September 18, 2025 • 38 mins
Rob and Kelvin argue over whether Mike McDaniel’s player-friendly approach to coaching is conducive to winning and explain why they have a problem with people who go out of their way to avoid saying that Arch Manning is playing bad. Plus, sports media personality Mark Gunnels swings by to talk a little Big Ten college football in this week’s edition of College Kids.
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Speaker 1 (02:02):
This week it's Mark Gunnels. Uh yeah, who will? Who was?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
We're gonna give him some props because he was right
about U c l A and their coaching situation.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
He was, but I said, right now, he was almost
too right. You're still right when you're that far ahead
of the current account. He did call like nine months
ahead of schedule.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Listen. I mean, honestly, I can't even defend it. I
can't defend. I'm like, I can't argue with the you know,
the fire. I want to but uh oh and.
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Speaker 1 (02:45):
All right.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Uh, we're about to watch obviously, the Bills and Dolphins
in Buffalo and Rob g.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
The Dolphins coaches on the hot seat.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
Yeah, to put that mildly, I mean the seat is
boiling as we speak. I'm surprised he might get it
through halftime with the way things are going right now
in Miami.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
ESPN dot Com did a big feature.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
But I'm gonna tell you there's twelve and a half
points against the division rival. When things looked like terrible
for you or like like this is a trap game
if you think, oh, yeah, they're gonna get blown out
by twenty five.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So you're saying, just covering the spread will save his job. No, no,
save his job.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
But I'm just saying for a gamblers, but gamblers, you
know what I mean, Something that looks so obvious sometimes
just is that's all so ESPN, as I was.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Saying, did a full feature on these Miami Dolphins, and
the point of it was, apparently last season they had
what they would call a culture problem in Miami, specifically
as it relates to at least two of their on
the record star players, one of them being Jayalen Ramsey.
You got traded one of them with Tyreek Hill, who
asked to be traded ultimately was not, and according to
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an anonymous player who was on that team, I don't
think he's on this current team.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
He said that Dolphins.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Players, specifically those two and other players on the team,
had a quote lack of respect from Mike McDaniel. In fact,
that player went on record as saying that McDaniel trying
to be open and vulnerable and being a player's coach
and allowing guys to come late and miss meetings or
skip meetings and only get fined but never really get
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reprimanded in the media or reprimanded front of the team,
according to that player, was misconstrued as him being quote soft.
So all the things he was doing when they were winning,
no problem. They started losing. The walls are caving in
on Mike McDaniel big time, and to me.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
This is a couple of examples to me, Rob of
while coaching is not a one size fit all thing,
and I think he's learning the hard way. So when
you're coaching these guys, first of all, Rob, if your
team is set up with captains of Tyrieg Hill and
Jalen Ramsey and those are you know, maybe two, three
or four captains, you're in for a bad situation. And
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a couple of reasons why. Your captains are supposed to
be the one that set the tone right. The guys
who are there that are working the hardest, and when
we read this report, they're not ro Not only are
they maybe showing up to meetings.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
A little late. Okay, I can understand things happen.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
They're missing meetings or just flat out leaving meetings or
leaving practice. You got multiple guys doing that. Tyreek Hill
is the same guy that's sending out flirtations. I want
to go back to Kansas City. I don't want to
be here. Trade me and these guys are supposed to
be your leaders. And one of the things that when
you're being a coach you have to understand is I'm
a manager of personalities and I have to manage like
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this with this guy. I gotta be hard on this guy.
This guy works hard and all he needs is a
pat on the back. This guy, I ain't got to
say much because he here to play, he's here to practice,
he's here to perform, and you have to be feeling,
you know, being able to manage those personalities. He came
in being the cool guy, being the funny guy, and
trying to be the players coach, and it seems as
though it's backfired where they're treating him like little bru
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He's already a small guy, he's already young, and from
this report, they're treating him like little bruh, ignoring him,
they have no respect for him.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
And you know what makes it worse, Rob And we
talk about this all the time.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
When he won twenty of his first thirty three games
and was making the postseason and putting a seventy piece
on people's heads.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
It was all right.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
But now that he's losing, and now that the team
is struggling, they tune them out. They're not listening. And
this is the challenge when you're trying to overly be
a friend coach player friendly coach, you gotta set the
tone first. You have to set the expectation first. You
have to set the standard first, and then you can
scale back. You can scale back then and again, I
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think this is what's happening. He's getting backfired on trying
to be too cool, trying to be too hip, coming
in wearing you know, look at me, look at that,
and not at They're losing and because they don't have
the respect for him. This is what he's dealing with,
and he might ultimately lose his job. Here we're just
talking about Deshaun Foster. He might be in the same situation,
whether it be today or over the next game or two.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
His money issue, and I just think this is what happens.
It's easy to throw arrows once things go bad. And
he was a younger, hippoer coach. This is why they thought.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Now you're saying, basically, he was getting credit for being
able to relate to younger players because he's younger and
not a sixty five year old man set in his
ways and it was working. Now, I'm not saying he's
a great coach or any of that, but now to
use that against him after he did have success, and
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he did have a seventy piece at one point, and
they would call him a boy genius. It's easy for
people to when things go bad, that's when people come
out of the woodworks, and now they're going to point
out all the flaws and everything. It just comes with
the territory. I don't think that that means that he's
not the same guy, or his style doesn't work, or
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if you're winning and you're doing that, winning covers up everything.
It's like makeup. I say it all the time. If
you win, you can get away with everything right. You
get away with calling people out and being gruff and
all that. Bill did it right, And as soon as
things didn't go that way, all they're tuning him out.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
He's been around too long.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Or Greg Popovich, same thing, you know, when he was
winning in those championships. Yeah, now he's old and now
people are tired of hearing pop and he's outdated.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Do you see what I'm saying, Like it's the same guy.
Just things change.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
And so I don't know if I could put it
all on McDaniel and say that it's his fault or
he's the one, or he's the reason. And I'm not
exolving him, not at all, because that's how you're judged.
We talk about all the time, wins and losses. That's
how you judge it, whether it's your fault or not.
When players perform right, you get credit for that, and
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when they don't perform, you get blame.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's the same way. If I'm going to give you.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
A new contract because you won twenty of your first
thirty three games right and the players performed then did
what you asked him to do, then I'm gonna have
to let I'm to let you go when you lose
your life, you know, ten of your last thirteen and
you look bad doing it.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Here here's here's where I I. I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
But the challenge I have is one of the things
that I think you have to come in there and
do is one thing that's factual to me and anything.
It's set accountability. When you read this report, is that
guys have been running them up from day one. It's
just they It just they were talented. Tyreek Hill comes
straight off the I want to prove everybody wrong. Kansas
City doesn't want to sign me. Remember he talked, oh
two is better than Patrick Mahomes and he's going crazy
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with with the with the offense and the receiving yards
and all of that. So it looks good. But the
problem is when you don't have accountability. When you don't
have you're not holding those leaders to those standards. And
they and maybe that's some GM two. They're calling for Grier.
They're flying turn flying real quick. They're flying airplanes round
that have fire uh Grier as well the general manage.
(09:58):
So so maybe he brought in the wrong guys couple
with it. So he's not exolted of this as well.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
But go ahead, were you you talked about team captain.
Most of the time those are voted on by players.
The players didn't vote Tyreek Kill team captain. That's not
that's usually the locker room and the players, not the coach.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
So and so I said, the coach has to hold
those players.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
I can't have my star player when you read this,
I can't have my star players Rob leaving practice, not
showing up to meetings. And even Tyreek Hill even that minute,
he said, well, I'm on time this time this year.
