April 14, 2023 • 38 mins
Chris and Rob discuss the rise of the Jordan Brand Empire and whether it still would have existed if Michael Jordan signed with any other shoe company than Nike, and explain why this could be a Summer of Change for both the Miami Heat and Chicago Bulls. Plus, legendary sports marketing executive Sonny Vaccaro swings by to discuss how closely the movie ‘AIR’ resembles what actually happened during Nike’s recruitment of Jordan, why MJ ultimately chose Nike over Adidas and Converse, the rumor that he tried to get Magic Johnson to Nike and much more!
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(01:00):
inspiration for the movie air about how Nike got Michael
Air Jordan to be one of their clients or one
of their endorsers.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
And Rob, I saw it. I told you it was
a good movie.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You should definitely go check it out, especially with you
being into Jordan's the way you are. But I just
think for me, I mean, I'm into Jordan's too, but
just it was a good movie.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Number One. My wife liked it.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
She's not into the sneakers, and I being into the
sneakers and just seeing what they've.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Begun behind the scene story, there's no way they could
have ever imagined that being what it's been. I don't
care what anybody says, like, you know, the greatest plans,
like people talk about Chris even to say the success
of McDonald's, right, oh, it's a great idea.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Whatever that it was.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
It was a suburban Chicago hamburger place owned by the
McDonald's brothers that they didn't make up some name Chris
that was gonna be a there's nothing to it. It
was a hamburger place owned by the McDonald's brothers, and
somebody bought it and decided to make it a franchise
and it turned into that. But I think the same thing.
(02:12):
Let's make a signature sneaker after Michael Jordan and uh,
righty was the hottest player in sports at the time.
I get all that, and then boom because those sneakers.
I tried them, Chris the first time around, right, I
didn't like them, the one like the look. They weren't comfortable.
The ones.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I didn't have them when they first came out. They
weren't comfortable. But I wore a lot of Nikes. I played,
you know, college and well at that time. I was
in high school when he first got in the league,
and I played in Nikes and they were fine.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I was, they were comfortable mine. I don't know what
they are Jeordan, I like him now.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I mean the ones I have, the Travis Scott ones,
Chris low tops.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I love those. No, they're very rock.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
That's interesting because obviously Adidas and Converts were.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Going after him, and they.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Weren't gonna give him. They weren't giving anybody their own
signature shoe like Magic Bird and Doctor j R. Wore Converse,
but they basically wore the same kind, the same ones, right,
they just it wasn't their uniforms.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
What do you think, Like obviously.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Jordan, him being as great as he was, had nothing
to do with the shoes he wore. But I do
think that the shoes becoming so iconic.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I do think that has enhanced his legacy.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Now, so let me ask you if he had gone
with say Adidas, and just wore the Adidas like everybody else,
and you know it didn't have this iconic sneaker.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Do you think his legacy would be any different?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Obviously he still would have been as great as a
basket ball player, but the sneakers are way beyond basketball.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
No, I agree, I think it. I think it transcends
because now people didn't even watch him play value those sneakers.
And you know Jordan's there were other great players who
put their names on sneakers. They weren't good Chris, they
weren't Patrick Ewan's at all affordable sneakers terrible, terrible, like he.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Wore had his own.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Well, he didn't have a signature of these. We had
some Adidas, but you know what I mean, yeah, yeah,
you ain't. He had sneakers. Shack had some sneakers. You
could buy a Target or something. You remember that Shack had.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Tonics right there.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
If Grant Hill had Fela had a Feel Deal and Stackhouse, yeah,
I mean they have Center even ivers and had the rebox.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And and and they and and they didn't do anything.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
None of them have come close to not even even
Lebron James as popular as he is, Okay, and I
know he's uh, he can rub some people the wrong way,
but he's still whildy popular and thought okay even then,
and even his sneaker Chris just.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
It never caught on. I'm not saying as terrible. I
had a pair, a couple pair tried.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I've had several.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Player and I've tried them, but they just they still
have not caught on like that. I mean, nothing has
nothing has Rob try.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
You know, they wish they could get another one. Chris.
I don't know. I don't know if it's obviously.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I think a big part of it is his game
was so and I actually think this, look, I think
he's the goat. You think he's the goat. I think
he's the goat based on his merits of just what
he did. But I do also think Rob part of it,
part of the appeal of Jordans to people is also
(05:51):
just that his game was so beautiful. I mean, and
his game was so much more graceful than Lebron's this
and I think that might be a part of it too.
I was talking to my wife about this and I said,
Jordan was kind of like a Michael Jackson, Like a
(06:14):
lot of people could do the same moves as Michael Jackson.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
No, I got it, but.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
They not gonna look at it like they look better
when Jack Michael Jackson did them. And that's Jordan, right.
He just the way he moved was very graceful. I
think it was the most graceful that we've seen in
the league. And I think that's part of the appeal
to him too.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah, there was a lot of stuff going on at
that point, but he was so different. And I Chris,
you know, and I've told you a million times. I mean,
I was covering the NBA during that I was in Richfield, Ohio.
I saw the shot over Craig Elow. I was there
at court side. And I was there at Chicago. I
(06:54):
don't know if you remember this, when they were playing
Cleveland in that series game before that famous Game five
in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Chris, Yep, yep.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Michael Jordan have lost Game four in Chicago. I was
there for that. I was covering the series and Michael
Jordan missed a free throw late in that game which
allowed the Cavs to win that game.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
You know, nobody talks about that. I'm telling you, but
I remember. I still didn't say that. I still remember that.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I'm just saying, you know what I'm talking about, Like
he late in the game, he missed a big free
throw and that allowed the Cavaliers to win that game,
and then of course he wanted to You know, of
course it's secondary because he made the big shot to
win the series.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
So people don't remember that.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And I do say that is one of the like
Michael Jordan and all the athletes at that time. That's
what we mean, Rob when we say they weren't under
the scrutiny that today's players are. And I think Lebron
James is the most scrutinized athlete ever.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
In American history.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Because every single day you see it, Rob, every single day,
every possession he has is scrutinized and made bigger than
it it really even maybe it might just be a
regular season game on a Thursday night in Sacramento in
(08:32):
January that means nothing, and Lebron passed up a game
winning shot opportunity, or Lebron missed the game winner, potential
game winner, and it's the end of the world. The
next day, every show's talking about it. Every show's talking
about does he have the clutch?
