February 17, 2023 • 38 mins
Chris and Rob use Michael Jordan's 60th birthday to remind us that he's the Greatest of All-Time and tell us why the Los Angeles Clippers would be the best landing spot for Russell Westbrook. Plus, former NFL scout Daniel Kelly checks in to discuss why he likes Taylor Heinicke as the next quarterback for the New York Jets, the idea that the Chicago Bears should trade Justin Fields and take another quarterback first overall, why he has CJ Stroud over Bryce Young as an NFL prospect and much more!
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talk to him. Are they, you know, should they go
after Rodgers, should they try to get Lamar Jackson, or
should they go for Derek car A lot of good
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things to talk about with these Jets, so we look
forward to having him at the bottom of the hour.
But first we're gonna stick with the NBA as they
enter their All Star weekend and Rob Today is Michael
Jordan's sixtieth birthday, and everyone knows that you and I
think he's the goat. So I think we can make
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our quick cases. We don't have to go through everything
because people have heard us talk about it before. But
I want to throw it out maybe an extended cause period.
And I've said this robe for a long time, and
we'll see if it becomes the case. But a lot
of older players, older like before Jordan, they don't necessarily
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call him to go Guys of his generation, guys after
him seem all unanimously view him as a goat, but
the guys before him don't. And or he's certainly not
definitively you know, a lot of them, Rob will just
kind of say, oh, there is none, and you know
they are all these great players and blah blah blah.
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But I've thought for a while, Rob that when the millennials,
when the millennials are controlling the narrative, when they're the
ones doing shows like you and I have and they're
the predominant voice on television, on radio, on podcast, that's
when Lebrin may become viewed as the goat at least
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because they'll be dominating the narrative, and they'll push that,
just like our generation has said it's Jordan, even though
their generation before it may not necessarily think that. I
don't know if that will be the case. I think
the Last Dance, and you and I've talked about it,
that really put a dent in Lebrin's case, even with millennials.
We saw that with the polling after that. But I
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think Lebron got a little surge by becoming the all
time leading scorer. Um obviously it was the time you
couldn't tell it the Super Bowl though, Yeah, yeah, that's
that's that's fine. I mean, but I think that, you know,
he's never gonna be as popular as Michael Jordan. Uh,
he's certainly more polarizing. But I do think that put
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you know, his historical achievements and his longevity out on
front streets. So I don't know. I mean, maybe it'll
you know, maybe that won't be That's why I want
to hear from the callers. I'll say this, this is
the one thing I do not agree with you. And
I understand what you're saying about who will be controlling
the narrative. But the problem I have with that as
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if he plays four years, four more years and plays
twenty three or twenty four years, and that's four championships.
That's a hard case to make. I agree. I just
think that before you, Yeah, I really do, Chris, Like
you gotta sit there and then try to convince somebody
they played twenty four years and won four championships and
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Steph Curry played during the same year and has more,
could have more? Do you know what I'm saying, Like, like,
that's a hard case to make. Even if you're win
that narrative, but I am what you're saying, it will
be different people talking. But that's what hurts Lebron. I
really do the longer he plays. Actually, well, that's a
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good point. And Rob, Michael Jordan won a championship. He
won six and fifteen years. He won a championship two
out of every three years. Think about that, so every
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He won a championship every two
and a half, right, right, so every three seasons he
was raising up the Larry O'Brien Trophy, you know what
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I mean. He did it sixth straight essentially, but still
and Rob, let's keep it real. Two of those seasons.
I mean, if people want to get technical. We Lebron
was hurt some of the years in La Okay. But
I would say two of two of Jordan's seasons. Rob
the second year he came back with like eighteen games
left or seventeen left the season. I'm dead serious, you can't.
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And then he came back from baseball, right and played
like eighteen games and they got me seasons. Those are
two seats. So he had eleven seasons with the Bulls,
like eleven full seasons with the Bulls and won six.
That's almost that's more than half more than half that
that's And and like you said, Lebron is four in
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nineteen years at this point. And if he's winning, if
they don't win it this year, he's winning it one
out every five years. Jordan won twice as many, you know,
according to the math. You know what I'm saying in
terms of per year, right, He's winning them every two
and a half years. Lebron's in him every five years
if he doesn't win it this year, and it could
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get worse, Rob, like you said it twenty three, twenty
four years. So I'm with you, um, and I just
think and we'll make our quick cases. And Rob just
made a good one, and then we want to hear
from you. Guys. Look, if you think it's Jordan, fine,
you can call in, but we really want to hear
with the guy. We want to hear. You make a
case for Lebron, we don't want to hear or whoever
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we don't want to hear. We're telling you, Jordan, we
want to hear from you guys that think it is
Lebron or somebody else. And let's let's give them some time. Chris,
we can and give you time, but no Jordan calls.
We already know we don't need to hear the same
argument Chris and I have put up for him. So
it's really the other people that's what we want to hear.
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We want to hear from you, guys. I'll say this, Rob,
and this has been one of my my arguments. Lebron
as great as he's been in both you and I
and this is like, like we said, people got to mature.
Just because we think Lebron is not the goal doesn't
mean he's doesn't mean we don't like him, doesn't mean
we're haters, doesn't mean we don't think he played. I've
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had a good relationship with Lebron. I've written tons of
stories about him, you know, and and and you know
had one on ones with him and all that, um.
But I'm just objectively looking at it. Rob. He did
not dominate the NBA, not close to the way Jordan did.
He just didn't. I mean individually, Jordan led the league
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in thirteen times in the category rob ten times, in
scoring three times and steals. Lebron's led in two categories twice,
like once in scoring and once in assists. We talked
about the winning Remember when Lebron had the great run
in the East and he got to the finals eight
straight years. He locked it eat the East down, the
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East belonged to him. Problem is Michael Jordan did that
with the whole league, right like it wasn't just the East.
And and if you want and if you want to
go take a look and you can say whatever whatever reason, say, well, Michael,
the league expansion, they had all these weak teams, there
were no good teams. Asked the ten Hall of Famers
Chris that Michael Jordan prevented from winning a championship. Forget
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about those other bad teams. So that you want to
bring up or expansion teams asked Patrick Ewing and Reggie
Miller and all those guys, and Calm Lauren and John Stock.
Charles asked them. Yep, And it might have been a
la Juan and Drexler had he hadn't been tired, and
he dominated the best era of big men we've ever seen. Rob,
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And that didn't happen. They owned the league, They owned
the league, and he came in and took it away
from him, and um, yeah, it's and I say this quickly,
and they will open it up for the callers. Uh,
because a lot of people are big into saying now
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that Jordan dominated a water down league that the players
are better today. I'll give you that the players are
more athletic today. I'll give you that they can dribble better,
you know, by like most positions, can handle the ball better.
But a lot of that is because they let you carry.
I mean, they really let you carry, you know, I
was Rob. My mom is seventy eight years old and
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she's watching them, and we watched the game and she
can't stop talking about look at how they carrying the ball.
Eight year old lady with the men, And she's right.
And so that enables you to handle the ball a
lot better. Rob, they could hand check. They could hand check,
So eat all this shaking bake you're doing and creating
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space that wouldn't be happening if you could hand check.
Used to be able to put a hand like this,
Chris on your back. And then they changed it to
the ben elbow. YEA, so you know there, I don't.
I think the team's inn were just as good. They
played better team basketball. Guys are more athletic, they shoot better,
they handle better, but they played team basketball better back then.