I ain't missed no practice this year. I've been on
time everything this year. Yeah, Well, you creating a toxic
culture where guys are taking this year as we always
talk about this the best of the best. You know
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what I'm if I'm a middleague player and I see
Lamar Jackson is the first two here practicing harder watching films,
I'm like, oh shoot, if Lamar doing it, I know
I gotta do it. We already know the late great
Kobe Bryant. They're setting a standard. And if you're letting
guys you know, the the uh, you know, the guy
the prisoner's running asylum, the prison, then then this is
(11:01):
what you get, toxicity and it ends up happening. We've
seen where they they just had a player's only meeting
after week one, Rob.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
You know it's all bad.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
You know things aren't good when after week everybody, anybody
would you.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Say about a guy like Pop or or somebody like
that before he stepped down, that Pop hadn't won in
like ten years or whatever, and people would just bring.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Up I'll hop you none of No.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
My point is is that it's easy to say that
after when things go bad. I'm just saying winning changes
the way you look. No, no, no, And I'm gonna
give you Terry Francona in Boston they won World Series
and then all of a sudden, they became the chicken
and biscuits guys and drinking beer and all that in
the clubhouse, right, and then Terry wound up getting fired
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and then he was running a loose ship. No, he
was running a loose ship with the chicken in the
biscuits in the video game when they were winning championships too,
but it was no. But once they started losing, then
all of a sudden, that ain't cool. And that's all
My point is, I'm not trying to make.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Let me go back to your pop. Sure, you brought
up pop, and I think the difference is pop. We
know what the Spurs way was. We all know what
that is.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
You brought up Bill Belchick. The Patriots way. You look
at Sean McVay.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Sean McVay has proven, whether it's Jared Goff, whether it's
Matthew Stofford, I've had you know, I've been around that
organization a little bit. They have a way about them.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
You have to create some type of systematic way, some
type of culture and expectancy. And I think Michael McDaniel
does not have that right now. And you can't have
it where your players don't like.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I just I just think I'm just gonna be When
you have unnamed people talking about respect and all this stuff.
I'm just saying it's easy to say that when you lose.
That's all I'm saying, Like, be careful not to take
that stuff as gospel, because things have turned bad and
when you lose people, this is what people do.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
He's evidence too, That's my only here's the evidence too.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
If they flow to night, then what would be your
like said, it'd bet Buffalo Oky to turn the season around.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Then then what has happened? Have they got respect for him?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Now, I'm just saying, then it would be one, Oh,
they just won.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
So here's the thing that we had. The evidence is
in the reason why they traded Jayalen Ramsey. They got
rid of him because they according to the former players,
former coaches, former people within the organization, he was toxic
to that locker room. The reason why they stripped Tyreek
care Love being a captain, toxic to that locker room,
the reason why they had to have a player's only
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meeting get to game one. So we have evidence this
isn't just losing. Andy Reid could end up going six
and eleven. This season, you know, and none of us
would necessarily question that. You can have other teams that
have You're not gonna win every year winning it is
not that's not that's not it.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But you can't have you can't be bad. I'm just
saying every question.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Argument to you is just I think it's it's very
easy to just point out stuff once you start losing
that that that's all that, that's all.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I think you gotta be very careful with that.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's an easy way out for the players to not
take accountability or blame that they haven't played up to expectations.
You're it's easy to point to one guy rather than
the look around the room. And that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I'm not Mike McDaniel doesn't do anything for me in
a positive way or a negative way. I don't think
he's the greatest coach since Light's bread. But I I
can tell you this.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Players do this all the time, and somebody's covered sports
for a long time is to take the blame away
from them. That's all they Yeah, it's the coach. Oh yeah,
he doesn't do this, he doesn't do that. No, maybe
you don't tackle right, Maybe you don't catch third down throws.
Maybe you know what I mean, Like there's a there's
a responsibility that comes from the player as well.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
I heard that and I don't disagree with that, but
I definitely think it's here's responsibility to call them out
about that.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And that's another thing they talk about is that he
never did that.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
He only find them and they all used to laugh
at the fines that he would post up on the
on you know about guys who were like, guys who
aren't doing this, Guys who aren't doing that?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
All right?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
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drawback to being a player friendly coach like Mike McDaniel
or just he's being made the scapegoat without accountabiit of
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Speaker 3 (16:58):
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Speaker 5 (17:00):
It's marching, Mike be Daniels saying I ain't going out
without a fight.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Rap dagg it, what I mean marching there in the
end zone? Are you kidding this?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
They just go yeah, oh what they did? They weren't
going on.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
He d got that, Chris, we saw a cable package.
He's like thirty seconds behind the rest of Chris used.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
To be talking about it and he had something and
they would be like ten minutes later.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Oh yeah, like Chris, please just stop.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
No, I actually I will sit here reading.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
You make too much money to be a minute and
a half by the rest of the world.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
First of all, First of all, let me pull it up. Okay,
I got I got.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
I'm over here working two laptops, two computers, that got
three phones.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
It's too much going on right now.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You got laptop envy? Is that what you're trying to tell?
How big your laptops are?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I'm in, I'm in. Uh, I'm in the matrix right now?
You know what, Rember?
Speaker 5 (17:43):
How they working in the matrix thing? They got like
twenty stick the screens going on the Dolphins. The Dolphins
have been complex thing over the last couple of seasons, though,
because you got to it, you signed to it. Because
again we talked about a couple of years ago twenty
twenty three, where it goes crazy, the offensive scoring tons
of points, they look good and people are high on them,
and then the struggle bus and then obviously with his
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injuries and so that's what makes it then Tyreek Hill,
they've had some weapons on the offensive end, they've becomes
so frustrating, uh and complex where you're like, what what
what am I gonna get with a real Dolphins stand up?
And I think that's what part of the issue too
with Mike McDaniels become you know, I'm big on this,
rob give me something your identity, meaning let's say, like.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
The pain their identity high offense.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
It ain't been ain't high offense.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
That's but that's what it is. Though you say, give
me an identity.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
I'm saying, that's what it's. That's what it's supposed to
be in our minds. It hasn't been that like Lamar
Jackson Gray is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
But that's who they are.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
They're not like a defensive team, right They can score offensively.
Isn't that what I'm just asking you?
Speaker 1 (18:48):
What do you think they are?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I'm saying, Rod to get there I need a bunch
of it.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Meaning, you know, if you look at those old Bucks teams,
it was year after year, we're about to be a
defensive team.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I knew what Baltimore was, the ray Lewis version. I
know Tatimore is now that Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
So what So what do you think the Dolphins are?
I don't understand. What do you think they are?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
That's my point. They ain't nothing.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
They are difference between you're an offensive team and you're
just struggling. I get that, but I think they're obviously
they're trying to outscore you, right, Isn't that what they try.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
To add it?
Speaker 5 (19:16):
I guess what I'm saying is I need to have
seen something sustained for me to then.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Say you want but that's what But that's why they're
struggling because they haven't been able to sustain it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
But I think we know what they are. Mike McDaniels
is the offensive guy, isn't he? He?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yes? Okay, But I but I'm saying that I would
need them to be be that year in year.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Okay, we're talking about the bank right get before the
season started, we all say, what, man, that defense is
gonna suck but dag and that offense should be insane
because we have seen it for you know, a handful
of years now where that's what they've been and with
him you had the one good year and then obviously
some injuries. It's just but they got to get back
to at least finding their identity, because that's one of
the things from a fan base, and if you're a
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general manager or ownership, you can at least start to say,
we're building on something.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
We've got that.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Now, let's try to go and fix the defense. For years,
Peyton Manning man the Coats are amazing. Offensive defense sucks.
So they finally were able to get it with Bob
Sanders and Freedy and matthis and all those guys, and
then all of a sudden, you go, oh, shoot, they're
a complete team.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
They got to like punching the building the mouth offensively
is a great start.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
If they win this game, what would be your conversation
that it was just a fluke, or or maybe they
turned the channel, maybe they turn the page, maybe they
change save this, save their season. No, I'm asking you
if they will know the answer, and they scored thirty points.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
What the answer is no? Because my issue with them
is I don't buy that they would be in.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
In it when they're down big or if they lose
one or two, meaning I don't buy the personalities in
the building. I think the personalities the building are going
to get down they lose two games or if they
have a bad you know, offensive two to three quarters.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But if the one tonight on the road in Buffalo
wouldn't mean anything to you, wouldn't help you.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
I would say that's a good divisional win. And they might,
you know, be finding something because they scored. They scored
a bit last week. They just couldn't ultimate to pull
it off. So maybe the offense is starting to do something.