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Game?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Oh, I saw he don't have the clutch, Rob.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I didn't even remember what you just said about Michael
Jordan air to mean, I don't think Jordan was better,
but that Jordan magic. All these guys benefitted from that
compared to today's era.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
And I often say that when people talked about Lebron.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Passing up the last shots, you know, and I don't
like he didn't always do that, but you know, to
pass the Craig to uh Kyle korv or whatever in
the finals. I'm like, hold, no, let's be fair. Michael
Jordan passed off at times. He passed off to Craig
Elo he I mean John Paxton, he passed off to
(09:38):
Steve Kirk in the finals.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
No less, I'm gonna tell you they made the shots.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I'm gonna tell you one thing that always in watching
the documentary Last Dance, yep, it does. It feels a
little different. And I'm not You're right, he didn't pass
to other people. But if you watch that video Chris
and that, and he tells Steve like it ain't like
I don't want the shot or I'm scared to take,
(10:04):
you know what I mean, Like he's.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Like, they gonna double me right, like and I would
go to you, right.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
But here's but I'm just saying like, I don't think
people feel like Mike was passing the Steve Kirk because
he don't want to take the shot. And I think
that they definitely don't feel that way, and I think
that's the that's the difference.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
But why do they feel that way about Lebron? We've
seen him take last second, I know.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
But but but I'm just saying that that's how what
fair or not?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
That's what people know right right with it.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That's yes, that's the perception. I don't agree with that,
but I mean, I don't feel.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
That way, but yes, that you don't want it of
many And that's my point.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
If Lebron, let's say, in this series with Memphis, if
they got a situation like that and Lebron on the
bench looks at Austin Reeves and says, look, they gonna
double me and be.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Ready, I'm ana pass it to you.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
If that came out and the same thing that happened
Reeves is the shot, there would be those in the
media among the basis that would say Lebron.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Didn't once see now that's different, you don't think so.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I just think I think because the problem is and
maybe this is the other part that Lebron is working
against Lebron. When Lebron is giving up the ball, those
guys haven't always made this shot like that, Len, No,
But I'm just saying, so when you lose or something happened,
you go, yeah, you gave up the ball of the
(11:30):
George Hill. You know, you gave up the ball to
uh Cal Korver with the lead and Draymond in front
of you and foul trouble. I'm just saying, because you
don't win those.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Games, right because right, because nobody killed Lebron after he
kicked the.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Distrut exactly, just exactly. That's and I hear what I'm
saying like that, right, but rob those.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
If we are smart, we are smart enough to know
that you can't really blame Lebron for that. If you
want to say he should have taken it's just I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I mean, you can't.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Jordan didn't make Steve Kurr make the shot. He didn't
make John Paxson hit the shot. It's Steve curR and
John Paxson. Are they better than you know, shrewder And
and uh Kyle Korver and Korver and curR are very
comparable type players, same with Paxton Paxon.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
So I hear you.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I mean, you're not saying anything that a lot of
people do feel that way. But I do think that
you you brought up a great example of, you know,
just the difference in perceptions.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Do you remember so, I guess your first pair of
Jordan's were the uh the the uh.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yeah, I'm trying to remember. I think I had a
and not.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I just know I tried him on, Chris. Oh you
didn't buy him? Yeah, they were uncomfortable. I tried him.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I did, and I they didn't feel Now you know what,
I think I did buy them, but I didn't keep
them because I had.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
A pair of ones.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I thought they were hard, remember the black and red
ones the like? Yeah, yeah, those were the original ones,
and I don't think I think I bought them but
didn't feel good about them, so I didn't wear them,
and then eventually got rid of them.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
And then it wasn't until later on when he went
after they got past those and they made the threes
and the fives and those and that's those are the
ones that took off starting.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, I thought the two's, which I really like. Now
I actually got a pair of and a couple pairs
of twos. When I first saw them, I thought they
were the ugly sneaker I'd ever seen. I was like,
what the heck is that they had the iguana skin.
They didn't have a logo like a Nike sign or
(13:50):
It's swoosh or anything.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
It was. I was just like, what in the world
is that?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
And you know, they grew on people and they they
I like him now.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I think they're among the hottest ones.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
All right.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Were just talking Michael Jordan and some Air George. We
didn't mean to, but we ended up going there. So
if you want to call up with some of your
memories about Air Jordan's sneakers or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
How many guys do you have, you know, are you
are you a sneaker head Jordan's and your collection?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You know, just talk Rob. I was in church Sunday
Easter Sunday, and the pastor it was about forty ish,
maybe a little older, and he had on Jordans I
don't know if he was wearing he was wearing some
fresh snigger.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
He admitted he said, look, I'm a sneaker head.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And he said when the Jordan Elevins came out.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
He went to ran to the store.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Those are the you know, the concords with the patent
leathern He ran to the store and.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Wanted to buy a pair.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
His first day. They out they had one pair left.
He wore size ten and a half. The only pair
left they had was a nine.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
And he bought him. He said, he bought him. That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
He warmed the school the next day just so everybody
would talk about how fly he was. And he got
the new Jordan's and his feet they were killing his feet.
He said he had to take him off between class,
between classes and put him back on.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
He said, he walked home in his socks.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Right, I believe a size and a half Chris size.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I don't even know how he got his foot in there.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
Rout.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I mean, my goodness. But all right, your turn to.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Weigh in about the Air Jordans sneakers, because we got
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Speaker 3 (17:09):
What's up?
Speaker 6 (17:10):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
What's up you guys?
Speaker 6 (17:11):
How you doing CB?
Speaker 9 (17:12):
What's up?
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Rock gun man?
Speaker 9 (17:15):
Man?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I love this topic.
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That's y'all on man, This topic is beautiful.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
I've been waiting for y'all this. Now, y'all got a
topic that's up my alley.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
How many pairs you got?
Speaker 10 (17:24):
I got about about twenty five?
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Wow?
Speaker 11 (17:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 10 (17:28):
My collection is a mixed though. I got like Kobe's,
I got Jordan's, and I got a whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Hey, but what's your favorite Georgie?
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
What's your ones?
Speaker 9 (17:37):
I like, I like, I like the elevens, and I
love the sevens eleven Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I'm
not but uh, let me ask you guys a question though.
Speaker 10 (17:48):
If you guys had to make a collab with Jordan's,
whether it be the Bussar Ones or the Parker threes
or any any any Jordan model.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
What would it be.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
You mean, oh, oh yeah, Well, my favorites are the
I would say the fours. I mean, I like, I
love the fours, the threes, the elevens the best.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
It's funny, and I would go with the fours. My
favorite pairs now are the ones low top, the Travis
Scott's ones.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Those are the ones.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Yes, those are Those are great walking around sneakers because
you're not playing ball in them, but they're you know
what I mean, right, they're they're sporty and whatnot. All right,
let's go to truck o'dn Real Quick in Boston. You're
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Speaker 3 (18:36):
There you go. What's up?
Speaker 11 (18:38):
Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. You guys are awesome.
Good show tonight.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 11 (18:44):
I'm still still waiting on you guys to get your
daytime show because, boy, I tell you, the knowledge that
you guys put out there is just too much.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Well just a matter of time. We need some people
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Speaker 11 (18:56):
I'm just saying, oh, you guys gotta remind k D
that the NBA, because your your show last night, that
the NBA would of the eighties would knock him all
over the place.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I mean, look, he showed he struggled against the physicality
of the Celtics last year and that was adhered to
what they did in the eighties and nineties or the nineties.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
That's right.
Speaker 11 (19:22):
And he makes the eighties Larry Bird look like Charles Barkley,
you know, in comparison, and Bird couldn't stand.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Up to that.
Speaker 11 (19:30):
You know, all the rigors, so KD wouldn't never prayer.
But anyway, Yeah, great show. I loved the question about
did the Air Jordan's make Jordan's mystique bigger? And I'd
say no, I'd say Michael Jordan made Air Jordan's bigger.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I agree with hest he did make the shoe.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
But if they had never made a signature shoe like
Adida say, it.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Would have been interesting. A good call down. We we
got Sonny Vacar around the corner.
