September 15, 2025 • 31 mins
Rob and Kelvin provide up-to-the-minute analysis of the Monday Night Football showdown between the Houston Texans and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, tell us if we can expect Caleb Williams to be mired in a quarterback controversy and some point this season in Chicago, debate whether the Pittsburgh Steelers are already regretting going all-in on Aaron Rodgers for one season.
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it earlier, but the Golden Girls turned forty years old
yesterday when they premiered on nb Wow, and they did
it was the Emmyes last night, and they did a
great tribute.
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Will play if you didn't see that.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
There's a lot of contra but people, people had mixed
opinions about it.
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That kind of was a shock. I mean, they did
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what it is that people. It was Reba and two
other singers. Yeah, Mack Tyre Yeah. I thought they did
a nice job.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
You know what, you know, they're not singing the original,
you know, like they got to add their own people
killed the original? Wow, they didn't. They didn't make the origin.
You and I should have did it because that would
be the unique. They never expect two brothers to be
doing Golden Girls like that. Well, that one brother on
all over the internet. That the first one that Chubby
Yea with.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Their hair wig or whatever he had. Yeah, he killed that.
Everybody copied on exactly. Yeah, he killed that. That's the
one that was actually that was really good. No, he
killed that, all right, man.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
We got to get into, of course, some of the
games that happened last week I'm sorry yesterday, including the
Lions putting it on the That's right, and you know
what time it is, Ralph, because the Lions did it
for the first time.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
You know what it is.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
The Lions won again. How did they win again? They
lost them the last two games coming into this.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Because the Lions won again and the Lions do worry?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Was the offense? Is this a Detroit radio show? What
use this is called facts? All facts? What a cover sheet? Now?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Many of you, not just my partner who sitting next
to me, was talking smack, was talking smoke worried that
the Lions offense wasn't all that, And I understand, but
like I told y'all week one, to me, I looked
at a lot of that as the packers. How good
the packers will be then even see what they did
to the commanders that defensive packers could be the best
in the league. They could be one of the absolute
best teams in the entire NFL. So Ben Johnson comes in,
(03:55):
everybody's worked man. He knows all, he knows what they do.
He knows well. They ain't know what Ben Johnson did,
and that's what I said on Friday. They also know
what Ben Johnson is good and what he does best.
And after that first drive for the Bears, it was
pretty much a wrap. After that, they were able to
do whatever they wanted. Jared Golf was spreading the ball
all the round. They Most importantly, for believing it or not,
for them, they were able to get the running game
(04:16):
going again because that was something they needed to get.
They got ninety four yards from Gibbs, they got fifty
seven from Montgomery. That's what they need, That's what they
do because from that comes everything else, the play action,
the deep passes, and we're able to become an explosive
offense again. I'm in Ron say Brown three touchdowns a
buck fifteen for him. More importantly to me, they got there.
(04:36):
They got the mojo back, and that's a tough place
to play now, believe it or not, I know when
you were there. I was there. It was not a
plus tough place to play. Four field's a tough place
to go in there and win. And to me, I
said it again, They're still gonna have a game or
two where you wonder where the offense is, where they
struggle here there because it's a tough season, NFL stuffing.
They got a heck of a schedule ahead. But what
(04:57):
I was saying, and one of the things that you
could hang your hat on, was, Dude, I've got incredible talent,
one of the most talented offensive rosters in the entire NFL.
And they're all young, and they're all fast, they're all athletic,
they're all hungry, and that's something to me that they
could lean on and have that.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
So they righted the ship obviously the Bears.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
To me, there's are much I come out of that game,
way more conversation the other team, the Bears, and we'll
get to that.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
That's where my concern lies.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
That's where my question lies with Ben Johnson and Kaylyn
Williams and that offense, that defense that is not good
giving up I think thirty something points a game right now,
that's more of my concern, more than the Lions. I
expected the Lions to bounce back in their offense, not
fifty two, but the bounce back and look good and
be strong. So to me, conversation to me can move
(05:42):
towards the Bears, and the concern is there that I
have with Caleb and Ben Johnson and that dynamic in
that relationship. The Lions did what they were supposed to do,
what I expected them to do and bounce back.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Okay, what's the next topic. What do you got the
Bears for me? Okay, you ain't got nothing to say
about the Lions. I just they've they've destroyed them.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
What did to say about a fifty two point fifty
two to twenty one league? They did, They came out,
they did what they had to do, which was you
don't want to go zero and two, and they didn't.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
They won at home. That's what I said. But you
had them losing. Why losing?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I had them losing the same way you picked football
games all the time.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
But why did the Bears though? Because I could see them.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I've covered the Lions for a long time and just
like they shouldn't have lost a nine and a half
point favorites in the playoff game to wash them because
they he what they lost that game to a rookie
quarterback at home when they were fifteen and two in
the season, So anybody, no, it was, but that's not
why they lost.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Your quarterback had four turnovers. And that's my point.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Just like he could have had four turnovers and you lost,
and the Lions could have lost yesterday. Well, I mean
it could happen. That's why you pick teams and you
look at games. Obviously, if you're just gonna pick the favorite,
the Lions with six point favorites, if we could see
there every day and pick every face and guess what,
your record won't be good.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
If you picked every favorite with the spread magic, that's all.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Thenyone coming in for a field with that coming off
of loss, the energy in that building. Kayler Williams looking
rattled by Ben Johnson forgetting that's my other side of
the conversation. Ben Johnson's forgetting that he is a head coach,
not just an offensive coordinator. And it seems like all
of his folkus all of his attention.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
They show up when they show him after a bad
pass or this or that.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Seems like all his attention is on Kayler Williams like
a project like what I gotta do. And I get
that he's your quarterback. You need him to succeed in
order to have successful the whole team. But I watched
that game and I say, the defense isn't great the
Bears usually that's nothing else. We can maybe hang our
hat on that they can't run the ball. And if
you can't run the ball and you have to be
one dimensional with a guy who's just under his first
go at it.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
With you, Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Then to me, you become predictable and people can tee
off and they keep scripting these first quarters. They look
first drives look good, they get points. But what can
you do when it's not scripted? What can you do
when you're off script? What can you do when team
have adjusted? They made some counters? Can you counter? And
right now I don't know what's going on, but Ben
Johnson and Kayler Williams is struggling right now. They're not
being able to do anything. Will they have to alter
(08:10):
what they're doing? And again I think also the defense
he has and he said it after week one, I
got to run the ball more. I gotta be more,
you know, mix it up a little bit more. Ben
Johnson said that and he has to find a way
to collaborate with the gifts and his talents and the
strengths of Kayleb Williams. And right now it looks like
Ben Johnson is saying, this is how I did it
with Jared Goff. You need to be able to do
(08:33):
it like this, and him and Caleb aren't. They're not
on the same page. And I wonder how long they
gonna ride this thing out because one thing we know
about general managers, general managers want their head coach.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
One thing about head coaches. Head coaches want their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And I just wonder how long they start to look
at the backup who they've paid some money for, some
big time money for it, Majent, how long they look
he looked, he fits my mold, he fits what I
do better. Because because I could just see Ben Johnson
and Caleb Vinegar Water, I can see that can that
might be a problem at some point come week eight,
eight and eight, week nine, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
I just think it's too soon.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I mean, I don't you gotta You went and drafted
a first round quarterback, a top pick quarterback, You got
a brand new head coach, and your two games into
the season and you're talking about punting. I just that
makes no sense. You could bring in the backup quarterback
and if your defense gives up fifty points, guess what
he's gonna be losing two and then what do you do.
