind of lineage of championships.
Like they didn't win a championship of that Sea, They
lost in a back to a title game, they lost
a two lead in the Cutting Bowl, they didn't make
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it the second year. Like, it's not like he's coming in.
You don't haven't won a Natty in college football or
even a conference title. Like granted he won the individual Award,
the Heisman. I get that. I had tip to you
much respect, but for the real respect to come from
like the guys that would be in the conversation of
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being on the NFL Mount Rushmore, you gotta have some titles.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Man, you gotta have one.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I feel you because and you know you heard pat
Riley say, keep the main thing the main thing. It's
fine to have aspirations of being transcendent, to use your word,
and I think that's a perfect word. Russ clearly wanted
to be transcendent. It seems like Caleb may want that,
and that's fine, but I think you have to realize
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the way I become transcendent is to win.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Period. Like you can't put the car before the horse.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You can't be like focused on wanting to be transcendent
and not focused on Man, let me just be the
best quarterback I can be.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Head down, I'll be The transcendence will come.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And I feel you, like almost everybody who wanted to
be transcendent, focused on the sport first. I do believe
now Lebron James is a little bit of a little
bit of an exception because he cle he came into
the league. I was around Lebron a lot when he
was younger in the league. He wanted to be transcending,
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he said in interviews. He wants to be, you know,
like Muhammad Ali and all of that stuff. But he's
still focused on the sport, and to your point, basketball
is a little different than football in that the locker
room's much smaller. One player can have a huge, much
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bigger impact, even a quarterback in the NFL, you know,
I don't know that they have. I mean they have
a huge impact too, but as far as like one
player of five in basketball in the court, you know,
you can make a little bit more of an impact perhaps, And.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
To be honest, I mean Lebron James is so unique
of a test case because I mean, hell, he was
a rookie Abe Lincoln was. I mean, he's been in
the NBA for seventy year. Ryan Parker joke.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
No, let's be honest.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
After years, after year.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Seven with the Calves, which seven is a hell of
a career for a professional athlete. If his career would
have been over at that point, he's not considered, you.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Know anything, even he not near the goat conversation, right.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
But I mean he got a reset on his career
in Miami, went down with a bunch of higher guns.
Lost the first year, but I think really learned how
to be a champion, spent another four there, went back
to Cleveland and cleaned up any bad blood that still
lingered from him leaving the first time, and now he's
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all about his business now that he's back in LA.
So most athletes don't get, you know, all of those
resets from a career.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Standpoint, that's fair, but I agree, like it is interesting
because when I heard that story about Caleb, that was
I mean, look, you heard it being told in a
very positive way, but that did that was the first
thing that crossed my mind.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
Like, like, Chris, what is he standing? What is he
standing on outside of I'm the number one pick?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Like you said nothing, And again I don't be little that,
but there's no way I don't care who you are
in football. I mean, we've seen too many number one
picks not paying out. And I'm not saying he's not
gonna pan out, but you just can't rest on that.
Like it's not like you're coming in and automatically you're
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going to be great.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
It just doesn't work that way.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
And having lived a lot of my life on the
grass where like you really compete in I feel like
you got to earn the right to even break down.
Like the way I would have handled it as a
rookie if we had an issue, I would have first
got with my fellow rookies and say, is this something
even worth like making a big fuss about, or is
this something we can handle on our own. And if
it was a consensus or at least a majority in
(12:01):
the rookies, then I would go privately to one of
the vets and say, what you think about this, Like
I think there's a protocol to becoming the leader of
a football team, Like that's a different kind of animal
than some of these other sports where your skill kind
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The way tirebind should be the question in New York
Sean surrounding the Jets at least the most pertinent right now.
Of course, everybody's wanting them to stay healthy and you know,
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see what they can.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Do this season.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
But right now people are wondering is Aaron Rodgers going
to play in the preseason.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Here's what he told the media. Pretty to stand on
playing in the preseason.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
Yeah, I mean that's that's Robert's decision. I've never told
them I don't want to play in the preseason. There's
a lot of thoughts about whether there's any particular game
from it. Yeah, we used to play all the time.
Now nobody wants to play. They don't want to play
their guys. It's different to combat that. Now we've done
(15:54):
all these practices with other teams, so we have three
of those. I'm assuming those will be like our super
heavy days and I'll be like the preseason for us.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
All right, Look, I'll leave the preseason talk of what
he can gain, if anything, from playing in these preson
season games to you, Sean. But first thing off, I
don't believe it's Robert Sala's decision. I believe that if
Aaron Rodgers goes to him and says, you know, I
want to play in the third preseason game, he'll be playing.
