July 11, 2024 • 38 mins
Chris and Rob rip the Pittsburgh Pirates for pulling rookie phenom Paul Skenes after he threw 7 innings of no-hit ball and tell us why Tyreek Hill is being disingenuous when he says Baker Mayfield is a top-5 quarterback in the NFL right now. Plus, NBA champion Spencer Haywood swings by to discuss what he liked about Team USA’s debut against Team Canada, what he appreciates most about LeBron James and much more!
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they would Rob, NBA Champion, Olympic gold medalist.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
The man that.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Created Rob was responsible for hardship in the NBA, which meant,
you know, guys could go to the NBA early from
college and he's a wall sued DNA, fought it and
won and was a great player. Was a fantastic player
(01:27):
to be good to have him on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
In about thirty minutes.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Rob I'm ticked, I'm upset, I'm at my wits end.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
And it had something to do with baseball.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yes, wow, why oh why does it keep happening.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I know, I know what your analytics say, I know
what the trend is, but the fact is it ain't working.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Guys are still getting hurt.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I'm not saying eliminate pitch counts and all that altogether.
But when someone who is having a legendary start to
a career, someone who can bring eyeballs to baseball that
usually are on baseball, someone who, on average his average
(02:41):
fastballs darn near one.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Hundred miles an hour, not his best.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
His average fastball darn near one hundred miles an hour,
he is rob We talked about Fernando Valenzuela a few
days ago.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Fernando Mania, Yes, nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Right, Well, Paul Schemes with his eighty nine strikeouts his
one point nine zero ERA this season, he has the
most strikeouts with a sub two point zero ER three
eleven starts since RORA became an official statistic in nineteen thirteen.
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The second guy with the most was Vealezuela in nineteen
eighty one.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
He had seventy.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Nine my point. I say all that to say this.
You heard Steve de Seger say it earlier. Paul Schemes,
who has taken the major leagues by storm, just got
drafted out of lsu Is has been the best pitcher
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in the league since he's you know what made when
he started throwing. He had a no hitter going through
six was his six or seven innies? A no hitter
going through seven innings?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Eleven K's was mowing them down in Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Oh, but he threw ninety nine pitches, never mind.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
That sixty five of them were strikes.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
He wasn't getting weary, but the analytics geeks were getting scared.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Ninety nine pitches, no hitter? Who cares? History in the making.
Who cares? The fans who paid top dollar and want
to see something special? Who cares? They took him out, Rob.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
And his replacement gave up a hit with the quickness
that would be Yo combined and no hitter. The Pirates
still won, but they lost the no hitter, and more importantly,
Paul Skeens lost the no hitter and Rob.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I'm tired of it. I'm sick of it.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
It's hard for me to push back or argue on
this because I'm with you. I just do not understand
the thought process. This is a young guy, a rookie, Chris.
Give him a chance. Hey, if he gives up a hit,
or you know, he walks somebody or you know where,
it's obvious. Okay, maybe he's tiring or something. But to
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just take it out of his hands makes no sense
to me. Paul Skeins has been so impressive Chris, and
I'm not this prisoner of the moment.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Hey put him in the All Star Game? Do this?
Do that?
Speaker 6 (05:49):
His numbers are worthy, Like you just brought up Fernando Valezuela.
When you start to mention, go look at some of
the other pictures he's link with. You know who carry
wood to pitch for the Cubs.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
You remember him.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Chris was a fireball. Dwight Good and Doctor k pitched
for the Mets. He's in He's in the territory with
all those guys. Yep, Mark Fidrich. The Bird Chris pitched
and started the All Star Game in nineteen seventy six
after only eleven starts.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
So I love remember the Bird. He was exciting, He
brought like color. You know, he was charismatic and all.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
That, but but he pitched only he only had eleven starts. Chris.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
He started the All Star Game for them. He's the
biggest thing in baseball. The Skeens is in the right.
What I'm saying, I'd make him the starter is what
I'm saying, Like, oh yeah, he should be. He should
start the game us. But the idea that they keep
robbing us, they're, you know, in trying to, you know,
safeguard people.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
People still get hurt.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Even with all these kid gloves going around, Chris, it
doesn't stop people from getting hurt. People are still getting
hurt and whatnot. So I don't know what the kid
gloves are all about. And the other thing I don't
like is you're robbing the fans.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Of some history and you don't go to the ballpark
all the time.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
I watched David Wells pitch a perfect game against the
Minnesota Twins, Chris at Yankees. I remember it, and I
remember his stuff, and I was like, can you imagine
had they taken him out, because oh my god, how
many pictures he's thrown. It's ridiculous. Give the guy a chance.
Somebody gets a hte Chris, and it's broken up. Okay,
it's over right. We're gonna leave you in kid until you.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
If you got it.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
And now it's just like, well, ninety nine pitchers, we
need to get him out of there. We don't need
to because we don't want to burn him out. We
don't want to do that.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
What a young kid, the prime of his life. What's
wrong with these guys? Ron, We talked about it yesterday.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
How you know Willie Mays and Hank Air and May
twenty plus all Star games? Will we ever see it again?
No one's made twelve more than twelve straight. The injury
since Mariano right, the injuries guys back in the day,
ninety nine pitches was nothing.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
What do we always bring up Nolan Ryan the two
thirty five? What he pitches? Yeah, in a game?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
And Rob he ended up pitching till he was what
forty six in his forties.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But he had he unbelievable and threw hard as anybody.
He was the hardest thrower at that time. Yep, So
I'm like and schemes.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
By the way, Rob, and I was alluding to this
at the start of the segment. His average fastball velocity
is ninety nine miles an hour average. You know, what
the average is in the in MLB among the starting
pitchers ninety three, ninety three, you're right, ninety three.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
So this dude on averages throw at ninety nine and
Chris I was right.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
It was June fourteenth, nineteen seventy four, Nolan Ryan threw
two hundred and thirty five pitches Chris in a start
against the Red Sox. His stat line it was a
thirteen inning game, Chris, Nobody didn't the bullpen didn't come in.
Two hundred and thirty five pitches hitching Reddy, thirteen innings,
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nineteen strikeouts, He walked ten guys and.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
He faced fifty eight batters. Can you bly didn't even
miss a start? No, he pitched his next start.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
He absolutely did, because I did read that in thinking, well,
did that cost him a start or two?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
After?