(09:30):
Don I just don't think that that's it. You have
to work through it. This is his first year with
Ben Johnson. I just what results are you expecting? Like,
I just don't even understand, like, Oh, it's gonna be
a well oiled machine and everything's gonna you gotta figure
it out. Nobody punted on Peyton Manning when he threw
twenty six interceptions or whatever it was his first game.
(09:50):
They didn't go like, oh my god, he won't be
able to do No. They work through it. You gotta
work through it, no matter what it is, to figure
out what's gonna work best for both the coach and
the player.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
That's my thing is a relationship. It seems like something
I don't know. I'm not in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Saying expect this is me. It seems if you could.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Watch TV and say what kind of relationships. I don't mean,
are they going out to have steak dinners? What I'm
talking about is Ben john It's almost like, again, we're
watching the interpersonal dye and he's every play, is dissecting
every play. He's looking at this. You can read it
all over his face. You can tell he's just not
feeling the way his quarterback is. Quarterback in and again
I found the quarterback. I'm saying, hey, can we all.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So when he did when they scored in the first drive,
did he have that look on his face too? Actually
he did last week. No, I'm talking about this week.
When they scored the first.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
He was at home. He was like, please Lord, let
this go. I'm back home. But I'm saying no, week
one he did. He was like, that's not how it
should have gone. Even though they scored. We actually talked
about that. Ben Johnson was kind of you can tell
he's frustrated because he's one of those this is the system,
this is how it should go and work, this is
how it should look. And even when they have success,
for those scientists type of guys, if it doesn't look
(11:05):
how it should, they sometimes still have issues with that
because well, what if it doesn't What if next time
it doesn't go the way it's supposed to, the way
you just made that happen this is the program. Stick
with the program, and they're gonna have to design some
stuff forward to Kayleb Williams strength, roll them out, get
him going, get him moving out there, some bootlegs to
his talent, because just sitting back there and asking him
the process when teams are starting to switch it up
and alter after those first drives, it seems like they're
(11:27):
not on the same page. But uh, but that will again,
it's a good bounce back for the Lions. Again, that's
exactly they did, exactly what they were supposed to do.
Come in there, make it hell to play in fort field,
get the offense going, strike, start early, strike early, and
then obviously make Cayleb Williams have to beat you, which
is asking a lot from a second year quarterback, first
(11:47):
with his new head coach.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Despite the Bears defense giving up fifty two points, do
you expect Caleb Williams to be benched at some point
in the season in Chicago. We'll continue that conversation next
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that didn't get it. The Texans didn't get it. Steve Seger,
get you updated here in just a little bit. Eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox, taking some calls about the
game you had yesterday between the Lines and the Bears.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Some issues with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Are you concerned about Ben Johnson and Kaylyn Williams in
that relationship or if you also if you'd like the
way the Baians bounce back eight seven seven ninety nine
on Fox, we.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Got nobody's talking about the Lines. It's all about Ben Johnson.
How Bob don and the e P. You're on the
couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Don?
Speaker 5 (14:10):
No, it's not the e P.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
It's c up Calvin Robb.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
You know that all I didn't know what the e
P was to be. Of course the up we know that.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
How you doing, don I'm doing good.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
How do you guys doing.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
I'm a packer fan. I'm in that part of the up.
Listen what I haven't heard anybody talk about yet. And
of course Detroit's offensive, sensational, they're getting it, they're getting
figure it out right. But Ben Johnson is uh, he's
a nerd man. He's a he was a computer scientist
before he cut in the coaching. That's that's that's my background.
What I can tell you is we were nerds. We
(14:46):
have the biggest egos out of anybody ever met. Now
combine that with super charge meathead. You know, Steve Jobs
had Steve was man to keep him in check, and
now Ben Johnson don't got big Dan Campbell keep them
in check anymore. You think, so it's to kill them.
I can fix them. I can do whatever hasn't been
done before. Because I'm a computer scientist. I have a
(15:08):
better algorithm. I can prove things that haven't been done before.
Pe equals and p blah blah blah, Melon musclari Elson's jobs.
That's what it is. He's an ego maniac.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
That's interesting. Take from computer science people first, and you know,
talk about that. That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Thanks Don appreciated. Chili Tim in Atlanta. You're on the
yond couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Chili, yo yo?
Speaker 4 (15:28):
What up?
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Rub of Calvin?
Speaker 8 (15:31):
A couple of points. First of all, let's let's slow
our roll with the Lions, because we saw on the
last night that Ja just like everything else about Michigan,
the championship, the quarterback, and the coach are all for Gayzey, right,
So lit's slow our rolls. So uh, the Bears are
probably just as worse as we thought they were.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
So the Lions, you know, you don't say the worst
that we thought they were. Everybody had the Bears being good.
Stop it, Chili, don't do that. Don't do that naturally.
Speaker 8 (16:01):
And then segative all I'm just saying, slowly rolls. The
Birds are bad team. So you know, you put up
fifty two points against a bad team. I'm not gonna
get too excited about that. Let me let me say
a little bit of competition before I say.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
You go right unless your alliance fan go ahead.
Speaker 8 (16:14):
And then second of all, you know if Ben Johnson,
if he is doing that, then he's wrong because you
remember Greg Roman had h he had Alex Smith and
Colin Kaepernick came along. What did he do? He said, Okay,
so let me fit something to find this guy. He
did the same thing with Lamar Jackson. I person believed
had he been been the officive coordinated when the Ravens
(16:36):
were in the Ascent Championship, Lamar Jackson probably would have
a Super Bowl. Greg Roman wouldn't know to run the ball.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
You remember that that was a terrible game plan exactly.
Speaker 8 (16:45):
So miss Ben Johnson needs to take a place. You know,
do like Greg Rohman. You got a guy that's a
great athlete. Fit the skills, because it's become more successful
for you and you'll look better in the along.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Runer Chillie.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
One of the greatest coaching performers was pat Riley uh
Right when he left the Lakers and he goes to
the NYT year and he doesn't try to do showtime.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
They don't have showtime players. What do you do?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
He totally adjusted his coaching style to fit what he has.