(16:27):
Like Salah said the other day, you know, really haven't
thought about We haven't talked about it. We'll see, Yeah,
we'll see, because Aaron's going to come up to you
and tell you whether or not he wants to play,
just like he went up to you and told you,
I'm not going to Mini Camp.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I'll be in Egypt pre planned vacation.
Speaker 9 (16:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I knew we were gonna have Mini Camp around this time,
but I still book this trip to Egypt. Just like
he told them, I want not Hacket as my OC
and so on and so forth. I'm not Look, I'm
not on the Jets. I'm not down on Aaron Rodgers.
So I think they can still have a successful year.
But that's my first takeaway is that it's Rogers call.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I would agree one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
And I would also say that in this particular instance
in case, I don't necessarily think Rogers is lying. I
don't think he's uttered the words I don't want to
play in the preseason, but I think he's insinuated in
every other way possible that he would rather not. And
here's why I think that selfish brew. The preseason is
(17:35):
about getting the unit ready for Week one. One individual
player may feel like I don't need the reps, but
the unit does. The way this was set up preseason,
Game one, the starters played the first series, so basically,
get the whole unit together. Let's get that feel of
what it's like to go out and stretch.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Come out.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
We're gonna play the first series, whether that's three plays
or ten, and then we're done.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Two.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
We're gonna come out. We're gonna play the first quarter,
so we're gonna see what it's like. Get all of
our our process in place. How do we where do
we sit and we come off the field, who's communicating
with who? What in game adjustments look like? Because we
want the unit to be up and running week one.
In Week three, we played the whole half and came
(18:20):
out and played the first drive of the second half
because we wanted the whole unit to feel what it
was like to go in the locker room, make adjustments,
come back out, play another drive. That got the unit
ready for game one. This thing has become so selfish. Now, oh,
we don't want this player to get hurt or that
player to get hurt.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
But what do you tell the rest of the guys
on on the ones.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
What if Rogers ain't gonna play and the rest of
the guys, is telling the coach, I mean, wada hella
mama out there, and you never get a chance to
get the unit to me to the point whereever ready
to operate efficiently. Week one, What.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Are these joint practices like? Because he said that, I
guess you know a lot.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
Of fights, right, we've seen those where you see all
your fights at.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, how intense because he was saying, you know, like,
are they gonna go somewhat for I mean, I know
you still won't be able hit quarterbacks and stuff, but
will they you know, can you Does that simulate in
any respect like a preseason game or anything.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
It doesn't.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
We used to do intest god, but it was only
once and it was somebody that you were playing in
that preseason game. So if it was because ours was
always Miami. If that game was in Miami, we went
down there that week. We practiced against them, then we played.
If it was in Tampa, they came to us. And
it's really it's I get what Aaron's trying to say,
but practice is always more controlled, right, you know.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Okay, this period is third, third, and four to six.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Even when you're going against you, note.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
That this period is red zone it's not the sudden change,
it's not the unscriptedness that comes with live, you know, competition.
So if I was a head coach, I would midmic
the old school proceeds, probably would do away with game
three playing because they only play three games now. But
we definitely, like Caleb Williams or CJ. Strau, if I
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was the coach of the Texas are Bears, my ones
would have played the first series tonight in the Hall
of Fame game.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I mean, look, I do think teams enter the season
more ready. I mean we've talked about sometimes the first
month of the season nowadays being very six looks sloppy. Yeah,
and I mean they're not practicing as much as they
used to here a lot of reasons, but yeah, I agree.
Do you think because here this is a legitimate thing,
(20:38):
Rogers getting hurt last year so early, do you think
that affects And again, I think it's his decision, but
at least on the part of the Jets and Robert
sala Like, can you if Rogers went out there and
got hurt, it would not be Robert Salad's fault.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
But you better believe Robert Salad would be the one
to get the blame.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
At the end of the day. That's shortsighted this by
the Jets. I mean, it's a violent, physical game, just
like last year. He didn't play in the preseason, yet
you didn't have him for the regular season because he
got hurt in the first couple of plays of Series one.
So holding him out of the preseason doesn't guarantee he's
gonna be healthy.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
During the regular season.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Series or two.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Man, Yeah, I think he played one. Yeah, I think
he played one. And what a Giants game. I think
it was a Giants game. But here's what I always
learned that the preseason does. It puts real consequences on
making mistakes in a real game. You feel what jumping
off sides means on thirty one. In a real game,
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when you throw an interception, you feel what that change
of possession feels like. In practice, you throw a pick
and still goes to the next player on the script,
you jump off sides of the same thing, like, you
don't feel it, You don't really set in, you know,
you don't really get to evaluate it properly. So I'm
a big proponent of tiered preseason time for all the starters.