Speaker 6 (09:28):
No, he made his next start. Can you imagine a
manager coming to getting Olan Ryan rob here in the
in look.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It bears repeating because I've said it before, as we've
talked about this, because I'm sure the analytics, we know,
they're telling them it's just better for the picture. You're
saving his arm, which there's no, we don't see the
evidence because guys keep getting hurt now it seems more
than ever. But maybe there's something else they'll say, because
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it's maybe not in this case. I don't see how
they would have in this case, But other cases, Rob,
they'll say, well, this is the third time or fourth
time around that they're seeing this pitcher right the lineup.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Well, can I stop that? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:11):
He retired his final sixteen Chris right, striking out eight
of them. This is like his final sixteen batters right
that he faced, Right and Schemes now is the only
player in Major League Baseball history to have multiple games
with six plus innings. Chris pitched zero hits and allowed
as a rookie in a rookie season. So think about that.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
They're taking away moments, Rob, They're taking away moments. The
no hitters always been special, always been special.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
It is special, you know how they're taking it away.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
As I told you before, as a guy Chris who
goes to baseball games, who covered baseball since nineteen eighty six,
I haven't seen that many no hitters, you know, like
it doesn't happen every day. I just gave you the
perfect game of David Wells against the Twins, and I
remember it.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And I remember it because it is special.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
You don't see that every day you go to the ballpark, right,
and now they're they're taking away those moments. I don't
care if you think it's more effective to bring in
a reliever who's got a fresh arm at.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
The end of the day.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
This is entertainment too. These are this is about creating
memories too. There's there were young kids there, Rob at
the game who would have loved to have seen a
no hitter. They would have been able to tell that
story their entire lives. Now it's gone. The shift, Rob,
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It's the same thing as the shift. The shift was
great strategically.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
It's like, and this isn't good for the game. When
you take the ball out of the player's hands. Chris,
let the players decide, not the managers. In some geek
with a pencil protector. He's there stopping. We saw them
do this to even Clayton Kershaw. You remember a couple
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of years ago, Chris, he had a perfect game going.
I don't and they were like, whoa, we're trying to
save him from getting hurt.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
He still got hurt. That year they took him out,
he still got hurt. What are you doing a chance
to pitch a perfect game.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Let him walk the guy in he ate to start
the eighth Chris, if he walks a guy, or if
he gives up a hit, then you take him out.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
What is right?
Speaker 6 (12:33):
He might have got a first pitch pop up, you
know what I mean, and got out of the inning
after giving up eight pitches.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
And n I.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Don't think it had anything to do with them thinking
he you know, oh he's losing it.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
No, no, no, not gonna be able to stay hot.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I think it was totally like they got a rule right,
you don't get more than one hundred pitches or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
It's just terrible because look, these games, we need star
we need superstars, We need big names. And players become
in any of the sports, they become big names by
doing the incredible and one of the incredible things is
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the no hitter.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
And yet just this Chris.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
So, the manager was questioned about the whole thing after
the game, and uh, the you know, the media pushed
back and said, was this analytics and asked him that directly,
and he said no, it wasn't, which of course company line,
but he said, Chris, it was the eye test. The
eye test is that he retired sixteen straight right and
struck out eight of them.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I would say, what eye tests?
Speaker 6 (13:43):
What did you see when he was retiring sixteen in
a row that made you think.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
He was losing it? What? What? What was it? He
struck out a guy, He struck out a guy on
five pitches instead of three. Is that when he was
losing it? Right?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I mean, come on, he eight yah, eight of those
guys went down strikeout right, eight of those last sixteen.
It's just look, it's just baseball getting in its own
way again, Rob. They've made some good decisions with the pitch,
they've changed the stolen bases back and all that, but
it's just I'm sorry, like analytics just it's like takes
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all the fun out.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Of the big time in some ways.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
You know, Rob g tell us, I think you have
the breakdown the Yeah, so they said he was tired
the eye test. That's what the manager said to it,
that he looked tired. Christ the manager, Derek Shelton. Here
are the speeds of the last six or he threw
seven pitches in the seventh inning, so it's not like
he was laboring there at the end. Ninety seven mile
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hour fastball eighty one curve, ninety one splitter, ninety three splitter,
eighty one curve, ninety three splitter, and new Crip talked
about it, and he looked tired and to get him
out of there.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Ninety three is the average pitch, that's the pitch in
the major legth and that was a splitter. He's trying
to splitter right now.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
That's just And that's the thing about Skins like he's
I mean, as hard as he throws, he's got more.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Than just he looks older than he does. Yeah, he
definitely does.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
He has an older look to him like that. No doubt,
he definitely does, no doubt. I hope Rob that he
stays healthy because this dude is you know, and you
mentioned you mentioned the Carrie Woods and you know, like
good even Fernando didn't go on you know what I
mean to like have the career that that would equate
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to the hot start, right, I hope this kid does.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
He looks like it, Chris, he is a box office
licial so far all right?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fix, Robin. I don't
like it.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
They're taking away no hitters in baseball. It's happening regularly now.
To the point where it's almost not even a big
deal that they cut short of a possible no hit.
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Speaker 6 (17:23):
Your thoughts, HB in Vegas. You're on the couple of
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Speaker 2 (17:31):
What's up?
Speaker 11 (17:32):
HB? Going on? Guys? First time caller, love the show, Thank.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
You, thank you.
Speaker 11 (17:36):
You guys aren't going to believe this, But I was
in that game in Minnesota. I gainst the Dogs Clayton
Kershaw's perfect game that he got pulled from. What you
guys forgot to mention is that it was eighty pitches
right and four outs to go.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
No, I know it was eighty pitchers and they wouldn't
let him start the eighth inning, though, wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It was?
Speaker 7 (17:55):
So?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Were you on the opponent? Were you on the opposing
he said he was at the game. Oh, I thought
you said you were in the again.
Speaker 11 (18:03):
No no, no, no, no. I'm an LA guy living in Vegas.
So me and my girl we take a trip to
go to the Dodgers once a year and this and
taking a Dodgers Stadium road trip once once a year also.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
But so, how upset were you as a fan? Oh?
Speaker 11 (18:16):
It was crazy because obviously you know the history of
the Dodgers, Rob, You'll know that Dodgersen's World Series, the
Lefty Cofax, he threw a perfect game and that was
the last time that you know, something like that happened
between these two teams. Word. So I'm explaining this to
my girl, you know. And when he didn't come out
like you said, I feel like it robbed something from.
Speaker 12 (18:35):
Us his fans.
Speaker 11 (18:36):
So it was it was too bad.
Speaker 13 (18:38):
Rob.
Speaker 11 (18:38):
I don't know if you're still pursuing that comedy thing,
but man, you got to tell that joke again. You
almost made me crash my car during the early couple
where you said I told my ex wife like pat
Riley told the nick, you're the old lady.
Speaker 12 (18:47):
Are all out? I heard you say that again.
Speaker 11 (18:49):
You gotta add it back to the rotation. That was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I appreciate it. Hey, that's something Rob never here.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
So good on you Van you Wow, that's good compliment.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Now, no doubt. When is your next stand up? I
don't you know what, Chris.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
To be honest, the reason I haven't planned anything is
I'm just so busy with sports rap radio, you know
what I mean. Like it's still in the infancy stage,
so it's just a lot of work. But yeah, and
and by September in the fall, I want to get
back on the stage for sure. All right, Will in Kentucky,
you're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
What's up?