That's what coaches do. You set up the players to
be in their best right. That's why Ravens have been
a really good organization with that. They find a player,
they said, John Harbor on the team we're gonna run
the system to you, Lamar, not gonna make you be
a slash Cordell Stewart doing this stuff. No, you're gonna
be our quarterback and we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
We're gonna go down. That's what you should do. Andre.
In Mississippi, you're in the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
What's up? Andre?
Speaker 5 (17:41):
What's going on? Guys?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Y'all want to talk about Chicago and Detroit. Let's hear
real Chicago's with Chicago's always being different quarterback saves all different.
Coach says, So what what don't we real good talking
about here?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Man?
Speaker 4 (18:01):
That's a good question. I don't know. I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Driving, But the man, thirty years have been the same
thing in Chicago. We came out of the corner, may oh,
we need a great coach, but got me.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
You know, had a whole bunch of coaches and a
whole bunch.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Of cornerback and it been the same thing. Don't tell
me about the eighty five marriage because it's twenty twenty five.
I don't want to hear about that no more. What
are you doing for me lately? Nothing?
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I got I all that I hear you dreamed. A
lot of people in Chicago were excited. They we got
a new corterinator that can help Caleb our number one pick.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
They're excited about it. Dion in Texas, you're on the
couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Dion? Dion?
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Heb Yes, it's hurt that.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
We got you. Okay, you got no yep, we got you.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
It's interesting, man, because you know, Caleb Williams and Trevor
Lawrence are like, hey, you can't miss on these guys.
See here death your number one quarterbacks. I'm I'm man.
The first thing I thought about, man, maybe they should
trade those guys, you know they maybe they both need
a change of scenery. Because Caleb, man, he just don't
look like Caleb. You typically have a sophomore slump in
your second year, and here it is his second year.
(19:15):
He's looking worse this year than he is last year.
And also Ben Johnson is not helping. Maybe Ben Johnson's
a better offensive coordinator than head coach.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Now I'm glad you brought that up too, because you know,
now he's a head coach, is a lot of other things. Also,
you got to help fix that defense. And not giving
up a running point. Right, You make your quarterback one
dimensional when you when you can't stop the other team.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
Absolutely, it's both. Like you said, they got to work
this thing through and but Durnet Kelvin was your spot on.
I kind of thought about the same thing. I said, Man,
he wanted to go to he wanted this job a
cause of Kaylub. But maybe Caleb is not his guy.
So we'll see.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
We'll get doing that.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
All the time.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Man, you appreciate general mans, what their head coach, head coach,
what their quarterback. That's how that stuff goes. I appreciate
you all all right all the way. We've got to
have a conversation by what happened with the Steelers? Is
it Aaron Rodgers or something else to problem? We'll tell
you next. It is the odd couple Right now, Steve
Seger gonna get you set on what's trending, hasty.
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Speaker 3 (20:19):
It is the Odd cover Rob Parker, Covid Washington on
a thank you Steve appreciate you as always. Have a
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(20:43):
with the Steelers, don't be so excited. The Steelers obviously
looking they were having the chance to go to and
oh ended up not being the case for them, and
a bunch of turnovers in the defense, letting the offense
of the other side score a bunch of points as well.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
Yeah, everything that could go wrong did go right for
Pitts progress against the Seattle Seahawks Against Sam Darnold in
the Seahawks. First off, you have Caleb Johnson, rookie running back.
I guess doesn't know the new kickoff rules because he
lets the ball go past him into the end zone,
which by the new rules of course of Atlantic wieen
the goal line and the twenty that ball is live
no matter what happens. And it went into the end zone,
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he'd even attempt to try to recover it. Seattle rushes
down there to get it. They don't recover it either,
but since it goes out of the back of the
end zone, it becomes a touchdown, So seven points there.
Aaron Rodgers throws two interceptions, including one of them in
the end zone, which after the game he ended up
blaming his receiver. For now, I'm sure he was right,
because even the receivers that he was right.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
It just wasn't a great look for him to do
that after the game.
Speaker 9 (21:40):
And the last, but not least, probably the most egregious thing,
the Steelers defense. That vaunted Steelers defense with TJ. Watt
and Jalen Ramsey and big play Darius Lay is currently
giving up thirty one and a half points per game
through the first two weeks and just about four hundred
yards per game. Were it not for a sixty yard
Chris Boswell field goal in Week one, we could be
(22:01):
talking about the zero to two Pittsburgh Steelers. So, guys,
here's the question. What's the biggest problem right now in Pittsburgh?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
For me is what I thought it would be coming
into when I talked about this last season during the
off season. They're not good defensively, everybody thinks they are
is they're not as good as you think. They don't
have a running back and running game. They got rid
of Naji here, they got rid of back, so they
don't have a running game. And you're gonna need Aaron Rodgers,
who is not built right now at this point in
his life, to bring you back. You're gonna have to
have some games where you're up, have some game where
(22:29):
you're controlling the clock, and have some games where the
defense can do some things. And I don't think they're
built that way right now, so they're gonna put him
in some non advantageous situations. So I don't like the
way they're constructed. I thought my whole point was they
need to be building for the future, and they're gonna
be putting Aaron Rodgers in some positions where he's gonna
have to make plays that he's not able to. And
(22:50):
remember we had that was it an anonymous person or
Execuly was talking about anonymous coach who was saying, how
you know he was watching Week one and there's some
throws that Aaron Rodgers made off his back foot. He
was doing things that should have been interceptions and that
you can't get away with and even I was like,
all right, that's a little extra right now, you put
a little extra sauce on that. As we got a
block punt and the Texans recovered from the block punt
(23:13):
of the Buccaneers.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
We'll get to that just a second.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
There were some throws that Aaron Rodgers made that I
was like, oh, there's one in fact, by the guy
who ended up getting the interception. Ultimately one you were
referenced again, Zoe. He threw it right, I mean right
at him, about ten yards away, directly out of him.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I can't believe he didn't catch that.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
So it was interesting hearing that, me saying all right,
come on, you put a little etra sauce on that.
Then the next week, which was yesterday, watching that. So
I just don't like the way they're constructed. Again, I
don't think they're that great defensive. Will you let the
Jets put a four hundred yards of offense on you
thirty two points the Jets? Then you turn around and
let Sam Donald and his new team do the same
as well. So I have a lot of concerns if
(23:50):
I'm the Steelers based off of things I said well
before this season. I don't think they run the ball,
but I don't have a single type of running game.
This is not the two thousand, three four five sixty
seven eight Steelers you picture in your head with Big Ben,
Jerome bettis fast, Willie Parker.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
This isn't that. And the defense is not again in
all Pittsburgh Steelers in your head. Defense.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, it's a defensive problem that they got to get
sorted out. You can't give up four hundred yards and
thirty one or two points a game and expect to win.