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And Rob, you noticed there were some athletes back then too.
Don't act like dudes couldn't jump. Dudes weren't quick, dudes
weren't strong. There were athletes then two who were tremendous
and they knew how to play as a team better
than the guys today. Five man basketball. All right, we're
throwing it out to you, Lebron fans, Kareem fans, whoever else,
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com studios. Your turn the Way in. Tell us why
Michael Jordan is not the goat and who is better?
You're turned away in eight seven, seven ninety nine on
Fox's Chris A. Robb The Ey Couple. All right, Chris,
let's kick it off with Kyle in California. You're on
They Couple of Fox Sportsuded. What of Kyle Hey, Rob Chris,
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longtime listener, first time caller, Thank you, brother, Hey, thank you,
thank for your support. Kyle. We appreciate you. All right.
So my thoughts on this is, uh, you know, I
really despise Lebron James, I really do, but I have
to acknowledge that he's probably the greatest of all time
because he's the most complete player of all time in
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terms of defense, being able to you know, get assists,
rack up points, and if it comes down to the
end of the game, I want MJ taking the shot,
but I have to respect Lebron's body of work. And
so that's kind of the the argument I would make
for him. All Right, you say you don't want you
want MJ at the end of the game to take
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that final shot. Thanks Kyle. Jordan was a better defender, yes, Chris,
Defensive Player of the Year nine time All Defensive Team
Lebron sixth time. I mean, best player in the league,
arguably on both sides of the floor, at least that
one year he was definitely at MVPN DP. Why lou
in Salem, Oregon You're in the odd couple of Fox
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Sports Radio instead of Salem Massachusetts. What's up, lou Hey, guys.
So you know, I'm too young to have seen Bill
Russell play, but you look at his body of work
and highlights and in the in the record books, and
I just don't think that there's anybody else. He played
against Will Chamberlain and won what eight out of nine
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championships or nine out of ten championships. He was a
complete player on defense and offense except for three point
in shot that the didn't exist. Then the question is,
you know, would he how would you do? Now? I
think he'd dominate now for anybody of his He had
a brain. He was smart, and he was athletic, and
he was gifted, and he was an all around player.
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I don't think anybody can come close to Will Chamberlain,
not even Jordan, Not even Jordan's all right, Bill Happy,
eleven eleven rays in thirteen years, Rob, It's unbelievable. Um. However,
here's my argument against Russell versus Jordan. Bill certainly dominated winning,
but he didn't dominate individually as much as what do
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you average? Fourteen points fifteen points a game for his
career rout on that's not that's not all time great.
And the other thing with the championships, Chris, I'm not
knocking them. They wanted, but there were eight or ten
teams in the NBA and there was no free agency.
So Chris, if you had a stacked team, go back
in the fifties. The Yankees won all the World Series,
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the Celtics won all the championships, the Montreal Canadians won
all the Stanley Cups, and the Packers won all. Chris,
during that year, you couldn't move that great team. That's
why that's why the trophy named after Lombardi because of
the Packers. I'm telling you, that was the era that
that happened. All right, absolutely, Chris in Florida. You're in
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the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What up, Chris,
How are you guys doing? Thank you? We're doing great,
Thanks Chris. All right, So my argument, I'm born raised
in Cleveland, so I'm big Lebron fan. I think Lebron
is better. I think the first thing you have to
say is how you would define who's the greatest of
all time, order the characteristics and then get those out
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of the way. I think the reason why Lebrons is
better it's just as you guys mentioned before, he dominated
the East, and he dominated so well. And just look
at the teams that he took to the finals all
those years, like he had Mo Williams and Delante West
some of those times. And I mean against the greatest
shooter ever, against Steph Curry. He took up against his
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entire bench because Kyrie and Kevin Love couldn't play. And
he did that his first year back in Cleveland. And
to argue against Jordan, you guys were looking at the
eleven seasons with the Bulls, which I'm completely impressive that
I won six out of eleven. That's incredible. But I
think it's not very fair that you're looking at just
the seasons he was with the Bulls and not all
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the time that he played in the NBA. Well, we said, look,
six out of fifteen, that's still won every two and
a half years a championship. Yeah, I'll give you. I
do agree. I think Lebron because he, you know, ball dominant,
but was so great and could control the tempo. I
think there's no other player that could just do more
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with less. Now, he never was able to get like
a mediocre cast to a championship, but he could get
him deep in the playoffs, have him win sixty some
of my games. He I give him that, I you know,
but you gotta give him get him over the top
at some point. And when he had the great teams,
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he didn't win it all the time. You know, Miami
two or four, Rob we talked about that was the
one that he could have separated Chris because so few
teams have won three in a row. Right, Jordan did
it twice and then did it twice Shack and Kobe.
That's it. Lebron had that chance, and they they wind
up that the great team in Miami won two out
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of four, loose into a bad Dallas team that shouldn't
have beat them, and that was Lebron and Lebron and
he would admit that he's the guy that wasn't himself. Right,
Let's go to gym and California. You're on the odd
couple of Fox Sports Radio. So yeah, I think that
anybody to argue Lebron zascinon because he hasn't dominated his era.
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Kobe Brant absolutely dominated his era the nineties. The nineties
was Jordan's, but the early two thousands was Kobe's. Nobody
in the NBA wanted to face Kobe Bryant, and he dominated.
So you got Kobe as a goal. Kobe is a goal.
Even though we don't have the hardware that Jordan has.
He didn't win the six championships. But if Kobe Bryant
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played in any era, in any time, he can he
can beat you so many different ways. Well, I think
all of these guys would be great in any era.
I mean, Lebron's, Jordan, all of them. But here's here's
the problem with the Kobe argument. Robb And I know
you know this already. Know I'm with you already without
you saying that first three championships he was the second
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best player on the team. And that doesn't mean he
was a bomb or play he sho was the most
dominating player in the NBA. Chris, he was right. There's
no no doubt about you. And if you go back
and say he wasn't your lying right and then Kobe,
you know he looked. Kobe's great, but he wasn't the
most efficient shooter, never shot better than forty six percent
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from the floor. Rob They used to say Dominique Wilkins
was a gunner in the eighties when he shot like
forty eight percent, forty seven percent, and Kobe never even
hit those numbers with shock drawing double and triple teams.
No doubt that would be my argument against Kobe. We
got a couple more, David in Nashville. You're on the
odd couple of Fox Sports traded. What up, David, Hey,
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thank you a long time, first time, Yes, thank you. Listen.
Did Michael Joe never score one hundred points in the
single game? No, he didn't. He didn't need Wilton Norman
Chamberlain did. Did Michael Jordan every ground fifty five rebounds
in the single game? He didn't come close, but Wilt
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Chamberlain did. Why did Michael Lord never leave the league
in the fifth but Will Chamberlain did. Wilton Norman Chamberlain
is the single most dominant force to ever play basketball.
It's not even close. And I know the argument. Bill
Russell won eleven nine eleven championships, Russell, Chamberlain won two.
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But Russell had like six other All Stars on his team,
and Chamberlain would have won more if he had coaches
that would put him on the floor. In the last
two minutes, Wilton simply stated, the most dominant force in
the history of basketball. I love you guys, thank you,
And then that's I liked that call. That's an impassioned call.
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And he made a good argument. Rob, He made a
good argument. But Rob played three seasons with Elgin, Baylor
and Jerry West and they didn't win it. He ended
up winning it when when Elgin retired and Gail Goodridge
came in, and that year he averaged fourteen points a game.