Speaker 13 (19:25):
Well, Hey, guys, love the show.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 13 (19:29):
We go back to like the mid two thousands and
we're talking about Carrie Wood.
Speaker 12 (19:34):
But there's also.
Speaker 13 (19:35):
Another picture in that mix that was Mark Peal and
he of course had the catastrophic arm injuries too, And
I think that right there it started scaring all all
the management into playing moneyball, and that's what it relates to.
Now we look at Steven Strasburg coming out.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, no, I get it. Strasburg's in that group too.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
You're mentioning Chris about doing stuff at a young ageburg
it was phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Is Grady came back and had that world series, But yeah,
it just unfortunately.
Speaker 12 (20:07):
Exactly.
Speaker 13 (20:08):
And and also I think that you know, since the
seventies and eighties in the early nineties, we're our pictures
are training at at earlier age, and it's so much
more refined into these motions. We've got all this computer
analyzation going on, and and these guys are stretching their
gaps and they're really, you know, pushing their arms to
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the macs.
Speaker 12 (20:32):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Do you think this is good? You think this is bad?
I assume he's saying bad.
Speaker 11 (20:39):
No.
Speaker 13 (20:39):
I mean, I think that's why the statistics are saying, hey.
Speaker 12 (20:44):
We've got to pull these guys.
Speaker 11 (20:45):
I hate it.
Speaker 13 (20:46):
I'll be honestly, I hate it. If a guy's got
a no hitter.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Let them pitch right, let them finish.
Speaker 13 (20:51):
Do you think that the Braves have Robby or Ronaldo
Lopez going They don't have a whole lot of money
invested in him, right right, They're gonna let him finis
They're don't let him finish his no hitter. But if
it's Spencer Strider, you know.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
It's just crazy that a kid likes skiens ninety nine pitches,
Chris throwing the ball, well, thanks for the call, appreciate it,
you know, and all that that that they just didn't
give the kid a chance. He's having that unbelievable start
to a career.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
You know, I think it's not even it's not even
just in the case of no hitters. I just think
that the evidence, you know, that these pitch counts are
helping pictures is not there.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I mean, I'm sure there's they got evidence in that.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
As far as guys getting hurt, it's like we expect
them to get hurt, and.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
People still getting hurt.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
All that we talk about in the NBA load management,
people still get hurt Chris.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
So I'm not buying that.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Ye all right, Uh, it's the couple, Chris and a rib.
We got Spencer Haywood around the corner.
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Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yes, We're waiting on Spencer Haywood and NBA champion Olympic
gold Medals nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Spencer, Welcome to the eye cancer.
Speaker 12 (22:13):
Hey, thank you fellows for having me on this great
god given day. My gosh, what a The last few
days have just been so awesome to me. It's been
like a blessing awesome hanging in with the president Obummer
and being around all of the young players and people
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walking up to them and asking them, do y'all know
what this guy did for you? I didn't have to go,
you know, like about head and scratches on my knees saying, hey, guys,
this is what I did.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
But dude, we were talking.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
We mentioned that earlier when we you know, introduced that
you'd be on.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
The show at the top of this hour.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
You, of course, you know, went took it, made a
legal case about being able to go hardship, and you
won and created what we see now all the time.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Did the players know that you did that or were they.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Just finding out as fans were saying it to them.
Speaker 12 (23:19):
Yeah, but just just a few players are getting the
idea of it because you know, you have the Larry
Bird rule, you have the Oscar Robinson rule, but Larry
Bird don't have the rule. They created it for Larry Bird.
But because my rule had the tag of hey would
(23:41):
versus the NBA. The NBA feels a little shy about
that Supreme Court ruling, which was you know, at a
crucial time in basketball in nineteen seven. It wasn't March
first that I won the case in the front of
Thirdood March and all the other justices, and from that case,
(24:03):
from nineteen seventy one until right now, we're looking at
sixty five billion dollars for players in their revenue, meaning
that players have the right to leave college or some
not to even go to college by Cobe Lebron. So
you get it four years on your planned career, but
(24:27):
not only that, you're getting it on your stat you
get it on your life work. When we look at
Lebron Jeams, I mean, now I got two generations of
the same family playing on the mac bobleple that's under
the Rooklyn. So the NBA says, you gotta be good
the world for the game at four o'clock. I'm like, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I see that's how I always say.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Spencer Hayward Kurt Flood are two of the most important
athletes Chris Kurt Flood. As you know, Spencer gave up
his real suit baseball. Now he lost, but that opened
up free agency for players. He lost in the Supreme Court,
but it did open up the uh, the situation where
free agency for all sports, not just baseball, is from that.
(25:14):
And we know what you did for uh the NBA
and college basketball.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So kudos.
Speaker 12 (25:20):
Yeah. Well, Skirt was speaking to me at one time
and when he came back just before he passed about, Man,
I'm going around these baseball players. They have no idea
because they brought him right after all of those years
in the Islands. You know, he had to stay over
there and he was exiled from the United States.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, he doesn't get in the credit, no or the
recognition credit at all.
Speaker 12 (25:47):
Right, but what happened me is when he was at
the Supreme Court, they delayed his justice by saying next
to next. The following year they gave it to and
then Muscle smith.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Yep Andy message was signed a free agent deal with
the Atlanta Braids.
Speaker 10 (26:05):
Absolutely, okay, okay, Spencer, let me ask you this because
you I mean you, so you win your case, you
go into the ABA in nineteen six, Yeah, well did
you went to Denver?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Right?
Speaker 12 (26:25):
I went to Denver from the University of Detroit. So
Rob knows what bam it is over in Detarite right right.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And you you were the MVP of the ABA.
Speaker 12 (26:38):
I was the MVP, the rookie of the year.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Thirty points, nineteen and a half rebounds a game. It
was like, you, Domin, let me ask you this, how
do you compare? Because I've started you know, the ABA
was a great league, and I know they used to
beat the NBA in a lot of exhibition games.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
How did you you that was the only year in
the A B A.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
How do you compare the A B A to the
NBA at that time?
Speaker 12 (27:07):
Well, the a BA is what you see today in
today's basketball, where the NBA was like a button down,
you know, shirt kind of kind of team kind of play.
And when we got up when I came over the NBA,
I was told, well, you got to have a brown,
(27:29):
black and a gray suit. That's it, you know. And
so when we came over from the ABA, we had throws.
We had these big old giant mustache and beer. They
were like shaved that stuff down, son, this the real.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Wow.