I don't. You just can't do it. And then you're
adding the mixing the turnovers. You're not gonna have. Nobody's perfect,
No one's going to be able to have zero you know,
interceptions and what It's just that's not football, that's not
(24:30):
how it plays. We saw Jared Golf in the postseason
when it you know what it mad at most all
year he didn't turn the ball over like that, and
what happened he had four turnovers. Turnovers are a part
of the game, but you also have to be able
to stop the other team and make the offense not predictable,
and that's what they've been so far. But there is
(24:56):
no future. There is No, you're not playing for the future.
You haven't won a playoff game in was ten years
that that whole idea of building for the future is now.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
It's just not where you say. I'm really asking you
because I don't. Because I don't. I don't think that
that's where you are. I just when you're.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Saying you specifically, the Steelers are your team, any team.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
See, that's why I don't agree. I don't. I don't
agree any team. I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's not the way you go in thinking that, Oh, yeah,
we're gonna we'll build for the next five You're the
Minnesota Viking. You got a young quarter you're thinking. No,
I got one of the best receivers in the game.
I got guys who can run the ball. I got
a good defense. No, I'm gonna add him in hopefully
doesn't turn the ball over too much and we can.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
That's the exact team I was gonna say. You have
Sam Donald, who you figure is gonna be at least
even in fourteen and three. You go twelve and something
and you got a chance. They said, JJ is our guy,
that's our future.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
No, that's not it.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
They don't believe in Sam Donald because in the two
biggest games of the year he went the bed and
you and they don't want to pay a guy like that.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Because they have their guy, They have the guy believe
in going.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Up to get him at twinth. It was because it
was more.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Because they didn't believe in Sam Dark because if they
really believed in Sam Donald, they could have pushed JJ
another year or so if they wanted to go get
airon Er. It's about That's why they didn't even think
about Aaron Rodgers, because they said, we have our guy
and JJ. That's the exact You couldn't have brought up
a better example. We have our guy and Sam Donald's
played well nobody.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
But you know what we're willing to move. We jump
you talking.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
About about down the road to build for the future.
That's not what people are trying to compete now. You
don't have three years.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
You know what I don't bring up to you don't
Matt Flynn, We got it. Got Russell Wilson is our guy.
We got our young guy in the future and that
guy and that guy. My point is you have to
start to have you can have to stay sign but
that's not the point of being nine and eight, ten
and seven.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
For one random season, they had a playoff game in
almost a decade. They're trying this team, that's what they're
trying to do, and that's always do that. I oh,
Russell couldn't play.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I owe Russell Wilson an apology because I said, Aaron
Rodgers is gonna look like Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
No he ain't. Aaron Rodgers ain't throwing no four hundred
and fifty yards and you're touched out. I'm gonna game.
I'm gonna gave Russell Wilson won so far with the
four hundreds.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
He ain't doing that, guy. I thought so Russell Wilson
was my bad on that bro. I thought I told
Aaron Rodgers he could be like you.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I take that back. That's on your boy. I take
I own that one. Just the air is now, you.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Wouldn't be a general manager long talking about some futures.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I would know you would, because I absolutely with a win.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Now, like a fan of a team that never won,
you like say of a team that's never won anything.
So you think, oh, yeah, we got five years. It
ain't no five years, you're not going to be around.
And the NFL stands for NFL not for long. And
so this whole idea, you put the best team available.
Now I might not work out, you might not win.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
It ain't.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
But you can't do that. You ain't talking about.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
No next year down the road that you can't.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
If there was somebody who had an opportunity to build
for years, it would be Mike Tomlin. So meeting two
three years, he's we're gonna find our guy. We're gonna start.
He's the guy who can because he's with an organization
doesn't fire him.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
They haven't want a playoff game in nine years.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
He needs to win.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
What he needs to win now, the one he needs
to win. Now, that's what it was.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Quarterback the Steelers win now they need to win a playoff,
and they went inside, said they need They went inside,
maybe Russell Wilson light that's your answer.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yes, Well, then good luck Steelers because you'll be exactly
where you were last year. Have we You'll win, You'll
win three or four. You're gonna lose three or four.
All I'm saying went to the playoffs start. They want
to win a playoff and they went a horrible stretch
of the playoffs. Did they win the playoffs? Did they
go to the playoffs last year. Wait, you just said
it's about winning.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
No, I'm asking you.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Did they go yes, they want Okay, the idea glorible
win a playoff game. That's the game, straight, Rob, that's
not did they make the playoffs game?
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Wait? So that's what they do. So what's the issue. Okay,
the idea is trying to win a playoff game. Trying
to win five years later. That's hoping to win. Nobody
ain't nobody, So we can have a five six years.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Baker Mayfield in the Bucks, they're trying to win now.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
C J.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Stroud in the Texas, they're trying to win the time
right now. And you know what team that's.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
The team that's got a five year playing with a
young quarterback.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Every team has a young quarterback. No, that's not.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
You don't think command. You don't think the command. That's
not they're trying to win. You don't think Justin Herder
got to win. You find your guy. They're trying to win.
You don't think Buffalo Bills were excited they found a guy.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
You win. You don't Aaron Rodgers trying to win. They're
trying to win. That's a terrible attempt to win, is
all I'm saying, Rob, Why don't you disagree with them?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Well with the movie, that's fine, But the idea in
the NFL is to try to win, give yourself the
best chance every year.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Ideas?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Am I opening my finding my quarterback? It's what the
it's what the forty nine ers?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
There's fifteen teams that need a quarterback? What's finding your quarterback?
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Proving?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
There's fourteen team? So what does that mean? You're proving
my there's old guys playing? You know why there's no playing,
there's no quarterbacks out.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
You know what you're doing? You furthering my point. No,
I'm not why I find my guys. You that's why
you want to find I'm not making your quarterly are
I know why?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I go to.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Justin Field? That's the quarterback? How do you look this week?
You go?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
How did Justin Field look this week? I'm asking you.
I don't talk about no, I'm asking you how did
he look? I'm talking about it was the quarterback you
wanted them to stay with, and you did he? How
did he look this week? With the Jets?
Speaker 4 (30:49):
And week two? That's all? You can't find your guy?
Marded Aaron Rodgers eight seven. Let's go his last call.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Time you go find your you just mentioned in fifteen Teams,
it's the same old fifteen teams who found their guy
Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert Patrick. No, you missed the point,
Jared Goff, Dayton Daniels missed the bow Knicks. I go
down the list. Did the Rams have their guy with
Jared Golf or not? No, he was They want the guy.
They went to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
He wasn't there. They got a chance to go Matthew
the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
What is Matthew Statthews Stafford was zero and three in
the postseason, but they got him. That's not why they
got him. That's not why that math. Stafford was not
a better quarter he wasn't a better quarterback. And the
problem was they didn't believe in Jared Golf. That's why
Ox sports.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Rader now, Matthew Stafford at that time wouldn't been a
He was terrible. Ox sports Rader.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I watched every single game of his He was terrible,
still terrible.