So Will, like Russell, dominated in terms of winning, but
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not necessarily individually in terms of stats. Will dominated individually
in terms of stats but not winning. He got two rings,
and he had some good teams. I get it that
Russell had a stack team, but let's face it, a
lot of those dudes ribs are Hall of famers because Russell,
they won so much, you know, but they got in
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one thing. I know, we're up against it. You cannot
say that Will Chamberlain didn't win and used that against
him when five minutes ago you said the only reason
Bill Russell won because he had all the best players.
So it can't be both. I didn't say that. You
got there seemed to be because the reason why Bill
Russell gets knocked it's because he had all the good players. No,
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but but back then, And my only point is that
it was just that once you had a good team, Chris,
it didn't break up over free agency, That's what I'm saying.
But couldn't do that. You'll argue that free agency is
why the NBA was watered down in the nineties, as
Larry Bird ump. No. But the problem is that the
show is look at those ten Hall of Famers that
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didn't get in. They went to the finals, they didn't win.
And my biggest issue with Russell rob is fifteen points
on forty four percent shooting. But I mean, as a
guy that's one of the biggest players in the league
at that point, he was most of the shots. Yeah
it was six to nine at least, and he was
shooting most of his shots around the rim, and you
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only shot forty four percent. I'm just saying, like, you know,
that's my main thing. But uh, he was a winner,
and I think he's the greatest winner in American sports.
His even better than Tom Brady in that regard. So
I give him that. And he is an all time
great and he beat Will, no doubt, he owned Will
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when it counted as far as winning. All Right, that
was fun. Glad you guys weighed in and we're glad
you brought your arguments. It is the eye couple, Christ
and Rob. We got Daniel Kelly, former NFL scout for
the New York Jets, coming up. Fox Sports Radio has
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within the iHeart Radio app search f SR to listen live.
We welcome in a former NFL scout for the New
York Jets. Has been on the show before and brought it,
so we've had to bring him back. Daniel Kelly. Dan,
you're welcome to the show. Hey, thank you guys. How
are you doing tonight? We're great, man, and it's a
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great time to talk to a former Jet scout. So
let's get right to it. Which quarterback should they be
looking at or coveting the most? There's talk of Lamar,
there's talk of Aaron Rodgers, there's talk of Derek Carr.
Which one should they be going after the hardest? Well,
there's a lot of choices that choose from. And I
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think the very first thing which I've written for si
Jets they have to look at is getting themselves an
offensive line. You know that that's the That's the first
thing in order. But outside of that, I really like
Taylor Heineke is a name that hasn't been mentioned yet
from Washington for the Jets. I think he would be
a good fit. He's a guy that has some mobility,
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He's tough as nails and would help to cover up something.
I mean, he's a nice little stop is my is
my headphones that plugged in? I mean, really, no, I'd
rather have a Heineken Thane and had a few too
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many Heineken. I mean, with respect that, well, that's the
guy I think is most realistic. I just don't see
a guy like a Derek Carr or a Jimmy Garoppolo
or any of the rest of these guys are a
Lamar Jackson. I mean, the offensive line with the New
York Jets is in the shambles right now. Guys. I
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mean I look at them. I studied them. They got
seven offensive lineman currently under contract, really nothing viable at
the offensive tackle position. They're hoping Bekai Beckton can come
back after a couple of years on the shelf, struggling
with the weight issues and injury issues. Max Mitchell was
out with the blood clot issue you know there, you
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know they have issues, you know, but govern's probably leaving
the center Linke and Thomlinson the guard with a huge disappointment.
And then of course Baron Tucker the right guard is
coming back off an injury, and they really don't have
any depth. And they're really three million dollars over the
cap at this point. And I know you can clear
cap space and all the good stuff, but I just
don't see how they're going to feel that in offensive
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line that's going to be attractive enough for some of
this this this top talent a quarterback. I mean, because
if it was I would say, sure, go get Lamar.
I've I've written articles about go get a Jimmy g
makes sense, Robert Salmo was on in San Francisco. But
that offensive line, I just don't see any of these guys,
like almost a forty year old Aaron Rodgers wanting to
stand behind that line. How about So what's going to
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happen with Zach Wilson, Like what's to deal with him
and uh Mike White as we move forward? What are they?
What are their roles? One of those two got to
be gone? Or what's going to happen? Well, that's a
great question. I mean Zach Wilson, I mean he said
he's gonna make it pretty tough on whoever comes in there.
I don't know if that's gonna be a really good dynamic.
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And of course, you know he's pretty pretty tied into
that situation with his uncle, with with the owner there,
with the Jets and everything with the Jet Blue Airlines
the official airlines in the New York Jets, So that's
gonna be a really interesting situation. I think Mike White
has been really underappreciated with the Jets. I wouldn't be
a bit surprised to see him finally leave. I do
think he's probably the best option. I just don't think
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they're sold on the way they treat them so far
them When you see I like, I like Derek carr
Um and I get a pipe dream. I'll give you
that if he becomes available, he's the first guy I'm
going after. Aaron. I just think with his age, does
he fit the time to timeline with Garrett Wilson and
Breece Hall and the young team And but Derek carr
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has never had a defense inside the top twenty in
his career. He's had six head coaches, five offensive coordinators.
The Jets have a very good defense, They've got some weapons,
and he'd be much cheaper than Rogers and you don't
have to give up the draft picks. I look, Heiinik's
done a he's been great for what he is, But
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why not? I like Derek Carr there? Um, you know what,
what do you think about him in New York with
the Jets? It's very possible. I mean, if they can
free up the cap space, it's a it's a very
possible you know, something that could happen for sure. Okay, yeah, no,
I'm Chris, I'm with you on that. Derek Carr. Uh
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the Jets. Robert sala I thought, uh overreacted during the
season and they looked like they were going to make
the playoffs and then you know, they couldn't score again.
I mean it was embarrassing, to be honest, how bad
it was at the end. I can't remember the exact
numbers they had, like what was it like four touchdowns
in the last seven games or something like that. It
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was really really bad. H how about where is he? Uh?
And and and if they don't capitalize or bounce back
from this season, will you start to look at him,
uh and and think maybe he's part of the problem. Yeah,
it's it's very distinctly possible. I mean, things just having
clicked for them the way they need to click. And
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you know, I think there's a lot going on inside
the inside the building. Um, you know, it's something from
Joe Douglas on down. The way this team has been built.
I mean, it's really baffling to me even looking at
Joe Douglas because the offensive line is so important on
an NFL team, But he's only US four of his
draft fixed over the last three drafts to bring in lineman.
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So you know, it's just kind of interesting. The whole
internal structure of that team is really an interesting dynamic
to study. No, you're right about their offensive line. I mean,
I give you that they gotta get that fixed. Unless
they're gonna go out and get Joe Burrow, then they
need to get an offensive line, no doubt about that.
Let me ask you about this. Let's go around the
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league justin fields. Now. There's reports that they might move
on from him in draft the quarterback. Do you think
that would be wise? I mean, no matter how I mean,
are you that in love with Stroud or Bryce Young, Like,
do you think they should do that? Well, I am
and I really do like Stroud and Bryce Young, but
I just don't. I don't think they can move on
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Justin Fields. I think he showed up, you know, took
a big step forward this last season. Justin Fields was
m QB one and twenty twenty one coming out of
the Ohio State, and I think they got something really
good going there with him. The way he's a dual
threat quarterback, He's very dynamic, He's a guy that you know,
I think they can build and put some pieces around,
and I think they really have something there in Chicago.