Speaker 12 (27:46):
So we had big bail bottom shoes on, I mean
bail bottom pants would like it was just you know,
like we were like superfly right, Oh yeah, okay, wow.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
But let me let me ask you do you think
that and this is I'm just do you think people
don't take the a BA as seriously as they should
because of that red, white and blue basketball. I really
like it looks like it's not real, yeah, own or
you know what I mean, like a circus kind of deal,
the Harlem Globe trotters.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Like it doesn't look real.
Speaker 12 (28:23):
Yeah. But then in order for you to win the
three point shootout contest for the NBA at halftime at
the All Star Game, which ball do you use?
Speaker 11 (28:34):
The moneyball?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
That's right, they do have the money right, so Spencer
you also.
Speaker 12 (28:44):
Yeah, And one other thing I was talking with George
Gerbin and Julius I Ivin and some of the other
guys who played in the ABA when they went back
into the Negro League in baseball and put their stats
all together not match what the NBA it's thinking about
doing is bringing our stats into the whole picture. And
(29:07):
that's going to change the whole perspective in terms of
a guy like Julius and George and David Thompson don't numbers.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
No, that's a great point.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
We actually talked about that Rob and I when they
when they did that change with the negro leagues, and
I think they should because again the ABA, I think
was just as good as the NBA.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
You also won what.
Speaker 12 (29:32):
Was that it took everything from the ABA.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Right, yep, yep they did.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
You're right, the dunk contest, the three point Julier leaders.
Now you won goal in the Olympics in nineteen sixty eight.
And it's our last question. But now you know, you
look at the NBA and you see the last six
MVPs international players the first team all NBA, four of
(30:02):
the five players international. The international guys are really you know,
taking over, taking over the league to some degree.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 12 (30:13):
Because we, as American players, we play AAU six games
on the weekend, no practice. The European players play two
games on the weekend and they practice for five games
of four games during the week. Fundamentals, running up heels,
(30:33):
doing different things. My brother is still coaching in France.
But this is we have to now focus back in
on the AAU coaches who are coaching. We have to
bring this thing back into Houston, bring it back at
home now because we're getting we're falling behind because of
the lack of fundamentals, and you know, the people at
(30:56):
the AAU, people are just running the thing with Matt
and so we got to put some money behind it.
We got to let those high school coaches and those
junior high school coaches come back into the av I
mean to the AAU and like, bring out a league,
bring it, bring our status back up, because we just
roll it out of basketball on the weekend and like,
(31:17):
let's go for it. Parents are fighting with referees and
come on, yeah, not basketball, this is on American Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Nah, you're you're right. It's it's we are falling behind.
And I think you hit it on the head.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Spencer, heywood Man, Spencer, great having you on. So we
really have you on for a whole hour and just
talk about so much. But we appreciate you giving us
a few minutes.
Speaker 12 (31:44):
I appreciate you, brothers, and thank you so much, and
God bless you both.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Always, so thank you, buddy, great Spencer, Heywood. It's The
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Speaker 1 (32:28):
Rob tyreek Hill is a obviously an incredible wide receiver.
He's also a great SoundBite. Whether you agree with him
or not. Oftentimes you'll disagree with him. He'll say some stuff.
I will give him that. He says some stuff and Rob.
(32:50):
Recently on Instagram, he was asked Instagram Live.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Who is top five quarterbacks are in the NFL? And
Rob he said.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
He started out giving props to his former QB that
he won a Super Bowl with Patrick Mahomes, then went Tua,
which is makes sense as his quarterback now Lamar.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Jackson, Dak Prescott. And this one will surprise you, Rob
Baker Mayfield. Okay, I.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Can't take these things seriously only because no, no Chris,
because of the first two guys he picked or guys
he worked with or played with.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (33:43):
So right away you already know where it's going, especially
with two would be a number two because you can't
feel like you.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Gotta say no. But that's what I'm just saying. Once
you can get away with putting mahomes at.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
Him, but once you do that, I just don't have
like the list doesn't mean anything to me, Like, Okay,
he plays in the NFL. He's a great receiver, and
he's played with some great quarterbacks. Dak Press got to
And I don't know based on what like like is
this is this, uh so so so.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Other guys who have.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
Played in the league or playing in the league. I
don't I don't know what it's based on. I'm rob
I think it would be.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Right now entering this season, I think you that be
hard pressed to make a case. And and Baker, look
I I Baker. I'm gonna give him credit for some
stuff he's done. He's played well in Tampa. He went
there basically trying to salvage his career or at the
very least his career as a starter right not making
(34:51):
any money.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
And he has turned him into a playoff team or
led them to the playoffs. Shouldn't say turned him into
one but led him to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
So Baker, now he has solidified his spot as a
bona fide starter in this league, and I give him
credit for that.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
So I don't want to take anything away from.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Him, but Rob, you can make easily make an argument
that not only is he not top five in the league.
I mean, I don't think anybody thinks he's top five
in the league, but that he's not top five in
the NFC.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
You got Dak.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
You've got Jared Goff, You've got Jordan Love, You've got
Matt Stafford, You've got Brock Purdy. And I didn't even
mention Jalen Hurts just because he was coming off a
bad year. But that's six right there. And I didn't
(35:56):
even mention Kirk Cousins. So I just I mean, like
you said, everybody can have their own.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Opinion, right, that's fine. I just don't put any stock
in it, you know what I mean? Once I see
see what the you know, I don't know if he uh,
it just it's just all over the map. It just
doesn't It doesn't like add up because you just bought
and named a number of people, right.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I mean, any of those names, You're like, no no, no, no,
he can't be ahead of Baker, right.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I mean, if you want to say, well, Jordan Love's
only done it one year, but you know, okay, but okay,
rock Pardy what he's got too much talent around. I mean,
like he's done a lot more so it's it's odd,
you know, and people love like quarterback. It's interesting because
(36:53):
obviously Tyreek loves.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
It, but also I believe that they like people, you
know what I mean, Like Chris, we talked about it
all the time.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
They kick it with yeah, like oh that's my boy,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
So I'm gonna put them like I can't make a
list with that, like those things I think factor in
because they don't want to upset somebody, you know what
I mean. So they always have kind of like you
feel like you're working, uh like like you can't offend
people you're cool with or working with.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Well, it's what you and I always tell athletes that
move into this space that you don't go out of
your way to offend guys, but you gotta call it
like it is. And we've told Perk Perk. Perk is
really taking that to heart.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Rob Like Perk has destroyed some relationships.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
You know, Barkley Rob the best to do it right,
to make that transition with Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
They're with buds. They no bud, They're not buds anymore.
Speaker 12 (37:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, but you just gotta hopefully relationships aren't destroyed.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
And we don't want to see that, but you do.
This is your job.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
And if you don't call it like you see it,
if you don't, Chris, you know, say what a lot
of times we all see, we've seen them.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
You're not gonna have the credibility.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
We've seen the meat grinder of a lot of these
former athletes who try to get into the business and
they just keep coming and going.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
They keep coming and going. Yep. The ones that stay
tell it like it is all right, keep it locked.