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it earlier, but the Golden Girls turned forty years old
yesterday when they premiered on nb Wow, and they did
it was the Emmyes last night, and they did a
great tribute.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Will play if you didn't see that.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
There's a lot of contra but people, people had mixed
opinions about it.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
That kind of was a shock. I mean, they did
their own version of it. I liked it. Maybe that's
what it is that people. It was Reba and two
other singers. Yeah, Mack Tyre Yeah. I thought they did
a nice job.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
You know what, you know, they're not singing the original,
you know, like they got to add their own people
killed the original? Wow, they didn't. They didn't make the origin.
You and I should have did it because that would
be the unique. They never expect two brothers to be
doing Golden Girls like that. Well, that one brother on
all over the internet. That the first one that Chubby
Yea with.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Their hair wig or whatever he had. Yeah, he killed that.
Everybody copied on exactly. Yeah, he killed that. That's the
one that was actually that was really good. No, he
killed that, all right, man.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
We got to get into, of course, some of the
games that happened last week I'm sorry yesterday, including the
Lions putting it on the That's right, and you know
what time it is, Ralph, because the Lions did it
for the first time.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
You know what it is.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
The Lions won again. How did they win again? They
lost them the last two games coming into this.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Because the Lions won again and the Lions do worry?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Was the offense? Is this a Detroit radio show? What
use this is called facts? All facts? What a cover sheet? Now?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Many of you, not just my partner who sitting next
to me, was talking smack, was talking smoke worried that
the Lions offense wasn't all that, And I understand, but
like I told y'all week one, to me, I looked
at a lot of that as the packers. How good
the packers will be then even see what they did
to the commanders that defensive packers could be the best
in the league. They could be one of the absolute
best teams in the entire NFL. So Ben Johnson comes in,
(03:55):
everybody's worked man. He knows all, he knows what they do.
He knows well. They ain't know what Ben Johnson did,
and that's what I said on Friday. They also know
what Ben Johnson is good and what he does best.
And after that first drive for the Bears, it was
pretty much a wrap. After that, they were able to
do whatever they wanted. Jared Golf was spreading the ball
all the round. They Most importantly, for believing it or not,
for them, they were able to get the running game
(04:16):
going again because that was something they needed to get.
They got ninety four yards from Gibbs, they got fifty
seven from Montgomery. That's what they need, That's what they
do because from that comes everything else, the play action,
the deep passes, and we're able to become an explosive
offense again. I'm in Ron say Brown three touchdowns a
buck fifteen for him. More importantly to me, they got there.
(04:36):
They got the mojo back, and that's a tough place
to play now, believe it or not, I know when
you were there. I was there. It was not a
plus tough place to play. Four field's a tough place
to go in there and win. And to me, I
said it again, They're still gonna have a game or
two where you wonder where the offense is, where they
struggle here there because it's a tough season, NFL stuffing.
They got a heck of a schedule ahead. But what
(04:57):
I was saying, and one of the things that you
could hang your hat on, was, Dude, I've got incredible talent,
one of the most talented offensive rosters in the entire NFL.
And they're all young, and they're all fast, they're all athletic,
they're all hungry, and that's something to me that they
could lean on and have that.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
So they righted the ship obviously the Bears.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
To me, there's are much I come out of that game,
way more conversation the other team, the Bears, and we'll
get to that.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
That's where my concern lies.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
That's where my question lies with Ben Johnson and Kaylyn
Williams and that offense, that defense that is not good
giving up I think thirty something points a game right now,
that's more of my concern, more than the Lions. I
expected the Lions to bounce back in their offense, not
fifty two, but the bounce back and look good and
be strong. So to me, conversation to me can move
(05:42):
towards the Bears, and the concern is there that I
have with Caleb and Ben Johnson and that dynamic in
that relationship. The Lions did what they were supposed to do,
what I expected them to do and bounce back.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Okay, what's the next topic. What do you got the
Bears for me? Okay, you ain't got nothing to say
about the Lions. I just they've they've destroyed them.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
What did to say about a fifty two point fifty
two to twenty one league? They did, They came out,
they did what they had to do, which was you
don't want to go zero and two, and they didn't.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
They won at home. That's what I said. But you
had them losing. Why losing?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I had them losing the same way you picked football
games all the time.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
But why did the Bears though? Because I could see them.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I've covered the Lions for a long time and just
like they shouldn't have lost a nine and a half
point favorites in the playoff game to wash them because
they he what they lost that game to a rookie
quarterback at home when they were fifteen and two in
the season, So anybody, no, it was, but that's not
why they lost.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Your quarterback had four turnovers. And that's my point.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Just like he could have had four turnovers and you lost,
and the Lions could have lost yesterday. Well, I mean
it could happen. That's why you pick teams and you
look at games. Obviously, if you're just gonna pick the favorite,
the Lions with six point favorites, if we could see
there every day and pick every face and guess what,
your record won't be good.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
If you picked every favorite with the spread magic, that's all.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Thenyone coming in for a field with that coming off
of loss, the energy in that building. Kayler Williams looking
rattled by Ben Johnson forgetting that's my other side of
the conversation. Ben Johnson's forgetting that he is a head coach,
not just an offensive coordinator. And it seems like all
of his folkus all of his attention.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
They show up when they show him after a bad
pass or this or that.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Seems like all his attention is on Kayler Williams like
a project like what I gotta do. And I get
that he's your quarterback. You need him to succeed in
order to have successful the whole team. But I watched
that game and I say, the defense isn't great the
Bears usually that's nothing else. We can maybe hang our
hat on that they can't run the ball. And if
you can't run the ball and you have to be
one dimensional with a guy who's just under his first
go at it.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
With you, Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Then to me, you become predictable and people can tee
off and they keep scripting these first quarters. They look
first drives look good, they get points. But what can
you do when it's not scripted? What can you do
when you're off script? What can you do when team
have adjusted? They made some counters? Can you counter? And
right now I don't know what's going on, but Ben
Johnson and Kayler Williams is struggling right now. They're not
being able to do anything. Will they have to alter
(08:10):
what they're doing? And again I think also the defense
he has and he said it after week one, I
got to run the ball more. I gotta be more,
you know, mix it up a little bit more. Ben
Johnson said that and he has to find a way
to collaborate with the gifts and his talents and the
strengths of Kayleb Williams. And right now it looks like
Ben Johnson is saying, this is how I did it
with Jared Goff. You need to be able to do
(08:33):
it like this, and him and Caleb aren't. They're not
on the same page. And I wonder how long they
gonna ride this thing out because one thing we know
about general managers, general managers want their head coach.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
One thing about head coaches. Head coaches want their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And I just wonder how long they start to look
at the backup who they've paid some money for, some
big time money for it, Majent, how long they look
he looked, he fits my mold, he fits what I
do better. Because because I could just see Ben Johnson
and Caleb Vinegar Water, I can see that can that
might be a problem at some point come week eight,
eight and eight, week nine, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
I just think it's too soon.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I mean, I don't you gotta You went and drafted
a first round quarterback, a top pick quarterback, You got
a brand new head coach, and your two games into
the season and you're talking about punting. I just that
makes no sense. You could bring in the backup quarterback
and if your defense gives up fifty points, guess what
he's gonna be losing two and then what do you do.