But I don't like the personnel where you know, part
of teams, the part of games and seasons, you're gonna
be down a little bit, you're gonna lose the game.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Are you gonna stick with it? And I don't trust
that personnel, is my point.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
All Right, we got the college kids coming up here
in a bit right now, Martin Weiss is gonna get
a settled with trending.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
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That's right.
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Week three edition of College Kids back at it again
with none other than media personality and straight up no
stradamas in the sports world, none other than Mark Gunnel's Hey,
thanks for having the man was so right about the
Sean Foster getting fired that he was wrong. I know
it was ridiculous, Mark, Man, he's like he's getting fired
at the end of the season. Didn't even make it
(22:22):
to the first appearance of him back and he's already fired.
I didn't think it was gonna happen nes soon.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Man.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
I feel bad for the brother I mean losen to UNLV,
I mean, come on, well, that that'll.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Get you fired all the time, right, And what day
paid him un l V one point five million to
come beat them, to play to beat them.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah right at home. Yes, not a good look.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah. Unfortunately unl leaving, he left the team.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
He ain't gonna be here. He ain't gonna be here.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I'm not gonna be here.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
All right, guys.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
So once again, Mark's got three very hot takes, all
revolving around the Big Ten Football Conference. If the guys
liked take, he's graduating. If they don't, it's real sophomore.
He don't belong in college. Here we go take number one,
Mark says Nebraska. The corn Husters are gonna be number
twenty one. Michigan even though they haven't been a ranked
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team since twenty sixteen, says the Huskers are back.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Mark, you got a couple of minutes. Tell us why.
First of all, I'm sorry to Martin Wise. I know
you're not gonna like this.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
Take proble Michigan alumb over there, But I'm telling you,
Matt Ruhle has a reputation in year three of turning
programs around. Now, the NFL, we can forget about that.
But in college year three a Temple they won ten games.
Year three of Baylor they won eleven games. This is
year three in Nebraska. Like, like you said, they haven't
want to beat a rank team since twenty sixteen. I
(23:41):
think they get off the snide this week in Lincoln,
Nebraska and beat Martin Wise fighting Wolverines.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Mark, I'm gonna say this is a sophomore take back
to his cool, back to his cool.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
What Nebraska's all the way? What is convinced you that
Michigan's gonna be the one?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
They might beat the ranked team?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
But why is it gonna be Michigan And they haven't
beaten the ranked team since Moby Dick was a guppy?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
What do you got?
Speaker 7 (24:09):
You believe in Bryce Underwood the true freshman. We saw
him on the road against Oklahoma and Norman and I
actually picked him the win that game. So I was
wrong on that one. So I'm not getting stad by
them again. Like I said, it's gonna be a rocking atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I like Dylan Royola at quarterback. I know people think
of him.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
As just a costplayer Patrick mahomes, but he wasn't number
one quarter I look like Patrick mahomee. He actually was
number one quarterback out of high school, so he has
some talent there. He's not just a gimmick. I think
they get it done at home.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I really do what?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Man, that is so sophomore, if you couldn't be any
more sophomore. Let me tell you.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Bryce Underwood, as you mentioned, is about to go out
there and show y'all why there's a Let me tell
you something. There's a reason he's a true freshman, because
he's a truth. He's the truth, and he's gonna go
out there and get this done. You acting like Tommy
Fraser walking through that door. This ain't the mid nineties
Wood Nebraska was good, man, you know, lost your mind
right now?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I love it, but I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
That's fair.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Okay, we'll see we'll talk soon. All right, who next?
Take number two? Sticking in the Big Ten Conference? USC's
three and oh what'd you say?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Big ten?
Speaker 1 (25:14):
That just sounds so weird. I know, they're just like
the Big Night.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
Yeah, come on, so I used to the packed twelve
USC Big ten? Oh god, USC three and oh open?
The season average margin of victory on the year thirty
eight and a half points a game. Mark's like, Nah,
how do they suck? They're overrated. They're gonna lose at
least four to five games this season. Mark tellas why? Yeah,
I mean, this is a joke.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
They played Missouri State, Georgia Southern, and Purdue, and of
course you're gonna win those games.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
But now they're ranked what twenty five?
Speaker 7 (25:46):
I believe they still gotta play at Illinois versus Michigan,
at Notre Dame at Nebraska, and all those games are
in a row. By the way, after this week they
played Michigan State at home. They probably beat Michigan State
at home. But after that they probably lose three of
these four games. They will not be ranked here pretty soon.
I'm not buying Lincoln Riley. It's just all fluff.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You know what this is.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Graduation worthy always say congratulates, shut up.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Even though I teach them. I'm with you on this.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Lincoln Riley, they paid him like he was one big game,
but he hadn't one of these big game jet and
I think I take Abraham Lincoln over Lincoln Riley right now.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Absolutely, Mark you graduated.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I always say, congratulates, shut up.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Lincoln Riley is like Trevor Lawrence. Y'all keep telling me
he's coming. Hold on, it's code. Just give him somedings
coching man. Listen, there, you already looked at the schedule.
That middle of the schedule there with Michigan Notre Dame,
and then you got Nebraska, and.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Then you didn't even mention. A couple of weeks later
they'll be playing Oregon.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
So yeah, they're gonna end up losing a handful of games,
and they will have had the Heisman Trophy winner for
a couple of years. They had it this season and
nothing to show for it in all of this Lincoln
Riley era.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
All right, Take number three college kids, Mark Gunnell Sports
Personality Year with the odd couple talking Big Ten football.
Last take of the night, The hottest taking the night
Oregon quarterback Dante Moore. He's the best quarterback in the
Big Ten, even better than that fraud Drew Aller. He's
gonna play this weekend at ben State.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Now this weekend they played next week.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
It's coming up.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
The beat down is coming about the ass Oregon and
Penn State. Tell us why I feel bad for you too, man,
because he came from your Ucla.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
So this is more salt in the wound. Saw you
Ucla grads out there. Dante Moore started his freshman year Ucla,
got benched. He wasn't quite ready, but this is a
guy that was a five star prospect. He's in a
great system now in Oregon. I love their schedule, so
I mean, outside of this Penn State game next week,
they could probably run the table. I think they're gonna
be Penn State. Actually, Drew Aller, he's fine, but he's
(27:50):
not consistent. He makes a great hero. He makes good throws,
but then he'll make up. He's like a Trevor Lawrence
and I hate to say that. I'm a big Trevor
Lawrence guy.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I used to be.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
At least I'm on the fence. Now he'll make one
flashy throw and then you have two bad throws after that.
So I like Dante Moore. I think they win next
week at Penn State, and I think he's gonna prove
to be the best quarterback in the Big Ten this season.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Glad Calvin, you could go first, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
That's sophomore.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I wasn't mad at it.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
You were like, if the passing grade had to be
a three point oh, you had a two point nine,
You're almost there. I wasn't mad at you, but I
want to see a little bit more from him, and
also too, you know, these Oregon quarterbacks, they all put
up good numbers, but ultimately don't know, I don't know
how good they really are. It's almost like the system
allows for them to go put up crazy numbers. How
(28:37):
some people might feel about Kyle Shanahan and his offenses,
So he's really good And at the end, if we
did this same question the same take in about six weeks,
I might agree with you, But right now, I'm not
buying it. Right now, I'm still going with a couple
of people ahead of him, as in Drew Allar being
number one in the Big ten.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, I'm gonna say Sophomooric as well back and act
and Kelvin is right.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I don't know if you.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Could say what you're saying right here right now. Could
that change with a big win? Oh, you know what
I mean, and some other performances, But right now I'm
not buying that More is the best quarterback.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Well, we'll come back after they beat Penn State.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Okay, bove that might be the game that might change
the way I look at it, But going into that game,
I'm not buying it.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I can't no way know how mister Mark Donnell's.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Rob said he ain't buying it, like it's a two
hundred dollars shirt in TJ Max or Ross.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
He ain't buying it, that's right.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I'm gonna wait till they market down the twenty four
to ninety nine and then I might buy it.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Hey, don't be trying to act different because marketing there.