(29:15):
I think it would be a huge mistake by the
Bears to try to trade Fields and start all over
with the rookie, because you know, as we've seen over
the last few years that it's you know, when these
rookies come into the league, it's a tremendous transition, no
matter who it is, and you know, just to take
a step back or two like that, and you know,
it would just really be a huge mistake by Chicago.
(29:36):
I think I think Justin Fields is the guy there.
I always have. Look, I haven't delved into all the
tape or CJ. Stroud and Bryce Young. I like them both,
but I kind of like Stroud better. What do you
think about the comparing those two, Well, they're both very
interesting and different type of types of quarterbacks. I mean,
(29:58):
Stroud is somebody who's a you know, it's the first
time in forty years I've ever you know, we hear
this term generational talent throwing around. It's the first time
I've ever used the term on CJ. Strout just absolutely.
I really like what I see out of him. I've
compared him to a Warren Moon. He's a guy that
I feel is in my affection and nickname for him
(30:21):
is a human jugs machine. You know that machine that
spits out in foot that practice. This guy. This guy
has just a tremendous a calm but a very urgent
tempo to him, which I think is important from the
quarterback position. He's a guy that navigates in the pocket
like a ten year of bet and the things I
like about him why I think he's gonna be a
very easy and smooth transition to the NFL level is
(30:44):
because he's able to process information so quickly, both pre
and post snap. He reads things very quickly. He also
makes quick decisions with the football. Of course, that's the
league that everybody sees in all these days, you know
where quarterbacks are making that making the throw ideally in
the average a two point five seconds, some a little
bit quicker. Stroud makes those type of decisions. And he's
(31:04):
got actually down field of ball placement, which I love
seeing from a quarterback. I'm not talking about the completion percentage,
but I'm talking about the ball placement, putting the ball
right where it needs to be, you know, for receivers
to take advantage of that yards after to catch. And
you know, he just has everything. I mean the way
the way he sits in the pocket and uses his
eyes to look off defenders and safeties and stuff. Is
(31:27):
is really a quarterback that's beyond his years. So I
think he makes a real nice transition and takes over
for a team. And then to your point, the other guy,
Bryce Young, different type of guy, playmaker looks like Fudini
back there in the pocket. Reminds me kind of like
a like a Fran Tarkington almost. He's just, you know,
a guy that just has this ability to create and
extend plays on his feet, and you know, sitting back there.
(31:50):
For I don't care who it is, Sauce Garter or
whoever it is covering you know, one Mississippi, two, Mississippi, three,
Mississippi for me, I mean, that's a long time as
he's running around back there and Andy and the thing
that makes them tough on coverages is he's so down
feel minded. Yeah he can run, but he's not looking
to do that. He's a quarterback first, a runner second,
and he's got good down feel ball placement again just
(32:12):
like Stroud, and he can feel the rush and he's
somebody that you know, just I think he's got some
of the best potential guys that I've seen in forty
years to be able to come into a struggling franchise
and maybe where there's some deficiencies on the offensive line,
he kind of covers up with that, with that that
amazing ability has to run around and uh, you know,
it's it's I just had the opportunity to interview um
(32:35):
uh De marv an Over show on the Linebacker from Texas,
and I asked him point blank, what's it like plankings
brss Young And he said, listen, it's it's you understand
when you play him why he won the highest the
guy that Oh yeah, that's great stuff. Dan. Youll excellent breakdowns. Man.
We appreciate for sure. Yeah, you know, you're very welcome.
(32:58):
Thank you for having me on the show. It's always
it's always great for Anon and talking about the NFL
and college prospects for sure. All right, remember great week
gets you on in the future. Yeah, have a good weekend.
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I felt like that was my player today, Tiger with
the bogies. Thanks Rob G. I'm just saying you are
down on Tiger. I'm just saying I'm not down on Tiger.
I'm just saying that's all all right? Well are you
down on Russell Westbrook? I can't believe we can't find
a home Miami, Washington, Chicago, the Clippers. I gotta be honest,
(34:29):
I don't think I think the Clippers the only one
that makes sense. Washington, been there, done that. Okay, he'll
get you to the ninth seed, the eight seed, and
you go out in the first round. And the Clippers
are talking about bringing back Chris. Have you heard this,
Pat Bev? Well, think about it. They got rid of
their two point guards, Reggie Jackson and John wall I
(34:53):
know all they have his bones Highland right now, so
they're gonna have to go out and get a point.
Why did they get rid of I'm still confused. I
I think that they clearly ready to move on and
upgrade in their minds at least, But but don't you
have to have somebody in mind, just saying, yeah, I
don't know, but I think that if it's not Westbrook,
(35:16):
then I mean not that he's gonna be you know,
you're a great point guard for you, But that's probably
why they're looking at Beverly. So I think they're trying
to figure out who's gonna be a good fit. And
I look, Westbrook, we know about all his wards, but
I think that they played at five out basketball a
little bit with the Clippers, he and Paul George rob
(35:38):
Paul George had his best season with Westbrook twenty eight
points a game, eight rebounds a game, both of those
are career highs, shot it well from three, and stayed there,
like wanted to stay and play with Russ. He ended
up leaving, of course, to play with Kawhi, but neither
Kawai or Paul George's ball dominant. I'm not saying I'm
not sure Westbrook's your guy for thirty five minutes a night.
(36:01):
I'm just saying I think he would fit in there
better than he fit with the Lakers. And look, you're
gonna pay him so little money on the buyout. You know,
after the buyout, he's only getting like a million dollars
doesn't work out. And I mean like, as soon as
you see it not working out, if indeed that that's
(36:21):
what happens, you can just get rid of him. But
I think it's worth giving it a try. Yeah, I'm
with you. I don't see no harm, no file, twenty
games left. See how plays out, Chris doesn't cost you anything.
If it doesn't. He goes his way, you go your way,
and that's the end of it. I'm with you. I
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think that with his attitude and I mean this is
in a good way, like his hunger, his toughness, his energy,
him Kauhi and Paul George. I mean that's a that's
a tough team, you know, just they gonna come at you.
And I think that'd be interesting. Miami. Rob G likes
(37:03):
him in Miami. It's okay. I mean to me, he's
not getting them over the top. I don't know that
he gets the Clippers over the top either, But I
just I don't know that I love that fit in Miami. Um,
like I said, the Wizards, I talked about them, and uh, Chicago.
Why I don't think he fits with Zach Levine. I
don't fit think he fits with Demarda. Rosen I mean,
(37:25):
even if he does fit you what you at eighth ninety,
you're gonna bring him in possibly ruffle, ruffle the feathers
of your other stars for to get bounced in the
first round. Like, I don't get why they're even thinking
about it. So yeah, it should be a no brainer,
to be honest, But you never know, and especially because
(37:47):
the Clippers need need a guard, right they need Yeah,
they need a guard. They've got Terrence Man handling the
point guard at times, and um, that's not his game.
So we'll see. I think that's where he ends up.
But Rob, if he could be out of the late
league too, No, that's real, That's that's real. Yea, So
(38:11):
we'll see. But Rob, have a great weekend to enjoy yourself.
I'll do the same, and uh, we'll catch up on Monday.
We'll rock your I believe. So okay, is that a holiday.