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Speaker 9 (22:41):
Brother Christmas King. How you guys doing today? Man?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
We're great, man, we are great.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
And uh, lots lot of stuff going on with Team USA.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Let's get right to it. Are people overreacting a right
to the benching of.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Yes, people are overreacting to everything. People are overreacting to
the benching of Jason Tatum. People are overreacting to the
DNP with Joel and b Like, I get it right,
this is the only thing that's going on basketball wise,
That's the only thing that's going on. So, you know,
for talk radio purposes, for you know, TV shows, you
(23:23):
have to find something. I get it. I don't think
I haven't found an issue yet until Team USA loses
and lose, I'm not trippet. I don't care how it
happens as long if you don't win gold, there's a problem.
If you do win gold, realistically speaking, I don't care
how you do it. You ain't gonna make everybody happy.
This is a team full of eleven guys that have
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been All Stars. Eleven. The only guy that hasn't been
an All Star is Derek White. All eleven of the
other guys have been All Stars. Like, I get it,
you can't make everybody happy. And we had a conversation
earlier on my show, like would you rather they played
three minutes or not play at all?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Feel that I gotta push back a little bit on this, Chris.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
I mean, because you did say they had one none
All Star and he played Like I could understand if
White didn't get in the game, if Booker barely got minutes.
You know some of the guys that you could objectively
say they played over Jason Tatum, But we're talking about
a six foot eight ten twenty six year old who's
(24:34):
really not a matchup problem no matter who you're playing,
as far as you're a negative for you, Okay, that
was an oversight by Kerr or either intentions.
Speaker 9 (24:44):
It wasn't an oversight because he told Jason Tatum in
advance he wasn't going to play.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Okay, okay, so it's not going to get something.
Speaker 9 (24:52):
That happened throughout the course of the game. He told
Tatum before the game started that he wasn't going to play.
This is part of that game. I'm a issue and
here's the thing, and I'm thinking that I'm trying to
think about this from a from a coach's point of view.
There are two guys on this team out of all twelve,
that I could realistically see and make a true case
(25:13):
for resting at different points. You know who those two
guys are for me? Jason Tatum and joellenb Those are
the only two. Now why excluding Lebron James because of
his age and excluding Steph Curry because of their age.
Outside of those two, the other two guys that I
can come to and say, you know what, Joelnb's playing
with a giant brace on his knee. He has not
(25:34):
moved well. He came into the Olympics kind of lipping around. Okay,
I can see time and opportunity to rest him I'm
gonna do it. There's not a player on this team
that has played longer and longed more minutes and had
a bigger impact for his team than Jason Tatum. I
understand the thought process.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Okay, I see, because I was wondering where you're going
with Tatum. But that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Let me ask this you you mentioned it be First
of all, I do believe Antonio that Steve Kerr's decision
not to play Embiid at all, like no minutes was
related to Tatum, because to me, that gives Kerr cover.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I know this. I was like, you know what I mean.
I don't know if it.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Sounds negative, but but you know, now he can really say, Look,
it was never about Tatum.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It was all about matchup.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Joelmsey's a freaking MVP and he didn't play against Sudan
because it wasn't a good matchup, so it lay off
the Tatum stuff. But let me ask you, I want
this is what I wanted to ask you about Embid.
He hasn't looked good to your point, and I think
Antonio that Joe l Embiid is this is the beginning
(26:44):
of the most scrutinized era of his NBA career, Like
I think for an MVP who has never gotten to
the conference finals, and he's the only one ever who's
never reached the conference finals as an MVP, he is
he's gotten passes. Some of it he was injured or
even if he played, we know he was banged up.
(27:05):
You know, James Harden took a lot of hits. Doc
Rivers took a lot of hiss. Ben Simmons took a
lot of hits. Like Embeid has been able to skate
away from the responsibility of their underachievement.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I think those days are done.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I think we see him in the Olympics looking worse
than Bam out of by you and Anthony Davis and
I get it.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Is a different game. And you know he's getting Paul
George Tyrese Max.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
He's ascending like if they don't get it done, he
I think deservedly he's gonna have to take a lot
of the blame.
Speaker 9 (27:35):
And realistically, Chris, I think that he should have taken
a lot of the blame leading us to this point
because everybody else that we talk about that we put
him from the same tier as took that same blame.
Janna took that blame. You know, Joe Jokis took that blame,
Lebron took that blame. Everybody else took that blame. So
I don't understand why. And again, Joel Embiid's been injured.