(09:30):
Don I just don't think that that's it. You have
to work through it. This is his first year with
Ben Johnson. I just what results are you expecting? Like,
I just don't even understand, like, Oh, it's gonna be
a well oiled machine and everything's gonna you gotta figure
it out. Nobody punted on Peyton Manning when he threw
twenty six interceptions or whatever it was his first game.
(09:50):
They didn't go like, oh my god, he won't be
able to do No. They work through it. You gotta
work through it, no matter what it is, to figure
out what's gonna work best for both the coach and
the player.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
That's my thing is a relationship. It seems like something
I don't know. I'm not in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Saying expect this is me. It seems if you could.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Watch TV and say what kind of relationships. I don't mean,
are they going out to have steak dinners? What I'm
talking about is Ben john It's almost like, again, we're
watching the interpersonal dye and he's every play, is dissecting
every play. He's looking at this. You can read it
all over his face. You can tell he's just not
feeling the way his quarterback is. Quarterback in and again
I found the quarterback. I'm saying, hey, can we all.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So when he did when they scored in the first drive,
did he have that look on his face too? Actually
he did last week. No, I'm talking about this week.
When they scored the first.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
He was at home. He was like, please Lord, let
this go. I'm back home. But I'm saying no, week
one he did. He was like, that's not how it
should have gone. Even though they scored. We actually talked
about that. Ben Johnson was kind of you can tell
he's frustrated because he's one of those this is the system,
this is how it should go and work, this is
how it should look. And even when they have success,
for those scientists type of guys, if it doesn't look
(11:05):
how it should, they sometimes still have issues with that
because well, what if it doesn't What if next time
it doesn't go the way it's supposed to, the way
you just made that happen this is the program. Stick
with the program, and they're gonna have to design some
stuff forward to Kayleb Williams strength, roll them out, get
him going, get him moving out there, some bootlegs to
his talent, because just sitting back there and asking him
the process when teams are starting to switch it up
and alter after those first drives, it seems like they're
(11:27):
not on the same page. But uh, but that will again,
it's a good bounce back for the Lions. Again, that's
exactly they did, exactly what they were supposed to do.
Come in there, make it hell to play in fort field,
get the offense going, strike, start early, strike early, and
then obviously make Cayleb Williams have to beat you, which
is asking a lot from a second year quarterback, first
(11:47):
with his new head coach.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Despite the Bears defense giving up fifty two points, do
you expect Caleb Williams to be benched at some point
in the season in Chicago. We'll continue that conversation next
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just went for a rob on fourth and goal and
that didn't get it. The Texans didn't get it. Steve Seger,
get you updated here in just a little bit. Eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox, taking some calls about the
game you had yesterday between the Lines and the Bears.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Some issues with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Are you concerned about Ben Johnson and Kaylyn Williams in
that relationship or if you also if you'd like the
way the Baians bounce back eight seven seven ninety nine
on Fox, we.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Got nobody's talking about the Lines. It's all about Ben Johnson.
How Bob don and the e P. You're on the
couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Don?
Speaker 5 (14:10):
No, it's not the e P.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
It's c up Calvin Robb.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
You know that all I didn't know what the e
P was to be. Of course the up we know that.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
How you doing, don I'm doing good.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
How do you guys doing.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
I'm a packer fan. I'm in that part of the up.
Listen what I haven't heard anybody talk about yet. And
of course Detroit's offensive, sensational, they're getting it, they're getting
figure it out right. But Ben Johnson is uh, he's
a nerd man. He's a he was a computer scientist
before he cut in the coaching. That's that's that's my background.
What I can tell you is we were nerds. We
(14:46):
have the biggest egos out of anybody ever met. Now
combine that with super charge meathead. You know, Steve Jobs
had Steve was man to keep him in check, and
now Ben Johnson don't got big Dan Campbell keep them
in check anymore. You think, so it's to kill them.
I can fix them. I can do whatever hasn't been
done before. Because I'm a computer scientist. I have a
(15:08):
better algorithm. I can prove things that haven't been done before.
Pe equals and p blah blah blah, Melon musclari Elson's jobs.
That's what it is. He's an ego maniac.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
That's interesting. Take from computer science people first, and you know,
talk about that. That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Thanks Don appreciated. Chili Tim in Atlanta. You're on the
yond couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Chili, yo yo?
Speaker 4 (15:28):
What up?
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Rub of Calvin?
Speaker 8 (15:31):
A couple of points. First of all, let's let's slow
our roll with the Lions, because we saw on the
last night that Ja just like everything else about Michigan,
the championship, the quarterback, and the coach are all for Gayzey, right,
So lit's slow our rolls. So uh, the Bears are
probably just as worse as we thought they were.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
So the Lions, you know, you don't say the worst
that we thought they were. Everybody had the Bears being good.
Stop it, Chili, don't do that. Don't do that naturally.
Speaker 8 (16:01):
And then segative all I'm just saying, slowly rolls. The
Birds are bad team. So you know, you put up
fifty two points against a bad team. I'm not gonna
get too excited about that. Let me let me say
a little bit of competition before I say.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
You go right unless your alliance fan go ahead.
Speaker 8 (16:14):
And then second of all, you know if Ben Johnson,
if he is doing that, then he's wrong because you
remember Greg Roman had h he had Alex Smith and
Colin Kaepernick came along. What did he do? He said, Okay,
so let me fit something to find this guy. He
did the same thing with Lamar Jackson. I person believed
had he been been the officive coordinated when the Ravens
(16:36):
were in the Ascent Championship, Lamar Jackson probably would have
a Super Bowl. Greg Roman wouldn't know to run the ball.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
You remember that that was a terrible game plan exactly.
Speaker 8 (16:45):
So miss Ben Johnson needs to take a place. You know,
do like Greg Rohman. You got a guy that's a
great athlete. Fit the skills, because it's become more successful
for you and you'll look better in the along.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Runer Chillie.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
One of the greatest coaching performers was pat Riley uh
Right when he left the Lakers and he goes to
the NYT year and he doesn't try to do showtime.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
They don't have showtime players. What do you do?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
He totally adjusted his coaching style to fit what he has.
That's what coaches do. You set up the players to
be in their best right. That's why Ravens have been
a really good organization with that. They find a player,
they said, John Harbor on the team we're gonna run
the system to you, Lamar, not gonna make you be
a slash Cordell Stewart doing this stuff. No, you're gonna
be our quarterback and we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
We're gonna go down. That's what you should do. Andre.