You know you ain't buying it unless it's twelve ninety
nine to nineer.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
You better stop it.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
That might be the case. He ain't full of me.
He ain't full of me.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Know that good stuff.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Mark.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Appreciate you, brother, thank you for coming into it. Appreciate it. Yeah,
any time, anytime, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
All right.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
That is the college kids, and we'll do it again
next week as well. Always a good time with that.
We got to talk about speaking to college There's a
college quarterback that we were sold some wolf tickets on
and I want my money back.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
We'll talk about it.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Nex Sistiya Couple, Rob and Kelvin on The TV Things
on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm Eastern,
four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I don't know this one, Rob, what's this one. Toyler Moore,
Oh yeah, you're right, You're right, yep.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
But you know what's crazy?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Allen? Do you notice too?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
In the early one, the first show, when it first started,
at the end, he says, she might just make it,
and then and then they changed it that you're gonna
make it.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
The first one was she might just make it.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I don't know, she really gonna make it.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, and then and then they change it to make
it that she was gonna make it. But at first
it was like she just might be.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
They just I don't know things right.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
We'll see on things single woman on our own in Minneapolis.
But back then Mary Tyler Moore throwing her hat up
in the middle. I mean, it's a great It was
a great show. Mary Talamore. Of course, she's on the
Dick Van Dyke Show as well.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
She had a couple of yeps.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Yep, it is they couple Robert Kelvin on the TV thing.
So on Thursday, shut up, Alex, if you miss any
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Speaker 2 (31:50):
All right, Roger and the Dolphins are winning seven to
seven after one quarter, so they're winning.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
That's a win for that. That's see, that's the gambler.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That's what we are now that weekend.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
As long as they do.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
You got twelve minut a half points, so you're you're good.
They're winning, they're winning.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, uh Rob g arch Manning.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
I think we've been sitting on this topic for about
a week, okay, because arch Manning got booed at his
home stadium in Texas.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
That's how bad he's been. He's been horrible.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
You know how bad he has to be for you
to get booed a couple of reasons. One you're in
a home team. Two because you are a Manning. You
know how bad you have to be playing right now?
Speaker 6 (32:26):
This has been terrible, and so now everybody and their mother,
anybody who's like a real draft or NFL college football
analyst trying to figure out what's wrong with Arch Like
he is the Heisman front runner, the odds on number
one pick, and he has just been flat out Charles Barkley.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Durable, He's been durable, terrible and really bad.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Uh Todd McShay said on his latest column that when
he watches Arch Manning play, it's like quote, watching a
frustrated golfer swing or tracking the beats of a broken metronome,
all of that, rather than to just say that he
hasn't played well.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Why can't he just not play well?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
It's always like something else, and he's a frustrated golfer.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
You we know he's on the PGA Tour, but he's
just frustrated right now.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
No, how about he hasn't lived up to the expectations
that people had him as the best quarterback and he's
gonna go there, it's gonna come out and go to
the NFL and this and that, and it's the Arch
Manning sweet steaks and Jerry Jones wants him and you
know on all this other stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
How about just that he hasn't played well enough so far.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
See, that's because you're not a DJ rob. You don't
get the metro Dome to the sinks of the beasts
per minute. You're not really sticking with.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
It's boom boom, boom boom. Man. Let me tell you something.
Here's the issue with Arch number one.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
We were sold he's always a heisman already, he's gonna
be the number one pick already.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
It's easy.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
We're like, all right, Dan, we never really we didn't
really get to see him last year, but okay, all right.
Maybe here's been the issue Rob for a couple of
things from me. When you watch him, it's not like, uh,
you know, maybe his receips aren't there for him. They're
still just trying to get some things going. These are
remedial issues that are that are happening. We're talking about
his feet, footwork not being great, his feet not being
(34:10):
in the right places. We're talking about when you go
to the manning camps, and that's what I was about
to say. We're talking about his arm angles being off,
missing deep balls, missing guys across the field, throwing turnovers
in the red zone against much lesser than schools. And
that's part of the issue because we thought, hey, if
nothing else, his mechanics will be right based off with
(34:32):
his grandfather and his two uncles are also. He's having
issues when he's at Texas when he has everything at
his disposal, right, he has from the practice facilities, from
the best players. Steve Sarkisian is supposed to be this
offensive guru. So it's not like he's doing it at
Old Min Family Live Mannings right. He's not doing this
(34:52):
where Eli was at Old Miss trying to make it happen.
He's doing this at Texas where this is supposed to
be everything given there, and it's he's not his first season.
He's not a true freshman like Bryce Underwood. He got
some chances to play a handful of games last year.
Come in here there, you would think all right got
his feet under him. He should be in a good situation.
And lastly, Rob g and I were talking, and the
(35:13):
more you watch him, you look at that arm, you
start to question is he okay?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Is or something to it? Is he hurt?
Speaker 5 (35:18):
But he's been underwhelming. And I said this when we
were you were on vac I said, he's absolutely gonna
come back next year, even if he were to, you know,
have a really good year. I said he was gonna
come back because he's not in a rush nil money.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
He's got money. He's fine. And also him and his.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Family arene all about legacy and the name, and I
thought he would come back.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
He has to come back now, Rob. It ain't no
doubt about it. I don't give it.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Dang.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
If he ends up winning eight, nine, ten in a row,
he has to come back now.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
If he plays well and lights it up the last
eight or nine weeks, I don't think he's coming back.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
What he absolutely is coming up, I said.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
If he plays really well, I.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Don't give it.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
If he goes to know and and throws three hundred
yards a game, he's coming back next year. I thought
he was coming back before the season started. I'm for
sure he's coming back now.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Rob, Yeah, I'm not so sure. I mean, obviously based
off of the early play. Sure, because it hasn't been crisp.
But it hasn't been what people expected. He's the greatest
prospect since Andrew Luck. We heard all the press clippings
and all the college the NFL analysts who are all
singing his praises and how good he is and what
(36:31):
they expect and all that kind of stuff, and it
hasn't panned out, you know, not not yet at least,
and it doesn't mean everybody's not the same.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Some people will late Bloomers. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Obviously that his last name helps, but he's gotta he's
gotta make it happen.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
You know, it's all let lined up for him. But
it doesn't mean that you get there.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
No, so, my you were gone.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
So I don't know if you got a chance to hear,
but I was telling Rogie, I absolutely believe he's coming back.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Even if he.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Would have said anson winning a Heisman and a national
championship all at once, I absolutely believe he was coming
back anyway. I just don't think he's in a rush.
I don't think he needs you know, I gotta get
out of here. I gotta get my mama a house.
He doesn't have to leave.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Matt Liner didn't come out, and it was a mistake.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
I just don't when you're ready to go, all you
do is when you don't is give more people reason
to pick your game apart. And the other part is,
which is a part of football, is that you could
wind up getting hurt, and so that's what you don't
want to play another If you've done all that stuff,
what would be your reason of coming back, so you
could break a collar bone, so you could break an arm,
(37:39):
so you could break a leg.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
I'm serious.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Like, if my advice to anybody who is going to
be if he played that well, is going to be
the number one pick. Whenever you're the number one pick,
you should take that. It's just you can't be higher
than number one. He ain't gonna be the number one
pick now, No, no, I hear you. Even if he wasn't,
I think he's different. King cat Liner went from one
(38:02):
to ten, and his career path and what happened to
him might have changed had he been the number one pick,
you know what I mean, and then went to a
different organization and people didn't look a little different at
him because they were like, wait a minute, this guy
doesn't want to play in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Who wants to go back to college. You know, when
you have a situation, we have a chance to.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Be his best life.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
He was the NFL team boy, NFL's King in America, Well, Dagga,
Them USC teams were the NFL teams of La Boy.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
He was living.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
But if he could do it all over again, he
changed his mind.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
I don't know, he might have been them LA years,
the mid two thousands, pre social media. That boy was
living for sure. He got stuff. Thank god we didn't
have camera phones back then.