Speaker 11 (38:29):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
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they would Rob, NBA Champion, Olympic gold medalist.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
The man that.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Created Rob was responsible for hardship in the NBA, which meant,
you know, guys could go to the NBA early from
college and he's a wall sued DNA, fought it and
won and was a great player. Was a fantastic player
(01:27):
to be good to have him on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
In about thirty minutes.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Rob I'm ticked, I'm upset, I'm at my wits end.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
And it had something to do with baseball.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yes, wow, why oh why does it keep happening.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I know, I know what your analytics say, I know
what the trend is, but the fact is it ain't working.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Guys are still getting hurt.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I'm not saying eliminate pitch counts and all that altogether.
But when someone who is having a legendary start to
a career, someone who can bring eyeballs to baseball that
usually are on baseball, someone who, on average his average
(02:41):
fastballs darn near one.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Hundred miles an hour, not his best.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
His average fastball darn near one hundred miles an hour,
he is rob We talked about Fernando Valenzuela a few
days ago.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Fernando Mania, Yes, nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Right, Well, Paul Schemes with his eighty nine strikeouts his
one point nine zero ERA this season, he has the
most strikeouts with a sub two point zero ER three
eleven starts since RORA became an official statistic in nineteen thirteen.
(03:28):
The second guy with the most was Vealezuela in nineteen
eighty one.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
He had seventy.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Nine my point. I say all that to say this.
You heard Steve de Seger say it earlier. Paul Schemes,
who has taken the major leagues by storm, just got
drafted out of lsu Is has been the best pitcher
(03:53):
in the league since he's you know what made when
he started throwing. He had a no hitter going through
six was his six or seven innies? A no hitter
going through seven innings?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Eleven K's was mowing them down in Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Oh, but he threw ninety nine pitches, never mind.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
That sixty five of them were strikes.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
He wasn't getting weary, but the analytics geeks were getting scared.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Ninety nine pitches, no hitter? Who cares? History in the making.
Who cares? The fans who paid top dollar and want
to see something special? Who cares? They took him out, Rob.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
And his replacement gave up a hit with the quickness
that would be Yo combined and no hitter. The Pirates
still won, but they lost the no hitter, and more importantly,
Paul Skeens lost the no hitter and Rob.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I'm tired of it. I'm sick of it.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
It's hard for me to push back or argue on
this because I'm with you. I just do not understand
the thought process. This is a young guy, a rookie, Chris.
Give him a chance. Hey, if he gives up a hit,
or you know, he walks somebody or you know where,
it's obvious. Okay, maybe he's tiring or something. But to
(05:36):
just take it out of his hands makes no sense
to me. Paul Skeins has been so impressive Chris, and
I'm not this prisoner of the moment.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Hey put him in the All Star Game? Do this?
Do that?
Speaker 6 (05:49):
His numbers are worthy, Like you just brought up Fernando Valezuela.
When you start to mention, go look at some of
the other pictures he's link with. You know who carry
wood to pitch for the Cubs.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
You remember him.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Chris was a fireball. Dwight Good and Doctor k pitched
for the Mets. He's in He's in the territory with
all those guys. Yep, Mark Fidrich. The Bird Chris pitched
and started the All Star Game in nineteen seventy six
after only eleven starts.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
So I love remember the Bird. He was exciting, He
brought like color. You know, he was charismatic and all.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
That, but but he pitched only he only had eleven starts. Chris.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
He started the All Star Game for them. He's the
biggest thing in baseball. The Skeens is in the right.
What I'm saying, I'd make him the starter is what
I'm saying, Like, oh yeah, he should be. He should
start the game us. But the idea that they keep
robbing us, they're, you know, in trying to, you know,
safeguard people.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
People still get hurt.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Even with all these kid gloves going around, Chris, it
doesn't stop people from getting hurt. People are still getting
hurt and whatnot. So I don't know what the kid
gloves are all about. And the other thing I don't
like is you're robbing the fans.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Of some history and you don't go to the ballpark
all the time.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
I watched David Wells pitch a perfect game against the
Minnesota Twins, Chris at Yankees. I remember it, and I
remember his stuff, and I was like, can you imagine
had they taken him out, because oh my god, how
many pictures he's thrown. It's ridiculous. Give the guy a chance.
Somebody gets a hte Chris, and it's broken up. Okay,
it's over right. We're gonna leave you in kid until you.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
If you got it.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
And now it's just like, well, ninety nine pitchers, we
need to get him out of there. We don't need
to because we don't want to burn him out. We
don't want to do that.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
What a young kid, the prime of his life. What's
wrong with these guys? Ron, We talked about it yesterday.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
How you know Willie Mays and Hank Air and May
twenty plus all Star games? Will we ever see it again?
No one's made twelve more than twelve straight. The injury
since Mariano right, the injuries guys back in the day,
ninety nine pitches was nothing.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
What do we always bring up Nolan Ryan the two
thirty five? What he pitches? Yeah, in a game?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
And Rob he ended up pitching till he was what
forty six in his forties.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But he had he unbelievable and threw hard as anybody.
He was the hardest thrower at that time. Yep, So
I'm like and schemes.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
By the way, Rob, and I was alluding to this
at the start of the segment. His average fastball velocity
is ninety nine miles an hour average. You know, what
the average is in the in MLB among the starting
pitchers ninety three, ninety three, you're right, ninety three.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
So this dude on averages throw at ninety nine and
Chris I was right.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
It was June fourteenth, nineteen seventy four, Nolan Ryan threw
two hundred and thirty five pitches Chris in a start
against the Red Sox. His stat line it was a
thirteen inning game, Chris, Nobody didn't the bullpen didn't come in.
Two hundred and thirty five pitches hitching Reddy, thirteen innings,
(09:12):
nineteen strikeouts, He walked ten guys and.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
He faced fifty eight batters. Can you bly didn't even
miss a start? No, he pitched his next start.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
He absolutely did, because I did read that in thinking, well,
did that cost him a start or two?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
After?