In Mississippi, you're in the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
What's up? Andre?
Speaker 5 (17:41):
What's going on? Guys?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Y'all want to talk about Chicago and Detroit. Let's hear
real Chicago's with Chicago's always being different quarterback saves all different.
Coach says, So what what don't we real good talking
about here?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Man?
Speaker 4 (18:01):
That's a good question. I don't know. I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Driving, But the man, thirty years have been the same
thing in Chicago. We came out of the corner, may oh,
we need a great coach, but got me.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
You know, had a whole bunch of coaches and a
whole bunch.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Of cornerback and it been the same thing. Don't tell
me about the eighty five marriage because it's twenty twenty five.
I don't want to hear about that no more. What
are you doing for me lately? Nothing?
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I got I all that I hear you dreamed. A
lot of people in Chicago were excited. They we got
a new corterinator that can help Caleb our number one pick.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
They're excited about it. Dion in Texas, you're on the
couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Dion? Dion?
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Heb Yes, it's hurt that.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
We got you. Okay, you got no yep, we got you.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
It's interesting, man, because you know, Caleb Williams and Trevor
Lawrence are like, hey, you can't miss on these guys.
See here death your number one quarterbacks. I'm I'm man.
The first thing I thought about, man, maybe they should
trade those guys, you know they maybe they both need
a change of scenery. Because Caleb, man, he just don't
look like Caleb. You typically have a sophomore slump in
your second year, and here it is his second year.
(19:15):
He's looking worse this year than he is last year.
And also Ben Johnson is not helping. Maybe Ben Johnson's
a better offensive coordinator than head coach.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Now I'm glad you brought that up too, because you know,
now he's a head coach, is a lot of other things. Also,
you got to help fix that defense. And not giving
up a running point. Right, You make your quarterback one
dimensional when you when you can't stop the other team.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
Absolutely, it's both. Like you said, they got to work
this thing through and but Durnet Kelvin was your spot on.
I kind of thought about the same thing. I said, Man,
he wanted to go to he wanted this job a
cause of Kaylub. But maybe Caleb is not his guy.
So we'll see.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
We'll get doing that.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
All the time.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Man, you appreciate general mans, what their head coach, head coach,
what their quarterback. That's how that stuff goes. I appreciate
you all all right all the way. We've got to
have a conversation by what happened with the Steelers? Is
it Aaron Rodgers or something else to problem? We'll tell
you next. It is the odd couple Right now, Steve
Seger gonna get you set on what's trending, hasty.
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Speaker 3 (20:19):
It is the Odd cover Rob Parker, Covid Washington on
a thank you Steve appreciate you as always. Have a
great night, Magic City Monday and ake and E stiff
back joints not cooperating. Some days your body is just
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Used as directed, Rob G, you wanna set us up
(20:43):
with the Steelers, don't be so excited. The Steelers obviously
looking they were having the chance to go to and
oh ended up not being the case for them, and
a bunch of turnovers in the defense, letting the offense
of the other side score a bunch of points as well.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
Yeah, everything that could go wrong did go right for
Pitts progress against the Seattle Seahawks Against Sam Darnold in
the Seahawks. First off, you have Caleb Johnson, rookie running back.
I guess doesn't know the new kickoff rules because he
lets the ball go past him into the end zone,
which by the new rules of course of Atlantic wieen
the goal line and the twenty that ball is live
no matter what happens. And it went into the end zone,
(21:19):
he'd even attempt to try to recover it. Seattle rushes
down there to get it. They don't recover it either,
but since it goes out of the back of the
end zone, it becomes a touchdown, So seven points there.
Aaron Rodgers throws two interceptions, including one of them in
the end zone, which after the game he ended up
blaming his receiver. For now, I'm sure he was right,
because even the receivers that he was right.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
It just wasn't a great look for him to do
that after the game.
Speaker 9 (21:40):
And the last, but not least, probably the most egregious thing,
the Steelers defense. That vaunted Steelers defense with TJ. Watt
and Jalen Ramsey and big play Darius Lay is currently
giving up thirty one and a half points per game
through the first two weeks and just about four hundred
yards per game. Were it not for a sixty yard
Chris Boswell field goal in Week one, we could be
(22:01):
talking about the zero to two Pittsburgh Steelers. So, guys,
here's the question. What's the biggest problem right now in Pittsburgh?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
For me is what I thought it would be coming
into when I talked about this last season during the
off season. They're not good defensively, everybody thinks they are
is they're not as good as you think. They don't
have a running back and running game. They got rid
of Naji here, they got rid of back, so they
don't have a running game. And you're gonna need Aaron Rodgers,
who is not built right now at this point in
his life, to bring you back. You're gonna have to
have some games where you're up, have some game where
(22:29):
you're controlling the clock, and have some games where the
defense can do some things. And I don't think they're
built that way right now, so they're gonna put him
in some non advantageous situations. So I don't like the
way they're constructed. I thought my whole point was they
need to be building for the future, and they're gonna
be putting Aaron Rodgers in some positions where he's gonna
have to make plays that he's not able to. And
(22:50):
remember we had that was it an anonymous person or
Execuly was talking about anonymous coach who was saying, how
you know he was watching Week one and there's some
throws that Aaron Rodgers made off his back foot. He
was doing things that should have been interceptions and that
you can't get away with and even I was like,
all right, that's a little extra right now, you put
a little extra sauce on that. As we got a
block punt and the Texans recovered from the block punt
(23:13):
of the Buccaneers.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
We'll get to that just a second.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
There were some throws that Aaron Rodgers made that I
was like, oh, there's one in fact, by the guy
who ended up getting the interception. Ultimately one you were
referenced again, Zoe. He threw it right, I mean right
at him, about ten yards away, directly out of him.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I can't believe he didn't catch that.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
So it was interesting hearing that, me saying all right,
come on, you put a little etra sauce on that.
Then the next week, which was yesterday, watching that. So
I just don't like the way they're constructed. Again, I
don't think they're that great defensive. Will you let the
Jets put a four hundred yards of offense on you
thirty two points the Jets? Then you turn around and
let Sam Donald and his new team do the same
as well. So I have a lot of concerns if
(23:50):
I'm the Steelers based off of things I said well
before this season. I don't think they run the ball,
but I don't have a single type of running game.
This is not the two thousand, three four five sixty
seven eight Steelers you picture in your head with Big Ben,
Jerome bettis fast, Willie Parker.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
This isn't that. And the defense is not again in
all Pittsburgh Steelers in your head. Defense.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, it's a defensive problem that they got to get
sorted out. You can't give up four hundred yards and
thirty one or two points a game and expect to win.