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Speaker 1 (20:12):
Our next guest is a legend former sports marketing executive.
The inspiration for the movie Air which tells the story
of how Michael Jordan's signed with Nike as a rookie
or going into his rookie year.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
We welcome in the Great Sunny vacarl Sonny.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
How are you well, I'm good talking to Chris. You
and I have touch base a few times across two years. Yeah,
so I'm looking forward to this. Rob. I know we
probably touched base, but I'm ready to go. Looking forward
to it.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Awesome on a we got extra too many?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, unfortunately we got about ten minutes ten minutes to
cramp in there?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Did you act me?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
We could do a whole lifetime at tute.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Oh yeah, absolutely. The movie.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I went to see it last weekend with my wife.
I thought it was terrific. What was it like for
you to watch this movie and to be played by
Matt Damon. He's not as handsome as you, but they
got They did the best they could with Matt Damon.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
Well, let me say this, when we are all children
at one time, okay, we all looked at that movie
screen up there, and we pretended we are that person
up there where it was some girl we're telling in
love with because of the looks, where some guy was
a hunk of a guy, or he wanted the shooting contest,
whatever it was. We had images of the screen that
surpassed our lifetime. I mean we grew older. So watching
(21:37):
the movie once this done, I was reheard and all
this stuff. I sort of knew it was coming, but
until the day I saw it for the first time,
before it was screened, I lived in a fantasy world
because obviously the cast is one of the greatest casts
ever put together. It really is. Yeah, a nine you know, guys,
this only had nine or ten people in the whole movie.
(21:59):
I mean they can folder that I, you know, sixty minutes.
I think by speakers, by you know, intuitively saying things
that came to their mind when they were speaking. So, Chris,
I'm overwhelmed. And it'll It'll live in my mind forever,
and the value of a movie it does live forever, Chris,
And I'm very pleased with what it turned out to be.
(22:20):
The Messi's given was a little bit of Hollywood. It was.
It was a movie, not a documentary that I can say,
you're it was good faith and say it was very
very accurate as to what their presence was in this movie.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, because that was
gonna be my question. You know that Hollywood takes a
license to a lot of things, and they embellish it
to make it, you know, more dramatic and whatnot because
they just can't be mundane and you just give the facts,
as you said, not a documentary. So it wasn't that
wildly uh worked over to make it more dramatic than it.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Really was.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
A couple of scenes. I mean, just to go right
to a point here that a lot of the guys
asked me, is I love to speak, Chris, and I
rather I apologize to you what I've known a long time.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
But it's all good.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
It's all good, okay. But and I I love to
speak when a Pam and I walked away from the world,
and you know in two thousand and seven, is that
we're going to create, you know, to do the restaurant life,
fighting for the for the kids and all that. I'd
go to the university and I made these speakers every camp,
every did every All Star game. I always had to
speak for the kids. But I got to tell you,
(23:30):
you know, Matt Damon and the writer Alex Conblays, I
said some of the things they said there. But but
I just want to be honest to God here, guys,
I couldn't have done the State of the Union like
like Matt did for me at the end of that
movie right right, he made he made Sonny look good,
and I appreciate that. So that's what I'm saying that.
But the intent of all the things, and I don't
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know where well you got are going to take me
with this, but it was there and most of the
scenes they happened, maybe not the location they were presented
to do, but the characters were displayed and you know,
and put on the comfort by by saying meaningful things,
and you know, the Jordan's family. Obviously, my relationship with
(24:13):
the Jordan's family became much greater after the signing. And
I know I went through the Jefic James. I stayed
friends with Dolores and the rest of the family for
here until today. I mean, it was still friendly. Although
I don't got up the Nike cod anymore. So go
ahead and asking another question. That's what I just wanted
to say.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
That Sonny in the movie they said, and I remember
Jordan wearing converts at North Carolina and they said he
was huge Adidas guy. As soon as he was off
the court, he's putting on Adidas. What at the end
of the day, what was it that got him to Nike?
Was it just that you guys paid him more? Because
(24:50):
I don't and correct me if I'm wrong. When he
entered the league, he was rare regular Nikes at first, Right, Like,
when did the Jordan one? Was that midway through his
rookie year or his second year? When did that come out?
Speaker 6 (25:04):
It really was at the end of the second year.
The prototypes that Peter Moore put together were starting to
work on him.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
And then honestly, the second year is when we sold
one hundred and thirty. I mean, the first year went
off the wallnut. But the second year, when you were
able to put air Jordan in, there were just air
when you were able to put the brilliance of the kid. Remember,
so he missed fifty some games ki year, Yes, I
mean you know, so.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Second year I can give.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Sixty three after somebody, you know, out of Boston, I
think it might have been. Yeah, but Michael Michael was
sold because what we said when I said that first scene,
you know, Tony Ramos with him basically was given me.
You know I would give them the power to do that.
By Phil Knights The bottom line, no question by Rob
Strausser at the meeting, when I picked the kid as
(25:50):
a poach to the other guy who wanted to take
two or three people, so I went to one with
the inside connection. Just for your audience notes, you know,
you know, I thought like game would set my whole
mind in both of guys. And you know that day
two games when they beat Georgetown, well again the world knows.
John Thompson was one of my best friends, and I
did to Patrick Elli and three other players on Georgetown
(26:13):
played my Death and Down Roundball Classic, and I and
uh at that time John and three turns all that
on Roy Matano when it ends, so when it couldn't
make the shot, Chris, I didn't give a damn about
Michael Jordan's I didn't care about Dean Smith. I didn't
care about you know, Congress shoes on Defenis teams. I
(26:33):
really and I didn't really think about Michael Jordan's soil.
I met Antonio Ramas, but what I remembered was in
that scene where Matt shows that the film or that
shot that's psychologically and I've been told by experts what
would drifted into my mind. I never, like I said,
I didn't care about Michael and who I met him.
So but to go to your question when we got
(26:55):
it Roland, when you saw the last scene where uh,
you know, Delays comes in and James bec and christ
and David Falkons, then we're all there, and they didn't
show that in the last dance, because I just want
to point on your thing. They sort of eliminated me
in the last dance. You know the thing you cobab
may not know what I'm asking about it. But I
was there obviously, and I was the only person. There
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were five particular meetings with Jordan's. The first one Strasser,
the second one when I met Michael, The third one
we met David Fault. The fourth one only had a
major major meeting at the at the Olympic Games were
in eighty four, you know, at in Los Angeles. We
had a major meeting with Zille Knight and somebody that
(27:36):
I'm not going to discuss right now who really really
helped me put this over. And the fifth one, so
I was the only guy there. But I can tell
you this when this is Jordan, when I will make
that statement basically made the same statement, the last statement
you're all going to remember for the rest of your lives.
When Peter pushed the shoe in front of her and
(27:58):
she said, it's just a shoe until my son put
in it.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
That was Hollywood you right, okay there, Yeah, that's a
great line, right there, No, it is.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
It's one of the best lines. It's one of those
all kids, like you know, of all the gin, of
all the gin joints, and all the times and all
the time in the world, you're going to come into mind,
like you know, kind of complain, right, there's always a
lining guy. It's a belief that you don't forget right, no,
And so so I hope I didn't, you know, drift
too far?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's good.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
And the other thing I was going to say, now
help me real quick, was was did Magic turn down
to deal with Nike and a piece of the company?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
And I mean, yeah, that was a story. There were
a couple other acts. Was in that movie Winning time?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Right?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Did Magic turn down ten million dollars or something? Or people?