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Speaker 1 (02:02):
This week it's Mark Gunnels. Uh yeah, who will? Who was?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
We're gonna give him some props because he was right
about U c l A and their coaching situation.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
He was, but I said, right now, he was almost
too right. You're still right when you're that far ahead
of the current account. He did call like nine months
ahead of schedule.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Listen. I mean, honestly, I can't even defend it. I
can't defend. I'm like, I can't argue with the you know,
the fire. I want to but uh oh and.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
That was quick.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Three games, oh and three bad start and that was it.
But we'll have Mark Gunnells in studio, be able to
see what he looks like and hang out with us,
and that's coming up pretty soon.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
All right.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Uh, we're about to watch obviously, the Bills and Dolphins
in Buffalo and Rob g.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
The Dolphins coaches on the hot seat.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
Yeah, to put that mildly, I mean the seat is
boiling as we speak. I'm surprised he might get it
through halftime with the way things are going right now
in Miami.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
ESPN dot Com did a big feature.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
But I'm gonna tell you there's twelve and a half
points against the division rival. When things looked like terrible
for you or like like this is a trap game
if you think, oh, yeah, they're gonna get blown out
by twenty five.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So you're saying, just covering the spread will save his job. No, no,
save his job.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
But I'm just saying for a gamblers, but gamblers, you
know what I mean, Something that looks so obvious sometimes
just is that's all so ESPN, as I was.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Saying, did a full feature on these Miami Dolphins, and
the point of it was, apparently last season they had
what they would call a culture problem in Miami, specifically
as it relates to at least two of their on
the record star players, one of them being Jayalen Ramsey.
You got traded one of them with Tyreek Hill, who
asked to be traded ultimately was not, and according to
(03:50):
an anonymous player who was on that team, I don't
think he's on this current team.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
He said that Dolphins.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Players, specifically those two and other players on the team,
had a quote lack of respect from Mike McDaniel. In fact,
that player went on record as saying that McDaniel trying
to be open and vulnerable and being a player's coach
and allowing guys to come late and miss meetings or
skip meetings and only get fined but never really get
(04:16):
reprimanded in the media or reprimanded front of the team,
according to that player, was misconstrued as him being quote soft.
So all the things he was doing when they were winning,
no problem. They started losing. The walls are caving in
on Mike McDaniel big time, and to me.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
This is a couple of examples to me, Rob of
while coaching is not a one size fit all thing,
and I think he's learning the hard way. So when
you're coaching these guys, first of all, Rob, if your
team is set up with captains of Tyrieg Hill and
Jalen Ramsey and those are you know, maybe two, three
or four captains, you're in for a bad situation. And
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a couple of reasons why. Your captains are supposed to
be the one that set the tone right. The guys
who are there that are working the hardest, and when
we read this report, they're not ro Not only are
they maybe showing up to meetings.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
A little late. Okay, I can understand things happen.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
They're missing meetings or just flat out leaving meetings or
leaving practice. You got multiple guys doing that. Tyreek Hill
is the same guy that's sending out flirtations. I want
to go back to Kansas City. I don't want to
be here. Trade me and these guys are supposed to
be your leaders. And one of the things that when
you're being a coach you have to understand is I'm
a manager of personalities and I have to manage like
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this with this guy. I gotta be hard on this guy.
This guy works hard and all he needs is a
pat on the back. This guy, I ain't got to
say much because he here to play, he's here to practice,
he's here to perform, and you have to be feeling,
you know, being able to manage those personalities. He came
in being the cool guy, being the funny guy, and
trying to be the players coach, and it seems as
though it's backfired where they're treating him like little bru
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He's already a small guy, he's already young, and from
this report, they're treating him like little bruh, ignoring him,
they have no respect for him.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
And you know what makes it worse, Rob And we
talk about this all the time.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
When he won twenty of his first thirty three games
and was making the postseason and putting a seventy piece
on people's heads.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
It was all right.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
But now that he's losing, and now that the team
is struggling, they tune them out. They're not listening. And
this is the challenge when you're trying to overly be
a friend coach player friendly coach, you gotta set the
tone first. You have to set the expectation first. You
have to set the standard first, and then you can
scale back. You can scale back then and again, I
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think this is what's happening. He's getting backfired on trying
to be too cool, trying to be too hip, coming
in wearing you know, look at me, look at that,
and not at They're losing and because they don't have
the respect for him. This is what he's dealing with,
and he might ultimately lose his job. Here we're just
talking about Deshaun Foster. He might be in the same situation,
whether it be today or over the next game or two.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
His money issue, and I just think this is what happens.
It's easy to throw arrows once things go bad. And
he was a younger, hippoer coach. This is why they thought.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Now you're saying, basically, he was getting credit for being
able to relate to younger players because he's younger and
not a sixty five year old man set in his
ways and it was working. Now, I'm not saying he's
a great coach or any of that, but now to
use that against him after he did have success, and
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he did have a seventy piece at one point, and
they would call him a boy genius. It's easy for
people to when things go bad, that's when people come
out of the woodworks, and now they're going to point
out all the flaws and everything. It just comes with
the territory. I don't think that that means that he's
not the same guy, or his style doesn't work, or
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if you're winning and you're doing that, winning covers up everything.
It's like makeup. I say it all the time. If
you win, you can get away with everything right. You
get away with calling people out and being gruff and
all that. Bill did it right, And as soon as
things didn't go that way, all they're tuning him out.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
He's been around too long.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Or Greg Popovich, same thing, you know, when he was
winning in those championships. Yeah, now he's old and now
people are tired of hearing pop and he's outdated.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Do you see what I'm saying, Like it's the same guy.
Just things change.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
And so I don't know if I could put it
all on McDaniel and say that it's his fault or
he's the one, or he's the reason. And I'm not
exolving him, not at all, because that's how you're judged.
We talk about all the time, wins and losses. That's
how you judge it, whether it's your fault or not.
When players perform right, you get credit for that, and
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when they don't perform, you get blame.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's the same way. If I'm going to give you.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
A new contract because you won twenty of your first
thirty three games right and the players performed then did
what you asked him to do, then I'm gonna have
to let I'm to let you go when you lose
your life, you know, ten of your last thirteen and
you look bad doing it.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Here here's here's where I I. I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
But the challenge I have is one of the things
that I think you have to come in there and
do is one thing that's factual to me and anything.
It's set accountability. When you read this report, is that
guys have been running them up from day one. It's
just they It just they were talented. Tyreek Hill comes
straight off the I want to prove everybody wrong. Kansas
City doesn't want to sign me. Remember he talked, oh
two is better than Patrick Mahomes and he's going crazy
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with with the with the offense and the receiving yards
and all of that. So it looks good. But the
problem is when you don't have accountability. When you don't
have you're not holding those leaders to those standards. And
they and maybe that's some GM two. They're calling for Grier.
They're flying turn flying real quick. They're flying airplanes round
that have fire uh Grier as well the general manage.
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So so maybe he brought in the wrong guys couple
with it. So he's not exolted of this as well.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
But go ahead, were you you talked about team captain.
Most of the time those are voted on by players.
The players didn't vote Tyreek Kill team captain. That's not
that's usually the locker room and the players, not the coach.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
So and so I said, the coach has to hold
those players.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
I can't have my star player when you read this,
I can't have my star players Rob leaving practice, not
showing up to meetings. And even Tyreek Hill even that minute,
he said, well, I'm on time this time this year.