I don't. You just can't do it. And then you're
adding the mixing the turnovers. You're not gonna have. Nobody's perfect,
No one's going to be able to have zero you know,
interceptions and what It's just that's not football, that's not
(24:30):
how it plays. We saw Jared Golf in the postseason
when it you know what it mad at most all
year he didn't turn the ball over like that, and
what happened he had four turnovers. Turnovers are a part
of the game, but you also have to be able
to stop the other team and make the offense not predictable,
and that's what they've been so far. But there is
(24:56):
no future. There is No, you're not playing for the future.
You haven't won a playoff game in was ten years
that that whole idea of building for the future is now.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
It's just not where you say. I'm really asking you
because I don't. Because I don't. I don't think that
that's where you are. I just when you're.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Saying you specifically, the Steelers are your team, any team.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
See, that's why I don't agree. I don't. I don't
agree any team. I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's not the way you go in thinking that, Oh, yeah,
we're gonna we'll build for the next five You're the
Minnesota Viking. You got a young quarter you're thinking. No,
I got one of the best receivers in the game.
I got guys who can run the ball. I got
a good defense. No, I'm gonna add him in hopefully
doesn't turn the ball over too much and we can.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
That's the exact team I was gonna say. You have
Sam Donald, who you figure is gonna be at least
even in fourteen and three. You go twelve and something
and you got a chance. They said, JJ is our guy,
that's our future.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
No, that's not it.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
They don't believe in Sam Donald because in the two
biggest games of the year he went the bed and
you and they don't want to pay a guy like that.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Because they have their guy, They have the guy believe
in going.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Up to get him at twinth. It was because it
was more.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Because they didn't believe in Sam Dark because if they
really believed in Sam Donald, they could have pushed JJ
another year or so if they wanted to go get
airon Er. It's about That's why they didn't even think
about Aaron Rodgers, because they said, we have our guy
and JJ. That's the exact You couldn't have brought up
a better example. We have our guy and Sam Donald's
played well nobody.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
But you know what we're willing to move. We jump
you talking.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
About about down the road to build for the future.
That's not what people are trying to compete now. You
don't have three years.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
You know what I don't bring up to you don't
Matt Flynn, We got it. Got Russell Wilson is our guy.
We got our young guy in the future and that
guy and that guy. My point is you have to
start to have you can have to stay sign but
that's not the point of being nine and eight, ten
and seven.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
For one random season, they had a playoff game in
almost a decade. They're trying this team, that's what they're
trying to do, and that's always do that. I oh,
Russell couldn't play.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I owe Russell Wilson an apology because I said, Aaron
Rodgers is gonna look like Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
No he ain't. Aaron Rodgers ain't throwing no four hundred
and fifty yards and you're touched out. I'm gonna game.
I'm gonna gave Russell Wilson won so far with the
four hundreds.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
He ain't doing that, guy. I thought so Russell Wilson
was my bad on that bro. I thought I told
Aaron Rodgers he could be like you.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I take that back. That's on your boy. I take
I own that one. Just the air is now, you.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Wouldn't be a general manager long talking about some futures.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I would know you would, because I absolutely with a win.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Now, like a fan of a team that never won,
you like say of a team that's never won anything.
So you think, oh, yeah, we got five years. It
ain't no five years, you're not going to be around.
And the NFL stands for NFL not for long. And
so this whole idea, you put the best team available.
Now I might not work out, you might not win.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
It ain't.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
But you can't do that. You ain't talking about.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
No next year down the road that you can't.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
If there was somebody who had an opportunity to build
for years, it would be Mike Tomlin. So meeting two
three years, he's we're gonna find our guy. We're gonna start.
He's the guy who can because he's with an organization
doesn't fire him.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
They haven't want a playoff game in nine years.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
He needs to win.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
What he needs to win now, the one he needs
to win. Now, that's what it was.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Quarterback the Steelers win now they need to win a playoff,
and they went inside, said they need They went inside,
maybe Russell Wilson light that's your answer.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yes, Well, then good luck Steelers because you'll be exactly
where you were last year. Have we You'll win, You'll
win three or four. You're gonna lose three or four.
All I'm saying went to the playoffs start. They want
to win a playoff and they went a horrible stretch
of the playoffs. Did they win the playoffs? Did they
go to the playoffs last year. Wait, you just said
it's about winning.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
No, I'm asking you.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Did they go yes, they want Okay, the idea glorible
win a playoff game. That's the game, straight, Rob, that's
not did they make the playoffs game?
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Wait? So that's what they do. So what's the issue. Okay,
the idea is trying to win a playoff game. Trying
to win five years later. That's hoping to win. Nobody
ain't nobody, So we can have a five six years.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Baker Mayfield in the Bucks, they're trying to win now.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
C J.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Stroud in the Texas, they're trying to win the time
right now. And you know what team that's.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
The team that's got a five year playing with a
young quarterback.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Every team has a young quarterback. No, that's not.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
You don't think command. You don't think the command. That's
not they're trying to win. You don't think Justin Herder
got to win. You find your guy. They're trying to win.
You don't think Buffalo Bills were excited they found a guy.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
You win. You don't Aaron Rodgers trying to win. They're
trying to win. That's a terrible attempt to win, is
all I'm saying, Rob, Why don't you disagree with them?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Well with the movie, that's fine, But the idea in
the NFL is to try to win, give yourself the
best chance every year.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Ideas?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Am I opening my finding my quarterback? It's what the
it's what the forty nine ers?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
There's fifteen teams that need a quarterback? What's finding your quarterback?
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Proving?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
There's fourteen team? So what does that mean? You're proving
my there's old guys playing? You know why there's no playing,
there's no quarterbacks out.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
You know what you're doing? You furthering my point. No,
I'm not why I find my guys. You that's why
you want to find I'm not making your quarterly are
I know why?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I go to.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Justin Field? That's the quarterback? How do you look this week?
You go?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
How did Justin Field look this week? I'm asking you.
I don't talk about no, I'm asking you how did
he look? I'm talking about it was the quarterback you
wanted them to stay with, and you did he? How
did he look this week? With the Jets?
Speaker 4 (30:49):
And week two? That's all? You can't find your guy?
Marded Aaron Rodgers eight seven. Let's go his last call.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Time you go find your you just mentioned in fifteen Teams,
it's the same old fifteen teams who found their guy
Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert Patrick. No, you missed the point,
Jared Goff, Dayton Daniels missed the bow Knicks. I go
down the list. Did the Rams have their guy with
Jared Golf or not? No, he was They want the guy.
They went to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
He wasn't there. They got a chance to go Matthew
the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
What is Matthew Statthews Stafford was zero and three in
the postseason, but they got him. That's not why they
got him. That's not why that math. Stafford was not
a better quarter he wasn't a better quarterback. And the
problem was they didn't believe in Jared Golf. That's why
Ox sports.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Rader now, Matthew Stafford at that time wouldn't been a
He was terrible. Ox sports Rader.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I watched every single game of his He was terrible,
still terrible.
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