Speaker 6 (09:28):
No, he made his next start. Can you imagine a
manager coming to getting Olan Ryan rob here in the
in look.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It bears repeating because I've said it before, as we've
talked about this, because I'm sure the analytics, we know,
they're telling them it's just better for the picture. You're
saving his arm, which there's no, we don't see the
evidence because guys keep getting hurt now it seems more
than ever. But maybe there's something else they'll say, because
(09:56):
it's maybe not in this case. I don't see how
they would have in this case, But other cases, Rob,
they'll say, well, this is the third time or fourth
time around that they're seeing this pitcher right the lineup.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Well, can I stop that? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:11):
He retired his final sixteen Chris right, striking out eight
of them. This is like his final sixteen batters right
that he faced, Right and Schemes now is the only
player in Major League Baseball history to have multiple games
with six plus innings. Chris pitched zero hits and allowed
as a rookie in a rookie season. So think about that.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
They're taking away moments, Rob, They're taking away moments. The
no hitters always been special, always been special.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
It is special, you know how they're taking it away.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
As I told you before, as a guy Chris who
goes to baseball games, who covered baseball since nineteen eighty six,
I haven't seen that many no hitters, you know, like
it doesn't happen every day. I just gave you the
perfect game of David Wells against the Twins, and I
remember it.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And I remember it because it is special.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
You don't see that every day you go to the ballpark, right,
and now they're they're taking away those moments. I don't
care if you think it's more effective to bring in
a reliever who's got a fresh arm at.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
The end of the day.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
This is entertainment too. These are this is about creating
memories too. There's there were young kids there, Rob at
the game who would have loved to have seen a
no hitter. They would have been able to tell that
story their entire lives. Now it's gone. The shift, Rob,
(11:46):
It's the same thing as the shift. The shift was
great strategically.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
It's like, and this isn't good for the game. When
you take the ball out of the player's hands. Chris,
let the players decide, not the managers. In some geek
with a pencil protector. He's there stopping. We saw them
do this to even Clayton Kershaw. You remember a couple
(12:11):
of years ago, Chris, he had a perfect game going.
I don't and they were like, whoa, we're trying to
save him from getting hurt.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
He still got hurt. That year they took him out,
he still got hurt. What are you doing a chance
to pitch a perfect game.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Let him walk the guy in he ate to start
the eighth Chris, if he walks a guy, or if
he gives up a hit, then you take him out.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
What is right?
Speaker 6 (12:33):
He might have got a first pitch pop up, you
know what I mean, and got out of the inning
after giving up eight pitches.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
And n I.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Don't think it had anything to do with them thinking
he you know, oh he's losing it.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
No, no, no, not gonna be able to stay hot.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I think it was totally like they got a rule right,
you don't get more than one hundred pitches or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
It's just terrible because look, these games, we need star
we need superstars, We need big names. And players become
in any of the sports, they become big names by
doing the incredible and one of the incredible things is
(13:17):
the no hitter.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
And yet just this Chris.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
So, the manager was questioned about the whole thing after
the game, and uh, the you know, the media pushed
back and said, was this analytics and asked him that directly,
and he said no, it wasn't, which of course company line,
but he said, Chris, it was the eye test. The
eye test is that he retired sixteen straight right and
struck out eight of them.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I would say, what eye tests?
Speaker 6 (13:43):
What did you see when he was retiring sixteen in
a row that made you think.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
He was losing it? What? What? What was it? He
struck out a guy, He struck out a guy on
five pitches instead of three. Is that when he was
losing it? Right?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I mean, come on, he eight yah, eight of those
guys went down strikeout right, eight of those last sixteen.
It's just look, it's just baseball getting in its own
way again, Rob. They've made some good decisions with the pitch,
they've changed the stolen bases back and all that, but
it's just I'm sorry, like analytics just it's like takes
(14:21):
all the fun out.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Of the big time in some ways.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
You know, Rob g tell us, I think you have
the breakdown the Yeah, so they said he was tired
the eye test. That's what the manager said to it,
that he looked tired. Christ the manager, Derek Shelton. Here
are the speeds of the last six or he threw
seven pitches in the seventh inning, so it's not like
he was laboring there at the end. Ninety seven mile
(14:45):
hour fastball eighty one curve, ninety one splitter, ninety three splitter,
eighty one curve, ninety three splitter, and new Crip talked
about it, and he looked tired and to get him
out of there.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Ninety three is the average pitch, that's the pitch in
the major legth and that was a splitter. He's trying
to splitter right now.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
That's just And that's the thing about Skins like he's
I mean, as hard as he throws, he's got more.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Than just he looks older than he does. Yeah, he
definitely does.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
He has an older look to him like that. No doubt,
he definitely does, no doubt. I hope Rob that he
stays healthy because this dude is you know, and you
mentioned you mentioned the Carrie Woods and you know, like
good even Fernando didn't go on you know what I
mean to like have the career that that would equate
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to the hot start, right, I hope this kid does.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
He looks like it, Chris, he is a box office
licial so far all right?
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Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fix, Robin. I don't
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Speaker 6 (17:23):
Your thoughts, HB in Vegas. You're on the couple of
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Speaker 2 (17:31):
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Speaker 11 (17:32):
HB? Going on? Guys? First time caller, love the show, Thank.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
You, thank you.
Speaker 11 (17:36):
You guys aren't going to believe this, But I was
in that game in Minnesota. I gainst the Dogs Clayton
Kershaw's perfect game that he got pulled from. What you
guys forgot to mention is that it was eighty pitches
right and four outs to go.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
No, I know it was eighty pitchers and they wouldn't
let him start the eighth inning, though, wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It was?
Speaker 7 (17:55):
So?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Were you on the opponent? Were you on the opposing
he said he was at the game. Oh, I thought
you said you were in the again.
Speaker 11 (18:03):
No no, no, no, no. I'm an LA guy living in Vegas.
So me and my girl we take a trip to
go to the Dodgers once a year and this and
taking a Dodgers Stadium road trip once once a year also.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
But so, how upset were you as a fan? Oh?
Speaker 11 (18:16):
It was crazy because obviously you know the history of
the Dodgers, Rob, You'll know that Dodgersen's World Series, the
Lefty Cofax, he threw a perfect game and that was
the last time that you know, something like that happened
between these two teams. Word. So I'm explaining this to
my girl, you know. And when he didn't come out
like you said, I feel like it robbed something from.
Speaker 12 (18:35):
Us his fans.
Speaker 11 (18:36):
So it was it was too bad.
Speaker 13 (18:38):
Rob.
Speaker 11 (18:38):
I don't know if you're still pursuing that comedy thing,
but man, you got to tell that joke again. You
almost made me crash my car during the early couple
where you said I told my ex wife like pat
Riley told the nick, you're the old lady.
Speaker 12 (18:47):
Are all out? I heard you say that again.
Speaker 11 (18:49):
You gotta add it back to the rotation. That was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I appreciate it. Hey, that's something Rob never here.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
So good on you Van you Wow, that's good compliment.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Now, no doubt. When is your next stand up? I
don't you know what, Chris.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
To be honest, the reason I haven't planned anything is
I'm just so busy with sports rap radio, you know
what I mean. Like it's still in the infancy stage,
so it's just a lot of work. But yeah, and
and by September in the fall, I want to get
back on the stage for sure. All right, Will in Kentucky,
you're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
What's up?