I ain't missed no practice this year. I've been on
time everything this year. Yeah, Well, you creating a toxic
culture where guys are taking this year as we always
talk about this the best of the best. You know
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what I'm if I'm a middleague player and I see
Lamar Jackson is the first two here practicing harder watching films,
I'm like, oh shoot, if Lamar doing it, I know
I gotta do it. We already know the late great
Kobe Bryant. They're setting a standard. And if you're letting
guys you know, the the uh, you know, the guy
the prisoner's running asylum, the prison, then then this is
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what you get, toxicity and it ends up happening. We've
seen where they they just had a player's only meeting
after week one, Rob.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
You know it's all bad.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
You know things aren't good when after week everybody, anybody
would you.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Say about a guy like Pop or or somebody like
that before he stepped down, that Pop hadn't won in
like ten years or whatever, and people would just bring.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Up I'll hop you none of No.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
My point is is that it's easy to say that
after when things go bad. I'm just saying winning changes
the way you look. No, no, no, And I'm gonna
give you Terry Francona in Boston they won World Series
and then all of a sudden, they became the chicken
and biscuits guys and drinking beer and all that in
the clubhouse, right, and then Terry wound up getting fired
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and then he was running a loose ship. No, he
was running a loose ship with the chicken in the
biscuits in the video game when they were winning championships too,
but it was no. But once they started losing, then
all of a sudden, that ain't cool. And that's all
My point is, I'm not trying to make.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Let me go back to your pop. Sure, you brought
up pop, and I think the difference is pop. We
know what the Spurs way was. We all know what
that is.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
You brought up Bill Belchick. The Patriots way. You look
at Sean McVay.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Sean McVay has proven, whether it's Jared Goff, whether it's
Matthew Stofford, I've had you know, I've been around that
organization a little bit. They have a way about them.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
You have to create some type of systematic way, some
type of culture and expectancy. And I think Michael McDaniel
does not have that right now. And you can't have
it where your players don't like.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I just I just think I'm just gonna be When
you have unnamed people talking about respect and all this stuff.
I'm just saying it's easy to say that when you lose.
That's all I'm saying, Like, be careful not to take
that stuff as gospel, because things have turned bad and
when you lose people, this is what people do.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
He's evidence too, That's my only here's the evidence too.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
If they flow to night, then what would be your
like said, it'd bet Buffalo Oky to turn the season around.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Then then what has happened? Have they got respect for him?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Now, I'm just saying, then it would be one, Oh,
they just won.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
So here's the thing that we had. The evidence is
in the reason why they traded Jayalen Ramsey. They got
rid of him because they according to the former players,
former coaches, former people within the organization, he was toxic
to that locker room. The reason why they stripped Tyreek
care Love being a captain, toxic to that locker room,
the reason why they had to have a player's only
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meeting get to game one. So we have evidence this
isn't just losing. Andy Reid could end up going six
and eleven. This season, you know, and none of us
would necessarily question that. You can have other teams that
have You're not gonna win every year winning it is
not that's not that's not it.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But you can't have you can't be bad. I'm just
saying every question.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Argument to you is just I think it's it's very
easy to just point out stuff once you start losing
that that that's all that, that's all.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I think you gotta be very careful with that.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's an easy way out for the players to not
take accountability or blame that they haven't played up to expectations.
You're it's easy to point to one guy rather than
the look around the room. And that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I'm not Mike McDaniel doesn't do anything for me in
a positive way or a negative way. I don't think
he's the greatest coach since Light's bread. But I I
can tell you this.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Players do this all the time, and somebody's covered sports
for a long time is to take the blame away
from them. That's all they Yeah, it's the coach. Oh yeah,
he doesn't do this, he doesn't do that. No, maybe
you don't tackle right, Maybe you don't catch third down throws.
Maybe you know what I mean, Like there's a there's
a responsibility that comes from the player as well.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
I heard that and I don't disagree with that, but
I definitely think it's here's responsibility to call them out
about that.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And that's another thing they talk about is that he
never did that.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
He only find them and they all used to laugh
at the fines that he would post up on the
on you know about guys who were like, guys who
aren't doing this, Guys who aren't doing that?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
All right?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. Is there a
drawback to being a player friendly coach like Mike McDaniel
or just he's being made the scapegoat without accountabiit of
the league foot players. Where are you on this? We'll
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Speaker 3 (16:58):
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Speaker 5 (17:00):
It's marching, Mike be Daniels saying I ain't going out
without a fight.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Rap dagg it, what I mean marching there in the
end zone? Are you kidding this?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
They just go yeah, oh what they did? They weren't
going on.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
He d got that, Chris, we saw a cable package.
He's like thirty seconds behind the rest of Chris used.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
To be talking about it and he had something and
they would be like ten minutes later.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Oh yeah, like Chris, please just stop.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
No, I actually I will sit here reading.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
You make too much money to be a minute and
a half by the rest of the world.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
First of all, First of all, let me pull it up. Okay,
I got I got.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
I'm over here working two laptops, two computers, that got
three phones.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
It's too much going on right now.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You got laptop envy? Is that what you're trying to tell?
How big your laptops are?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I'm in, I'm in. Uh, I'm in the matrix right now?
You know what, Rember?
Speaker 5 (17:43):
How they working in the matrix thing? They got like
twenty stick the screens going on the Dolphins. The Dolphins
have been complex thing over the last couple of seasons, though,
because you got to it, you signed to it. Because
again we talked about a couple of years ago twenty
twenty three, where it goes crazy, the offensive scoring tons
of points, they look good and people are high on them,
and then the struggle bus and then obviously with his
(18:04):
injuries and so that's what makes it then Tyreek Hill,
they've had some weapons on the offensive end, they've becomes
so frustrating, uh and complex where you're like, what what
what am I gonna get with a real Dolphins stand up?
And I think that's what part of the issue too
with Mike McDaniels become you know, I'm big on this,
rob give me something your identity, meaning let's say, like.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
The pain their identity high offense.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
It ain't been ain't high offense.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
That's but that's what it is. Though you say, give
me an identity.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
I'm saying, that's what it's. That's what it's supposed to
be in our minds. It hasn't been that like Lamar
Jackson Gray is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
But that's who they are.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
They're not like a defensive team, right They can score offensively.
Isn't that what I'm just asking you?
Speaker 1 (18:48):
What do you think they are?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I'm saying, Rod to get there I need a bunch
of it.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Meaning, you know, if you look at those old Bucks teams,
it was year after year, we're about to be a
defensive team.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I knew what Baltimore was, the ray Lewis version. I
know Tatimore is now that Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
So what So what do you think the Dolphins are?
I don't understand. What do you think they are?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
That's my point. They ain't nothing.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
They are difference between you're an offensive team and you're
just struggling. I get that, but I think they're obviously
they're trying to outscore you, right, Isn't that what they try.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
To add it?
Speaker 5 (19:16):
I guess what I'm saying is I need to have
seen something sustained for me to then.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Say you want but that's what But that's why they're
struggling because they haven't been able to sustain it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
But I think we know what they are. Mike McDaniels
is the offensive guy, isn't he? He?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yes? Okay, But I but I'm saying that I would
need them to be be that year in year.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Okay, we're talking about the bank right get before the
season started, we all say, what, man, that defense is
gonna suck but dag and that offense should be insane
because we have seen it for you know, a handful
of years now where that's what they've been and with
him you had the one good year and then obviously
some injuries. It's just but they got to get back
to at least finding their identity, because that's one of
the things from a fan base, and if you're a
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general manager or ownership, you can at least start to say,
we're building on something.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
We've got that.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Now, let's try to go and fix the defense. For years,
Peyton Manning man the Coats are amazing. Offensive defense sucks.
So they finally were able to get it with Bob
Sanders and Freedy and matthis and all those guys, and
then all of a sudden, you go, oh, shoot, they're
a complete team.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
They got to like punching the building the mouth offensively
is a great start.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
If they win this game, what would be your conversation
that it was just a fluke, or or maybe they
turned the channel, maybe they turn the page, maybe they
change save this, save their season. No, I'm asking you
if they will know the answer, and they scored thirty points.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
What the answer is no? Because my issue with them
is I don't buy that they would be in.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
In it when they're down big or if they lose
one or two, meaning I don't buy the personalities in
the building. I think the personalities the building are going
to get down they lose two games or if they
have a bad you know, offensive two to three quarters.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But if the one tonight on the road in Buffalo
wouldn't mean anything to you, wouldn't help you.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
I would say that's a good divisional win. And they might,
you know, be finding something because they scored. They scored
a bit last week. They just couldn't ultimate to pull
it off. So maybe the offense is starting to do something.