Speaker 6 (28:47):
Let me let me say this to a learned audience,
because the people listening to you tonight, are learned. First
of all, the thing on the Lakers was one of
the most successful things that The only problem with that
it was half fact and half fiction. Okay, they just
give me a thing because I love Magic Johnson and
I'm sure he and his madulations. But gentlemen, people to
listen to this program. In nineteen seventy nine, Nike, we
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didn't have we want signing pro guys, and we had
a couple guys, but they were, you know, getting thirty
five fifty thousand dollars. No one marketed anybody in nineteen magically,
you know Larry, you know, doctor j I mean, all
these guys, nineteen seventy nine, we wouldn't have had enough money.
And I don't think they sold Nike's stock until eighty one.
(29:31):
So I think that was something that you go along
in life and you think might have happened. I'm not,
you know, I'm sure Magic believed that. I'm sure because
I knew Maggie Johnson. He had just come out of school.
He went to his freshman year. They win the national championship.
Nobody gave it them, and we all know, and your
audience knows. In nineteen seventy nine. They were the NBA
(29:53):
Finals run take.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
The lay right right.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
So I would say they didn't have the money to
offer for it. Maybe Mike or Magic and his people
might have thought that, but they wouldn't even have thought
about Michael Jordan. Didn't even hear about him until nineteen
eighty four, I mean, and he was honest about it
that day he met me. I never never wore a
ninety shoe that was eighty four, so I'm saying it
could have happened, but I died very much that it
(30:19):
did happen.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
What do you why do you think no other player,
I mean Lebron, A lot of guys now have signature shoes,
but no one, not even close being able to come
even a fraction of what the Jordans have become.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Is it just because he was so good? Or what
do you think it was?
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Because everybody has to stop and breathe on this one,
and I'm going to try to explain it that makes
sense to your audience only because Jordan wasn't like the
greatest player in the world, because I don't believe that
you can do that and you do it in decades,
you know, whatever, period ought to goat, that goat thing.
But what Jordan did, because of what he was able
(30:58):
to do, playing created a shymbal, that air, that jumpman,
that shoe, of what he was able to do into
a whole new world. Chris that you want Shane, nobody
you want born yet. But there was nothing about marketing
and athlete in nineteen eighty four when we start, when
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Nike started putting Spike Lee and Memorial, you know, these
these ads were great, that added to the mystique of everything.
And then when we got to the point where we
dared David started to stop him, he became a symbol.
But the most important one ever done, what I'm told
is when he stood behind the gate or the fencer
(31:39):
and bounced the ball and said, you know they won't
let the NBA won't let me wear the shoe of
the U pen. Then Spike Lee he got a glim
But basically, what Michael Jordan did for your audience and Sonny,
he broke a barrier that there was no human being
if there would have been another reincarnation of Michael and
all those kids do Kobe, Tracy, but Braun, all those guys,
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you know, Grant Hill, they all had that shoes well
has it even had a shoe Chris in the seventies,
but it never made it. But what made it was Air.
Air Jordans that will live forever, and what made it Chris.
He broke the barrier of blacks and whites and minorities
earning money. And he did a better thing than just
(32:21):
blocking a barrier. And the guy can be the fifth
man on the team instead of two or three. He
broke the barrier that the player could be a part
of the organization. That's what Air Jordan did. That's why
Michael Jordan can never be duplicated. That's why he'll live forever.
Michael will be gone some day, as we all will,
and ten generations down the line, they'll be kiss buying Air.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Jordan's right, Sonny Vcarl Sonny great, thank you, thank you
for the insight.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
And again, everybody go out there check out the movie Air.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
It's fantastic. And Sonny, congratulations. Man, that is awesome to
be you know, a movie like this, and we know
you put in a ton of work, whether it was
shoes or basketball tournaments. You know, we talk to high
school players. I mean, you've you've done great things for
this game. And you deserve it, man, So congratulations.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
That's why, Sonny. It's like the ball.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
I say, one of these days we're going to overturn
the instant away complete with name rage like this someday
when that's all career on the playoffs over, let's maybe talk.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Again, all right, let's definitely man, all right, Sonny, thank you.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
All right, God blessed, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
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studios and Rob the Chicago Bulls go down one two
(34:29):
ninety one to the Miami Heat. A strong running out
to the game. Yeah by the Heat. But Jimmy Butler,
great game. That call him playoff Jimmy, and he showed
why tonight thirty one points.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Rob his nine of ten.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Free throws, two steals, five rebounds as well, and Max
Struce uh chipped in and I I did not criticize
Max Strus on first things first, but I pointed out
that he one of several undrafted players that either starts
(35:05):
or is in the rotation for the Miami Heat. And
I've said they need, they need an upgrade of talent,
and so props to Max Strews for stepping up tonight
and delivering with a huge game in a must win situation.
Max Streus matches Jimmy Butler with thirty one points.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
It's too bad.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Rob that that will not be recorded anymore. I don't
understand that. I think they gotta make them playoffs.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Let's get how how could it not be It's for
the playoffs, It's a playoff game.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
It doesn't even make sense that I'm serious. Its ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Now that matches a season high. So congratulations as to
Max Strews.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
But you're right, how do you not put it anywhere?
It doesn't make that difficult. No, I don't even understand.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
It's like like the playoffs, even when Baseball added one
game and what like.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Those stats count. Right, you're not in yet, Chris, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Like, you know, you gotta you play that one game
to get in to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
But that's a playoff game, right right, right?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
No, it's bizarre. But the Heat they here's their reward. Rob,
they get the Milwaukee Bucks in the first round.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Right now, some people might be like.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Hey, they beat the Bucks what for to one in
the bubble. That was a long time ago, y'all. And
the next year the Bucks came back and I think
they swept them or beat them in five at the most.
So I look, Milwaukee, I think is gonna take out
the Heat. I will say rob the Heat though, even
(36:39):
though they're not like a great team, they're they're they're
a bothersome team, you know, like they're not the type
of team you really want to play because you know,
they play hard, they're scrappy, they're well coached. They might
get physical at least Jimmy Butler, will you know, it's
just like, man, it's the first round, you know, Atlanta,
(37:01):
even though Atlanta beat Miami. I'd much rather face Atlanta
because they're just not as scrappy as as the Heat.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
But we'll see. When will you give them much of
a chance against Millwalker? Oh no, yeah, and we should
say that the.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
That the Tampa Bay Rays, Chris, it's all over.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
They didn't break the record. Oh really, the records twenty though, right,
I didn't think they was gonna bring well well, I
thought fourteen will get them the best start. What is it?
I thought fourteen was a big number.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
I thought there was something about twenty.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
But it I just want to know why Rob Parker
shaming a team that started off the season like twelve
and oh yeah, thirteeen.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I knew they were fraud get the thirteenth his baseball.