Speaker 13 (19:25):
Well, Hey, guys, love the show.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 13 (19:29):
We go back to like the mid two thousands and
we're talking about Carrie Wood.
Speaker 12 (19:34):
But there's also.
Speaker 13 (19:35):
Another picture in that mix that was Mark Peal and
he of course had the catastrophic arm injuries too, And
I think that right there it started scaring all all
the management into playing moneyball, and that's what it relates to.
Now we look at Steven Strasburg coming out.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, no, I get it. Strasburg's in that group too.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
You're mentioning Chris about doing stuff at a young ageburg
it was phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Is Grady came back and had that world series, But yeah,
it just unfortunately.
Speaker 12 (20:07):
Exactly.
Speaker 13 (20:08):
And and also I think that you know, since the
seventies and eighties in the early nineties, we're our pictures
are training at at earlier age, and it's so much
more refined into these motions. We've got all this computer
analyzation going on, and and these guys are stretching their
gaps and they're really, you know, pushing their arms to
(20:32):
the macs.
Speaker 12 (20:32):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Do you think this is good? You think this is bad?
I assume he's saying bad.
Speaker 11 (20:39):
No.
Speaker 13 (20:39):
I mean, I think that's why the statistics are saying, hey.
Speaker 12 (20:44):
We've got to pull these guys.
Speaker 11 (20:45):
I hate it.
Speaker 13 (20:46):
I'll be honestly, I hate it. If a guy's got
a no hitter.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Let them pitch right, let them finish.
Speaker 13 (20:51):
Do you think that the Braves have Robby or Ronaldo
Lopez going They don't have a whole lot of money
invested in him, right right, They're gonna let him finis
They're don't let him finish his no hitter. But if
it's Spencer Strider, you know.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
It's just crazy that a kid likes skiens ninety nine pitches,
Chris throwing the ball, well, thanks for the call, appreciate it,
you know, and all that that that they just didn't
give the kid a chance. He's having that unbelievable start
to a career.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
You know, I think it's not even it's not even
just in the case of no hitters. I just think
that the evidence, you know, that these pitch counts are
helping pictures is not there.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I mean, I'm sure there's they got evidence in that.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
As far as guys getting hurt, it's like we expect
them to get hurt, and.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
People still getting hurt.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
All that we talk about in the NBA load management,
people still get hurt Chris.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
So I'm not buying that.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Ye all right, Uh, it's the couple, Chris and a rib.
We got Spencer Haywood around the corner.
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Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yes, We're waiting on Spencer Haywood and NBA champion Olympic
gold Medals nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Spencer, Welcome to the eye cancer.
Speaker 12 (22:13):
Hey, thank you fellows for having me on this great
god given day. My gosh, what a The last few
days have just been so awesome to me. It's been
like a blessing awesome hanging in with the president Obummer
and being around all of the young players and people
(22:34):
walking up to them and asking them, do y'all know
what this guy did for you? I didn't have to go,
you know, like about head and scratches on my knees saying, hey, guys,
this is what I did.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
But dude, we were talking.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
We mentioned that earlier when we you know, introduced that
you'd be on.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
The show at the top of this hour.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
You, of course, you know, went took it, made a
legal case about being able to go hardship, and you
won and created what we see now all the time.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Did the players know that you did that or were they.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Just finding out as fans were saying it to them.
Speaker 12 (23:19):
Yeah, but just just a few players are getting the
idea of it because you know, you have the Larry
Bird rule, you have the Oscar Robinson rule, but Larry
Bird don't have the rule. They created it for Larry Bird.
But because my rule had the tag of hey would
(23:41):
versus the NBA. The NBA feels a little shy about
that Supreme Court ruling, which was you know, at a
crucial time in basketball in nineteen seven. It wasn't March
first that I won the case in the front of
Thirdood March and all the other justices, and from that case,
(24:03):
from nineteen seventy one until right now, we're looking at
sixty five billion dollars for players in their revenue, meaning
that players have the right to leave college or some
not to even go to college by Cobe Lebron. So
you get it four years on your planned career, but
(24:27):
not only that, you're getting it on your stat you
get it on your life work. When we look at
Lebron Jeams, I mean, now I got two generations of
the same family playing on the mac bobleple that's under
the Rooklyn. So the NBA says, you gotta be good
the world for the game at four o'clock. I'm like, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I see that's how I always say.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Spencer Hayward Kurt Flood are two of the most important
athletes Chris Kurt Flood. As you know, Spencer gave up
his real suit baseball. Now he lost, but that opened
up free agency for players. He lost in the Supreme Court,
but it did open up the uh, the situation where
free agency for all sports, not just baseball, is from that.
(25:14):
And we know what you did for uh the NBA
and college basketball.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So kudos.
Speaker 12 (25:20):
Yeah. Well, Skirt was speaking to me at one time
and when he came back just before he passed about, Man,
I'm going around these baseball players. They have no idea
because they brought him right after all of those years
in the Islands. You know, he had to stay over
there and he was exiled from the United States.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, he doesn't get in the credit, no or the
recognition credit at all.
Speaker 12 (25:47):
Right, but what happened me is when he was at
the Supreme Court, they delayed his justice by saying next
to next. The following year they gave it to and
then Muscle smith.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Yep Andy message was signed a free agent deal with
the Atlanta Braids.
Speaker 10 (26:05):
Absolutely, okay, okay, Spencer, let me ask you this because
you I mean you, so you win your case, you
go into the ABA in nineteen six, Yeah, well did
you went to Denver?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Right?
Speaker 12 (26:25):
I went to Denver from the University of Detroit. So
Rob knows what bam it is over in Detarite right right.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And you you were the MVP of the ABA.
Speaker 12 (26:38):
I was the MVP, the rookie of the year.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Thirty points, nineteen and a half rebounds a game. It
was like, you, Domin, let me ask you this, how
do you compare? Because I've started you know, the ABA
was a great league, and I know they used to
beat the NBA in a lot of exhibition games.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
How did you you that was the only year in
the A B A.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
How do you compare the A B A to the
NBA at that time?
Speaker 12 (27:07):
Well, the a BA is what you see today in
today's basketball, where the NBA was like a button down,
you know, shirt kind of kind of team kind of play.
And when we got up when I came over the NBA,
I was told, well, you got to have a brown,
(27:29):
black and a gray suit. That's it, you know. And
so when we came over from the ABA, we had throws.
We had these big old giant mustache and beer. They
were like shaved that stuff down, son, this the real.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Wow.
Speaker 12 (27:46):
So we had big bail bottom shoes on, I mean
bail bottom pants would like it was just you know,
like we were like superfly right, Oh yeah, okay, wow.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
But let me let me ask you do you think
that and this is I'm just do you think people
don't take the a BA as seriously as they should
because of that red, white and blue basketball. I really
like it looks like it's not real, yeah, own or
you know what I mean, like a circus kind of deal,
the Harlem Globe trotters.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Like it doesn't look real.