It's a holiday. Monday's prosy could be here all right,
I'll be here too. We out
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But first we're gonna stick with the NBA as they
enter their All Star weekend and Rob Today is Michael
Jordan's sixtieth birthday, and everyone knows that you and I
think he's the goat. So I think we can make
(01:30):
our quick cases. We don't have to go through everything
because people have heard us talk about it before. But
I want to throw it out maybe an extended cause period.
And I've said this robe for a long time, and
we'll see if it becomes the case. But a lot
of older players, older like before Jordan, they don't necessarily
(01:53):
call him to go Guys of his generation, guys after
him seem all unanimously view him as a goat, but
the guys before him don't. And or he's certainly not
definitively you know, a lot of them, Rob will just
kind of say, oh, there is none, and you know
they are all these great players and blah blah blah.
(02:16):
But I've thought for a while, Rob that when the millennials,
when the millennials are controlling the narrative, when they're the
ones doing shows like you and I have and they're
the predominant voice on television, on radio, on podcast, that's
when Lebrin may become viewed as the goat at least
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because they'll be dominating the narrative, and they'll push that,
just like our generation has said it's Jordan, even though
their generation before it may not necessarily think that. I
don't know if that will be the case. I think
the Last Dance, and you and I've talked about it,
that really put a dent in Lebrin's case, even with millennials.
We saw that with the polling after that. But I
(03:05):
think Lebron got a little surge by becoming the all
time leading scorer. Um obviously it was the time you
couldn't tell it the Super Bowl though, Yeah, yeah, that's
that's that's fine. I mean, but I think that, you know,
he's never gonna be as popular as Michael Jordan. Uh,
he's certainly more polarizing. But I do think that put
(03:28):
you know, his historical achievements and his longevity out on
front streets. So I don't know. I mean, maybe it'll
you know, maybe that won't be That's why I want
to hear from the callers. I'll say this, this is
the one thing I do not agree with you. And
I understand what you're saying about who will be controlling
the narrative. But the problem I have with that as
(03:49):
if he plays four years, four more years and plays
twenty three or twenty four years, and that's four championships.
That's a hard case to make. I agree. I just
think that before you, Yeah, I really do, Chris, Like
you gotta sit there and then try to convince somebody
they played twenty four years and won four championships and
(04:09):
Steph Curry played during the same year and has more,
could have more? Do you know what I'm saying, Like, like,
that's a hard case to make. Even if you're win
that narrative, but I am what you're saying, it will
be different people talking. But that's what hurts Lebron. I
really do the longer he plays. Actually, well, that's a
(04:31):
good point. And Rob, Michael Jordan won a championship. He
won six and fifteen years. He won a championship two
out of every three years. Think about that, so every
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He won a championship every two
and a half, right, right, so every three seasons he
was raising up the Larry O'Brien Trophy, you know what
(04:52):
I mean. He did it sixth straight essentially, but still
and Rob, let's keep it real. Two of those seasons.
I mean, if people want to get technical. We Lebron
was hurt some of the years in La Okay. But
I would say two of two of Jordan's seasons. Rob
the second year he came back with like eighteen games
left or seventeen left the season. I'm dead serious, you can't.
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And then he came back from baseball, right and played
like eighteen games and they got me seasons. Those are
two seats. So he had eleven seasons with the Bulls,
like eleven full seasons with the Bulls and won six.
That's almost that's more than half more than half that
that's And and like you said, Lebron is four in
(05:42):
nineteen years at this point. And if he's winning, if
they don't win it this year, he's winning it one
out every five years. Jordan won twice as many, you know,
according to the math. You know what I'm saying in
terms of per year, right, He's winning them every two
and a half years. Lebron's in him every five years
if he doesn't win it this year, and it could
(06:03):
get worse, Rob, like you said it twenty three, twenty
four years. So I'm with you, um, and I just
think and we'll make our quick cases. And Rob just
made a good one, and then we want to hear
from you. Guys. Look, if you think it's Jordan, fine,
you can call in, but we really want to hear
with the guy. We want to hear. You make a
case for Lebron, we don't want to hear or whoever
(06:25):
we don't want to hear. We're telling you, Jordan, we
want to hear from you guys that think it is
Lebron or somebody else. And let's let's give them some time. Chris,
we can and give you time, but no Jordan calls.
We already know we don't need to hear the same
argument Chris and I have put up for him. So
it's really the other people that's what we want to hear.
(06:46):
We want to hear from you, guys. I'll say this, Rob,
and this has been one of my my arguments. Lebron
as great as he's been in both you and I
and this is like, like we said, people got to mature.
Just because we think Lebron is not the goal doesn't
mean he's doesn't mean we don't like him, doesn't mean
we're haters, doesn't mean we don't think he played. I've
(07:08):
had a good relationship with Lebron. I've written tons of
stories about him, you know, and and and you know
had one on ones with him and all that, um.
But I'm just objectively looking at it. Rob. He did
not dominate the NBA, not close to the way Jordan did.
He just didn't. I mean individually, Jordan led the league
(07:31):
in thirteen times in the category rob ten times, in
scoring three times and steals. Lebron's led in two categories twice,
like once in scoring and once in assists. We talked
about the winning Remember when Lebron had the great run
in the East and he got to the finals eight
straight years. He locked it eat the East down, the
(07:52):
East belonged to him. Problem is Michael Jordan did that
with the whole league, right like it wasn't just the East.
And and if you want and if you want to
go take a look and you can say whatever whatever reason, say, well, Michael,
the league expansion, they had all these weak teams, there
were no good teams. Asked the ten Hall of Famers
Chris that Michael Jordan prevented from winning a championship. Forget
(08:16):
about those other bad teams. So that you want to
bring up or expansion teams asked Patrick Ewing and Reggie
Miller and all those guys, and Calm Lauren and John Stock.
Charles asked them. Yep, And it might have been a
la Juan and Drexler had he hadn't been tired, and
he dominated the best era of big men we've ever seen. Rob,
(08:40):
And that didn't happen. They owned the league, They owned
the league, and he came in and took it away
from him, and um, yeah, it's and I say this quickly,
and they will open it up for the callers. Uh,
because a lot of people are big into saying now
(09:02):
that Jordan dominated a water down league that the players
are better today. I'll give you that the players are
more athletic today. I'll give you that they can dribble better,
you know, by like most positions, can handle the ball better.
But a lot of that is because they let you carry.
I mean, they really let you carry, you know, I
was Rob. My mom is seventy eight years old and
(09:24):
she's watching them, and we watched the game and she
can't stop talking about look at how they carrying the ball.
Eight year old lady with the men, And she's right.
And so that enables you to handle the ball a
lot better. Rob, they could hand check. They could hand check,
So eat all this shaking bake you're doing and creating
(09:46):
space that wouldn't be happening if you could hand check.
Used to be able to put a hand like this,
Chris on your back. And then they changed it to
the ben elbow. YEA, so you know there, I don't.
I think the team's inn were just as good. They
played better team basketball. Guys are more athletic, they shoot better,
they handle better, but they played team basketball better back then.
(10:10):
And Rob, you noticed there were some athletes back then too.
Don't act like dudes couldn't jump. Dudes weren't quick, dudes
weren't strong. There were athletes then two who were tremendous
and they knew how to play as a team better
than the guys today. Five man basketball. All right, we're
throwing it out to you, Lebron fans, Kareem fans, whoever else,
(10:32):
Bill Russell, you, whoever you think is the goat. We
want to hear your argument. We're gonna give you time
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Michael Jordan is not the goat and who is better?