They could do, they could be fifteen and ten. They lost,
you know, within a few weeks. Yes, I mean really
like it's just who knows in baseball. But I enjoyed it.
I enjoining more than the fans of Tampa.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Bessie, all right, we have you attended as many games
too as they did.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Thank you.
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(01:00):
inspiration for the movie air about how Nike got Michael
Air Jordan to be one of their clients or one
of their endorsers.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
And Rob, I saw it. I told you it was
a good movie.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You should definitely go check it out, especially with you
being into Jordan's the way you are. But I just
think for me, I mean, I'm into Jordan's too, but
just it was a good movie.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Number One. My wife liked it.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
She's not into the sneakers, and I being into the
sneakers and just seeing what they've.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Begun behind the scene story, there's no way they could
have ever imagined that being what it's been. I don't
care what anybody says, like, you know, the greatest plans,
like people talk about Chris even to say the success
of McDonald's, right, oh, it's a great idea.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Whatever that it was.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
It was a suburban Chicago hamburger place owned by the
McDonald's brothers that they didn't make up some name Chris
that was gonna be a there's nothing to it. It
was a hamburger place owned by the McDonald's brothers, and
somebody bought it and decided to make it a franchise
and it turned into that. But I think the same thing.
(02:12):
Let's make a signature sneaker after Michael Jordan and uh,
righty was the hottest player in sports at the time.
I get all that, and then boom because those sneakers.
I tried them, Chris the first time around, right, I
didn't like them, the one like the look. They weren't comfortable.
The ones.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I didn't have them when they first came out. They
weren't comfortable. But I wore a lot of Nikes. I played,
you know, college and well at that time. I was
in high school when he first got in the league,
and I played in Nikes and they were fine.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I was, they were comfortable mine. I don't know what
they are Jeordan, I like him now.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I mean the ones I have, the Travis Scott ones,
Chris low tops.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I love those. No, they're very rock.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
That's interesting because obviously Adidas and Converts were.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Going after him, and they.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Weren't gonna give him. They weren't giving anybody their own
signature shoe like Magic Bird and Doctor j R. Wore Converse,
but they basically wore the same kind, the same ones, right,
they just it wasn't their uniforms.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
What do you think, Like obviously.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Jordan, him being as great as he was, had nothing
to do with the shoes he wore. But I do
think that the shoes becoming so iconic.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I do think that has enhanced his legacy.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Now, so let me ask you if he had gone
with say Adidas, and just wore the Adidas like everybody else,
and you know it didn't have this iconic sneaker.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Do you think his legacy would be any different?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Obviously he still would have been as great as a
basket ball player, but the sneakers are way beyond basketball.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
No, I agree, I think it. I think it transcends
because now people didn't even watch him play value those sneakers.
And you know Jordan's there were other great players who
put their names on sneakers. They weren't good Chris, they
weren't Patrick Ewan's at all affordable sneakers terrible, terrible, like he.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Wore had his own.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Well, he didn't have a signature of these. We had
some Adidas, but you know what I mean, yeah, yeah,
you ain't. He had sneakers. Shack had some sneakers. You
could buy a Target or something. You remember that Shack had.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Tonics right there.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
If Grant Hill had Fela had a Feel Deal and Stackhouse, yeah,
I mean they have Center even ivers and had the rebox.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And and and they and and they didn't do anything.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
None of them have come close to not even even
Lebron James as popular as he is, Okay, and I
know he's uh, he can rub some people the wrong way,
but he's still whildy popular and thought okay even then,
and even his sneaker Chris just.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
It never caught on. I'm not saying as terrible. I
had a pair, a couple pair tried.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I've had several.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Player and I've tried them, but they just they still
have not caught on like that. I mean, nothing has
nothing has Rob try.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
You know, they wish they could get another one. Chris.
I don't know. I don't know if it's obviously.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I think a big part of it is his game
was so and I actually think this, look, I think
he's the goat. You think he's the goat. I think
he's the goat based on his merits of just what
he did. But I do also think Rob part of it,
part of the appeal of Jordans to people is also
(05:51):
just that his game was so beautiful. I mean, and
his game was so much more graceful than Lebron's this
and I think that might be a part of it too.
I was talking to my wife about this and I said,
Jordan was kind of like a Michael Jackson, Like a
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lot of people could do the same moves as Michael Jackson.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
No, I got it, but.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
They not gonna look at it like they look better
when Jack Michael Jackson did them. And that's Jordan, right.
He just the way he moved was very graceful. I
think it was the most graceful that we've seen in
the league. And I think that's part of the appeal
to him too.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah, there was a lot of stuff going on at
that point, but he was so different. And I Chris,
you know, and I've told you a million times. I mean,
I was covering the NBA during that I was in Richfield, Ohio.
I saw the shot over Craig Elow. I was there
at court side. And I was there at Chicago. I
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don't know if you remember this, when they were playing
Cleveland in that series game before that famous Game five
in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Chris, Yep, yep.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Michael Jordan have lost Game four in Chicago. I was
there for that. I was covering the series and Michael
Jordan missed a free throw late in that game which
allowed the Cavs to win that game.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
You know, nobody talks about that. I'm telling you, but
I remember. I still didn't say that. I still remember that.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I'm just saying, you know what I'm talking about, Like
he late in the game, he missed a big free
throw and that allowed the Cavaliers to win that game,
and then of course he wanted to You know, of
course it's secondary because he made the big shot to
win the series.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
So people don't remember that.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And I do say that is one of the like
Michael Jordan and all the athletes at that time. That's
what we mean, Rob when we say they weren't under
the scrutiny that today's players are. And I think Lebron
James is the most scrutinized athlete ever.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
In American history.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Because every single day you see it, Rob, every single day,
every possession he has is scrutinized and made bigger than
it it really even maybe it might just be a
regular season game on a Thursday night in Sacramento in
(08:32):
January that means nothing, and Lebron passed up a game
winning shot opportunity, or Lebron missed the game winner, potential
game winner, and it's the end of the world. The
next day, every show's talking about it. Every show's talking
about does he have the clutch?