But I don't like the personnel where you know, part
of teams, the part of games and seasons, you're gonna
be down a little bit, you're gonna lose the game.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Are you gonna stick with it? And I don't trust
that personnel, is my point.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
All Right, we got the college kids coming up here
in a bit right now, Martin Weiss is gonna get
a settled with trending.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
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they know college ball takes it into the job. Yeah, right,
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Speaker 1 (22:01):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Week three edition of College Kids back at it again
with none other than media personality and straight up no
stradamas in the sports world, none other than Mark Gunnel's Hey,
thanks for having the man was so right about the
Sean Foster getting fired that he was wrong. I know
it was ridiculous, Mark, Man, he's like he's getting fired
at the end of the season. Didn't even make it
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to the first appearance of him back and he's already fired.
I didn't think it was gonna happen nes soon.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Man.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
I feel bad for the brother I mean losen to UNLV,
I mean, come on, well, that that'll.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Get you fired all the time, right, And what day
paid him un l V one point five million to
come beat them, to play to beat them.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah right at home. Yes, not a good look.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah. Unfortunately unl leaving, he left the team.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
He ain't gonna be here. He ain't gonna be here.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I'm not gonna be here.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
All right, guys.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
So once again, Mark's got three very hot takes, all
revolving around the Big Ten Football Conference. If the guys
liked take, he's graduating. If they don't, it's real sophomore.
He don't belong in college. Here we go take number one,
Mark says Nebraska. The corn Husters are gonna be number
twenty one. Michigan even though they haven't been a ranked
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team since twenty sixteen, says the Huskers are back.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Mark, you got a couple of minutes. Tell us why.
First of all, I'm sorry to Martin Wise. I know
you're not gonna like this.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
Take proble Michigan alumb over there, But I'm telling you,
Matt Ruhle has a reputation in year three of turning
programs around. Now, the NFL, we can forget about that.
But in college year three a Temple they won ten games.
Year three of Baylor they won eleven games. This is
year three in Nebraska. Like, like you said, they haven't
want to beat a rank team since twenty sixteen. I
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think they get off the snide this week in Lincoln,
Nebraska and beat Martin Wise fighting Wolverines.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Mark, I'm gonna say this is a sophomore take back
to his cool, back to his cool.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
What Nebraska's all the way? What is convinced you that
Michigan's gonna be the one?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
They might beat the ranked team?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
But why is it gonna be Michigan And they haven't
beaten the ranked team since Moby Dick was a guppy?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
What do you got?
Speaker 7 (24:09):
You believe in Bryce Underwood the true freshman. We saw
him on the road against Oklahoma and Norman and I
actually picked him the win that game. So I was
wrong on that one. So I'm not getting stad by
them again. Like I said, it's gonna be a rocking atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I like Dylan Royola at quarterback. I know people think
of him.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
As just a costplayer Patrick mahomes, but he wasn't number
one quarter I look like Patrick mahomee. He actually was
number one quarterback out of high school, so he has
some talent there. He's not just a gimmick. I think
they get it done at home.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I really do what?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Man, that is so sophomore, if you couldn't be any
more sophomore. Let me tell you.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Bryce Underwood, as you mentioned, is about to go out
there and show y'all why there's a Let me tell
you something. There's a reason he's a true freshman, because
he's a truth. He's the truth, and he's gonna go
out there and get this done. You acting like Tommy
Fraser walking through that door. This ain't the mid nineties
Wood Nebraska was good, man, you know, lost your mind
right now?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I love it, but I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
That's fair.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Okay, we'll see we'll talk soon. All right, who next?
Take number two? Sticking in the Big Ten Conference? USC's
three and oh what'd you say?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Big ten?
Speaker 1 (25:14):
That just sounds so weird. I know, they're just like
the Big Night.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
Yeah, come on, so I used to the packed twelve
USC Big ten? Oh god, USC three and oh open?
The season average margin of victory on the year thirty
eight and a half points a game. Mark's like, Nah,
how do they suck? They're overrated. They're gonna lose at
least four to five games this season. Mark tellas why? Yeah,
I mean, this is a joke.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
They played Missouri State, Georgia Southern, and Purdue, and of
course you're gonna win those games.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
But now they're ranked what twenty five?
Speaker 7 (25:46):
I believe they still gotta play at Illinois versus Michigan,
at Notre Dame at Nebraska, and all those games are
in a row. By the way, after this week they
played Michigan State at home. They probably beat Michigan State
at home. But after that they probably lose three of
these four games. They will not be ranked here pretty soon.
I'm not buying Lincoln Riley. It's just all fluff.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You know what this is.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Graduation worthy always say congratulates, shut up.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Even though I teach them. I'm with you on this.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Lincoln Riley, they paid him like he was one big game,
but he hadn't one of these big game jet and
I think I take Abraham Lincoln over Lincoln Riley right now.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Absolutely, Mark you graduated.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I always say, congratulates, shut up.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Lincoln Riley is like Trevor Lawrence. Y'all keep telling me
he's coming. Hold on, it's code. Just give him somedings
coching man. Listen, there, you already looked at the schedule.
That middle of the schedule there with Michigan Notre Dame,
and then you got Nebraska, and.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Then you didn't even mention. A couple of weeks later
they'll be playing Oregon.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
So yeah, they're gonna end up losing a handful of games,
and they will have had the Heisman Trophy winner for
a couple of years. They had it this season and
nothing to show for it in all of this Lincoln
Riley era.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
All right, Take number three college kids, Mark Gunnell Sports
Personality Year with the odd couple talking Big Ten football.
Last take of the night, The hottest taking the night
Oregon quarterback Dante Moore. He's the best quarterback in the
Big Ten, even better than that fraud Drew Aller. He's
gonna play this weekend at ben State.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Now this weekend they played next week.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
It's coming up.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
The beat down is coming about the ass Oregon and
Penn State. Tell us why I feel bad for you too, man,
because he came from your Ucla.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
So this is more salt in the wound. Saw you
Ucla grads out there. Dante Moore started his freshman year Ucla,
got benched. He wasn't quite ready, but this is a
guy that was a five star prospect. He's in a
great system now in Oregon. I love their schedule, so
I mean, outside of this Penn State game next week,
they could probably run the table. I think they're gonna
be Penn State. Actually, Drew Aller, he's fine, but he's
(27:50):
not consistent. He makes a great hero. He makes good throws,
but then he'll make up. He's like a Trevor Lawrence
and I hate to say that. I'm a big Trevor
Lawrence guy.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I used to be.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
At least I'm on the fence. Now he'll make one
flashy throw and then you have two bad throws after that.
So I like Dante Moore. I think they win next
week at Penn State, and I think he's gonna prove
to be the best quarterback in the Big Ten this season.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Glad Calvin, you could go first, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
That's sophomore.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I wasn't mad at it.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
You were like, if the passing grade had to be
a three point oh, you had a two point nine,
You're almost there. I wasn't mad at you, but I
want to see a little bit more from him, and
also too, you know, these Oregon quarterbacks, they all put
up good numbers, but ultimately don't know, I don't know
how good they really are. It's almost like the system
allows for them to go put up crazy numbers. How
(28:37):
some people might feel about Kyle Shanahan and his offenses,
So he's really good And at the end, if we
did this same question the same take in about six weeks,
I might agree with you, But right now, I'm not
buying it. Right now, I'm still going with a couple
of people ahead of him, as in Drew Allar being
number one in the Big ten.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, I'm gonna say Sophomooric as well back and act
and Kelvin is right.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I don't know if you.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Could say what you're saying right here right now. Could
that change with a big win? Oh, you know what
I mean, and some other performances, But right now I'm
not buying that More is the best quarterback.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Well, we'll come back after they beat Penn State.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Okay, bove that might be the game that might change
the way I look at it, But going into that game,
I'm not buying it.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I can't no way know how mister Mark Donnell's.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Rob said he ain't buying it, like it's a two
hundred dollars shirt in TJ Max or Ross.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
He ain't buying it, that's right.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I'm gonna wait till they market down the twenty four
to ninety nine and then I might buy it.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Hey, don't be trying to act different because marketing there.
You know you ain't buying it unless it's twelve ninety
nine to nineer.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
You better stop it.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
That might be the case. He ain't full of me.