You're turned away in eight seven, seven ninety nine on
Fox's Chris A. Robb The Ey Couple. All right, Chris,
let's kick it off with Kyle in California. You're on
They Couple of Fox Sportsuded. What of Kyle Hey, Rob Chris,
(12:00):
longtime listener, first time caller, Thank you, brother, Hey, thank you,
thank for your support. Kyle. We appreciate you. All right.
So my thoughts on this is, uh, you know, I
really despise Lebron James, I really do, but I have
to acknowledge that he's probably the greatest of all time
because he's the most complete player of all time in
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terms of defense, being able to you know, get assists,
rack up points, and if it comes down to the
end of the game, I want MJ taking the shot,
but I have to respect Lebron's body of work. And
so that's kind of the the argument I would make
for him. All Right, you say you don't want you
want MJ at the end of the game to take
(12:43):
that final shot. Thanks Kyle. Jordan was a better defender, yes, Chris,
Defensive Player of the Year nine time All Defensive Team
Lebron sixth time. I mean, best player in the league,
arguably on both sides of the floor, at least that
one year he was definitely at MVPN DP. Why lou
in Salem, Oregon You're in the odd couple of Fox
(13:06):
Sports Radio instead of Salem Massachusetts. What's up, lou Hey, guys.
So you know, I'm too young to have seen Bill
Russell play, but you look at his body of work
and highlights and in the in the record books, and
I just don't think that there's anybody else. He played
against Will Chamberlain and won what eight out of nine
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championships or nine out of ten championships. He was a
complete player on defense and offense except for three point
in shot that the didn't exist. Then the question is,
you know, would he how would you do? Now? I
think he'd dominate now for anybody of his He had
a brain. He was smart, and he was athletic, and
he was gifted, and he was an all around player.
(13:47):
I don't think anybody can come close to Will Chamberlain,
not even Jordan, Not even Jordan's all right, Bill Happy,
eleven eleven rays in thirteen years, Rob, It's unbelievable. Um. However,
here's my argument against Russell versus Jordan. Bill certainly dominated winning,
but he didn't dominate individually as much as what do
(14:08):
you average? Fourteen points fifteen points a game for his
career rout on that's not that's not all time great.
And the other thing with the championships, Chris, I'm not
knocking them. They wanted, but there were eight or ten
teams in the NBA and there was no free agency.
So Chris, if you had a stacked team, go back
in the fifties. The Yankees won all the World Series,
(14:30):
the Celtics won all the championships, the Montreal Canadians won
all the Stanley Cups, and the Packers won all. Chris,
during that year, you couldn't move that great team. That's
why that's why the trophy named after Lombardi because of
the Packers. I'm telling you, that was the era that
that happened. All right, absolutely, Chris in Florida. You're in
(14:51):
the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What up, Chris,
How are you guys doing? Thank you? We're doing great,
Thanks Chris. All right, So my argument, I'm born raised
in Cleveland, so I'm big Lebron fan. I think Lebron
is better. I think the first thing you have to
say is how you would define who's the greatest of
all time, order the characteristics and then get those out
(15:12):
of the way. I think the reason why Lebrons is
better it's just as you guys mentioned before, he dominated
the East, and he dominated so well. And just look
at the teams that he took to the finals all
those years, like he had Mo Williams and Delante West
some of those times. And I mean against the greatest
shooter ever, against Steph Curry. He took up against his
(15:34):
entire bench because Kyrie and Kevin Love couldn't play. And
he did that his first year back in Cleveland. And
to argue against Jordan, you guys were looking at the
eleven seasons with the Bulls, which I'm completely impressive that
I won six out of eleven. That's incredible. But I
think it's not very fair that you're looking at just
the seasons he was with the Bulls and not all
(15:54):
the time that he played in the NBA. Well, we said, look,
six out of fifteen, that's still won every two and
a half years a championship. Yeah, I'll give you. I
do agree. I think Lebron because he, you know, ball dominant,
but was so great and could control the tempo. I
think there's no other player that could just do more
(16:16):
with less. Now, he never was able to get like
a mediocre cast to a championship, but he could get
him deep in the playoffs, have him win sixty some
of my games. He I give him that, I you know,
but you gotta give him get him over the top
at some point. And when he had the great teams,
(16:37):
he didn't win it all the time. You know, Miami
two or four, Rob we talked about that was the
one that he could have separated Chris because so few
teams have won three in a row. Right, Jordan did
it twice and then did it twice Shack and Kobe.
That's it. Lebron had that chance, and they they wind
up that the great team in Miami won two out
(16:59):
of four, loose into a bad Dallas team that shouldn't
have beat them, and that was Lebron and Lebron and
he would admit that he's the guy that wasn't himself. Right,
Let's go to gym and California. You're on the odd
couple of Fox Sports Radio. So yeah, I think that
anybody to argue Lebron zascinon because he hasn't dominated his era.
(17:20):
Kobe Brant absolutely dominated his era the nineties. The nineties
was Jordan's, but the early two thousands was Kobe's. Nobody
in the NBA wanted to face Kobe Bryant, and he dominated.
So you got Kobe as a goal. Kobe is a goal.
Even though we don't have the hardware that Jordan has.
He didn't win the six championships. But if Kobe Bryant
(17:43):
played in any era, in any time, he can he
can beat you so many different ways. Well, I think
all of these guys would be great in any era.
I mean, Lebron's, Jordan, all of them. But here's here's
the problem with the Kobe argument. Robb And I know
you know this already. Know I'm with you already without
you saying that first three championships he was the second
(18:05):
best player on the team. And that doesn't mean he
was a bomb or play he sho was the most
dominating player in the NBA. Chris, he was right. There's
no no doubt about you. And if you go back
and say he wasn't your lying right and then Kobe,
you know he looked. Kobe's great, but he wasn't the
most efficient shooter, never shot better than forty six percent
(18:29):
from the floor. Rob They used to say Dominique Wilkins
was a gunner in the eighties when he shot like
forty eight percent, forty seven percent, and Kobe never even
hit those numbers with shock drawing double and triple teams.
No doubt that would be my argument against Kobe. We
got a couple more, David in Nashville. You're on the
odd couple of Fox Sports traded. What up, David, Hey,
(18:51):
thank you a long time, first time, Yes, thank you. Listen.
Did Michael Joe never score one hundred points in the
single game? No, he didn't. He didn't need Wilton Norman
Chamberlain did. Did Michael Jordan every ground fifty five rebounds
in the single game? He didn't come close, but Wilt
(19:12):
Chamberlain did. Why did Michael Lord never leave the league
in the fifth but Will Chamberlain did. Wilton Norman Chamberlain
is the single most dominant force to ever play basketball.
It's not even close. And I know the argument. Bill
Russell won eleven nine eleven championships, Russell, Chamberlain won two.
(19:34):
But Russell had like six other All Stars on his team,
and Chamberlain would have won more if he had coaches
that would put him on the floor. In the last
two minutes, Wilton simply stated, the most dominant force in
the history of basketball. I love you guys, thank you,
And then that's I liked that call. That's an impassioned call.
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And he made a good argument. Rob, He made a
good argument. But Rob played three seasons with Elgin, Baylor
and Jerry West and they didn't win it. He ended
up winning it when when Elgin retired and Gail Goodridge
came in, and that year he averaged fourteen points a game.