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Game?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Oh, I saw he don't have the clutch, Rob.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I didn't even remember what you just said about Michael
Jordan air to mean, I don't think Jordan was better,
but that Jordan magic. All these guys benefitted from that
compared to today's era.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
And I often say that when people talked about Lebron.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Passing up the last shots, you know, and I don't
like he didn't always do that, but you know, to
pass the Craig to uh Kyle korv or whatever in
the finals. I'm like, hold, no, let's be fair. Michael
Jordan passed off at times. He passed off to Craig
Elo he I mean John Paxton, he passed off to
(09:38):
Steve Kirk in the finals.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
No less, I'm gonna tell you they made the shots.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I'm gonna tell you one thing that always in watching
the documentary Last Dance, yep, it does. It feels a
little different. And I'm not You're right, he didn't pass
to other people. But if you watch that video Chris
and that, and he tells Steve like it ain't like
I don't want the shot or I'm scared to take,
(10:04):
you know what I mean, Like he's.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Like, they gonna double me right, like and I would
go to you, right.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
But here's but I'm just saying like, I don't think
people feel like Mike was passing the Steve Kirk because
he don't want to take the shot. And I think
that they definitely don't feel that way, and I think
that's the that's the difference.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
But why do they feel that way about Lebron? We've
seen him take last second, I know.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
But but but I'm just saying that that's how what
fair or not?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
That's what people know right right with it.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That's yes, that's the perception. I don't agree with that,
but I mean, I don't feel.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
That way, but yes, that you don't want it of
many And that's my point.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
If Lebron, let's say, in this series with Memphis, if
they got a situation like that and Lebron on the
bench looks at Austin Reeves and says, look, they gonna
double me and be.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Ready, I'm ana pass it to you.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
If that came out and the same thing that happened
Reeves is the shot, there would be those in the
media among the basis that would say Lebron.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Didn't once see now that's different, you don't think so.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I just think I think because the problem is and
maybe this is the other part that Lebron is working
against Lebron. When Lebron is giving up the ball, those
guys haven't always made this shot like that, Len, No,
But I'm just saying, so when you lose or something happened,
you go, yeah, you gave up the ball of the
(11:30):
George Hill. You know, you gave up the ball to
uh Cal Korver with the lead and Draymond in front
of you and foul trouble. I'm just saying, because you
don't win those.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Games, right because right, because nobody killed Lebron after he
kicked the.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Distrut exactly, just exactly. That's and I hear what I'm
saying like that, right, but rob those.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
If we are smart, we are smart enough to know
that you can't really blame Lebron for that. If you
want to say he should have taken it's just I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I mean, you can't.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Jordan didn't make Steve Kurr make the shot. He didn't
make John Paxson hit the shot. It's Steve curR and
John Paxson. Are they better than you know, shrewder And
and uh Kyle Korver and Korver and curR are very
comparable type players, same with Paxton Paxon.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
So I hear you.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I mean, you're not saying anything that a lot of
people do feel that way. But I do think that
you you brought up a great example of, you know,
just the difference in perceptions.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Do you remember so, I guess your first pair of
Jordan's were the uh the the uh.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yeah, I'm trying to remember. I think I had a
and not.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I just know I tried him on, Chris. Oh you
didn't buy him? Yeah, they were uncomfortable. I tried him.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I did, and I they didn't feel Now you know what,
I think I did buy them, but I didn't keep
them because I had.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
A pair of ones.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I thought they were hard, remember the black and red
ones the like? Yeah, yeah, those were the original ones,
and I don't think I think I bought them but
didn't feel good about them, so I didn't wear them,
and then eventually got rid of them.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
And then it wasn't until later on when he went
after they got past those and they made the threes
and the fives and those and that's those are the
ones that took off starting.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, I thought the two's, which I really like. Now
I actually got a pair of and a couple pairs
of twos. When I first saw them, I thought they
were the ugly sneaker I'd ever seen. I was like,
what the heck is that they had the iguana skin.
They didn't have a logo like a Nike sign or
(13:50):
It's swoosh or anything.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
It was. I was just like, what in the world
is that?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
And you know, they grew on people and they they
I like him now.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I think they're among the hottest ones.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
All right.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Were just talking Michael Jordan and some Air George. We
didn't mean to, but we ended up going there. So
if you want to call up with some of your
memories about Air Jordan's sneakers or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
How many guys do you have, you know, are you
are you a sneaker head Jordan's and your collection?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You know, just talk Rob. I was in church Sunday
Easter Sunday, and the pastor it was about forty ish,
maybe a little older, and he had on Jordans I
don't know if he was wearing he was wearing some
fresh snigger.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
He admitted he said, look, I'm a sneaker head.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And he said when the Jordan Elevins came out.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
He went to ran to the store.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Those are the you know, the concords with the patent
leathern He ran to the store and.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Wanted to buy a pair.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
His first day. They out they had one pair left.
He wore size ten and a half. The only pair
left they had was a nine.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
And he bought him. He said, he bought him. That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
He warmed the school the next day just so everybody
would talk about how fly he was. And he got
the new Jordan's and his feet they were killing his feet.
He said he had to take him off between class,
between classes and put him back on.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
He said, he walked home in his socks.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Right, I believe a size and a half Chris size.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I don't even know how he got his foot in there.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
Rout.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I mean, my goodness. But all right, your turn to.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
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He says he has forty pair of Chris and counting crazy.
All right, cheeze in South Carolina, you're on the odd
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Speaker 3 (17:09):
What's up?
Speaker 6 (17:10):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
What's up you guys?
Speaker 6 (17:11):
How you doing CB?
Speaker 9 (17:12):
What's up?
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Rock gun man?
Speaker 9 (17:15):
Man?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I love this topic.
Speaker 10 (17:16):
That's y'all on man, This topic is beautiful.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
I've been waiting for y'all this. Now, y'all got a
topic that's up my alley.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
How many pairs you got?
Speaker 10 (17:24):
I got about about twenty five?
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Wow?
Speaker 11 (17:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 10 (17:28):
My collection is a mixed though. I got like Kobe's,
I got Jordan's, and I got a whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Hey, but what's your favorite Georgie?
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
What's your ones?
Speaker 9 (17:37):
I like, I like, I like the elevens, and I
love the sevens eleven Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I'm
not but uh, let me ask you guys a question though.
Speaker 10 (17:48):
If you guys had to make a collab with Jordan's,
whether it be the Bussar Ones or the Parker threes
or any any any Jordan model.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
What would it be.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
You mean, oh, oh yeah, Well, my favorites are the
I would say the fours. I mean, I like, I
love the fours, the threes, the elevens the best.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
It's funny, and I would go with the fours. My
favorite pairs now are the ones low top, the Travis
Scott's ones.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Those are the ones.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Yes, those are Those are great walking around sneakers because
you're not playing ball in them, but they're you know
what I mean, right, they're they're sporty and whatnot. All right,
let's go to truck o'dn Real Quick in Boston. You're
the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
There you go. What's up?
Speaker 11 (18:38):
Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. You guys are awesome.
Good show tonight.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 11 (18:44):
I'm still still waiting on you guys to get your
daytime show because, boy, I tell you, the knowledge that
you guys put out there is just too much.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Well just a matter of time. We need some people
to retire and then we'll move off.
Speaker 11 (18:56):
I'm just saying, oh, you guys gotta remind k D
that the NBA, because your your show last night, that
the NBA would of the eighties would knock him all
over the place.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I mean, look, he showed he struggled against the physicality
of the Celtics last year and that was adhered to
what they did in the eighties and nineties or the nineties.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
That's right.
Speaker 11 (19:22):
And he makes the eighties Larry Bird look like Charles Barkley,
you know, in comparison, and Bird couldn't stand.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Up to that.
Speaker 11 (19:30):
You know, all the rigors, so KD wouldn't never prayer.
But anyway, Yeah, great show. I loved the question about
did the Air Jordan's make Jordan's mystique bigger? And I'd
say no, I'd say Michael Jordan made Air Jordan's bigger.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I agree with hest he did make the shoe.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
But if they had never made a signature shoe like
Adida say, it.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Would have been interesting. A good call down. We we
got Sonny Vacar around the corner.
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Speaker 1 (20:12):
Our next guest is a legend former sports marketing executive.