He ain't full of me.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Know that good stuff.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Mark.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Appreciate you, brother, thank you for coming into it. Appreciate it. Yeah,
any time, anytime, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
All right.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
That is the college kids, and we'll do it again
next week as well. Always a good time with that.
We got to talk about speaking to college There's a
college quarterback that we were sold some wolf tickets on
and I want my money back.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
We'll talk about it.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Nex Sistiya Couple, Rob and Kelvin on The TV Things
on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm Eastern,
four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I don't know this one, Rob, what's this one. Toyler Moore,
Oh yeah, you're right, You're right, yep.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
But you know what's crazy?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Allen? Do you notice too?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
In the early one, the first show, when it first started,
at the end, he says, she might just make it,
and then and then they changed it that you're gonna
make it.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
The first one was she might just make it.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I don't know, she really gonna make it.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, and then and then they change it to make
it that she was gonna make it. But at first
it was like she just might be.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
They just I don't know things right.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
We'll see on things single woman on our own in Minneapolis.
But back then Mary Tyler Moore throwing her hat up
in the middle. I mean, it's a great It was
a great show. Mary Talamore. Of course, she's on the
Dick Van Dyke Show as well.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
She had a couple of yeps.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Yep, it is they couple Robert Kelvin on the TV thing.
So on Thursday, shut up, Alex, if you miss any
of today's show, you're gonna want to catch the podcast.
Just search Oye Couple wherever you get your podcasts, and
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Speaker 3 (31:42):
That's right, Just search the Eye Couple wherever you get.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Your podcasts, you'll find today's full show and the best
of a version right when we get done with all
the yaki yak as well.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
All right, Roger and the Dolphins are winning seven to
seven after one quarter, so they're winning.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
That's a win for that. That's see, that's the gambler.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That's what we are now that weekend.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
As long as they do.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
You got twelve minut a half points, so you're you're good.
They're winning, they're winning.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, uh Rob g arch Manning.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
I think we've been sitting on this topic for about
a week, okay, because arch Manning got booed at his
home stadium in Texas.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
That's how bad he's been. He's been horrible.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
You know how bad he has to be for you
to get booed a couple of reasons. One you're in
a home team. Two because you are a Manning. You
know how bad you have to be playing right now?
Speaker 6 (32:26):
This has been terrible, and so now everybody and their mother,
anybody who's like a real draft or NFL college football
analyst trying to figure out what's wrong with Arch Like
he is the Heisman front runner, the odds on number
one pick, and he has just been flat out Charles Barkley.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Durable, He's been durable, terrible and really bad.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Uh Todd McShay said on his latest column that when
he watches Arch Manning play, it's like quote, watching a
frustrated golfer swing or tracking the beats of a broken metronome,
all of that, rather than to just say that he
hasn't played well.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Why can't he just not play well?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
It's always like something else, and he's a frustrated golfer.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
You we know he's on the PGA Tour, but he's
just frustrated right now.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
No, how about he hasn't lived up to the expectations
that people had him as the best quarterback and he's
gonna go there, it's gonna come out and go to
the NFL and this and that, and it's the Arch
Manning sweet steaks and Jerry Jones wants him and you
know on all this other stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
How about just that he hasn't played well enough so far.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
See, that's because you're not a DJ rob. You don't
get the metro Dome to the sinks of the beasts
per minute. You're not really sticking with.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
It's boom boom, boom boom. Man. Let me tell you something.
Here's the issue with Arch number one.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
We were sold he's always a heisman already, he's gonna
be the number one pick already.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
It's easy.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
We're like, all right, Dan, we never really we didn't
really get to see him last year, but okay, all right.
Maybe here's been the issue Rob for a couple of
things from me. When you watch him, it's not like, uh,
you know, maybe his receips aren't there for him. They're
still just trying to get some things going. These are
remedial issues that are that are happening. We're talking about
his feet, footwork not being great, his feet not being
(34:10):
in the right places. We're talking about when you go
to the manning camps, and that's what I was about
to say. We're talking about his arm angles being off,
missing deep balls, missing guys across the field, throwing turnovers
in the red zone against much lesser than schools. And
that's part of the issue because we thought, hey, if
nothing else, his mechanics will be right based off with
(34:32):
his grandfather and his two uncles are also. He's having
issues when he's at Texas when he has everything at
his disposal, right, he has from the practice facilities, from
the best players. Steve Sarkisian is supposed to be this
offensive guru. So it's not like he's doing it at
Old Min Family Live Mannings right. He's not doing this
(34:52):
where Eli was at Old Miss trying to make it happen.
He's doing this at Texas where this is supposed to
be everything given there, and it's he's not his first season.
He's not a true freshman like Bryce Underwood. He got
some chances to play a handful of games last year.
Come in here there, you would think all right got
his feet under him. He should be in a good situation.
And lastly, Rob g and I were talking, and the
(35:13):
more you watch him, you look at that arm, you
start to question is he okay?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Is or something to it? Is he hurt?
Speaker 5 (35:18):
But he's been underwhelming. And I said this when we
were you were on vac I said, he's absolutely gonna
come back next year, even if he were to, you know,
have a really good year. I said he was gonna
come back because he's not in a rush nil money.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
He's got money. He's fine. And also him and his.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Family arene all about legacy and the name, and I
thought he would come back.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
He has to come back now, Rob. It ain't no
doubt about it. I don't give it.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Dang.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
If he ends up winning eight, nine, ten in a row,
he has to come back now.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
If he plays well and lights it up the last
eight or nine weeks, I don't think he's coming back.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
What he absolutely is coming up, I said.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
If he plays really well, I.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Don't give it.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
If he goes to know and and throws three hundred
yards a game, he's coming back next year. I thought
he was coming back before the season started. I'm for
sure he's coming back now.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Rob, Yeah, I'm not so sure. I mean, obviously based
off of the early play. Sure, because it hasn't been crisp.
But it hasn't been what people expected. He's the greatest
prospect since Andrew Luck. We heard all the press clippings
and all the college the NFL analysts who are all
singing his praises and how good he is and what
(36:31):
they expect and all that kind of stuff, and it
hasn't panned out, you know, not not yet at least,
and it doesn't mean everybody's not the same.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Some people will late Bloomers. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Obviously that his last name helps, but he's gotta he's
gotta make it happen.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
You know, it's all let lined up for him. But
it doesn't mean that you get there.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
No, so, my you were gone.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
So I don't know if you got a chance to hear,
but I was telling Rogie, I absolutely believe he's coming back.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Even if he.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Would have said anson winning a Heisman and a national
championship all at once, I absolutely believe he was coming
back anyway. I just don't think he's in a rush.
I don't think he needs you know, I gotta get
out of here. I gotta get my mama a house.
He doesn't have to leave.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Matt Liner didn't come out, and it was a mistake.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
I just don't when you're ready to go, all you
do is when you don't is give more people reason
to pick your game apart. And the other part is,
which is a part of football, is that you could
wind up getting hurt, and so that's what you don't
want to play another If you've done all that stuff,
what would be your reason of coming back, so you
could break a collar bone, so you could break an arm,
(37:39):
so you could break a leg.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
I'm serious.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Like, if my advice to anybody who is going to
be if he played that well, is going to be
the number one pick. Whenever you're the number one pick,
you should take that. It's just you can't be higher
than number one. He ain't gonna be the number one
pick now, No, no, I hear you. Even if he wasn't,
I think he's different. King cat Liner went from one
(38:02):
to ten, and his career path and what happened to
him might have changed had he been the number one pick,
you know what I mean, and then went to a
different organization and people didn't look a little different at
him because they were like, wait a minute, this guy
doesn't want to play in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Who wants to go back to college. You know, when
you have a situation, we have a chance to.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Be his best life.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
He was the NFL team boy, NFL's King in America, Well, Dagga,
Them USC teams were the NFL teams of La Boy.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
He was living.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
But if he could do it all over again, he
changed his mind.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
I don't know, he might have been them LA years,
the mid two thousands, pre social media. That boy was
living for sure. He got stuff. Thank god we didn't
have camera phones back then.
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