So Will, like Russell, dominated in terms of winning, but
(20:20):
not necessarily individually in terms of stats. Will dominated individually
in terms of stats but not winning. He got two rings,
and he had some good teams. I get it that
Russell had a stack team, but let's face it, a
lot of those dudes ribs are Hall of famers because Russell,
they won so much, you know, but they got in
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one thing. I know, we're up against it. You cannot
say that Will Chamberlain didn't win and used that against
him when five minutes ago you said the only reason
Bill Russell won because he had all the best players.
So it can't be both. I didn't say that. You
got there seemed to be because the reason why Bill
Russell gets knocked it's because he had all the good players. No,
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but but back then, And my only point is that
it was just that once you had a good team, Chris,
it didn't break up over free agency, That's what I'm saying.
But couldn't do that. You'll argue that free agency is
why the NBA was watered down in the nineties, as
Larry Bird ump. No. But the problem is that the
show is look at those ten Hall of Famers that
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didn't get in. They went to the finals, they didn't win.
And my biggest issue with Russell rob is fifteen points
on forty four percent shooting. But I mean, as a
guy that's one of the biggest players in the league
at that point, he was most of the shots. Yeah
it was six to nine at least, and he was
shooting most of his shots around the rim, and you
(21:48):
only shot forty four percent. I'm just saying, like, you know,
that's my main thing. But uh, he was a winner,
and I think he's the greatest winner in American sports.
His even better than Tom Brady in that regard. So
I give him that. And he is an all time
great and he beat Will, no doubt, he owned Will
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when it counted as far as winning. All Right, that
was fun. Glad you guys weighed in and we're glad
you brought your arguments. It is the eye couple, Christ
and Rob. We got Daniel Kelly, former NFL scout for
the New York Jets, coming up. Fox Sports Radio has
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(22:31):
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We welcome in a former NFL scout for the New
York Jets. Has been on the show before and brought it,
so we've had to bring him back. Daniel Kelly. Dan,
you're welcome to the show. Hey, thank you guys. How
are you doing tonight? We're great, man, and it's a
(22:51):
great time to talk to a former Jet scout. So
let's get right to it. Which quarterback should they be
looking at or coveting the most? There's talk of Lamar,
there's talk of Aaron Rodgers, there's talk of Derek Carr.
Which one should they be going after the hardest? Well,
there's a lot of choices that choose from. And I
(23:11):
think the very first thing which I've written for si
Jets they have to look at is getting themselves an
offensive line. You know that that's the That's the first
thing in order. But outside of that, I really like
Taylor Heineke is a name that hasn't been mentioned yet
from Washington for the Jets. I think he would be
a good fit. He's a guy that has some mobility,
(23:33):
He's tough as nails and would help to cover up something.
I mean, he's a nice little stop is my is
my headphones that plugged in? I mean, really, no, I'd
rather have a Heineken Thane and had a few too
(23:54):
many Heineken. I mean, with respect that, well, that's the
guy I think is most realistic. I just don't see
a guy like a Derek Carr or a Jimmy Garoppolo
or any of the rest of these guys are a
Lamar Jackson. I mean, the offensive line with the New
York Jets is in the shambles right now. Guys. I
(24:14):
mean I look at them. I studied them. They got
seven offensive lineman currently under contract, really nothing viable at
the offensive tackle position. They're hoping Bekai Beckton can come
back after a couple of years on the shelf, struggling
with the weight issues and injury issues. Max Mitchell was
out with the blood clot issue you know there, you
(24:34):
know they have issues, you know, but govern's probably leaving
the center Linke and Thomlinson the guard with a huge disappointment.
And then of course Baron Tucker the right guard is
coming back off an injury, and they really don't have
any depth. And they're really three million dollars over the
cap at this point. And I know you can clear
cap space and all the good stuff, but I just
don't see how they're going to feel that in offensive
(24:57):
line that's going to be attractive enough for some of
this this this top talent a quarterback. I mean, because
if it was I would say, sure, go get Lamar.
I've I've written articles about go get a Jimmy g
makes sense, Robert Salmo was on in San Francisco. But
that offensive line, I just don't see any of these guys,
like almost a forty year old Aaron Rodgers wanting to
stand behind that line. How about So what's going to
(25:18):
happen with Zach Wilson, Like what's to deal with him
and uh Mike White as we move forward? What are they?
What are their roles? One of those two got to
be gone? Or what's going to happen? Well, that's a
great question. I mean Zach Wilson, I mean he said
he's gonna make it pretty tough on whoever comes in there.
I don't know if that's gonna be a really good dynamic.
(25:39):
And of course, you know he's pretty pretty tied into
that situation with his uncle, with with the owner there,
with the Jets and everything with the Jet Blue Airlines
the official airlines in the New York Jets, So that's
gonna be a really interesting situation. I think Mike White
has been really underappreciated with the Jets. I wouldn't be
a bit surprised to see him finally leave. I do
think he's probably the best option. I just don't think
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they're sold on the way they treat them so far
them When you see I like, I like Derek carr
Um and I get a pipe dream. I'll give you
that if he becomes available, he's the first guy I'm
going after. Aaron. I just think with his age, does
he fit the time to timeline with Garrett Wilson and
Breece Hall and the young team And but Derek carr
(26:24):
has never had a defense inside the top twenty in
his career. He's had six head coaches, five offensive coordinators.
The Jets have a very good defense, They've got some weapons,
and he'd be much cheaper than Rogers and you don't
have to give up the draft picks. I look, Heiinik's
done a he's been great for what he is, But
(26:45):
why not? I like Derek Carr there? Um, you know what,
what do you think about him in New York with
the Jets? It's very possible. I mean, if they can
free up the cap space, it's a it's a very
possible you know, something that could happen for sure. Okay, yeah, no,
I'm Chris, I'm with you on that. Derek Carr. Uh
(27:06):
the Jets. Robert sala I thought, uh overreacted during the
season and they looked like they were going to make
the playoffs and then you know, they couldn't score again.
I mean it was embarrassing, to be honest, how bad
it was at the end. I can't remember the exact
numbers they had, like what was it like four touchdowns
in the last seven games or something like that. It
(27:27):
was really really bad. H how about where is he? Uh?
And and and if they don't capitalize or bounce back
from this season, will you start to look at him,
uh and and think maybe he's part of the problem. Yeah,
it's it's very distinctly possible. I mean, things just having
clicked for them the way they need to click. And
(27:50):
you know, I think there's a lot going on inside
the inside the building. Um, you know, it's something from
Joe Douglas on down. The way this team has been built.
I mean, it's really baffling to me even looking at
Joe Douglas because the offensive line is so important on
an NFL team, But he's only US four of his
draft fixed over the last three drafts to bring in lineman.
(28:10):
So you know, it's just kind of interesting. The whole
internal structure of that team is really an interesting dynamic
to study. No, you're right about their offensive line. I mean,
I give you that they gotta get that fixed. Unless
they're gonna go out and get Joe Burrow, then they
need to get an offensive line, no doubt about that.
Let me ask you about this. Let's go around the
(28:31):
league justin fields. Now. There's reports that they might move
on from him in draft the quarterback. Do you think
that would be wise? I mean, no matter how I mean,
are you that in love with Stroud or Bryce Young, Like,
do you think they should do that? Well, I am
and I really do like Stroud and Bryce Young, but
I just don't. I don't think they can move on
(28:53):
Justin Fields. I think he showed up, you know, took
a big step forward this last season. Justin Fields was
m QB one and twenty twenty one coming out of
the Ohio State, and I think they got something really
good going there with him. The way he's a dual
threat quarterback, He's very dynamic, He's a guy that you know,
I think they can build and put some pieces around,
and I think they really have something there in Chicago.