(28:00):
He's injured a good amount. You know, the availability has
been an issue for joelanby. That's why I can understand
resting him during it these games. I've said this from
from game one. I understand the I don't know. You
can tell me this, Chris. Do you think that a
a starting spot was promised to Joel Embiid if he
(28:21):
joined Team USA.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
It seems like it, right because he's been the one
he Lebron and Steph, And we understand Lebron is Steph right,
but he's been ad Is obviously played better and he's
basically of the similar stature to Mbid. So why do
you know, I mean like stature in the league. So
why I do think that probably.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Was the case.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
And if that's the case, like because I felt from
day one that again Joel Embid is Joel Embiid. MVP.
I get all that came in second MVP two years
in a row. I understand all that, But when you're
talking about the Olympic game. Anthony Davis and Pam Autebayo
are a better fit on both sides to the ball
that Joel Embiidd. And that's not no disrespect to Joel
(29:03):
Ebe because this isn't the NBA. This team wants to
play fast, they want to have switchability, and they want
to have defensive versus utility, the ability to switch everything. Right,
So Joel eb doesn't fit that. He doesn't fit that,
and that's okay. I understand bringing him in because now
you're keeping him so you don't have to play against him.
But I feel like, honestly, it's tough to say about
(29:24):
an MVP. To me, Joel Embiid is the out man out.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
He looks like he's in the way right to.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Be honest, guy, he shouldn't be on the team. I mean,
he's been in the league ten years.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
He ruined Mark kill Falts, he ruined Ben Simmons. He
made Jimmy, He made Jimmy. He made Jimmy Butler want
to leave he couldn't have to tight. He made James
Harden want to leave.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Some come away. Paul George still want to go there,
you know, don't get it.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Let me ask you this, an Tony, I know that
was that was a mouthful of some nonsense, some sort
of true, half true. But anyway, he's only constant mb Anthony.
I'm asking you this because to me, he's looking like
a guy.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
And he's great. We know how great he is in
the NBA, at least in the regular season. But he's
looking like.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
A guy who doesn't really know how to play if
he's not the focal point of the offense.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
But he is that fair not alone, yes, but he's
not alone. Jason Tatum, Devin Booker, A lot of these
like here's the thing. I used to have this conversation
with Gilbert Arenas all the time. Me playing for thirteen
years as a role player in the NBA, I can
respect so much a guy that goes out there and
puts up in between twenty and thirty points on the
(30:40):
nine to night basis when he is first on the
depth chart. But I had to have this conversation with
Gilbert all the time. There's something to be said about
being a role player, and that's to be efficient with
the shots in your minute. You know what you're saying
right now, you're seeing what Devin Booker looks like with
seven shots, or Berth down you're seeing what Jayson Tatum looks.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Like with four shots.
Speaker 9 (31:02):
These are role player. These are what role players have
to do. This is what Sam Hauser have to do.
This is what different role players have to do for
the Phoenix Suns. I have seen Devin Booker take fifteen
shots in a quarter, right, it may take him three
games to get the fifteen shots. Now. I had to
tell Gilbert all the time, it's what these sides do.
(31:24):
When you miss your first five and you get another
fifteen to make up for it. It's all good. When
you miss your first five and you may not get
another attempt. Now you're zero for five for the game,
that looks a lot worse.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
I'm going to stand by this.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
I think Zion Williamson should have been on the team
instead of on be And I know it's an injury situation,
but that talent fits the team way better than mb.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
Okay. I mean, I get it.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I meant from you. Antonia says you. You you covered
a team that that Zion plays for.
Speaker 9 (31:57):
So and my thing is Zion would be a matchup
night in there for whoever he plays against. But here's
the thing. This isn't a like if you're watching Team USA,
the only guy that's in his closest to his natural
habitat is Lebron James. Everybody else is kind of getting
in where they fit in. Like, this isn't the NBA
(32:19):
where you give the ball to a guy and say,
you know what, go ahead and go one on one
because it doesn't work. You know, we have the most
talented team, the longest team, the most athletic team, but
yet we are still switching up our starting lineups to
make adjustments to fit South stud hand And I get it.
I completely get it. There's a lot of different guys.
(32:39):
I feel like Dion being one that you could plug
in for Joel ANDB and make a legitimate case for.