Speaker 12 (28:23):
Yeah. But then in order for you to win the
three point shootout contest for the NBA at halftime at
the All Star Game, which ball do you use?
Speaker 11 (28:34):
The moneyball?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
That's right, they do have the money right, so Spencer
you also.
Speaker 12 (28:44):
Yeah, And one other thing I was talking with George
Gerbin and Julius I Ivin and some of the other
guys who played in the ABA when they went back
into the Negro League in baseball and put their stats
all together not match what the NBA it's thinking about
doing is bringing our stats into the whole picture. And
(29:07):
that's going to change the whole perspective in terms of
a guy like Julius and George and David Thompson don't numbers.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
No, that's a great point.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
We actually talked about that Rob and I when they
when they did that change with the negro leagues, and
I think they should because again the ABA, I think
was just as good as the NBA.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
You also won what.
Speaker 12 (29:32):
Was that it took everything from the ABA.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Right, yep, yep they did.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
You're right, the dunk contest, the three point Julier leaders.
Now you won goal in the Olympics in nineteen sixty eight.
And it's our last question. But now you know, you
look at the NBA and you see the last six
MVPs international players the first team all NBA, four of
(30:02):
the five players international. The international guys are really you know,
taking over, taking over the league to some degree.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 12 (30:13):
Because we, as American players, we play AAU six games
on the weekend, no practice. The European players play two
games on the weekend and they practice for five games
of four games during the week. Fundamentals, running up heels,
(30:33):
doing different things. My brother is still coaching in France.
But this is we have to now focus back in
on the AAU coaches who are coaching. We have to
bring this thing back into Houston, bring it back at
home now because we're getting we're falling behind because of
the lack of fundamentals, and you know, the people at
(30:56):
the AAU, people are just running the thing with Matt
and so we got to put some money behind it.
We got to let those high school coaches and those
junior high school coaches come back into the av I
mean to the AAU and like, bring out a league,
bring it, bring our status back up, because we just
roll it out of basketball on the weekend and like,
(31:17):
let's go for it. Parents are fighting with referees and
come on, yeah, not basketball, this is on American Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Nah, you're you're right. It's it's we are falling behind.
And I think you hit it on the head.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Spencer, heywood Man, Spencer, great having you on. So we
really have you on for a whole hour and just
talk about so much. But we appreciate you giving us
a few minutes.
Speaker 12 (31:44):
I appreciate you, brothers, and thank you so much, and
God bless you both.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Always, so thank you, buddy, great Spencer, Heywood. It's The
Odd Couple Chris and Rob keep you lot. Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
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Speaker 1 (32:28):
Rob tyreek Hill is a obviously an incredible wide receiver.
He's also a great SoundBite. Whether you agree with him
or not. Oftentimes you'll disagree with him. He'll say some stuff.
I will give him that. He says some stuff and Rob.
(32:50):
Recently on Instagram, he was asked Instagram Live.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Who is top five quarterbacks are in the NFL? And
Rob he said.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
He started out giving props to his former QB that
he won a Super Bowl with Patrick Mahomes, then went Tua,
which is makes sense as his quarterback now Lamar.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Jackson, Dak Prescott. And this one will surprise you, Rob
Baker Mayfield. Okay, I.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Can't take these things seriously only because no, no Chris,
because of the first two guys he picked or guys
he worked with or played with.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (33:43):
So right away you already know where it's going, especially
with two would be a number two because you can't
feel like you.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Gotta say no. But that's what I'm just saying. Once
you can get away with putting mahomes at.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
Him, but once you do that, I just don't have
like the list doesn't mean anything to me, Like, Okay,
he plays in the NFL. He's a great receiver, and
he's played with some great quarterbacks. Dak Press got to
And I don't know based on what like like is
this is this, uh so so so.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Other guys who have.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
Played in the league or playing in the league. I
don't I don't know what it's based on. I'm rob
I think it would be.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Right now entering this season, I think you that be
hard pressed to make a case. And and Baker, look
I I Baker. I'm gonna give him credit for some
stuff he's done. He's played well in Tampa. He went
there basically trying to salvage his career or at the
very least his career as a starter right not making
(34:51):
any money.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
And he has turned him into a playoff team or
led them to the playoffs. Shouldn't say turned him into
one but led him to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
So Baker, now he has solidified his spot as a
bona fide starter in this league, and I give him
credit for that.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
So I don't want to take anything away from.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Him, but Rob, you can make easily make an argument
that not only is he not top five in the league.
I mean, I don't think anybody thinks he's top five
in the league, but that he's not top five in
the NFC.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
You got Dak.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
You've got Jared Goff, You've got Jordan Love, You've got
Matt Stafford, You've got Brock Purdy. And I didn't even
mention Jalen Hurts just because he was coming off a
bad year. But that's six right there. And I didn't
(35:56):
even mention Kirk Cousins. So I just I mean, like
you said, everybody can have their own.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Opinion, right, that's fine. I just don't put any stock
in it, you know what I mean? Once I see
see what the you know, I don't know if he uh,
it just it's just all over the map. It just
doesn't It doesn't like add up because you just bought
and named a number of people, right.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I mean, any of those names, You're like, no no, no, no,
he can't be ahead of Baker, right.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I mean, if you want to say, well, Jordan Love's
only done it one year, but you know, okay, but okay,
rock Pardy what he's got too much talent around. I mean,
like he's done a lot more so it's it's odd,
you know, and people love like quarterback. It's interesting because
(36:53):
obviously Tyreek loves.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
It, but also I believe that they like people, you
know what I mean, Like Chris, we talked about it
all the time.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
They kick it with yeah, like oh that's my boy,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
So I'm gonna put them like I can't make a
list with that, like those things I think factor in
because they don't want to upset somebody, you know what
I mean. So they always have kind of like you
feel like you're working, uh like like you can't offend
people you're cool with or working with.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Well, it's what you and I always tell athletes that
move into this space that you don't go out of
your way to offend guys, but you gotta call it
like it is. And we've told Perk Perk. Perk is
really taking that to heart.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Rob Like Perk has destroyed some relationships.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
You know, Barkley Rob the best to do it right,
to make that transition with Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
They're with buds. They no bud, They're not buds anymore.
Speaker 12 (37:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, but you just gotta hopefully relationships aren't destroyed.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
And we don't want to see that, but you do.
This is your job.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
And if you don't call it like you see it,
if you don't, Chris, you know, say what a lot
of times we all see, we've seen them.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
You're not gonna have the credibility.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
We've seen the meat grinder of a lot of these
former athletes who try to get into the business and
they just keep coming and going.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
They keep coming and going. Yep. The ones that stay
tell it like it is all right, keep it locked.
Speaker 11 (38:29):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
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