The inspiration for the movie Air which tells the story
of how Michael Jordan's signed with Nike as a rookie
or going into his rookie year.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
We welcome in the Great Sunny vacarl Sonny.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
How are you well, I'm good talking to Chris. You
and I have touch base a few times across two years. Yeah,
so I'm looking forward to this. Rob. I know we
probably touched base, but I'm ready to go. Looking forward
to it.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Awesome on a we got extra too many?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, unfortunately we got about ten minutes ten minutes to
cramp in there?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Did you act me?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
We could do a whole lifetime at tute.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Oh yeah, absolutely. The movie.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I went to see it last weekend with my wife.
I thought it was terrific. What was it like for
you to watch this movie and to be played by
Matt Damon. He's not as handsome as you, but they
got They did the best they could with Matt Damon.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
Well, let me say this, when we are all children
at one time, okay, we all looked at that movie
screen up there, and we pretended we are that person
up there where it was some girl we're telling in
love with because of the looks, where some guy was
a hunk of a guy, or he wanted the shooting contest,
whatever it was. We had images of the screen that
surpassed our lifetime. I mean we grew older. So watching
(21:37):
the movie once this done, I was reheard and all
this stuff. I sort of knew it was coming, but
until the day I saw it for the first time,
before it was screened, I lived in a fantasy world
because obviously the cast is one of the greatest casts
ever put together. It really is. Yeah, a nine you know, guys,
this only had nine or ten people in the whole movie.
(21:59):
I mean they can folder that I, you know, sixty minutes.
I think by speakers, by you know, intuitively saying things
that came to their mind when they were speaking. So, Chris,
I'm overwhelmed. And it'll It'll live in my mind forever,
and the value of a movie it does live forever, Chris,
And I'm very pleased with what it turned out to be.
(22:20):
The Messi's given was a little bit of Hollywood. It was.
It was a movie, not a documentary that I can say,
you're it was good faith and say it was very
very accurate as to what their presence was in this movie.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, because that was
gonna be my question. You know that Hollywood takes a
license to a lot of things, and they embellish it
to make it, you know, more dramatic and whatnot because
they just can't be mundane and you just give the facts,
as you said, not a documentary. So it wasn't that
wildly uh worked over to make it more dramatic than it.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Really was.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
A couple of scenes. I mean, just to go right
to a point here that a lot of the guys
asked me, is I love to speak, Chris, and I
rather I apologize to you what I've known a long time.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
But it's all good.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
It's all good, okay. But and I I love to
speak when a Pam and I walked away from the world,
and you know in two thousand and seven, is that
we're going to create, you know, to do the restaurant life,
fighting for the for the kids and all that. I'd
go to the university and I made these speakers every camp,
every did every All Star game. I always had to
speak for the kids. But I got to tell you,
(23:30):
you know, Matt Damon and the writer Alex Conblays, I
said some of the things they said there. But but
I just want to be honest to God here, guys,
I couldn't have done the State of the Union like
like Matt did for me at the end of that
movie right right, he made he made Sonny look good,
and I appreciate that. So that's what I'm saying that.
But the intent of all the things, and I don't
(23:52):
know where well you got are going to take me
with this, but it was there and most of the
scenes they happened, maybe not the location they were presented
to do, but the characters were displayed and you know,
and put on the comfort by by saying meaningful things,
and you know, the Jordan's family. Obviously, my relationship with
(24:13):
the Jordan's family became much greater after the signing. And
I know I went through the Jefic James. I stayed
friends with Dolores and the rest of the family for
here until today. I mean, it was still friendly. Although
I don't got up the Nike cod anymore. So go
ahead and asking another question. That's what I just wanted
to say.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
That Sonny in the movie they said, and I remember
Jordan wearing converts at North Carolina and they said he
was huge Adidas guy. As soon as he was off
the court, he's putting on Adidas. What at the end
of the day, what was it that got him to Nike?
Was it just that you guys paid him more? Because
(24:50):
I don't and correct me if I'm wrong. When he
entered the league, he was rare regular Nikes at first, Right, Like,
when did the Jordan one? Was that midway through his
rookie year or his second year? When did that come out?
Speaker 6 (25:04):
It really was at the end of the second year.
The prototypes that Peter Moore put together were starting to
work on him.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
And then honestly, the second year is when we sold
one hundred and thirty. I mean, the first year went
off the wallnut. But the second year, when you were
able to put air Jordan in, there were just air
when you were able to put the brilliance of the kid. Remember,
so he missed fifty some games ki year, Yes, I
mean you know, so.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Second year I can give.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Sixty three after somebody, you know, out of Boston, I
think it might have been. Yeah, but Michael Michael was
sold because what we said when I said that first scene,
you know, Tony Ramos with him basically was given me.
You know I would give them the power to do that.
By Phil Knights The bottom line, no question by Rob
Strausser at the meeting, when I picked the kid as
(25:50):
a poach to the other guy who wanted to take
two or three people, so I went to one with
the inside connection. Just for your audience notes, you know,
you know, I thought like game would set my whole
mind in both of guys. And you know that day
two games when they beat Georgetown, well again the world knows.
John Thompson was one of my best friends, and I
did to Patrick Elli and three other players on Georgetown
(26:13):
played my Death and Down Roundball Classic, and I and
uh at that time John and three turns all that
on Roy Matano when it ends, so when it couldn't
make the shot, Chris, I didn't give a damn about
Michael Jordan's I didn't care about Dean Smith. I didn't
care about you know, Congress shoes on Defenis teams. I
(26:33):
really and I didn't really think about Michael Jordan's soil.
I met Antonio Ramas, but what I remembered was in
that scene where Matt shows that the film or that
shot that's psychologically and I've been told by experts what
would drifted into my mind. I never, like I said,
I didn't care about Michael and who I met him.
So but to go to your question when we got
(26:55):
it Roland, when you saw the last scene where uh,
you know, Delays comes in and James bec and christ
and David Falkons, then we're all there, and they didn't
show that in the last dance, because I just want
to point on your thing. They sort of eliminated me
in the last dance. You know the thing you cobab
may not know what I'm asking about it. But I
was there obviously, and I was the only person. There
(27:16):
were five particular meetings with Jordan's. The first one Strasser,
the second one when I met Michael, The third one
we met David Fault. The fourth one only had a
major major meeting at the at the Olympic Games were
in eighty four, you know, at in Los Angeles. We
had a major meeting with Zille Knight and somebody that
(27:36):
I'm not going to discuss right now who really really
helped me put this over. And the fifth one, so
I was the only guy there. But I can tell
you this when this is Jordan, when I will make
that statement basically made the same statement, the last statement
you're all going to remember for the rest of your lives.
When Peter pushed the shoe in front of her and
(27:58):
she said, it's just a shoe until my son put
in it.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
That was Hollywood you right, okay there, Yeah, that's a
great line, right there, No, it is.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
It's one of the best lines. It's one of those
all kids, like you know, of all the gin, of
all the gin joints, and all the times and all
the time in the world, you're going to come into mind,
like you know, kind of complain, right, there's always a
lining guy. It's a belief that you don't forget right, no,
And so so I hope I didn't, you know, drift
too far?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's good.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
And the other thing I was going to say, now
help me real quick, was was did Magic turn down
to deal with Nike and a piece of the company?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
And I mean, yeah, that was a story. There were
a couple other acts. Was in that movie Winning time?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Right?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Did Magic turn down ten million dollars or something? Or people?