You can plug in somebody like Jaylen Brown, you can
plug in somebody like Paul George. You can plug in
somebody like Zion because defensive versatility and switchability and speed
and athleticism is the most important thing.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I do think answer, and I think we're going to
win the gold medal.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But I think that those challenges of stars and superstars
and guys who are the focal point of their offense
having to be role players. I think that adjustment or
uncertainty or discomfort, if you will, I think that's the
thing that gives these other teams at least someone great shot,
(33:22):
right like because we're yeah, yeah, I mean we probably
could have a better team of that was more you know,
some role players and some stars.
Speaker 9 (33:32):
But the thing is other teams have been playing together
for like five seven years, you know what I mean,
Like their roles are defined already a lot of these
teams came into camp knowing who they are. Think about it.
Germany with Dennis Shrewder and the Bagner brothers and and
Daniel Tyson, those guys they won the World Games last year.
How many of these guys that are part of this
team were part of that World Games team last year?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
At the Edward oh yeah Edwards. Yeah it was Booker maybe, yeah,
but it was.
Speaker 9 (33:59):
Very David Bookery. So the chemistry, like we're basically relying
on pure talent. We're lying on talent to be teams
other teams.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Go ahead, hey, right quick, before we let you go,
who's the biggest threat right quick? To the USA team
and these Olympics.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
It might be Germany.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
I think it would be Germany I do. I think
it's Germany, and then after that, I think it's probably Canada. Yeah,
I think those are the only two because France. France
doesn't have enough outside of those guys, along with the
officials working for those like really helping those guys out.
I just I think those are the two teams. I
would go with Germany one in Canada.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Too real quick because we got a run.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
But Wimby, I mean, I've been thinking that he's gonna
make a big jump next year just from the confidence
and offseason work. From what you've seen. I know it's
only been a couple of games, is that what you foresee? Like,
what type of season would you predict for him? Looking
at what he's done in these Olympics.
Speaker 9 (35:02):
I'm going to to me it has It's not the
Olympics because it's the Olympics. Is officiated different, the rules
are different, the game is shorter. I feel like in
the next year or two, Victor woman Yama has the
potential and probably will be the best player in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, yeah, I got big argue.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yep, all right, that's our man and Janiels great stuff, brother.
Speaker 9 (35:24):
For sure, appreciate it. You have a blessed night.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
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Speaker 2 (36:18):
There's a lot of buzz about that on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Justin Herbert Planner Fascia right foot expected to be out
two weeks in a walking boot.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Is this a big deal?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I look, I hate to see and miss that time,
assuming he's back for week one. I do hate to
see and miss the time with John Jim Harbaugh, because
you know.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
It's a new system.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
I think a lot of his weapons were taken away
from him, so I do think this is critical time.
So I think it's significant, but hopefully he doesn't miss
any regular season games.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
I think it's extremely significant for this reason. When you
deal with athlete, anything involving feet or below back is
a legitimate concern because those are the two areas that
I think if something lingers, it's a huge impediment to
you being at your best.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
You know, yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
That ain't anything to do with but yeah, definitely.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
I mean that playing the fastest feel like it's knives
poking in the bottom of your feet.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
So did you ever have that? I had it.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
I did in Tampa, and it's excruciating, and it, man,
before you get rid of it like that, you're almost
afraid to put your foot down and put your weight
on your feet.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Like did they shoot your foot, shoot up your foot
and you played through it or or you just didn't play.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
I think I had bite some blood back then I
just heal quick from everything.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
So.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
It didn't linger, but man, it was excruciating. I don't
even remember exactly how they treated it, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I mean I remember covering when I covered the NBA
just NBA players where it would be with them for
months or maybe could be a whole season.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
Yeah, ain't turf toe planning fast, Like anything with your
feet or your low back can be things that really
hinder you as you try to move forward. I mean,
he's been pretty durable so far.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I know he's went some time last year but played
through some broken ribs and stuff.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
But him and him and Greg Roman and Harpball, they'll
get a lot of mental reps. I wanted him to
be healthy because I wanted to see what approach Harball's
gonna take to the preseason because Hartball's an older school
kind of God played back in the day, even coaching
the NFL back you know when God's participated, So I
really wanted to see what his plan was gonna be
(38:38):
for her.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
But in the preseason, I.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Do think a team that I mean, who am I
to said, but I think playing in the preseason, like say,
you did it the old school way would.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Give you an advantage.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I do too, I really do you know, because like
you said, you're ready now, whereas the other teams are
gonna take a few weeks to get get in real
mid season form, you can be ready to go from
game one. So you know, tomlind does it with Pittsburgh,
so what wins?
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Smart?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, I think it's a smart way to go.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
So all right, we got one hour left here on
the eye, a couple of Fox Sports Radio, I know
what to do. Keep in locked. We got plenty more,
plenty more,
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