(29:15):
I think it would be a huge mistake by the
Bears to try to trade Fields and start all over
with the rookie, because you know, as we've seen over
the last few years that it's you know, when these
rookies come into the league, it's a tremendous transition, no
matter who it is, and you know, just to take
a step back or two like that, and you know,
it would just really be a huge mistake by Chicago.
(29:36):
I think I think Justin Fields is the guy there.
I always have. Look, I haven't delved into all the
tape or CJ. Stroud and Bryce Young. I like them both,
but I kind of like Stroud better. What do you
think about the comparing those two, Well, they're both very
interesting and different type of types of quarterbacks. I mean,
(29:58):
Stroud is somebody who's a you know, it's the first
time in forty years I've ever you know, we hear
this term generational talent throwing around. It's the first time
I've ever used the term on CJ. Strout just absolutely.
I really like what I see out of him. I've
compared him to a Warren Moon. He's a guy that
I feel is in my affection and nickname for him
(30:21):
is a human jugs machine. You know that machine that
spits out in foot that practice. This guy. This guy
has just a tremendous a calm but a very urgent
tempo to him, which I think is important from the
quarterback position. He's a guy that navigates in the pocket
like a ten year of bet and the things I
like about him why I think he's gonna be a
very easy and smooth transition to the NFL level is
(30:44):
because he's able to process information so quickly, both pre
and post snap. He reads things very quickly. He also
makes quick decisions with the football. Of course, that's the
league that everybody sees in all these days, you know
where quarterbacks are making that making the throw ideally in
the average a two point five seconds, some a little
bit quicker. Stroud makes those type of decisions. And he's
(31:04):
got actually down field of ball placement, which I love
seeing from a quarterback. I'm not talking about the completion percentage,
but I'm talking about the ball placement, putting the ball
right where it needs to be, you know, for receivers
to take advantage of that yards after to catch. And
you know, he just has everything. I mean the way
the way he sits in the pocket and uses his
eyes to look off defenders and safeties and stuff. Is
(31:27):
is really a quarterback that's beyond his years. So I
think he makes a real nice transition and takes over
for a team. And then to your point, the other guy,
Bryce Young, different type of guy, playmaker looks like Fudini
back there in the pocket. Reminds me kind of like
a like a Fran Tarkington almost. He's just, you know,
a guy that just has this ability to create and
extend plays on his feet, and you know, sitting back there.
(31:50):
For I don't care who it is, Sauce Garter or
whoever it is covering you know, one Mississippi, two, Mississippi, three,
Mississippi for me, I mean, that's a long time as
he's running around back there and Andy and the thing
that makes them tough on coverages is he's so down
feel minded. Yeah he can run, but he's not looking
to do that. He's a quarterback first, a runner second,
and he's got good down feel ball placement again just
(32:12):
like Stroud, and he can feel the rush and he's
somebody that you know, just I think he's got some
of the best potential guys that I've seen in forty
years to be able to come into a struggling franchise
and maybe where there's some deficiencies on the offensive line,
he kind of covers up with that, with that that
amazing ability has to run around and uh, you know,
it's it's I just had the opportunity to interview um
(32:35):
uh De marv an Over show on the Linebacker from Texas,
and I asked him point blank, what's it like plankings
brss Young And he said, listen, it's it's you understand
when you play him why he won the highest the
guy that Oh yeah, that's great stuff. Dan. Youll excellent breakdowns. Man.
We appreciate for sure. Yeah, you know, you're very welcome.
(32:58):
Thank you for having me on the show. It's always
it's always great for Anon and talking about the NFL
and college prospects for sure. All right, remember great week
gets you on in the future. Yeah, have a good weekend.
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I felt like that was my player today, Tiger with
the bogies. Thanks Rob G. I'm just saying you are
down on Tiger. I'm just saying I'm not down on Tiger.
I'm just saying that's all all right? Well are you
down on Russell Westbrook? I can't believe we can't find
a home Miami, Washington, Chicago, the Clippers. I gotta be honest,
(34:29):
I don't think I think the Clippers the only one
that makes sense. Washington, been there, done that. Okay, he'll
get you to the ninth seed, the eight seed, and
you go out in the first round. And the Clippers
are talking about bringing back Chris. Have you heard this,
Pat Bev? Well, think about it. They got rid of
their two point guards, Reggie Jackson and John wall I
(34:53):
know all they have his bones Highland right now, so
they're gonna have to go out and get a point.
Why did they get rid of I'm still confused. I
I think that they clearly ready to move on and
upgrade in their minds at least, But but don't you
have to have somebody in mind, just saying, yeah, I
don't know, but I think that if it's not Westbrook,
(35:16):
then I mean not that he's gonna be you know,
you're a great point guard for you, But that's probably
why they're looking at Beverly. So I think they're trying
to figure out who's gonna be a good fit. And
I look, Westbrook, we know about all his wards, but
I think that they played at five out basketball a
little bit with the Clippers, he and Paul George rob
(35:38):
Paul George had his best season with Westbrook twenty eight
points a game, eight rebounds a game, both of those
are career highs, shot it well from three, and stayed there,
like wanted to stay and play with Russ. He ended
up leaving, of course, to play with Kawhi, but neither
Kawai or Paul George's ball dominant. I'm not saying I'm
not sure Westbrook's your guy for thirty five minutes a night.
(36:01):
I'm just saying I think he would fit in there
better than he fit with the Lakers. And look, you're
gonna pay him so little money on the buyout. You know,
after the buyout, he's only getting like a million dollars
doesn't work out. And I mean like, as soon as
you see it not working out, if indeed that that's
(36:21):
what happens, you can just get rid of him. But
I think it's worth giving it a try. Yeah, I'm
with you. I don't see no harm, no file, twenty
games left. See how plays out, Chris doesn't cost you anything.
If it doesn't. He goes his way, you go your way,
and that's the end of it. I'm with you. I
(36:41):
think that with his attitude and I mean this is
in a good way, like his hunger, his toughness, his energy,
him Kauhi and Paul George. I mean that's a that's
a tough team, you know, just they gonna come at you.
And I think that'd be interesting. Miami. Rob G likes
(37:03):
him in Miami. It's okay. I mean to me, he's
not getting them over the top. I don't know that
he gets the Clippers over the top either, But I
just I don't know that I love that fit in Miami. Um,
like I said, the Wizards, I talked about them, and uh, Chicago.
Why I don't think he fits with Zach Levine. I
don't fit think he fits with Demarda. Rosen I mean,
(37:25):
even if he does fit you what you at eighth ninety,
you're gonna bring him in possibly ruffle, ruffle the feathers
of your other stars for to get bounced in the
first round. Like, I don't get why they're even thinking
about it. So yeah, it should be a no brainer,
to be honest, But you never know, and especially because
(37:47):
the Clippers need need a guard, right they need Yeah,
they need a guard. They've got Terrence Man handling the
point guard at times, and um, that's not his game.
So we'll see. I think that's where he ends up.
But Rob, if he could be out of the late
league too, No, that's real, That's that's real. Yea, So
(38:11):
we'll see. But Rob, have a great weekend to enjoy yourself.
I'll do the same, and uh, we'll catch up on Monday.
We'll rock your I believe. So okay, is that a holiday.
It's a holiday. Monday's prosy could be here all right,
I'll be here too. We out
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