Speaker 6 (28:47):
Let me let me say this to a learned audience,
because the people listening to you tonight, are learned. First
of all, the thing on the Lakers was one of
the most successful things that The only problem with that
it was half fact and half fiction. Okay, they just
give me a thing because I love Magic Johnson and
I'm sure he and his madulations. But gentlemen, people to
listen to this program. In nineteen seventy nine, Nike, we
(29:10):
didn't have we want signing pro guys, and we had
a couple guys, but they were, you know, getting thirty
five fifty thousand dollars. No one marketed anybody in nineteen magically,
you know Larry, you know, doctor j I mean, all
these guys, nineteen seventy nine, we wouldn't have had enough money.
And I don't think they sold Nike's stock until eighty one.
(29:31):
So I think that was something that you go along
in life and you think might have happened. I'm not,
you know, I'm sure Magic believed that. I'm sure because
I knew Maggie Johnson. He had just come out of school.
He went to his freshman year. They win the national championship.
Nobody gave it them, and we all know, and your
audience knows. In nineteen seventy nine. They were the NBA
(29:53):
Finals run take.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
The lay right right.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
So I would say they didn't have the money to
offer for it. Maybe Mike or Magic and his people
might have thought that, but they wouldn't even have thought
about Michael Jordan. Didn't even hear about him until nineteen
eighty four, I mean, and he was honest about it
that day he met me. I never never wore a
ninety shoe that was eighty four, so I'm saying it
could have happened, but I died very much that it
(30:19):
did happen.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
What do you why do you think no other player,
I mean Lebron, A lot of guys now have signature shoes,
but no one, not even close being able to come
even a fraction of what the Jordans have become.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Is it just because he was so good? Or what
do you think it was?
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Because everybody has to stop and breathe on this one,
and I'm going to try to explain it that makes
sense to your audience only because Jordan wasn't like the
greatest player in the world, because I don't believe that
you can do that and you do it in decades,
you know, whatever, period ought to goat, that goat thing.
But what Jordan did, because of what he was able
(30:58):
to do, playing created a shymbal, that air, that jumpman,
that shoe, of what he was able to do into
a whole new world. Chris that you want Shane, nobody
you want born yet. But there was nothing about marketing
and athlete in nineteen eighty four when we start, when
(31:18):
Nike started putting Spike Lee and Memorial, you know, these
these ads were great, that added to the mystique of everything.
And then when we got to the point where we
dared David started to stop him, he became a symbol.
But the most important one ever done, what I'm told
is when he stood behind the gate or the fencer
(31:39):
and bounced the ball and said, you know they won't
let the NBA won't let me wear the shoe of
the U pen. Then Spike Lee he got a glim
But basically, what Michael Jordan did for your audience and Sonny,
he broke a barrier that there was no human being
if there would have been another reincarnation of Michael and
all those kids do Kobe, Tracy, but Braun, all those guys,
(32:00):
you know, Grant Hill, they all had that shoes well
has it even had a shoe Chris in the seventies,
but it never made it. But what made it was Air.
Air Jordans that will live forever, and what made it Chris.
He broke the barrier of blacks and whites and minorities
earning money. And he did a better thing than just
(32:21):
blocking a barrier. And the guy can be the fifth
man on the team instead of two or three. He
broke the barrier that the player could be a part
of the organization. That's what Air Jordan did. That's why
Michael Jordan can never be duplicated. That's why he'll live forever.
Michael will be gone some day, as we all will,
and ten generations down the line, they'll be kiss buying Air.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Jordan's right, Sonny Vcarl Sonny great, thank you, thank you
for the insight.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
And again, everybody go out there check out the movie Air.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
It's fantastic. And Sonny, congratulations. Man, that is awesome to
be you know, a movie like this, and we know
you put in a ton of work, whether it was
shoes or basketball tournaments. You know, we talk to high
school players. I mean, you've you've done great things for
this game. And you deserve it, man, So congratulations.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
That's why, Sonny. It's like the ball.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
I say, one of these days we're going to overturn
the instant away complete with name rage like this someday
when that's all career on the playoffs over, let's maybe talk.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Again, all right, let's definitely man, all right, Sonny, thank you.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
All right, God blessed, Thank you so much.
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studios and Rob the Chicago Bulls go down one two
(34:29):
ninety one to the Miami Heat. A strong running out
to the game. Yeah by the Heat. But Jimmy Butler,
great game. That call him playoff Jimmy, and he showed
why tonight thirty one points.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Rob his nine of ten.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Free throws, two steals, five rebounds as well, and Max
Struce uh chipped in and I I did not criticize
Max Strus on first things first, but I pointed out
that he one of several undrafted players that either starts
(35:05):
or is in the rotation for the Miami Heat. And
I've said they need, they need an upgrade of talent,
and so props to Max Strews for stepping up tonight
and delivering with a huge game in a must win situation.
Max Streus matches Jimmy Butler with thirty one points.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
It's too bad.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Rob that that will not be recorded anymore. I don't
understand that. I think they gotta make them playoffs.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Let's get how how could it not be It's for
the playoffs, It's a playoff game.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
It doesn't even make sense that I'm serious. Its ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Now that matches a season high. So congratulations as to
Max Strews.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
But you're right, how do you not put it anywhere?
It doesn't make that difficult. No, I don't even understand.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
It's like like the playoffs, even when Baseball added one
game and what like.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Those stats count. Right, you're not in yet, Chris, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Like, you know, you gotta you play that one game
to get in to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
But that's a playoff game, right right, right?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
No, it's bizarre. But the Heat they here's their reward. Rob,
they get the Milwaukee Bucks in the first round.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Right now, some people might be like.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Hey, they beat the Bucks what for to one in
the bubble. That was a long time ago, y'all. And
the next year the Bucks came back and I think
they swept them or beat them in five at the most.
So I look, Milwaukee, I think is gonna take out
the Heat. I will say rob the Heat though, even
(36:39):
though they're not like a great team, they're they're they're
a bothersome team, you know, like they're not the type
of team you really want to play because you know,
they play hard, they're scrappy, they're well coached. They might
get physical at least Jimmy Butler, will you know, it's
just like, man, it's the first round, you know, Atlanta,
(37:01):
even though Atlanta beat Miami. I'd much rather face Atlanta
because they're just not as scrappy as as the Heat.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
But we'll see. When will you give them much of
a chance against Millwalker? Oh no, yeah, and we should
say that the.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
That the Tampa Bay Rays, Chris, it's all over.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
They didn't break the record. Oh really, the records twenty though, right,
I didn't think they was gonna bring well well, I
thought fourteen will get them the best start. What is it?
I thought fourteen was a big number.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
I thought there was something about twenty.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
But it I just want to know why Rob Parker
shaming a team that started off the season like twelve
and oh yeah, thirteeen.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I knew they were fraud get the thirteenth his baseball.
They could do, they could be fifteen and ten. They lost,
you know, within a few weeks. Yes, I mean really
like it's just who knows in baseball. But I enjoyed it.
I enjoining more than the fans of Tampa.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Bessie, all right, we have you attended as many games
too as they did.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Thank you.
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